A Gooner’s 2018 World Cup Diary - Part Twelve

It’s over for another four years, and France are champions



A Gooner’s 2018 World Cup Diary - Part Twelve

Not so perfect ending? The view of TV’s watching billions as Lloris lifts the cup


Tuesday 17th July 10.30am
I had a brief exchange on Twitter yesterday with sometime Gooner contributor (more often found on Arseblog these days) Tim Stillman. He had tweeted, Suddenly remembering the tinge of melancholy with which I watch all World Cup Finals, but always somehow forget in the ensuing years. It's nearly over.... It's not just the four year intervals that mark the passage of time, it's the month itself. That opening ceremony feels like another lifetime. That Spain v Portugal game, watching Mexico beat Germany on a mate's phone in a craft beer pub in Tallinn. Lifetimes seem to have passed..
I responded, There have been 14 in my lifetime, 12 of which I was aware of, seven of which I have attended matches at. The odds are I might only be alive for another 4, going on average life expectancy. Hoping to beat the odds and enjoy a few more than that!

It’s interesting that, since returning to the UK after spending the first week of the tournament in Russia, when presenters, pundits and fans talk about the tournaments they remember on the radio, how many are not old enough to remember watching England play Germany in 1990. There goes half a lifetime. If you halved my age now, that was in the first half of my life. Wow. Whilst writing this, I actually looked up the average life expectancy for a male in the UK, and it seems I was being a little pessimistic. In reality the odds are I will only enjoy six more World Cup tournaments before shuffling off this mortal coil. I first became involved with The Gooner approx 28 years ago. Thinking what I have experienced in that time, there is plenty of opportunity for a lot of joy and experience before I am scheduled to cop it.

But World Cups, more than birthdays, are really significant temporal landmarks in one’s existence, assuming you have any interest in football. Many in this country will recall them based upon England’s fate, although for me, the final match itself is generally the standout memory. If for no other reason than that historically, a tournament is defined by two things – its location and its winners. Which brings us to France v Croatia on Sunday. France were the favourites based upon the teams they had beaten on the way to the final and the reality that in effect they had played 90 minutes less football than Croatia, including an extra day’s rest after the semi-final.

Croatia had been outstanding in their group game against Argentina, but in the knockout rounds, struggled to overcome the combined might of Denmark, Russia and England, failing to beat any of them in 90 minutes, and needing penalties to put them through twice. They were the great survivors from a half of the draw that most believed Spain would progress from.

France, underwhelming in the group matches, had only really shown their true capability in a cracking last 16 tie against Argentina. After that, they played intelligent, if generally unexciting football to eliminate Uruguay and Belgium. The latter were arguably the second best team in the finals, and it was generally felt (at least by those not caught up too much in the national fervour about Gareth Southgate’s side) that the winner of their semi-final would win the trophy.

And so it proved. Croatia made a fist of it, but ultimately, key decisions went the way of the French and the mountain to climb proved too great. Griezmann was cunning to win the free kick that led to France’s opening goal, but in fairness, the Croats are hardly saints when it comes to gamesmanship. Croatia’s equaliser was a top drawer effort from Perisic, but then VAR made its mark on this final. I can see why the penalty was given. Perisic did, in the movement of his arm, seem to lower it as if to bat away the ball. Probably an accident, probably no intent. Certainly too much of a risk to take if he thought he would get away with it. However, it was Croatia’s misfortune that he gave the referee just enough to believe there might have been intent. Should it have been given? One for debate. I’d say benefit of the doubt to the defending team. On such small margins are football matches decided. But France were the better team, and in the second half, given the space to demonstrate it by the opposition’s need to take chances, they came up with two excellent goals.

So poor luck, certainly. A rare moment once the heavens opened as a Spurs captain lifted a trophy, even if TV viewers missed the big moment due to some security goons. Strange to think about the amount of Spurs influence in the last four, with players on all four sides having connections with the club (I am counting Luca Modric and Corluka on the Croat side). Football certainly is a strange game.

As for the third place playoff game, I chose to attend Arsenal v Borehamwood on Saturday. Attempted to watch the game in full later on Saturday evening, but the body wasn’t having it. I was awake to catch the opening goal, although I can’t even recall it now. By 25 minutes, I was in dreamland, with the other half nudging me to tell me to go to bed. Saturday was a hot old day, and the energy levels were very much on the low side. It was all meaningless anyway, although Belgium ran out 2-0 winners by the end, that much I know from checking my phone during the Arsenal game.

So, a tournament that will have two major legacies. VAR is one. It’s here to stay and will cut out a certain amount of gamesmanship. However, to be really effective, players need to be punished retrospectively for things that are not to do with goals, penalties and offsides. A one game ban for diving might be a start. The other one is the use of Fan ID cards, some 32 years after Margaret Thatcher tried to bring them in back in England. Of course, these also doubled up as visas to get into Russia (saving a serious amount of money), but it ultimately proved possible to access stadiums with black market tickets bought bearing another user’s name, even though the technology was in place to prevent this. In the end, the organisers preferred fuller stadiums as opposed to foiling the black market.

For Russia, it was a very successful PR exercise, as it generally proves for host countries. A lot of England fans were reluctant to travel, but there were no major issues. Things could get a bit expensive, but that is generally the way at these tournaments unless you are organised and do things in advance. It’s a huge country, and even though the venues were concentrated in the west of Russia, travelling times were often very long if you were not able to fly. That trains were free to match ticket holders meant many used this mode of transport. The people were generally hospitable, moreso outside the major cities of Moscow and St Petersburg.

As for the football, some cracking games. And let’s face it, six goals in a World Cup final is the stuff of… well, 1966. Since then, we have had five on occasion (1970, 1986), and a couple of fours (1978 and 1982), but since 1990, pickings have generally been slim (one, none, three, two, two, one, one). Ten goals in seven games. So to get six is something of a feast compared to the normal famine. The tournament provided some shocks, plenty of drama and discussion points and a lot of feelgood factor in several countries, not least Russia and England. I’ve enjoyed it. I think the game has become a bit more open as a consequence of VAR, as rulebreaking is more likely to be punished. It’s not perfect, but ultimately it has added to the entertainment.

God alone knows what the Qatar tournament will be like in November and December 2022. At this stage I do not know if I plan to attend (I have managed at least three games per tournament since my last non-attendance in 1994). Four and a half years is a long time, and who knows what life will bring in that time (or if I will even be around to attend!). It will certainly feel odd with the finals not being held during the English summer, very odd indeed. By that time, the Euros will have been played with Wembley staging the semi-finals and final, and Gareth Southgate’s team two years further down the line. Cue Baddiel and Skinner….


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  1. GoonerRon

    Jul 23, 2018, 23:25 #111400

    I’ll have to disagree with some on here re: Ramsey’s level - if we were to put him up for sale I think they’d be takers from the other top 6 clubs in the PL and possibly leading clubs from other countries too. In this market, even with a year on his contract, I’d expect £35-40m. That said, whilst I rate him as a player (and think he could go to another level with a balanced midfield), I’d advocate selling him this summer if he doesn’t sign a new deal.

  2. markymark

    Jul 23, 2018, 21:28 #111399

    Oh no the Paedo’s turned up again . How’s your secretive 5 member twitter account doing ?

  3. TOOAW

    Jul 23, 2018, 21:23 #111398

    MAYDUP...... "Short, arsed, waster".... (Ozil) or are you looking in the mirror. Your words not mine. Narky boy. Your blood pressure is off the scale fella. Eggman has told you to leave it. Now do as he says. See ya first game of the season.

  4. markymark

    Jul 23, 2018, 20:56 #111397

    MBG - I’d recommend reading Le Groves latest on Ozil it makes interesting reading and is fair I think on him. Ozil’s cuddle up with Erdogan will plague him I suspect for years to come. In some ways he can point the finger at German society and say I’ve been your fall guy , I’m the stranger in the German shirt , not German enough so I’ll take the hit for the waning side. But then reading Le Grove you also hear mention of two Turkish athletes in the States . One has had his father arrested and one threatened with arrest for being enemies of the state . Erdogan without doubt is a dictator but whilst he lavishes infrastructure , jobs and rekindles Turkish pride they’ll always be someone ready to shake the hand. On a side note as I understand Istanbul has some of the wildest and hedonistic night scene this side of Paris . So Erdogan has not quite imposed his austere rule on everything quite yet.

  5. mbg

    Jul 23, 2018, 19:47 #111396

    So Ozil has announced his retirement from International football citing Racism, you can bet if he was just starting out new on the scene, or been around for just a few seasons with two or three WC's still left in him (instead of none)and hadn't all his millions already hoarded away there wouldn't have been a peep out of the wee short arsed waster, and any one thinking this so called retirement is great and is going to make a difference to his Club form think again.

  6. mbg

    Jul 23, 2018, 19:13 #111395

    Good post Bard, Yes Ramsey could have been a top player, yes he was shaping up nicely before Shawcross, but he wasn't the finished article by any means he still had a long way to go, remember he had an old fraud of a manager to contend with too, maybe if he'd have had the foresight to get out before been completely wengerised but of course shawcross got to him first, then as usual TOF stuck by him nothing wrong with that of course up to a point, contract after contract waiting for him to come good, seasons passed, all we heard was this is Ramseys season he has to make an impact now or be let go, but no, more breakdowns, come backs, pay rises as if he was wengers love child (not out of his own pocket or inflated wages though) remember his other love child and complete waster diaby ? remember how an AKB and a few others long long gone now and a few others worshiped their messiah even more for treating him like a charity giving him contract after contract for years for never even fooking playing ? it was even suggested at the time diaby was giving him a percentage of them in kickbacks it was so bad when any other manager worth his salt like fergie, mourniho, etc etc would have gotton rid of him way before when they seen it was never going to work out. It was/is just the same with the welsh Jesus now (and others thankfully the boss has done something about that)contract after contract waiting for him to come good, still waiting for him after all these years to impress and come good, but i'm sure the boss will not be like the lost cause lover wenger, and that was just one of the old frauds many faults (and there was many)he just loved a good charity, a lost cause and stuck by them waiting for them to come good, but never out of his own pocket though. Thank God he's gone, exciting times ahead.

  7. markymark

    Jul 23, 2018, 19:02 #111394

    1971 - I’m with you on that I’m really quite ambivalent over him going. No one in that team stirs the heart like a Freddie , Ray , Pires etc . Other less injury prone options will be out there . The one concern I have is literally 6 years worth of changes have been done in 6 months . This is far , far beyond my expectations . It’s big , big pressure on Unai to keep us on pace with a complete new system and so many new players . Saying that I feel like I’m a man moaning about it being too hot and praying for autumn drizzle. The change throughout the club is really quite spectacular .

  8. 1971 Gooner

    Jul 23, 2018, 18:51 #111393

    I like Ramsey, but I don’t buy into the argument that we can’t afford to let him go. In fact, I think the opposite is perhaps true; if he won’t commit by the end of the month then I’m up for selling him to the highest bidder and getting a replacement. That would be another powerful statement by New Arsenal - if you don’t want to play for us, p**s off - you will no longer be indulged by an indulgent management team.

  9. markymark

    Jul 23, 2018, 18:49 #111392

    Exeter Ex - I agree with your comments . One person though needs to vacate permanently, he was banned before , he needs to go again. I’m digging up what I can find on him . I’m guessing he’s ruined his twitter account as anyone who cares to go across to the Gooner is going to find it interesting. Saying that his twitter group is set to private so MBG maybe onto something ! I’m far more interested in the coming seasons events which really should be preoccupying the vast amount of copy on the site and postings appear to be heading in that direction

  10. jjetplane

    Jul 23, 2018, 18:14 #111391

    Ramsay's injury is part of the mythology built around him and that would apply to a lot of Wenger's players who were either supplied an excuse or a promise they would get much better. Only have to think of Theo and his iconic moment against the spuds which gave him a bigger wage packet and prolonged life at Arsenal but now that even Wenger himself admits he should have walked a long time ago so the Ramsays of the club have been allowed everything but still they want more. Ramsay does come off as a bit of an arrogant sort and really think his level is more like Jack's. I mean after all little Jack's waffle re the Spuds he has gone home to his true club. Always been a Hammers man says Jack now. Have every confidence that Unai will make short work of any of these players getting above their places. He probably was told at PSG not to upset Neymar but looking at his manner even at the Borehamwood friendly he displays what you want from a coach. He was completely immersed in the game and what the players were doing and that's only a friendly. Here's to Watch out Slackers! No effort no game.

