Give that man a statue

Online Ed: RVP the difference, as so often the case



Give that man a statue

Van the Man: 2012-13 doesn’t bear thinking about without him


So 125 years. How apt that Arsenal should win on their anniversary game with a scoreline regarded as untypical of Arsene Wenger. But fans came to celebrate a history longer than the current manager’s 15 years, and the presence of figures from the 1971 and 1989/91 sides before the game brought back many a fine memory of narrow victories past. The most intriguing aspect of the whole shebang for this observer was where the various ‘legends’ were dotted around the directors’ box to watch the game, and indeed what they made of it. Robert Pires was seated next to Fabio Capello. I wonder if they had any kind of meaningful exchange?

Everton’s role was to poop the party, and although the scoreline suggests they did a decent job of trying, the reality is that only Arsenal’s shocking profligacy in front of goal during the first half avoided the second being a training ground exercise. At least Van Persie’s wondrous volley meant the first half mistakes did not ultimately cost. However, Walcott, Gervinho and Ramsey need to be putting extra hours in on the training field to convert gilt-edged opportunities. Credit to the side for fathoming the chances, but zero marks for conversion. When the captain finally had an opportunity, he was blocked by Theo. It is amazing that Arsenal have put a decent run together given the rarity of most of their attacking players being able to find the net. And it begs the question of how Arsenal can fill a Van Persie shaped hole when the player departs next summer.

Still, we have the rest of this season to enjoy one of the world’s best strikers, and three points are three points, so I for one am not going to complain about a performance if the end result is mission accomplished. (For all the haters in the comments, what follows is not moaning but observation and opinion, as some seem unable to distinguish the difference.) Perhaps we are seeing the benefit of sacrificing the likes of Bendtner, Denilson and Vela, players who owed their careers to the manager, and replacing them with experienced heads that have learned their trade under a different, dare I say it, more pragmatic approach. Sure Everton came on strong towards the end, you’d expect them to, but for the most part, the panic of old was gone. The Gunners look less likely to sacrifice leads these days and I have no doubt the presence of Arteta and Mertesacker, as well as the returned Vermaelen, has helped a lot in this regard. These players are old enough and wise enough not to get suspensions as a consequence of being wound up by opponents, and no-one’s worried about a young prospect’s career being killed any more. In fact, the younger players that are in the team are learning and improving. Alex Song’s game seems to have got better, and he will be a big miss in January when the African Cup of Nations comes round. It will be interesting to see if Frimpong or Coquelin gets the nod to fill in, my preference being the latter, who seems more mature in his decision-making. (Ed’s note – since posting, it has been pointed out to me that Cameroon failed to qualify for the ACN, which I have to say came as a bit of a shock. Still, a very nice one. Who’d have thought it? Obviously not me!) Ignasi Miquel is another who will benefit from playing in a backline with older heads when the opportunities arise.

I thought Aaron Ramsey had a poor game against Everton. A willing tryer, but too many passes misplaced, given his reputation. He is understandably inconsistent given his age and perhaps he is playing too many matches and fatigue is affecting his performances. He is playing as effectively the fourth attacker, and I wonder what the alternatives are, should he need a rest. If you had more defence conscientious wide men, you could afford to play Arshavin there, but that isn’t going to happen in a month of Sundays. The Russian should have been played in the hole from day one, but he has been misused by the manager, with the consequences of the disinterested individual we see today. I sat next to a Russian friend at the game and he told me our number 23 is still captain for his country and performs outstandingly in his national colours. What a waste, another legacy of what will become known as the wasted years when the manager was given free rein to indulge himself after the stadium move.

Still, those days look to be behind us with the late August splurge, and results like yesterday’s give us some optimism going to Eastlands next weekend. Granted the team has nothing to lose, but it is a real opportunity to rise to the challenge as they did at Stamford Bridge. I worry about a contest like David Silva v Johan Djourou, but we can only hope the fill-in right back has a blinder and that Theo Walcott is mindful enough to double up when Silva is working on his flank. It’s a chance for Wenger’s team to demonstrate how resilient they can be. If they have any aspirations of getting something from the game though, the finishing needs to be better than it was against Everton.

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  1. Peter Hughes

    Dec 13, 2011, 23:55 #15955

    For all the complaints about the editors article it has certainly stimulated a lot of comments.I would guess that is exactly what is meant to do.We all have our own opinions but we all want to see Arsenal win.We are also doing a lot better than I thought was possible a few months ago.I suppose it would be boring if we all said we are doing great with no criticism,or just moaned about everything.Anyway the deadwood I would get rid of is........

  2. Naz

    Dec 13, 2011, 0:27 #15903

    Some people are insane. The only thing people are negative for is because they have a desire for progress. Because they have ambition for the club they love and want to express those concerns and ideas. Criticism should be encouraged and debated because inevitably if listened to, it will enlighten. So when people bemoan fourth position ambitions for yet another season, and perceived daft decisions or ineptitude its because they dream of titles, because they love arsenal more than anyone in it, or anyone else supporting it for that matter. When the team is playing we are all behind them all craving victory and glory, being unhappy when that glory is denied is perfectly acceptable. Arsenal is bigger than Wenger, bigger than RVP, bigger than the board, and bigger then Kroenke and and hence none are beyond criticism. I want Arsenal to have the glory and pride, it deserves and to take its place amongst the top clubs in history, the things that hinder this happening I will bemoan until the end of time. If the glass is always looked at as half full, why fill it? Anyways on to lighter notes... I feel that we should try Arshavin out as a central attacking midfielder. I cant help feeling that hes lost huge amounts of pace over the past year (watch replays of that liverpool game and he used to be rapid!) and has hence lost the ability to beat a man down the wing. But he can still be fiddly just in front of the centre backs and pick a pass. Funnily enough if we look at the positions we seem to be short of quality at (striker, left wing and attakin mid) one player can play all these positions and play them well: Tevez (never ever coming, I know! but i can dream). What about a second striker, since ive lost all hope in chamakh. Any available quality strikers people can think of at a reasonable price? (Probably no new signings coming in Jan, but its fun to dream that we have a board half interested in titles and the pride of the club)

  3. Marwood on the wing

    Dec 12, 2011, 17:28 #15897

    Kevin - RVP leaving in the summer, Cameroon playing in the African nations. Jag and Cahill signing in august, a best of all you have a mate who is russian? With journalism like this who needs the tabloids? Negativity to an extreme once again. Well done arsene, well done the team and well done some of the positive fans who have posted on here. Up the Arsenal.

  4. N16 Gooner

    Dec 12, 2011, 16:49 #15896

    Perfectly good report Kev, I don't quite understand what some of the people who make these comments below want from you? You can't win either way mate.

