With Four Points From Seven Matches, Arsenal Need To Start Thinking About A Relegation Scrap

Online Editorial – Appalling sequence continues as Gunners fail to overcome Brighton at home



With Four Points From Seven Matches, Arsenal Need To Start Thinking About A Relegation Scrap


Before the match, Freddie Ljungberg said about 16th placed opponents Brighton: “They try to play out, defend well and they look very organized”. If his opposite number Graham Potter (who oversaw another Thursday night 2-1 victory at the Emirates as manager of Ostersunds in 2018) had been asked the same question about Arsenal, he’d have had to stop after the first five words.

What we are witnessing now is the culmination of years of complacency – specifically at board level. The extent of the club’s ambitions since the stadium move have been financial. Get in the Champions League and continue feeding at the money trough. Fourth place is good enough, titles not compulsory. So things were allowed to roll along as long as the club were achieving a top four finish, even if they never credibly competed for top spot at the business end of the season. That sense of complacency, in which nobody was under threat as long as the targets were being met, ran through the club from top to bottom, and people took their eye off the ball. Hence players were bought who were not good enough and were paid far too much. Hence winning big matches against the sides also competing for the top spots did not become important enough to rectify the evident defensive issues (as can be seen from a string of humiliating results against the likes of Chelsea, Manchester United and Liverpool going back to 2009).

Fast forward to 2019 and the club have reaped what they have sown. It’s been a long time coming, but there are some who could see this as far back as 2008 when the draw at Birmingham shocked a relatively young squad sufficiently enough to make it so obviously apparent that too many experienced players had been moved on too quickly in the name of project youth. Arsenal played some exciting football, but did not have enough experience of overcoming setbacks. The personnel have changed since, but a habit of quickly recovering from a bad result has never been developed. It was hoped that the arrival of Unai Emery would change things. Sadly, it didn’t work out. Wrong man, wrong league, wrong tactics. So now we are left with a situation where things look even worse than they did in the last season of Arsene. A poorly performing, but highly financially rewarded group of players, unable to grasp the basics of discipline and organization.

In fairness to Freddie Ljungberg, no-one can be expected to turn this around quickly. The new manager bounce we were hoping for with the dismissal of Emery lasted until Norwich opened the scoring last weekend. But the game at Carrow Road identified familiar problems of defensive incapability, and these were merely confirmed yesterday evening. Brighton had plenty of chances and could have scored more than the two they needed to take the three points. Ljunbgerg has been appointed for the short term and the media were reporting before the game yesterday that the process of speaking to Emery’s potential full-time successors is under way. For financial reasons, it seems the club want to deal with free agents with Pochettino and Allegri the two names put forward.

Whoever does come in can write off this season as far as the Premier League is concerned. As far as any hopes of making next season’s Champions League go, all eggs are now firmly in the Europa League basket. What the club need to do is appoint someone who can improve players defensively, and organize a team to play as a unit rather than a rudderless rabble. As many of Arsene Wenger’s backroom staff were given the chop in an attempt to get shot of the culture of complacency 18 months ago, so there will have to be a turnover of players. Many of the current squad simply aren’t up to the task ahead, including some of the higher paid experienced ones. Money-wise, the club will have to shop very smart, as well as work hard to get the best out of their Academy options.

I was intrigued to read a report stating that Atletico Madrid were not happy with their start to the season, six points off top place, having spent heavily last summer. Granted, his English is probably non-existent, but Diego Simeone is exactly what Arsenal need at this point in time. Mauricio Pochettino used a translator when he came to Southampton and got his message across. Simeone’s sheer passion does not need translation. But that’s pie in the sky. Not going to happen. If he goes anywhere it will be to Italy.

Anyway, back to reality, and it’s a question of whether Allegri or Pochettino would fancy the task of the huge job awaiting the next permanent head coach at Arsenal. Ideally, they would come in over the weekend, but the club don’t move that quickly. West Ham away looks like a tricky game, but football being football, don’t rule out an away win. The Hammers can be as poor as Arsenal on their day, so that one’s a real toss-up. Standard Liege away next week sees the Belgian side needing to beat their visitors by five clear goals. I know things are bad at the moment, but you really cannot foresee that. However, if Ljungberg remains in charge over the Christmas period, the club will remain in close contact with the relegation zone. That isn’t a criticism of Freddie, who in truth has been handed a thankless task, it’s a reality. If Arsenal are going to get anything from the five matches that begin with Man City at home, they need to focus on not losing as their starting point. That approach hasn’t happened at the club since the 2005 FA Cup Final, after which Arsene Wenger vowed his team would never play such tactics again.

