Is Someone Taking the Mik?

An Arteta appointment has the unambitious hand of Stan Kroenke all over it



Is Someone Taking the Mik?

Get ready for AKB v MOB?


In seven years of writing pieces for The Gooner calling for Wenger's exit, in a bid to understand the opposing view point, I'd often wondered if there was such a thing as a 'realpolitik' #WengerIn position. One that fully understood Wenger was on the decline, that knew there would be better candidates out there for the role, but one which ultimately knew deep down the incumbent Arsenal board would never make the right choice of successor. That maybe the 'be careful what you wish for' warnings were not quite what you took them to be on face value.

It's undoubted (in my mind at least) that after twenty-two years Arsenal FC needs a fresh direction, but have any of the candidates mooted so far been the 'Wexit' solution anybody actually envisaged? At the start of this calendar year, the like of Ancelotti, Allegri, Luis Enrique and Joachim Loew were first choice on most people's lips. The noises emanating through the press in recent days however seem to be centring on candidates much less experienced or successful such as Rui Faria, Patrick Vieira and particularly on a player who up until two years ago had been Arsenal's club captain and is now being reported by many sources as 90% certain to succeed Wenger - Mikel Arteta.

The current reaction on social media to the potential appointment of Arteta predominantly seems to centre around banal sentiments, such as 'giving 100% support' and 'getting behind the team' and 'give the man a chance', as if several Twitter accounts were competitively auditioning for a role of a crowd member in a 'Roy of the Rovers' comic. Unfortunately, for those of us born with a bit more of an inquisitive mind, there's more than a few questions that need to be raised before we welcome the idea of 'Arteta Knows Best':

Firstly, can anybody point out an instance in English post-war football where an incoming manager followed a reign that lasted in excess of fifteen relatively successful years and it actually turned out to be a success? The most recent example being David Moyes following Ferguson at Man United, which resulted in the former's solitary season ending in him taking a side that finished the season before as Champions and brought them a seventh place finish - lower than the supposedly smaller club (the one with nine titles and most seasons in top flight football than any other side) which he left for richer pickings. The ballad of David Moyes however is nothing compared to the two highest profile top flight relegations of the 1970s.

One of Fergie's predecessors - Matt Busby – after twenty-four years in charge and conquering Europe, saw a series of underwhelming successors in the shape of Wilf McGuinness (which could potentially be eerily similar to Mikel Arteta, even if the over bearing force on the board is Ivan or Stan rather than a former boss like Busby) and Frank O'Farrell, before relegation under Tommy Docherty in 1974. The other relegation example had been that of Spurs who after Bill Nicholson's exit faced the drop three seasons on under Keith Burkinshaw, via a two-year stint with Terry Neill at the helm.

The only example that springs to mind of a successful appointment in a situation similar to the one which Arsenal currently find themselves in is Bob Paisley following Bill Shankly at Liverpool in 1974. In this instance, Paisley was promoted from within and had been present within the coaching staff throughout his predecessor's successful reign. It's fair to say therefore that history is already pretty much against the Arsenal board when it comes to this appointment. You'd think therefore the last thing the board would consider is a manager without a proven track record of success, but that seems to be exactly what they're doing.

People have been quick to point out in defence that Arsenal have a track record of left field appointments that had served the club well in the past. People were after all asking 'Arsene Who?' twenty-two years ago. There is however one glaring hole in this argument. 'Arsene Who?' said more of the English game's insularity before 1996 than an actual comment on Arsene Wenger's standing at the time. Wenger's coaching experience actually goes back as far as 1981. He'd already had twelve years' experience of management before arriving at Highbury. This experience included a French League title in 1988, as well as managing big name players such as Mark Hateley, Glenn Hoddle, Manuel Amaros, Patrick Battison, George Weah, Jurgen Klinsmann, Dragan Stojkovic, Enzo Scifo, Lilian Thuram and Youri Djorkaeff.

