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All rise before RVP

RVP: Not as good as you might think


I can't peruse a media outlet or blog site without a tribute to the great man himself, Robin Van Persie. Now I like Robin, he's clearly a very nice guy and carries the sort of passion for AFC that we'd all like to see from each member of our squad, no complaints on that front, but the fans need to get this into context. The question we have to ask of every player in our squad, "Will this guy win us the Premier League?, Will he win us the Champions League?". My opinion is no, I don't think Robin will do that for us, even without taking his injury record into consideration.

Am I alone in thinking that the better RVP got towards the end of this season, the worse we became? I fear for us because if Robin gets any better, we're going to be relegated next season.

Football is not just about goals, it's a 90 minute spectacle. The media don't buy into that, if we put in an appalling performance and win 1-0 the reports the next day will talk of nothing but glorious passing football. If we put in a thrilling display, creating 20 clear goalscoring opportunities and failing to convert any of them, the reporters will talk of a dire team running on empty. Consequently, RVP is spoken of in glowing terms solely because of his end-of-season goal scoring record. But I'm not interested in RVP's personal goal-scoring record, I'm interested in us looking like a title-winning football team, I'm interested in us winning matches. We weren't winning football matches during this RVP crusade, we were drawing and losing football matches, no good. One might argue, and many are, that without his goalscoring exploits we'd have been in an even worse state. I can't buy into that. There's most certainly two sides to this story. The other side shows that at the beginning of our season when RVP was injured and Chamakh was up front, we were winning football matches. So whatever RVP contributed towards the end of this campaign, he was part of a collective shambles, and I would argue a primary contributor.

Am I arguing that Chamakh is a better footballer than RVP? No. Do I believe that he was part of a football team that had more purpose and more direction at the beginning of the season? Yes. Chamakh was playing in his proper position, up front, making a nuisance of himself, good pace, good technique, good strength, he can't score, you know he can't score, but he can hold the ball up very well for the five oncoming midfielders sitting behind him. Playing RVP in the same position makes no sense. He has no strength and no pace, he's a highly-technical footballer that likes time on the ball and this slowed our football to a near-halt in the final months of the season.

I know Chamakh's form collapsed and we couldn't continue to field him, I'm not necessarily saying Chamakh is the answer (though I believe he deserves another season), I'm just saying that RVP should not be held up as some messiah, and if only we had the players around him that he would lead us to the title. RVP is for me a puzzle. A good guy, highly technical like I've said, a good finisher, but it's hard to understand how we play winning football with him in our side. As RVP doesn't have the pace or strength up front, you have to look to play him either behind the front man in a Bergkamp role, or you stick him on the wing as a free spirit as Wenger often has previously. I personally don't believe RVP has anything like the cleverness of pass that Bergkamp had, so he doesn't fit the role. And personally I'd rather see an Overmars-like flyer on the wing, rather than RVP stuck out there looking to cut inside, we've had enough of that this season with Nasri.

RVP is unfortunately cursed with great talent, but not the physical attributes required to be one of the world's best, or at least one of the world's most effective. If you've watched many of the play-off matches recently, you'll see a whole bunch of really talented guys, some coming to the end of their careers. I've seen some brilliant goals, brilliant technique and you wonder to yourself, how did that guy manage to stay down in the lower leagues and never rise to the top? It's because great talent isn't enough, you must have the combination of talent and physical superiority. Likewise, Mr Walcott most certainly has the latter, but probably not the former.

I saw Samuel Eto’o a couple of times in the Champions League this season, and I was shocked at how good he was, pace, strength, a natural forward's movement, from a guy coming to the end of his career. You just have to see something like that to realise how we will always be struggling if we have RVP leading the line. RVP feels to me like a Spurs player, talented, will score the occasional great goal and at his best, he will help make you into a very good team, but not the very best. We need to try and find the best again, we need a Wright, an Henry, an Anelka. We need power up front or at the very least, someone like Chamakh who will fit into the team structure in a way that makes the better players more effective.

I'm convinced that we'd be a more effective outfit without RVP, if he was sold tomorrow I wouldn't shed a tear, I'd say thanks for the efforts Robin, appreciated and best of luck for the future, right let's look for something that might work now. Even without any signings this summer, Walcott playing off of Chamakh would give us more of a hope, it would make sense at least. One guy with a good leap that can knock the ball on, one guy with explosive pace to run behind. If we start next season with RVP up front, we're doomed.


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  1. Valgooner

    Jun 15, 2011, 14:58 #8784

    Ridicullous post.

  2. No. is perry groves....

    May 31, 2011, 12:54 #7986

    WTF!!!!! 22 goals in 26 games, yeah thats just what we dont need!! Our best player this season by miles. If you want rid of him you need your brains tested.

