Calm down dear!

UEFA rules will save the day



Calm down dear!

A Winner – as Arsenal will be if you can wait


Emotions are high, because Arsenal are on a low. Our season has collapsed and we are hoping to cling onto a 3rd place finish, just to maintain some semblance of respect.

Arsene Wenger has a team of midgets, wimps, inexperienced boys etc.
Wenger is tactically naïve.
Wenger must go.

The AMG brigade seem to be whipping themselves up into a right frenzy.

For me, after all the success a decade or so ago, supporting Arsenal recently has obviously been a bit of a downer too.
No heart, no bite, no loyalty, no Bergkamp.
But just stop for a minute.
Yes, we are all suffering, but calm down and maybe consider the bigger picture?

Let’s be optimistic…

It appears that Arsenal is making someone happy. UEFA.
UEFA think that Arsenal are the model football club.
Why is this? Is it of any importance?
I think it may be.

There’s been a bit of a crisis going on out in the real world and football has not been escaping it. On the surface football appears normal; Man U and Chelsea spend big money and compete for the Premier League title, Man City and Liverpool spend big money and don’t compete for the Premier League title, whilst Arsenal spend big money... oh hang on, no they don’t. Under this thin façade of normality, major upheaval has been taking place. Clubs are making huge losses, some clubs are almost going under and some of the richest clubs are in massive debt.

This is not to be ignored. Football is business now and business can’t operate like this. UEFA know it, the FA and the clubs know it.

Arsenal Football Club is on a set course and has been for a number of years - financial stability and sustainability. They clearly do not intend to deviate. This club want to be a profitable business and ultimately achieve success off the back of this.

Arsenal Football Club is on a mission. Wenger has been instrumental in Arsenal taking this path. But Wenger is not alone or responsible, the Arsenal board are set on this course too and undoubtedly the new ownership too.

And it is the right course.

UEFA have, quite rightly, brought in their new rules regarding balancing the books at football clubs. Maybe they were inspired by the Arsenal. A club that can balance the books and still compete even when all others throw money to the wind.

The UEFA rules have not had any impact at the moment, possibly due to football being all about the here and now. However, when the penny drops I think there could be a shockwave as well as a potential disaster for some of the more profligate clubs.

This is when Arsenal come to the fore. Arsenal play by the rules already. We don’t need to change. But similarly, don’t expect us to. Supporters’ pleas for massive spending in the summer will remain unheard.

For the next couple of seasons we will have to put up with the same Arsenal we’ve had for the last six. Which for some, who haven’t known Arsenal under previous management, may feel like an eternity. In my opinion Wenger is the best man to guide us through this period. He frustrates the hell out of me too but the financial model is in place and will not depart, even if Wenger does.

If you want Wenger to go, just consider whether your replacement will get us into the Champions League without spending. He would have to. So Wenger it is, and you never know, we may even win something in the next couple of seasons anyway.

Just wait it out a little longer. In a short while it will dawn on clubs that they will fail to balance the books and as a result face exclusion from immensely lucrative UEFA competitions. They will have to take drastic action to curb their expenditure if they wish to remain competitive in the long run. This is likely to hurt all of our competition.

All the while Arsenal, whilst quietly paying off a manageable stadium debt, will be raking in the gate receipts and will ultimately emerge the triumphant dominant force in a pared down Premier League.

See, it’s not all bad.

Besides, the Champions League will be a lot easier to win when you are the only team allowed in it.


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  1. Daniella

    May 14, 2011, 2:44 #6871

    Of Course UEFA loves Arsenal! We are an English club that never wins anything and doesn't compete with the Spanish and Italian giants for signings. There are easy ways to get around FFP for Abramovich and Sheikh Mansour. Two that I can think of, off the top of my head, 1. buy the value needed to break even in gift shop vouchers from the club gift shop. For Example if the club is going to lose £50m that year, the owner buys £50m worth of vouchers or merchandising from the club shop, ergo they have the required amount of revenue to break even. Or 2. Both Chelsea and Man City owners own their clubs stadiums (Eastlands & Stamford Bridge) outright with no debt, to raise revenue they take out loans (from their own network of companies)secured against the stadiums. UEFA FFP does not include loans or debt as Barca, Man U and Real would be banned due to their debt levels, it only covers revenue. I can think of ways to get around it and I'm just an average person.