Compare this to Mikel Arteta, whose had just two years as assistant to Pep Guardiola at Man City. This season he's assisted his boss in winning the Premiership at a canter, but just how instrumental was Arteta to this achievement? If he's that important at the Etihad, why would Pep and City be so agreeable to his leaving to manage a potential rival. And of course, what did Pep win in football before he teamed up with Mikel Arteta? – quite a bit from what I can recall. In Mikel Arteta, we might be signing up the next big thing in coaching. Equally, there's just as much evidence to suggest we're signing up Pep's 'coneman' to oversee an enormous job of getting London's biggest fish back into the Champions League fold (the club just simply cannot tolerate another finish outside of the Champions League for the sake of its own standing in the game).

There's also the matter that Mikel has been party to Arsenal's on pitch relative decline over the last decade or so and a Captain at a time when Arsenal self-evidently lacked on pitch leaders. Again, people would point to Arsenal's past and the night and day difference between George Graham the player and GG the boss. 'Stroller' had been the one player both Bertie Mee and Don Howe openly admitted they never would have considered as future management material - certainly not the 'Ayatollah' like disciplinarian which returned to the club in the mid to late 80s. Again, this point fails acknowledge that this was not a 'road to Damascus' like change for George Graham. The gap between GG's Highbury exit as a player and his returning as manager had been fourteen years, he'd started out in coaching around eight years prior and spent three seasons managing Millwall.

George took over a batch of players, none of whom (with the exception of Kenny Sansom at Crystal Palace nearly a decade prior) he ever had played alongside. In Arteta's instance, it's only two short years since he left Arsenal as a player. Practically every single player he'll be inheriting will be former team mates from a mostly underachieving set of players. The difference between coaching alongside Pep Guardiola with the best side that money can buy in world football is a world away from whipping into shape a squad that is more 'messy' than it is 'Messi'. It's true, Mikel Arteta might turn out to be a good manager. Like with George Graham however, I'd rather assess his merits after he's managed a club like Millwall, rather than let him loose on Arsenal, thanks all the same.

Personally, if it is Arteta who gets the job, I'd love him to prove me wrong and in future years this piece of writing be held up as an example of someone too quick to cast judgement. Unfortunately, basing an opinion solely on evidence, I've seen nothing to convince me this would be a remotely adequate appointment. To be frank, I see very little evidence (declining attendances aside) that this appointment would even be an improvement on sticking another season out with Wenger. And frankly, to believe that Stan Kroenke and Ivan Gazidis could appoint an inexperienced manager, replacing the most experienced manager in the Premiership, who then in the face historical precedent turns out to be a rip-roaring success - that would mean believing the pair were capable of genius-like football insight. Quite frankly, I've seen startlingly little evidence of that over the last few years.

What's said to have been influencing the club's thinking in choosing Wenger's successor comes from another example within the Kroenke Sports Enterprises stable. That of LA Rams Head coach Sean McVay, who at the age of just thirty became the youngest ever Head Coach in NFL history on his appointment in January 2017. In his first season he was named Coach of the year by the American Association of Pro Football Writers, as the Rams won their first Divisional title in over a decade and a half, to reach the play offs (effectively like reaching the knock out stage of the Champions League). Clearly, Kroenke is hoping to repeat the trick at Arsenal. There are however obvious differences between McVey's situation at the Rams and what Arteta would undertake should he come back to Arsenal.

I will openly admit to not being remotely knowledgeable about the Gridiron game, but the first point is obvious in that American Football is a game which despite the similarity of name is absolutely nothing like Association Football. The NFL is not akin to the Premiership in that with its salary caps, it does not have the competitive imbalances which the English game has. It doesn't have the draft system that the NFL has, which allows the rubbish teams from the season before to have first pick on the best 'rookie' players. American Football is also not a World game and importantly, has no promotion or relegation.

