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It was too much to hope for. Two results we could live with and the faint hope that the club, with new signings on board, might just build up a bit of momentum by working hard to post some points on the board and start climbing the table. Three of the deadline day signings started at Ewood Park, but it wasn’t enough to reverse the malaise. I recently compared the situation at Arsenal as being akin to waiting for a terminally ill patient to meet their maker. You know what’s in store, and a bit of you just wants it to end. A sense of sadness dominates the atmosphere, and more than anything, you are waiting to move on.

Most worrying of all, a bit of me has stopped caring. I can’t get worked up about the team anymore. I can’t invest emotionally because I have seen too many games like this. Brilliant at moments but ultimately letting you down. I really do believe that a lot of the players are not really playing for the manager anymore. They are turning out for their wages, but ultimately marking time. Robin van Persie is probably thinking ahead to next summer already, and his chance of liberty. Can you really see him wanting to stay?

In isolation, it was a freak game. The chances stats indicated that Arsenal did indeed dominate, but somehow conspired to concede four. They should have wrapped up the game in the first half, but even if they’d scored four instead of two before the interval, who is to say we would not have seen another 4-4?

Let me get the text messages out of the way…
Pete Mountford – That clown Wenger has to go
Ian Tanner – They had one goalscorer. We had five. Go to work.
Doktor Schneide – For Christ’s sake, how much longer must we be subjected to this? How can anyone say with any credibility that Wenger is irreplaceable?
TFG – Too good to go down? Really? Bottom placed opponents have 2 shots and score 4. We fell apart when Djourou came on and were only clinical in our own penalty area.
Peter Mountford (post game) – Did I hear Wenger correctly? Did he really say he doesn’t know what he can do?

And while I am at it, some of the shorter emails…
Ian Henry (at 2.13) – How many by full time? I predict 8
Ian Henry (post game) – Unacceptable. But actually entirely predictable.
Elliot Segal - Enough is enough now. Wenger has to go. I don't care what the AKB's say. Let them cut me down. 3 defeats from 5 games and 14 goals conceded says it all. Absolutely, completely and totally unacceptable. Carry on like this and we won't finish in the top 10 never mind top 4.

Arsenal have won 16 points from the last 16 league matches. This from the best squad Wenger has ever worked with. Is there any point in discussing the defending? Four were conceded today with Mertesacker and Andre Santos in the team. The bottom line is that the heart seems to have been ripped out of the club. The players say all the right things about commitment but don’t seem to carry their words through on a consistent basis. Djourou’s attempt to clear the ball in the build up to the fourth goal kind of said it all. These players do not mean business. And we have seen it too often in recent seasons. The magic has gone, and I, for one, simply cannot see it returning under Wenger.

Sure there was bad luck. Two own goals (although do not forget that own goals are often created by pressure) and an offside goal. To say nothing of the blatant penalty denied Walcott at the death. If this were a game in isolation, I could live with it. One of those days. But the problem is that, too often, the team laspe into performing like a bunch of disparate individuals rather than a unit. Despite the number of supposed leaders, it resembles a rudderless ship. Sky Sports’ guest Dwight Yorke highlighted that the shape of the side seemed to go completely during the second half, which suggests a lack of discipline.

It’s going to be a long tortuous season. As far as the league goes, it’s already over. Yes, only five matches have been played, but it’s what the team have demonstrated in those fixtures that suggests nothing is going to change dramatically. Even after beating Swansea and getting out of Dortmund with a point, it was always going to be a slow recovery if the corner could be turned. What Blackburn away shows is that any sort of revival is going to be a lot tougher than some might like to hope. Because the team – with their lack of collective defensive ability – find it very difficult to tough out results.

We are watching the death throes of Arsene Wenger’s time at Arsenal, but it could yet drag on for a long, long while. Perhaps the key time that will decide if he remains will be December. A new manager would then have some funds to spend in January and the board will be cognisant of the difficulty in getting renewals for the expensive middle tier seats in February and March. It is interesting that there is no indication of a date for the annual shareholders’ Q&A event with the manager, despite the policy of stage managing it. Originally, it was held in May, but ‘Judge me in May’ took care of that after the 2009 event, so it was moved to September last year. I suspect it won’t happen again. I also wonder if the manager will attend the club’s AGM in October. There is no compulsion for him to do so. Let’s just hope the team turn up next weekend v Bolton.

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  1. Highbury_Born

    Sep 19, 2011, 15:48 #13045

    "chrisy boy, 8:42am 18th Sep 2011" I believe that the current board will fall down on their knees and beg for David Dein to return.

  2. Merse69

    Sep 19, 2011, 10:08 #13026

    Take Vermaelen out and we're too often left with a complete lack of leadership and class in defence. At least the midfield and attack is still strong (though Wilshere is a huge loss), the club's finances are still relatively sound, and hopefully our form is shambolic rather than irredeemable....

  3. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    Sep 19, 2011, 9:07 #13022

    Your second paragraph sums up my feelings. I came in from laying a patio to watch the game then went back out afterwards in no worse mood than when I came in. What's the point. Everyone that's not wearing blinkers knows this team is ****. Wenger should have gone three years ago. Every season we get worse. Every season we show less and less effort or energy. The own goals aren't unlucky. They are because we have clowns playing for us. Song is useless. He is too thick to be a defensive minded midfielder. He effort in stopping Olson for the forth goal summed him up. I ask all the AKB's this. If Wenger's first season in charge of Arsenal was 2006 would you still be supporting himi now? He simply has too go. He bangs on about youth but the Uited team that hammered us was on average younger. He bangs on about how we can't compete with "petrol dollars" then leaves £50M sitting in the bank. Every manager has a lifespan. He has exceded his. I don't think we'll go down but remeber Clough took Forest down.

  4. Big Dunc

    Sep 19, 2011, 8:43 #13020

    I'm not one for knee-jerk reactions - I like to think I'm capable of a balanced view, seeing the good and bad of the club/situation... but clearly we have some tactical issues - no matter who plays we still can't defend - and this zonal marking is ****e! Big guys mark big guys - end of story. Lets play 2 holding midfielders and start keeping clean sheets. If you don't conceed you can't lose. Simple. More worryingly for me is that AW doesn't look like the man capable of gettingus out of this hole... And can we stop the plugging of books etc on here?! Isn't it a blogging site?

  5. Oxy-Moron

    Sep 19, 2011, 8:17 #13019

    Wenger must have (surely?) 4 games to save himself. Shrewsbury and Olympiacos should be comfortable wins, but this is Arsenal 2011. If we struggle against Bolton (who are very capable of winning that game, let alone drawing) and then things go wonky at the Lane, then this man cannot, surely, continue.

