Arsenal Have Too Many Foreigners!

…for the Premier League and UEFA quotas that is



Arsenal Have Too Many Foreigners!

Vida and Rodriguez: lastminute.com?


Having signed Leno, Lichtsteiner, Sokratis (as I shall call him as his surname is too difficult for me), Guendouzi and Torreira, addressing some but not all of the problems in the Arsenal squad, the clear-out is now under way. I started writing this on Monday morning so by the time it is published some of this could have overtaken by events; such are the perils of “journalism” at this time of the year.

With Chuba Akpom having left for Greece last week, Arsenal still had a bloated first team squad, with 29 players listed on the club site; and that excludes the many promising youngsters which Unai Emery seems to believe could play an important role this season.

In thinking about what is happening today and might happen by the end of the week, it is worth bearing Premier League and UEFA squad rules in mind. They are similar in that under both sets of rules you can have a maximum of 25 players aged over 21, of which a maximum of 17 can be non-home-grown (effectively overseas players). 8 places are reserved for home-grown players; and if a club has more than 8 home grown players over 21 years of age, then the number of non-home-grown players would have to be reduced accordingly. When it comes to the 8 home-grown players for UEFA rules, four must been club-trained. If you don’t have four club trained home-grown players, then you lose those places – our club-trained players over 21 are Martinez, Bellerin, Iwobi and Ramsey. Our other association-trained home-grown players are (currently) Jenkinson, Holding, Chambers and Welbeck.

Of the 29 players listed on the Arsenal website, 2 – Ainsley Maitland-Niles and new boy Matteo Guendouzi – count as under-21 players. Guendouzi’ s position when it comes to UEFA matches is different (he will effectively have to be counted as a non-home-grown over-21 player, more on that below). Of the remaining 27, 8 are home grown (see above). 19 therefore are non-home-grown; 2 will have to go anyway, to get down to 17 and at this moment it would seem that Perez is on his way to West Ham, albeit at a major loss. Another great bit of transfer activity by the ancien regime. One more will still need to go, eg Campbell or Ospina.

Returning to home-grown side of things, we would be 2 players down on what we could have if the departures of Chambers to Fulham on loan and Welbeck to somewhere as yet unknown happen. Maybe Emery feels that he can cope with losing both Perez and Welbeck by giving Eddie N a lot of game time; that strikes me as a risk and not one I would take. Also, on the home-grown side of things, Ramsey has yet to sign a new deal, and the club may decide to cash in on him if they feel he won’t sign a new deal – but if he goes who replaces him.? Another non-home-grown place would need to be freed up if Ramsey went and his replacement was not an English/Welsh player – that place would presumably be the one occupied by Joel Campbell, although Emery might decide Campbell could be required as an experienced striking back-up if Welbeck and Perez went.

We then move on to the goalkeeping and defensive issues; it is widely assumed that Oooh-Ospina-aaah is on his way, to Turkey. But that has been rumoured for at least a year now, so who knows? He would have to go, to free up a space in the non-home-grown allocation if the defensive signings supposedly sought by Emery are to be believed. Vida, the Ukrainian-supporting Croatian beast from Besiktas is said to be the man Unai wants, and that the hapless Mustafi could be sold (no doubt at a loss) to make way for him. And then there is the left back issue: Kolasinac is out for 10 weeks (call it half a season at Arsenal), and Monreal has a knock I understand. The press suggest that a bid has been made for Ricardo Rodriguez of Milan and Switzerland; a perfectly acceptable player in my eyes, but one which would need another departure (ie whichever of Campbell or Ospina hasn’t been sold to get to 17 non-home-grown players) from the non-home-grown squad allocation to create that a place for Rodriguez.

In summary, getting rid of Ospina, Perez, Campbell and Mustafi would enable Vida and Rodriguez (for example) to come in and leave us with 17 non-home-grown players. But if Chambers and Welbeck go, our 8-place home-grown allocation will be filled by just 6, including Jenkinson (yes, he is still here as of early Monday pm) and Ramsey (who has a year left on his contract). Ramsey could not be replaced by an overseas player unless the current non-home-grown player roster were reduced further (maybe by excluding Kolasinac or Koscielny owing to injury) – so if Ramsey were to go, say to Chelsea (perish the thought) it would need to be in a swap deal, say for Fabregas’ return (he would count as club-trained player for European games by the way) or Barkley or Drinkwater, simply to maintain the right number of bodies in the squad – which we will need because of injury you can be sure.