  3. Ant the Gooner

    May 30, 2011, 10:51 #7932

    you are having a laugh mate. NEVER say RVP is a spurs type player. he has way too much class for that, and is a gooner. go to spurs youself. muppet

  4. Augusto - Brazil

    May 30, 2011, 1:33 #7925

    ok, and what about the start of 2009/2010 season? rvp was playing and we were trashing most of our opponents. and chamakh sucks man. he cant make a decent shoot, he cant dribble past one opponent, he is slow, he cant continue our attacks, he is just good at air, only. the birmingham game that made us start performing poorly, and not rvp, before this game, even with him, we were winning games, i agree with you he isnt a dream striker, he is a deep-lying forward, but messi is also one, he doesnt have much physical strengh, he isnt so fast, he can control the ball very fast yes, and look at his goalscoring record, similar to rvp this year, and barcelona is still winning

  5. Munitionsman

    May 30, 2011, 0:00 #7924

    We were losing games cesc was either not playing in or was peripheral through injury (real or imagined)

  6. footyman

    May 29, 2011, 18:56 #7918

    The guy has a point, football is made up of many facets. Its no surprise that once RVP was fit Wenger dropped the IN FORM Chamakh. Which meant that he lost form and confidence. One minute he is top dog a Bordeaux, playing well for Arsenal. Then he is dropped. Confused...if I was Chamakh I would have been !

  7. Groverider

    May 29, 2011, 14:39 #7909

    This site is in dire need of some quality control. I know this place is supposed to be a mouthpiece for gooners but seriously the dreck that has been aired on here towards the latter part of the season is just toe curlingly embarassing. What do we as gooners achieve from letting utter half wit planks like Howard Davies publish this mentalist tripe? I bet it was sent in written in his own poo.

  8. Never Outgunned

    May 29, 2011, 13:23 #7905

    I agree with the author, I hate Robin Van Persie and think he's overrated, but then again I also thought oxygen was overrated before I entered a self-induced coma brought on by holding my breath!

  9. Omglol

    May 29, 2011, 1:19 #7896

    I realy dont get it. DO you saw Arsenal games this season? Do you saw RVP in action? Do you supported this club only last few days when you were writhing this blog? RVP has been hold as one of best attacker in EPL before he start scoring this year and after this fantastic period you come here and telling if he score he aint good. You cant be gooner no way, that or you got some hit in the head last few days.

  10. Ronster

    May 28, 2011, 18:18 #7874

    Who was it that gave Diaby that bollocking at half time up at Blackpool? Who was it that had late goals unfairly chalked off at Newcastle and Spurs that would have given us all 3 points?

  11. gunnerbriggs

    May 28, 2011, 15:56 #7867

    Total rubbish. It's a miracle that RVP wants to stay at this club. How disheartening it must be for him to work his bollixs off, score goals to get us ahead or back on terms in a game and then a minute later this pathetically organized defense concedes.

  12. Ed enough....

    May 28, 2011, 8:29 #7761

    If that's what you think of RVP, I'd hate to be at a dinner party with you, Denilson, Bendtner, and Rosicky...He is the only reason to be hopeful for next season at present. You are a "fan" we could do without.

  13. Kevin

    May 28, 2011, 1:29 #7759

    This was a terrible read. why just why would you write this about rvp, its our defence who messed up not him.

  14. Neil

    May 27, 2011, 23:01 #7757

    @Howard Davis. Those stats are seriously mis-scewed due to Nasri's goal scoring form early in the season There is no way Chamakh being in the team contributed to Nasri tearing apart defences before Christmas and had van Persie been up front then Nasri wouldn't have scored. Stats are like mini-skirts: what they reveal is interesting, what they conceal is crucial

  15. Aaron

    May 27, 2011, 22:04 #7756

    That's like saying Messi isn't good for Barca because he's not an orthodox number 9. Many clubs have moved away from the big man up front. Tevez has played up front on his own to great effect at City without being a traditional striker. Same for Rooney. Van Persie has been the only bright spot this calendar year bar Wilshere. If RvP hadn't been on form we could have faced the possibility of playing in the Europa League next year. Van Persie dragged us back into the Carling Cup Final. You honestly think Rosicky playing behind Chamakh would have won us the cup? We lack a supporting cast and mental fortitude. Questioning one of our only top quality players with the right attitude defies logic

  16. Terry

    May 27, 2011, 21:18 #7755

    Can you imagine if Vieira Bergkamp and Henry played just half a season for all their Arsenal careers.Thats what RVP has.This RVP worship is beyond a joke.This season was the first he had scored more than 11 league goals.But take no notice of the facts worship at the greatest luxury player ever.Would Ferguson Guardiola or Mourinho have a player who spends half a season on the treatment table at their clubs?You kidding me

  17. kd

    May 27, 2011, 20:24 #7754

    Remember we were on a poor form before RVP returned and since the chelsea game up till the end of february Arsenal were on fire. Its not RVPs fault that the team decided to self-destruct and start losing games after the carling cup final, you simply cant blame him for that.