  6. gunnerbriggs

    Sep 18, 2011, 23:31 #13013

    The muppets running this club will only take action when they see their profits draining away. Well even they will soon know that they wont have any champions league money next year and when they see gate receipts also diminishing then finally they will move him on. And apart from the big pay off he will get I hope they give him that bust of his to take with him. Chapman deserves a better class of neighbor.

  7. Gee

    Sep 18, 2011, 21:11 #13007

    should never have given him a 3 yr extension at the end of the 09/10 season. Should have said "wait and see what 10/11 brings". Then let him go for Ancelotti in June. Ancelotti plus Keown will sort these bunchof mugs out and give them some direction that they so badly need. No one knows wht an earth they are meant to do without the ball. There is no unit when the opposition are attacking hence the state of the backline conceding the goals. All they do in training is ping it about in 7 v7 games practice working on posession based football. Problem is they do not know or work on how to react as a unit without it. And they all need to understand this Get that uselees born loser wenger out

  8. bigreddave

    Sep 18, 2011, 20:40 #13004

    Well said Kev another spot on article, Wenger is killing this club and has to be removed now to allow another manager to come in and re-shape the squad and spend some cash in january to buy our way out of trouble, as I fear as things stand relegation is a real possibility.

  9. Seven Kings Gunner

    Sep 18, 2011, 20:19 #13002

    My "Spuds" mates call him "Agent Arsene" - Jekyll has got it spot on "managed decline" If you tried to deliberately destroy our club and really hurt the fans at the same time you would do it this way. It really is a question of money - Wenger like Capello cannot be sacked because, like the FA, we can't afford to take that action due to a 4 year contract so we wait for the improvement in the team or the "tipping point" when enough is enough. I fear it will be the latter.

  10. Gooner SA

    Sep 18, 2011, 19:37 #13000

    Does the board take the decision to bring in a defensive coach? No. Did the board say it would rather finish 2nd for the next ten year than win the FA Cup? No. Wenger did and unless he changes his mind on these two things then he should pick up his P45 like Bruce Rioch did!

  11. Ronster

    Sep 18, 2011, 19:36 #12999

    Theo's Broken Toe Nail.....go back to the article, 'Transition Arsenal' and you'll detect Mandy Dodd may be starting to turn! Any way Mandy,if you're out there some verses from the song Barry Manilow penned just for you:''Yesterday's a dream I face the morning.Crying on the breeze,the pain is calling,oh Mandy.'' :-)

  12. Paul

    Sep 18, 2011, 19:31 #12998

    Three wins from sixteen league games is our worst in history. Wenger has tumbled good players are not playing for him anymore. He is damaged goods and its going to get a lot worse if no one acts.

  13. johnneyhawleylovinggooner

    Sep 18, 2011, 19:25 #12996

    we need to know if there is no money and arsene is taking the flack or has he lost the dressing room. it looked like the latter yesterday. is there no playerpower at arsenal?

  14. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 18, 2011, 19:17 #12994

    I made a comment on here after the man u debacle that two players should never pull on an arsenal shirt again one had the decency to piss off the next day the other djourou didn't i am going to say it again djourou should never wear an arsenal shirt again.He reminds me of a chant i havent heard for a while if djourou can play for arsenal so can i if djourou can play for arsenal so can i if djourou can play for arsenal djourou can play for arsenal if djourou can play for arsenal so can i.

  15. Carlos

    Sep 18, 2011, 19:13 #12992

    Vermaelen (£11m) always injured - could well have missed 2 out of his 3 seasons at the club come May. Koscielney (£10m) not good enough - too small, slow and lacking in ability to organise. Squilacci (£3.5m) - hopeless, but can't be shifted because he earns too much. Santos (£6.2m) as you say "off the pace" - why wasn't he signed earlier so he could get some level of fitness? Jury's out. Mertesaker (£8m) Proven track record as an international, comes from a very different league, one which is of a lesser standard if we consider CL performance over the last 10 years or so. The best part of £40m has been spent on defenders in the last few years but our performances suggest either the scouts are not doing their job or that our technical staff, headed by the manager are unable to get the best from them. No one seem to be saying that they need to change the way they work or seems to be being called to account in any way at all.

  16. RJ

    Sep 18, 2011, 16:50 #12979

    Oh dear - Man U now thumping Chelsea (3-0 as I write this). please Fergie - ease off the gas and let it end 3-2. If you put a hatful past Chelseas as well, Wenger will use that as an excuse that all is OK.

  17. Jekyll

    Sep 18, 2011, 16:19 #12975

    The sad thing is it isn't an unlucky or accidental decline we've witnessed, it's a managed decline. Arsene Wenger has managed us into decline through his arrogance and delusion. The state this team is now in has been coming for a long time and now it's arrived. The once great Wenger has turned us into record breaking losers. It doesn't matter what players you put in that team, the style of play is so flawed and ill fitting for the EPL, and the man responsible is incapable of change.

  18. afcIan

    Sep 18, 2011, 16:15 #12973

    One thing Kevin was always positive about was that we could usually beat the teams below us but yesterday proved that anyone is capable of beating us now. They were bottom with some fans demonstrating and wanting Kean sacked then they beat us. What does that say about us? Simply that our manager must go now but who would want to manage us now?

  19. GoonerRon

    Sep 18, 2011, 15:29 #12968

    We are clearly in a bad place at the moment and the manager has to ultimately take the blame as he buys the players, picks the team, makes the subs etc. That said, I am struggling to get my head round the decisions that continue to go against us. We drew against Newcastle and should have had a penalty, at 0-0 against Liverpool we conceded an offside goal that changed the game and yesterday conceded another offside goal and should have had a penalty. Now this doesn't detract from how poor we have been in our general defending but in another season we could have a respectable 10 points from 5 games. It's clear we are extremely low on confidence and the last thing we need are key decisions consistently going against us. I would, however, advocate the recruitment of a defensive coach to freshen things up and perhaps adopt a new approach. We showed in the second half at Dortmund that we can defend well so it's not a dead end for us.

  20. Nutty's Right Peg

    Sep 18, 2011, 15:13 #12961

    When's Wenger's birthday ?? May I suggest we all club together & get him a defensive coach, I cannot remember a time when one has been needed so much. To those who still go regularly,(started loaning my season tkt out three seasons ago)the best form of protest is simple, don't spend another penny at the stadium, businesses only listen to their "customers" when the tills stop ringing.

