A Gooner’s 2018 World Cup Diary - Part Eleven

For England, reality comes home



A Gooner’s 2018 World Cup Diary - Part Eleven

Down and out in Moscow


Thursday 12th July 7am
So in the end it was heroic failure for England. Talk of the final proved optimistic, although in the first half of last night’s semi-final, it looked highly possible. Ultimately, England had an easy run to the last four, and Croatia were the best side they faced (if we discount the B-side final group match against Belgium’s shadow team). Had they drawn against Belgium in that game, they might have beaten Japan but surely made their exit against Brazil in the quarter finals.

What they did though provide was a great deal of feelgood factor for the nation. This period will be remembered for the Mediterranean weather, the excitement about the World Cup and the phenomenon for showering fellow fans at big screenings with beer from plastic glasses. Fortunately, I avoided getting sticky by watching England’s games on television either at Ivan Merc’s summer house (v Tunisia) or from the sofa back home (the rest). Actually the euphoria was better than Italia 90’s run to the last four because it lasted longer. 28 years ago it wasn’t until the last minute winner v Belgium in the last 16 game that things really took off. But of course, that was a tournament that actually altered the perception of football generally in the nation so, in conjunction with the post-Hillsborough Taylor Report, changed the game as we know it.

Still, it’s been quite a turnaround from recent times. The poor displays at Brazil 2014 and the last Euros were followed by the appointment of Sam Allardyce, who lasted one game. The subsequent decision to put Gareth Southgate into the job seemed underwhelming at the time, and of course in the buildup to these finals, there were more brickbats than bouquets, such as the players being booed or suffering an avalanche of paper aeroplanes during or after particular matches. However, Southgate was developing a style for his players to utilise, and in these finals, there were times when they played some attractive football, untypical of England at major finals for many a year.

Such was the case in the first half against Croatia. And it was in those 45 minutes England should have killed the game. It was the same story in the opening match against Tunisia. Trippier’s fantastic free kick set things up nicely after five minutes. But the key moment was Harry Kane’s chance and follow-up. The attempt was flagged offside, although one suspects VAR would have meant the goal stood. Jesse Lingard had a clear sight of goal subsequently and could have walloped it in.

Croatia got to grips with their opponents in the second half and had the best of the remainder of the game. Their equalizer might have been ruled out for dangerous play, but that would have been a huge call and Kyle Walker’s head was very low. Scorer Perisic hit the post later as the Croats took control. Kane had an injury time free header which would have won the game, but after the first half interval, England looked like the England of old. The fluency disappeared and there were too many misplaced passes. The players reverted to type with Pickford forced into long kicks which generally ended up with Croatia regaining possession. It wasn’t pretty, and France would certainly have worked out their tactics for a final against Southgate’s team. If you press the defenders tightly enough, you will get the ball back. England needed to get lucky with a long punt reaching either Raheem Sterling or his replacement Marcus Rashford, but this percentage tactic didn’t come off. A confident, energized link man in the middle of the park was absent and the team were unable to build any kind of momentum, just winning the occasional set piece. Harry Maguire’s header wide from a corner was the only other chance of note I can recall.

So it was down to extra time, and Croatia were the more dangerous, in spite of a belief that the longer the game went on, the more they would suffer fatigue. Mandzukic almost scored before the extra time interval, with Pickford making a fantastic save, although one he couldn’t replicate a few minutes later when the same striker had another chance. England were a spent force, physically and mentally. They never really looked like scoring, although a corner led to a John Stones header that was cleared off the line. But ultimately, Croatia were more street smart.

At the end, rather than scuttling off, the players stayed out and shared the pain with the marvelous support that had paid a lot of money to be out in Russia. It symbolized the bond that has grown thanks to Southgate’s decision to get the media on board as much as possible. I think there is a realization that Southgate has a long term plan that involves transforming the way the national team play, and that this is a young team that can evolve. It does need to improve in certain areas, there is no question about that. The fact that most of their goals came from set pieces indicates good preparation, but also belies a lack of creativity in open play. Henderson, Lingard and Dele Alli are all decent players, but England seem to lack a Modric-type player who can dictate a match from the midfield. Granted, such figures are not always easy to find. Have we ever really had one since Paul Gascoigne? Certainly, tournaments can be won without one, and if England had managed to get to the end of extra time level, they might have progressed on penalties.

Croatia reach the final having failed to win a game in 90 minutes against Denmark, Russia and England. France will be red hot favorites for Sunday’s game and it is difficult to imagine their opponents will have enough in the tank to keep them at bay for two hours. France have progressed to the final after an unremarkable group stage, by beating Argentina, Uruguay and Belgium. Compare that with Denmark, Russia and England (all needing at least 120 minutes). The French have not required any extra time in their three knockout matches and I am anticipating a one-sided final similar to their first World Cup final win in 1998. Add in a day’s extra rest and if I were a gambling man, I’d be very tempted to put a large amount on a French victory in 90 minutes. The Tottenham captain could be lifting a trophy, who’d have thought it?

