Andrey gives us ten minutes

Online Ed: Arsenal make last eight of Carling Cup quarter finals



Andrey gives us ten minutes

Arshavin: Lethal when interested


I watched this match in the company of the Highbury Spy – who, although technically retired – is loving the idea of being able to produce a column for the Gooner (print version) as and if he feels like it. So he can be read in the current issue (available here) and will be in the next one which comes out for the Marseille match next Tuesday. You just can’t keep a good man down. Anyhow, because of needing to work on said issue, this will be one of my briefer online editorials.

The reason I mention the Spy is because it was he who informed me that last night’s win meant Arsenal had reached the quarter finals of this competition for nine seasons in a row. I have not the time or inclination to verify this statistic, but if true, it is quite a remarkable achievement, not least because of the weakened sides that have been fielded down the years.

And it was predictably a mix and match selection that took the field against a Bolton side that featured a few names, and the tie was no gimme. In a first half that featured a few long range efforts from both teams, I thought Bolton looked the better of the two sides. Arsenal were weak in the full back positions and the midfield was so raw they had trouble getting a foothold in the game. It was interesting to see Arshavin start, although at times before the interval it seemed like he’d rather be at home in front of the telly with his slippers on. The return of Thomas Vermaelen was heartwarming, whilst that of Sebastien Squillaci was heart attack threatening. In fairness to the number 18, he did improve the longer the game went on.

Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain had a quiet evening. In fact, his performance in the whole game was not unlike his first half against Shrewsbury. However, he kept trying and there were some nice flashes of skill. His movement is developing and he is a willing runner into space to take the ball. At his age, there is going to be inconsistency and part of the whole Carling Cup ethos at the club (and most others these days) is to give developing players the match time they need when League points are not at stake. If the Gunners had been beaten by Bolton last night, not too many would be crying into their cornflakes. It’s when a stronger side are beaten in the latter stages by relegation fodder that it hurts. Arsenal have the chance to right that wrong this season, although the last eight is shaping up to be a lot tougher than last season and everyone is convinced the next tie will be a visit to Old Trafford. That’s a 7-1 shot, but you could just see it being drawn out of the hat this weekend.

Emmanuel Frimpong is another youngster who needs games under his belt and he would have learned from this one. He was a little careless in possession a little too often and needs to work on his close control. Benayoun looked busy and is a willing tryer, but the team inevitably had trouble clicking. Promising situations came to an abrupt halt because of a bad pass or an interception a little more than might have happened with more established players. Park tried manfully, and certainly performed better in the central role than he did on the left side in the previous round. Another player about whom we cannot make definitive conclusions until he has played more games, although that does not appear likely outside of this competition. Given Chamakh’s current form though, I’d be more inclined to use Park as a sub for Van Persie at the moment, if only to build his confidence.

The second half saw Bolton go ahead thanks to some poor defending. I could not swear to it, but I think the opposition had a man over because the Ox did not track his man. I’ve not seen any highlights, so don’t crucify me if I have that wrong. However, Arsenal switched off and Arshavin consequently became interested for a few minutes, in which time he scored one and set up Park for the winner. Both finishes were exquisite.

Bolton went for it and came close, but the defence got away with it on this night. There were certainly opportunities for an equalizer. But that’s cup football. No-one cares how you get in the draw for the next round, and even the players that performed less well would have benefitted from the exercise. And they will get another chance in December.

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  1. Mark

    Oct 27, 2011, 7:06 #14548

    9 seasons in a row in the Carling quarter finals 15 years in the CL.So what?Isnt the object to win these trophies?.As has been said we only have to win 2 games to get to the quarter final.What next celebrating getting to the 5th round of the FA cup?

  2. DW Thomas

    Oct 27, 2011, 1:57 #14546

    Arshavin is top quality, just not consistent enough to be world class. I put RVP in the category with Cesc, Rooney, Xavi, Ribery, Drogba in his prime, etc. Arshavin has the silky skills and can change a game, but he doesn't do it often enough. I can remember many games where Rooney and Drogba took over and dominated. Caught the highlights of Park in the CC and I liked what I saw. Good movement, hard-working, and nice finishing skills. I think he needs some time in a real league match against better defenders to see if he can hack it. I don't think you get to be captain of any decent national team side without some very good qualities. As far as the 9 QFs in the CC, who cares, really. Especially if we haven't won it. We often get to the later stages of the CL, and we still haven't won that either. We are a club badly in need of a trophy not only to end the "drought" but to prove to the players themselves that they are winners. Hopefully TV back for Chelsea will boost the whole team and provide some good options for the back four. If we beat them at the Bridge, it could be fair to say we are starting to turn the corner. Then two more winnable home games (Marseille and WBA) and Norwich away could see another 6 points in the league and a strong position atop our group in the CL. That kind of run could be a springboard to greater achievements! Still need January additions though.