  21. nugs

    Sep 18, 2011, 15:12 #12960

    Funny how a lot of abused certain players for leaving myself included, whats clear is they all saw the limitations in wengers management long before a lot of us did and moved to better their chances of success and who can blame them.

  22. Viking

    Sep 18, 2011, 15:07 #12959

    We brought in 2 defenders to address our defensive problems, and both have combined to compound them further! And for a combined fee of £15m too. Panic buys that have made no difference whatsoever. And Please don't give me the excuse that they need time to bed in, cos if that was the case, why were they not purchased earlier?! Our team were weak last season, but even weaker now. Most of the comments here are consistent in their summary, we all know what needs to be done, but we've been crying out for this for several years now, and still nothing. The strategy is all wrong, when the going gets tough, who lifts the team, at other clubs they have many individual who will roll their sleeves up, who do we have? Not enough. RVP is not a captain, neither was Cesc, or Almunia ( how he was ever named Captain of our great club, I'll never know ) but this just shows how wrong the thinking is within the club. Why have we given a left back the number 11? What is the rationale for these strange decisions? Santos cannot defend, and we need defenders, solid ones too. Pers is a joke, he is not cut out for the Premiership, he looks like Crouch, and we all know how good he is. If Pers was the answer, why did we not buy him earlier? And if RVP gets injured we have the thought of Chamakh replacing him, this is the guy who last scored in the Prem before yesterday last November. Scary, but don't worry Arsene knows.........!

  23. sam

    Sep 18, 2011, 14:24 #12954

    We have not seen anything yet-Wenger's arrogance and blind supporting by our supporters has led us to this SHAMEFUL scenario. What annoys me most is Wenger's after match comments-he see all these as a joke. For me i lost respect for Wenger and Arsenal after the 8-2 humiliating defeat and simply cant get it off my head as the nail in the teams coffin. Will NEVER forgive Wenger for that even if we had won the champion's league during his time. We have given too much respect to Wenger and he simply has not moved with time and not listened to anyone. Worst as well is that the management board members are inept from top to bottom-They will be mistaken to think supporters will bank roll the team at all cost.

  24. david moon

    Sep 18, 2011, 14:01 #12953

    the emperors new clothes springs too mind!!!!

  25. arealfan

    Sep 18, 2011, 13:35 #12952

    come on u lot! get behind the boys. the ref cheated us out of a win. one offside missed and one penalty missed. we would have won 4-3 and you lot would have all been crowing about wot a great substitution bringing on marianne chamuck was. just a bunch of moaners not real gooners. AKB !

  26. Gooner70

    Sep 18, 2011, 13:27 #12951

    I see a lack of AKBs on today's replies. - I guess hardly surprising, surely now even many of them must be questioning their judgment. - I have been following Arsenal since 1970, all my fellow Gooners, who have been following 'The Arsenal' for some 40 years feel the same. - I sense that most of the AKBs are from the new breed of supporter, mostly recent supporters who have attached themselves to Arsenal because of their success in the late 90s/early Noughties. They associate themselves with Wenger, because that it is all they have known, they see themselves as Arsenal fans synonymous with supporting Wenger, he is their God. However most of us who have been following Arsenal through thick and thin over the decades, have a clearer perspective. To the AKBs, your loyalty to the manager, though admirable on one level is also misplaced. Unfortunately it gives the (clueless) club owners the incorrect belief that removing and replacing Wenger would be a betrayal of the club and its fans. - The longer you back the manager, the more damage is suffered by this club I don't know who will replace him (I would guess Bould would be the caretaker), but right now the club is hemorrhaging in every aspect - organization, defense, confidence, hope, aspiration. - If nothing changes soon the damage could become much greater. - Champions League, or any European football next season is a pipe-dream. Holding on to our remaining top talent (or even holding onto future talent, e.g Wilshere, Schlezny, Ramsey, etc) will become difficult. Attracting the sort of talent we need, is already tough, will become that much tougher. I hate turning on the manager. He is our greatest post-war manager, he has done great things for this club. Unfortunately he lost his magic touch some time ago, and without we are sinking ship. - This is about now and our future, not our past. - The longer we hang on the longer it will take to turn things around, and the worse it will get.

  27. crazygooner

    Sep 18, 2011, 13:26 #12950

    Who's gonner tell him? "you tell him" no "you tell him"no no "you tell him".ok I'll tell him, Thanx for everthing Arsene but your sacked.Now please **** off so we can rebuild our once great club and replace EMBARRASSMENT with PRIDE!!! ARSENAL TILL I DIE

  28. Stuart

    Sep 18, 2011, 13:20 #12949

    New players in, money spent on suppossed decent quality players and yet more of the same, if not worse out on the pitch. It all points to a manger with no idea, no control and no straregy for improvement. Make no mistake, Blackburn are **** and they scored 4 against us. They will not hit more than 3 in a game again this season. Us, however, are more than likely to concede four or more again. Wenger needs an unltimatum- improve results or be gone.

  29. Decline

    Sep 18, 2011, 13:15 #12948

    AFC is in serious decline. many of us flagged it in feb given the nature of the defeat against birmingham and other really gutless performances. the whole culture of the place is rotten now and we will be taken out and given a real runaround by the likes of stoke, bolton, everton, wigan, sunderland because we have a bunch of gutless spineless players who do not have a coach that raises their temperature and makes them want to fight. if we are lucky we will make mid table but that will be tough as all the other clubs bar none on a nett basis improved their squad except arsenal. AFC is now a disaster area and the fans have to start showing their displeasure alot more otherwise this will go on and on. wenger and gadazis are walking zombies who need to be put out of their misery

  30. Gare Kekeke

    Sep 18, 2011, 13:03 #12947

    Spot on as usual Kevin. Like you, I too have gone past caring. Wenger's vanity project was always destined to fail because of initially a lack of experience throughout the squad and then a lack of players of certain quality ie. a commanding centre back and a commanding goalkeeper. Wenger has got exactly what he deserves right now. Under investment in the first team in the last five years combined with an unflinching faith in many youngsters (some of whom have let him down when push came to shove) and a constant neglect of experienced players has resulted in where we are today. Wenger's contribution to Arsenal FC since 1996 has been outstanding but arrogance, ego and no-one to challange within the club is another factor. To the AKB's, I support Arsenal FC, not Arsene FC. And don't even begin to think FFP will save us (granted in theory it sounds good) because as we have discovered with Man City, clubs will find loopholes around the rules and exploit it. Oh and if want me to name someone to succeed OGL at the moment, then I say George Graham purely to sort out the defence, If not GG, then how about Louis Van Gaal as a short-term option. It's well know that Pep Guardiola wants to manage in England and he will leave Barcelona next summer. The way the club is set up thanks to Wenger, we are taylor-made for him. Forget him going to Man Utd. Fergie won't be going anywhere for a few years yet despite being in his 70th year. And forget Chelsea too. The working conditions of that club means he won't go there either.