  5. LoyalGooner

    Dec 12, 2011, 14:16 #15893

    "fill a Van Persie shaped hole when the player departs next summer". Kevin's run of inaccuracy continues - he assured all on this site Cahill+Jagielka were signing in the punultimate week of the transfer window. Rest assured RVP will lead the side again next season. 22 points from 24 !! Credit to all at Arsenal - Fantastic achievement. Let's fight tooth and nail to keep the run going next Sunday. City spent 1£bn over 3 years for Europa league - hillarious

  6. Nick

    Dec 12, 2011, 13:32 #15891

    I agree with the writer who would play kos and miguel at full back against city and believe also that chamberlain should be given a chance what more has the boy got to do instead wenger insists on sticking by non performers and i also agree that his obsession with playing people like arshavin out of position is ludicrous and damages the players confidence and self belief why does everyone have to be a winger and despite what he says we HAVE NO specalist wingers at the club im gratefull for how he transformed our club and the football we play but i remember playing good football under bily wright but we were no hopers then and are becoming that again maybe weve been spoilt but everybody keeps saying that football is different now and our expexctations are not i think unreasonable settling for a top four place is but i predict he will procrastinate in jan and we will suffer injurys and loss of form and fall by the wasyside yet again i hope im wrong

  7. DB10

    Dec 12, 2011, 13:00 #15889

    i think kevin really really wants to be positive but he's just annoyed that we've blown our chance to win the Europa League? 22 points from 24, champs league (and no barca) in february. no we won't win it because barca are in it, and we won't win the league because we had an awful start and more significantly man city have dropped just 4 points so far! we may not even finish fourth but after the worst start in living memory we're ahead of the chavs and liverpool. we didn't play well but we won, last week we weren't great but we won. we may not win next week nor the week after so for your own sake lighten up and enjoy today!

  8. Dorset Gonner

    Dec 12, 2011, 11:41 #15888

    I think we know that Song isn't going to the ANC, the right back position against Chity is worrying, maybe worth moving Johan into the middle with Per, and playing Kos at right back. Johan's positional play against Everton was poor and Silva will take advantage.

  9. Merse69

    Dec 12, 2011, 10:55 #15887

    A game won by a truly beautiful goal. A moment that sums up Wenger's philosophy... give me that any day instead of the myopic negativity that here passes for observation and opinion. Players like RVP (Bergkamp, Henry etc and so on) have played for Arsenal BECAUSE Wenger is the manager.

  10. Judge Fred

    Dec 12, 2011, 10:19 #15886

    I thought The-O had a decent game. Again I would like to see him as central striker very soon.

  11. Mandy Dodd

    Dec 12, 2011, 9:58 #15885

    Tony my comments not aimed especially at you or other true Gooners on here. But as Canada Gooners writes, sometimes things go a bit over board on the negativitty here. Things went wrong, as they stand attempts are being made put them right, results in key games now seem to reflect this . I get the impression some are waiting for the team to fail to suit their own agenda what kind support is that?

  12. chrid dee

    Dec 12, 2011, 9:20 #15884

    Ah diddums! Poor old misunderstood martyr Arshavin can't play in his favourite position so he sits in the corner sucking his thumb. That's devotion to the cause alright and Kevin Whitcher excuses all this with the help of his Russian 'friend'? Well I've also got a Russian 'friend' who says Arshavin has been lazy,indiferent,casual,uncommited,lackadaisical and downright disrepectful to his team mates in his lack of effort.So please don't try and white wash these past two disgraceful seasons with bull poo poo. He once scored four brilliant goals at Anfield.What position was he playing?Wide on the left.

  13. Tony Evans

    Dec 12, 2011, 8:47 #15883

    Just a thought on the anti / pro Wenger comments that rage on this site. Mandy - yes there are some puzzling comments on the site - yours included sometimes. Over and above all else we are all Arsenal fans and although I have my problems with some of Wenger's decisions I always get behind the team on match days when I am lucky enough to go. I think we all need to accept that there is merit in most fans comments and we all have to accept that. I think Wenger inspires so many anti or pro comments because of where Arsenal are and have been for the last few years. By that I mean the team does well enough to keep some fans happy, not well enough for others and not badly enough for everyone to want him out. I don't know what to make of Wenger - I admire the way he is trying to run the club and the fact that he has kept us in the top four but on the other side of the coin some of the players he has brought in and stuck with beggars belief and some of his decisions baffle the hell out of me.

  14. Den

    Dec 12, 2011, 6:56 #15882

    @canadagooner Wenger has been at Arsenal for 15 years.10 of those seasons have been trophyless.His management of the club for the last 6 years has been barmy.Give the likes of Denilson Bendtner and Diaby long term contract worth 10 times what they are worth then we cant sell them which other club would be mad to pay them £60k a week.While every summer our best players leave because of the lack of ambition of the club.If you are happy with the way the club is run and managed good luck to you im not.I dont consider finishing 4th success.I want you to address the last 6 years and stop going back to pre 2005.That is history.Living in the past.Dont get me wrong Wenger WAS a great manager but he isnt now and never will be again

  15. der Projekt ist Kaput

    Dec 12, 2011, 0:31 #15881

    We won - three points and another clean sheet. Excellent. But again we see that if RvP doesn't score, Arsenal don't win. Is the Ed wrong to say that RvP will be content to remain with a club with such limited ambition? Would a player in such form as he (where he could play in any team in the world) be content in the way Arsenal are being run by the current manager and the board? If in January Wenger decides to keep with what he has, get those banners ready saying 'Goodbye Robin - and thanks for the goals!'

  16. Tony

    Dec 12, 2011, 0:01 #15879

    The harsh comments concerning the Online Ed “making things up to put a negative spin on things” (regarding the mistaken belief that Song’s services would be lost due to the ACN) are misplaced. He acknowledged his error. Get over it. As for the Everton fixture, I agree that Ramsey looks to have “heavy” legs, and was quite poor. He wouldn’t be faulted for being a bit more selfish on Song’s wonderful through pass, and endeavoring to test the goalkeeper with a first-time effort - however, we saw a player with no confidence in his finishing. I trust his confidence will increase (as with any player) by putting a ball in the back of the net, but his inability to score has been nothing short of shocking recently. I, for one, am willing to be patient with the young man. Jack’s return will certainly benefit no one more than the young Welshman. In the meantime, I support the assertion that our number 23 deserves a run of games in the hole for no other reason that, in Mr. Wenger’s words, Ramsey is obviously approaching “the red.” He may well be there already. I also truly hope Mr. Wenger will use the Ox during Gervinho’s upcoming ACN absence. The way I see things, this is a team currently managing to find ways to win despite (with the exception of a stroke of brilliance in the 70th minute) a clearly sub-par performance from RVP and a complete lack of decisive finishing from the rest of the team, namely Theo, Gervinho and Ramsey. Make no mistake, as usual, I bit my nails during the final 10 minutes, but I’m growing more convinced with each win (especially those coming by way of a clean sheet) that the team will continue to progress. I’m also quietly confident of a result in Eastlands. It seems some of the pundits and glass-half-empty lot must often be reminded that teams currently above us in the table will continue to drop points. Look at Sp**s today at the Britannia. I choose to look at it as a case of the cream beginning to rise to the top. Come on you Reds!

