21 Years And One Bad Season

Trophies will return under Wenger



21 Years And One Bad Season

Arsene Knows


After reading the There are only three things wrong with Arsenal… article, I found the comments more enlightening than the piece itself and felt slightly concerned at the split in the camp. We all know the areas that need strengthening and wonder how Wenger cannot see it. His managerial style must be questioned. After all, he has only been in management for twenty-seven years, revolutionised the English game, gone 49 games unbeaten in arguably the best league in the world and brought in some of the greatest players the premiership has ever seen.

Now I’m not deluded enough to say he is beyond criticism, his reaction towards ‘King Kenny’ was unacceptable, especially considering Dalglish’s own contribution to football. Also Wenger’s consistent loyalty to below-par players who reward him with calamitous performances in key matches (there is no point naming names, we know who they are by now), is a constant source of frustration; but we all know this. However, I’m not going to counter argue this by listing the trophies Wenger has won, not because I am not grateful but because it is old ground. A bit like the ‘we need a decent centre back and goalkeeper argument.’

Prior to his arrival, expectations at Highbury were never lacking in ambition but we knew our limits. This all changed under Wenger. His era heralded an exciting style of play, ambition and best of all, trophies. We took this to be the norm and in the process, some forgot the old days of Arsenal and became a little spoilt in their attitude towards success. Wenger is stubborn, almost to the level of schoolboy belligerence but he is also a victim of his own accomplishments. In raising the standard of the team and allowing us to compete with the best, he also raised fans’ expectations and as a result, our current, temporary lull has been highlighted even more so. Six seasons feels like a long time, not because of Wenger’s failings but because of his achievements.

I am 28 and have supported Arsenal since 1990 and if I am being completely honest, I can only remember one ‘bad’ season during that time, 1994/95. 12th in the league, sounds okay, but this was the season when four teams were to be relegated and although it never became a serious threat, we did flirt with the possibility for a while. We also had Merson’s drug exploits, Hillier’s airport shame, Nayim (I still feel sick when I see the footage) and the ‘departure’ of George Graham, who at the time, felt irreplaceable. Not a great season by our standards but there are many teams who would have swapped places for 12th in the league and runner up in Europe.

Earlier I mentioned about forgetting the old days as if they were dark times for the club, which of course is ridiculous; Cup winners Cup victors, first team to do the domestic cup double and the nearly, nearly unbeaten championship winning 90/91 season. From 1987 to 2005, the longest wait we had for a trophy was four years, (94 to 98, 98 to 02) and on both these occasions we won the double. Six seasons without trophies look like becoming seven following United’s defeat of Everton.

For those Arsenal fans that grew up in the George Graham era (myself included) or the Wenger era, we have been so spoilt by the glut of trophies produced over the years (13 since 1987) that a sixth consecutive season without silverware seems unthinkable. Older fans, like my father who has supported Arsenal since the fifties, have seen much leaner times and much longer periods without any reward. Of course I would never want it to be like this again but our dismay at recent results suggests we have forgotten how far we have come as a club.

It may seem that I am harking back to the past and I am merely stating the obvious, but constantly reading and hearing from paid pundits and journalists that we lack a leader, and a top centre back, is also stating the obvious. It is easy to be negative and I would be hypocrite if I said I hadn’t been in recent times. How can the image of the flailing Almunia charging unnecessarily from his goal against West Brom provoke anything but criticism?

However those calling for Wenger to be sacked are wrong. His philosophy and approach are exactly the same as 2004, which suggests we need new players. So why doesn’t he spend? Well, is Wenger responsible for this? Is it the board? Some say the former, others the latter. We’ll never really know. Wenger is highly intelligent and an experienced manager, and contrary to popular belief, he knows what areas need to be strengthened. If he isn’t given the money what is he supposed to do? Unfortunately for Wenger, even if it isn’t his decision, he is the one who has to answer the questions because the chances of Peter Hill-Wood or Stan Kroenke owning up are very slim indeed. However with Kroenke in charge, I believe we will get a better indication of who is responsible for the lack of spending.