  31. Chris

    Sep 18, 2011, 12:39 #12946

    I actually think this season is going to be fun - Arsenal scrapping for results, each victory a pleasure and surprise etc. I can't believe the lilly-livered rubbish so many are coming out with. Is Arsenal not about rolling up your sleeves and getting on with it when times are bad? How can you expect the team to show the right spirit when fans say 'oh I don't care anymore!' like spoilt four year olds? Pathetic Kevin - get a life.

  32. Gary Wright

    Sep 18, 2011, 12:33 #12945

    Having read the comments - I'm truly gutted. The realisation of what has happened is soul destroying and the worst part of it all is that it is making me not care. My wife is a massive gooner too and we have argued long and hard today - she believes it will get better, I just can't see it. It's gut wrenching to see Wenger reduced to what he has become, a truly great manager reduced to a laughing stock. I think he has truly lost the plot. The definition of madness is making the same error again and again - well - look at our defence? Something has to give, and that give has to be Wenger. Otherwise, I can see no more than a 10th place finish at best, below Spurs. Do our board really care what this is doing to us fans? - absolutely not - it's all about the money. They have not got the gumption to dismiss Wenger, so we are left with the sight of a once great manager disintergrating before our very eyes. The answer is simple - bring in a pragmatic team of O'Neil & Keown and promote Boldy to first team coach. Will they do this - nope, so enjoy the rest of the season guys, as frankly I don't care anymore.

  33. Kipmonster

    Sep 18, 2011, 12:22 #12944

    Wenger should be sacked & Ancelotti brought in. Ancelotti would organise the team to not ship the number of goals & the stupid goals we alarmingly concede consistently. Wenger has lost the plot, a game we should have been 3 or 4 up at half time is again catastrophically chucked away.

  34. HIghbury Boy

    Sep 18, 2011, 12:18 #12943

    I remember Arsenal fight relegation battles in the !950's and the form and results since the CC final has been like that. Make no mistake we are in a relegation battle now with our 2 best players gone and 2 other good players out injured for who knows how long. Then it was only Jack Kelsey who saved us. This time it might just be Szczeny if he stays fit. We can't trust the back-up keepers. Solution: Unfortunately Wenger is too set in his ways to change so the Board must change him.

  35. Bob

    Sep 18, 2011, 12:16 #12942

    The last refuge of the dwindling AKBs is to parrot the mantra 'perspective' - well here is some for you. This once-great Club, charging its supporters the highest prices in Europe if not the world to watch them, have slowly but surely deteriorated to the extent the consensus among both our own supporters and the football world in general is that fourth place would represent a real achievement. We have been dragged down to such a collective state of depression that too many people seem to care about that. I do, and I hope that the illusion of the too little, too late transfer activity will not buy this failed regime any extra time.

  36. stevus

    Sep 18, 2011, 12:10 #12941

    In the summer of 1986 we signed Perry Groves for £65k and began the process of clearing out the stars who had failed us for several years. In a heartbeat we became a team that could string together 10 game unbeaten runs, with a smaller and hungrier squad. We even saw the departure of probably our best player - Stewart Robson. Today's Woodcock is Van Persie. Today's Rix is Arshavin. Djourou is Chris Whyte. Mertesacker is Tommy (RIP) Caton. Need I go on? Where we had Rocastle, Merson, Adams we now have only Szczesny as a "youth" product of similar standing. George Graham (bronze bust Arsenal - NOW) turned Michael Thomas into a tiger and created the best back four the world has ever seen for a combined sum of £1.2m, to make us champions. I don't wish to denigrate Wenger's achievements, but his end game looks like being to have made us a commercial goldmine "franchise" for a steady eddie American sportsclub accumulator. We need a new management team on the bench and training ground before next Saturday's Bolton game. Bould with Dixon is my preference.

  37. Theo's Broken Toe-Nail

    Sep 18, 2011, 12:09 #12940

    Surprised that Mandy Dodd, PPP and the other lot of '**** of down to spurs' Wenger lovers haven't been on here yet defending their man yet. Or maybe I'm not! Even if/when they do find the courage, I bet they'll blame the players, Board, fans, indeed anyone rather than the man ultimately responsible! You lot might be happy to see our once great club continue being made a laughing stock by the vanity of one man, the but there are thousands of gooners that aren't. Something needs to be done - and soon.

  38. bunch

    Sep 18, 2011, 12:04 #12939

    So far no (serious) AKB comments. Tells a story. Tipping point yesterday for many of our support. Will Kroenke and P.Diddy get the message?

  39. Mary Maude

    Sep 18, 2011, 12:03 #12938

    This about sums it up. There is no consolation that the hopelessness and despair I feel today is shared by thousands of other Arsenal supporters. It was so clear at the end of last season that a major rethink was needed and what we ended up with was a last-minute botch job and no clue how to create a team from the disparate signings.

  40. tom

    Sep 18, 2011, 12:02 #12937

    Wenger out. Despite thefact that we have Tony Adams, Steve Bould and Martin Keown who would all love to be a part of the club and show the team how to defend, he doesnt want to know. Also, why is on eof our greatest players in Vieira now working at Man City? Wenger is a mug, he may have done well before but he has done nothing for 6 years. Sack him now

  41. Rich

    Sep 18, 2011, 11:55 #12936

    Have been saying for some time now that his time is up. We have been going backwards for last two seasons and only got top 4 because others screwed up more than us. What really puzzles me is that ok we have not signed any world class defenders, but they must have some defensive know how from previous clubs and once they arrive at Arsenal it all seems to go out the window. We have just signed a German with 70+ caps and he looks like he has no idea, how can that be?. It can only mean we do absolutely NO defensive work in training, which is ridiculous and is surely the most damning thing of all. In my opinion Wenger has been left behind in the World of football and our even more pathetic board have no idea how to put it right after listening to Wenger for too long now. All in all we are screwed as i can't see him resigning or being sacked, and to be honest if they sacked him would anyone trust them to find a replacement??.

