Question Time

Have the authorities got the balls to end United’s influence over officials once and for all?



Question Time

Jeff Winter: On the Ferguson blacklist for two seasons


Yes fellow Gooners, that time of the season is fast approaching when we will all be asking the same questions.
Is the current squad good enough?
Are the board spending our hard earned money in the right manner?
Is Arsene Wenger still the right man for our club?

The questions that no one really seems to be asking themselves are;
1) Do Arsenal really get a fair crack of the whip as far as referees are concerned?
And, 2) Should there be an investigation into the decisions that have gone against us this season?

I'm not saying that Arsene Wenger or this current squad are perfect, far from it, but do they really have a fair chance in the league if there is a human bias in favour of Manchester United? Is this why video technology is really being delayed in our sport because once it is in place, there will be less chance for corrupt or biased officials to influence games?

If you are one of those people now thinking "sore loser" or "conspiracy theorist", bear with me, as the great Rafa Benitez once said, "I deal only in facts" here.

The year is 1994, Olympic Marseilles have just been found to be at the centre of a match fixing scandal that shook French football to its very foundations. As a direct result of this scandal known in France as l'affaire VA-OM, Olympic Marseilles were stripped of their 1992-93 division title and the right to play in the Champions League 1993-94.

After our away game to Porto in last season’s champions league I found Wenger’s comments very interesting to say the least. He said on the referee after we were beaten 2-1, "I believe that he is incompetent or dishonest - but I prefer to think that he is incompetent. I always am reluctant because, when you start to think like that in my job, you become paranoid. And I have seen much worse in my life - my own players were bought by opponents. And I didn't become paranoid."

Monaco were beaten by a Marseille side in 1990-91 who went on to win the title. And reports in France suggested certain players had been got at, although no names ever surfaced. If Wenger is still worried about his rivals practicing the blackest of all the dark arts, my question to you my fellow Gooners is - why shouldn't we be worried too?

Before I state my case any further let me bring this a bit more up to date by suggesting that anyone who hasn't already done so checks out the vast amounts of information on the 2006 Italian match fixing scandal involving several top clubs. A brief search online will tell you that referees were definitely involved, and were appointed only if they were of a favourable persuasion. The corruption went so deep that their very own version of ‘Match of the Day’ was asked to present certain teams in a favourable light. As you all know this scandal resulted in the relegation of several clubs and heavy fines and points deductions.

My question to you my fellow Gooners is, if this was possible in France AND Italy then who are we to say it is impossible in our very own league?

An interview with former top referee Jeff Winter recently should open your eyes up to the fact that it could well be happening. He said, "The FA have been accused of lacking what it takes to deal with the big names and big clubs - it happened again after Rooney got away with elbowing James McCarthy - and they need to grow a pair and make an example of Fergie. He got a £20,000 fine and a two-match ban with another two matches suspended for his remarks about Alan Wiley last season. The suspended part of that sentence does not run out until the end of this season. So you have to feel a four-match ban is the absolute minimum he should receive this time. And the authorities should add a warning that if he slags off a referee again, we will be talking months not matches for any future ban. Here you have a manager questioning an official's integrity, not for the first time, and they have to throw the book at him for that."

Winter claimed this was another example of Fergie trying to "de-select" a referee, knowing the authorities would be reluctant to give more United matches to officials he criticised. His own final game before retirement was to take charge of the 2004 FA Cup final between Manchester United and Millwall. But there was a time when he knew United were "off limits".

He explained: "Very early in my Premier League career I sent Roy Keane off and incurred Fergie's wrath for doing so. In the course of the next two seasons I did not get a single Manchester United game, even though I refereed every other Premier League club at least five or six times. I was not afraid to stand up to him and I think he knew that. With his latest remarks, Fergie has probably de-selected Martin Atkinson for the potential title decider with Arsenal."

Well, well, well. Very interesting stuff but should Alex Ferguson have this kind of an influence?
Should Alex Ferguson be that much in a referee’s thinking that he has to stand up to him like a playground bully?
Should Alex Ferguson be "de-selecting" referees?
What has happened to Wayne Rooney over his off the ball elbow last week?
How many of us half jokingly refer to injury time in games where Manchester united are in a tight spot as "Fergie time"?