  18. Walter

    May 27, 2011, 20:16 #7753

    So many Gooners are missing the point.RVP misses half a season every season.Thats the point.Its not just one season or two but every season.Look beyond what he does in the 20 games he plays.He can never be called a great player unless he plays a full season.And this bull**** about him loving the club dont make me laugh.Of course he loves the club what other club would pay him £4m a year for 20 games.

  19. emk

    May 27, 2011, 19:11 #7752

    Football is played with 11 players so why do you single out 2 and compare a whole team effort on this, it's beyond stupid. Why do I even bother to reply to such crap? Because your stupidity infuriates the hell out of me. What if RVP didn't score those goals, Chamakh wasn't likely to score at all the way he's been lately so where did the points had to come from then????? Just think before you write and stop trying to defend yourself in the comments section, it makes you look even more simple.

  20. Ronster

    May 27, 2011, 19:10 #7750

    Statistics can hide a multitude of sins and the truth for that matter.Association Football is a simple game and believe me Arsenal are simply a more ferocious opponent when Robin takes the field.Hey,who was it that pulled up the clueless Diaby in the dressing room up at Blackpool for picking up yet another stupid booking!? And who was it that had two perfectly good goals chalked off late in the games away to Newcastle and the Spuds that would have given us all three points!

  21. LeoGooner

    May 27, 2011, 18:31 #7748

    Howard, I don't agree with everything you say but I defend your right to say it without being insulted with the vitriolic bile that some of these "contributors" have come back with. If people can't express an opposing point of view without resorting to accusations of madness, supporting s****s and other assorted insults than they shouldn't bother

  22. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    May 27, 2011, 18:13 #7746

    What a donkey. The article writer I mean, not RVP. RVP's class. Imagine how much better he'd be playing in the second striker / no. 10 role with a flyer like Suarez or Hernandez in front of him...

  23. ppp

    May 27, 2011, 18:06 #7745

    rubbish! to call robin a spurs player is an insult to all genuine arsenal fans and robin himself. this ridiculous "article" lends weight to the fast growing opinion that this website peddles anti-arsenal propaganda written by mancs, chavs and spuds. disgusting.

  24. Dan

    May 27, 2011, 17:07 #7744

    Wow. You really picked a fight with this one! I disagree but I think RvP is a vital asset to Arsenal, just as a second striker rather than a leader of the line (which he does decently enough). Arsenal play better with Robin in a strike partnership with Chamakh or Bendtner. Maybe we need to go back to a 4-4-1-1/4-4-2, or possibly a diamond.

  25. Colonel Mustard

    May 27, 2011, 16:59 #7743

    Am i right in thinking this mentalist who wrote this article is criticsing a man who everytime he give his team an advantage f**k it up royally!

  26. rvpfan1

    May 27, 2011, 16:48 #7742

    do you even watch arsenal? this guy was an arsenal fan as a kid, he is trying to pull the squad together because he loves the club

  27. Howard Davies

    May 27, 2011, 15:37 #7739

    Lots of fair points, thank you, and a whole lot of bile from a number unwilling or incapable of understanding my points. As none have answered with statistics, I've collated some myself. Average number of points per match with Chamakh starting - 2.03, with RVP starting - 1.76. Number of goals scored by the team with Chamakh starting - 63, with RVP starting - 49. Number of goals from midfield players when Chamakh started - 35 (55%), when RVP started - 20 (40%). That would seem to suggest that far from needing a carer, my analysis had solid foundations. Of-course statistics aren't the be-all and end-all, you could have lots of arguments for saying why the team was more effective at the beginning of the season compared with the end (when RVP was playing), but as I said, RVP was at the very least, a contributing factor. When we have a squad full of midfielders who are waiting to thread the ball through to a striker, we need strikers with great movement and that is not RVP, he wants the ball to feet. Even Bergkamp struggled with RVP, I haven't seen any combination that works particular well with RVP. Cesc, Nasri, Wilshire need a Villa type up front, they need movement. Without movement this team is dead. Chamakh gave us movement at the start of the season and it was effective, lots of balls played through, lots of penalties. When RVP returned, everything became overly complicated, no easy goals, too much slow possession, our defence being hit on the break over and over again.

  28. JJB

    May 27, 2011, 14:11 #7733

    Your must be either very simple or having some learning difficulties, those are the only excuses I can you for such terrible opinions.........will they post anything on this site these days?