Most importantly of all however, the LA Rams' historical standing in the NFL is by no means akin to Arsenal's. In their entire history, the Rams have only played in three Superbowl Finals, winning it just the once back in 2000 (as well as two pre-Superbowl NFL Championships in 1945 and 1951). Arsenal in contrast, with their thirteen League titles and thirteen FA Cups, are the third most successful domestic club in English football history. McVay's recent success is relative to the fact that the Rams have been mostly underwhelming since Kroenke's introduction in 1995 (particularly over the last dozen years). Lest we forget, Kroenke Sports Enterprises generally has an underwhelming sporting record in pretty much every sports market it has tried its luck in. In the eleven years in which Kroenke has had an interest at Arsenal, the club's record of success contrasts sharply with the eleven years which proceeded them between 1996 and 2007.

Historically, Arsenal never go more than eighteen years without a title and from the thirties onward have picked one up in every decade with the exception of the 1960s. Arsenal have now gone fourteen years without a title win and should Wenger's successor not win the title in his first season, the 2010s will be a sixties revival on the title front. By its own admission however, sporting success is not the yardstick which Kroenke Sports Enterprises measures itself by. Why this is not good news for Arsenal fans is explained by the title of Chapter Three of Kuper and Szymanski 'Soccernomics' - 'Why Soccer Clubs Don't (and Shouldn't) Make Money'. Arsenal are specifically cited within the chapter in that the club: 'hasn't been a great Soccer club lately, but has been a good business. This is what a Soccer club run as a business looks like'.

When you view the possibility of Arteta being appointed as Arsenal boss through this prism, it doesn't look 'leftfield', or 'innovative', but has 'cynical' running through it like a stick of rock. His appeal is that he comes cheaper than an established candidate and makes less demands of the board (part of me is surprised Kroenke hasn't advertised the role to recently retired footballers as some sort of unpaid internship). And, of course, it leaves Arsenal fans with something of a continuing problem if the appointment goes ahead. Give Arteta our full backing, or mount a repeat of the campaign which removed his predecessor.

Frankly, it's about time the guns were turned on Kroenke and the Arsenal board rather than the team and whoever comes in as manager, because as long as their parasitic presence remains, being an Arsenal fan will continue to be a sporting existence akin to living with an incurable wasting disease. Obviously, an attendance boycott like the one seen last season is self-harming and you get the feeling that even if Kroenke's business plan fails at Arsenal, he'll probably end up asset stripping the club to seek the buck he's after from his involvement in English football. You get the feeling the answer probably lies in a co-ordinated boycott by Arsenal fans aimed at the business interests of Kroenke and the board outside of Arsenal FC.

In particular, Kroenke's wife's family business - Walmart - in which Stan's fortune is not wholly unlinked to could be a target (such a boycott might well expose who actually wears the trousers in Kroenke's household). If efforts were put into researching and targeting where the incumbent board members earn their wealth outside of Arsenal, it might just reap more effective results than ranting on YouTube or flying planes over football grounds to highlight an argument which anyone with a Twitter account clearly knew was going on already. Just a thought.

Robert Exley can be found on Twitter@robert_exley


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  1. Exeter Ex

    May 20, 2018, 11:47 #109838

    "They started it!" So behaving in the exact same way you condemn others for is okay, cos they did it first. No it's not, it's rank hypocrisy. Can you grasp that yet? A pathetic defence, an excuse to be insulting and divisive and antagonistic, as he likes to be.

  2. mbg

    May 19, 2018, 23:01 #109827

    markymark, so would I mate, i'd even offer to hoover out the office and chauffeur him back to the airport, and break the speed limits along the way, but he'd have to get used to sorting out his own baby wipe arrangements.