The France v Belgium semi-final was basically a tale of defences on top. Creativity was by and large foiled by solid defending, a set-piece giving the French the advantage. If Belgium played a little more football on the day, it was as a consequence of the French taking the lead shortly after the interval. It tells you a lot that, in their last two matches, the decisive goals have been scored by centre backs from set pieces.

England travel to St Petersburg for Saturday’s 3rd place match, which will probably echo the group game between the two sides in terms of selection. Harry Kane will most likely be on the bench, as it looks like there is very little in the tank. He is two goals clear of Romelu Lukaku for the Golden Boot, and three clear of Griezmann and M’Bappe. He might come on for half an hour if Lukaku scores, but the more likely scenario is that all the guys who have spent the majority of the tournament on the bench will get a runout, for both sides. Step forward Danny Welbeck.

On that note, the big winners back in England from this tournament have been Arsenal. Their key men who were out in Russia have returned home earlier than expected, and most of the squad were not even there in the first place. You’d have to imagine that Tottenham will suffer in their first season at their new home due to fatigue if nothing else, with the amount of English and Belgian players who will not return to duty until the midweek before the Premier League kicks off.

I’ll wrap up my thoughts on this tournament after Sunday’s final. England gave it a decent shot, and certainly did better than most people hoped, although the draw proved kind to them. They gave us an enjoyable few weeks, and I hope everyone made the most of them, but when you have been watching the national side as long as this old head has, you learn to enjoy the ride, safe in the knowledge it’ll end in tears. This was a rare genuine opportunity of England winning another World Cup in my lifetime (I was two in 1966), but it was not to be. Tournament football is about luck, key moments, occasional brilliance and survival. The honest truth is that in 1990 they had a much better chance, and it still hurts watching the footage of Bobby Robson’s face on the England bench as his players lost that shoot-out to West Germany. Gareth Southgate will at least have another chance, and given the resources available to him from a Premier League stuffed with foreign talent, credit is due to him for extracting as much as he did from his squad. The semi-finals and finals of the next Euros are to be held at Wembley, so let’s see what the next two years bring.


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  1. mbg

    Jul 17, 2018, 0:22 #111231

    markymark, good post, sorearses Church perfectly described, sad old perv.

  2. A Cornish Gooner

    Jul 16, 2018, 22:47 #111229

    Excellent 'comedic' post markymark. After all the 'Battle of the Bulge' posts it made a welcome change. Sadly, though as sure as eggs is eggs, our diminutive, charlatan, lecher chum will be back. Shortarse, just remember Desiderata. 'Strive to be Happy'. Just teasing ha ha. Ron. I know nobody in The Vendee is interested in football/supporting the French national side. So,you probably havent't heard; FRANCE won the Worl Cup!

  3. markymark

    Jul 16, 2018, 20:51 #111227

    The Reverend Brian climbed the steps to the lectern . Unbeknown to the congregation there was a hidden platform upon which Brian could stand . He strode carefully for he wore a 6” stacked pair of white zip up boots gifted to him by his dear friend Paul Gadd. Now perched on his lectern the 4’11” Brian appeared over 6ft in height . “Oh ye Children of Wenger, give unto me your wives for I shall procreate in the name of the Lord! For I say unto thee, I am Yahweh Ben Yahweh returned to Earth to lead you !” The congregation moaned , swayed and groaned. The Reverends silver skull and cross bones pin affixed to his collar ( a present from an Austrian relative ) glinted in the sunlight that beamed through the windows. In the front a man named Pat shouted “I give you my wife Big Linda!” A man called Toad shouted “have my wife Mandy!” At this point A member dressed head to foot in white satin with a pointed satin hood shouted.. l , Jamerson know you are the chosen one! Only you can lead the Children of Wenger”! Brian gave a wry smile, no chance of shouts of Charlatan from this congregation.

  4. markymark

    Jul 16, 2018, 19:52 #111226

    Sorearse - I was going to post a longer reply but feel the postings of MBG, Exeter and A Cornish sum you up so well. Oh yes there was something else . Liar , Charlatan , Hypocrite

  5. mbg

    Jul 16, 2018, 15:18 #111219

    Sorearse, no, wrong yet again you tease no one, no one falls for anything you spout, your just a compulsive liar who talks bulls***t and you've talked so much of it, and told so many lies you've now forgotten and believe them yourself, nobody's interested in you or what you have to say anymore (and haven't been for a long time)so jog on. Exciting times ahead.

  6. Badarse

    Jul 16, 2018, 10:06 #111212

    Ha ha.

  7. Exeter Ex

    Jul 16, 2018, 10:00 #111211

    Perhaps then we should say the use of the term 'ladies' he found so offensive was ironic, or when Badarse feels he is 'hunted in packs' and 'stabbed in the back', those perceived attacks were all comedic. Or when his double standards are exposed, this is just a 'gee up' for Badarse; he just missed the nuances. Now that's been explained away to him, presumably he's okay with all of that? One word for post 117104: Revisionism.