As I draw to my conclusion, we have just conceded to Bolton. The commentators believe this would not have happened in the days of Campbell and Vieira and that we need a leader and solid centre back. Such insight. My point is two-fold. Firstly, Wenger is the man for the job. I know there are some, maybe many who would firmly disagree and believe Wenger’s time is up, but he is creating something special. Yes, there are several players who need to be sold, but what about the positives, players like Wilshere, Nasri and Walcott. I also feel Sagna should get far more credit.

We also have Vermaelen, who in my opinion was our player of the season prior to his injury and the man who should be captaining us on his return. He is the leader. I also believe Koscielny will improve by playing alongside him. The goalkeeper situation has not been rectified but it is far more solid than nine months ago. Then we have RVP, 19 goals in all competitions is not bad considering his layoff earlier this season. Of course it is vital we spend and bring in some experience, but maybe the situation is not as drastic as we think or has been portrayed. Secondly we are Arsenal, we are not United or Liverpool, we will never be this dominant, but we have been and always will be successful. The trophies will return, sooner rather than later.


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  1. L Andreou

    Apr 30, 2011, 12:43 #6040

    Well done Ronster. You said it all. To those god fearing post Arsene fatalists, please study the annals of Arsenal FC. Now enriched further by Wenger's 'chapter'. The story continues...chapters close. We were England's no.1 side until the late 60's when Man U lifted the title and European cup sequentially. We struck back with '70/71's double and Fairs(Eufa)cup and other 2nd placings. Liverpool's 70's 80's domination eclipsed all before them. United now threaten all before that. We in between have swung our mace about in between. Anfield '89, when king Kenny had a vacant stare around a frozen post Hillsborough Anfield, 91's title with one defeat(which saw off Dalglish's great Liverpool), numerous finals of all colours. Wenger's Arsenal continued, and surpassed this by going toe-to-toe with United for many years. My point - we are Arsenal, they all know it, alas we seem to have forgotten it. If you go north of the Watford gap and ask which is the team down the smoke you fear, the loud calls all cry out '' Arsenal''. There was an advert in the 70's set in a northern scene about which club you were drawn against in the cup. Blokes in flat caps would say in consternation. Ooh bye 'eck, we've drawn the Arsenal. We are a powerhouse. Please bring this back. We are not feared anymore. As for being subserviant to Man U and Liverpool, possibly Chelsea soon, if Wenger can't do it we'll call for his head until we're heard, and Arsenal are again heard in fearful northern voices. My gut feeling, Wenger out.

  2. david

    Apr 28, 2011, 2:05 #5917

    What is the definition of success? We want trophies and what we lack is desire. This comes from the top as the board consider top 4 acceptable. If you look at utd player for player there is not much difference but there is a culture of success based on winning. 2nd is unacceptable. We need new players but more importantly a new attitude. Our season was over after the Birmingham defeat. Arsene needs to take responsibility and I'm fed up with his spin and deflection. New manager and fresh ideas. We are going nowhere and wenger has way too much power.

  3. medinaboy

    Apr 28, 2011, 0:58 #5916

    a clever well put together piece.but in the main apologist and wrong.any manager that settles for first looser is bound to go the way of all flesh.this imposter rode his luck untill the last vestiges of gg's team retired,henry papered over the cracks for a while.

  4. GoonerGoal

    Apr 27, 2011, 14:41 #5895

    For two years before his eventual demise George Graham served us up some of the most dismal football I had the misfortune to witness in 35 years. True, he had brought us trophies, but the rule of George's diminishing returns meant that as each year passed our ability to win trophies diminished, accompanied by a downward slide in the quality of the football. We ended up as Wimbledon-Lite, and yet when he was sacked there was still a large number of GKB's who defended him, and thought it was wrong that he had been shown the door. Here we are 26 years later, with a team unable to win trophies, while maintaining a standard of football enabling us to claim we are Barcelona-Lite, while missing the key ingredients required to win vital matches; heart, courage, and resilience. Just like in the days of George, the man responsible is the manager. Wenger has lost the ear of the dressing room. In six years one can only keep repeating the same things in so many ways, and he has nothing left to say. We know this; most of us can repeat almost word for word what he will say in post-match interviews as he tries to make excuses for the lack of leadership and character in his team. We should be able to; he has been repeating the same mantra to us week after week for the past six years. If we are fed up listening to the same old stuff from him every time, what makes you think the players are any different when he speaks to them? Sorry AKB’s, it's time for him to go...