  17. Jim

    Dec 11, 2011, 22:08 #15878

    Jimmy, he knows RVP will leave in the summer, in the same way he knew that Cahill and Jagielka were going to sign for us last year

  18. DW Thomas

    Dec 11, 2011, 22:03 #15877

    Kevin is pretty spot on again with his words. RVP has saved us how many times this season? He had a luke warm game at best besides the goal, which was top drawer. We desperately need Jack back especially against the better teams. We still have no one a la Cesc to slice open defenses with one and two touch passing. Ramsey I really do like for his effort, but his inexperience shows all too often. He's not good enough to be our go to MF. Walcott and Gerv. really are too wasteful and need to work on their finishing daily, a lot. They miss so many solid to really good chances which would allow us some breathing room in games. This team now seems they can put a game to bed with a one goal lead (hope I don't eat those words too often!). Yet, if you want success you need an engine in the middle who can create and score. Gotze I think is the answer. Even if you pay over the odds for one player, he is worth it. Wenger's stubbornness and ego prevent this team from being complete. Oh, and we still need another striker unless Park really shines.

  19. Canadagooner

    Dec 11, 2011, 21:36 #15876

    @Mandy Dodd - it's surprising that this website is called 'onlinegooner'; shouldnt it be 'onlineantigooner'? when i moved to work in canada, i tried to find an online forum where i can keep up with reading about arsenal between flying home to watch as many live games as I can. i found onlinegooner and the first few weeks i thought, ok, perhaps this is just a one-off week(s) of negativity and that suport for the team (especially as the season is still on) will pop up soon. but now it's quite clear to me that you have to be negative to fit in on this site. myself and a handful of others will try to remain positive i suppose. i'm just thankful that the 40,000+ fans at the stadium on matchday are clearly not representative of the serial-negativity champions on here

  20. Mandy Dodd

    Dec 11, 2011, 20:55 #15875

    Makes me laugh, if i had £1 for everyone claiming inside knowledge on these boards, the fact is nobody here knows RVPS plans or they would be selling exclusives to the highest bidder. The beauty of the internet, anyone can claim to be anyone, to know anything without having to back up any of it. Great result yesterday, delicious to win ugly against a team who parked the bus for large portions of the game. We have lost three of our very best players over the last few months but in many ways look stronger. Wenger and coach Rice deserve huge credit. What a player Kos is becoming, slotting into different positions for the backless wonders. Guess a few on here may be drowning sorrows after the Stoke game!

  21. RJ

    Dec 11, 2011, 20:39 #15874

    @Ray - Hope your information is as reliable as that bloke on here who said that Cesc was CERTAINLY going to Real Madrid! I suspect you are right that RVP is looking at what is available elsewhere - understandable, and who wouldn't - but I remain hopeful he will show some loyalty. But, if I am wrong, I am wrong - I just hope the bloke stays fit and keeps scoring. Cheers

  22. Theo's Bikini-Line

    Dec 11, 2011, 20:29 #15873

    CanadaGooner wrote: "when we were winning trophies, we won with players that most of us hadnt really heard of until they joined arsenal (where were henry, bergkamp, pirez, edu, cole and others before they joined arsenal - they werent smashing the headlines across the football world were they?).." For someone that is very fond of telling others they don't know what they're talking about you've just proven what a clue-less pilchard you really are!! Henry was a World Cup Winner and already at Juventus; Bergkamp (and I still can't believe you included him in your list, dodgy as it was in the first place) was an internationally known talent long before he signed for Arsenal; Pires had won the 2000 Euro's, and Edu - much as I liked him - was a squad player and nothing more throughout most of his time at Arsenal. So alas the above, like most of the stuff you write, is nothing but a piece of rambling nonsense!!

  23. Stevesam

    Dec 11, 2011, 18:41 #15872

    Renoog - George Graham won the League with Arsenal as a player and Manager. Frank McLintock was the inspiration and leader when we won our first trophy for sixteen years when when won the Fairs Cup in 1969/70, I was in Brussels and at Highbury when McLintock lifted the trophy, a night never to be forgotten by any Gooner who was there. It was followed by the double the next season. Dennis Bergkamp was our first World Class signing and influenced all the players who played with him, in my opinion the best player I have seen in an Arsenal shirt, after more than fity years following the team home and away. I am not saying that the three picked are wrong, but where do you stop and I believe that others have also changed the destiny of the club and desrve equal credit.

  24. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Dec 11, 2011, 17:29 #15870

    Why oh why is Howard Webb such a total baldy bollockbag?

  25. Canadagooner

    Dec 11, 2011, 17:19 #15869

    how about writing an article one day about how RVP owes arsenal? did we not pay his wages all those years he was sitting at home watching telly with an injury? he's been here 7 years, only his first busy season. spend less time telling us he's leaving in the summer, and more time telling him why he should repay some of the loyalty wenger and arsenal showed him all those 7 years.

  26. Jimmy

    Dec 11, 2011, 17:10 #15868

    Still can't manage an article without including something negative can you Kevin? How do you know RVP is leaving in the summer? Is that from the same source who told you we'd signed Jagielka and Cahill in the summer? I hope so.

  27. Naldo Morelli

    Dec 11, 2011, 17:06 #15867

    Kevin, Desite a fantastic run the negative undertone always exists in your articles, the assumption of RVP's departure in the summer plays into the hands of the 'Daily Mail' style tabloid bull**** that we've had to put up with over the years. I thought I was a pessimist!

  28. Canadagooner

    Dec 11, 2011, 17:02 #15866

    Give that man (RVP) a statue. but hey: slag off the fellow that brought him in (wenger) and when everyone on this site said how injury-prone RVP is and how stupid wenger was for not selling him and getting some money to buy someone else...... i wonder what arsenal would have won without henry's 200+ goals? - hey: give henry a statue. but what an idiot, useless manager wenger is: did he not find the right role for henry and believe in him? what a bunch of folks we have on this website! amazing isnt it? sometimes i just cant help wondering how and why people think negative comments without any commonsense, is what this site needs? is it?

  29. Dave

    Dec 11, 2011, 16:55 #15865

    I've got a Russian friend, too, mate. And he told me that Arshavin gets destroyed in the Russian media because he wont work hard for the team.