This morning, the club feels like a rudderless, slowly sinking ship. Giving Freddie the job of interim head coach is like telling a cabin boy to take over the steering of the Titanic after it's hit the iceberg. Even with a full pre-season, I think the job at hand is beyond someone of Ljungberg’s experience, although at least the fans understand this and will not go after him.

Ultimately, it’s the board that have brought this situation upon us, through years of allowing the rot to gradually spread, refusing to see the obvious signs that things were not going to improve. I asked Arsene Wenger at the shareholders AGM a few years ago (maybe 2011, I can’t recall) exactly what the plan was to improve the defence after the club had conceded too many goals the previous season. He responded by saying you can’t go to a supermarket and buy good centre backs off the shelf. I know that the club looked at Virgil Van Dijk when he was at Celtic but decided they didn’t need him. Even the likes of Jonny Evans and Gary Cahill are better than the current options – and the latter was available on a free transfer last summer. The players are out there. And even if Arsenal are not signing them, they are not even working on the ones they are bringing in.

When Arsenal belatedly decided to give Arsene Wenger his cards, my hope was that by the 2020/21 season the club would be able to mount a credible challenge for the Premier League title. Two seasons and five transfer windows to make the necessary changes and get completely shot of the culture of complacency that had led to the club failing to make the Champions League for two seasons running. Sadly, there isn’t going to be a title challenge next season. Arsenal’s first job is to solidify their foundations and stop the rot. Forget winning trophies, this team need to learn how to win football matches again.

I’ll finish with mention of an email exchange I just had with a long-term supporter – watching Arsenal since the 1960s. I wrote, “If the decline is allowed to continue, this could be terminal - at least in our lifetimes. Think Leeds. It could happen and you can't rule it out completely on current form.” People think Arsenal cannot be relegated. This season they are celebrating 100 years in the top flight of English football. The people running the club need to act fast to make sure that sequence continues. Arsenal have taken four points from their last seven league games, against Sheffield United, Crystal Palace, Wolves, Leicester, Southampton, Norwich and Brighton. And now the games are about to get tougher. I look forward to the next video interview on arsenal.com from the owner’s son (who was at least in attendance at the game yesterday evening to witness the horrorshow).

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  1. Don Howe

    Dec 07, 2019, 9:21 #115751

    Cornish. Hilarious and brilliant that you applied for the job. Like Liam Neeson, one needs a particular set of skills. Fat Sam must be available. Surely.

  2. Don Howe

    Dec 07, 2019, 9:21 #115750

    Cornish. Hilarious and brilliant that you applied for the job. Like Liam Neeson, one needs a particular set of skills. Fat Sam must be available. Surely.

  3. hibeegunner

    Dec 06, 2019, 21:25 #115749

    Cornish I think if your guy and the Exeter chap come as a management team they could get the fans onside though I prefer to watch Exeter rugby. Ron great piece I think us older guys go back a long time and have seen it all before I remember sitting on the terraces with a pint before games listening to the metropolitan police band and the singing of constable Alex Morgan what a voice that man had

  4. CORNISH GOONER

    Dec 06, 2019, 19:22 #115748

    Sorry to say that I will not be interviewed for the managerial vacancy due to a "thank you for your interest in our Club" letter. Undeterred, I have made a fresh application - this time for Raul's job. I think Stanley, as a cheapskate, could be interested this time. But I believe we do have a proper candidate to replace Dick down here. Just up the road from me, in England, Plymouth Argyle's new bloke, after a few difficult settling in weeks, now has them up to 8th in League 2 & rising fast. I will mention him to Josh at my interview.