  5. Michael Gregory

    Apr 27, 2011, 13:54 #5890

    Its not about a lack of ambition As I stated I believe we will start to win trophies. Barca were trophyless for six years. During Liverpools dominance, Arsenal won trophies, Liverpool faded but we kept winning, we won many trophies during the United era. United will not be the dominant team forever but we will keep winning trophies. I would love to dominate the EPL and CL for ten to twenty years like they have. I would loved to be proved wrong about not dominating, this was based on previous history when it looked as though we might become THE team but it never happened, harking back to the double winning team of 70/71. I do not approve of Hill-Wood, his ever changing opinions of Kroenke show what kind of man he is. I want to see David Dein return. I am not a board supporter and it is not a case of belonging to AKB or AMG, I am an Arsenal supporter and I want to see success return. Winning our last four games and a good Summer in the transfer market will spark our return to success.

  6. mark

    Apr 27, 2011, 10:09 #5868

    my point has been all along. petit and viera could not mix it until they started the training sessions with adams, parlour, keown, winterburn, dixon and then they quickly picked up what EPL was all about. mixing it was NOT what they were known for they arrived. far from it. GG's men brought that out in them and now there is no GG or GG type we are full of players who are the total opposite of being able to mix it...

  7. chris dee

    Apr 27, 2011, 9:36 #5867

    We are Arsenal,we are not United or Liverpool!Wow! There we have it, in one sentence. Everything that is wrong at our club expressed in a throwaway line.This type of supporter is the boards dream fan,I bet he would tug his forlock if he met Hill Wood. Win a trophy here and there and accept our lot in life of being 'quite a succesful club' but forget reaching for the top. Let's forever be outside the elite clubs like Barca,Real Madrid,AC Milan,United etc. We are not United or Liverpool,we will never be this dominant! Why the frigg not.What a lack of ambition,what complacency. Sagna should get more credit? For what? Helping us win nothing again? Sagna should get some medals then we will givehim more credit. What a depressing article.

  8. Merson10

    Apr 27, 2011, 8:06 #5865

    Good article mate. Our current situation needs a bit of a historical context to calm everyone down a bit. He has raised expectations and now people demand success. It would be good to see AW do what he did at the start of 96/97 when he brought 5 or 6 new faces in - it changed the dynamic of the squad and freshened things up. Plus - Why not play Walcott down the middle now? He looks unerring in front of goal when clean through on goal - whilst only faltering when providing the final ball from the right!

  9. GUNNER666

    Apr 27, 2011, 5:23 #5864

    Agree with Bunch. When he made that statement about 2nd for 20 years is success, that was a future admission to failure.You would never get Fergie or Jose to utter crap like that. After watching Manure roll over Shalke last night I can't understand how we can say they are a bad united side, they looked bloody good to me.

  10. nemo land

    Apr 27, 2011, 4:51 #5863

    you hit the nail on the head ,, the sooner the new stadium is paid off the better ,,

  11. Bergy

    Apr 27, 2011, 4:17 #5861

    fozzys mate: Could hardly put it better myself. Despite all the crap recently, I'm still for Wenger to stay BUT only if he changes is complex. I'm not saying ditch the good football or totally disregard youth, but we need the quality signings with top flight experience.

  12. Rob Bullen

    Apr 27, 2011, 4:16 #5860

    I have supported the Arsenal for over forty years, and what i dont like about this team, is the way they roll over, none has the right to win trophies, but us fans have the right to see a team that plays with pride, and most of this lot dont have that!

  13. ppp

    Apr 27, 2011, 2:57 #5859

    that was a sensible article. at last! thank the good lord the tone wasn't the same sneery anti-arsenal tottenham sleeper rubbish the gooner has been printing the last few weeks. a lot of gooners have had to taste the bitterness of the sleeper-spuds recently - not just published in this very fanzine but also pumped out of the media sewage pipes every day whenever they see a chance to kick arsenal when we're down. screw all of them. genuine gooners never give up and always back the lads. the sleeper spuds you've been forced to read will soon be gnashing their teeth back at sh&* f*&^ lane and squealing about how we poisoned their curries or something. to all genuine gooners - keep having a blast on the away days and try to get the rest of them singing at home!