  29. Dhiren sudra

    May 27, 2011, 13:38 #7731

    Sorry il stop you there, if you want to win a league title you need a striker who will score 20+ goals, Robin done that and he didn't even play the whole season, of course you need to the whole team to do there job but you also need a striker who will score goals and score defenses it's Proven you won't win the league unless you have a striker who will score goals, our invincible team Thierry henry 30 plus goals, chelseas league tiles drogba 20+ goals, united this season they had Rooney berbatov and the brilliant Hernandez, you need your whole team To play well but you also need a striker who will bang in the goals

  30. Exiled-Gooner

    May 27, 2011, 13:38 #7730

    Sorry Howard,i can't agree with you.The problem has been is that RVP is being played as a main striker but,as rightly pointed out,he's a 2nd second striker and needs a partner but Wenger has been playing him up front alone and he's having to rely on the midfield helping him out which hasn't happened!!.When he has a strike partner to me he plays much better as he can position himself better,find space to run into but more crucial he doesn't have to rely solely on the midfield backing him as he is the 2nd striker and he's backing up his partner instead of trying hold up the ball etc etc but he's possibly the only player we have who will shoot from outside the box.Yes he holds the ball too long at times or takes on one too many players but when you have the certain midfielders who stand still looking like a spare p***k at a wedding what choice has he got???. I do think he's lucky to still be at The Arsenal due to injury record as other top clubs would have sold him long time ago and not kept on getting lucrative contracts but he has been plagued lesser this season by injury and has shown us he can score nearly 20 LEAGUE goals in a season instead of 10.I believe he needs a Smudger type partner-Smudger and Wrighty combo remember-and stay injury free then i think we might see more RVP jan-may 2011 in the future?.

  31. Mike H

    May 27, 2011, 13:37 #7729

    Howard , I bet you thought Bale deserved the PFA player award also. I did more than most and read half your article, but even i couldn't hack that much b***s***. RVP best Arsenal Striker and on this seasons form, probably our best midfielder as he often looks like he's playing two roles. Like to see someone else in attack with him, Karim Benzema as the dream (it'll never happen).

  32. Cheshire Gooner

    May 27, 2011, 13:28 #7728

    Ask yourself "what were Arsenal's best results this season?" United at home, Chelsea at home and Barca at home I would suggest. RVP started all 3. So I somewhat question that we are somehow weaker with him in the side. I actually agree to some degree that in certain games he isn't the best lone striker. But, I am a firm advocate of tactical flexibility depending upon your opposition - something Wenger has not shown this year (Nou Camp aside). I firmly believe that RVP can play as a second striker in a 442. This argument shouldn't be RVP or Chamakh. It's RVP AND Chamakh/An Other. We saw at Bolton how he can work as a deep lying forward (a la Dennis) so why not play him that way? I disagree that he can't do this. He is a hugely talented player. The truth of the matter is that RVP has saved this season to an extent. Without him would we have even got the points we did get in the final 3rd of the season? I doubt Chamakh or Nicky B would have contributed as much. The other, hugely important element is RVP's obvious love of the club and commitment to the cause. I keep reading how we need commitment, will to win etc..One of the few players who shows it and we should get rid of him? Lacks logic to me. (Interesting that the replacement, Chamakh, showed a distinct lack of commitment - if the rumours about Vegas are correct. Even if not true he was quoted as being "exhausted" after 4 months - not a great sign of hunger and desire) I've tried to make my response rational....

  33. B Dazzles

    May 27, 2011, 13:24 #7727

    Who was playing up front when we beat Barca and Man U? Get lost nit wit.

  34. Cesctastic

    May 27, 2011, 13:12 #7725

    what are you on about mate? Robin scored in every single leauge game since january, how can he be responsible for the dismal performances? he was doing his job putting the goal in the back of the net, great player, fantastic ability, world class.

  35. rodders999

    May 27, 2011, 13:08 #7723

    How did you get away from your carer long enough to post this?

  36. kdmgooner

    May 27, 2011, 13:01 #7720

    RVP (along with Jack) at least shows during games that he cares whether we win games or not. Whilst we continue to deploy assholes like Eboue and Almunia it doesnt matter how many goals he gets we are not going to win because that pair (along with a few more that we stiil pay good money to) are always going to screw up. If anything RVP deserves the captains arm band where was Cesc when we were at Fulham? Already back in Spain thats where

  37. Larsenal

    May 27, 2011, 12:45 #7718

    What are you talking about? RVP is not winning us matches? Remember the chelsea game? We were losing 1-0 and RVP turned it around in 5 minutes, getting us a 2-1 in over chelsea. And what to think about the times he saves our butt and getting us a draw instead of losing? Best example of that was probably when we were 1-0 down against Everton until RVP scored the equalizer in the last minute of the game. And you may say this was some time ago, but he still is great this season, I only think those are the best examples to show you what RVP is about. I think RVP is unlucky being in this form in a team letting goals in so easily. If only we had defended a little better, RVP would have got us some valuable wins the past months. Unbelievable this kind of rubbish is posted on this site...