  8. A Cornish Gooner

    Jul 16, 2018, 9:34 #111210

    So, anything is acceptable, as long as it is 'comedic', What about a Porridge sketch Badarse?

  9. Badarse

    Jul 16, 2018, 9:27 #111209

    They entered the ring-it was another square one! Badarse took a run at Eggman, missed him, hit the ropes, rebounded, and fell backwards over the top rope. It was OK as he landed on his head, not his own, but MAYDUP's who was there supporting the clique, as the string supported his orange ankle-swingers. Only One was tagged and sauntered in, proudly pointing to the bulge in his shorts. Nark started to grapple, demon? By? Smell? Apprehend? Decisions, decisions. As he procrastinated Only One swung around, went into a spin and fell on the floor. The bulge had moved around to the back of his shorts; that's the trouble with screwing up shiny, old Gooner issues, they slip. Eggman threw Nark the towel as he was tagged, missed it as he did most things, and the bout was over. Complete surrender. A 0-0 draw and decided on penalties. Eggman was penalised for his green legs so the deadly duo won the day. To the strains of 'Good old Arsenal!' they left, right, left, right. Thanks Gooner Ron for the idea, and welcome back. (It's that ruddy Gooner Ron's fault, he started him off today.) Question, is Ron the only one who sees the gee-ups? Am sure the more intelligent see it too, but only Ron speaks out. That again gives him Brownie points. "He mentioned Brownies in the same post as a 'bulge', Paedo!"

  10. Badarse

    Jul 16, 2018, 9:00 #111208

    OK Nark, here we go again. This explanation isn't really for you as it never sinks in and is too stressful for you to comprehend, but it is just up there for any to read as your poison can influence some, as can anyone else's if read by a gullible public. The challenge of 'ladies' was a gee up, as was Alsace's old-fashioned, 'We should take the ladies with us...'. Dinosaur talk. It is akin to wishing to be back at Highbury. It is over and a new approach is necessary. As for the post you and others in the clique seem obsessed with it; it wasn't how you perceive it. It may have been clumsy, no more. Your clique sit waiting and watching for anything. You miss the nuances, the teasing, the irony, the wind-ups and the gees, so ready to pounce are you all that one jumps in immediately after another. Lemmings, or what? I tease to another poster that I am off to church and MAYDUP man swallows it hook, line and sinker. Recently I posted that I attended a funeral of a tiny boy and his father and mother asked all to attend in Arsenal clobber, even the vicar-an Arsenal fan-asked if he could wear his shirt. I seem to remember you criticising and finding fault. A far more serious and uncaring attitude than a comedic post by another. Now let it go. Unai is the manager, I am eager to see the season begin, the new men, and as previously stated the development of the young Guns. Now all is relative, ask aunty Maude, you criticise who I connect with, yet believe that those you contact are lily-white. Lily-livered perhaps, lilywhites possibly, Lily Marlene definitely.

  11. markymark

    Jul 16, 2018, 7:45 #111207

    Gooner Ron - hope you had a nice holiday and maybe got to catch enough of the World Cup in relaxing circumstances. Unfortunately whilst you were away ToOaW decided to post a paedophillic posting, he has since denied the man was aroused as he no doubt has checked and found it could be the subject of legal advice. Just prior Sorearse had berated two posters for using the term lady as in ladies football teams. When asked to therefore condemn his mates posting . He denied there was anything paedophillic and when that didn’t work said there is no difference between posting adult based themes and those about children . A number of us are not happy with his explanations or his moral standing. Anyway onto Unai and the excitement ahead.

  12. mbg

    Jul 15, 2018, 23:36 #111206

    markymark, yes indeed mate I thought TOF was supposed to be the greatest at spotting young talent especially young French men, they don't know how lucky they are he didn't get his grubby hands on them in the last ten years as they sit at home with the WC tonight.

  13. mbg

    Jul 15, 2018, 23:19 #111205

    Sorearse, I thought you were an atheist ? (I can just imagine what your Church is) yet another lie, sad old idiot, jog on. Well done Unai, exciting times ahead.

  14. GoonerRon

    Jul 15, 2018, 21:50 #111204

    Took some down time from the site for a bit this summer. Came back and seems to be the same as it ever was - mbg still mentioning Wenger in almost every post whilst Badarse / TOOAW and Marky / Exeter tag team each other into submission. Bring on the new season!

  15. markymark

    Jul 15, 2018, 21:03 #111203

    The most outlandish comment so far “he’ll be singing to his dinner party friends” Sorearse I’ve got some tough news to deliver in that Wengo’s got no friends that’s why we had to put up with him for so long. Once his wife got wise and gave him the heave ho . He was regularly seen out eating on his own in local restaurants . No social life , no life outside football

  16. Exeter Ex

    Jul 15, 2018, 20:43 #111202

    Sorearse - no one marky has ever connected with has talked about bulges in underpants in front of children. Your 'supporter of the year' has. Where's the confusion exactly? And what part has Wenger played in this French world cup triumph? I can see no connection whatsoever.