  14. Michael Gregory

    Apr 27, 2011, 0:30 #5857

    Its not a case of trying to rewrite history. Of course Im not claiming Arsenal were a club of no consequence before Wenger arrived, we had a massive history (Chapman, Mee, Allison,). Its not a defeatist attitude, it was based on past history (pre-Wenger), apart from the 30s we have never been the dominant force in football. Of course I would love to see back to back league titles and European success. The last few games have been immensley frustrating, the Liverpool game in particular. I am not saying Wenger is perfect or bury my head in the sand about current results, there is understandably a lot of negative press being written about us at the moment, but I think it is too much. It can be rectified and(I can hear the scoffs) I do believe he will spend this summer.

  15. Josh Bednash

    Apr 27, 2011, 0:30 #5856

    whilst agree that in a way wenger is a victim of his own success, this shouldnt be the case. wenger should a beneficiary of his own success, as should the club, players and fans. im neither a staunch wenger loyalist nor am i calling for his head. i admire what he has done for us but am getting increasingly worried, like the rest of us, why he we havent pushed on from 2002, 2004 and even Paris in 2006 to consistently win trophies with the ease and reliability of United. (apologies for the comparison)

  16. john

    Apr 26, 2011, 23:23 #5854

    Michael. " we are not United or Liverpool, we will never be this dominant" true Arsenal fan would never come out with this statement unless you see ARSENAL as mediocre and a nearly team. if you read (Fozzys mate) post on this page he has articulated Arsenals failings very well, from management to boardroom.

  17. Joe

    Apr 26, 2011, 23:13 #5853

    It's been a horrible year , obviously the worst since Wenger came in. At the moment it feels like hitting your head against the wall, oranother ground hog year. So much faith placed on incompetent players who obviously don't seem to have much pride in the shirt. For all Arsenal fans in for the long haul it has been purgatory. I guess it's every fan's lot to be standing uselessly on the side line while the BIG desicions are made by those who know. Yet how can you explain bind faith in a group of players who generally lack passion, or a managers refusal to strenghen his squad and go all out for a championship that was there for the taking.As tragics really all we can di is wait for the new season when hopefully all will be forgotten or forgiven. However this time it has been too obvios that many things are wrong at the club and that while the high achieving clubs will be consolidating and reinforcing it's time for Arsene to get his head out of the sand. He needs a smart assistant who can give him a plan B and he needs a big broom to clear out the driftwood, including the stars who dont want to commit themselves to the club. I think most fans will remain loyal and accept a poor season if we feel the club is once again heading in a positive direction.

  18. dan

    Apr 26, 2011, 23:08 #5852

    the 'old' arsene never existed - he was successful due to what he had around him: winners and fighters. He has single mindedly eradicated all traces of that spirit and is left with a squad and mentality that is built in his image: talks a good game but is fatally flawed. He has been found out and the negativity now prevailing is anger from genuine fans who have had the veil lifted after years of being told how nice the emperor's new clothes are. A good manager, not our greatest, but to witness the pitiful tantrums every time his team get done - that's every single crunch match - shows a man with no class, no clue what he's doing and a poor ambassor for a great club. We're stuck with him for another year and can only hope that someone at the club gives him the boot up the arse he needs and the job of sorting tactics, personnel and motivation or lose his job. I hold out zero hope that this will happen and dread to think what this group will treat us to without Fabregas propping them up for yet another year.

  19. liam

    Apr 26, 2011, 21:23 #5847

    The AKB's are trying to rewrite history. No trophies before Wenger. One was on radio last Saturday claiming Arsenal were a club of no consequence before Wenger arrived.