  42. Stick or twist?

    Sep 18, 2011, 11:48 #12935

    Peter Wain: Bit of irony there, you say we'll be "lucky" to finish fourth from bottom & yet you say we "only" have one world class player. Name me one club that have been relegated with a world class player in their peak.

  43. WestUpperRed

    Sep 18, 2011, 11:42 #12934

    With exception of a few new arrivals there isnt any team in the prem now that is succeptible to being blown away by Wengers own brand of 'total football'. We wont get the team bus treatment this season people will want blood and if a rudderless team like Blackburn, who would normally be prime culprits of putting 10 behind the ball from kick off, can get 3 points in that manner we are totally f*cked!

  44. Akinboye Omole

    Sep 18, 2011, 11:39 #12933

    Great comments coming out from the fans. To me the solution is very simple, bring back David Dein.

  45. GoonerGoal!

    Sep 18, 2011, 11:33 #12932

    Forget Champions League, forget Europa Cup, right now a top half finish is the most we can hope for. Wenger is finished, the evidence is laid out for all to see, except of course for deluded AKB members. Let him see out this season with honour, we can accept a mid-table finish for one season, but who should replace him? Well, we know that Pep Guardiola extended his current Barcelona contract by only one year, until the end of the 2012 season, and he is on record as saying that he wants to join a club playing in the EPL. According to TalkSport sources (15/09/11), this is definitely Guardiolas final season before moving on to a Premier League club. I have little faith in Kroenke, Gazididis, or the rest of the 7 Dwarves aka “The Board”, but why shouldn’t it be us? Please, please, please let it be...

  46. Big Dave

    Sep 18, 2011, 11:26 #12931

    I think its time ofr Arsene to go but can we really trust the board to go out and get the right man I think not. But it really is time for all fans groups to get together and start to protest because nothihg will change, do you really think the Arsenal board read the Gooner magazine and website

  47. jjetplane

    Sep 18, 2011, 11:22 #12930

    Arsene was lucky to have an Adams et al to run the club when he started with us. As power shifted into his lap we can see - he really isnt a football man. His passion is more suited to some other profession. Tough but true.

  48. allybear

    Sep 18, 2011, 11:18 #12929

    Richard Ansell is right on the money. Why should we have any faith in AW when he has had more than enough chances. Its blatantly obvious that he doesnt have a clue. Im a fan for 40yrs and it hurts to see the decline of the club and i will say again that we have conceded more goals under this manager than any other past manager. I think that Martin O Neill would be a great choice.

  49. Disilluaioned Tom

    Sep 18, 2011, 11:17 #12928

    What is it going to take for some people to realise ( especially the board) that Wenger is no longer the manager Arsenal need or can afford to maintain. We are going ackwards due to his tigthtfistedness in the transfer market, his inability to motivate the players and unwillingness to change and adapt to the situation when things arent going well. There's no Plan B people A change at the top is needed.

  50. RJ

    Sep 18, 2011, 11:06 #12927

    I have been an advocate of give it time, Wengers will sort it. I guess that makes me an AKB. But not after the last six games, or actually the last 20 games. Incredible that when we have conceded so many goals, szczezny is still our best player n the park. I tell you this squad is good enough to be top 4, but like Mancini did at city we need to build from the back. The back four are probably good enough if they are organised. Wenger Is not the man to do it i am afraid Although santos looks more out of condition than me and no positional responsibility. How shocking was the zonal defending? Childish. Have been a gooner for 34 years, season ticket holder for three years having dreamt of having tha chance to watch them play regularly all my adult life. Last night I was seriously thinking about jacking in the ticket at the end of this season. But then I remembered that I love this club through all weathers and no matter how bad the performance. What hacks me off now is that we have the squad of players, but no belief, commitment or organisation. That is down to leases ip and Wengers must go. As someone else on here has said almost anyone would be better but what about ancellotti, hiddinck, moyes, o neill. I really now like the thought of o'neill how terrible is that. We have the squad and money that should attract him. Build from the backbut by January it will be too late. W need to be top 4 every year or it is game over for our great club as the plastics (and I nearly became a plastic last night)will walk and we will play to half empty emirates. Board h to act now, but they are spineless. An immensely depressing season ahead I am afraid

  51. Stevesam

    Sep 18, 2011, 10:53 #12926

    There is something wrong with the way we now react as a team.Arshavin concedes a free kick on the edge of the box, which was not a free kick, a fair tackle. Thier player sees Chesney off the line and takes a quick one which goes wide. The referee makes them re-take, why ? Where is the protest from our players ? Arshavin stands there with his hands on his hips shaking his head. The old Arsenal of Adams, Keown, Vieira, Berkamp would have been all over the ref and linesman. We have no leaders, that is the cause of all our problems, on or off the pitch.

  52. PAUL HEATON

    Sep 18, 2011, 10:22 #12925

    The constant reply to those of us who want Wenger out seems to be "Who do you replace him with ?". Well, I'm afraid the answer now has to be that, within reason, it doesn't really matter. It's no longer the case that we're 10% away from being a top side needing a little extra push to achieve success. We're now an upper mid table side at best. Until recently, although I wanted a new manager to come in, show some ambition and push us on, I was prepared to give Wenger credit for getting us in the top 4 every year. There was even a part of me that wondered if things would be worse with a new manager but not any more. The constant defensive nightmares show no sign of going away and if anything they are getting worse. There is no organisation, no structure and beyond 'playing our own game', no tactics. Yes, a lot of the players are substandard, but man for man our defenders are better players than many of those playing for sides with far superior defensive records to us. There's only one reason for that and that's a complete lack of organisation. Martin Keown could teach our players more about defending in a hour than Wenger could in a season. Bring him in alongside a new manager that doesn't think defending is a dirty word but let's be realistic about how far we've fallen. Virtually nobody could come in and turn us into a top side overnight, we're miles away. Let's not expect Mourinho, Ferguson or Guardiola to ride over the hill on a white charger. Hiddink or Ancelotti would be great, O'Neill, Moyes or Martinez are more realistic targets but let's accept that Wenger's stubborn project has ripped the heart out of the club and move 'forward'. We're not getting in the top 4 this year with Wenger in charge. We might not without him but the time for change has come and to any who still think Wenger should stay I'd just ask this. If not now, then when ?