  2. Jekyll

    May 13, 2011, 17:45 #6852

    I didn't misunderstand, Chris M. You said "There are only 2 clubs which would not switch positions with Arsenal in the league right now" My point was I don't think that's true if that meant they were stuck with a manager who never learns or adapts. I think a lot of clubs would rather be lower down with the hope of change for next season, which we Arsenal fans don't realistically have, based on Wenger's recent history. Arsenal fans sound like we've been relegated because we've hit relegation form just when it mattered - yet again. The dismay is fully justifiable.

  3. Highbury Boy

    May 13, 2011, 16:29 #6850

    I hate to be the one to tell you that Santa Claus doesn't exist. Neither does the Tooth Fairy nor the UEFA Fair Play Rules. Not long ago the media were saying Chelsea were going to break even and not spend big on transfers as they were preparing for the new rules. Didn't last long. Man City had stopped spending. Oh yeah! Even if any of the big clubs like Real Madrid or ManU were challenged and threatnened with being thrown out of the CL what would happen? They would jump for joy and set up their own League and Arsenal would be one of the first to put up their hand and clamour to join them. Wake up and smell the coffee. The AKBs cannot hope the new rules will save them.

  4. Chris Moore

    May 13, 2011, 12:45 #6820

    I think you misunderstood, Jekyll, the point was that we'll finish 3rd in the premiership but if you listened to Arsenal fans you'd think we've just been relegated.

  5. SteveO 35

    May 13, 2011, 8:43 #6814

    The UEFA fair play rules will be unenforceable and in the same way you say that the AMGs are getting all wound up, equally the AKBs are getting excited by a framework that will be so loose and full of loopholes. Guys we are talking about clubs like Man City and Chelsea that are being bankrolled by individuals worth BILLIONS. So Man City might lose £300m in a year - simple solution one of the other businesses within the portfolio owned by Abu Dhabi simply pumps in a £300m sponsorship deal. There are countless other ways that these clubs expensive lawyers will pick their way through the regulations....and you fancy the goons at UEFA to win a legal battle with them. Please.

  6. Mark R

    May 13, 2011, 8:07 #6812

    And? It makes no difference we will still a joke in the transfer market. I still shake by head in despair over the Mark S keeper fiasco. Even if we were on a level playing field with money we would still fanny about whilst the like of The spuds and west ham out bid us....

  7. Tom

    May 13, 2011, 0:05 #6810

    I don't think you will find many gooners out there who want us to spend massively, and pay 50m quid for a forward like the Chavs and the mancs. Thats what sets us apart from them. All we want is for the manager to address the obvious weaknesses in the team and sign some more leaders to compliment the others. With regards to the UEFA guidelines,they are a joke - All of the main offenders have lawmen working around the clock identifying loop holes. Do you really think that the Chavs and Mancs won't spend 150m each this summer?

  8. Drew

    May 12, 2011, 23:13 #6809

    Why should we put up with it (besides we have to)? We have a huge squad of injury prone serial underperformers. We don't have to spend big, just jettison the dead weight and buy some strong, complimentary players with that cash. But we don't, (because???) that's the big point.

  9. Vince

    May 12, 2011, 20:32 #6806

    Some good points, and yes Arsenal are a very well run and astute club and so many positives in the way we play and have succeeded in building the stadium, a promising team on relatively little outlay, playing great football and 'almost' winning some trophies along the way. We are living within our means and I for one would not want to 'buy' the title as the chavs have done and City are now trying to do. Put simply I do not think Wenger should go but, I do believe there need to some modest changes. Firstly, Wenger needs a new number 2, Pat Rice has been a great servant to Arsenal and I respect him a lot, but Wenger now needs someone who can take a higher profile in coaching and motivating the lads and somehow instilling a better winning mentality, as there are too many occasions when we appear to shoot ourselves in the foot (Diably against Newcastle, Eboue against Liverpool) cannot hold a lead. Secondly Arsenal do need to battle in the transfer market, not paying 30 or 40 million but also not trying to penny pinch and then missing out- how badly we needed a keeper 2 years ago but dillied and dallied. Finally when things go badly please Arsene stop acting the victim, I know we have some rought decisions but you need to get more streetwise or find a number 2 who can help you with the media side of things. So, not large scale change as the clubs general philosophy is right, but a few modest changes are definitely required.