  3. Danny

    Oct 26, 2011, 19:32 #14541

    So every season we have to win two matches to get to the QFs.And thats a great achievement?.Does that compare with the Spuds winning it?.Dont think so.Our ambitions really have gone down when reaching a QF is celebrated.What about winning the damn thing

  4. Mike

    Oct 26, 2011, 15:19 #14536

    Yet another premier side brushed aside by a resurgent Arsenal - A goal to Park, meaning all the new signings except Per have a goal to their credit. Disciplinary issues at Chelsea means they are ready to be picked off on Monday. I make it six wins out of seven?

  5. will

    Oct 26, 2011, 15:12 #14535

    Ash is frustrating but he can and frequently does turn a game.There are signs he's rediscovering some confidence and we need his spark badly in tight games. I would prefer he started instead of Walcott who just doesn't seem to be developing into the real deal.

  6. Mark from Ashtead

    Oct 26, 2011, 13:48 #14533

    I think we'd have to say that we're making slow, methodical progress at present. Standout performers were Park & Benayoun for me, with great improvement (albeit from a low base) from Arshavin, who was clearly benefitting from playing in his proper position for a change. Don't agree with Kevin's comments re the full backs. Nico was clearly (and understandably) nervous, and playing within himself, but a decent first showing. For me, Miguel is a class act that AW needs to give a bit more of a chance. As an old left back myself who played at a decent semi pro standard I thought he did well, albeit getting skinned on the one time by Kakuta (who looked pretty good, if perhaps a bit raw). The young bucks in midfield (AOC, Frimpong & Cocquelin) had relatively poor games, although I think that's to be expected at times. For me, they're all good enough and will deliver for us in the coming weeks, months and years. Overall, I would imagine that AW was very pleased with the performance and result against a decent Bolton side who had a real go on the night. Two last comments. Does anyone out there agree that AW should persevere more with the 4-4-2 (4-4-1-1) formation apparently employed last night? I certainly think that it would have its uses in certain games... Lastly, what are we going to do about fabianski's obvious confidence problem? He clearly has all of the skills necessary to be a top goalkeeper, and made a number of excellent saves that kept us in the contest last night. But he still appears to have a couple of (inexplicable) mistakes in him per game; baffling...

  7. CB

    Oct 26, 2011, 12:53 #14531

    Just to balance things, here are the positives as I see them (would be great to have similar from any article writers to balance the negativity) - TV is back and looking good - good run of winning games, must be improving confidence - more partnerships are developing (eg defence), this was heartwarming on Sunday to see how we dominated agaisnt Stoke - RVP is fit, for another game at least - we have a decent keeper at last - we have good back-up, given we beat a Premiership strength side in Bolton (who should start coming up the league after an exceptionally tough start to the season) - we have decent youngsters coming through - Arshavin is back on form, especially playing in his best position - Park has scored 8 goals in 6 so is in form and AW says he is ready for league games - we have bought Premiership experience in Arteta and Benny - Ramsey starting to look like he was before Shawcross - we are doing well in Europe - not many injuries - we aren't out of anything yet - we have done this despite losing our two best players of last season Apologies if this is too positive for the Online Gooner, but I wouldn't have posted if there was some balance in most OG articles and the podcast, which generally come across as whinging and 'clever' ie snide. I'm not saying everything is rosy, just trying to correct the balance. Equally I'm no trying to slag the OG, just point out that it seems the easy 'let's point out how crap AW, some players and the club are' route is often taken without much analysis or consideration of the good things.

  8. dan

    Oct 26, 2011, 11:59 #14528

    T.B.H It's not a very good achievement is it,let's be honest...9 years and we we still have not won the thing,play the women instead they got a better chance of winning it then the men...

  9. Theopants Bikini-Line

    Oct 26, 2011, 11:59 #14527

    Reaching nine consecutive League Cup 1/4 finals is not as impressive a statistic as it appears on the surface. We only actually have to win two matches to reach that far as we don't play in the 2nd round because of being in European competition. More revealing is the fact that despite that record, we've only reached the final twice in that time and, even worse, never managed to win it!!