  11. Bard

    Jul 23, 2018, 17:40 #111390

    GR; you make some good points. Watched a really good interview with Tone and Merse on Sky. Tone was very good. His point was that good as Wenger was in many aspects of nutrition etc as a coach he was next to useless. He made the point that very few players have got better in the last 10 years. Whether Rambo can improve with proper coaching remains to be seen. I suspect some will adapt and improve and others will be shown the door. You are spot on Rambo is a box to box water carrier with an eye for goal. What he is not is a play maker. I am of the view that he wont get any better and his fitness is always an issue. If he was that good we would have heard better sides than us wanting to buy him.

  12. Yes its Ron

    Jul 23, 2018, 17:37 #111389

    GR - true matey. AR goes AWOL. Im inclined to think hes a bit of a 'glory hunter'. The bread and butter discipline side of things isnt for him, hence the flicks etc etc. As Baddies says though, the Club has had so many non productive, poser types playing there for so long, all trying to imagine themselves as Johan Cruyff types that we have to give Ramsey the benefit of the doubt and assume he got caught up in the poser/flash boy culture amongst the Willy and Wally et al fraternity there that Wengers last 11 years engendered. Ramseys in the last chance saloon for sure. At 27/8 i cant see us getting too much from him now. The years on easy street and having his ego massaged are deeply imbued in him i guess. A good offer would in my view rightly tempt the club to sell. On the whole Arsenals midfield needs much better quality than him to really penetrate the top 4. We ll see though wont we.

  13. Exiled in Pt

    Jul 23, 2018, 15:48 #111388

    Ron i agree that with Torreira behind him ,i think we may see Ramsey start to shine , if he stays that is . Will be interesting to see how we set up on Thursday just a shame it will be a few more weeks before we see Torreira play .

  14. GoonerRon

    Jul 23, 2018, 15:31 #111387

    Ramsey is an interesting debate and he is probably the player I am most curious about seeing in the new world. The big issue about him for me has been his discipline when playing in a midfield two - he too often leaves his post defensively and is partly responsible for the imbalance in the team. That said, it isn’t beyond the realms to think that is exactly what he was told to by Wenger. He’s better than one goal in four which is very good for a central midfielder and I wonder whether a more effectively drilled playing style, with a bona fide defensive midfielder in Torreira behind him is just what he needs. I personally think he would be most effective in a 4-3-3 or one of the slightly wider players in a diamond - he isn’t a number 10 for me so needs to be the box-to-box link man.

  15. A Cornish Gooner

    Jul 23, 2018, 14:52 #111386

    mbg. I hope his ring isn't under surveillance!

  16. A Cornish Gooner

    Jul 23, 2018, 14:40 #111385

    Ha ha Baddie lad. You crack me up. That last post of yours was also 'quite' funny.

  17. mbg

    Jul 23, 2018, 14:34 #111384

    markymark, I think I said/advised before don't even think of going down that route of meeting up, i'd imagine him and his ring are under surveillance and could be pounced on/arrested at anytime and you don't want to be seen in the vicinity let alone talking to him.

  18. Badarse

    Jul 23, 2018, 14:34 #111383

    Afternoon corny. Well we've done the Shankly bit, Ramsey, marmalade, and now we have entered the Cheesey Dip period. Do love cheese especially strong, real Dutch Gouda, but my favourite is the vintage Cheddar, it really is the king of cheeses for me. In Southern California I was treated to Monterey Jack. The most tasteless cheese I've ever encountered, though some French copies are pretty anaemic, like young French emmental. One thing the English lead the world in is cheeses; for varieties and taste in general. Ok, that's eggs, marmalade and cheese, must be Marmite next?

  19. A Cornish Gooner

    Jul 23, 2018, 14:22 #111382

    Ha ha Baddie lad. You crack me up. That last post of yours was 'quite' funny.

  20. Badarse

    Jul 23, 2018, 14:09 #111381

    Was he just a hole in a bottom? He didn't think he was, he'd done his sums and thought he added up to more than that. Anyway wasn't a hole the absence of something? So was he the absence of something? He'd tried to look but had hurt his back, still things were looking up. Should he try harder to get to the bottom of the hole? It was a bit confusing. He tried to walk with his bottom cheeks flexed together, it looked as if he was walking in stiletto heels. How do you find the way out of this conundrum? You couldn't get out of a black hole, but this sounded dark. He would have to eat more Cheesey Dips, that might help.

  21. Badarse

    Jul 23, 2018, 13:49 #111380

    No Ron I get that. Shanks was iconic and had such power and influence with his team. Liverpool enjoyed a succession of men who saw the benefits of pursuing the same philosophy, or approach. It became a mentality which still resonates, doesn't it? I also believe that Arsene's 'sameness' was just that, the pursuit of a type of football with rather inferior players after 2004. More pragmatism would have served him better of course, and had he too had the men around him he might have enjoyed a different outcome.

  22. Yes its Ron

    Jul 23, 2018, 13:35 #111379

    Baddie - did you see the prog on bbc 2 last night about Shankly? Very good. There was a 'philosophy' that was tailored to his players, his club and his supporters all of who willingly bought into it to create enormous success, a philosophy that successive coaches have tapped into and which Liverpool have retained event ever since. It was a philosophy that formed a foundation, built on rock, not sand unlike AWs flirtation with the 'philosophy'of footie. Arsenes was more a whimsical fancy than a philosophy in my view.All done though and the debates are over arent they, but i think AW will reflect some what negatively on his latter years in the fullness of time.

  23. Yes its Ron

    Jul 23, 2018, 13:11 #111378

    Baddie - yes, a good point about the 'philosophy'though i dislike that word in footie context - its so pretentious of coaches to use it i always think as footballs remains a simple game. The philosophy has in my view been some thing that has led to quite a few players under AW never reaching their potential and also its led to the proliferation of injuries in many cases that players at Arsenal have endured for so many years. Arsene had his vision of beautiful, creative off the cuff football but the club never had the players under him to do it after 2004. This was the great contradiction between what he wanted to achieve and how it all unfolded and in turn which led to the angst and anger by the support towards AW. He wanted a Ferrari but tried to construct one using parts he bought from the scrap man who had stripped down an Austin Allegro.

  24. Badarse

    Jul 23, 2018, 12:58 #111377

    Ron once more I cannot really find fault with your prognosis. I too realise, though expressed as a supporter know in my heart of hearts he hasn't yet achieved in the overall sense. The flicks? Maybe a reaction to the injury though they have come off on some occasions. I think personally it is more to do with the environment of the club, Arsene's philosophy etc., though I would accept a combination of effects. Many players play differently under varied tutelages and having differing roles given by managers. The effects of other men around them on the pitch can shape and wildly alter a player's input to the team, and subsequently give a better reputation. He has of course scored the winning goals in two Cup Finals so he certainly achieved on those afternoons. We are talking positively which in the grand scheme of things is a pretty good state of play. Onwards and upwards. Now Ron, I'm doing my Eeyore bit and going down to the corner of the field to stand alone in the corner. Coming? You can stand in the other corner. Later Pooh may visit with a pot of marmalade.

  25. Yes its Ron

    Jul 23, 2018, 12:03 #111376

    I think Ramsey needs some body to sit him down and teach him how to keep it simple if he is to do any good before his career is gone. He can run a lot as you say Baddie, but his best use is to deploy him in an advanced role and to tell him to pick up scraps as Lampard used to do and try his luck with a few attempts on goal. Hes trying to be all things to all people all of the time. He may then prosper, fitness allowing it in my view. Ive seen AR may times since his injury and ive always thought hes pre occupied with avoiding another really heavy tackle. This is why hes got this bent for those annoying flicks and backheels, which he simply doesn't have the talent to effect properly. It wasted doing it but i can see why hes does it. Its a basic protective mechanism. Ramsey needs some clarity in his coaching otherwise his career will have been a damp squib. Apart from his injury though, he s a bit feeble physically anyway i think to play midfield. Many fans do rate him though as you say. Mixed feelings for me as his really good games have been few and far between. JJ - i dont think he 'uses' his injury as 'default' . How does that work? He s never said much about it to my knowledge. A double bust like he had would have finished many other mentally stronger players. AR has done well just to pull a shirt on again, but i just think hes severely compromised by what happened.

  26. Exeter Ex

    Jul 23, 2018, 11:48 #111375

    Badarse - After mentioning his son a few times, T0OAW writes a 'sketch' portraying markymark and his son in a very inappropriate scenario. You don't think there's much in it, but I can see why markymark is so very angry about this. I hope you can do as you say and not provoke any further. markymark - you've definitely made your point. Let's all move along now: Ramsey. I think the club are in the position they were with Ozil. Can't afford to let him go, though no way his contributions up to now (albeit he hasn't wanted to be injured) deserve superstar wages. After so many years of one man's indulgence, it will take years for the new, delegated power structure sort the squad out.

  27. jjetplane

    Jul 23, 2018, 11:31 #111374

    Ramsay will now consider himself like Bouldie a vital cog of the last regime but am sure Unai will be watching the whole thinf for a season and then make a move. With Ozil also saying he won't play for Germany anymore probably knowing at 29 he will hardly figure in the Euros or the next WC makes you think how he pulls that one at AFC of playing when he is in the mood. Another one Unai will have a keen eye on. Ramsay and Ozil are good players but their inconsistencies have been going on for seasons and let us forget about the injury Ramsay suffered - he uses that by default and Ozil seems to be gradually wending his way to a deep sleep that could last the reast of his days. Would love to see Unai get something out of them though with such ingrained surliness it is hard to see.

  28. Badarse

    Jul 23, 2018, 11:26 #111373

    Good morning gentlemen. Hang on it's Ron and Bard, ha ha. Have to disagree with the conclusions regarding Ramsey, though the general assessment are not far wrong I guess. Bard it's a bit angry and you are using a broad brush stroke I think. Nowadays every top footballer is likely to try to wring a better deal from a club. Ron and myself have been talking of the hired guns for ages. This is just a manifestation of that current situation. It isn't endearing true, but real life. Negotiations and a decision will be made. He will sign as is, get a better deal and sign, or leave. The regular three positions of any negotiating, so it is a waiting game, patience is required as a fan, especially with limited knowledge of the situation. Now I tend to agree with the broader point from yourself Ron. That injury clearly impacted him and put him back perhaps 3 years or more. It took a year to actually walk/trot upon the leg. I do think he is an integral part of this squad and am an admirer. I think I see many aspects of his game which are overlooked often. A remarkable engine linking play in many positive areas seems to go largely unnoticed by some yet a loss of concentration defensively and everyone spots that, which is quite natural. The man pulling the trigger is the enemy, but the one supplying the bullets and the brain-washing escapes the criticism as they are generally off the radar. I find increasingly ambivalent to proceedings. Not quite how you deal with the nonsense and hype of modern footie, but a similar distancing. Whatever gets you through the night, eh? Upshot is a sense of disconnect which we both share.

  29. markymark

    Jul 23, 2018, 11:17 #111372

    Badarse - excellent , so you won’t per your promise be communicating with me again? You mentioned that you had a short time on this Earth when challenged with a visit , you mentioned the conveyer belt , I’m just repeating back. Both you and your Paedo mate are prize arseholes. If you allowed me to visit I’d be having this discussion face to face . Coward.