  10. Jekyll

    May 12, 2011, 19:05 #6802

    To Chris Moore's response at 15.20: How many clubs would swap positions with a club whose team collapses in March every single season yet are stuck with a manager who just repeats the same mistakes over and over and over? I think a good few would rather finish below us this season and at least have the hope of change next season.

  11. chrisy boy

    May 12, 2011, 18:41 #6801

    john (7431) not as quite as deluded as arsene, and trust me hope its not true, just passing on a call i recieved earlier and now im told its on some bbc website,

  12. CD

    May 12, 2011, 18:36 #6799

    @Kev g. Hope you are right about that, but either way we all know that the clubs will use every trick in the book plus some new ones, to get round these rules. If they genuinly couldn't then a breakaway would happen, and without all the big names in the Champ League it would be a dead duck. UEFA are not going to lose their main income stream, and will simply turn a blind eye to their own new rule book as a breakaway would make them obsolete and they know it.

  13. Joe Fitzpatrick

    May 12, 2011, 18:29 #6798

    I wish I could share your optimism. What is there to stop Man city or Chelsea receiving dodgy sponsorship deals from companies also owned by their billionaire owners? There will be loopholes and their lawyers will find them. Will Barca and Real comply with the regulations? If they won't or can't then the whole thing is meaningless.

  14. john.

    May 12, 2011, 17:52 #6797

    Chris. your obviously Deluded as Arsene.

  15. Mark

    May 12, 2011, 17:34 #6796

    for me its not just about some intangible business orientated goal of CL qualification - does that get you out of your seat ?? well it doesnt me. I want an Arsenal side and a management with more passion for trophies and not focused on a business equation of 4th place CL equals £40mpa ! i am fed up with that arent you ? you should be. this is the attitude that has wrecked Arsenal and taken its heart away

  16. chrisy boy

    May 12, 2011, 17:26 #6795

    a bit of news to cheer us all up, have you heard that the great ex charlton boss phil parkinson has been linked to us as our new coach to replace pat rice ! ! ! He will fit in so well with our ex bournemouth goalkeeping coach gerry payton.

  17. Gman

    May 12, 2011, 16:41 #6794

    I heard about this idea of restricting clubs by their balance sheets some time ago. Is it a definite then? Is that why Wenger sat on the 40 million from Adeybayor and Toure and waited nearly 2 years to get Chamakh on a free? I think Mr Wenger with his degree in economics should go into accountancy and leave managing a football team with such a pedigree to some one who’s got some tactical nous. Most managers with anything about them would have realised we have problems in goal and in central defence and would have done something about it. I’m afraid the overriding vision of this season will be the last minute debacle of the Carling Cup final Oh and by the way, the 5m he paid for Squillaci, should be written off as a tax loss!

  18. Chris Moore

    May 12, 2011, 15:20 #6790

    It seems optimism is not the order of the day, or is it wanted... To address some of the comments – There are only 2 clubs which would not switch positions with Arsenal in the league right now.. and Rome is burning? You must’ve been a barrel of laughs in the 80’s and 90’s! I do suggest that club financial strength has a knock on affect to club on-field success. In fact, I would've thought that even just a cursory glance at professional football would lead to that conclusion. How do I answer the question over Citeh spending £100m + in advance of UEFA restrictions? To quote from UEFA - ‘ Real Madrid and Arsenal would comfortably meet FFP requirements but Barcelona, Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool & Manchester City would fail at present’ So I guess they need to balance the books in future or UEFA won’t let them in. ‘Would you play Bendtner at outside-left Mr Moore?’ No. It seems many think that UEFA are powerless to change a thing and they are so thick that they will just allow blatant circumventing of the rules by wily rich clubs. I’m less sceptical, seeing as this is the same powerless bunch of naïve imbeciles that banned an entire nation’s football clubs (the leading European football nation at the time) from European competition for 5 years. How meaningless those competitions became because of it… ‘This article does not address or explain all our problems at the moment’ No, you’re right, it doesn’t.