  17. TOOAW

    Jul 15, 2018, 20:16 #111201

    Congratulations France. Good old Arsene will have a wry smile on his face this evening. Superb. Absolutely superb.

  18. markymark

    Jul 15, 2018, 19:49 #111200

    Sorearse - so you mean Wengo will be toasting all the players he failed to sign including Griezmann who he dropped interest in to buy Xhaka. Still why go large on buying a very young Mbappe or Pogba when you can spend 35m on Mustafi . All these young French players were available once relatively cheap sadly it seams Wengo went blind on French talent and Giles obviously missed every one. Still he’s a complete old fraud so I’m sure he’ll try and make out he had something to do with it.

  19. markymark

    Jul 15, 2018, 19:36 #111199

    Sorearse - quite right you’ve tended to wallow in the sewer with perverts , racists , white supremacists ,thugs and was it a murderer? , now you are in the winter of your life , you’ve plenty to look back on , fond memories no doubt. But as you rightly say I won’t compare . I’d just be happy to engage with the group I tend to converse with on this site and others .

  20. Badarse

    Jul 15, 2018, 19:07 #111198

    Just imagine the smile on Arsene's face this evening. He will be singing to his dinner party friends that 'Football's come home.' Funny, eh? Nark please do not compare those who I have connected with, to those you connect with. There is no comparison, son, son.

  21. markymark

    Jul 15, 2018, 18:08 #111197

    Sorearse - you got on with Jamee as well, apparently he scattered the WOR., Jamee was a self confessed child beater , Tooaw. Is a paedophille poster . Nice chums for you , suit you well.

  22. Badarse

    Jul 15, 2018, 17:24 #111196

    Nark, old is relative and as space bends and we haven't much space in the boot of the car that I am in, it is very bent. As it bends it warps light which affects time, or space time which is a big face with little hands-like Donut Trump. Now where were we? Ah, yes I cannot get on with anyone? You criticise me for getting on with TOOAW the OG Virtual Fan of the Year. You complain when I compliment Ron. You moan when I refer to westlower. I tried to get on with your clique but kept slipping off. That's the trouble with side saddle, Butch always warned me off this when we did our OG Virtual Circus training. Choo! Choo! Now big it up for Putin the winner of the 2018 WC. Vive la France!

  23. markymark

    Jul 15, 2018, 17:01 #111195

    sorearse - why can’t you get on with anyone ? You’re an old man you need to be at peace with yourself.

  24. Badarse

    Jul 15, 2018, 10:11 #111194

    Good morning mbg. You mention Wengerites, (cannot let it go, can you?), so I suppose I am one of those you are referring to. I watched on Arsenal Player and was very impressed with the development of both Niles and especially old one eye, Nelson. He in particular seems to have gone up a level, although the opposition need to be considered. He may really figure this season, a real diamond, I think. Particularly liked the way Aub and Lac seem to be friends. They seemed to be playing for each other. If true it is a commodity that cannot be purchased. It worked in that way with Big Raddy and Ray, it may play out this season along the same lines. Think the England performance was over-egged by pundits, egged on by the media, and silently endorsed by the grey men as a sign of unity, when in reality the country is falling apart and the stuffing is coming out at the seams. So mbg in answer to your rhetorical question I loved it. Against a 9th tier team, (oh they weren't, they were a higher grade), a 0-8 away victory is a nice start. Now the pundits and the media could make Arsenal PL champs on that performance. Sorry to appear again so early on a Sunday morning John F, off to church now. Enjoy your eggs.

  25. mbg

    Jul 15, 2018, 6:29 #111193

    So England really brought back down to earth with a bump, fourth place, I know an old fraud ex manager and his AKB disciple's who would have loved/love that, is there a trophy for fourth place ?

  26. John F

    Jul 14, 2018, 18:53 #111192

    I watched the game on the Arsenal site.Dick certainly gets involved and it was interesting what chambers said at the end about the DM position being used to stop the press by moving the ball forward quickly.Easy game with a couple defensive lapses by Arsenal in the first half but what was noticeable was the defenders getting tight to their man on the rare corner BW had.

  27. mbg

    Jul 14, 2018, 18:42 #111191

    Nice one Mr Emery 0-8 in your first game, (I wonder how the AKB wengerites felt about that)and i'm sure you signed plenty of autographs for your fans. Exciting times ahead.

  28. mbg

    Jul 14, 2018, 0:28 #111190

    jj, yes make you vomit wouldn't it, sad isn't it, I bet he didn't mention that was only when he/we won, mr wenger, lol, remember it used to be the boss too, (the halfwits can't use that any more) even when he was embarrassing and humiliating us across England and Europe, no self respect whatsoever, and the idiots still haven't. Exciting times ahead with Mr Emery.

  29. John F

    Jul 13, 2018, 20:15 #111189

    I do hope that there isn't a home coming parade for the England team like they did in 1990.It would be more appropriate for the spurs players do a mini tour of all the villages up and down the country that still have middle ages stocks where they could be pelted with fruit,preferably melons with the odd coconut thrown in.Anyway if there is a parade who would wear the comedy breasts.