However, the challenge of replacing Ramsey if he does not sign that new contract may be too much in the remainder of the transfer window; I think he will be kept (which means by the time you are reading this, he will have been sold!) and leave on a free next summer or in a Sanchez-Mkhitaryan style swap in January.

And finally, a quick point regarding our hairy wonder, Matteo Guendouzi; he counts as under 21 for Premier League rules but for UEFA matches (my understanding is that) because he has not been with us for 2 or 3 years his under 21 status does not count. For him to play in Europe therefore, a non-home-grown place in the 17 allowed will have to be created (again perhaps by leaving out the injured Kolasinac or Koscielny). Such are the complexities which the club must wrestle with in the coming days, a situation made worse by the shortened transfer window this month. Whoever thought it was a good idea?


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  1. mbg

    Aug 09, 2018, 22:11 #111670

    Hee hee what did he mean by that. lol.

  2. Badarse

    Aug 08, 2018, 16:15 #111638

    Ha ha, you didn't like that did you cowards? I do mean arrogant and pompous cowards, sorry for the slip.

  3. mbg

    Aug 08, 2018, 15:48 #111637

    Ian, Arsenal have to many Foreigners ? your lucky mate, there's some holier than thou posters who would have pulled you up on that as been racist among other things, a while ago, now of course they can't. Exciting times ahead.

  4. A Cornish Gooner

    Aug 08, 2018, 12:36 #111627

    As named in the grubby streets of Ramsgate back in 2014, scumbag.

  5. Exeter Ex

    Aug 08, 2018, 12:02 #111624

    Badarse - so long as you continue with the "I get it, most people don't get it" formula then this is what will happen. You'll never comprehend that though.

  6. Badarse

    Aug 08, 2018, 9:28 #111616

    As named in the grubby streets of London back in the day, gutter snipes.

  7. mbg

    Aug 08, 2018, 1:03 #111614

    Exeter Ex, wenger couldn't do that either.

  8. Exeter Ex

    Aug 07, 2018, 18:25 #111607

    Cornish - almost everybody fails to hold down a job and keep a house running, it's almost impossible. It's amazing but not surprising to find out who can manage it.

  9. A Cornish Gooner

    Aug 07, 2018, 17:17 #111602

    Ex. I think you’ve underestimated the qualities required for the job. Someone of the highest calibre is needed. Someone who has had to co-manage a household and hold down a job of ‘some responsibility’? It’s not everybody who can boast of that achievement.

  10. Exeter Ex

    Aug 07, 2018, 16:04 #111596

    No one forced Wenger to take so much on. He railed against any outside help ("I have made 30,000 substitutions… what is a director of football..."). He did so because he saw an opportunity for greater power and control after Dein left. He tried to make himself unsackable but was performing so poorly by the end that even Kroenke was forced to act. So any attempts at a "Poor old Arsene, nobody understands how difficult it was for him except me" narrative as we see above ring hollow. Even if he'd reduced his role down to just football coach, Wenger's 'go out and play' philosophy was so dated he'd have continued to fail anyway. Now the club has the modern structure it needs with a modern football coach - though today's news regarding a Kroenke total takeover is bad news.

  11. Badarse

    Aug 07, 2018, 11:31 #111591

    Yes, a situation of great complexity. It is not surprising to me, and I am not a logistics expert, just a granddad who has had to co-manage a household and hold down a job of some responsibility in past years. How difficult is that? Almost impossible when I look around at failures everywhere in society, so why should running a PL club be any different? I am always amazed but never surprised by the inability of some to garner the threads of what is required and to just dismiss it. I would hate the pull and push of running a club as Arsene Wenger tried to do. To just step outside it and concentrate on the playing staff and futures of players, or non-futures. To determine the best playing style. To accommodate injuries in a brutal league, to be successful, to expect players to play up, and play the game, when many are multi-millionaires in their mid-twenties, without any experience in life. To grasp the confusion of the rules, so well pointed out by Ian. With other advisors, friends, players, club officials and the media blowing in your ear and colouring any judgements. Well, good luck with that bag of tricks Unai. At least he is just the coach and the privileged top cats at the club have others in place to share the load.