  53. Peter Wain

    Sep 18, 2011, 10:15 #12924

    How can anyone now seriously believe we are in a race for fourth place. We will be very lucky to finish fourth from bottom. The new signings are just not good enough for Arsenal. We use to have world claas players and now we have only one and he will leave next season. It is time that the directors did something about this mess they help to create. Firstly they should insist that the players we buy in January are bought immediately the window opens and the ones Arsene wants he gets. The price is irrelevant because the cost of not investing is clear to see. If thy do not change the way the club is run we will be in the championship next year make no mistake about this. Usmanov should be elected onto the board and if he wants to give us £100 million for transfers it should be accepted. The Yank can go as far as I am concerned. He does not come to games and does not speak to the fans. A complete waste of time and space. The directors should also be preparing for a change in manager at the end of the year. I do not think that changing the manager now to get some one in is the answer. Determine who we want and get him in May so that he can spend money in June not August. I fear that relegation is a real threat this year.

  54. Dan h

    Sep 18, 2011, 10:06 #12923

    The most damning statistic is 16 pts from the last 16 games relegation form.You reap what you sow the inability to strengthen the squad in the last couple of years has come home to roost.The defence is a shambles if anyone can come up with a sensible case for zonal marking i would love to hear it.For 20mins in the second half players quite simply hid & it's happened far to often.AW looks totally broken on the sidelines his body language tells you all you need to know.They won't sack him reason being a 3 year £7m p.a contract a money driven board will not pay him off they will hope he walks.Expected nothing different after the summer we had it's not going to get better soon we can't even blame injuries no more excuses the board & the manager should go all to blame disgusted with the lot of them.

  55. Viking

    Sep 18, 2011, 9:56 #12922

    I wish I could say I was shocked, but I'm not. At 1 nil up or 2 at 1 up, I'm still worried that we will throw away the game. In fact, I'm even concerned we'll collapse with a 2 goal lead, that's how soft we have become. To concede 8 goals to Utd was downright irresponsible, but to let in 4 against a team with only 1 goal scored so far is totally unaccaptable. Surely the team after the Utd defeat would be going out with some conviction, a we'll show you approach and this should stem from the manager. But we continue with the same approach and same deficiencies. What is the manager doing, how could he send on Djourou on at right back, in fact what is he doing on the bench?! The guy is a joke, clearly demonstrated by his half hearted tackle that led to the fourth goal and his superb crossing, why was Gibbs not sent on?! So many players are just coasting it, no one is taking charge and making things happen. I'm looking for a Gerrard, Rooney, Adams, Keown, Viera, Parlour, Keane, Wilshere ( is our only player now that will get stuck in and not take any **** )Instead we purchase perseved mature players with no substance, is Benayoun really going to change the spirit within the changing room, really?! No! He was invisible against Dortmund and he's not the character we need in the dressing room now. Should have signed Parker, Baines, Cahill, that would have lifted the whole team. Given us belief. Santos was awful, and Pers is just a slow cumbersome defender, in each of his games so far he has been off the pace and provides no authority or confidence. It's a joke. There wingers gave us so many problems and we had Shava putting in his usual lazy ineffective inept performance. Can Gervinho not pass the ball and look up? Although he is not to blame. We buy a left back who cannot defend, good decision, that will stop us leaking goals!! Inspired strategy. Can you honestly see one of our rivals conceding goals in that fashion, in fact could you see them doing it so quickly in such a short space of time? It just wouldn't happen and the big question is why is this not being addressed, why are these players allowed to continuously wear the shirt. Why have they not been moved on? What has Wenger built? When are we going to see the results of this self fulfilling project?! Things have to change and quickly, we will struggle against most teams as they are not scared of us anymore, they think they can beat us, who do they have to be worried about, only RVP, Shava cannot even beat lower division full backs. Quality he is.

  56. Jenari Exar Kun

    Sep 18, 2011, 9:43 #12921

    The sooner we bring in a new manager the better - the new guy needs as much time as possible to be able to assess the team before the next transfer window.

  57. Aaron

    Sep 18, 2011, 9:42 #12920

    Wenger has completely lost the plot. Threw away a 4 goal lead at Newcastle, 2 to lose at home against Tottenham, 8 goals at United, 4 to a hapless Blackburn. Any of the 91 other managers in the football league could do a better job and would expect to get sacked in light of the above. Kevin Keegan would not have a team as disorganised with half the talent.

  58. RED FRED

    Sep 18, 2011, 9:37 #12919

    Djourou was totally lost when he came on today,he is totally void of any confidence like most of the defense, i really dont know where we can go from here, it reminds me of George Grahams last months at the club when you knew the magic had gone. I still dont see a leader out there and wonder if the boss knows how to get us out of this continuing tragedy. On the plus side i thought Gerviniho and Arteta looked good but think we may have to forget zonal marking,bring on the valium for the Bolton game....

  59. andersmark

    Sep 18, 2011, 9:33 #12918

    yes it was horrible, can any more bad luck hit us, more than likely, did you really put in the article, you dont care what the team do, and they moan the players dont give a toss, gooner always, time to dig in, me off to the bookies tomorrow top four what price can i have now, £20 for me, some want to give up well not me !!!!

  60. jamie hunter

    Sep 18, 2011, 9:26 #12917

    Kevin you are so dreary and negative. Any true Arsenal fan would be happy for wenger to continue dining out on something achieved so long ago there is not even a single member of the squad still there. I say let the self harming continue, no way is there another man on the planet capable of managing arsenal.

  61. BNG

    Sep 18, 2011, 9:24 #12916

    once again Kevin you are spot on the money........but expect OGL's tub thumping flat earth followers too be in total denial and I like you find it difficult that a part of me has given up caring.........you know you are in trouble when the thought pops into your head that it's better in the long run getting stuffed by the bottom club because it surely must hasten the end of inspector clueless and a mini-bus full of his spoilt adolescent show ponies....keep saying it as it is Kev and perhaps we will get the new broom that the club desperately needs

  62. Richard Ansell

    Sep 18, 2011, 9:22 #12915

    If Wenger turned up for the game wearing oversized shoes, a ginger wig and a big red nose he could not be a bigger clown than he is now. Like you, Kevin, I have almost stopped caring anymore - why should we emotionally invest in the club when the Board and Wenger refuse to properly financially invest? It is not just about the lack of investment though is it. Wenger is defensively clueless and his purchasing and continual backing of second rate players is beyond belief. Don't forget we still have Flappy and the Spanish Waiter on the books to throw in to the fray should anything happen to Chesney. It never ceases to amaze me that the Gooner site attracts comments about how negative we all are. What else are we likely to be, witnessing the shambolic defending and pathetic performances we have to put up with week in and week out. To all the Wenger apologists out there for Christ's sake wake up and stop pretending this once great manager deserves your support. He has to go and don't say who will replace him because it has gone beyond that now. If you want to know, Martin O'Neil would be my choice.