  30. Badarse

    Jul 23, 2018, 11:04 #111371

    Exeter, thank you for an adult response. The first post was ambiguous then. I am aware that no matter what I post the same old usual suspects pop up and criticise adding their own collective spin. You are lying, trying to suck up, etc., and I assumed as it seemed in the same mode followed by another couple of regulars I lumped it all together; I accept your explanation. If you have noticed I have not poked any bald eggs in any direction for a while, even offering the silly metaphor of change with the Cheesey Dip. Take a look at Marky's post, swearing, insulting, lying, threatening, wishing death on an individual, (albeit in vague terms, but the intent showed right through. I will only post to those I see fit to post to in the future, and beyond a silly post now and again-without naming names, (most are about me anyway)- I shall continue. In this continuation I shall ignore racist, homophobic, religious, sexist, and negative views. As for the general comment that I try to 'force' my views on the site and do this for attention, it is a simple case of Yes and No. I do want posters to be less vitriolic and less of what I have listed. It isn't forcing though, just highlighting. This I believe is normal. It is a hopeless task anyway as people from a position of safety drop their guard and behave as they want to behave, (within certain boundaries). The attention is already there. I have long since tried to liven the site. To branch out into unusual areas, sometimes linked with football, sometimes not. A trigger is warmly responded to by Ron and SKG. I am criticised. How meaningless. Confronted with the enquiry that the other two posters escaped without criticism I am told because they are all right and I am not. Now if that isn't fascism then I have been fighting the wrong battles all of my life. Anyway the message is relax, chill, and take things less seriously. If you don't like a post ignore. That has been offered on numerous occasions as an answer to harmony, but is advice rarely followed by a small clique. Cheesey Dip to you.

  31. Yes its Ron

    Jul 23, 2018, 10:57 #111370

    Hi Bard - Its a case perhaps of Ramsey having a few good games at the seasons end that he often does, hes survived the cull so far of the 'english spine' that was Arsenes construct and now hes maybe developed a higher regard for himself? Its a bit typical of the 'spine' fraternity which as you say never really got off the ground did it. Its hard to see if Arsenal will be able to move Ramsey on without taking a massive hit in the pocket. We may be stuck with him. Hes perhaps one who the new coach has thought needs to be given some game time to shop window him? He is a typical Wenger let down man though as you say. Man U certainly dodged a bullet when they failed to sign him 10 years back. Does Ramsey still have a purpose at Arsenal? As with the last 7 or 8 years, its a vexed question isnt it. Could have been a very good player had he not have been Shawcrossed. Never the same since. He was looking like a top performer until then ive always thought.

  32. Staplehurst Gooner

    Jul 23, 2018, 10:47 #111369

    Is it just me or has the online box office at The Grove gone into meltdown? I paid £59 to renew my silver membership and now the box office this morning does not recognize it: apparently I have no active memberships. Anyone else having problems?

  33. Exeter Ex

    Jul 23, 2018, 10:33 #111368

    Morning Badarse. Mine was a positive, constructive post, a suggestion. Very mild when you consider that since I lasted posted you've been justifying the physical threats you've made to me in the past, stating they were 'earned' but then in the next sentence state "anyone who is insulting from a position of safety is a coward". You then state "Am beguiled by the comment that I have attacked people who haven't attacked me directly" when all one has to do is scroll up to see an example of you doing just that. No one has tried to deny you free speech. The point has been made very clearly that when you go after posters who haven't mentioned you but have posted something you don't like, you invite attack, so you could play your part in breaking the cycle by stopping doing that. But if you don't acknowledge, even just to yourself, that you do what you do, then the cycle will continue. It's your choice and it's not 'fascist' to point that out. I believe you ask too much of the site - that everyone should respect and accept your views, but that you should be free to respond in any manner you see fit to any view you don't like, and that others should be fine with you turning them into characters in your 'comedy' sketches. This is why I suggest another outlet in the form of a creative writing group in your local area, as perhaps then you'd feel able to use this site in a way that doesn't antagonise a number and I assume bore many more, perpetuating a cycle. Again, it is not 'fascist' to make this suggestion and point these things out.

  34. markymark

    Jul 23, 2018, 10:27 #111367

    Badarse - cut the crap “ I know it’s puzzling for him” you’re talking down to people again , vain , sanctimonious , coward who threatens people but claims he’s only got a short time left when you are called out. There is nothing to let go. I simply do not like you or your Paedo pal full stop. If you’d spoken to MBG sensibly you’d have got a sensible reply . But why should he bother with niceties when virtually every post you send you accuse him and his nation of bigotry. You’re a nasty piece of work, arsehole. Even your pal Ron might start seeing the pattern. Thank god that conveyer belt keeps on clanking onwards.

  35. Bard

    Jul 23, 2018, 10:00 #111366

    Whats the deal with Rambo. Who does he think he is? He has flattered to deceive in an Arsenal shirt. Is he really worth mega bucks that he seems to be demanding. Not in my book.I also haven't seen too many big clubs busting a gut to sign him. Another 'could have been under Wenger'. Sign or get rid.

  36. Badarse

    Jul 23, 2018, 8:53 #111365

    Good morrow Marky. The post was designed for mbg and do not need advice on where and when to go. I know it is puzzling for him so wanted to give him a laugh and perhaps lighten a few peeps. It was in effect a silly but positive post. It is funny that it prompted 'click-click-click', from 3 posters. All negative and missing the point. One was a bit arrogant as usual, one was very basic without a grasp of understanding also-both effectively saying 'Go!' and your post was a bit confused as usual. Giving a plaudit to an inane question so you marked your ground on that one. You rolled in a Ron aspect for historical negative reasons, and the rest of the post was given over to insults, rudeness, misapprehensions you hold, and a lot of tosh. Just chill fella. Let it go! Good old Arsenal. Not a bald egg in sight, it's now all about Cheesey Dips.

  37. markymark

    Jul 23, 2018, 7:24 #111364

    MBG - A very good question forthrightly put. Of course as with everything there will be complexities but to sum up. He’s here to draw attention to himself. At one point he saw himself as being the site sage , driving our views , bending , shaping . What he didn’t bargain for was that he was seen as a pompous arse. Having failed he now just wants any form of recognition. Occasionally Ron will throw him a bone but otherwise it’s how can he engage. This then leads to his spiteful little postings to draw a reaction and so the cycle begins again until the pressure drives him back off . Believe me , this don’t be nasty to Baddie Schlick from Ron will all be forgotten when he randomly insults someone and then calls someone else a gutless coward for insulting him back. On the subject of gutless cowards we have finally put this to bed. Trying to be restrained with him obviously was not going to work so an offer to meet with him was refused and I noted he then said he was being bullied and that he only had so long to live. Sounds like big Badarse ‘s balls have shrunk and the real character of the man is being revealed . Have fun Badarse , whatever time you have left.b

  38. mbg

    Jul 22, 2018, 23:20 #111363

    Well what the f**k are you here actually for then, or have you escaped your village again, and landed here out of habit.

  39. Badarse

    Jul 22, 2018, 21:27 #111362

    Marky I am not here to convince you, or anyone else. I would much rather be friendly, which is a tenet for me, but am ambivalent if the course dictates. 'I'd rather be a Hammer than a Sour. Yes I would...or is it wouldn't?' Good old Arsenal.

  40. markymark

    Jul 22, 2018, 21:13 #111361

    Baddie - thanks for the Stanley Unwin rehash - didn’t find him funny the first time around. You’ve still failed to convince me. TTFN from the clique

  41. Exeter Ex

    Jul 22, 2018, 19:06 #111360

    https://www.writers-online.co.uk/writers-groups/advanced/thanet-creative-writers Badarse this is what you're looking for.

  42. Badarse

    Jul 22, 2018, 9:47 #111359

    It's a Someway mooring and I yam visit so say aero to my owld friend mbg. Now how did big cheesey smiley come from? Well so in the Garden of Edam no wells rabbi anywhere. Would you Adam and Eve it? Me knee fur. But rememble it was ages agog like before your Arsene come to town. Anywhile Adam shouted greatly Gouda and Gouda 'til it was hurty the eardrumps. It came and passed. Soon follows Parmesan, Eve says it a mystery Parmes an....? Who do you do? Possistly Parmesan and Griff? So real legion commensurate. It then a secondly come home. Lankysheer, Carfilly, and even Stiillton a heavywait cheesey. Then a stargazy gave us a Baby Belly and all got on knees, some on bums, others on heads. It was windy fall. Trouble on distance. The coloured ones came and it was Dan is Blue, and Ready Lester. Those old rabble say to peeps be serrated apart. It wasn't what we were eating. Then a giant reptail from Japans knees, the enormouse Gorgonzola ate trees and smashing up housey housey. Then King Cod came and fell in the seasaw. It made a Soon Army which put alles in ordnang. Now after many yearbooks we have the excellently extreme mature Cheddle. The kingpin of cheeses, so bow wow and Rays in the loft. Ally hoop la. It make us all have on a big cheesey smile. A good buy mbg, so don't forget to buy.

  43. Exiled in Pt

    Jul 21, 2018, 20:13 #111358

    I know what your saying mate fair point. A very good year in our history.....

  44. mbg

    Jul 21, 2018, 19:18 #111357

    Hear what your saying Exiled wasn't meant to sound or come out like that obviously meant his tenure, got a bit carried away as I still despise him just as much even now, but another few years with the weasel and relegation, it certainly would/could have been and seen like that.

  45. mbg

    Jul 21, 2018, 18:47 #111356

    jj, yes indeed mate I wonder why the old fraud regrets staying so long and why they were wasted,(I bet it's not his fault) and what kept him ? Money for old rope and no pressure kept the arrogant c**t, and if he thinks Henry and Vieira could, or will, make good managers why didn't he help them and give them a hand/position instead of not having them anywhere near the pace, (and we know why)what an arrogant egoistic old weasel. Good riddamce.

  46. A Cornish Gooner

    Jul 21, 2018, 18:45 #111355

    CORNISH. You can get Rattler Cloudy Cornish Cyder. Like you I don’t like cider. Not since I had one, or maybe two, pints of scrumpy, too many while youth hosteling in the Lake District way back in 1968. Agree with you on Doom Bar production. But it wasn’t just that they moved was it? It was only about two years later that it was uncovered. It’s only the bottled stuff, but even today the bottles, adverts and even the web site give the impression it’s brewed in Rock. There’s no mention of the ‘Peckham Spring’ water it uses. It all leaves a bitter taste in the mouth! Yes, HSD is better. On Arsenal’s new beginnings, I agree with mbg. These are exciting times. I hope that in twenty-two years’ time though, we won’t be celebrating Unwin Emsden’s sacking, or comparing his accent to Manuel. That wouldn’t go down too well.

  47. mbg

    Jul 21, 2018, 18:06 #111354

    So smoking Jack asked the old weasel for advice when he found out he was leaving after been sacked, i'd have thought he'd have kept that to himself, reminds me of the quip like asking Mc Donalds to look after your cow, talk about being a glutton for punishment asking that old fraud for advice, is it any wonder players are supposed to be and have a reputation for being thick.

  48. Exiled in Pt

    Jul 21, 2018, 16:55 #111353

    Cornish you are right probably a bit harsh. On the point of that song it does infuriate me when it is sung but your right we are a fickle lot really..

  49. A Cornish Gooner

    Jul 21, 2018, 15:37 #111352

    Hello Exiled. A bit harsh. Maybe it was a slight exaggeration, apart from the first five words, but as football fans we are all guilty. Aren't we? After all, we are Arsenal FC, and We're by far the greatest team, The world has ever seen... I don't think singing that makes us sound stupid.

  50. Exiled in Pt

    Jul 21, 2018, 13:55 #111351

    Probabably the daftest sentence you have ever posted MBG. 99% of us on here are all glad to see the back of him and had grown to despise him for the last 10 years even though he still won a couples of FA cups but to say the greatest year in the clubs history makes you sound stupid mate. You are aware of the clubs history before and including the first 6 years under le fraud!!!

  51. mbg

    Jul 21, 2018, 13:26 #111350

    A Cornish gooner, good post, 2018 is, and will be looked back on as the greatest year in Arsenal History, we got rid of a lying, useless, fraud of a manager, and what made it even sweeter (and still does)he didn't get doing it on his own terms ie leaving when he wanted, thus up holding his precious record of never breaking a contract, having it done for him by getting the sack, and we're still celebrating, yes 2018 will be looked back on with great fondness. Exciting times ahead.

  52. markymark

    Jul 21, 2018, 11:55 #111349

    Baddie - I’m going to post this again but this time the boy is your grandson and you are exposing your “nose” to him. You have threatened people on this site 3 times telling people they will be slapped and that only one person is coming out of this. You have suggested you know violent characters . This is not aggrandising these are your words. You , Paedoman and I should meet up. Paedo suggested it and said I should come alone, you didn’t demure and you keep on calling me a coward . Let’s meet up and put this to bed. Let’s discuss this man to man face to face . If either of you try anything on when we meet , you will both pay a hefty price.