  20. Rob

    Apr 26, 2011, 21:19 #5846

    You seem to claim Wenger does not have the money to make a discernible difference to our current side and defence. He spent £8m on Koscielny, a defender with no real top flight experience and exactly in the mould of centre halves who have been the root of our problems i.e. short, non-physical, meek, technically good on the floor. Our whole team lacks passion, fight and winners. Wenger has brought in every one of them. Koscielny laughed with Drogba off the pitch after losing 2-0 at the Bridge. He also waved to fans at Newcastle after we thre away a 4-0 lead like nothing had happened. Alex Song laughs with Gallas and swaps shirts after throwing away a 3-1 lead and our slim title shot erased. Team of born losers and it all starts at the top by Wenger creating a squad who have a sense of entitlement. The problems are so deep rooted and with Wenger the cause there is no way he is the man to take us forward. The problems have been there for all to see yet have not been addressed for years. The youth model breaks down without success as all the best will reach the age where they do not want to be perennial losers and have to put up with mistakes from clowns who are not good enough and they will leave. The vastly overpaid mediocre players (putting it kindly) will stay. Wenger has said the last two seasons judge me in May now my team WILL deliver. When they fail he trots out excuses which were constants from the outset. You cannot set hard deliverable targets knowing the landscape and then blame the anticipated landscape ("we have no money, our flimsy lightweight players are always injured") as justifiable excuses.

  21. Rob

    Apr 26, 2011, 20:52 #5844

    Four words :- 'Whistling in the dark'.

  22. LeoGooner

    Apr 26, 2011, 20:47 #5842

    I agree with some of your sentiments but not that Wenger's philosophy and approach is the same now as it was in 2004. We didn't have a project and a philosophy then, we didn't talk about wengerball and the way we play - we just talked about winning. It changed with the move to the new stadium - the project was born of financial necessity initially but has become a mantra to the point where it doesn't matter if we have £100m in the bank and glaring shortcomings on the pitch, the project is king. I also disagree about one bad season since 1990 - expectations changed under Wenger because he and the Board set them with all the crap about what leaving Highbury would enable us to do.

  23. bunch

    Apr 26, 2011, 20:28 #5841

    Just watching Sky TV and a promo for this weekend's games where we have the usual shots of action from previous encounters and inthe middle a cameo from Sir Alex "...forget all that nonsense, just win your games". And this is why Arsene should leave. He has lost the burning desire to win every single game. "2nd for 20 years is okay" the moment that reconciliation to failure enters your head then you will fail. He has failed to instil the burining desire to win football games in his team. This is also why he should leave. Football isn't art. There are no points for artisitic impression. Football is a battle, yes it can be beautiful, but it is about winning. He has lost the ability to win and it won't come back.

  24. Norfolk Gooner

    Apr 26, 2011, 20:02 #5838

    I'm 40 and have followed Arsdenal all my life. Aside from Anfield 89 all my best memories of following us are due to Wenger. However, if he is to be praised for the invincibles of 04 then he cannot be exempt from criticism for ripping that team apart. And I disagree that his philosophy is unchanged - we've always played football under him but he also used to buy players who could mix it, such as Petit and Vieira. Now I feel I'm watching a team of very talented wimps

  25. rad

    Apr 26, 2011, 19:58 #5837

    Some fair points and the author does argue that our expectations have risen. However, the point is that Wenger now feels the need to patronise the fans by trotting out hackneyed sayings (Mental strength) and treating us as though we have never seen a decent footballer in our lives ( and continues to play second rate donkeys who we know will never make the grade). He has brought this upon the club and himself by denying us the truth and by not coming clean about issues such as player discipline, wages, transfers and fees, injuries and team selection. Of course we cannot be privy to every piece of information but Wenger shouldn't treat us like idiots. The fallacy in your conclsion is that Arsenal could never be as dominant as United or Liverpool. We could have been if AW had spent some money and not got rid of players too early. We could still be a dominant force but I'm afraid it's without Wenger. I for one cannot believe a word he says anymore.

  26. dan h

    Apr 26, 2011, 19:47 #5835

    The frustration comes from the fact we havn't used our resources to the maximum this season was a great opportunity wasted whichever way you look at it.I hope that the penny drops the whole club needs a boost that two good established signings would bring.Vermaelen coming back will be a boost i would love to see him captain us from left back & sign a dominant aggresive c/back it would tighten us up plus we wouldn't be dominated on set-pieces.Wenger needs to freshen up the squad it looks stale & complacent to me.