  5. itsRonagain2

    Dec 06, 2019, 17:38 #115747

    Lads . all good comments and insights as ever. You're all absolutely right in saying that this has been steadily coming, in my view since minimum 2009 and probably since 2005. The only reason its taken so long is that the PL isnt the greatest league as the hype will have us believe. I think the club weighed it up and realised that Wengers flawed and average sides since 2009 were good enough to reach that top 4 and that made it OK. They were happy and never wanted to get better than that as to do so needed cash injections on a few great players. Its like their delusions when they built the stadium. They thought it was them and Utd for ever and nobody else. The owner and Wenger are more or less equally culpable. I know its our club etc etc but to be honest, do some of you think its a kind of poetic justice that the decline has accelerated? In my view, Arsenal FC has become a very arrogant club since 2006 and that process started even before then. I ll go back to 1999 when the arrogance started to show itself and i have to say, that great numbers of the fans became arrogant too. It was clear in what they would say at away days in particular. Great away support of course, but the derogatory attitudes towards other teams and clubs became very apparent to me. Any team that got at us had 'no right' to make it hard for us and so on. Even during the 49 game run, we had several players who would sulk or take the hump if teams got at them and got into tackles etc etc. We actually had some big dollops of luck in that run. We re all guilty. We all became a touch arrogant, yet lets be honest, we were never much cop in Europe even under AWs finest. We never won back to backs and in truth never really got truly close. There will be many managers of other clubs, past managers and present and other clubs fans who will be revelling in this demise now, up and down the land. I dont really think we ll be relegated some how if only because when push come to shove there are actually a few worse teams than us, but this slide reminds me a lot of Forests in the early 90s. The decline is certainly like Uniteds in the early 70s too. They went down of course.They and Forest were always 'too good to go down' - yes, right! Forest had bought lightweights for a few years before they went through the trap door. Us 'mere fans' know nothing according to Arsenal this last 15 years. Personally though we dont get the financial machinations of the club through lack of knowledge, i think a great many of the fans know as much if not more about English football than that Board and Wenger, both of whom were blinded by their own imaginary omnicompetence. They still are. Wenger - 'im here to speak to Lungberg'. That smacks of' theyre missing me' and ' i know best'. F--k right off Wenger! I d sooner us go down than be needing you and yr philosophy again. Have a great week end guys.

  6. Bard

    Dec 06, 2019, 17:37 #115746

    Good summary Kev. The really astounding thing to me is the board's response to the debacle. Why didnt they have a short list of potential managers ready and waiting, have the not been looking at the results over the last 6 months. Also which manager of any standing would want to come in and take over this shit show. Half the team needs moving on and there isnt a pot to piss in. Grim time ahead indeed.

  7. Don Howe

    Dec 06, 2019, 17:08 #115745

    Of course you can blame the board, present and past, but the real blame lies with the French Fraud. Arsenal's success was built upon the defensive. Obscene Wanger abandoned it. Now the expertise is gone. OH NO. It Isn't. Is it, because Martin Keown has a proven record as a defensive coach and would clean up our defence sharpish. I wrote to Freddie weeks ago asking him to hire him. ITS THE DEFENCE and this has been institutionally ignored for over a decade. We either accept the orthodox strictures of the defensive as a route back to success or we are going down the gold plated lavatory of history. This has to happen NOW. No more fancy dans and pressing and transition and electrolytes and hemi semi demi tasse of foamed latte with your favourite players agent. We need to stop teams scoring against us.

  8. RobG

    Dec 06, 2019, 16:50 #115744

    First class summation Kev. I think the Club's hierarchy are as bewildered by this, as the rest of us. They plainly didn't anticipate this and are stuck for an appointment. The situation is so dire that we need two Managers ; rather than one. Firstly, we need someone to get us out of this free fall and solidify us back in about sixth place. Then we need someone who can actually get this squad performing as competitors for the top four. So we need Pardew/Allardyce for the first part and Allegri(?) for the second. In all truth, from the available, Allegri looks the best hope. But would he come ? We are hardly attractive as a proposition for a Manager thinking trophies rather than a pay day. Poch' won't come and wouldn't be right for us anyway. The options are really limited. Tough times, I'm afraid.

  9. Radfordkennedy

    Dec 06, 2019, 15:18 #115743

    Ron...that did make me chuckle mate, do you think they've harboured a grudge all these years since we sold them Dempsey!...I can just picture the scene in the Chelsea boardroom post Christmas party lunch having consumed the Warres 40 year old vintage port and a truckle of Cambridgeshires finest and now breaking out the Remy XO and passing round a box of hand rolled Havanas, they all raise a glass to the framed cheque on the wall and all settled down to watch a dvd of Luiz I in a red shirt.having a good old laugh.....Tony ...Rix's goal a beautiful curler into the corner I seem to remember

  10. Seven Kings Gooner 1

    Dec 06, 2019, 15:08 #115742

    Excellent summing up as usual Kev - what is happening now is no surprise to many of us, in fact if it was not happening that would be the bigger surprise. Brighton are well coached, well drilled, they played some neat little passing in front of their penalty area, drew in our players and then passed through our midfield so easily it was child's play. I have watched a lot of lower tier football and most sides have good managers who are coaching to a very high standard - they have to because they are working with so called "lesser players" I can remember when Gallas, as captain would have his little huddle in the centre of the pitch and his inspiring message to the players was "play play play" - yep that should do it. Wenger thought he could rip up the coaching manual - so he did and now you can see the result. It would take one of the very best managers plus a couple of hundred million to reset the club back to where it was when it was at Highbury. If they do nothing this side will go down amide blame upon blame, the new fans or fans since 2006 will not be able to fathom out what has gone wrong, it is only us "old lags" who witnessed a properly coached team which had a real captain at it's helm that can see all the faults as if reading a child's book.