  38. Stephen

    May 27, 2011, 12:34 #7715

    Arsenals best player by a mile!

  39. CH,

    May 27, 2011, 12:34 #7714

    U mad or WHAT?????????????????

  40. sm

    May 27, 2011, 12:25 #7713

    its our defence mate that got worse not RVP. who in their right mind can blame RVP on newcastle game when it went to 4-4. he scored two goals. now its on the defensive guys to shut up shop

  41. emk

    May 27, 2011, 12:22 #7712

    Your analyzing skills are cleary not your strong point and your arrogance is pathetic. You single out one player without taking all other factors in consideration how ignorant can you be...and if you think that with Chamakh as CF we would have ended higher than 4th your deluded.

  42. Graham Yates

    May 27, 2011, 12:21 #7711

    Howard I have to say this. RvP's goals would & should of meant alot more to our title challenge if our defence was any good. He along with Sagna & Wilshere have been our players of the season and one we can ill afford to lose. I used to feel the same way about Gilberto Silva amongst others as hindsight is a very powerful thing. We need to build around RvP as with Cesc leaving he will be our main man & Captain next season.

  43. Ron

    May 27, 2011, 12:16 #7710

    I disagree with Joe in called RVP 'World class' but hes a top, top player nontheless. Hes in the Fabregas bracket ie hes been let down by the Club/Wenger in that they have never bought him a player or players to play with so to max his talents. RVP is and never will be a lone striker as its totally correct, he does lack power. Hes an 'in the hole' or an old fashioned inside left/sometimes wide left type of player. Like Fabregas, hes asked week in, week out to be a multi tasking dual purpose player, doing the work of two players due to the dross alongside him. He needs supporting players to get the best from him. He needs to be rotated sensibly. Wenger has at least shown sigs of understanding this, albeit 5 years too late!

  44. yakz

    May 27, 2011, 11:56 #7708

    do u knw futball at all.rvp is king

  45. AFCasap

    May 27, 2011, 11:48 #7706

    and i bet you think the sun shines out of wengers arse....yes, this is classic akb thinking, delecting pressure from wenger at all costs....of all the losers and failures stinking up AFC, you pick on RVP????...how many goals has he scored since xmas????...total utter rubbish!!!...WENGER OUT!!!

  46. Dominic

    May 27, 2011, 11:47 #7705

    I have read some idiotic comments on the web but yours takes the biscuit. According to you it's RVP's fault that we can't defend set pieces and crosses. If we sell him on do you think that teh defenders will suddenly start to get into the right positions an actually attack crosses into our penalty area.

  47. Darran Lancley

    May 27, 2011, 11:32 #7704

    Worst Post Ever. If it wasn't for Van Persie, we would have done even worse. I am now going to find out how to block your posts from appearing on my screen, becausue quite frankly your stupidity offends me.

  48. Ronster

    May 27, 2011, 11:28 #7703

    Rockin' Robin's attitude,ability to self motivate and love for AFC is sadly missing from the majority of the squad that have once again failed to get over the line this season.It's remarkable that in a stop start career he has managed to find the net 95 times in 166 starts(a further 64 appearances as sub).This article disrespects Van Persie who has worn the red shirt with distinction.

  49. bedy

    May 27, 2011, 11:18 #7702

    I've been expecting somebody with good football reading sense to say this for a while thank God you did. Most of the time we were flying this season Van Persie and Fabregars were out injured and we never loose a match in fact we were wining convincingly,but when they came back we started loosing or draw why? Van Persie can not be an all out striker because the opponent backline can read him so the pressure on them is very minimal and he is good at scoring outside the box powerful shot but inside he is constrian with little space that why most of his shots are out wide or hit the post but from outside the box he will score tons of goals,so he should be supporting striker and i beleive is one of the reason we lost momentum towards the end,you can score one goal after ten atempts but look at our opposition out of 3atempts 2goals look at the begingning of the season out of 7 atempts we score 6 goals.I know people will not like this post but am not saying Van Persie is not good,he is very good talented player but he is not been played at his best position.

  50. Stevie

    May 27, 2011, 11:10 #7701

    the one bit of hope we have in our team is rvp and u still knock him, what a lousy useless post.

  51. Holywood Gooner

    May 27, 2011, 10:50 #7699

    On balance, I'd have to agree. RVP is a great individual player, but doesn't quite fit into our system and therefore makes the team less effective.