  3. markymark

    May 19, 2018, 17:48 #109819

    Baddie if you popped over to see Vera Lynn and you know, the magic worked. It could be the oldest coupling in the history of humankind . Happy 90th , much love

  4. markymark

    May 19, 2018, 15:31 #109816

    Baddie - you frequently insult MBG , Cornish , A Cornish , Exeter . You called Percy Racist . There have been others . Often there is no direct link between the OP’s comments and you . You decide to randomly attack with insults . Therefore by your criteria , you are a gutless coward . In truth though the reality is a sad lonely old man. Happy 90th much love

  5. Badarse

    May 19, 2018, 15:03 #109814

    Missed again Nark. Reactions not actions. Please do better.

  6. markymark

    May 19, 2018, 14:28 #109811

    Baddie - “anyone who willingly and purposely insults from a position of safety is the coward,” - makes you the biggest coward on the site then sunshine , you’re always insulting people . Happy 90th much love

  7. Badarse

    May 19, 2018, 14:11 #109810

    Afternoon Marky. I think you miss the point, buddy. A small mouse if cornered, or sees it's nearest and dearest under threat will fight like a tiger. It is genetically instinctive. We crossed lines again, well you crossed my line I think. Mine's the royal blue one called the Piccadilly Line...with Arsenal as it's prime feature on the map. Here is a tale, a friend, Bruce Wells the boxer, (look him up), was in the West End and wandered into the path of a cyclist, a courier. He had to brake and berated Bruce. Easy Bruce was old, wore specs and a collar and tie. He was in his face, next minute with two electrifying punches to the abdomen delivered the cyclist was on the deck. Bruce walked off. Interesting, isn't it? By the way I was 90 last Tuesday. Just to emphasise the cowardice aspect, anyone who willingly and purposely insults from a position of safety is the coward, the person who reacts is not the coward. Don't you find these little guides in life helpful? You don't really show much of an improvement in your grasp of understanding but your used to the long haul aren't you? Well you waited 22 years to get AW out, and then someone did it for you. TOOAW yes it is time to move on and we shall, of course as we glance over our shoulders at some hurling rocks at us it is OK now and again to toss an egg and cress roll at them. Well it's only Rock and Roll, but I like it.

  8. markymark

    May 19, 2018, 9:26 #109801

    Baddie - excellent that you bleed Arsenal. I understand that in your 80’s you wanted to fight with Colesey on the terraces ( your no coward! ) . So considering what a mighty Arsenal warrior you are. When did you last go the Emirates ? When do you next plan to go ? There’s a rumour that you haven’t been in f’ing years but I’m sure that’s not true.

  9. markymark

    May 19, 2018, 9:00 #109800

    Baddie and ToOaW - just a little suggestion, you haven’t moved on if you keep on referring to WOR. It’s becoming irrelevant . Anyway ToOaW you’re being the better man to say move on. Fully agree. I’m hearing from a man very well known in these parts that announcement is due Monday

  10. TOOAW

    May 19, 2018, 8:55 #109799

    Good morning Badarse. These WOR boys are a special breed eh. Dear old Arsene has left the building and the vitriol continues. Some just can't let go it seems as it's been the weekly way for so long. Anyway, I nailed my colours to the mast in support of the great one and agree with you that I do hold some very fond memories of him and AFC. Nevertheless, it's time to move on and see what the next chapter brings. Could be a horror, could be a romance, could be a tear jerker. Who knows ? Well some think they do. Good old Arsenal.

  11. Badarse

    May 19, 2018, 7:54 #109798

    TOOAW you didn't warrant the jibe for your comment-I am with you all the way-neither did I warrant the jibe I got from my post. Odd glitches that stop people from frothing and just complain that others need to let go. Amusing? It would be if not so narrow, arrogant, and a little bit sad for the individuals. Just cut myself on the tin opener and the blood came out like Alphabetti Spaghetti spelling 'ARSENAL', glad that never changes through the years. Cheers Ron Hilary is a special brain...so was Brian, ha ha.

  12. markymark

    May 19, 2018, 6:50 #109797

    ToOaW - we’re not stopping him. I’d happily clear his desk out for him if it helps him ( see I can be nice to Wengo ) All of us ( well 99%) are very ready to move on.