  53. Badarse

    Jul 21, 2018, 11:24 #111348

    Marky you are clearly finding it difficult to let go. It bemuses me. The post was as it was. It was not my post. I said it was perhaps clumsy. I think the lad is not a paedophile. You have a track record of overstating and placing accents where there should be no emphasis. i.e the age thing. I have never lied about my age, just teased. I am a Malteaser teaser pleaser. I even said I was 90 odd once. So lighten up and give it a rest, please. Incidentally I have never said I want to meet up. It is the last thing I want to do, what remains of my time is too precious. I have said someone as earned a heavy slap, and he did. I am not a man of violence. I am observational though, and my thrust was that anyone who is insulting from a position of safety is a coward and the point was it couldn't be said to a person's face. That is not difficult to understand and not unreasonable. By the way I recollect you and AKB joining forces and spewing uncontrolled smut onto the OG pages with talk of slaves and chains and ejaculate etc., I didn't comment on those posts either. Remember, I am not my brother's kipper. Am beguiled by the comment that I have attacked people who haven't attacked me directly. There was no attacking. Strong words sometimes possibly, but even that I reject. Just chiding or tossing back a similar comment already made. Reactions, rather than action. I genuinely do not think that I am deluded. 'Who did it Bud? "Lou." 'Lou? Der, Lou did?' "Yes, deluded."

  54. markymark

    Jul 21, 2018, 8:22 #111347

    So Baddie whilst you digest the non Paedophillic posting that mentions your bulge , your penis exposed and asking the boy to keep a secret. Can I sum up your post? Basically I don’t lie ( you’ve admitted lying before, lied about your age 3 times Already ) and you’re bullied ( you’ve threatened people on this site ) and you’ve got the right to attack people who haven’t attacked you directly? ( anyone else does this is a gutless coward ) So basically you’re deluded ? When are we meeting up? Only one of us will be left standing. Sorry Baddie I couldn’t resist

  55. markymark

    Jul 21, 2018, 7:51 #111346

    TOOAW 17:17pm 23rd Jun 2018 On the opposite side of the caravan site, Badarse stood with just a pair of y fronts on. His belly clearly hanging over the waist. "Daddy, why are your pants light blue"... Badarse turned and faced the juvenile. The boy saw that it said AAAHHTETA on the small front bulge (Suggests arousal )Well sonny, I love Arteta and I believe he loves me. But please don't tell daddy" replied Nark. " Ok daddy. Mums the word" at that point a PC rode past on his bike. " Morning children. Have you seen that rascal Badarse. I'm arresting him tonight if it kills me as he is public enemy no. 1". Arteta fanboys son yelled "he's in the club but beware it's a bit of a mess" " thanks son" replied the PC..... " Daddy" "yes son" " why is Artetas nose ( means Penis ) poking out of your pants"., "Bed.... Now" replied an embarrassed fanboy. - Post No. 116735 Baddie as you obviously don’t hunk there’s anything paedophillic about this . I’d gues you’d be happy that I put your name to it. In brackets I’ve suggested some pointers for you. When are we meeting up to discuss further ?

  56. markymark

    Jul 21, 2018, 7:27 #111345

    Baddie there won’t be a clique when I meet with you individuall it will just be me as I want a proper word with you about being constantly described as a coward and two your pal writing a Paedo post in this site. I’ll also have a general conversation about being an anti Wenger Arsenal Supporter. You have frequently said to meet up and called us cowards when we have not taken up the offer. I am willing to meet you despite the threats. When do you want to meet and where?

  57. Badarse

    Jul 21, 2018, 6:46 #111344

    Good morning Marky. 1) Firstly I suggest you avoid threats. They come in all shapes and sizes, my friend. So the threat that if I do something which riles the 'number', who can be referred to as a clique, they will be after me. That isn't a diplomatic approach. I really do suggest you address this as some react adversely. I shall always choose where and when to speak out if something is posted/said which offends my sensibilities, as I believe you do also. Think! You preserve that right for yourself and others whilst denying me that right. Fascism! Your presumption that if I continue then I must enjoy it is again your simplification. I do not enjoy conflict, but often do not step away. So again you make a decision and it is reality; it isn't. 2) The TOOAW post has been doing the rounds for so long now. You and the clique have repeatedly demanded that I condemn it. Yet apart from in jest, (wind-ups, as I knew it would never happen), I have never demanded that any of you condemn or tug into line, or even comment fairly on any outrageous posts directed towards myself. One rule for one again? A pattern is emerging don't you think? Anyway I have answered and do not believe for one minute there is any paedophilia in the posts of anyone; some may be clumsy, or just miss, overstate, etc., but not grave. Yes it can impact differently if aimed personally, so think what being called a multitude of names by you and the clique repeatedly, and all very wide of the mark, can impact on me. Do you see that? Not nice, is it? So all the more reason to not throw stones when you live in a glasshouse. As for meeting to discuss cowardice it is unnecessary. Here is a step by step explanation that a child could follow. When a group or clique bully an individual in any way, even in OG posts, that is cowardice. Bullying is cowardly. End of! You used that expression which I find ugly but I use it with more authority in this instance. I would not wish you to be hounded by a group. It isn't nice. So those are my thoughts. We do not see eye to eye on some matters, but that is not unusual. How the reactions are then depends on individuals' ethics. I have oft stated that my reactions to bullying are just that, reactions. Those reactions were born from a dislike of myself because I was identified as a supporter of an Arsenal manager. That will always cause a problem for an Arsenal fan, don't you think? I reacted to those criticisms. Once a line is drawn in the sand it becomes the status quo so insults down the ages are responsible. I ask you to cast your mind back a month or so ago. I was engaged in posts with Ron and was criticised by the clique. Do you remember? That also isn't nice. So once more it's that glasshouse analogy offered once more. So let sleeping dogs lie, and don't accuse another poster of lying as this one doesn't. I really am not interested in discussing this any further as it is boring and a waste of time. I shall post in my happy-go-lucky manner and we shall see if I receive any insults. They will not originate from myself as that was never how they began in the first place. So be happy, live long, and may the froth not be with you. Good old Arsenal. Good old Unai.

  58. CORNISH GOONER

    Jul 20, 2018, 20:00 #111343

    acg: thanks for your life advice matey - much appreciated! Actually I am a very happy chappy - lovely wife, dogs etc, no financial concerns BUT guilty as charged about being grumpy & judgemental outside of my family circle. It's an age thing maybe? But I have to say I dislike cider apart from cloudy scrumpy when you can get it. Doombar production moving out of Cornwall was criminal imo. A nice pint of Hicks HSD is superior anyway. Looking forward to constructive posts on AFCs new beginnings &, therefore, less vitriol spent on yesterday's divisions which still seem to be rattling along months after Arthur has left the building. Arsenal's gain looks like being Japan's loss - oui? Whoops, a bit of racist stereotyping there.

  59. markymark

    Jul 20, 2018, 19:19 #111342

    So Baddie here’s the view from me. If you use the term WOR you will attract attack . Therefore it’s up to you. You randomly drop it in and a number of posters will be after you. If you don’t use it you’ll have a stress free interaction on the site. Secondly if you randomly insult someone such as MBG , you will again find yourself under attack. I can only presume that if you continue, you simply enjoy it. At which point Ron can have a think about his hounding comments. Next thing ToOaW was repeatedly warned by me not to use children in his posts. At that point it was about my child. He then morphed those posts into a paedophillic laden posting. Am I going to be happy? ( even if that posting did not directly identify my boy? ) he’s a pervert end of. Lastly if you feel we are cowards ‘ any time baddie, any time !happy to have this discussion face to face. That is not a threat of violence but a sincere desire to remove some views of cowardice that you persistently make. Of course if you do try anything on, a price will be paid. ToOaW by the way if he appears as well , will be taking part in a very public discussion about his paedophillic post . I will bring copies of the post to hand out and discuss this very loudly in public with him. Happy to have your thoughts on this.

  60. jjetplane

    Jul 20, 2018, 18:48 #111341

    So the quite wonderful Arsene Wenger has regretted he stayed too long at Arsenal but in keeping with his saint complex he regards those 'wasted' years as akin to being kept prisoner. Trapped by his own genius and pathological commitment to Arsenal he also says 'that yes Viera and Henry could be good coaches but do they have what I had. A passion which kept me awake for two decades where I would wake at 3 am every morning with my mind meticulously wired on team selection, coaching, formations and of course mental spirit'... Over to you Pat and Terry. Well Terry has given up his day job at Sky as an expert pundit and has taken to rising before dawn in order to see what Neville has been up to ... On a lesser subject than the meditations of great men the the humble though fiery Mr Emery likes Bouldie no end. He's great around the dressing room though wondering does he sit there in stony silence as he did when the quite remarkable Arsene sat beside him in the dug out. On matters of getting to sleep it is elsewhere reported that Mesut Ozil has taken to a pod situated somewhere in eastern Turkey where he will remain until Arsenal get back into the CL. Life of the famous hey! .... Breaking news Peace talks remain in stasis on OG though normal hostilities can only be a post away.

  61. Badarse

    Jul 20, 2018, 17:38 #111340

    Good summing up Ron. Exeter, peas in our time, so olive branch extended.

  62. Exeter Ex

    Jul 20, 2018, 17:22 #111339

    Ron - I personally agree it's gone on far too long but Badarse can play a significant part in ending it by not personally insulting someone when they give a view on the ex-manager or club he doesn't like. Such as we saw earlier under this very article when mbg has gone on in his usual fashion, Badarse not mentioned, yet Badarse feels it's okay to respond by personally insulting not just mbg but his entire nation, as he has done many times now. This is not a matter of style but substantially, factually, what he has done. In this light, as an intelligent man I'm sure you can see that using the term 'Baddie bashing' for all that goes on in the exchanges is reductive, to say the least. It's a fact that no one else has made threats like Badarse has and no one else has written a 'comedic' post about arousal in front a child like TO0AW did, and it's also a fact that on any moderated site they would've both been banned for those posts. But as you say, Badarse is not going anywhere, well neither I imagine is mbg nor a few others, so if Badarse genuinely wants to just have non-antagonistic exchanges of the type he was having with you, then he'll play his part by no longer personally insulting individuals when they haven't mentioned him but just given a view he doesn't like. 'My views are my views' says Badarse and would like them to be accepted without insult. So it follows he needs to extend the same courtesy to mbg and others. But if he enjoys the antagonism and the attention this brings, then he'll carry on insulting in the fashion described above. We'll see, won't we?

  63. A Cornish Gooner

    Jul 20, 2018, 16:53 #111338

    Good afternoon CORNISH. Cheer up mate. In two years’ time you’ll be looking back at 2018 and thinking ‘what a cracking year that was’. Your post on us oldies and the country/world going to hell in a handcart reminded me of Private Frazer’s “We’re doomed”. So, no more Doom Bar. Switch to Rattler and always look on the bright cider life! I don’t have a problem with reading people’s nostalgic posts, by the way. I liked the one yesterday about Badarse not being able to knock the skin off a rice pudding. Or did I get that wrong?

  64. Yes its Ron

    Jul 20, 2018, 16:35 #111337

    cg - Baddie and myself had many an exchange way back which i s why i suggest what i do now. I dont apologise for anybody on a message site apart from myself from time to time. The reality is that most of mine and Baddies exchanges could have been avoided had we have acted a bit more maturely and controlled and had a look at each others underlying messages instead of leaping in. im of the view that the content of the exchanges now between a few of the guys and Baddie as they are have reached new lows and have gone on for too long and need ending. If that means to ignore posts, its the better way in my view. If yr post a way of saying im being a bit hypocritical by suggesting others do what i didnt, guilty as charged m lud! Fact is, Baddies not going anywhere and i long ago took the view and have oft said his failings lie in his style rather than the substance. Hes actually quite funny in quite a few of his posts. If thats being apologist, again, guilty m lud! Anythings better than these exchanges we see now though surely. No further comment on the issue by me needed, due to lack of interest in sustaining it.