  52. Tayo

    May 27, 2011, 10:47 #7698

    This is the greatest unfair comment I've read about RVP. It is a big shame that a writer like yours will be so ungrateful to unarguably the most committed player we've had this season. I guess you always watch Arsenal play with your two eyes close to conclude that RVP isn't strong or doesnt go with so much speed. Is it his fault that Chamack lost form or all the hitherto explosive player went on holidays? I rather will question the coach for not fortifying the team during the transfer window than put the blame on chocolate legs. If you dont know this, get it clear that all it requires for a team to win a premiership title is just 38 goals only if the goals are for each of the games and with full assurance that they will keep a clean sheet. FOOD FOR THOUGHT

  53. MGJ

    May 27, 2011, 10:34 #7696

    Poor defending is why we lost games. Simple as that. F off and go support Spurs if you want to criticise RVP, I'm sure Crouch is more to your liking holding the ball up.

  54. AugustusCaesar

    May 27, 2011, 10:32 #7695

    An interesting post that makes some good, valid points, and a few questionable ones too. It seems to have gone over the head of most people on here though not surprisingly who have dismissed it out of hand, probably without reading the full content. I can't really be arsed to engage in a discussion about RvP though as I can't really be bothered to engage in any discussion on this site anymore. It's turned in to a vitriolic, bile spouting haven for morons on the whole.

  55. Mark

    May 27, 2011, 10:23 #7694

    i partly see where you are coming from. Berkhamp tended to play 2nd fiddle to Wright then Anelka then Henry and not play as many games in 1st 11 as one would imagine and that was because you couldnt really type cast what he was. finisher or advanced midfield. i do think with better players around him RVP's role would become more defined but lets face it the guy has to drift all over the place just to pick up the pieces that others do not..

  56. Shawn

    May 27, 2011, 10:17 #7693

    This is the worst post i have ever seen.Did u even watch any Arsenal match?If u did u would have seen dat RVP saved Arsenal several times.If we had more players like him in d squad wiv d same level of commitment and skill,then d team will be in good shape.Next time,make sure u read what u are posting.

  57. Double98

    May 27, 2011, 10:02 #7692

    I noticed the same - Arsenal's form dipped when RVP came back - is he an excellent striker - yes, was he the best in the league - yes - can we win a title with him - not unless he changes his game (or Wenger plays him as a second striker with someone else ahead of him). The effort that goes into supporting Van Persie style of play is huge, creating space for him, providing 2-3 running options compared to Chamakh who you can just lob a ball into the box and hope he beats the defender. If RVP is the Bergkamp that we were promised then he needs a Ian Wright or a Thierry Henry (to feed off and to)

  58. Richard Ansell

    May 27, 2011, 9:54 #7691

    I certainly would shed a tear if RVP decided to quit Arsenal, and with the clubs lack of ambition that could well happen. I do appreciate though what you are saying about where best to play RVP. I always felt the same about Paul Merson, a great player, that didn't seem to have a 'natural' best position. RVP has been hampered by the system Wenger is playing. He is not a leader of the line, but is still a player, even with his injury record, that we could ill afford to lose.

  59. Howard Davies

    May 27, 2011, 9:54 #7690

    Like a moth to the flame, the fans love Robin for his goals. Anyone with an interest in us being successful though needs to look beyond the headlines, as I detailed within my piece. Thanks to those who have made a considered response. Am I harsh on Robin, absolutely, and that's why I went on to say that football is a harsh game, that many guys with great talent fail to make a great living from the game. Despite RVP being a top bloke, I'm trying to analyse what he brings to the table, how he can fit into an Arsenal team that wins matches, rather than loses them. Jimmy - I'm sorry my article has such little merit in your considered opinion, perhaps you'd like to write a follow-up article that provides all the statistics proving my opinion wrong, the gooner nation can then bask in your wisdom. I think I may be waiting some considerable time.

  60. Mark

    May 27, 2011, 9:52 #7689

    Great Post.When the idiots take their heads out of the sand.Can they tell us one thing.How many times in 7 years at the club has RVP played more than 20 league games in a season?I will tell them ONCE.RVP is a luxury player.Yes he scores lots of goals but also spends lots more time in the treatment room.Ask yourself this would Fergie have put up with an injury prone player like RVP for 7 seasons.And that tells you a lot as to why we will never win the tile as long as we have a striker who misses half a season EVERY season.The league is won over 38 games not 20

  61. adam

    May 27, 2011, 9:49 #7686

    I can't believe you took time out of your day to write this. I'm more dissapointed that i bothered to read it! You are clearly a moron

  62. backpassgoal

    May 27, 2011, 9:40 #7684

    I have nothing much to say. But let me say this, if you can replace RVP with Bendtner or Chamakh in this article, it would make sense.