Look at some other decisions that have gone Manchester United’s way this year (such as Howard Webb's refereeing of the Liverpool game that resulted in Ryan Babel hilariously posting a picture of Webb in a Manchester United shirt!) and then take a look at some of the decisions against us recently.

Of course I'm talking about the offside Louis Saha goal given against us at home to Everton (which prompted Cesc Fabregas to allegedly shout "how much are they paying you?” at the ref), the shocking decisions in the 4-4 horror show at Newcastle and the refusal to give Arshavin a penalty or allow his onside goal to stand against Sunderland.

If our players and our manager think that football could be corrupt in this country then I'm left wondering why I pay thousands of pounds a year to follow a team that may be unable to compete on a level playing field with the likes of Manchester United.

Even at home we are liable to have massive decisions given against us while other teams seem to get the rub of the green on more than their fair share of occasions.

All I'm saying is that it warrants some kind of investigation, not just for Arsenal but for all the fans around the country who pay good money only to see their Saturday ruined by incompetent or possibly corrupt refereeing.


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  1. BG

    Mar 10, 2011, 14:18 #3117

    I agree that refs are bent and there is a will to get Man UTD champions BUT Louis Saha's goal was never offside as he got the ball from one of our defenders!!! Hence he couldn't have been offside... you wouldn't make a good ref yourself then [wink] I am far more worried of the decisions that went against us in the Newcastle and Sunderland games.... to name but 2!

  2. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Mar 08, 2011, 12:05 #2978

    Thanks for all the positive comments gents. I was nervous as to how this article would be received but I guess I'm not isolated in my thoughts on the state of play in our beautiful game.

  3. HowardL

    Mar 08, 2011, 7:39 #2969

    I do think this is a real possibility. So many poor decisions against us in recent weeks (against only 1 in favour). I cannot think of another reason why video technology is not used. It has been successful in Tennis, Cricket and, so I'm told, Rugby. The "slow the game down" argument is a red herring. How long would it have taken on Saturday to have given a penalty for the blatant foul on Arshavin? Or ruled his goal onside? An unbiased investigation is a logical and sensible suggestion.

  4. TFG

    Mar 07, 2011, 20:42 #2966

    Couldn't agree more. I was thinking about this very subject coming home from the Sunderland game and was preparing to write something when you beat me to it. I have put together a few ideas, following on from these excellent points. To my simple way of thinking, we should keep highlighting obvious mistakes (or otherwise) made by officials - after all, as fans, we undirectly pay their wages and those of the many minions at the F A.

  5. Stevesam

    Mar 07, 2011, 20:26 #2964

    I would add to the debate the fact that Mike (Man U)Riley is the top man in charge of referees. Everyone knows that he kisses Fergies ring. We all remember Riley and the 50th game at OT and the Rooney penalty. If the refs don't do as instructed by Riley via Fergie they do not get the top games. What are the odds of Webb or Dowd getting the game against Manure at the Emirates ?

  6. Seven Kings Gunner

    Mar 07, 2011, 18:51 #2960

    When Man U took part in the World Club Championship in 2000 and in doing so pulled out of the FA CUP, the FA supported the move because it would help their 2006 World Cup bid. I have always felt there was an unwritten "pay off" for Man U compared to every other club and when you consider "Rooney's pneumatic elbow" the pay off is still paying out!

  7. ando

    Mar 07, 2011, 18:45 #2959

    direct your gaze to where the money/power (in football) is, this is where you will find all your answers. perhaps some sort of retribution against ''offenders'' will relieve the situation.