  65. Badarse

    Jul 20, 2018, 16:34 #111336

    He was the best in his field. Mind, you don't get many live scarecrows. Life on the farm was kinda laid back, (Stoppit, John!), ahh, Maggie's Farm, that takes me back. 'Wish it would!' was the loud chorus.He'd tried but failed to hit a cow's bottom with a banjo Baker, that must have told him something. He was an absolute failure so all he could do was post on the OG, though he thought in all honesty that the answer lies in the soil, which is where he lay down his sleepy head, in between ruts. Phew! It didn't half take it out of you. Aye, reel bread, jus' like me mam used to make, wi' reel booda. Aye we used to gae doon t' the shops me an' mam, reet after the WOR. Then they'd only be donuts left, they'd bort all the bread. Dogs begin to bark-hound dogs howl.

  66. A Cornish Gooner

    Jul 20, 2018, 16:08 #111335

    Ron. I wasn’t going to respond to your ‘hounding’ post but after 117229!!! Sadly, you now seem to have morphed into a Badarse apologist and will probably describe it as ‘teasing’ by your fellow member of the ‘marmalade club’. I think you should consider the principle of ‘Cause and Effect’. I consider Badarse to be the cause. He sees himself as the effect. Interesting that you use a rude response “puerile and misinformed attempts at political diatribes” in the same sentence you use to criticise others for their rude responses to Badarse. Interesting too that you suggest that people should just ignore, in response to a post that you could have ignored. Maybe it was only ‘teasing’. I completely agree that it has gone on far too long. Here is an extract of a post back in March 2015: “Badarse you spend most days on here displaying your wide repertoire of insults to all who disagree with you, ranging from the mildly obtuse retort through to your most downright obnoxious one.” Do you remember it? How do you suggest this ‘hounding’ problem is solved? People like Basil Brush. They don’t like the chicken killer! He won’t listen to anybody else. It’s up to you.

  67. mbg

    Jul 20, 2018, 15:51 #111334

    markymark, funny how these racist nut jobs always come out at night late on to start spewing their vile (especially this one) when there's no one to retort, as most decent posters are where they should be, very brave indeed, and then comes sauntering back after lunch, after finishing all his jello as if nothings happened talking pure shyte thinking he's funny. Exciting times ahead.

  68. Badarse

    Jul 20, 2018, 15:12 #111333

    Ah, I remember standing in the North Bank singing, 'I was born under the North Bank Stand...' to the tune, 'Wanderin' Star' from the film 'Paint Your Wagon Wheels', (whatever size they may be). I just don't get it, but I can get back, but will never get over you. Spuriouser and spuriouser. Love those inverted commas, reported speech, ha ha. Then it is explained to me without realising it's a wind-up, as with the racist term 'Ladies', now that's a convenience. 'Did youse get your egg dis morning, Hoddle?' "I did that Waddle Den I dipped it in me marmylade, don't you know?" 'And what about the twaddle?'"Naw, he wasn't hungry." Now all lighten up, hit that switch on the wall, and in WOR HQ fire up a candle.

  69. jjetplane

    Jul 20, 2018, 14:38 #111332

    No smoke without a fire and all that malarkey & just nipped over to Le Grove who seem most obsessed with Klopp's Liverpool and their spending ambitions. Apart from that not much to report but really the Pl, CL WC are like American big sports events and no more. If you can afford the gate money and/or subscriptions then good for you but I find the whole thing nothing more than a fleeting high with little substance. As for younger audiences on forums they will be of the moneyed type and hardly representative of the kids from a poorer Islington or adjoins. Those kids will not be bothered too much as they have no link with the clubs. They have been forgotten by the march for profits. My last ST at the Arse was a Highbury one which was around the 300 quid mark of which I had two. Got rid of them before the move and very quickly watched Arsenal FC become a money making brand no different from an American equivalent. Once Wenger's big stars had left the club and the defence had withered away the club became faceless pretty quickly and now I find it hard to get up any passion for professional football in this country. Certainly would never pay to watch it on the box and never have and MOTD is just dull as dishwater and can honestly say never watched a full prog of it over the last decade and more. Pick up football snippets online which are just bites along with everything else on the Web. Will be interested to see Unai having a bash at it and at least I will not take any joy if he loses a few as I did with Wenger's end days but yes the circus with 60m goalkeepers has just become over ridiculous and laughable to the point if all the top six had a poorish season I would rejoice. Think I am more interested in what Fulham might do next season as too with Everton. Funny that I do not even bother looking at PL fixture lists that come out a bit like major supermarkets bringing out Xmas stock in August but instead check daily for what the coming season brings for Sussex county leagues. When kis the first Vase match? Who we got in the friendlies? Who has left the club? Will Langley Wanderers (happy rivals) cause a massive stir with their promotions? All this for three pound a game so looking at the PL is a bit like looking at the Opera. All very nice but hardly something to be worked up about. Good luck Unai but I believe he looks like he can steady the ship and if he keeps up with Burnley then that would be a start but still leaves the price of following such endeavours and for all the kids of the Elthorne catchment area (formerly Hungry Hill) - just keep playing and enjoying the game. The big clubs are not much different as business models to international drug cartels with as much change at the top though who can forget Escobar or indeed Wenger ......

  70. mbg

    Jul 20, 2018, 14:38 #111331

    No89, yes European influence with a lot of help from individual influence from an old fraud, and his long failed philosophies, who thought he knew it all, but he didn't and/but was so f*****g arrogant and egoistic carried on regardless, thankfully albeit seven, eight years too late paid the price with the Sack. Exciting times ahead.

  71. markymark

    Jul 20, 2018, 13:59 #111330

    wrong Ron - post 117225 not aimed at Gooner Ron

  72. markymark

    Jul 20, 2018, 13:48 #111329

    Gooner Ron - so he’s hounded is he ? This is Badarse about MBG “Oh my word MAYDUP man. All this 'old fraud', 'weasel', religious cant, and anger needs to be let go of. By the way the 'exiting times ahead', does it mean you will exit soon? Badarse scores again, so MAYDUP man has Hoddle and Waddle, his wellie boots, the rest of the WOR clique are content to wander around in Boots, whilst Badarse wins the WC 'Golden Boot' with all the goals he has scored, ha ” Where has MBG personally attacked Badarse prior? Go on have a hunt for it? This hypocritical old slug has told MBG to vacate them attacks me. Think you need to look again pal, or are you trying to say it’s only wind ups from him and hounding from us. Complete bollocks

  73. markymark

    Jul 20, 2018, 13:37 #111328

    Badarse it’s simply this - on three occasions you’ve made threats to people. No matter how pantomime they are. It’s still a threat - most sites would ban. Your pal made an inappropriate sexually charged post involving a child - should have been banned. No one else on this site has done the above . It’s not fascistic to ensure that a site is managed properly and as mentioned before your record is there in words . Do you understand that ? It’s basic forum policing whether you agree with it or not.

  74. jjetplane

    Jul 20, 2018, 13:35 #111327

    Troll 1 babbles on about his genteel discourse on here and no mention of Joe Baker for once. Slipping there! Good to see him frothing like a paid up member of his perceived rabble. Cowards on here! You do talk like a teenager at times but glad to see you have found some friends on here and may it last, well at least until the season starts or you go away saying how they persecute me Lord Wenger when all I try to do is shed some of your gracious light on their moanie little heads. Pathetic.

  75. Exiled in Pt

    Jul 20, 2018, 12:58 #111326

    Professional sportsmen and woman in general get paid too much money but so do so called actors and actresses musical performers etc. To be fair to most of these people they donate and work with charities and probably do more than most of us meer mortals do in a lifetime to help causes . Lets face it none of us would turn down the money to play any sport that we loved . Anyway roll on next Thursday and first proper test of how the team plays under the new regime .

  76. CORNISH GOONER

    Jul 20, 2018, 11:28 #111325

    Blimey, you can tell nothing much is happening on the pitch at the moment! But we should not lose sight of the fact that footie is just an interest, a sideline & part of a sports industry which has lost it's soul to £ & $ - in particular since pay TV emerged. I was very moved by the recent Beeb docu-drama in which a 19 year old kid, on a zero hours contract, committed suicide over debts which our Mesut would have taken less than an hour to redeem. A tragic loss for a family & something that makes me feel things are rotten to the core at the moment.

  77. Exeter Ex

    Jul 20, 2018, 11:20 #111324

    Let's not go down this rabbithole anymore. Yes Badarse has been an apologist over the years right up until now for a few characters with very unpleasant views due to their support for Wenger, he's never going to admit it but it's a matter of historical record on this site and the pattern is clear for anyone who could be bothered to trawl back through the archives, so that's enough. It's far better to have him wittering on about Listen With Mother and powdered eggs with a few others and just check any unprovoked attempts to goad, as I did yesterday. There was some Arsenal chat in amongst all that as well so it would've been better to have just let that play out rather than restart the antagonism. I don't think this site is ever going to appeal to that many young people as they will tend on the whole to do their Arsenal chat on Twitter and similar and though not an 'oldie' I do agree the world is clearly unravelling and saying so isn't nostalgia.

  78. Yes its Ron

    Jul 20, 2018, 11:07 #111323

    SKG - I hear you you matey. Im never sure theres a moral aspect to it all really but for me, its far simpler in that for the amounts of barmy cash there are sloshing in and out of PL football, the actual quality of the football never gets close to matching the amounts exchanged. The market in football is a distorted one because of the TV cash of course and the clubs have to pay the rates or not get the players they want as Arsenal have found out for so long, but like you, i think its distasteful that a very average sport like PL football has managed to bypass the 10 yr recession. Footballs pure Hollywood though isnt it now. For my part if i want some Hollywood i ll stick to seeing a good movie rather than indulging a bunch of largely dense footballers with limited ability and in many cases, very limited credentials as men. I still like to see a bit of football of course, but ive gone down the JJ route this last few years and enjoy seeing some non league stuff as the only live games i go to now. Theres no link between the clubs and the paying fans now (was there ever really much of one?) and hasnT been for years, but those who are happy to be fleeced in return for a shoddy return pays their money and makes their choice of course. The new Man U kit at £183 a shot is another eg of the clubs disregard for the fans. Its all a bit of a farce really. The bubble will burst though eventually im sure and only then will football take a hard look at itself as it had to do in Germany 15 years back. As far as there being a separate site for those of us who look at Arsenal PLC and football generally in a less than glowing light, i say we re more than entitled to have our say on this site. It might not make for happy reading for them, but they can just ignore us if they so wish. If us 'silver gooners' bore them, i d just say its no worse or no more tedious than looking at puerile and misinformed attempts at political diatribes wrapped up incessant Baddie hounding every time we log on, because in my view that trend has gone on for far too long as im sure many will agree and testify to.

  79. Badarse

    Jul 20, 2018, 10:33 #111322

    In response Wagon Wheels have got smaller and I see there is only one on your wagon, but of course you are still 'rolling along', and the Beezer was the year of your lord 1956. Thank you for the history lesson but who writes the history? How is history interpreted? Yesterday's moves are just that, the past. The zeitgeist set the attitudes as it does today. There is nothing wrong about a site appealing more to youngsters it's how you couch it. The third post called for the 'young' aspect, the previous two were criticisms of 'age' and 'interests'. They are therefore linked, that is obvious. If no intent then I would suggest more care in your style of posting, but I have explained this to you before and it seems nothing sticks. Your post was a scatter-gun. It was all over the place with vague and not so vague accusations, as per the norm, and littered with events and names of yesteryear. You are unremitting in your angst and hunting, it is cowardly and it does border fascism when you want to ban and isolate individuals when you are yourself, along with your clique, far from innocent in these matters. However never have I asked for your head, and never shall. Though I wouldn't mind a few teeth, ha ha. That is a joke by the way so don't start with the 'Marathon Man' avenue. Anyway glad you had a few days off, it clearly relaxed you and set you back on your feet, ready to charge in frothing all over the place. As said often it is hilarious when you list a couple of posters down the years who were not anti Arsene Wenger, as 'bad' people I supported(?). Yet you collude with some very dodgy characters and they also. The fact that there are a clique all singing the same tune doesn't make the song any more melodic. Get this if nothing else, might doesn't make for right. Majority may win crumby referendums but invariably it is the lone voice who changes the world with sense and understanding.