  10. Website Editor

    Oct 26, 2011, 11:30 #14526

    Just been informed by Ian Tanner that 'The chance of being drawn at OT in 1/4s is 14-1 shot as 7 teams and home or away'. Wonder why my one time ambition to become a professional gambler never quite worked out...

  11. Ron

    Oct 26, 2011, 11:00 #14524

    Never went last night but if he gives 10 such productive mins each game, that ll do fine! Problem is, he isnt always so productive hence the stick he gets. A player like him will always get hammered unless his bursts of action get results. I think he's used to it and doesnt get too fussed about it to be honest. Lets face it, a great many players can huff and puff and burst their lungs each game but actually produce ziltch ( a good many english players are like that in fact). Arsh is an easy target and we ve all dissed him at times.

  12. Kevin

    Oct 26, 2011, 10:47 #14523

    Nine Q/F's but no wins thats all you need to know no trophies for Q/Fs just as no trophies for finishing 4th.Arshavin may be lazy but give me him over Walcock any day of the week.Arshavin can always produce that moment of magic.If Squillaci starts in the next round against likely better opposition than Bolton he will get eaten alive

  13. Old Timer

    Oct 26, 2011, 10:23 #14522

    That wasn't a Bolton squad side last night. The youngsters have achieved some stunning results at the Grove over recent years - Wigan 3-0, Newcastle 2-0, Sheffield Utd 6-0 -against full strength sides. I've enjoyed these matches immensely . Not just for the entertaining and effective (occasionally sublime -think Carlos Vela against Sheffield) football we played, but because it gives so many people an affordable opportunity to sample the magic of a night match at the Grove. Lovely to see so many mums and dads bringing their kids for what is obviously a first time. This year's final was deeply disappointing but we shouldn't dismiss the competition - and all our efforts in it - as a result.

  14. Brigham

    Oct 26, 2011, 9:25 #14521

    I agree with Oxy-Moron in that it is difficult to make too much of the nine seasons in a row stat. But saying that, not too bad a stat to have and this competition does give the younger members of the squad the chance for some 'real' game experience. Looking at who is still left in the competition though, particularly the two Manchester teams, it would be hard to see us getting any further should we draw one of them. To end on a plus, another win, which will breed more confidence to the team in general, although we still have a long way to go improvments wise.

  15. Dan h

    Oct 26, 2011, 9:24 #14520

    To be fair with Chelsea coming up on saturday and with a chance to virtually wrap up qualification in the CL next tuesday it's a good win.Park showed good movement great finish just needs to time his runs better to not get caught offside.The one thing you get with him will be a great work ethic something that has been used against some of our recent forwards!TV returning was great to see natural footballer to put a performance in like that after 1 training session hats off to him.AA also deserves a mention hopefully a bit of confidence may start coming back to his game.You do feel though the side may have to be a fair bit stronger for us to progress in the next round.

  16. CB

    Oct 26, 2011, 8:44 #14519

    Too harsh on Arsh... He is a game changer and risk taker. If the opposition discount him as a small and lazy player then great. However he puts in exceptional spells at times and the stats show this. Maybe play him in his proper position rather than as a left winger...oh they did last night and see what happened.

  17. Oxy-Moron

    Oct 26, 2011, 8:38 #14518

    Don't place too much on the stat of reaching the QF's for nine seasons in a row - it's more of a sad comment on the status this competition now holds rather than anything for the club to be proud of. The general malaise towards the competition has grown and grown like a cancer over the last ten years to the extent that even championship sides now field "squad" line-ups. Compare this to the FA cup where our record is less laudable - a competition where teams really are "up for it" - the contrast is striking. Great result though, punctuated by some good individual performances. Unfortunately for Arsenal, City and United remain in the competition.......

  18. Moscow Gooner

    Jun 18, 2011, 14:55 #8851

    Pat: '...a sending-off away from beating Barca in the Nou Camp' WTF??!! Dream on: we weren t even remotely close!!!! Surely even the AKB brigade can t swallow this one?

  19. clockendpaul

    Jun 15, 2011, 18:26 #8794

    Did you get your six year old to write that one simon!

  20. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Jun 15, 2011, 16:01 #8789

    So, AW's chasing a French speaking African player from the French league...wow, that sounds quite familiar to the last five or so summers...

  21. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 15, 2011, 15:47 #8788

    could you please tell us something worth while and not something we all ready know.