  13. mbg

    May 18, 2018, 23:59 #109796

    Don Howe, good post, well said.

  14. mbg

    May 18, 2018, 23:45 #109795

    CT Gooner you could be right you know what the English meedja are like they'd shag their granny for a scoop and be first, as are Sky reporting Allegri to meet the club tomorrow, but there's nothing knew here we should be used to this by now after being kept in the dark and fed bulls***e by wenger for so long.

  15. TOOAW

    May 18, 2018, 23:33 #109794

    So lets assume that its Arteta as 1st team coach. Thierry as his assistant and Bobby Pires flirting in the wings somewhere. Freddie is the new under 23’s coach with Per coaching the youth. At least its an Arsenal coaching staff. Red and white. If the WOR brigade can let go of the never ending beating of Arsene and let the great one move on. We could be onto something. Only time will tell.

  16. John F

    May 18, 2018, 21:22 #109793

    Just wondering if the delay in the announcement is due to the effect such an underwhelming appointment would have on season ticket and membership renewals.More worrying is that Sk position maybe about to strengthen if the resurfaced Usmanov to Everton rumours are to be believed.He may not get hold of the shares directly but someone could make a quick profit by buying Usmanov shares then selling them on to him.

  17. markymark

    May 18, 2018, 21:09 #109792

    Wengo been quoted as saying he’s in a state of shock and still not emptied his desk. He really was in a denial state then. Time to move on me thinks for his own good I think that points to the fact that Wenger is not pulling any strings and was frozen out

  18. CORNISH GOONER

    May 18, 2018, 19:59 #109791

    Still too much negativity here. Arthur has gone leaving the Wigmaster/Gazidis axis totally exposed if things go tits up. Talk of AFC looking for cheap solutions doesn't really hold water either if you look at the current player wage bill & transfer activity. The recent additions to the squad look very sensible (makes a change) & one assumes that Stanley has had to authorise all this. Nothing in the last throes of Globalisation makes any sense anyway - but forget that, we just want to talk about the footie & our AFC & I remain positive. Another scenario could be Carlo (who claims to have signed something!) being given a 1 year deal to mentor Mikel & to influence in match tactical stuff. I really don't see money as a problem - merely that the new team at AFC really want to build something different.

  19. Exiled in Pt

    May 18, 2018, 18:08 #109790

    Why are the fans in the strongest position now ? Yes they got rid of Wenger only a minimum of 7 years to late if you go back to the first humiliation, personally thought he should of gone in 2008! I have been saying this owner and board should be out too. They are not in this to win the man even admitted it in an interview. I am not knocking Arteta or anyone else that takes Wengers place just funny how some are just so desperate to of got rid of Wenger they now think the board is great and we are going places !!!!!!

  20. Bob Bayliss

    May 18, 2018, 18:02 #109789

    Every day that passes I am starting to hope that "no news is good news". If it were going to be Arteta then there is no reason why it could not have been announced this week. The fact that they are delaying could mean that they are waiting for a bigger fish currently managing a team playing their final league fixtures elsewhere in Europe. I live in hope....

  21. Don Howe

    May 18, 2018, 17:59 #109788

    Wow Robert. That is really a magnum opus on the fact that you don't like Stan very much and fear his dead hand. (1)You may be right; (2)Josh K seems to have cleared out the augean stables pretty rapidly. That's a plus. (3) I don't fancy Arteta either but I have no idea how he will get on, and when people asked me who I wanted rather than the creature I replied " anyone" (4) We would all rather have a big name, but that is not the model they seem to be going for. (5) Frankly I will be happy with a rock solid defence and a few 1-0 wins. You may think I belong in a home for thee easily pleased but that's how I feel.

  22. mbg

    May 18, 2018, 17:32 #109787

    Bard, maybe that's the whole idea all along from this regime time will tell, it would certainly give them some sort of get out of jail card, albeit temporary they couldn't keep going on like this for ever, as I said last night the fans are in the strongest position than we've been for a long time.