  80. markymark

    Jul 20, 2018, 8:01 #111321

    Badarse that’s two postings on the trot where your calling people Nazis and Cowards for an opinion that doesn’t match your own. Now I’m sure I’ve seen that somewhere before? Anyway it would be very simple to call you a knobend and be done with it but let’s start with the Nazi bit first shall we? 1: is it Nazis like behaviour to approve racists and white supremacists ? A man for instance who used the term pollywog ( I know it’s a naval term but we know what he meant) who talked about slaves and Kikes . Do you say “he was funny he scattered the WOR” 2: is it Alt Right Nazi lite ? to randomly post the Jews are misguided? No point of reference, no general discussion about religion being misguided , no, just have a random anti Semitic post . 3: How do you stand with the Labour Party refusing to accept the IRHA’s definition of Anti Semitism ? Looking at the above I’d suggest Badarse that 1: Er yes that was you . 2: I’m afraid it’s you again. 3: Anyone’s guess, but I suspect you’ll find a reason to support Corbyn over the IRHA. In general despite your self professed genius I found your summing up of why Germans voted the Nazis into power as the sort of thing a teacher would tell 11 year olds . If you want to give us history lessons I’d actually suggest reading up on the subject. You might be surprised to learn that the Nazis actually transported the majority of the communist leaders to the USSR. Stalin decided he couldn’t trust them and so executed them on mass. The German people’s acceptance of Nazism was based on a pragmatic desire for order . ( Pre Wannasee ) the propaganda machine then worked overdrive to push the efforts of the final solution post Wannasee. Never forget Baddie though we call them Nazi’s the official title is NSDAP , the S being Socialist the term Socialist was a very real part of of early Nazism and ended with the night of the long knives as the call for a second revolution against all business owners was crushed by Hitler. Perched in your chair with no doubt a wry smile on your face. I highly suspect you would have voted for an Otto Strasser type figure who provided a very left wing platform of Nazism. He wanted to befriend Russia and put power in control of the workers. His papers massively outsold Goebbels propaganda sheets , which led to his downfall. I suspect you’d have put up with his anti semitism based on “Jewish Capital” as you’d have felt happy enough with redistribution. Moving onto your bleat about cowardice. Why is it cowardly to suggest a sporting site should be made more appealing to the younger crowd ? God it’s not all about you is it? Football itself has a big problem with remaining relevant to younger children with digital / tech entertainment everywhere. Even David Lauren has said their fashion empire is most threatened by tech. You’ve said yourself you struggle with the internet ? Take a look Baddie at the slickness of the Le Grove pod casts , take a look at Arseblog. The Gooner Podcasts are very good by the way. But they are good because their relevant they are not talking about how Wagon Wheels have got smaller or the Beezer in 1958. There is no cowardice to it and BTW SKG is a formidable silver surfer. You in comparison are just a dull old man.

  81. Badarse

    Jul 20, 2018, 1:34 #111320

    jjingoballs and Nark. Calling jingoballs and Nark. Now cowards, tell Ron and SKG to push off to another site as they are also too old. Prove you are only lily-livered, not just lilywhites.

  82. Badarse

    Jul 20, 2018, 1:09 #111319

    What cowards the Nark and jjingoballs. Don't like a poster so use the subject matter to offer a sideswipe at him, whilst carefully avoiding any others involved in the post exchanges. You are so transparently wishy washy gentlemen. You Nark display your fascist tendencies again and again. Get rid of the old ones! Are you a Blade Runner Bean? Now as Nos89 suggested, grow up! Hang on Badarse! I'd prefer for them to grow down, and down, and down.

  83. Nos89

    Jul 20, 2018, 0:10 #111318

    Given I'm 12 world cups old, I'm hoping to be around for at least another 12. I enjoyed this one, not the best one but one of the top 3 in my lifetime, '82 being the best as it was a footballing feast never to be repeated because Brazil will never play their own style ever again, it's European influence has erased any kind of national individualism. Nobody really knows how to defend anymore so the goals were flying in. With the competition expanding to 48 nations for the 2022 world cup should see some bizarre scorelines. It was great to see different teams in the semi finals. First time ever neither Brazil, Argentina or Germany reached the last four and the whole competition was the better for it. England exceeding expectations was a joy, although I'm not under any illusion that southgates team would have won the whole thing. An over reliance on key players that were tired or knackered led to the teams demise. Although this feels more like the start of something rather than the end of something. Also, for the first time since the premier league started I saw the players as England players, rather than the clubs they represent. That was a welcome change. Finally, why does everything have to be aimed at a younger audience? They just need to grow up and respect the oldies.

  84. markymark

    Jul 19, 2018, 21:50 #111317

    Paedoman - now you love being centre of attention. Anyway afraid you don’t know me too well. The Gooner is good but Le Grove is actually better. Other sites I use are better run and would have banned you a long time ago. In my view the Gooner needs a revamp and should aim for a younger audience.

  85. markymark

    Jul 19, 2018, 21:26 #111316

    No worries Cornish an aggressive sideswipe from me to just pull in a few loose threads or meandering the “worlds gone to pot type stirrings “ However things are obviously crazy with old Trump trying to say Wouldn’t instead of would but still trusting Putin over his security network. As always the human story brings out sadness. I felt very sorry for the poor victim in this . Trying to recover her life after no doubt losing her children through drink / maybe drug addiction. Still motherly according to the refuge residents. Her partner also likely to have had problems appeared caring. For the want of a little pleasure in her life she sprays a perfume they’ve found ion her wrists. Just a little simple innocent pleasure that ends in her death . Dreadfully sad. Here’s an amazing fact for you courtesy of the recent Wenger interview. Mr David Dein ( permatan man) has visited the vast majority of UK prisons to talk to prisoners as part of rehibilitation programmes . Now I always had a soft spot for DD. But that is impressive . Back over to the WOE is me brigade:)

  86. TOOAW

    Jul 19, 2018, 21:16 #111315

    Oh dear narkyboy. Criticising your beloved forum. Now lets see...... is it because you are not centre of attention?

  87. jjetplane

    Jul 19, 2018, 20:44 #111314

    Well at least he clears our confusion up with his Nobel prize winning lectures on the problems that face us all in a fractured society where the rich ..... zzzzzzzzzzzz Good old comics indeed. It's either that or the golf. Golf anyday.

  88. CORNISH GOONER

    Jul 19, 2018, 20:34 #111313

    Markmark, I understand your frustration but there is bugger all going on in the world of Arsenal at the moment, although for once I am really looking forward to the new season. But try to indulge us old guys a bit - the world is in a ****ty state & in the UK everything has been up for sale since 1980 but I never thought I would see the day when an American hedge fund would be allowed to buy AC Milan ffs. This really hurts me as the Italy side of 1982 is one of my absolute favourites. It's not nostalgia, things really are going down the pan.

  89. markymark

    Jul 19, 2018, 19:44 #111312

    Why don’t we set up a site for those with a vague interest in Arsenal , or never go , or actually hate Arsenal or actually have no interest in Arsenal whatsoever and talk political ****e all day, pretending that their bollocks actually has any affect whatsoever. Hang about I think I might just have found the perfect forum.......

  90. Badarse

    Jul 19, 2018, 19:07 #111311

    Evening SKG. I said earlier that you have to compare like with like. Footballers' wages are not linked to the couple living on the edge. In a capitalist society if an area of commerce is allowed to run unabated as in the bankers, now football, then disparities will appear. Add to that an uncaring government hell bent on reining in resources and spending, overpopulation tossed in for good measure, plus companies paying poor wages and being applauded for it as a way of propping up a failing economy then these situations will often occur. They are all around us. There are streets in London so polluted that they are a serious danger to health for the young and elderly. Three times I believe this government have been taken to the European Court, three times had their bottoms smacked and yet they do nothing. It is cheaper to pay a fine than address the problem on behalf of the citizens. A big reason why they want to leave the EU, then they can ignore at will anything they want without paying a fine. Now what can you compare polluted air to? I know, that mob down the Lane.

  91. mbg

    Jul 19, 2018, 19:04 #111310

    Sorearse, I see where you'd like me, and others to do just that and let go and indeed forget, you and other wengerites would just love that wouldn't you, but like I told that other wengerite (were no nurses available at the time to read it for/to you) I don't need to let go, I never embraced the old weasel in the first place, unlike you and who still does, and I certainly don't have to forget, as again unlike you and your ilk who forgave him everything, even if you woke up and caught him having a crap on your knee, I'll never never forget or forgive him for the embarrassments and humiliations and everything else that went with them the useless old weasel, and maybe never will especially as it annoys and gets to the likes of you so much, but i'll make sure your the last to know, so don't hold your breath. Thank God he's gone, exciting times ahead.

  92. Badarse

    Jul 19, 2018, 18:48 #111309

    Like that SKG. Ron the Grapes of Wrath are a must read for those who voted Leave on the grounds of, '...foreigners...'. It is natural human nature as the book will show with the brutalisation of those from Oklahoma, the 'Oakies'. Natural but unrestrained human nature based on selfishness. Steinbeck my favourite author, but he doesn't make my top three influential/explanatory/good reads.

  93. Seven Kings Gooner 1

    Jul 19, 2018, 18:47 #111308

    Ron : the sums of money in football have to make any fan question the morality of it all. Liverpool are going to buy a keeper for 60 million and on the tele at lunchtime a couple in Bristol, both working, are living in a van because the cost of renting is prohibitive. Sometimes I forget where I came from and it takes a story like that to bring me back to earth.

  94. mbg

    Jul 19, 2018, 18:14 #111307

    GoonerRon, yea i'll make sure and do that alright.

  95. mbg

    Jul 19, 2018, 18:01 #111306

    SKG 1, as most of us know now you've been back quite a while now, but I suppose those who go away with a sorearse and in a huff for a while on a regular basis wouldn't, but i'm sure those couple of statements has really made your day.

  96. Seven Kings Gooner 1

    Jul 19, 2018, 17:59 #111305

    Ron & Badarse "Grapes of Wrath" in my household is a term we use for the old "metric miles" and bloody painful they can be too!

  97. mbg

    Jul 19, 2018, 17:44 #111304

    I see the waster Wilshire is telling all an sundry, how he missed playing at the WC and wished he'd have been there (he could have bought a ticket like everyone else)he tells us he watched an England game while on holiday in Ibiza and another while in a bar with fans, yeah that would be right, with a pint in one hand and a fag in the other no doubt, a lot less of those type of holidays in the past, and with a proper manager you might have been there with the team you little pr**k. Exciting times ahead.

  98. Badarse

    Jul 19, 2018, 14:13 #111303

    Firstly, welcome home Cyril. That isn't a stick of Blackpool rock, it's an olive branch. So many things need re-evaluating Ron. The rate of change is accelerative, the old universe is rushing apart faster and faster. This isn't to mean we at the OG may drop into a black hole any time soon, but we need to try to move with it. Telly, games consoles, modern cinema and the popcorn crunching people. Phones everywhere, air pollution. You name it, it all needs constantly reviewing. I liken modern life to those old Sunday Night at the London Palladium acts with the spinning plates. Take your eyes off one slowing down and it crashes to the floor. Come join me on my hill, ha ha. We can watch the sun going down and the eyes in our heads will see the world spinning around.

  99. Yes its Ron

    Jul 19, 2018, 13:59 #111302

    Hi Baddie. Good stuff. Ive never got round to G of W. I must do so. You've mentioned it before. Yr post has just made me more intent on reading it! On the footie point, as you know i ve gone to go on to be more generalist with it now and like to see all teams play when i can. Say this to most people though and its immediately interpreted to mean im no longer a real Gunners follower! Its true in the sense that i rarely go to any games now, but the red shirt and white sleeves always remains numero 1. The new TV soaked, cash laden game has made so many fans adopt unhealthy attitudes and expectations of and to their teams and 'winning' in my view. This is what i meant when i said many were fickle. TV has brainwashed people to a degree but we know dont we that most presentations through a TV screen these days is about mind bending and conditioning rather than informing. I often get the stage where i think the TV can go in the next rubbish skip i need from time to time and be done with it. I ll get there eventually matey!