  63. gooooooner

    May 27, 2011, 9:34 #7683

    your head is not in the right place....to right this blog....but one thing is for sure you will get attention by writing these piece of sh""s...well done man

  64. James L

    May 27, 2011, 9:17 #7680

    was this a dare? or a bet to see how many negative responses you get? RVP spurs quality? are you having a laugh? RVP banged in goals for fun when he was fit. he missed a massive part of the season and was still our leading scorer. If you think he is better off at spurs then you dont belong here. maybe you should become a spud and take the like of eboue, denilson and bendtner with you. you could call yourself 'team tw*t' and im sure you'd have a great time talking absoloute rubbish!

  65. Fozzy's mate

    May 27, 2011, 9:13 #7679

    your post has some merit only in that RVP is a luxury player as due to his glass like make up he has played on average 20 games per season over the 8 he has been with us. Also I do not see him as the lone striker in a 433 or 451 but as a superb player just off the front man. Unfortunately thats where most of our flair players want to play. But be in no doubt RVP is a superb player and has far more pace than the lumbering Chamakh who you appear to have fallen in love with. Chamakh is a typical Arsenal signing of recent years, a free transfer who is not good enough. Ironically it is probably only RVPs appalling injury record that means he is not wanted by the worlds best clubs. To say we should dispense with RVP, who if he ever played a full season would be among the worlds greats is frankly madness!

  66. hughes

    May 27, 2011, 9:10 #7678

    No No No NO!!!! what are you on?

  67. Frode

    May 27, 2011, 9:06 #7677

    Utterly nonsens. The reason why our beloved Arsenal have failed is not the lack of goals but very poor defense. We have let in 43 goals thats the main reason for our "downfall". Thanks to our RVP we have been kept in the race for CL football this autumn.

  68. Greg

    May 27, 2011, 9:05 #7675

    Sometimes gooners are so determined to see the bad in everything and everyone that it really makes you wonder why they bother following Arsenal, or indeed watching football at all. 18 goals and 7 assists. But apparently he hasn't got pace or strength, and he needs too much time on the ball, so he has to go. Like the first goal against Villa last week when he showed the pace and strength to latch onto a fierce pass from Diaby, taking it past the defenders with one touch and scoring with the second. But I'm sure you're right - slow, weak, needs too much time on the ball. Interestingly, who was it Diaby played a 1-2 with in the lightning build-up to that goal? Chamakh, the guy you say RVP can't play off. I give up.

  69. Ash

    May 27, 2011, 9:03 #7674

    Have you gone mad?

  70. Jimmy

    May 27, 2011, 9:01 #7673

    Guys, I know you always say that this site exists to allow fans a platform to share their views with the wider Gooner population, but publishing articles like this do not do your reputation any favours at all. There have been a number of articles this week on here which I would suggest are merely intended to be controversial and get hits. It might work in the short term, but longer term you will suffer because people will start to recognise what you're up to and will stop visiting the site altogether which would be a great shame because you do have some excellent contributors.

  71. Infidel

    May 27, 2011, 9:00 #7672

    There are so many things wrong with 'Walcott playing off of Chamakh' that I don't know where to start. So I won't bother.

  72. jonny3110

    May 27, 2011, 8:45 #7671

    Biggest load of tosh ever! He's scored 18 goals since Jan, a record only equalled by TH14 and C ronaldo in the prem. He has carried us all season with Jack and Sammy (1st half of the season). You're an idiot and I suspect a sp*rs fan! If not then you just know Nothing about football!!!

  73. Arsenal

    May 27, 2011, 8:44 #7670

    You call yourself an arsenal fan, i pity you, pathetic article and content

  74. Lettraggad

    May 27, 2011, 8:42 #7669

    That was very harsh of you I see were you are coming from and there are clearly some truths. Our best games of the season were the mauling of Chelsea and the win over Barca (we did beat united but Ive seen us better). Those games we clicked gelled and looked the way Arsenal should look I am a big fan of RVP and you are wrong. Something is obviously not right with the balance of the team but to single rVP out for our flaws is wrong. For me its purely an attitude problem.. We have to many players relying on RVP and Fabregas to do the job for them. look at Nasri who basically hides away when those two are playing but is downright awesome when they arent playing.

  75. Peter

    May 27, 2011, 8:41 #7668

    This is one of the most stupid things i have ever read.