  11. TonyEvans

    Dec 06, 2019, 14:55 #115741

    Hi Ron - I remember being surprised (and obviously delighted) with the result against Leicester (I would have been in a half empty North Bank) because it was looking very ominous that season wasn't it. Our club has been sleep-walking to this desperate situation for what seems like such a long time; the only surprise really is that it has taken so long to get there! Everyone connected with running the club these last few years should be hanging their heads in shame at what they have allowed to happen. How many years have so many of us 'mere supporters' been banging on about the defence and our lightweight style of play - yet the powers that be carry sublimely on, seemingly completely ignorant as to what needs to be done. I don't want to see the club that was such a big part of my life for so long go down, but it is no more than they deserve if it does happen.

  12. itsRonagain2

    Dec 06, 2019, 14:23 #115740

    Hi Tony - recall that game too because of O Learys goals. Recall being in East Lower (rare, but was with my Dad) but it was a 'pick yr seat day', could have moved anywhere. About 19000 ish seemed like.

  13. TonyEvans

    Dec 06, 2019, 14:00 #115739

    Radfordkennedy - it could be 76/77 all over again but this time, as you say, without players of the ilk you mention to get us out of the mire. I remember Rix making his debut against Leicester in a 3-0 win in 1977, with O'Leary improbably scoring twice. Think it was the first win in a while to stop the rot that season - the only season I was ever seriously thinking we could go down. It would be awfully ironic - making it to 100 years in the top flight and being relegated in the same season!

  14. itsRonagain2

    Dec 06, 2019, 13:55 #115738

    RK - To be honest mate, Luiz s Counsel advising him in defence of the indictment that you level at him will claim that there was no motive to instruct agent Luiz and that the allegations are based on circumstantial evidence. They will call R Abramovitch who will claim temporary loss of mental capacity to instruct an agent as a result of being in constant uncontrollable mirth and laughing mode since the fact of Arsenal actually signing Mr Luiz and secondly, that Chelsea have not cared a hoot about what Arsenal are doing since 2004. Arsenal could claim prior precedent by citing the Gallas signing but the case is likely to be thrown out with no case to answer.

  15. Radfordkennedy

    Dec 06, 2019, 13:41 #115737

    Agent Luiz codename Mr Blue will be be spirited away in a lysander today his work for his west London paymasters is done!....seriously have you ever seen a team so scared to lose, from what I saw Laca was the only one who took things to heart and actually cared, when we went through this all those years ago,you somehow felt with O'leary, Young, Nelson, Brady a youthful Rix , Stapleton and Supermac not to mention big Pat as custodian, we would pull through, you look at this lot and I honestly think 4th from bottom would be an achievable target, but only just

  16. itsRonagain2

    Dec 06, 2019, 13:41 #115736

    Hi Kev. All good stuff there youve written. It might be a gloomy forecast and my match predictions are all over the place at the moment but i dont see AFC winning titles never this owner EVER. In today's game, running a club like Kroenke does cant win leagues. Its impossible. Those of us who used to see us in the 60s and mid 70s never think relegation is beyond Arsenal or any club do we. The latter day fans do as theyve only known Wengos regime. The most imdiate risk for me is the Man C game. IT could be the record defeat we ve ever taken. The thrashings this last 7 or 8 years will live long in the memory but they could be surpassed now. Im pleased this is the first serious possible thrashing that i ll actually miss! A Man C in over drive doing their utmost to persuade Arteta not to step into the Arsenal madhouse will maybe make the game worse for AFC. I ll be honest though and say that i m at th stage now where i think defeats and maybe a thrashing here and there will help AFC long term if it can force Kreonke out at best or at least force a new approach from the club. Im not of the view that such as Llungberg or Arteta can do anything there either.