  19. DJADBMc

    May 12, 2011, 15:14 #6789

    There are so many fantasies and misguided ideas about the Club Licensing & FFP Regulations it is baffling. UEFA haven’t dreamt up these regulations overnight. They have been developing them with support of many bodies including the European Council in Brussels since 2004 and were approved in 2010. Just because a club qualifies for UEFA competition doesn’t give them the right to play in it. The club requires a UEFA licence to compete and if they are in breach of the Club Licensing & FFP Regulations UEFA have to power to withhold or revoke the clubs licence. Exclusion from UEFA competitions is only one of many sanctions UEFA can impose (but the one that the media have got their teeth into). UEFA also haven’t spent the millions they have on these regulations with their heads in the sand thinking that clubs won’t try to find loopholes around them by means of financial doping. Make no mistake these regulations will change the landscape of European football. For anyone interested the full 91 page document containing the Club Licensing & FFP regulations can be downloaded via UEFA website.

  20. Seven Kings Gunner

    May 12, 2011, 14:53 #6787

    The UEFA rules will last as long as the first club that challenges them - under restriction of trade the sound logic of running football under proper financial guidelines will be blown out of the water.

  21. Ball-Pen McRuler

    May 12, 2011, 14:48 #6786

    Not a single post that agrees with this article and rightly so, what a crock. Keep living in your la la land Chris dear.

  22. Theo's Underpants Designer

    May 12, 2011, 14:42 #6785

    I think we've all been had!!! This article was surely written in sarcasm, no? I mean, no one truly believes that the proposed FFP rules are going to make everything okay - not even Platini and Wenger - do they?

  23. Graham Yates

    May 12, 2011, 14:32 #6783

    @Chris, made a mug of yourself here mate. You article reads like someone who doesn't fully understand the UEFA edict or didn't do your research before writing this piece. As many have pointed out below all clubs that are in the firing line will find a way to wiggle out of it, based on their standing in the football hierarchy. However if we take the UEFA rules as read (regardless of all the antics that clubs will pull to remain within the CL, or just breakaway) we as a club will still struggle. Our commercial sponsorship revenue is in a pretty dire state and this is the main revenue (amongst ticket sales & merchandising) that UEFA is citing as the money that a club can pay wages & conduct transfers with. Kroenke primarily has this job to do to bring in more exposure across Asia & America which means Wenger won't be taking the boys to Austria any more. The stellar clubs in Europe will find it easy to find extra revenue this way, as will Man City as they have already lined up huge deals with Gulf Air & Ettihad as most of the owners of the club have extended families within the other sponsors they have. I think ourselves & Chelsea will find the going even tougher than it is now with or without Wenger around.

  24. Richy

    May 12, 2011, 13:37 #6781

    Dear God this article has been flames by everyone but thought I would add some more to it! Utter rubbish. It shows the small time AKB mentality whereby the only way Arsenal could ever be successful, would be by all other clubs being banned!!! You don't even wanna beat the best, you want the best to disappear? Classic Loser talk. I won't even mention our huge wage bill, Wenger's obscene salary, and the fact that we pay big money to tools like Diaby, Denilson, Chamakh, Song, Eboue, Rosicky etc... Like I said. Pure rubbish this is. Desperate times now for the AKBs!

  25. Goontown

    May 12, 2011, 13:17 #6780

    Boring article Wenger himself has stated in Arsenal.com that these rules are too vague to have any real impact. I Basically feel the there is no AKBs or any of these lame titles, But genuine gooner fan base across the globe and in Britain who are very tired of the same tape being played over and over again by Wenger. The Most important thing Arsenal football club needs to hire is actually more strategic and technical back room staff and the best defensive coaching money can buy. If Wenger does not realise this for his own good, then >>>>>>>>>it will be a sad day

  26. Der Projekt ist Kaput

    May 12, 2011, 13:13 #6779

    Absolutely agree, BNG. All this 'Jam tomorrow for Arsenal because UEFA will shake up overspenders' is all guff. We've all read the ridiculous overspends/debts at Manchester Utd, Chelsea, Man City - but also consider this: Barcalona in an audit by Deloitte last July put the clubs debts as 442m Euros. Real Madrid two years ago was in debt by 600m Euros, the cumulative losses of Inter Milan from 2007-09 was 509m Euros and only the 65m Euros sale of the amazingly overrated Kaka provided AC Milan with a 'mere' 10m Euro debt. I've no doubt there are other plenty of other household name clubs operating under similar financial conditions (but I'm at work and haven't got time to stay on Google!). My point is this: If UEFA said 'Right, to enter the Champions League you're going to have to balance your books from now on' - the response would be 'Fine, we'll start our own football confederation and we'll see how many TV viewers you get for your Shamrocks v QPR games as compared to our Barca v Real / Inter Milan v Man Utd / AC Milan v Chelsea etc etc'. I think we all know what UEFA will do then.