  30. Canadagooner

    Dec 11, 2011, 16:47 #15864

    a lot of peopleon this site are in cuckoo or la-la land: i have been going to arsenal matches since 1981 and i dont know when arsenal gods. we have had seasons where we played very good football, but we were pushed all the way - we have never been like chelsea under mourinho where you knew from the first day of the season where the trophy was going to end up. we profited from those years when there were really only 2 teams in the premiership (us and man utd) - now that the billionaires have come in (blackburn won in 1995 after a quick cash injection) to chelsea and man city and spurs, liverpool are spending quite a bit, we're up against it: what do you expect? so, all the negative, pessimistic drivel on here about why wenger must go and all that simply puzzles me - since 1981 i havent seen an arsenal side play much better than what wenger has produced in his 15 years at arsenal - so, what the heck are you all complaining about? which era did we have it better? (pre-1981?), settle yourselves down and face up to today's reality: support your team and see where we end up. spurs, liverpool, everton and several other clubs can only dream of what we've had so far. if you can point out a 15-year spell in arsenal's history where you went to the stadium and say better football or got better results than what we've seen in wenger's 15 years, i shall crawl back into my cardboard box and shut up

  31. Canadagooner

    Dec 11, 2011, 16:33 #15863

    Kev, for perhaps the first time ever on onlinegooner you've managed to lay the blame where it really should be laid (but not with venom, as we need those players to improve, not regress) - we always seem to molly-cuddle a set of players (Ramsay, Walcott recently) - is it a coincidence that they are british players? while typically, criticisms always seem to pile on arshavin (even if he only played for 5mins) and the other foreign players. The chances Ramsay have missed in the past 5 games are simply staggering and if you compare rvp's role to thierry's, then pirez is what we're missing and ramsay has not delivered. gervinho, ramsay and walcott need to watch videos of bergkamp, pirez and rvp to learn a little more about how to chip in with half-decent finishes now and again it also baffles me that folks here do not seem to realize that the supposedly cheap players we claim wenger buys are actually not that cheap: they earn tons per week and arsenal's wage bill isnt miles off what the big-spenders pay. what we lacked in the past trophyless seasons is experience i.e. buying young promising players where you can buy some more experienced ones for the same money. when we were winning trophies, we won with players that most of us hadnt really heard of until they joined arsenal (where were henry, bergkamp, pirez, edu, cole and others before they joined arsenal - they werent smashing the headlines across the football world were they?), so, why do we suddenly think arsenal now has to buy players we think could fit in because we know them (cahill, jagielka and several other names you're all so keen to throw into the hat)? the arsenal way of wenger's first few years (plus some experience: keown, parlor etc) is still the only viable way to go. so, if wenger brings in some unknowns in January, i dont have a problem with that, provided he also retains or buys 2 or 3 players over the age of 19! that blend of youthly, unknown players + a handful of experienced players is the right balance and that's what's been missing in the last 7 years (not a coincidence the beginning & stretch of our trophyless seasons coincides with the departure of keown, parlor and our 2 key experienced brazilians..) we can run around blaming the manager all we want, but the stark reality is that some of our players (all on hefty wages) really must learn how to stick the ball in the back of a GAPING goal!!!! come on you gooners!!!

  32. Renoog.

    Dec 11, 2011, 16:28 #15862

    "Where are the statues for George Graham, Frank McLintock and Dennis Bergkamp ? Where was the major shareholder, does he care ?" Stevesam, Herbert Chapman was picked because he was a visionary manager that turned Arsenal into a major competitive force. Tony Adams was picked because he was our most successful captain who captained the team to league titles in three different decades. Henry was picked because he is our record goalscorer and arguably our best ever player. As Ian Wright said, and I paraphrase, he has won everything there is to win in football, World Cup, European Cup, Champions League and domestic league titles and cups. The statue poses of Adams and Henry are from moments that true Gooners will remember forever. I was there when Adams scored that goal against Everton and I'll never forget it. The major shareholder probably doesn't know who Tony Adams is.

  33. JobyH

    Dec 11, 2011, 15:37 #15861

    I for one am getting tired of the same old drivel we are served up every week and feel that it's definitely time for a change at the top. Cue all the KKB's disagreeing but KEVIN WHITCHER needs to stand aside because he's ruining my beloved Gooner. All sounds very familiar doesn't it?

  34. divingrooney

    Dec 11, 2011, 14:57 #15860

    Why blame Wenger for Arshavin? He likes converting people to a role he thinks for them. He thought RVP, Henry were strikers, rest of the world didnt. Arshavin cannot, I repeat cannot play in the centre for Arsenal. No team can afford a sloppy passer in the middle. And Arhavin has a poor pass accuracy, and English refs hardly ever give a foul against him (not his fault but...), so we cannot play him in the middle. He can do a job on the left, and has had pretty good stats till last season. Now, his contract is running out, and his steam with it. He wants to leave Arsenal, and is just waiting for the day he is sold....Unfortunately so is Chamakh.

  35. Dan h

    Dec 11, 2011, 14:51 #15859

    RVP his goal gets better the more times you see it.We controlled the game the whole 90 minutes and a well deserved win.We missed a couple of gilt edged chances the first half no mention on here of Arteta who played some real passes of quality.Sitting in the clock end was also good to see he got several ovations from the Everton fans. With the lack of natural overlapping full backs due to injury that was a gritty win Everton really as an attacking force offered nothing yesterday so it was never going to be straightforward.

  36. Dave

    Dec 11, 2011, 14:15 #15858

    Anyone using the term AKB should be strung up by their testicles. More depression again from Kevin Whitcher. I suggest you give Samaratians a call, carrying that much emotional baggage around can't be helpful.

  37. denzil

    Dec 11, 2011, 14:06 #15857

    You cant win Kev you write a positive article yet the AKB's want you to say we played like Barcelona.Yesterdays game was a game of two halves.first half we dominated but wasted our chances 2nd half we were poor didnt create enough with Walcott and Gervinho disappearing.Why is Chamberlain not on the bench?he has to be better than Rosicky and the lazy Russian.Thankfully RVP scored a goal out of the blue.But still Everton came close in the last minute.Buts its the 3pts that count.Next week is the real big test.We could give them a game or get battered.No one knows.I would take a draw now.By the way i would try a bid for Baines Everton are cash strapped and we need a top class LB

  38. Stevesam

    Dec 11, 2011, 13:57 #15856

    Where are the statues for George Graham, Frank McLintock and Dennis Bergkamp ? Where was the major shareholder, does he care ?

  39. johnnyh

    Dec 11, 2011, 13:51 #15854

    we should have been out of sight at half time and a better side than everton may have made us pay dearly for it. van persie really does need help. fingers crossed we can shift chamakh and get in another striker in january. someone like lukas podolski preferably.