  17. Pauljames

    Dec 06, 2019, 13:29 #115735

    It is already clear that Llungberg is not a coach and is miles out of his depth trying to manage this rabble. He effectively lost all credibility before a ball was kicked in his first match, by selecting Luiz, Mustafi, Xhaka and Ozil against Norwich.Ive watched both his games and detect zero changes in set up, tactics or motivation levels.It boils down to this now, we either spend huge money on strengthening the team in January or we appoint a manager who can coax the current dross into obtaining 20-25 points over the next 24 matches.If we do neither of these things I see us in the championship next season.

  18. ArsenalMagna

    Dec 06, 2019, 12:15 #115734

    I'm not too worried about a relegation fight at this stage - there's only 7 points between 6th and 17th place currently. Last night was actually good for us, because the board have been hoping that Freddie would give us a boom in form, they could then give him a cheapo deal for a year or two, and save them some cash, despite the honeymoon period obviously ending a la Solskjaer at United. Last night's loss also shows them that they have to speedily get in a new manager, and that men without experience won't cut it. That, thankfully, could mean Arteta won't get the job, which would be a huge relief. As you say Kev, the reports today seem to show Poch or Allegri are top of the list. I fear that they'll get in some cheap unknown even then. I don't think Allegri will come as he wants his sabbatical till June. However, I think it could be Poch or Ancelotti that we get, if the latter is fired from Napoli soon. I've never thought the latter particularly inspiring personally, but rate the former highly. On the upside lads, there's always Arsenal Ladies that we can follow - there are some great chants amongst the mostly female crowd such as 'You're going home in perfect safety!' and 'Who made all these pies? Who made all these pies? I must get this recipe - who made all these pies?'

  19. Made Up Stat

    Dec 06, 2019, 11:41 #115733

    Haven't seen the goals from last night but was I the only one shouting at the TV when the mighty Norwich were on the attack and our 'defenders ' ran along just in front of them for 40 yards until they were at the penalty area? Relegation stuff indeed.

  20. Sturgooner

    Dec 06, 2019, 11:37 #115732

    Watched in horror last night in a not so full stadium. I seem to remember the Terry Neil " My team couldn't beat dustbins" quote back in 1977 during the losing run, but you could see then some hope for the future. Watchiing Auba tear into Joe Willock last night indicates that yet again we have a split dressing room .

  21. John F

    Dec 06, 2019, 11:34 #115731

    An example of the malaise was Tierney in the second half taking a throw in when he looked round no one was making any movement for him and he ended up giving the ball away.It is just basic football along with looking around you to see what's going on rather then ball watching.I used to coach under 11s to do that why is it highly paid footballers can't?.Freddie didn't help himself by playing Ozil and Aubameyang out wide.Auba is a poacher but he has his limitations and they are exposed on the wing.Might as well play the team that did well in the earlier rounds of the Ropey cup they cannot be any worse.

  22. Bob Bayliss

    Dec 06, 2019, 11:25 #115730

    "Diego Simeone is exactly what Arsenal need at this point in time." This, which I have said for three seasons. I really couldn't care what language he speaks. He speaks the Arsenal language as far as building an impregnable defence is concerned.

  23. Sarflunden

    Dec 06, 2019, 11:06 #115729

    Same old, same old. I put my ticket on the exchange last night. First time I've missed two consecutive home games in nearly 30 years as a season ticket holder. My apologies to the poor sod who brought it. You don't need to go to the games anymore to know what will happen. The defense just collapses. Do they actually get any coaching because whatever the combination its the same mistakes? Our midfield gets sucked back so the forwards get cut off and starved of service. Next will be the soothing words of Josh K, more fighting talk from the management team and another piss poor performance as Lacazette and P E-A call their agents and beg for an escape route.

  24. TonyEvans

    Dec 06, 2019, 10:46 #115728

    Hi Kevin - as always you are spot on. Many on this website have long predicted a relegation scrap was not beyond the realms of possibility and this could well be the season. The board must take a huge share of the blame - firstly allowing Wenger to indulge in his lightweight fantasy football for far too long, and then replacing him with completely the wrong man! Wenger himself takes up the rest of the blame for me - he ripped the competetive heart out of Arsenal and unbelievably made long term supporters like myself desert the club in their droves, so fed up were they with defensive frailties never being addressed. The club is now reaping what they have sown and, if we do become embroiled in a relegation scrap, God help us because most of these players couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag, never mind scrapping for Premier League survival.

  25. hibeegunner

    Dec 06, 2019, 10:21 #115727

    Perhaps the Kronke's with this their financial investment in Arsenal may think its time to sell up as we are on a downward spiral poor forward planning from the day they walked through the door time to wake up and smell the coffee if they hang on much longer their asset will be worth less and less, wishful thinking on my part I think.