  27. Ronster

    Apr 26, 2011, 19:46 #5834

    Arsenal Football Club has always been an exceptionally well run institution,hence our permanent presence in the top flight since 1919.However,the biggest club in one of the biggest capitals in the world should have delivered more than 13 league titles.To say we will never be as dominant as United or Liverpool is a pathetic comment and smacks of Wenger defeatism.Historically the Arsenal board have always been reluctant to spend big and aim for the stars.The only exception to this is when our GREATEST manager Herbert Chapman persuaded the board to loosen the purse strings resulting in The Arsenal becoming the most famous and successful club in world football in a very short space of time,(highlights being the hatrick of league titles,the magnificent art deco stands,the England team containing 7 Arsenal players that defeated world champions Italy 3-2 at Highbury,the fact we SMASHED the British transfer record several times in the 30s...want some more...read the history books!!).David Dein's fierce ambition coupled with Graham's tenure and Wenger's inheritance (admitedly with some absolutely brilliant EARLY signings)threatened to recreate this period of 'Chapman' dominance.Unfortunately we have once again dropped the baton and allowed others to pick up the gold medals.I do not expect....I demand that Arsenal Football Club gets its act together and delivers that first European Cup...a way overdue addition to our roll of honour!!

  28. fozzys mate

    Apr 26, 2011, 18:36 #5830

    Michael I was schooled in the Terry Neil and Don Howe era and waited 8 years between 79 and 87 for a trophy. During that period we were an average side much for the reasons we are now. A board (outgoing) more interested in nest feathering and conserving funds than winning trophies and managers happy to do the same. Having lived the barren spell I clearly remember my joy when witnessing Rockys goal at the lane in 87 followed by Charlies scuffed brace at Wembley and careering down the terrace at Anfield as Mickey Thomas poked in the most historic of goals. I remember being interviewed for tv after Anfield on the Sunday at the town hall and proudly pronouncing that as champions we would adopt the Liverpool method of dominance by using the title champions to sign the best players. A pattern has emerged that after every period of "dominance" such as 89-91, 98-99 and 2002-4 we have failed to seize the opportunity to be dominant and stepped back. Why, firstly our board who as it is now evident saw the new ground as a way to inflate the share price and make huge sums for themselves. Secondly the once much loved by all Mr Wenger deciding that the club was his play thing. I do not mind a manager being firm in his ideas but what I do take exception to is the thinly veiled disregard for the hugely taxed fans who have filled their pockets, as shown over recent years by AW and the buffoon like. Old etonion. Those who dared raise polite questions at shreholders meetings after the obligatory grovelling preface being politely told to f off and called ignorant and stupid. Arrogance unseen than from the likes of Ken Bates and Mike Ashley. This behaviour has encouraged the lemming like AKB army to verbally and sometimes physically attack any intelligent and polite criticism. I am happy for AW to stay if he removes his blinkers and appreciates that he is not the only intelligent person in the world and that somw of us who have been watching every game for a lifetime are worthy of an opinion and should be allowed the honour of polite discussion. Lastly, with our financial position which is in the rudest of health why should we not use our resources to aim to be dominant as I proudly acclaimed to anyone that would listen in 1989, why are we run like a mid table regional outfit trying to scrape a few quid together for kids and has beens? We all want the old Arsene back, I just hope that Arsene has not left the building?

  29. Phil C

    Apr 26, 2011, 17:21 #5828

    This is a good, sensible post which makes a lot of valid points.. I've been a gooner now for 45 years and I've had a fair number of bad seasons, a few great ones, some heartache and a lot of elation. IMO that's what being a football fan is all about. Hoping for the best, accepting the bad and enjoying the good when it comes along. There are thousands of supporters of great clubs in this country who would absolutely love our record over the last ten years. It's frankly ridiculous to call for AW to go after a handful of barren years when he is still producing the best football in the EPL on a really restricted budget. Grow up gooners. Love your team but just live in the real world and be grateful for what you've got.

  30. clockendpaul

    Apr 26, 2011, 16:24 #5824

    Your not related to wenger by any chance! Your attitude is whats wrong with this great club, creating something special!!! Its a comedy club you should be supporting.