  76. Guy in Jersey

    May 27, 2011, 8:40 #7667

    I can see where you're coming from, but this is a little harsh on RvP as he does have a decent goalscoring record and there's no doubt he loves the club and shows some of the passion we bemoan is lacking in others who are far less talented than he is. However, like you, I do wonder how he does it sometimes (i.e. manages to score so many goals) when he seemingly lacks the pace, penetration, power and sheer single-minded selfishness of most great strikers. I'd love to keep him at Arsenal, but we also need someone who lives only for scoring goals and, by that, I mean someone who you can rely on to make the runs necessary to get into a goalscoring position, can be almost guaranteed to be in the six yard box when a cross comes in and (as a good indicator of a desire for goals) DOES NOT want to take corners or free kicks from out wide - because he wants to be on the end of them, so he can score. Oh, and if he gives some of his colleagues a good bollocking for not getting the ball into the danger area quickly enough, that would be great as well. Problem is, would Wenger sign such a player? And, if he did, would he try and change them, so they do more for the team? or play them on the wing?

  77. Steve Camfield

    May 27, 2011, 8:38 #7666

    At last, someone has seen what I have seen re RVP. It is a joke that he is played up front on his own Forget 4-3-3, we never play that way, it is always 4-5-1, and RVP just cannot hack it on his own. He is always frightened that he will get whacked, and the reason he gets injured so much is often down to him bottling a tackle, when he just "hangs a leg" instead of putting in a block tackle. We will never win anything with RVP up front on his own.

  78. confused man

    May 27, 2011, 8:36 #7665

    internet traffic a bit slow on this site? Clearly a wind up? RVP was the best striker in the league this season. Would any of the other top sides take him? Yes. Since when is it a strikers fault that a team can't defend for toffee?

  79. Dan h

    May 27, 2011, 8:36 #7664

    RVP behind a fast mobile striker would be sensational.To say he can't pick a pass is frankly ridiculous at Bolton he dropped deep & played at least three defense splitting passes in about 20 mins!To build a championship around him with his injury record won't happen thats why we need a quality CF next to him.Chamakh is a good header of a ball not very effective on the ground so without wingers he is also not the answer in this current system especially in home games.RVP would have plenty of takers from top sides around europe for me if no quality forward is signed then at least for home matches give Walcott a run through the middle with RVP behind.

  80. Denil

    May 27, 2011, 8:34 #7663

    2words to summarise this article.TOTAL CRAP.

  81. Joe Fitzpatrick

    May 27, 2011, 8:34 #7662

    I think you are being a bit harsh on RVP here. I agree that i'd like to see him playing just behind a more direct type of striker in a 4-4-2 but anyone who knows anything about football or has played at any sort of level at all can surely see that he is a world class player. We can't afford to build the whole team around him because of his injury record but what a player to have in our squad! If the Benzema rumours miraculously come true I believe that they would make a great partnership. Hard to see how we could afford to lose both Cesc and RVP when Nasri's future is up in the air too.

  82. Rubbish and more rubbish

    May 27, 2011, 8:32 #7661

    And here I thought a forward scoring goals was a good thing. What a rubbish site. Really can't believe this is a gooner site

  83. emk

    May 27, 2011, 8:30 #7660

    You go and take Chamakh with you to the Spurs, that's where YOU belong!

  84. se7en

    May 27, 2011, 8:28 #7659

    Is this a joke?

  85. PAUL

    May 27, 2011, 8:26 #7658

    u moust be under the influence of drug while writing this. RVP being castigated like that. is a striker employed to hold ball for others or score. If not for RVP goals maybe wilwould not have qualify for even europa. Nasri,Cesc and Ashavin went to sleep leaving only RVP with that responsilbility

  86. young

    May 27, 2011, 8:25 #7657

    Craving for a laugh on a half cooked-satire? Missed by a mile,try something with less thinking time.

  87. Oxy-Moron

    May 27, 2011, 8:23 #7656

    Sorry stopped reading after the first paragraph. 22 goals in 26 games? Yep, crock of **** is our Van Persie. He is single-handedly the reason we are in the Champions League next year. You are a complete tool mate!

  88. asle

    May 27, 2011, 8:23 #7655

    WTF , the game is played by 11 players , this season i reckon we had 4 - 5 players playing all out. And RVP was one of them , Notice how he get angry when we trail and always chase the ball...why , becuase he want to win...Isnt that what we want , but unlucky for him , everybody else doesnt feel like that..Even Fabs , in the back of his mind ,he is thinking of Barca....cant say the same about RVP , a trully Arsenal Player..ps. Chamank , good player but his strenght iwould say isin the air , so arsenal learn to cross decent crosses

  89. gopal

    May 27, 2011, 8:22 #7654

    wat a lousy post.. you need to open ur eyes man.. we werent losing wen rvp ws scoring..we were losing and in sme games we got draws thanks to vital goals frm rvp.. could you identify another credible source of important goals other than rvp since jan or feb.. we would have suffered massively had it not been for rvps contributions.. btw i dint bother reading the whole article.. thanks a lot

  90. Vegard

    May 27, 2011, 8:19 #7653

    I have to question your mental stability.