  30. Exeter Ex

    Jul 13, 2018, 19:14 #111188

    Decent points about how good the England team actually are and the quality of the opposition, however, rather like at Arsenal now, England have to be built up again, the players clearly gave their limited all, it's not the 'star' culture anymore and they gave us a few good days, Saturday v Sweden in particular. Also the fact that some of the players temporarily are paid by and wear the shirts of Spurs doesn't bother me and it doesn't make them bad players or bad people. I guess it's what you're brought up with - for me growing up it was simply support the team representing your local area (Arsenal) then support the team representing the wider bit of land (England), minus all the jingoism etc.

  31. jjetplane

    Jul 13, 2018, 19:06 #111187

    Nice one John F and reckon the zip coat will take up 850 ft of it. Still laughing about the one where Atwood talks of how he pulled his BT and SKY subs because they were too hard on Wenger. He even used that line to BT customer care. They must have been in stitches at their office as they closed his account.

  32. John F

    Jul 13, 2018, 18:52 #111186

    900ft jj they will have to put a beacon on top to stop the Emery out airplane funded by untold crashing into it.

  33. jjetplane

    Jul 13, 2018, 18:27 #111185

    UNtold & high priest of wengohoodoo Atwood just cannot let the reality sink in that 1 we have a new manager 2 Wenger was dismissed and quickly forgotten at his previous place of business. This is Atwood writing today: 'I particularly recall Mr Wenger (sic) coming on to the pitch before the game, looking around, smiling and rubbing his hands together in that way that he did (give me that sick bucket!). Shaking hands, talking; he even signed a few autographs on the way back to the changing rooms'. Have not noticed they have actually mentioned King Unai by name yet but refer as an aside to the new manager though all the pictures up are still of Wenger. Reminds me of Attenborough doing that series on disappearing tribes. Make a good episode of Atwood and the rest of them doing their special Wengo dance around the spot where they feel a 900ft statue of him should be erected as you turn towards the ground from Holloway Rd. ****ing embarrassment Hahahahahah ......

  34. mbg

    Jul 13, 2018, 14:56 #111184

    Ron, don't misunderstand I certainly wasn't critising, but just that you mentioned yourself you'd be of air for a while during your holiday due to the internet not being great, and taking a break for a while, and therefore didn't get to or take the time go back and read every post, all that Merlot and lovely ladies in bikinis to enjoy.

  35. mbg

    Jul 13, 2018, 14:42 #111183

    As I've already said it's over and we're coming home as usual and not with what everyone thought we'd be bringing with us, but I think it's fair to say a lot of those young players will be bringing reputations with them now, not having disgraced themselves, which quickly brought me to thinking about the weasels long failed project youth remember that ? these players who were going to be the backbone of Arsenal and England for years, the wallys, ox's smoking jack's the list goes on, what were they thinking sitting at home or in some holiday hotel swigging cocktails and beer, watching those England lads taking all those accolades, making reps for themselves with the country cheering them on and right behind them, had they a tear in their eye thinking i could have been there ? i should have been there ? that should have been me, etc, etc, I wonder did they ask themselves why, and why they weren't, all ruined, by a f*****g wrinkly old fraud of a manager, I wonder if they had the chance again what they'd do. Thank God he's gone, Exciting times ahead with Unai.

  36. jjetplane

    Jul 13, 2018, 13:01 #111182

    Not the biggest England fan but can plainly see there is a sea change of sorts with the young ones winning a WC against Spain, the senior England squad playing the ball out with the likes of the majestic McGuire, The all round keeper play of Pickford and the great stuff coming from Trippier scoring a great free kick of the the iconic sort. Kane and Alli were well off the place which was a shame and in the game now with every club fielding overseas players there is little real identity as in the game before the the PL so who wears the shirt is of no matter and says something that Wenger never did anything for the England set-up - never anywhere near it. Croatia were excellent but that was no suprise - they have the experience. Looking forward to Sunday and Unai's Arsenal kicking off in a month's time. Will be watching 9th tier for the live stuff and well done Hibs last night for laying down a wee marker.

  37. TonyEvans

    Jul 13, 2018, 12:29 #111181

    Hi Gaz - completely agree. I enjoyed the run to the semis, without warming to the team at all. England will always come a long way behind Arsenal in my football affections! Take away the set-piece goals and what are you left with - precious little! In many ways England getting to the semis is comparable to Arsenal's recent FA Cup wins - enjoyable but papering over the cracks - big time!