  31. Dwight

    Apr 26, 2011, 15:08 #5821

    I totally agee with most of what you've said, but whats with the 'we will never be dominant' statement?!! since 2004 we have not been able to put the 'finishing touches' to the squad. hopefully with the debt being resolved soon, we will be able to compliment the world class players we have, with the adequate squad members. I believe with the right fine tuning we can be a dominating force.

  32. Jamie Cole

    Apr 26, 2011, 15:07 #5820

    Oh those rose tinted glasses. You fail to mention that the bedrock of Wengers early success was built on George Graham`s back 5 ! Then to back him up by saying we do not know the extent of money available for transfers when he and the directors say they have funds available is a well worn excuse. ( Or is it my synical mind that feels this mantra is repeated when season tickets are up for renewal ) Time for the stubborn man and his failled youth project to stand down. He is the weakest link............... Goodbye

  33. John

    Apr 26, 2011, 14:45 #5816

    Excellent piece, we all need to have some perspective with this team, I would love to know how much Chelsea, Man City and Manure have spent in comparison to the Arsenal. We forget this sort of thing but spending big is No guarantee of success. And that fat bird hasn’t started singing just yet….

  34. Steve

    Apr 26, 2011, 14:33 #5815

    OK, here's the thing - your article is a decent and correct one, but it's full of "not bad" and "if only". And that's where us group of fans in between the AKB's and AMG's take issue: If the man would only admit his team's fragility in certain areas, and invest in quality, proven players to address said fragilities, then we would could stomach (just) another year with AW at the helm, and yes, the trophies may well return. The trouble is, we are wise to the methods of Caesar now and as a result people are (rightly) demanding he makes actions, not speak words. Transfers had better be completed before the season ticket renewal deadline, or I fear another carbon-copy season beckons for 2011-12.

  35. Chaityus

    Apr 26, 2011, 14:21 #5812

    I have been following Arsenal for 6 years now and have been unlucky enough never to have seen them lift any silverware....I am a firm Arsene supporter but what frustrates me is the team that we fielded this week against Bolton is one of the most attacking and creative teams in the league....what the hell is causing this implosion.....

  36. OOKed

    Apr 26, 2011, 14:21 #5810

    a very rosey-tinted view .. again, we need to keep reminding the Arsene defenders, that the majority of fans have bigger issues than spending .. Why do we have an inflated wage bill and keep complaining about lack of funds ? Whose decision was it to give several average players oversized pay-packets from the fans hard earned cash ? Why the juvenile handling of media and opposition managers ? Why the constant spin on results, spending, and club future ? Why do we NOT have a proper PR department to handle the embarrassment of player quotes ? Why hasn't the medical team or our player training been investigated yet to resolve the constant injury crisis ? Why does the manager have this obsession to unearth the next cheap gem, by spending silly money on unproven players, instead of a clear-out and fairer wages to squad players ? Why do we always find ourselves each year rushing to extend player contracts after we have let them role into their final year ? There are serious management issues at the club .. and not just on the pitch, but off the pitch and in the dark corridors where Wenger also rules ..

  37. babatunde

    Apr 26, 2011, 14:19 #5809

    True say, man. I am just annoying by Wenger stubborness. Before the Premier League season began, I saw Wenger in a press conference saying "I believe in this team" and straightaway I thought we're not gonna win anything. I just had this hunch. And yeah, my hunch was right. After Arsenal beat Barcelona, I said we're gonna win a trophy in which I mean the CC cos it's the most realistic one. I was beyond gutted after the final.

  38. dave

    Apr 26, 2011, 14:18 #5808

    well said mate, there is so much rubbish being spoken about wenger at the moment its a refreshing change to read something more measured. We do need new players though because the current crop have lost confidence in each other and are more scared of being 1-0 up then 1-1

  39. Max

    Apr 26, 2011, 14:12 #5806

    12 defeats and 12 draws in all competitions is a joke. by december we had screwed up enough to make it clear we needed to pay up in Jan on a centre half and goalkeeper at least.the writing was on the wall early in the season away at liverpool and sunderland, at home to WBA and away to Shakhtar and yet by NOV when it was clear we were mediocre this year, we were all still being sold to by AW about how he thought this was a great team of players. YOu all need to wise up

  40. dan

    Apr 26, 2011, 14:10 #5805

    the money's there,wenger doesn't want to spend it..