  40. Darryl.

    Dec 11, 2011, 13:38 #15853

    Who do you know that has told you RVP Is leaving next summer???? NA$RI left to play in europa league

  41. Terry

    Dec 11, 2011, 13:20 #15852

    Your comments rf. Arshavin are spot on. He's wasted his best years being played as a winger - when he should be playing in the hole behind the main striker. Maybe, this is why he looks so moody. Moody - but rich!

  42. Peter_Dublin

    Dec 11, 2011, 13:17 #15851

    James MacFarlane comment is spot-on. Unbelievable moan, on the day that Gunners celebrate 125 years AND, incredibly, slot into fourth place. I can't help feeling the writer wants Arsenal to go into free-fall so that Wenger leaves and is pissed off that its all going in the other direction.

  43. Andrew Cohen

    Dec 11, 2011, 12:32 #15850

    The (Chances / Score) ratio has always been poor under Wenger, ditto discipline. He can't learn and he won't get help. The really bonkers thing is that defensive solidity has been sacrificed for his attacking system, which isn't in fact that efficient. If we clean up the areas in which we are deficient then RVP has no reason not to stay, and we can go on and do well.

  44. Trevor

    Dec 11, 2011, 12:29 #15849

    A brillant goal by RVP papered over the cracks of a poor 2nd half.And our manager was going to bring on Arshavin and Rosicky to change things.Arshavin must have impressed him in Greece as he was on the bench instead of the Ox,unbeliveable.Sometimes you wonder what goes on in Wengers head.The clearout of dross in the summer wasnt enough we still need another cull of the deadwood.Can someone explain why we signed Park?With Chamakh on the way out i would say we need two new strikers not one brought in.And no we dont want Henry coming back that smacks of a commercial signing Mr Gazidis.Next week at City i would play Kos at RB and Miguel at LB.Djourou will get taken to the cleaners like he did in Greece if he plays RB

  45. Gooner Vin

    Dec 11, 2011, 12:22 #15848

    Don't understand the continued negativity and pessimism of your editorials. If you look at the chances we created again in the first half, you have to give Everton some credit to how they came back and defended and saves by Howard. Ramsey was very unfortunate not to score - had he done, that would have been an awesome, van Persie-esque goal. And it's not a foregone conclusion that van Persie will leave next Summer.

  46. Amos

    Dec 11, 2011, 12:10 #15847

    I suspect Bendtner, Denilson and Vela might feel that they've sacrificed their careers to Wenger rather than owe him anything. Good job we didn't choose to replace players like Sing and RvP or Walcott maybe with older and wiser heads too early. Song's game has got more than just better I'd suggest he's one of the top players in the PL in his role and as his age has the potential to develop even more. Good to see the Online Groaner is making observations and not moaning but it might now be worth taking a little trouble to check those observations. Ramsey's pass completion was 83% yesterday with 10 passes unsuccessful. Songs was 76% with 16 unsuccessful passes. In the PL this season Arteta's pass completion is 88.5% and Ramsey's 87.6%. Arshavins pass completion rate for Arsenal has barely ever crept much above 70%. If it's accuracy and consistency you're looking for then playing Arshavin in the hole is probably the last thing you should do. Who would be Ramsey's natural replacement? Depends a little on how quickly Wilshere recovers but Rosicky could play there in the meantime and far more effectively than the ill equipped Arshavin.

  47. Tim Leguna

    Dec 11, 2011, 12:09 #15846

    " Theo has an excellent game"? I must be watching someone else. He is very quick and is instinctive, unfortunately he has no football brain. Chamberlain is two footed, can beat people form a standing start(unlike Theo) and has the football nous that Theo lacks. You can't teach that. Cash in and give Chamberlain a run in the side.

  48. The Happening

    Dec 11, 2011, 12:02 #15845

    It must have been a special atmosphere @Emirates yesterday, full of heroes of yesteryore. How fitting that our truly last great 'hero' illuminated the evening with a reminder of what we're all about, or more to the point, what the Club 'used' to strive for, EXCELLENCE! I've never seen RVP play so consistently well, EVER! His motivation? Think back to Flamini, his last season? Or Fabregas? A sober performance from us, I agree the 'newbies' have actually added something which is clearly beneficial to our style of play now, for how many years did we piss about with project youth? couldn't we have kept Silva? Pires? They would have provided the guile which we now see yonks ago?? Wenger has been profligate, had too much power! His last season and also Robins'? I wouldn't bet against that! Give us a trophy or something for our 125th anniversaire guys, please?

  49. Wengkozy

    Dec 11, 2011, 11:49 #15844

    wenger is the stadium, the club, the effective owner given owners bow to him. he doesnt believe in coaching teams or 2nd opinions. he is lord and master of all he surveys so arshavin has no chance and theres no debate about anything

  50. Ray

    Dec 11, 2011, 11:30 #15843

    @RJ i have been told by a good source that RVP will go next summer.He is waiting to see if there is interest from Spain,he has seen what a great success Cesc has been and they have the same agent(wink wink),if not he will go to City.He wont stay at Arsenal when our policy every season is just to finish top 4.And lets be honest can anyone blame him?He wants to be at the business end of things when they hand out the big trophies

  51. Gooner 48

    Dec 11, 2011, 11:20 #15842

    Although I agree that Rambo was not at his best he also took a good few kickings against Everton(thanks Webb you ****) and was limping for quite a while at one point. Even though not at his best that turn and shot onto the roof of the net at the Clock End showed that form is temporary but class, which he has in abundance, is permanent. May I remind one and all that Aaron was out for a season and is not yet 21. He's got what it takes so lets be patient please, maybe he'll get a well earned rest if and when Jack comes back.

  52. RJ

    Dec 11, 2011, 11:18 #15841

    We are winning ugly. Gervinho, Theo - they have to come into form at some point. And when they do, with dare I say a solid defence, we will be a force to be reckoned with And please - less of the "when" Robin goes - no deal done yet - let's support our captain and remind him that we love him, and want him to stay. Cesc left for the club of his boyhood. Na$ri left for cash. There is a chance that RVP may stay with us for love, and not go for money - let's show him that that love is reciprocated.

  53. Old Timer

    Dec 11, 2011, 11:11 #15840

    I thought Theo had an excellent game. Pissed all over Baines the whole game and defended well when needed. His general play has improved immensely this season and would have looked even better yesterday if we'd got the ball to him quicker.