  100. Cyril

    Jul 19, 2018, 13:56 #111301

    Hi Ron, this a great read today. Has anyone mentioned Scholes. I put him as world class. He cut his England career short but he was the man. Zidane rated him as the best he’d come across and there weren’t many better than him in that era. He just controlled games. Your take on 89, makes me want to watch Fever Pitch again. I’m please you have that memory Ron. Your right, those moments will never be topped. I’ve fallen out of love with the club in recent years and I’m not sure I will ever feel the same. Partly as I am getting older but mostly for other reasons. I just hope the younger generation can get that magical feeling. I’d like to see Arsenal give free tickets to the youngsters until a certain age or have some sort of ‘free school meal’ system for kids. It doesn’t take too much effort to employ a small team of assessors to look at income and expenditure claims and award a kind of benefit or discount to the head of family. Club supporters wouldn’t begrudge that. Get those youngsters in as they are the future. They have plenty of money and will continue to coin it in.

  101. Badarse

    Jul 19, 2018, 13:32 #111300

    Ron you are so correct in what you say. My brief statement was an oversimplification of times changing-evolution. You are right too though, the other side of the coin is that we change. Some things lessen and other things strengthen in our needs and desires. We grow, sometimes sideways, ha ha, but not necessarily up or down, just altering with new interests, seeing with different eyes perhaps. Whatever it is that holds you in it's grip, a game, a first visit to an opera, a book, a period of time, is unique and valuable beyond any obvious wealth. I remember finishing the 'Grapes of Wrath', and as I closed the cover just said out loud, 'Wow!' and repeated it quietly to myself a few times, such was it's impact. That lingering effect stays with me and is virtually impossible to translate, but I still might try, and be hopeful someone else shares that emotion and can connect in the same manner. Have enjoyed these posts, thanks guys.

  102. Yes its Ron

    Jul 19, 2018, 12:40 #111299

    Hi Tony - Anfield had been a graveyard for us for yrs hadnt it till then and that made it so good.The best part of it was that it was pressure free for us fans as nobody thought we could do it did they deep down. Liverpool choked really.In Fairness to Arsene its only been his years where we ever got to the stage where we could go there and expect to get a result. Our record there is good this last 20 years or so, though there is the odd thraping in there amongst the good results as well.

  103. TonyEvans

    Jul 19, 2018, 12:29 #111298

    Hi Ron - really envious of anyone lucky enough to have been at Anfield THAT night. I was reduced to watching on tv with my best Arsenal mate. I wanted to 'jump into the tv' to be with the fans up there, and when the tv coverage finished it was a strange feeling being high as kite on emotion but sat in my front room by ourselves!

  104. Exiled in Pt

    Jul 19, 2018, 12:04 #111297

    Ron greatest night of football for me ,couldnt go to Anfield that night. Was at the Derby and Wimbledon games where we thought we had blown it . Your right nothing will ever quite have the same tension during and the unbelievable high after .I still jump around like an idiot when i watch the game again

  105. Yes its Ron

    Jul 19, 2018, 11:41 #111296

    True enough Baddie. Its us that change though as much as the times in which we live. Life changes. We develop and our interests and focus and priorities change as society does. Fact is for me though is that football in whatever period we go to now wont press my buttons as it once did. I fought the reality of this until i finally stopped going regularly in 2012. Football once had far too big a priority in my life and todays version of it couldnt ever do the same even i was free of the responsibilities that i have now, that i didnt have back then. JJ - good stuff matey. I went to both games in the Vase that year 1989. The first game was at Wembley and was a 0-0. Recall the players playing the game condensed in the centre of the big pitch ha ha. They werent used to it of course but at Peterboro it was a cracker of a game. An old pal of mine from Uni played for Tamworth at the time and his Dad was a trainer for them but he didnt get in the team to play that Final for them in either game sadly. They were a really good side though. Blew Sudbury away in the replay.

  106. Exeter Ex

    Jul 19, 2018, 11:40 #111295

    I see Badarse is having decent interactions with SKG and Ron, no one is attacking anything he says... yet still that isn't enough, still he must persist with the 'WOR clique' stuff, trying to goad. I don't know further proof is needed that he brings all that opprobrium on himself. He seems to need it.

  107. Badarse

    Jul 19, 2018, 11:24 #111294

    Hi Ron great story, hang on to those memories. Thing is the world has changed. Many things from today cannot ever be compared with those of yesteryear. I think you have to let it go buddy. It is the past and gone, it no longer exists except in memory, and those die with us. That isn't to say you give up the fight, but it needs to be re-honed, and re-directed. The choice of sitting with head in hands wishing for yesterday, or accepting the change and trying to reshape aspects which are less than acceptable are the stark options. I am able to accept for instance that Highbury burned it's impression into me, my essence holds it there. I also am able to recognise that we moved into and onto a new pristine stadium without those connections, but it was plain and simple evolution. The campaign to 'Arsenalise' the stadium worked beyond my expectations. That's what I mean. 26th May 1989 is with us still, it is a part of the fabric which is Arsenal. We, us old grey beards, cannot supplant those yellow and blue memories into the young Guns, but we can at least try to impress upon them in any small way what that night meant, and where it fits into the history of AFC; then it's legacy passes to the next group of Gooners, those young Guns I speak of. Yet what a night. Against all the odds we triumphed and came through the fire unscathed. Good old Arsenal.

  108. jjetplane

    Jul 19, 2018, 11:21 #111293

    The FA Vase is very much alive & I see a few games of it every season now & we had a decent run about three years ago with some cracking games against county teams up and down the country. Got to the semis where we had a 1500 strong crowd but knocked out by eventual winners. In the lower leagues there are quite a few cup competitions so football is still not just about the big boys and the excitement and hope is still there for a few of us each season. Not too dissimilar to watching Arsenal in the 60s for 5p though the crowds were bigger but still that sense of proper football played by lads who just love playing. Bit like Armstrong on the wing. Looking forward to the Vase this coming season more than the FA Cup and here's hoping.

  109. Yes its Ron

    Jul 19, 2018, 10:57 #111292

    Lads, speaking as one who went to Anfield that night, its maybe a bit melodramatic but in a sense some of us now with hindsight think that our 'careers' as Gunners fans perhaps ended that night for the simple reason it was never going to get better! It was just one title i know and today the ECL seems to be the holy grail, the pinnacle of supporting a club but it wasnt back then, but for me Arsenal simply cant do anything that will surpass that night, not only for the night and the result but for the memories of the day, the journey, the travel back to Loughboro and the mayhem in the stadium that we fans quite simply took over. The irony was that i only went to due a Uni friend who was a Utd supporter, who had a Brother in the army who followed Liverpool but he was abroad. I had his ticket, started in amongst Liverpool fans (there were many of us who did!) and gradually worked my way across to our fans. I lost a new pair of specs that night, knocked off my face as the mayhem broke out as Mickey scored. Didnt care, it didnt matter. The place went wild and i was about 10 yards further forward 10 secs after the ball hit the net.The journey back was eventful to say the least stopping at the services etc in the old knackered vauxhall chevette we d travelled up there in. It was a delirious day and no 'match day experience' will ever get close. Arsenal could win the World Cup and for me, it wouldn't beat that night especially given how it was just fate that enabled me to go. I recall feeling a bit of a fraud at the time as i d only been to about 6 home games that Season and maybe 2 away matches, but who cares. History was made and i was there!!!!. Good days. a few days later (or was it before) i went to Peterboro to the see the FA Vase (does that still exist?) replay between Sudbury and Tamworth. What a cracking match and atmosphere between 2 really good non league teams at a packed Posh stadium. I think Tamworth won about 3 nil but cant be sure. Can recall Iam Moores the old spurs centre forward playing for them though. He looked true class at that level of footie. Football had soul back then, so did the fans and players, unlike today's sterile rubbish and fickle (in the main) supporters.

  110. Badarse

    Jul 19, 2018, 10:51 #111291

    Oh my word MAYDUP man. All this 'old fraud', 'weasel', religious cant, and anger needs to be let go of. By the way the 'exiting times ahead', does it mean you will exit soon? Badarse scores again, so MAYDUP man has Hoddle and Waddle, his wellie boots, the rest of the WOR clique are content to wander around in Boots, whilst Badarse wins the WC 'Golden Boot' with all the goals he has scored, ha ha.

  111. GoonerRon

    Jul 19, 2018, 10:32 #111290

    @ mbg - you need to watch the film ‘Frozen’ and take heed of the signature song from the soundtrack.

  112. Badarse

    Jul 19, 2018, 9:21 #111289

    Morning SKG, what a lovely touch from the family. We have more in common than others might think. One of my grandsons was born on the 26th May, so it is a permanent reminder. I bought a yellow Gooner shirt years ago, '...charging through the midfield, it's Thomas...'. On the back it has the date in bold type and more words. My little grandson was always perplexed when I wore it and he saw his birthdate. I told him it was the most special day in Arsenal history and he was satisfied with that knowledge, and that somehow it links him to the Arsenal. We all need to be linked to someone or something, Arsenal answers that for Gooners, doesn't it? No matter where you are in the world seeing another Gooner or seeing a result can really connect you, sometimes in a very strange and ethereal way. Nothing like it in my book.

  113. Seven Kings Gooner 1

    Jul 19, 2018, 8:44 #111288

    Morning Badarse, In the book Fever Pitch, Nick H describes the guttural scream he let out when Thomas scored at Anfield. He described it as a cleansing moment after so many years of frustration. My two sons always text me on that day with the immortal "Happy 26th Pops" it really is like a birthday for all Gooners.

  114. mbg

    Jul 18, 2018, 22:42 #111287

    Ashley Cole top three in his position in the world, and who did the weasel wenger flog, not want, for the sake of 5, 6, 7, G's and the sake of his new vanity, pet project and long long failed project youth, all because he thought he was God and had it in him could go it alone, (and of course not forgetting because Ashley, and others, were winners and could undermine him, and weren't afraid to do so) and look where that got him, yes that was very astute of the old fraud indeed. Exiting times ahead.

  115. Badarse

    Jul 18, 2018, 19:00 #111286

    Evening SKG. Isn't it funny how a word or a phrase can set you off in a direction, with memories flooding in to submerge you? I saw the stage play Fever Pitch, (twice), and the lad opened the evening by coming to centre stage and saying, '26th May 1989!' The audience spontaneously erupted and began cheering, big beaming faces and the show was off with a bang.His patter was that it was incredible that a date could be mentioned to elicit that kind of response. How many other clubs, if any, have a date inscribed on their 'white sleeves' that means so much? I remember the old mangle in the yard, with the posh and gleaming galvanised tub/bath hanging from the wall at my nan's. Rice pudding coming out of the oven and being placed on the table in the scullery. Yummy, with that tasty singed crust, and grandad sitting in a collarless shirt, his collar on the side to be washed and starched. Are we that old? Ha, ha. What wallies, but great memories. Nice to have you back by the way.

  116. Seven Kings Gooner 1

    Jul 18, 2018, 18:45 #111285

    Bardarse "Weskit" I can hear my nan asking me when I bought my first tonic mohair suit on a Provident cheque "are you having a weskit with it?" there is a word from way back in time!

  117. Badarse

    Jul 18, 2018, 16:23 #111284

    Only One, it was 1948, Arsenal crowned Champions of England shortly after my arrival. Good old Arsenal.

  118. Badarse

    Jul 18, 2018, 16:00 #111283

    He had gone to the local hop; he found it beside the chip shop, and also found it a bit tiring, as a lot of others did, all that hopping on one leg only holds your interest for a short while, besides you spill your drinks. As he left he stooped to conquer, he thought it could easily be a sixer. He'd developed a limp, all that hopping perhaps, then he realised he was walking with one foot on the kerb and the other in the gutter; strange days indeed, mama! He passed WOR HQ and saw a window open. Luckily he had knotted sheets around his waist, (or his west), so it might be easier to get in. Though he found scrambling into a downstairs window proved more difficult with the sheets in the way. Once inside he gazed in AWe. Dark Moany of the Week was pinned to the notice board, he thought it fitting but quite cruel all the same. He passed the sink but didn't think it had since the last time he'd seen it. On the wall was scribbled "We hates Ivan, I-pods, I-phones, and eye tests." He couldn't quite see the point in that. Just then a dog barked and a few Moanies howled. It was time to cut away, so he took a knife and cut a way, out through the door. He'd wished it was a jar.