  27. Richard Ansell

    May 12, 2011, 13:13 #6778

    I like where you are coming from Chris and I agree that football has to put it's house in order. I hate the crazy unustainable wage structures now (up to 91% of turnover in some cases)and I do fear for the future. Couple that with the appalling cheating an play-acting we regularly see and it is a very sorry state of affairs. Will UEFA do anything about it? Yes it seems that they are trying but I agree with CD's comment that clubs like Citeh and Chelski will find ways round these 'tough' new financial constraints and the level playing field we all crave will never happen. Arsenal are indeed a fine example of how a football club should be run in a financial sense but until UEFA really get tough the only thing we will be polishing is our halo!

  28. kev g

    May 12, 2011, 13:09 #6777

    Cd The benefactors can not just up sponsorship to mask them pumping millions in to the club. Uefa have said such deals have to be of fair market value. This stops your suggestion happening.

  29. Aaron

    May 12, 2011, 13:07 #6776

    Financial fair play will not help us drill a back 4 and not be susceptible to aerial threats. When the new rules kick in will everyone have no money for centre halves and defend as Arsenal do now, therefore handing us trophies..........

  30. Fozzy's mate

    May 12, 2011, 12:52 #6774

    Fair play rules prohibit you from losing more than 45 million euros reducing to 30 million per season in 2015/2016. No sanction can be made until 2013/4. These clubs will increase their 'income' to ensure they do not breach the rules. You appear to buy in to the Wenger, we will be the last man standing theory and also the "do you want us to gobust" theory. Most fans including me do not want massive debts through spending, what we want is for our manager and resources to utilise some the funds we have in reserve (110 million according to the club), to strengthen a squad which has not delivered a trophy for 6 seasons, rather than building a cash mountain, which in turn leads to a huge share price. Liverpool sold their prize asset for £50 million but spent the funds on Saurez and Carroll. What we **** to is selling your assets, eg. Toure and Adebayor and banking the fees. If we sell one or both of Cesc and Nasri this summer, do you really think we will reinvest the fees received, given Wengers recent track record? And thius going bust scaremongering club propoganda is insulting when the 2 men who own 90% of the shares have a combined fortune of 10-15 billion. Why not sell Cesc and Nasri pocket the funds and say we are the richest club in the world. In the summer Manure, Chelski, Citeh, scousecheats and spuds will show their ambition in the transfer market. As the most cash rich of all those clubs, charging its fans the highest prices, will we show the same level of ambition?

  31. melvyn

    May 12, 2011, 12:50 #6772

    Agree with your comments,but think how better we could have done by selling 6/7 consistant under achievers and buying 2/3 quality performers at no real net cost.That is why perhaps so many of us are frustrated with our manager.

  32. 6ooner Pete

    May 12, 2011, 12:22 #6770

    Chelski et al can just say one of their boxes costs 3 million a match and that would fit in with the Eufa guidelines. This article does not address or explain all our other problems at the moment. Poor coaching, poor players being overpaid, no investment in the team etc etc etc!!!

  33. Spectrum

    May 12, 2011, 12:21 #6769

    In football, a star player can start off young and fresh, with lots of enthusiasm. He can have a huge amount of skill and talent, be tactically astute, have a footballing brain, and lots of stamina. But as time passes, his talent begins to wane. He finds it harder to do the things he used to in previous years. Eventually he goes into decline, and if he continues for too long his form suffers, and his achievements lose their gloss. Then he knows it’s time to quit, before he gets that inevitable tap on the shoulder. The saying “You’re only as good as your last game” then rings true. If this applies to players, why not to managers, also ? "In Arsene we rust."

  34. Nick

    May 12, 2011, 12:19 #6768

    We dont need to spend like citeh or the chavs BUT we could, still manage to bring in the quality and experience we need by spending appx 60 mill, easily achievable by offloading some deadweight and from using what weve alredy got from the sales of adyebarndoor and kolo, so wed STILL be working within ueafa rules, it remains to be seen whether or not our manager believes that is what we need to do, if he doesnt, and we crash and burn again next season, im afraid the time wil have come to say aurevoir and thanks for the memories.