  54. Treble Double

    Dec 11, 2011, 11:10 #15839

    A fantastic goal from our fantastic captain. He is by far the best striker in Europe at the moment. Another good win which should have been more comfortable but at least we kept patience and when we needed a bit of magic, RVP delivered. I am convinced we will play a lot better next Sunday and have a sneaky feeling we will get something from that game. Great touch yesterday with a lot of legends presented to us before kick off. It does remind you what a great club we support, pure class and I agree that 1-0 to The Arsenal was a fitting scoreline. Onwards and upwards. Ooh to, ooh to be, ooh to be a Gooner!!

  55. Website Editor

    Dec 11, 2011, 11:08 #15838

    ok - guilty as charged on cameroon and song failing to make the ACN. whatever next? you'll be telling me man utd have been reduced to playing in the europa league or something...

  56. nigelw

    Dec 11, 2011, 11:06 #15837

    Why should anyone need to fill in for Song given that Cameroon haven't qualified. More time on the training ground please.

  57. Goonerdad

    Dec 11, 2011, 11:03 #15836

    Ha ha ha resorting to making things up to put a negative spin on things - class! Perhaps you should consider taking a break Kevin...you appear to be in a desperate negative downward spiral..............

  58. John

    Dec 11, 2011, 10:47 #15835

    Once again a win down to RVP.I am really getting fed up with Gervinho.He misses easy chances and disappears for long periods of the game.Greedybayor Mk2? Why wasnt Chamberlain on the bench.Yesterday both Feo and Gervinho were poor yet the only option was AA23 and Rosicky.With Chamakh off to the ANC(stop cheering) and Park who has been abducted by aliens we need a striker brought in in january but i am shocked by reports that it may be Henry.He is no longer a premiership player.And as we saw by Almunia on the bench we are two injuries to RVP and Sczcesny away from disaster.

  59. Arsenal

    Dec 11, 2011, 10:47 #15834

    On minor note, Song isnt going to african cup of nations, cameroon failed to qualify and yes that really is the only match up i'm rather scared of against the oil barons is djourou vs silva hopefully he does alright

  60. Goonergal

    Dec 11, 2011, 10:43 #15833

    Cannot argue with most of your comments, but one thing you do not need to worry about ~ Cameroon are not in the cup so Song's going nowhere, Frimpong may get called up for Ghana, Gervinho will be a loss and no-one will notice that Chamack has gone.

  61. James Macfarlane

    Dec 11, 2011, 10:29 #15832

    I am also concerned about Robin van Persie going to the African Cup of Nations too. I guess it's lucky that, just like Alex Song's Cameroon, the Netherlands won't be in the tournament either. Are things that desperate at Gooner Towers? There has been so little to be negative about since August that you have to make up things to be negative about?

  62. Don Froth

    Oct 06, 2011, 9:52 #13889

    he has had season's to sort out the defensive issue and he has'nt, however much he has previously achieved at our club, he has always been a bad judge when it has come to a keeper and defenders, the difference being in the past is he has not had to worry so much about defending because he has had such an array of attacking options, the days of them scoring two and us scoring three are long gone, mertesacker is another stepanovs, tommy v is always going to carry injuries, djourou.....well djourou, what can be said? The same goes for set pieces, they have been dire for his 15 seasons but he has'nt had to worry about them because, bergkamp, henry, reyes, hleb, nasri, cesc etc etc would score amazing goals from open play....and usually plenty of them. we are in for a long season.

  63. Munitionsman

    Oct 06, 2011, 8:29 #13886

    Why wait December. Get it done now. Wenger has had long enough

  64. Robert

    Oct 06, 2011, 7:59 #13884

    All your good points Simon are wiped out by your comment that you still like Wenger.And that all of a sudden he will change and spend money on quality players.You cannot still like Wenger.Everything that is wrong at our club is down to Wenger.You cant blame the board for our defence being unable to defend.As long as Wenger is a the club a top four finish will remain a distance dream.And you watch RVP Jack and Szczesny head for the exit door when we are in the Europa league.And our worse nightmare is 'Arry gets the England job and Carlo ends up at the Spuds while we still have Inspector Clueless in charge.Wenger must be removed and a new manager with a tactical brain brought in.Because Wenger WILL NOT change

  65. DubaiGooner

    Oct 06, 2011, 6:42 #13883

    Good point about our 2nd phase defensive frailties, the same could be said about our attacking play. How many times does the ball get cleared from a corner only to fall to a defender because we have nobody on the edge of the area? Just as cutting out 2nd phase, long range shots when we defend is important, so is exploiting this at the other end of the pitch. Other teams seem to learn and adapt during a match, why can't we?

  66. GoonerRon

    Oct 05, 2011, 21:47 #13879

    Some really astute tactical points there, Simon. The media harp on about how we concede proportionately the most goals from set pieces which, by definition, must mean we concede proportionately the fewest goals from open play - so we are doing something right. The second phase defending should absolutely be a source of focus. We are clearly in a bad place with no confidence but I do believe we can still achieve a top 4 finish, as I honestly think we will get out of our flux and push on - in my view our squad is as good as Spuds, Liverpool etc. The top three have depth of squads better than anyone else, but having watched most of Man U's games this year they could quite easily have conceded double, even treble the amount of goals they have - at some point they will get found out like we have.

  67. David

    Oct 05, 2011, 20:10 #13877

    We are not going down but we will not finish top 5.Because there are a lot of worse teams than us and there are 5 teams much better than us.If the Spuds win their game in hand they are 8pts ahead of us.Thats 3 wins.4th place is between the Spuds and Liverpool.The Spuds whether we like it or not are a better team than us,I know some are still living in denial but on sunday the evidence was there for all to see.Yes we has lots of possesion but which keeper had to make more saves?not Friedel.Nothing will change in the managerial department unless Kroenke sells to Usmanov.Kroneke loves Wenger.Not because he wins trophies but because he makes money.Usmanov is much richer than Abramovich just think if he was the owner we could get a top class manager,Ancelotti Hiddink or maybe even Mourinho who has tactics and would buy top class players not the likes of Arteta Santos and Meertesacker

  68. Seven Kings Gunner

    Oct 05, 2011, 19:20 #13874

    We are where are due to buying players who have no Premier League pedigree, you know who they are and each week they let the team, and us, the fans down. If you add up the monies spent we could have purchased a couple of world class players - instead we have players who are out on loan because we cannot give them away. Simon you highlight our lack of defending the second ball, it is not even up for debate, we are possibly the only team in all four divisions that does not work on closing down and denying space to the opposition. If you give any player from whatever division of professional football enough room he will hurt you - Shrewsbury anyone. The lack of any real defensive coaching and the absence of any leader on the pitch has made Arsenal a prize scalp for so many of the Premier Leagues "also rans" of which we have now become one ourself. Judging by the number of tickets available on general sale our supporters understand that what has happened to us has been self inflicted and are now showing their feelings by failing to attend matches.