  8. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Mar 07, 2011, 17:13 #2957

    I totally agree that I am biased as an Arsenal fan and I am not for one minute suggesting that arsenal fans should be in charge of any investigation. although it would be nice. I am willing to accept that we got more decisions our way when Dein was here but nothing like what goes for Manchester united i mean come on now, think about all the things that have gone their way for the last 15-20 years. I stand by my article, if it has got to the point where players are twittering pictures of howard webb in a manchester united shirt, openly asking refs if they've been got at and everyone in the country is just accepting "Fergie time" and joking about how "you don't get penalties at old trafford" then its time for an INDEPENDENT investigation in my book

  9. Paul

    Mar 07, 2011, 16:54 #2956

    A really good article. I was chatting to a man utd supporting friend a few years ago and he mentioned to me during the 01/02 that arsenal got the rub of the green from refs because David dein was on the FA board. Moving on a few years I wonder if united got a lot decisions because they currently have David Gill on the FA board.

  10. PGooner

    Mar 07, 2011, 16:12 #2954

    Thee will be some dismissing the entire article as paranoia and nothing more than excuses for our team. The truth is the Arsenal get so many wrong decisions that it has become an anomaly when we do receive a big decision going for us. With revelations of behind the door deals by the FA for the 2018 world cup and the PL's refusal to reform or answer to anyone, there is no question football in this nation and across the world. Denial is naivete. But what can we do? Will corruption continue to spiral out of control? Or is there a way to sort out this mammoth issue?

  11. vonMelonkampf

    Mar 07, 2011, 13:23 #2947

    It's no coincidence that the FA's headquaters and the National Football Meuseum have been moved to Manchester. Ferguson has an undeniable influence over the authorities and the media's bias towards MUFC aids this. There is so much money in football that it would be foolish to think that it's not bent in some way.

  12. Christof

    Mar 07, 2011, 12:58 #2942

    Every single clubs' fans claim that the world is against them - that decisions always go in favour of their rivals - that there is some sort of 'conspiracy' to keep them from winning things. There isn't.

  13. 6ooner Pete

    Mar 07, 2011, 12:51 #2941

    When we play badly we also seem to get decisions go against us.Another decision you have not mentioned is the late penalty we should have had at Wigan for handling in the wall from our free kick. When Utd play badly they get decisions going their way. Neville should have seen red (against Stoke I think). He should have also seen red for hacking down the WBA player who was clean through in the box. Blackpool should have had a clear penalty at 2-nil up. Utd went on to win against WBA and Blackpool (can't remember final score at Stoke). So they have gained at least 4 points, whereas we have lost at least 6 from dodgy decisions. We haven't been at our best at times and neither have UTD but you need the correct decisions in matches. I'm obviously biased and these things are supposed to even out, but I can't remember any decisions that have gone our way that resulted in us gaining extra points. The only decision that went our way that I remember is Bowyer given offside in the CCF when he wasn't BUT we still managed to cock up anyway!

  14. Westy

    Mar 07, 2011, 10:43 #2933

    Some interesting points, I wouldn't go so far as tot say there is corruption against us specifically, but the decisions this season do appar to have been particularly bad,maybe its the media coverage, I don't know. Imagine the furore had Arsenal won the Carling cup with the awful decision in the first 2 mins. Referees can't take the blame for offsides, that lies solely with the linesmen. Not an easy job, particularly with the stupid offside rule as it currently stands. A challenge system a la American Football / Tennis where that kind of decision can be quickly looked at seems to make sense to most. Interesting that the FA said FIFA rules mean they can't punish Rooney, then immediately good old Sepp comes out saying no they don't..

  15. Osi

    Mar 07, 2011, 10:11 #2932

    I always thought that FA fear Sir Alex and give favorable refrees, but never had hard evidence and this is for me a hard evidence. 'De-selecting' is strong big word and there need to be an investigation or at least media covering of these issues. I think even the media and Match of Day are all corrupted. I have never seen a home team being at wrong end of the ref. decision twice in 10 mins.

  16. danalovAFCXI

    Mar 07, 2011, 9:31 #2930

    Some interesting points there, I certainly don’t think our league is above corruption. However it goes a bit far to say that Fergie is able manipulate the league to his own ends. If this were the case it certainly isn’t working out for him this season as Manure aren’t exactly far ahead. Also I think most other clubs would point fingers at us too when it comes to big decisions. But you are right it wouldn’t hurt to have an independent investigation on the matter.