  41. LeeD

    Apr 26, 2011, 13:53 #5803

    The game has changed a lot since 2004 and Wenger hasn't. If you take a look at the goals we've conceeded, you do wonder it they practice defence at all.

  42. AndoverGooner

    Apr 26, 2011, 13:51 #5802

    Great optimism but you could have said nearly all of the last season and maybe the season before. Vermaelen would be a great choice for captain. Cesc will leave this year, good luck to him. One more thing 'we need a decent centre back and goalkeeper argument' is only old ground because nothing has been done since Campbell and Keown left and will continue until they are replaced - sort it out Arsene please!

  43. John (Surrey)

    Apr 26, 2011, 13:50 #5801

    At last, a sensible appraisal of the situation. Arsene Wenger is Arsenal through and through and WE WOULD revert to the "bad old days" if he left, as most of our better players would go too.

  44. Roopeh

    Apr 26, 2011, 13:37 #5798

    Now they won't. Wenger went away from the tough defense he inherited, and we have not won anything since. If the loss to Birmingham i the Carling Cup did not tell you anything, then join the flat earth society

  45. GoonerRon

    Apr 26, 2011, 13:31 #5795

    I like this article. I'm roughly the same age and been supporting the club for roughly the same time. I guess everyone has a definition of what 'bad' looks like but I do believe Wenger has made a rod for his own back by securing trophies so prolifically, so early on in his tenure. He makes mistakes and because of the trophy 'drought' (an expression which is ridiculous in itself) his mistakes are highlighted more prominently than ever. Clearly there are some adjustments to the playing staff that need to be made but for me it is evolution, not revolution.

  46. Alan's Afro

    Apr 26, 2011, 13:27 #5794

    Michael, I understand the sentiment, noble as it is, however I think you sell Arsenal short. I have supported the Arse since 1979 and while the times were lean in the 80's you could at least expect heart and effort. The issue is that we see nothing of the sort now, from the team, through the management and to the board. And this has gone on each March/April for year after year. You say that we are not Liverpool or United and we will never be this dominant. Why not? Why can't the biggest team in the capital of the UK be that big. Why can't a team awash with cash (now) punch at least at it's weight. Things have changed since the 70's/80's. There is a top 3 now, and not an "on any given Sunday" lottery of a league. Therefore we should expect at least a shred of the glory once in a while. Every conference team manager is judged on "What have you done for me lately". I for one think AW has been our greatest manager and should be retained in some way. But given the stadium, given the investment by fans, given the exposure, given the patient wait for this promised land, "what has he done for us lately?".

  47. Andy Baker

    Apr 26, 2011, 13:27 #5793

    What I find frustrating is that we all think because we have had lean times before then we should be happy because we are The Arsenal and should know our place compared to United and Liverpool. Why? After the invincibles side I truly felt we had built the foundations to really dominate for years to come, both here and across Europe and to see the side now with no fight and going another season without a trophy really frustrates me..... What a waste! and a great opportunity missed.

  48. Mike Stefan

    Apr 26, 2011, 13:25 #5792

    My own problem with Wenger is that he has been in the job for a very long time now and the whole set up feels very stale. There are no new ideas, nothing new is being brought to the table. I know football isn't like most businesses, but sometimes in life you have to move on to create a new momentum, a new impetus. What I really hate is the "who would we replace Wenger with" arguments. It's total nonsense. When he came to us he was an uknown manager, I bet less than 1% of Arsenal fans knew him prior to his arrival. By that logic, surely there is another young, talented manager somewhere on the whole PLANET who could come in and do a great job again? Even Jose Mourinho came from nowhere really - how many people really knew of him prior to Porto winning the CL in 2003?

  49. osman

    Apr 26, 2011, 13:25 #5791

    i strongly agree with you...people have really forgotten who we are and what have achieved so.players like RVP,nasri,wilshere and sagna are always commited on the field.arsene needs add quality players in the summer but be very mindful..we need commited players.

  50. dan

    Apr 26, 2011, 13:25 #5790

    agree with much of the sentiment but not the overall conclusion - Wenger has lost it and complacently bulls**ts us every year to pursue a massive ego trip. He is tactically inept and cannot motivate his players anymore.