  38. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Jul 13, 2018, 11:54 #111180

    Gaz, Gooner ron - I'm with you lads, all that drooling and hyperbole over a team full of spuds playing awful football, with the easiest/luckiest draw imaginable and then the inevitable collapse against the first half decent opposition. Thank god that's over, had young Jimmy Hill gone on to pick up that trophy we would never have heard the end of 'how s***s won the world cup'. Now on to what really matters and the first time in years many of us are genuinely excited about a new season. I like what I've seen of Emery so far and can't wait to see a new era underway on the pitch

  39. GoonerRon

    Jul 13, 2018, 9:42 #111179

    @ Gaz - couldn’t agree with your post and glad it isn’t just me who thinks there has been an overreaction to this ‘heroic over performance’. Against Belgium, Columbia, Sweden and Croatia our heroes managed 4 shots on target from open play in 7 hours of football. Yes, before the tournament we’d have taken the semi’s but had we have known the group and draw we’d get, the semi’s would be seen as a minimum requirement. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve been really impressed with Southgate - the run in the WC has come at a great time to unite the country and there is undoubtedly room for encouragement but in the cold light of day this isn’t overachievement.

  40. Yes its Ron

    Jul 13, 2018, 9:37 #111178

    Hi Marky and MGB and all. I hear you. Ive not seen many posts its true this last fortnight but ive long since taken the view on here that where the line is crossed with posts or that you simply cant be bothered with any particular poster, its best to just ignore the post/poster and move on. Why oxygenate a bad trend lads? To ignore is the quickest way to deflate some people. With others, some times we have to look beyond their words and often messages get lost in translation and we have to adjust and temper our own styles towards some posters to keep a line of talk going, if its worthwhile of course, otherwise its easy to slip into endless exchanges of barbed speak when its supposed to be footie on here?

  41. markymark

    Jul 13, 2018, 8:52 #111177

    Nothing fabricated in that list it’s all on historic record. Have a read about Barnes. Why would Special Branch raid a brothel? That’s the Vice Squad role . Yet Special Branch raided it. PIE saw themselves as being Vanguards of Change and used radical sociologists and of course apologists to back their cause. Numbers of Student Unions invited them to speak ( again on public record ) . It was Mary Whitehouse the conservative MP Geothrey Dickens and it appears Barbara Castle who led a fight back against PIE. Barbara provided Geoffrey with a dossier of MPs ( gone missing under Leon ). As I’ve said it’s public record available 1st hand from Dickens and covered in detail by the BBC as well as the Mail who put a political slant on it but essentially reported factually. Baddie and yourself see no moral difference between child sexuality and adult sexuality . That was the position of PIE.

  42. TOOAW

    Jul 13, 2018, 8:34 #111176

    Narky boy. The exaggerator, embroiderer, dramatist, fabricator. I'd certainly say a drama queen and most definitely a bull****ter.

  43. markymark

    Jul 13, 2018, 8:24 #111175

    Alleged members of PIE Sir Peter Telford Hayman ( head of MI6) , Peter Righton Director of Education within National Institute for Social Work. Geoffrey Prime ( Traitor / Spy ) Cyril Smith , Lord Janner. Harriet Harman denies campaigning for age of consent reduction to 10 ( heavily linked with organisation ) Patricia Hewitt denied association same with Jack Dromey . Leon Brittan failed to ban the organisation. Public Eye in 1980’s claimed MI5 were using material on Leon. Young Liberals and a number of Student Unions supported PIE. In France a number of allegations have been raised against the 67’ Student leaders. If anyone can bear it I’d suggest reading about the Barnes Brothel. Why it was raided by Special Branch and not the Vice Squad ? and the very convenient death of the Brothel owner. - [ ] Sadly the Dirty Mac brigade have always been with us. They should not be given the power of free speech and neither should they be accommodated. I highly suspect seeing Badarse’s moral equivalence to this that at some point he was cosying up to Perverts. After all it is Badarse who said some of his Vanguard for change ended up in Prison. Over to you Baddie , or you can just piss off.

  44. markymark

    Jul 12, 2018, 23:01 #111174

    ToOaW a term is used to describe an item hanging out. It is obviously genitalia . If you stand facing a person with your genitalia hanging out you are exposing . I note with interest that you’ve never denied the post is paedophillic nor that you are a paedophille.

  45. TOOAW

    Jul 12, 2018, 22:52 #111173

    Now Narky boy. Clearly you feel the need to over inflate things in life with most of your posts. "Exposing himself" according to you is raising the bar that little bit too much. Here's guessing that you believe that Arsenal are wearing blue this season. God love these WOR boys.

  46. markymark

    Jul 12, 2018, 22:18 #111172

    Ron - ToOaW was warned twice by myself to stop bringing children into posts .The reason for this was I guessed which way it was about to turn. So sadly it was no surprise when ToOaW decided to describe a man with bulging underwear ( small bulge ha ha ) facing a boy. It then suggests the man exposes himself and then asks the boy to keep it secret. It is obviously paedophillic and ToOaW has been desperate to deny the man is aroused . We guess because he knows he is breaking obscenity laws . Step forward Badarse who attacked various posters for daring to use the term lady but has denied any paedophillic content . Further Badarse has gone on to call people who’ve called him out for it Nazis and then claimed adult sex and this poster morally equivalent. So there is a lot of anger with Baddie . Up to you fella if your happy with that . M going to be honest with you in that I don’t really care what you think . But would suggest your defence is wasted . Ps: as Badies view point is roughly equivalent to PIE. I have been referring to him as the PIEMAN. Now Ron don’t have s go as I see Baddie uses Eggman I’m virtually every post.