  23. peter wain

    May 18, 2018, 17:19 #109786

    just the cheap option from a man who does not put his hand in his pocket. Lower half of the table beckons and a new manager in January if it goes really wrong. Stan get out now.

  24. CT Gooner

    May 18, 2018, 17:14 #109785

    I really hope this Arteta talk is just the media causing a circus. Like many have said, is he really crazy enough to take a job with such risk at this stage of his career.

  25. mbg

    May 18, 2018, 17:08 #109784

    It looks like the guns are starting to be trained, or called for to be trained on Kroenke, even after he done exactly what we all wanted, got rid of TOF, all right it wasn't as soon as we'd all have liked but it was done, it has happened, he's gone, for what ever reason, we've got what we wanted (well not all of us) I've said before I've never been convinced Kreonke was the big problem like holding money from wenger and not giving him what he wanted over the years like the AKB's were, now don't get me wrong i'm not that naïve to think Kreonke might not have been part of the problem at times but he wasn't the manager and didn't cause all those embarrassments, humiliations, beatings, etc, etc, on the pitch, but of course we all know who forgets that, and who blames him for it. Now i'm not for one minute backing Kreonke here or Josh boy, but we were all expected to back wenger and give him our support and get behind him even when the embarrassments were flowing, suddenly he /they give us what we want and we turn our guns on them, no benefit of the doubt for the new regime, (or their manager whoever it'll be) sour grapes, revenge ? And we all know who the AKB wengerites, will be coming to, and looking for support off to get their revenge.

  26. Seven Kings Gooner 1

    May 18, 2018, 16:45 #109783

    Bard, you make a good point about MA taking the job. First off, if it is Arteta, why no announcement yet? Are most of us thinking he would just jump at the job - or perhaps he needs convincing, or maybe he is aware of his own shortcomings. It could just be that MA does not like the fact that he will not really be the boss, merely a head coach at best, or at worst a patsy for the board. For a straight forward appointment Arteta to Arsenal is rather long winded, almost as if Arsene is handling the negotiations.

  27. Exeter Ex

    May 18, 2018, 16:37 #109782

    Badarse - if you want to move on then stop making those little digs you're making below, stop fretting over what others think of you, focus on the football rather than constantly taking the moral high ground and being shown up will stop. Simple as that.

  28. Bard

    May 18, 2018, 16:17 #109781

    Good stuff Robert, agree entirely. One interesting question that hasn't been considered is why on earth Arteta would even consider taking this job ? He could destroy his coaching career before its even got started. Now Wenger has gone expectations among us fans are high. He has to hit the ground running. We understand he will have practically no transfer budget so he cant bring in 3/4 top players. If I was him I would stay at City and maybe take one of the lesser jobs in a year or two. He would be crazy to take this job.

  29. Yes its Ron

    May 18, 2018, 15:53 #109780

    Ha ha - Good stuff Baddie. Right with you all along the line there. Its says much when we re content to observe all this stuff from afar but not get too close or to spend money on it! Mate, we ve mentioned Hilary Mantell between ourselves before on here. Im actually reading one of her books now at last. Its an awkward style Baddie? Have you found her that way? I ll stick with Ken Follet i think - the master author! Have a good week end Baddie.

  30. Badarse

    May 18, 2018, 15:33 #109779

    Same wavelength there Ron. We believe we can see the machinations so it must be 'The Light Programme', ouch! I remember McLintock taking over as manager to Leicester I think. I was so certain he would be the greatest ever as I reckoned he was the greatest ever Skipper. He bombed and he never went back up in the air again. Conversely I thought the Stroller would fail and he won his wings immediately. It's a funny old game, Saint. I despise all about modern Prem footie, well international footie too, and the Olympics, and the World Cup, and this old ashtray. (Apologies to Steve Martin). All are tainted by the bottom line. It's been with us a long time but it cannot continue unchecked for much longer. It all comes back to haunt the next guy in line, and I'm not talking of the AFC new man. Grenfell, cheap coal from Poland and close the mines, now it's cheap steel from China forcing a sell off to India-be very careful of the power of the rupee. It's all about profit, yuk! Thank goodness I'm an atheist, that's a non-prophet business.