  35. D

    May 12, 2011, 12:01 #6767

    hmmm let's wait for the football apocolypse then we might win a trophy... not going to happen. Clubs will find a way around these new UEFA rules and it won't last. Talking about a financial model, well what happened to the cash from Kolo Toure and Adebayor? I think we only spent a fraction of it. This was money that was generated through player sales and should have been put straight back into the team. As long as the fans get sucked in to thinking like directors of a business the less successful we'll be. I'm not one to say we have to win a trophy every year by any stretch but we should at least be showing some ambition, and I don't mean trying to win the premiership through the back door, I mean investing in a team capable of leading the way. Even Georgie Graham was winning us trophies when we were crap in the league. That team had less ability but balls twice the size of the current squad. We need some bastards down the spine of our team this summer. And a proppa defensive coach might not be a bad idea?

  36. TeeCee

    May 12, 2011, 12:00 #6766

    It's absolutely pointless for one club to 'make a stand' regarding finances just the same as any country who says 'we'll have no nuclear arms' stands on the brink when all around them are armed to the teeth. Do you really think there are no loopholes in the new UEFA rules? Whats stopping Abramovich and Mansour from 'buying' £50m pounds worth of their own club merchandise and then donating it to African kids? A silly example I know but possible, there will always be ways around rules. Arsenal need to be more competitive or face a future fighting for 4th or 5th place. One of the biggest problems is the mug supporters who refuse to open their eyes.

  37. Kev G

    May 12, 2011, 11:37 #6764

    There is no way on Earth that UEFA will ban teams from entering the CL or Europa League. they couldn't afford not to have Madrid, Barca, Man Utd even Chelsea in it. No matter what the financial state of the cluns they will appeal and appeal spending on lawyers etc to find a loophole. The only positive there is from our model at present is when we finally pay off the debt we will be the richest club in the world as we do not have masses of bank loans like other clubs it is literally the debt on the fixed asset (stadium). This costs £20m a year to service, £15m for interest and £5m for capital repayment. There are about another 20 years until it is paid in full but it is on a reducing balance, like our mortgage. So in 5-10 years it will become significantly cheaper to so. All the above of course depends on CL qualification and the £30m approx that it brings in for us. As the author says Wenger is the man to guide us to the CL every year on a shoestring budget, however at present he has at least £30m in a transfer proceeds account sitting there waiting to be used. supplement this with sales of dead wood and we could get the quality the squad needs in the summer. I somehow doubt he will use it unless we are in danger of not getting 4th. Remember 2008/09 when it looked unlikely so he bought Arshavin for £15m???

  38. GreenTea

    May 12, 2011, 11:23 #6763

    Who is asking Wenger to splash the cash.. Are we asking Wenger to sign players like Wesley Sniejder, Rooney, Terry, Ferdinand, Villa, CR7..no we just wanted an experienced CB English player who played EPL for a long long time and a decent keeper by selling Alumunia and Squalici... will Arsenal go bankrupt by doing this? If it will then Arsene Wenger should stop dreaming about title...

  39. Ramgun

    May 12, 2011, 11:21 #6761

    The article is a perfect example of what Wenger himself does. Wenger, along with Mr Moore and most shades of AKB, proposes stupid behaviour as the only alternative to the turgid and repetitive failure of recent years. Nobody I know wants Arsenal to spend money we don't have, however we don't spend the money we do have and we waste huge amounts of money by keeping Almunia, Diaby, Denilson etc.. for years and years. That is costly in terms of results and costly in terms of economics. The other point that needs to made is that it is incredibly naive to think that UEFA, who I wouldn't trust for a second, are going to take on and beat Real Madrid and Barcelona (amongst others). Wenger has been shown to be tactically hopeless, even Stoke laugh at us now, and inflexible to the point where I wonder at his mental state. Would you play Bendtner at outside-left Mr Moore?

  40. Moscow Gooner

    May 12, 2011, 11:20 #6760

    "Besides, the Champions League will be a lot easier to win when you are the only team allowed in it." But if you re the only (big) club in it it s not worth winning anyway! You re also making a very big assumption in terms of the gate receipts staying high long enough to deliver the premiums... What happens if support drops to 40 000 or lower whilst United continue pulling in 75 000?