  69. Dorset Gonner

    Oct 05, 2011, 19:05 #13873

    Couldn't agree more. From having one the best defences to having probably the worset in such a short space of time is a joke. Arsene really needs Bold or Keown to drill the back 5 the same way they were by drilled by GG. Even if this was just for set pieces I think it would make a dramatic difference. I don't think we could defend the GG way from open play as that would restrict the full backs bombing forward and totally chance our style of play, but come on Arsene even Fergie has chanced coaches and coaching methods over the years!!

  70. leo zis

    Oct 05, 2011, 16:33 #13871

    Really enjoyed your article...particularly because it is realistic and looks at issues both ways...am a bit sceptical on the "10 game" point as well, but agree with much of the rest. As Arsenal, we need to be realistic...we definately are not immune to getting relegated...it can happen, though, not with this current team. YES they have been pathetic but they will not go down, i think. HOWEVER, what maddens me is that WE ARE EVEN TALKING ABOUT RELEGATION FIGHT AND MIDDLE TABLE FINISH. MY GOD, has our team sunk to such lows already? A good manager (or BOARD) must always judge their current ability by their past achievements being surpassed by new achievements (not vice versa)...Is our current team worthy of sharing the same changing room with the INVINCIBLES..? If not, then as a Manager (or BOARD), you have reached your peak...plain and simple...Time to leave the job to someone else who can deliver new achievements!!!

  71. Matty S

    Oct 05, 2011, 16:27 #13870

    Disagree about Alex Dong, I think he's underrated. Otherwise agree wholeheartedly.No point sitting around moaning about how we not doing well. Even if we are relegated, I will still support Arsenal.

  72. thatsimonrose

    Oct 05, 2011, 15:58 #13868

    Some great comments. I'll reiterate some of mine. I still like Arsene Wenger, I still find him funny but at the same time I started to identify flaws 10 years ago, before a lot of the successes that followed. My eyes are always open. I retain hope and faith that Wenger will address the flaws, partly because I want him to, partly because I want to think that he will be the person to do it and partly because it would frankly be a lot easier and cheaper if he did, than sacking him & paying him off, paying up for a new management team and getting in a huge buying cycle. But if Wenger doesn't do address the flaws then if things got really bad - a definite relegation battle - then his position would be at risk. Media pressure would become very strong, more so than inside the club. It could tell, especially if fans got on it. Our defensive woes are known but I have noticed that we are dealing better with the first phase of defence but we appear to have no strategy for the second phase, the second ball. What gets me is that strategies exist, other clubs have them. Wenger though only does attack. As said by Gee, the strategy is 'keep possession'. But that is failing too.

  73. Mandy Dodd

    Oct 05, 2011, 15:43 #13866

    We will not go down, the club / manager will have to act in Jan if that looks likely but some very astute tactical points in this article. We do however need key players back, if they are not coming back in a hurry, we need signings and the defence has to improve. As we all know, these injuries are far too coastly and have been for years, I would like to think things are being done about it. Is a change in tempo an attempt to iron out chronic injury problems? Hopefully this is being worked on at haste If Wenger were not there, Ancelotti may well be a good replacement with Bould or Keown, but as I have said many times before, I do not think this board would spend the money required for CA. I also think that CAs recent putting himself forward for the hot seat, with Wenger wobbling will not go down with this board, they outwardly at least, appear very loyal to Wenger and may not take kindly to that.

  74. allybear

    Oct 05, 2011, 15:02 #13865

    Ron,agree about defending in general in the game. Teams dont seem to be as tight as they were and unfortunately Arsenal are worse than a lot! Sunderland will be very difficult as they are doing very bad&Bruce is under pressure.However teams like this can lift their game against Arsenal.Stoke will be a bruising game with lots of aerial balls and this will really test Mertesacker et all.Chelsea could murder us as they seem to be coming in to form.Would like to see Ancelotti&Keown asap,Wenger is past his sell by date.

  75. Harold

    Oct 05, 2011, 14:57 #13864

    How long do you want to wait for Wenger to turn it around? 3 thrown-away league titles in the last 4 years tells me enough already, times up.

  76. Ron

    Oct 05, 2011, 14:51 #13863

    tpm Youve clearly missed my other posts of late. Ill criticise the Board and Wenger with anybody on here and often do. Im merely saying that these players wont take us down. As to the other teams you mention, youre quite right, most are better than us at the present but i dont subscribe to the view that we have a divine right to be showhorned into the top 4 every year with a guarantee stamped on us. I well recall the mid 80s, mid 70s and even worse, the mid 60s for that. We re struggling. It happens. Maybe we shdt be struggling and there are sound reasons why we are. No question about that. You need to develop some perspective fella instead of talking like youve got a monopoly on the 'truth'.

  77. Ron

    Oct 05, 2011, 14:02 #13861

    Good comments about second phase defending. I meant to mention it in my earlier reply to your post Simon.Sorry. Great point, we are rubbish at it. On defending generally, while i see it live and appreciate all of the arguments about how poor we ve been for some years at it, i do sometimes think that people forget how poor the defending is in football these days across the whole game by and large. United were very ofganised last Season and Chelsea were very sound and solid a few years back and to a point still are. These are the only stand outs in recent times though. I see loads of 'free headers' being handed out (Ferdinand the other day to mention 1). Spurs defended poorly for our goal last Sunday too.Defending has been sacrificed for the attacking teams best interests to be served and also mainly to suit television in the modern games. Defending is chronic at times throughout the Premier League and abroad. It isnt just Arsenal, though we re the favourite whipping boys to hold up as an example. Im not defending us or Wenger, but it (defensive play) needs a little more perspective at times.

  78. dando

    Oct 05, 2011, 13:57 #13860

    Does our team have the bottle for a relegation battle because we will be in one very very soon? I wish I could say yes, but watching us lose game after game over the last 4-5 years because we haven't the bottle to go the extra yard and win the match that would lift the premiership, or the league cup, or beat united for a EC final spot, I have to say no. We have been in free fall since March and there are no signs we can stop this anytime soon. Could another manager get more out of our players than Wenger? I believe so, pity the board doesn't. Success on the pitch brings in the commercial revenue, failure on the pitch doesn't. When will the penny drop? Probably when we celebrate our 126th year as a Championship team

  79. tpm

    Oct 05, 2011, 13:51 #13859

    what a woeful comment from ron, its a fiar article, we wont get relegated and we are not as bad as those teams, but we are no better than those teams chasing 6th-10th, everton, stoke, villa, etc. thats the truly sad thing, but tarquins like you ron don't seem to care about that, and will blame everyhting accept the manager and board for such a demise.