  63. Steve the Gooner

    Sep 18, 2011, 9:19 #12914

    The Arsene Wenger 'show' has run its course.After 15 series the writer has run out of ideas so the show must come to an end.

  64. tippytappynevershooty

    Sep 18, 2011, 9:18 #12913

    Can there be any Arsenal fans who still think Wenger knows what he is doing? Chart the slide from when the remnants of the Graham era (team spirit - remember that?)gradually went, chart the slide from when Dein left, chart the slide from when Gary Lewin left and there is only one conclusion - Wenger has not got a clue! The whole club is exactly in the image of its maker and autocrat AW, and it stinks - what you have now is the true expression of what Wenger has inside him. We've all said it time and time again: no tactical shape, no heart, no defence, and this ridiculous 4-6-0 formation that actually means we negate our one area of strength which is attacking. You look at Ramsey, VP, Song, Arshavin and you see the faces of people who don't believe in this club anymore. the only reason I can see that this has accelerated in the last 6 months is down to Fabregas finally losing heart with Arsenal because be under no illusion that he has carried this club since Dein left. I don't know what more needs to happen for the powers at the club to wake up and make a change.

  65. TAZ

    Sep 18, 2011, 9:11 #12912

    It is time to lay a wreath on Arsengal's grave. farewell Arsenal

  66. Simon F

    Sep 18, 2011, 9:10 #12911

    Just simply gutted... After winning last week and actually showing some fighting spirit in Dortmund i really believed things were looking up and we had something to build on. Then Blackburn away has sent me crashing back down to despair!!!!

  67. Teddy Bass

    Sep 18, 2011, 9:03 #12910

    Its all very sad isn't it.Who would replace Wenger?I don't know but I would like to see Tony Adams givena chance.Could he be any worse ?

  68. R meade

    Sep 18, 2011, 9:01 #12909

    Most managers would have been sacked by now but how long will this go on for? It will become impossible for him to stay if this keeps going on like it is. We all now know we will be closer to the relegation teams than the champions in terms of points come the end of the season just how close is the worry. By the way how did our new German CB play 70 odd games for his country i know it's only three games but no excuse for his positional play which has been awful and we all knew he was slow but really can a top player be that slow???

  69. LouGooner

    Sep 18, 2011, 8:58 #12908

    Some of the players are palpably not good enough for the premiership never mind a team that wants to challenge for trophies. Djorou should never wear a red shirt again.....as an international defender he should at least be a ble to make a simple tackle (4th goal), Koscielny should be able to head the ball (2nd goal) out from a corner, Santos as an international full backshould be able to see his defensive line (1st/2nd goal), Mertesacker as an international centre half should be able to head the ball goalwards when there is no one there! 3 out of 4 have been bought to rectify the issues with our defence, all 4 are not good enough to play for ManU reserves! Arteta was magnificent yesterday and Gervinho was good without being outstanding (decision making has to speed up). the problem is we keep spending money on second rate defenders (apart from TV (but he is never fit!). the lacklustre, complacent, arrogant. cheapskate, archaic attitude of the controlling influences on the board are sending this club into oblivion! the world of football is a very different place from the public shoolboy facade that they hide behind. the new world is dominated by selfish mega-rich dictators and if we cant see that we will collapse!. the ultimate irony is that we have one of these oligarchs waiting to and being prevented from taking control and throwing the resources at the issues! true supporters do not deserve to be treated like idiots and palmed off with these senseless platitudes! AFC board members open your eyes close your cheque books and swallow your ignorant pride! let the concerned parties who wish to move forward do so. i am a season ticket holder of over 30 years standing and yesterday was the first time i felt embarassed by the performance, the lack of fight, THE LACK OF TECHNICAL ABILITY in certain players. INTHIS DAY AND AGE YOU MUST SPEND BIG MONEY TO COMPETE AT EPL LEVEL NEVER MIND CHAMPIONS LEAGUE!!!!!!there is no room for sentiment and moral standpoints.....look at CF4 at Barca (much as it hurts to have even watched 5 minutes of that game!)......everything he denied saying is true. PLEASE SAVE MY CLUB FROM IGNOMINY AND MEDIOCRITY (OR WORSE!)!

  70. Clive the Gooner

    Sep 18, 2011, 8:50 #12907

    Once again a total lack of leadership both on and off the pitch. Wenger must get someone in to coach the defence because the situation is farcical now. How can we go on giving away chance after chance? Agree with your comments again Kevin I too have become disheartened with it all.

  71. Aj

    Sep 18, 2011, 8:49 #12906

    The worst Arsenal team I've seen in 40 years.The issue at the moment is can they stay in this division.Every other team will fancy playing against this defence.If the board continue to sleepwalk with this manager we are heading for the abyss.

  72. JCL

    Sep 18, 2011, 8:46 #12904

    Kevin, I found your post surprisingly moderate. Wenger has to go now, or we could be relegated.

  73. chrisy boy,

    Sep 18, 2011, 8:42 #12903

    what the club seemed to have done in the recent transfer window, was to fix our many problems as cheaply as possible, but we can already see that the new signings ( arteta apart ) are just not good enough. And dont give me that crap about give them time to adapt etc to a new club. So its going to cost the club more money in january to fix the problem properly. But did you hear the statement our great owner ( kronke ) made last week " throwing money at the problems is not the answer " well mr kronke i will be there at the shareholders meeting and in case you didnt know stan the date is on the 27th october, i just wonder if you are going to read out my question i am going to send in, i very much doubt it but let me tell you that you are not in for an easy morning ( if you turn up). We are a club in decline and even if we change the manager we will still be left with the same owners, directors, coaches, medicle staff, and certain players, i realy dont know what the answer is anymore. I want my Arsenal back !

  74. kc

    Sep 18, 2011, 8:34 #12902

    shambolic and shapeless. we no longer have any recognisable shape in the way we play, as players just go about doing their own thing. great if you have eleven virtuosos who can play total football but not this lot. we look like a broken team.

  75. Westie

    Sep 18, 2011, 8:32 #12901

    The problem is that the fundamental issues of defensive focus and discipline, co-ordination and leadership are clearly not being resolved in training. Too many players that aren't focused properly in defensive situations has ultimately been the cause of our terrible run. I'm just waiting in every match for key players to make mistakes, Kolcesny Song, Djourou are the biggest culprits. We can go on about signings and quality, but as a club we don't coach or structure around what we have got. Many managers have created tight, well organised defences with mediocre players. There is only one person who is responsible for this - Wenger. All the AKB crowd will kick off again after reading your article, but the one thing that none of those clowns understand is - Arsenal FC not Arsene FC.