  47. mbg

    Jul 12, 2018, 21:16 #111171

    Gaz, hear what your saying, it's over now, nice when it lasted but it's over, although we'll still enjoy the final with some cold ones it's back to getting excited about Arsenal and Unai, and even more signings and looking forward to the start of the season for the first time in fooking years, and being genuine about it, instead of pretending to, as not to lose face, but still supporting and craving and worshiping an old skinny fraud who's been lost in the Russian triangle. Exciting times ahead, good old Unai.

  48. mbg

    Jul 12, 2018, 20:30 #111170

    Ron comes back on obviously not having read everything on here for a week or so, and low and behold guess what ? the redarsed one jumps and attaches himself to him like a cleg, bon voyage Ron, thanks for the nice words, i'm sure that's made your day, and your holidays, billy one mate the racist who's great mate is even worse and a perv. Then he jumps straight back into insulting others and talking s***e, with a good old Unai to try and disguise it and try and make us think he supports the manager.

  49. jjetplane

    Jul 12, 2018, 19:08 #111168

    ManfromUncle The Yes Album with Squire, Anderson, Howe (Don!) et al Fine reference and if some think it is ****e what that young England have done well thats your problem. Made a lot of people happy up to the semis and Croatia may even lift it on Sunday. They know how to go for the jugular when they up the gears though the controlled mature performances from Poggie Mbappe look ominous and WC winning like. Unai is calling for at least 5 captains in the dressing room which will be a far cry from WENGER the old ostrich droning on about speeeeeerit and little else. Unaiiiiiiiii!

  50. Exeter Ex

    Jul 12, 2018, 18:58 #111167

    Another who doesn't understand the meanings of words.

  51. TOOAW

    Jul 12, 2018, 18:13 #111166

    Eggman ex. Badarse posts. You attack. Badarse replies. You get all irate. Badarse posts. Badarse wins. Do you want OG all to yourself and the WOR brigade. Well. Guess what. You can have it. Fickle the lot of you. Good old Unai.

  52. Exeter Ex

    Jul 12, 2018, 17:20 #111164

    To decry a lack of tolerance for his views whilst from day one making it his raison d'etre to berate others for their views, yet see no hypocrisy in that, is Trumpian in its blatant wrongheadedness. At best a very confused, delusional individual who no longer fully understands the meaning of words.

  53. John F

    Jul 12, 2018, 17:05 #111163

    Bloody hell Ron we normally get at least 12 hours on football on a new post before it turns into a Badarse thread,you started it early.Very good write up Kev especially the last paragraph.I am not so distraught at Englands exit as I was in 1990 and 96 mainly because we had a good team that had a chance in the final but this one would of been stuffed by the French.Southgate is rightly getting plaudits for getting England re connected with the fans but I still think his in game management is suspect.He nearly cost England the game against Columbia with his substitutions and yesterday he should of taken Young off earlier and Alli who was ineffective.Kane was dead on his feet and should of been replaced in fact every single Spurs player should of been taken off.

  54. A Cornish Gooner

    Jul 12, 2018, 17:01 #111162

    Exeter I thought that was one of Badarse's more lucid posts to be honest. Had to smile at the 'I always get the better of you', ‘poor affected individuals’ (TOOAW springs to mind) ‘perhaps my intellect is something you fear’ bits though. Badarse you spend most days on here displaying your wide repertoire of insults to all who disagree with you, ranging from the mildly obtuse retort through to your most downright obnoxious one. What’s your glitch Sorearse? Who or what are you missing in your sad life? And I don’t think you need to mention other people’s ‘dodgy standards’. If you want an example of dodgy standards you should look closer to home. Shouldn’t you.

  55. Exeter Ex

    Jul 12, 2018, 16:57 #111161

    You're so relaxed and chilled out, aren't you. Sorearse? The same Sorearse that writes 'you deserve a heavy slap' and 'if we met in person you would be no more'. No, your views are not consistent. You are fine with paedophilic posts but berate the use of the term 'ladies'. That makes you a man of very dodgy standards and a hypocrite. No, it doesn't matter that you contradict yourself - none of what any of us say on here matters - but nevertheless if you continue to speak to me and others in the way that you do then your fraudulent persona will continue to be exposed. No one makes you do it - just as no one makes you write 'I will leave you to stew to prove I don't need the site' then return within 24 hours. It's you, with your own words, that make you look such a clown. All I do is hold up a mirror. Oh and I'd like to see you give a single example of you getting the better of me, as you claim you always do?