  41. Ray

    May 12, 2011, 11:11 #6758

    The comment the other day was Ferguson would have won the title with any of the other top 4 teams.I believe that to be true.But does anyone think Wenger would have won the title with Utd?.He wouldnt have had VDS,Scholes and Giggs in the team.They would have not been at Utd because as we all know they would be too old for Wenger.Ferguson picks players on talent not age.Ferguson changes his team to suit opponents ie Park.When does Wenger ever change his line up because of the opposition.He pick teams that play the same way whether we are playing Bolton or Barcelona.When have we ever played two upfront this season.Even at home against Blackburn and Sunderland games we had to win.But its Wengers project and he will not change and Kroenke will not sack him.This season wasnt a one off we had the same in 2008 and 2010.Its like ****ing Groundhog day

  42. Carlos

    May 12, 2011, 11:07 #6756

    Utter fantasy. Do you for a minute think that any of the big clubs with big debts (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man Utd, City, Inter, AC Milan, Juventus, Chelsea, Valencia) are going to be excluded by UEFA from the Champions League? What will it be, Arsenal v Bayern Munich in every final from 2013 onwards? You are deluded. However, whether or not you are deluded is immaterial, because unless there is a sea change in recruitment policy the only Champions League football we will be seeing will be on the tele. And finally, check you figures. Just because we don't spend masses on transfer fees doesn't mean we don't spend money on the football side of the business - check out our wage bill - a testament to squad mismanagement if ever there was one.

  43. Stuart

    May 12, 2011, 11:03 #6755

    The UEFA rules will change nothing. They will be so watered down by the time they come to fruition that they will make no difference at all. There is no way in the wold that UEFA will want to hold the Champions League without their big name clubs because sponsors and tv stations will pull out meaning a loss of revenue. This would also lead to the banned clubs potentially forming their own super-leagues or tournaments, which UEFA know will spell the end of their competitions. I am worried that Arsenal have relied on these UEFA rules for so long without ever truly knowing what they will be and how they will affect the other clubs. It's a bit like trying to win the 100 metres, realising you're not fast enough and hoping that your rivals get injured or fail to turn up on time. I can see a situation where we do win the Champions League but only after all the decent clubs have pulled out or formed their own version.

  44. danalovAFCXI

    May 12, 2011, 10:53 #6754

    This article reads like a Marxist hoping for the downfall of the capitalist system. Sadly it didn’t happen the status quo was maintained. Yes UEFA like us and our financial ethos but no it won’t change a thing. Yes Arsenal is a Business but in Business you speculate to accumulate and this board and this manager do neither. Football is a business these days, but it is still a game and if you play a game you should be playing to ****ing win Wenger has let us all know he isn’t in it for that. If you think the board have some master plan other than short term profit for share holders then you are mistaken. Arsene is a spent force he is leading us into mediocrity when our major competitors were weak this season, we were on the cusp of glory but due to ill thought out tactics and lack of solid transfers we came away with **** all. At this time we also face major threats to our stability by the progress and spending power of other lesser teams (Spuds & Citeh). If we let them overrun us we are doomed to years of mid table nothingness. In recent years Wenger has clearly not adapted to these new threats and therefore is no longer needed. Surely a new manager with a fresh approach could do no worse.

  45. HowardL

    May 12, 2011, 10:35 #6752

    From what I read in this morning's Times "Citeh" are about to spend £100m+ in advancxe of (and of course to minimise the effect of) the UEFA restrictions. They will thus have all the good players they need - possibly even Cesc if the article is accurate. How would you answer that? AFC need to compete NOW, not in some dim and distant rose-tinted future.

  46. CD

    May 12, 2011, 10:32 #6751

    The only problem with this UEFA rule is that clubs like Man City and Chelsea who have rich sugar daddies can in an instant change their own clubs income streams by making their own companies the main sponser of their club. What would stop the Man City owners from increasing the shirt sponsership deal to say £300 million per season? In an instant the club would suddenly be balancing their books and they would be living within their means according to these new UEFA guidelines. Dont forget the figure I have just plucked out of the air would still only be small loose change from their pockets and hence they could easily do this. This is why Chelsea spent £70 million in January and why Man City & Chelsea will probably go mental in the transfer market this summer, as they are now both in the Champ League and have the ability to change their accounts to comply with these new regulations. Hence it will be just as tough for other clubs to compete, and will simply encourage other sugar daddies to follow suit, leaving clubs without one downstream without a paddle!