  119. Yes its Ron

    Jul 18, 2018, 15:40 #111282

    GR - Hi I see yr point there. 'WC' is a strange concept isnt it. Cole must be close as you say. 'WC' is like an elephant i think. Cant really be described very well but when you see one you know for sure its an elephant. Baddie - my Dad called them 'wescoots' too. I dont think Gerrard and Ferdinand stood out in a clear way that they were any better and deserving of being elevated above the 'very good' PL player level. Did Gerrard ever shine like a beacon amongst the ordinariness of his England and Liverpool teams? I dont think so. I saw him many times as im sure you did and i cant ever recall him really running through Arsenal even. He was a bit of a flat track bully in my view, though the media dont see him that way. Theyve kissed his backside for years.

  120. Exiled in Pt

    Jul 18, 2018, 15:34 #111281

    Ron, would agree maybe with Samson , not sure about Cashley or Gerrard although very very good players. I would put Pallister and Adams before Ferdinand all very good players but in my opinion none world class!

  121. Badarse

    Jul 18, 2018, 15:13 #111280

    Gooner Ron that is a very astute way of assessing. I think it sounds correct to me and our own Kenny Sansom, along with Cashley were quite special. By the way Ron I understand waistcoats, (my grandad called them 'weskits'), are on sale at Primark. I can see you in one, wearing it over your running vest, the one printed, 'If found please carry to the finish line' and on the back, '...then carry to the nearest pub.'.

  122. GoonerRon

    Jul 18, 2018, 15:03 #111279

    My personal definition of world class is a player who is amongst the top 3 is his position in the World. On that basis at various times you could say Kenny Sansom, Bryan Robson, Ashley Cole, Rio Ferdinand and Steven Gerrard could be in the mix.

  123. Yes its Ron

    Jul 18, 2018, 14:41 #111278

    Baddie - yr right. I think Southgate charmed the media a treat by the look of it. Hooked them, worse his best suit,drew them in, blew them a kiss or 2 and Bobs yr Uncle, all of a sudden dull England are great and have much to be 'proud' of. Had Fat Allardyce have took that team as far, the response would have been far different and to be honest, he would probably have done as well but been sacked afterwards as they looked for a 'new modern Coach' to 'take England forward'!

  124. Exiled in Pt

    Jul 18, 2018, 14:11 #111277

    To early for me the 70 WC all though have seen enough of that Brazilian team to of fallen in love with the way they played the game. Have to say 82 Brazil was probably best team not to of won it and the semi final showed what a world class player Rossi was. Biggest memory of that WC has to be Falcao's goal celebration in that game . As for world class players Hoddle probably nearest to being one ?

  125. Badarse

    Jul 18, 2018, 14:01 #111276

    Afternoon Tony Evans, Ron and a delight to hear from SKG again. Of course I saw the '66 WC in colour by being there, ha ha. My first colour telly was in time for the '74 WC, the great Netherlands side, and the remarkable Gerd Mueller, der Bomber. Of course Bonetti did make a mistake as I remember for a goal in '70, then it was as if it was scripted that England would lose. Am glad I left the WCs behind, along with the Olympics, Euro Champs etc., I genuinely feel liberated. No logistics, no blind loyalties towards Sours players etc., distancing myself from the grannies wearing their free Enger-land plastic hats, those flags, the nationalism seen often with white van man, the hype from the media and the ultimate disappointment from an underperforming side. Am always pleased when others get joy from something I'm not really interested in, like Ron with his cricket-is it named Jiminy, Ron? I do wish people were not so easily sucked in though. A team that played 7, won 3, (2 in first 2 games, then only 1 in the following 5), drew 1, and lost 3, failing to score in 2. Not so fantastic in my book. This desperate desire to paper over the cracks of disharmony in society by lionising ordinary footballers and an ordinary team is beyond the pale. Still as JL said, whatever gets you through the night, is alright.

  126. Yes its Ron

    Jul 18, 2018, 13:58 #111275

    Tony - you missed Peter Reid ha ha .... no, youre bang on right i think there. Gascoigne could have been a true great had he have been better blessed between the ears perhaps? Redshirts - yes matey, a fantastic side. I loved to see Socrates play bck then. He was one of those players who had an aura on the pitch that made other players shrink, like Beckenabaur had. Not many have that. Ronaldo has it though i suppose but i think hes slightly in decline now. He ll do very well in the more cerebral football of Serie A though i think. A very shrewd move by Juve and him i hope. I shall try and see the Juve game when Fiorentina play them.

  127. TonyEvans

    Jul 18, 2018, 13:43 #111274

    You're right Ron that Italian side was superb, yet never get a mention because of the incredible 1970 Brazilian team overshadowing them. Jumping in to the English greats since the days of Banks, Charlton and Moore debate I agree no one has been truly world class. Bryan Robson, Gascgoine, Shilton and Lineker come closest maybe, for me, but still fall short of being really top drawer. Have I forgotten anyone else?

  128. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Jul 18, 2018, 13:42 #111273

    Great recollections of the 70 World Cup lads, unfortunately too young to have seen that tournament and the great Brazilian side. The best World Cup I can recall was 1982 and that Brazilian team of Zico, Eder, Socrates, Falcao, Junior etc really caught my imagination as a youngster, playing the kind of unbelievable attacking football I'd never seen before. The best international side I've ever seen and how they blew it against the Italians and didn't go on to win it I will never know

  129. Yes its Ron

    Jul 18, 2018, 13:25 #111272

    Tony - theyve had the indian sign on England ever since - Germany, though lets face it, theyve not had much to beat have they in truth. Muller was some striker. Ramsey took Charlton off to 'save him' for the semi Final. He was in his 30s then. He went off and Beckanabaur ran England ragged after being shackled by Charlton up to then. The media blamed Bonetti though as they still loved Ramsey then, but it wasnt his fault. They love scapegoat though.I dont think that 70 Eng team would have got past Italy in the semi. The Italian team was an outstanding side but never gets a mention since because of the great brazilians. Facchetti, Luigi Riva, Gianni Rivera and such like were great players.

  130. Seven Kings Gooner 1

    Jul 18, 2018, 13:02 #111271

    Hi Kev - great reports from a really enjoyable WC and I would take 4 more WC now if required to do so - very melancholy I know. The 66 world was great but was seen in black & white however the 70 WC was seen at my then girlfriend's house in colour (now my wife of 45 years) sat with my two brother in law's and watched late into the night some of the best ever football. Pele's dummy on the keeper (and he missed) and the beautiful blue of the Italian shirts, Gerson's thunderbolt, Tostao's wonderful link up play, like a false centre forward and that beautiful 4th in the final by Carlos Alberto. It helped wipe out the memory of Bonetti's nightmare for England against Germany.Talking of false centre forwards, France have won it this year with a centre forward who never scored a goal and were gifted a penalty, hope Arsenal have France's kind of luck in the coming season. Have great summer lads.

  131. Yes its Ron

    Jul 18, 2018, 12:59 #111270

    Agree Baddie. Yes, i d go further and suggest that we ve not really had any clear and universally recognised so called World class players in the Eng side since those 3. Its open to debate as you say though. I only saw a few of the highlights of games before i went away this time but Modric has always been a quality player hasnt he. He was great for Spurs. Youre quite right about Englands players now. A few are quite good, but none are particularly special as i see them, inc Kane who s a very good Prem league striker, no more than that. He grafts hard though. Ive still got the SKY and the BT stuff Baddie. Its ironic isnt it, but the more i see of football and its coverage, by SKY in particular, the more i drift away from football. Its TV cash and the silly hype that has made football the shallow, spurious product that it is for me these days. I keep the SKY for its cricket coverage alone really and to a certain degree for its Serie A coverage. They do the cricket quite well in fairness. The SKY 'transfer centre', its 'build ups' and its stupid 'count downs' and Super Sundays' - all hideously bad. The SKY sports 'news' - even worse, especially in the manner of its delivery by condescending Man city Mike (i think thats his name) and the blonde who seems only to own 2 dresses, both dreadful ones? in the mornings. Awful! ha ha. I should really cancel it, as only really see Arsenal games in the main anyway.

  132. TonyEvans

    Jul 18, 2018, 12:40 #111269

    Hi Ron and Badarse - the 1970 World Cup is my first real football memory and I agree it hasn't been bettered. Arguably the England squad was better than in 66 with players like Bell, Franny Lee, Osgood and Mullery coming in to contention. My first gut wrenching football disappointment when we threw away the 2 goal lead against Germany. Downhill straight away after that for England wasn't it - not even qualifying again until 1982!

  133. Badarse

    Jul 18, 2018, 11:38 #111268

    Ron I agree, as I believe most footballing aficionados would, (wait for the criticisms to that word), that 1970 was the high point. Difficult to measure as so many aspects come into play, but it was an era when players never wrestled another to the ground without recompense, when pure skill on the ball was allowed by the rules as they were then. No need for Sky or BT hype, it was there for all to see. As an aside in '66 England were generally recognised as having three world class players, Banks, Moore and Bobby Charlton. This time around they had none. A big statement in that alone. My favourite player at the WC was Modric and was pleased to see him collect the Best Player Award. We have spoken before about older players and when I see Modric I always ponder on whether George Eastham would be able to compete with him in the modern game. Similar stature, similar skill level, just how it would play out is the question.

  134. Yes its Ron

    Jul 18, 2018, 10:40 #111267

    Hi Kev - nice post and makes us think re how many WCs left to see. Morbid! For my part ive hardly bothered with it since 1990 to be honest. I ll always cherich seeing most of the 1970 WC on tele and that fabulous Brazil side. The greatest WC ever in my view and im pleased to be able to recall it. I dont think any has come close since really though 1982 was good. Ive some Italian roots from my Mom s side and as such tend to favour the Azzuri. Its oft forgotten that in 1970, the Itlaians had little time to prepare for the Final in that altitude after their semi whereas Brazil did and in the end the Italians ran out of gas.. I always have the view it might have been different had the preparation suited Italy better. We ll never know though and that side with Pele, Gerson, Rivelinho, Jairzinho Clodoaldo Carlos Alberto Tostao and Co were great Champions.The last great Samba side to be produced.

  135. Badarse

    Jul 18, 2018, 9:20 #111266

    Good morning Kev. Thanks for all the reports and to end with a very poignant one was quite fitting; just bringing the curtain down. Milestones are always around us, though the WCs are as good as any and better than most. As stated being present at the '66 WC Final and being aware that those 92k present are a fast-dwindling group I have my own personal hook with passing years. Moscow Gooner has much intelligence and info regarding Russia and it's people-generally good people, it is the government which is dodgy, but hey, we've got one of those! Glad you enjoyed your experiences, now you have to cater for Qatar. Good old Arsenal.

  136. mbg

    Jul 17, 2018, 18:59 #111260

    It's all very Similar to the new dawn the AKB wengerites were always waiting on and predicting For Arsenal and their messiah, this is our season/WC, this is our year/WC, waiting on TOF to come good etc, after a couple of wins it's on/it's coming home. I see England are thinking of bidding for the 2030 WC ? that could be the/our year, thank f**k wengers gone.

  137. jjetplane

    Jul 17, 2018, 18:18 #111258

    Big ups too for Senegal and Japan for clearing up the stands after their games and their dressing rooms after and leaving thank you notes for the hosts. Peru also for all those matches ago who were uniquely exciting going forward. Then of course the Croatian president who was incredible with her compassion for all and sundry though Croatia lost. All in all a great WC and even the low scoring games were generally nail biters from the word go. Fantastic tension. That the final should end with that majestic hit from Mbappe seemed quite fitting. Must say they were a bit slow with the umbrellas at the end there when everything got farcical including the Russian weather controlling systems because no doubt they were more interested in VAR and it's endless possibilities outside of football stadia.

  138. John F

    Jul 17, 2018, 17:09 #111255

    Kev,I was thinking the exactly the same in how many world cups I have got left to see England win the world cup and its the same as you.They are going to have to change the words of 3 lions from 30years of hurt to 50/60/70.The FA will start having reunion s of fans at wembley who actually saw it happen.As the years go by the numbers will dwindle leaving only a few attending wearing the esso 1970 world cup coins on their chests and holding a rattle. I really enjoyed this one and I was so glad that the chair throwing idiots stayed at home so all the decent fans could create such a good atmosphere.