  22. Mankytroll

    Jun 15, 2011, 0:32 #8755

    Its Groundhog day. Wenger has lost the plot.

  23. Tom

    Jun 14, 2011, 23:18 #8754

    It's the same old Arsenal - one step forward and two back. We may sign a defender and Gervinho, but then we'll lose Cesc to Barca and Nasri to Manure, then Wenger won't sign anyone in the middle of the park as he wouldn't want to 'harm' Ramsey and Wilshere's development. Its the same as 2008 - We were so close then lost Hleb and Flamini and were back to square one.

  24. Unbeaten 03/04

    Jun 14, 2011, 23:04 #8753

    Well you can hold your breath...I'm not! Only rejects on cheap deal will be left and that what Arsenal is going to buy! why can't we be like ManU know waht you want and go and get it (in a serious way).

  25. cjm

    Jun 14, 2011, 20:52 #8750

    what was the point of this article? Said nothing of interest and nothing of worth! Thanks for the great insight into the fact that last season is in the past and that some players want to stay close to where they come from. Genius. If only we all had your vision. zzzzzzzzzzzzz.

  26. Pat

    Jun 14, 2011, 20:51 #8749

    At last a bit of reason. The knee-jerk reaction of some of our so-called fans over the past seven years is laughable. We seriously challenged for all four trophies we competed in last season reaching the final of the Carling Cup and were a sending-off away from beating Barca in the Nou Camp. Vermaelen was injured all year, no other side could manage without their no.1 centre back for so long. Squillaci will be much better for his first season and those writing him off already are effectively writing off Arsene Wenger as a shrewd judge!! (I think history shows he's the best manager of all time in developing young players and turning unknowns into superstars). Our defence will be rock solid once Vermaelen's back, Gibbs and Eboue would walk into any other team's 1st 11, let alone be back-up for The Arsenal. We've got no problems in goal, Song is probably the best centre midfielder in the land and ably backed by Diaby, Theo, Andrey, Rosicky have pace, fight and creativity in abundance. Denilson gets a lot of stick but his pass rate is well up in the 60 per cent region and I think it'll be a case of not knowing what u had once he's gone. Up front a fully fit RVP and a fully awake Chamakh will be the best strikeforce in europe. Bendtner has shown versatility and a great attitude by playing on the wing and I think we're booting him out too early, his hat-trick against Orient will live long in the memory, but Arsene sees him everyday at training so I'll leave that to Le Boss to decide. Wenger, despite the club being skint, will reinforce where he needs to and I trust him to do so (when has he never?!). Get behind the boys, they give their all and to a man bleed Arsenal, and stop whining. I think Wenger will prove, maybe not next season or the one after that but definitely by the season after, that this is indeed his best ever squad. Proud to be a Gunner!

  27. Whinger_OUT_NOW

    Jun 14, 2011, 20:15 #8748

    2012 will be the same as 2011 Just like 2011 was a repeat of 2010 and 2010 a repeat of 2009...you get the drift. Why? Whinger has decided he wants to continue with yes man Rice instead of someone who has the balls to tell him to f*** off. As well, we ALL know we need 4 world class players in addition to replacements for Cesc and Nasri. Yet, despite this pressing need, who are we linked to? Samba who at the peak of his career at 28 is still at mighty Blackburn and Gervinho..another african frenchie with a ****ty attitude who'll fade away into oblivion with the first crunching tackle of the season from Stoke..much like the other frenchies we already have. These are the sort of players that Whinger will bring in, and has been bringing in since 2004, and why we are destined to see 2011 repeated again, much 2010, 2009...

  28. John Evans

    Jun 14, 2011, 19:33 #8746

    Doesn't really say a lot does it.... Last season is last season and next season is next season. Thanks for that info

  29. The Happening

    Jun 14, 2011, 17:39 #8742

    Good attitude! Why didn't Wenger spend before? He has risked the wrath of the fans, we could all see it, how come he couldn't?? Anyway... Gervinho looks like the type of player we need, much like TT, come on the Arsenal!

  30. Simon

    Jun 14, 2011, 16:06 #8740

    Gervinho?? Hope I am wrong but 14 g or goals in French league last season and not huge competition for his services suggests we might be getting more of last season.

  31. Dan

    Jun 14, 2011, 15:56 #8739

    Still got those rose-tinted specs on Simon?.The problem is Wenger and as long as he remains at the club nothing will change regardless of who he brings in.The Wenger brand is dead.And until Uncle Stan has the balls to sack him we will again be fighting for 4th place