  47. Bergkampisgod

    May 12, 2011, 10:31 #6750

    Its not about spending massive amounts of money, its about spending the money we have. We have not spent a penny of the toure adebarndoor money from city and we were told that once everything had settled at the new stadium we would be in a much better postition to compete, well we have a debt of £20mill per annum and profits last year of £50 million added to the bardndoor money makes about £75 mill have we spent that NO!! if we had spent some bolstering the squad so we didnt have to play Eboue denilson squillaci would we have won the league PROBABLY. That is the issue not that we dont have money we accepted that but now we have money and we still think that top 4 is an achievement. Dont get me wrong i was here in the 70's and 80's but then we knew we couldn't compete at the very to now its just a mans stubbornness that is stopping us from winning, we are close and that causes anguish, we could have should have won the league but due to scrouge being in charge we havent, would you have brought a short term replacement for TV in January I would would we have won the league again probably. Its ok building for tomorrow, but eventually tomorrow must become today and whilst we have Wenger all we will get is tomorrow.

  48. delgooner

    May 12, 2011, 10:22 #6749

    yeah and my dad's the pope

  49. BNG

    May 12, 2011, 10:19 #6747

    Blimey another let's fiddle while Rome burns article, at least this one only has another 2 year wait instead of the 5 year one for the promised land, If you seriously think that the Chavs and other debt laden clubs with their lawyers won't find a way to circumvent the new laws then you are extremely gullible my friend

  50. Sarge

    May 12, 2011, 10:19 #6746

    You seem to suggest that the strength of our financial position will have a positive knock on effect on the footballing or 'technical' side as OGL calls it. I'm afraid that to an extent the two are mutually exclusive. Whilst we may be strenghtening our financial position in the context of our competitors (domestic and european), it doesn't mean that better decisions, management and a positive uplift in performances will follow suit. Beng cash rich does not mean that titles and cup triumphs will automatically follow at the expense of our cash strapped rivals. This a rather niaive and simplistic assessment. Being cash rich gives us the potential to buy quality that raises the team's performance to overhaul our rivals. However, as recent seasons have suggested, with what money has been spent OGL has not invested wisely in the squad with at best the acquisition of average players and the purchase of some outright duds at worst. Can you trust the man to make the right acquisitions going forward to address those areas that have screaming out for improvement of a few seasons now? To reiterate, supporters are not asking for massive marquee signings (a myth perpetuated by the media and misdirection by Wenger himself). They are asking for quality signings to address the positional and squad weaknesses that have manifested themselves on an all too regular basis over the course of the last 3 seasons. What started out as relatively minor issues that can and should have been nipped in the bud early doors with some sensible buys have developed into fundamental flaws that have inhibited the progress of this team and its ability to win things.

  51. angelic beardy

    May 12, 2011, 10:08 #6744

    It's not about massive spending which irritates most Gooners it is that Wenger does not correct what is wrong with the team. Defensively we have been poor for the last 3 seasons continually letting in poor goals on a regular basis with goal keepers more error prone than is normal. The fact is every time i watch Arsenal i always feel we will concede from set pieces, if we seriously want to win anything we have to sort out our defense full stop.

  52. Jekyll

    May 12, 2011, 10:04 #6743

    Do you really think the big spending clubs won't find a way around the restrictions? If they couldn't, they'd split from UEFA and create their own European League. You've been taken in by the spin. The reason for not spending was to raise the share price for selling the club -which has now happened. The mission is to maximise profits. You're being disingenuous like Wenger in saying fans want 'massive spending' - what sensible people are asking for is to spend the money that is actually there in the player trading account, NOT put the club in debt.

  53. Bergmars

    May 12, 2011, 9:59 #6742

    An old chestnut this one and a fallacy,we pay £111 mill a year in wages and have shown a loss already for our last year. outgoing transfer fees are bolstering the decision to reward a lot of average players with huge wage hikes. Do you really think UEFA will let Barca,Madrid Manure et al go to the wall or punish them,I think not. This could just propel the big clubs into a breakaway league where all monies go to them rather than Platini,Blatter and their crooked cronies. No this is another myth perpetuated by the WKB brigade more smoke and mirrors.

  54. Ren Vassilliou

    May 12, 2011, 9:50 #6741

    Yeah we may even get to overtake Man Utd and liverpool as the most succesful team in Europe, What a load of Balony, lets get real and worry about whats happening now nad not what might happen in the future .. Get real Mr Winner ...