  31. Yes its Ron

    May 18, 2018, 13:37 #109778

    Walking on egg shells to the new season sums it up well Baddie. Its sad that after all of the rancour and fuss followed by Arsenes ending, that the club would use its barometer to guage the reality of the situation from a team/football perspective, with an eys on the economics of it all. Its no longer possible though is it. The enormous cash in the game now and the type of owners that the PL allows to come in and run the Clubs, unlike in Europe, means that the money is the only factor to consider. Its the price to supporters of the modern day shiny, glitzy game isnt it. On Arteta, irrespective of my view on his appointment and the reasons for it, part of me hopes he ll see the risk there is to his future career in coaching by joining Arsenal and refuse it. Unlikely i know, but hes only about 36/37, could be a real one for the future. Failure there could ed his coaches career before it starts. He may well be a success of course, but in my view any new coach is going to be firmly shacked and suffocated under this new regime. I say this, because i always rated him at Everton and then liked him at Arsenal too. Pity we never had him a few years earlier before his injuries bit. Gazadis is clearly looking for a puppet type. MA should take close heed i think, though maybe hes got Gazadis s measure having been at the club for long? Whatever, the fans are being shortchanged again i fear. Its the match going fans im mindful of. They deserve better and so does Arteta!.

  32. Reality Cech

    May 18, 2018, 13:29 #109777

    Great article.

  33. Badarse

    May 18, 2018, 13:15 #109776

    Marky nothing occurring surprises me. It may all turn out differently but this script is well-repeated one. I think that I have a grasp on the 'club' and it's approach, that is the board and policy. I half expected the rancour and jubilant celebrations from some, we as humans don't always do dignity well. I also expected the vitriol to continue for a while as old habits die hard. Except for those with glitches and personal agendas I reasonably expected the opposition to individuals to die a slow death, but to be easily resurrected. I really admired Arsene Wenger and believe him to be the single greatest thing to happen in my supporting life to the Arsenal. I pay homage to Herbie in a different way, a pioneer, a trail-blazer, a foundation layer, but he is just a historical figure to me. George Graham I believe was abetter player than manager and he was more than half decent at that, wasn't he? I am always excited by the prospects of a new season, always feel the adrenalin before a game, this is a monumental change and I am fearful. Fearful but anticipatory of a good outcome. We shall see. It's a shame that individuals cannot see a person's ethics are important and it doesn't make that person a blue meanie. I am not a Wengerboy, an Arsene FC fan. For that matter I am not a liar or a hypocrite, but people will have their way. I hope all goes well for my club, but am far from certain. You might say that I was walking on eggshells into the new season.

  34. markymark

    May 18, 2018, 12:50 #109775

    Baddie - ToOaW made a relevant point. Everything is now up in the air . The only definite I hold is I don’t want Wenger back . ToOaW probably would . At the moment that’s probably the only main difference we hold . Differences will emerge later I’m very sure of that . See my conspiracy theory versus cock up theory . A lot of views are diverging along both these forks whatever previous views held. I’m aware I’m appearing an Arteta fanboy. I’m not sure I’m overly comfortable in that position ( my latest posting might appear that way ) but neither do I want to pour a pile of cold sick on it. Interesting times , interesting times.