  80. Mark from Ashtead

    Oct 05, 2011, 13:40 #13858

    Spot on Simon - couldn't have put any of this better myself (although I don't quite agree with your analysis of Ramsey as think he's been one of our better players - 2nd half display against Spurs notwithstanding - this season). We simply have to work harder when we don't have the ball. Arsene's approach simply doesn't focus on this, and I totally agree that there's probably a 30%+ improvement in performances and results if we get this right with the current crop of players. Stan Kronke's articulate defensive of Arsene was laudable, but you have to wonder how things will go if we get to Xmas and have no realistic top 4 finish ahead of us. We all know that without Champs League football the business model comes off the rails... I still believe that we have it in us to compete at the top of the table and for the cups, but agree that we need to see progress toward those ends asap. If Arsene won't instigate the changes necessary then his intransigence will inevitably make his position untenable, whatever Stan or the people in the media say. Let's hope Arsene can change his spots. He certainly needs to...

  81. Marco G

    Oct 05, 2011, 13:29 #13857

    I don't agree.At the 10 game mark we will have played Utd,Spurs and Chelsea all away only leaving City if you ignore Liverpool. I would see where we are at Christmas first before talking relegation. Still to even consider the r word shows how far we have fallen. I am not surprised however, the writing has been on the wall for 3 years in my opinion. In Arsene we trust, do me a favour!

  82. Gee

    Oct 05, 2011, 13:15 #13854

    Good post. I think that putting a confidence building run together is so much easier said than done. We have not won TWO premier league games in a row since the week before the CC final in Feb. Agree fully with your point regarding a tactical manager getting better out of this same group of players. Alot of them have been at the club from a young age, and have therefore got the majority of their footballing, tactical brain from the coaching staff at the club. Given that our defensive strategy is "keep posession", you can understand how pony we are without the ball. At least Ancelotti would give Ramsey, Song, Jenkinson, Frimpong, Coquelin, Wilshere, Gibbs, Walcott etc etc a defensive role, a role to play when we lose posession. In my opinion this is pretty much all we need to make a drastic imptovement. I'd prefer 4-4-2, but I'm not sure if we have the personnel nowadays. Particularly on the wings.

  83. TH

    Oct 05, 2011, 12:57 #13853

    Good article, not sure about the Song comment. He has been one of our better players IMO.

  84. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    Oct 05, 2011, 12:38 #13851

    Good post and kind of agree's to points I made in response to the last article. It's no good just going out and buying defenders (although it would help as the current bunch are no where near good enough). The whole ethos around defending has to change and that definatly involves our midfeild and attackers just as much, or maybe nore so, than the defenders. Ramsey never tracks runners. Who holds him responsable for that either on the pitch or from the sidelines? He's not the only one but springs to mind becuase of his display at the swamp. Defending needs work because if you can form a unit then the sum is so much greater than the parts. But we just seem to accept it. You mentioned shots from outside the area, watch Chelsea defend them and their players are running at the ball and throwing themselves at it to try to block it because guess what, top players can score from outside the area!!! Shock!! When Cesc tried to backheel the ball on the edge of our area in injury time away at Barca, Messi scores and everyone shrugs and stares at the floor. A team of winners would have absolutley slaughtered him. He could have been killed by the likes of Adams and Keown. What happens? Nothing, all the players simply walked back to the half way line. Players coming back from injuries won't make a difference becuase by the time they are back we will have other injuries as the training and phyisical conditioning is so poor at the club. Anyone fancy a relegation battle with Chamakh or Park up front when RVP is out for a couple of months?

  85. au revoir wenger

    Oct 05, 2011, 12:14 #13848

    You say Wenger is at fault for all our flaws and failing to address them but you still retain faith in him .why?

  86. JER

    Oct 05, 2011, 12:07 #13847

    Interesting point about so called 'wonder goals'. Perhaps more importantly we rarely score that type of goal now. Cesc and Arshavin have scored a couple each in recent seasons but I'm struggling to recall many more. Our long range shooting is very poor and obviously discouraged in training - you must pass if there is a teammate in a better position is the instruction I believe.

  87. Kevin Taylor

    Oct 05, 2011, 11:35 #13843

    I agree largely with the supposition and the ten game rule... but: our first ten games contain four matches against our supposed top six rivals, three of those away. Our next ten matches contain only one fixture against the top six rivals - again away. Therefore, it is 20 matches in before we have a balance in our fixtures between the contenders and the rest of the league. Of course we knew this before the season started and didn't address it sufficiently but that is another story. Nevertheless, our first ten matches do not represent a good balance in terms of contenders vs others - and it is our second ten matches that will determine whether we are in the top or bottom half of the table.

  88. Ron

    Oct 05, 2011, 11:22 #13841

    There is no magic 10 games thing, either at the top or the bottom. Why did Hull and Blackpool (to mention but 2 egs) perish from their so called impending 'strong seasons'?How come Wolves stayed up last Season and Bham went down? If you truly think Arsenal are as poor as your Wolves, Wigans, WBA s et al, its a sad day for you. We arent going down.

  89. CD

    Oct 05, 2011, 11:03 #13837

    You have changed your tune Simon, in your last article you were talking about keeping pace with Liverpool/Spuds for a top 4 finish! As I recall I commented then that I thought you were dreaming. Instead I said we should now be more interested in what teams like Blackburn, Norwich, Swansea etc are doing, because I don't think it will take a further 3 games to find out if we are in a relegation battle or not! I believe we are already in one, so far has Wenger been allowed to let us fall from grace. For the record no I don't think we will go down, but I do think a bottom half finish is on the horizon unless we change the manager. Your sentence "we need to address how we defend" is stating the bleeding obvious, but with Wenger at the helm their is zero chance of that ever happening, which is why I believe we are in a relegation battle already. He simply does not see what's staring him in the face, and even now like your last article is talking about finishing fourth, so delusional has he become, and hence what chance do we have of putting up a backs to the wall type scrap needed to get us out of the mire, when the guy in charge is away with the fairies in cloud cuckoo land?

  90. GoonerGoal!

    Oct 05, 2011, 10:52 #13836

    Spot on about our failure to deal with the second phase of defending, which is basically about our lack of defensive organisation. I can just hear our players thinking "recovery runs/lines of recovery, what the hell are they"? Any good defensive-minded coach could inform them, but then we don't need a defensive coach, do we? As for the next three games, 4 points out of 9 over our next three games is probably just about where our expectations should be, even against Sunderland and Stoke at home, and that says much about the current state of our team. However, more troubling is what kind of defeat are we likely to suffer against Chelsea away? Forget Spurs, they are at best a Level 2 Premiership team, but another United-style mauling from a Level 1 outfit could have serious effects on our mentally fragile team on the run-in to Christmas.

  91. post rocky dave

    Oct 05, 2011, 10:42 #13835

    Scoring goals? Far fewer than we have since Wenger arrived.