  56. Badarse

    Jul 12, 2018, 16:13 #111160

    Bon voyage, Ron. Thanks for the words. No Exeter you are lying again. It isn't at all more involved than that. I get knifed because some people are inherently cowards and can only knife, actually they hunt in packs and usually stab in the back. You set yourself up as judge, jury and executioner and determine another's view/existence by your own dodgy standards. That's fascism chummy. My views are my views for better or worse, they are consistent and there isn't any hypocrisy as far as I am concerned, and probably many others. Yet so what? What if there is a contradiction, does it worry you so much? Is it because you are glitched to be the thought police? Do you see it as a battle and are upset because I always get the better of you? Just saying that I have gone off in a huff/had my bottom spanked/scared or any other jibe doesn't make it so, except to the poor affected individuals who are attracted to you. I think you must also detect higher morals in my posts to mention it so often. As in calling me a pseudo intellectual, perhaps my intellect is something you fear. Relax, there is no need for disquiet, you are safe with me, just trust me, ha ha. When I have posted this I shall leave. Then I shall come back and leave again. When I then return you can put on a post telling the disinterested OG posters that I said I was leaving and came back. They will appreciate that as they may miss my post and they wouldn't want that. If you place the knitting needle you never returned from the OG Virtual Crotchet Course into he top of an egg, hold it upright in a pan of boiling water for 5 of your earth minutes, it can be eaten on a stick as a hard bald egg like a lolly. Good old Unai.

  57. The Man From UNCLE

    Jul 12, 2018, 15:51 #111159

    It doesn't matter about size of population. It's all about tactics, ability and that intangiable "thing" that wins teams silverware. Croatia (both now and as the former Yugoslavia) have produced a long line of outstanding sportsmen and women. Footballers, tennis players, basketball players, skiers, you name it. You lose to them, then well Yours Is No Disgrace, as a quite good 1970's prog band once sung.

  58. Gaz

    Jul 12, 2018, 15:34 #111158

    Just glad we're out and I can stop pretending I like Dele Alli because he's wearing an England shirt! Always a strange feeling wanting England to win because I'm English and proud of it but hating most of the players in the team! Personally I always want one Arsenal player in the actual side as it makes me feel like I've a connection with the side as a whole. As for the WC itself I'm not having any of this ****e that England produced something incredibly special. They didn't. They beat the four sides they'd have beaten home and away if paired with in a 'group' and lost to the only two half decent sides we faced! And if we want a reality check England have been knocked out of the last two major tournaments by countries with a COMBINED population of 4.3m!!!

  59. mbg

    Jul 12, 2018, 14:52 #111157

    Yes heroic failure, was it really going to end any other way, (remind us of anyone ?)but they've done themselves no harm at all, they've brought no shame on themselves, they can still be proud, and not have to sneak in and out through some back gate at Heathrow (like those before them)when they arrive home, it would have been nice to see them reach the final, some will say better beaten In the semi rather the final, this young hungry team can go onwards and upwards now I think with the proper coaching, as long as the FA don't let that old weasel wenger anywhere near them,(heaven forbid) but i'm sure that won't happen they will/should have more sense and Southgate has certainly secured himself another three four year contract there, the same with the French manager i'd say regardless of the outcome, so that's the old weasel fooked there too, he can go back into hibernation now until the japan or Korea job comes up or anywhere else like that that's just his level, Hard luck England.

  60. Exeter Ex

    Jul 12, 2018, 12:36 #111156

    Ron - it's a bit more involved than you're portraying. What 'Baddie' is getting knifed for is his blatant double standards and hypocrisy whilst constantly attempting to take the high moral ground. It's the defending of any post, no matter how horrific, if the poster shows the Wenger love, whilst attacking any post on the filmiest of pretexts if the poster is anti-Wenger. Plus if someone keeps saying they're leaving and then just carries on, of course they're going to be ridiculed.

  61. Yes its Ron

    Jul 12, 2018, 11:32 #111155

    Hiya lads. got a signal here for a bit now! Not much WC fervour here in le barre de monts. Saw a bit of that game last night. Right team won. Man from - agree fully with you matey. Just read through one or two of the expressions of love between Baddie and the rest. Funny really! As for the Gunners, a few signings but none ive actually heard of. A few posters are saying the new coach has sort of moved mountains already vis Wengers offerings? I could be missing something but is there actually any tangible evidence for that yet? Time will tell surely? Far too early to enthuse over it and him yet. Irony in the posts - Baddie gets blasted for his Wenger leanings yet its a few of the other lads who are still knifing Wengs and raising his name oft so to keep the Weng legacy alive? Cant really see why AW gets any mentions now chaps? Let it go. Back on the road now. cheerio. PS Agree with you Kev. 1990 was a better opportunity.

  62. jjetplane

    Jul 12, 2018, 11:29 #111154

    Of course trollarse would have to be a bigged up Croatia fan and big lover of embezzler Modric which is a shot in the foot for the most left wing man in England who yet still loves the embezzler Wenger with his unearned millions. A troll and his values.

  63. The Man From UNCLE

    Jul 12, 2018, 11:02 #111153

    Hugely enjoyable WC, for what it's worth my opinion is the "greats" (Messi, Ronaldo) are over the hill, there's a real vacuum in world football right now and it's time for young up and coming players to take over the baton. As for Hengurland, we still look too clunky and set-piece reliant, and revert to pressing the panic button after 70 mins but, having offloaded all the deadwood this should be a sign that better days are ahead.