  35. Badarse

    May 18, 2018, 12:21 #109774

    Thanks Robert, I think I go along with this outlook. Not yet a fact that he will be chosen of course. Just as an aside, did anyone note who was immediate in his jibe at me on the previous post? Thought not. Have a glance and see if my claims of a glitch are proven. More distortion of the Nark to reality. 'Oi, Nark! Stop cosying up to TOOAW. You are just trying to do all those things that I was accused of when I agreed with Ron's post.'Only kidding Nark. You can cosy up with me anytime.' "He didn't have much of a brain. Just knew he got wet in the rain. He huffed, frothed and puffed-said lots of daft stuff, all better suited to the 'Lane'." Good old Arsenal, good old new manager.

  36. Exiled in Pt

    May 18, 2018, 10:19 #109772

    Spot on Rob, it needs more people to make the point that Yes its Ron and i keep saying . This owner is not looking to win anything , if it happens it is a bonus , he wants the top 4 and the money that goes in hand with it.I look forward to more people demanding this owner and board out if they want a real club challenging the elite.. As for junior being any better than senior , what because he spent a couple of weeks in London do me a favor.....Also just have a look at the money snidy Ivan has been pocketing since being involved at Arsenal compared to other clubs CEO's

  37. Yes its Ron

    May 18, 2018, 9:55 #109771

    Good stuff Rob. Its high time some air time was given to exposing the fact that the Clubs administration is the author of the teams decline this last 11 years equally as much Wenger ever was. Wenger was the owners trusty front man, the flak taker, the lightening conductor etc. Yes, he sacrificed football achievement for the well paid plum job he had, but the greater scheme was for SK and his cronies to sustain. Arsenal are doing nothing until they've a new regime in place in my view and for that to happen things would have to get pretty bad before our supporters would rouse themselves to pressure him out. Arsenals fans are so tolerant and passive and always have been. Kroenkes cash flow from Arsenal would need some serous underlying decline as would the value of the club need to start to fall sharply too to persuade him to go. Think Hicks and Gillett at Liverpool. Kreonkes not so much better than those two cretins were there, but the scousers soon ousted them once they set about it. Its needed at Arsenal. then the club can grow. Arteta or some new bloke of that ilk is just a passport to more of the same. Footballs about money alone now. Arteta s appoint ment (if he gets the gig) is about saving money, nothing else.

  38. Big Andy

    May 18, 2018, 9:50 #109770

    I don't agree at all with the gist of this article. I actually think that the truth is that Kroenke is an incompetent owner, which is why he handed the clearly past-it Wenger a new contract last summer. And this move for Arteta is a massively risky one which could easily blow up in his face. Arteta might succeed, but it's most likely he won't. Then what? Masses of more empty seats ans a huge loss of revenue as we fail get again to get CL football. Arteta is a risk not worth taking. The smart move would have been for Ancelotti or another experienced manager. But Stan is too stupid to see that. I think that the Yank is being led by Ivan, who now just wants to avoid another Wenger dictator situation arising. Stan and his useless son know nothing about running a "soccer" club: that's been obvious ever since he bought the club.

  39. markymark

    May 18, 2018, 9:34 #109769

    I pondered about us coordinating protests a bit like the dockers who would occasionally coordinate with other countries strikers refusing to offload boats from that originating country. The Wenger our meme went worldwide so Kronkes could possibly too. Here are some inherent problems though1: LA Rams supporters might actually be happy 2: Josh is being readied for the Arsenal chair ( he might actually want to win! I would if I was a 30 year old Billionaire ) 3: politicakky Kronke is in with Trump as Trump hates Jeff Bezos of Amazon . Amazon are a massive threat to Walmart. So don’t rule out Trump stirring up the red necks to support good old Stan in his battle against though god damn commies of Amazon . Crazy I know but it might get yer good old boy huntin and a shootin mob out against some poor fella with a placard ! I think a lot will depend on Josh as he may dilute a lot of the Kronke angst. On a separate note the get behind the manager is 2 pronged . Firstly a lot of fair minded will say give the guy a chance . Secondly it’s good fun to goad Wenger Boyz who considered any manager criticism as treachery and are now struggling with their inconsistency . Time will tell to all your points as there’s nothing particularly illogical about anything you say.