  76. Gooner Graeme

    Sep 18, 2011, 8:24 #12900

    I really wish Arsene would just resign and go quitely. He doesn't deserve to be constantly abused in the media and in the ground but he must surely understand his time is well and truly up? Arsene, please do the decent thing and retain your dignity.

  77. au revoir wenger

    Sep 18, 2011, 7:59 #12898

    perhaps now all the muppets who support wenger will finally wake up.it is plain to see nothing is being addressed ebout our defending,Wenger is clueless he is killing this club

  78. Nick

    Mar 24, 2011, 13:40 #4066

    TFG 22:00pm 19th Mar 2011 Tommy, with respect, I hardly think that Simon's head is up Wenger's arse. What he has clearly said is that there are known deficiencies about which we can do very little at the moment --------------- You're right in what you say about being able to do very little about our deficiencis at the moment. Howver, these deficiencies are that same as the ones we had last summer AND in January when we COULD have done something about them!!!!

  79. Redrag

    Mar 20, 2011, 21:45 #3910

    We are a complete joke Simon! All the time Wenger is allowed to continue with this unbalance of youth and poor quality bargain basement buys! Everytime Wenger opens his mouth I'm embarassed by his comments and pathetic excuses.........just how stupid does he think we are? He bleats on about integrity so why not just say either the club has no ambition or that they have no money. Because that's what it comes down too!.......Please tell me I'm wrong.

  80. david melluish

    Mar 20, 2011, 20:21 #3908

    after even greater thought over the weekend and hearing the views of many gooners i agree we must wait to air our unhappiness at the end of the season?not that any body at the club will listen perhaps if we wait to the last possable moment to renew our season ticket that might have an affect.....

  81. Ademola Odebode

    Mar 20, 2011, 19:12 #3905

    i have just been rubbished by my roomies as i speak. i had to keep quiet. We need to make a u turn to these bad fortunes. these players should believe in themselves more. I want to be able to be proud of my club. the club i chose and the club i cant think of leaving. i am with arsenal all the way!!! but.....things need to change!

  82. The Happening

    Mar 20, 2011, 13:26 #3891

    Why state the obvious of what I do and have been doing as an AFC supporter all my life inspite of winning or losing Simon? Hmmm..!

  83. wenger out

    Mar 20, 2011, 12:41 #3885

    zzzzzzzzzzzz. Another dull-ard article from a dull-ard writer. It's time to show these losers that we are sick to the back teeth of them. A group of players that can throw a 4 nil lead away against a team that were in the championship last year, lose to Birmingham in a cup final, throw a 2 goal lead away to tottingham at home. Shame on these losers. Perhaps they should show us some support for once - just like they did at Old Trafford when they trudged off the pitch at the end of the game without even acknowleding us. Wankers, losers and flakes. Get Wenger out.

  84. Chris

    Mar 20, 2011, 11:56 #3883

    Arsenal swim against the tide enough as it is, I'd rather do something productive rather then engage in something the 19 other teams in the league are only too happy to do! Even after yesterday, this makes more sense than most things I've read here.

  85. Dennis

    Mar 20, 2011, 10:44 #3880

    Well said Simon. We can scream all we like when the fat lady's finally singing and hopefully we've done our it to help us win the league.

  86. M C

    Mar 20, 2011, 10:43 #3879

    You mug

  87. Chuckles

    Mar 20, 2011, 9:36 #3878

    post-mortems!!!!! Isn't that conceding our season is dead?!

  88. Bergy

    Mar 20, 2011, 7:54 #3872

    Even if we win the league, we would have done so not because we were 't brilliant and the best but because our rivals have been strangely poor. What it will say if we, as seems likely, don't win. Will winning the league make AW more pig-headed and stubborn then ever before? I suspect even if we did lose, he will still be the same.

  89. TFG

    Mar 19, 2011, 22:00 #3865

    Tommy, with respect, I hardly think that Simon's head is up Wenger's arse. What he has clearly said is that there are known deficiencies about which we can do very little at the moment. In the circumstances, the options are to villify or encourage and support. I for one will have plenty to say once the season is over, whatever the outcome. Now is not the time. If some immediate remedy was available and being ignored, I would agree with you. As it is, the piece is asking for lenience and goodwill while there is a chance for redemption - however remote that possibility might seem.

  90. Tommy

    Mar 19, 2011, 18:19 #3852

    Take you head out of Wengers arse Simon.We are not going to win the title with this team of bottlers.Your posts are getting more desperate.Its all over

  91. Gunaman

    Mar 19, 2011, 18:07 #3851

    Blind support leads nowhere-something has to change at Arsenal-Period

  92. gooner til i die

    Mar 19, 2011, 17:12 #3850

    Spot on Simon, we are ALL feeling the pain of the last few weeks BUT this is our club. We chose it, we live with it and I will die supporting it. However please will they wake up and smell the coffee.

  93. deeluded

    Mar 19, 2011, 12:22 #3842

    same as last season and the previous 4 seasons! hoorah!

  94. chris dee

    Mar 19, 2011, 12:07 #3840

    Wise words Simon. I'm sure the fans at the Hawthorns,including my brother,will give their usual brilliant raucous support to the team. But your sentiments have been echoed over and over again in the last few years every time we collapse at vital times in games and in the season.Time and patience are running out.Not because I don't love the club but because I want Arsenal to be a club that matches the achievments of A C Milan,Inter,Juventus,United,Barca,Real Madrid,Bayern Munich,Liverpool.These are the top tier of football,that's where we should aim for not the equivalent of Valencia in Spain or Roma in Italy.In the thirties we were the biggest club in the world and every time we have had some success since then we never follow it through with consistent success.It is to our boards (and previous boards) shame that we have never won the Champions League.You cannot call yourself a big club if you have never won this trophy. As you say,with the way things have panned out, we now have a chance of the Premiership but nothing but nothing has indicated that this team has the qualities needed to pull it off.I desparately and fervently hope I am wrong. Lose or draw today and the shit will really hit the fan with the supporters,my self included, reactions.

  95. HowardL

    Mar 19, 2011, 11:47 #3839

    OK, agreed, let's get behind the team and hope they prove us all wrong!

  96. GoonerRon

    Mar 19, 2011, 11:36 #3837

    Absolutely top post Simon, couldn't agree more.

  97. CD

    Mar 19, 2011, 10:10 #3831

    Valid point Simon.