Yossi’s Giant

Vital win at Villa



Yossi’s Giant

Benayoun: Cometh the moment…


As much as the loss at Eastlands on Sunday was anticipated, so was a victory at Vila Park. Aston Villa are a team in decline, having to sell their best players but – presumably for financial reasons – unable to replace them. The fact that they have employed a manager who got their neighbours relegated states the limits of their ambition.

However, Arsenal made hard work of the win. It can be filed as poor performance, great three points. Even the best of teams have off days, but winning on them is the sign of solidity, and Wenger’s team have been developing that since September. Victory against Alex McLeish’s side was key in continuing that good work. Perhaps the side were a little fatigued from Sunday’s exertions, although Villa also played on the same afternoon. It was ironic though, that the worst performance in the side came from Emmanuel Frimpong, who did appear against Manchester City. He was wasteful in possession and rash in the challenge, and it was no surprise to see him hauled off as the first substitution. His replacement Tomas Rosicky certainly improved his team’s ability to keep the ball for long periods, creating the pressure which ultimately led to the goal.

The debate before the game was whether Frimpong or Coquelin would start for the suspended Alex Song. In the event, both made the eleven, although Coquelin was at right back. He’s played there before, in the Carling Cup from memory, but early on Villa did fathom more than one chance from his flank. However, as the game wore on, the fill-in full back did improve. With hindsight, he might have done a better job in Song’s position, with Ignasi Miquel making up the numbers in defence.

Theo Walcott had another relatively quiet game. There were two decent chances, both spurned, but crucially, some great skill from the number 14 set up the penalty from which Robin Van Persie scored. That’s the thing about Walcott. He is guilty of a lot of waste, but can still make a critical impact in one moment, even if it’s the only thing he does all game. I guess there are some who might say you could say that of Dennis Bergkamp, although the Dutchman rarely wasted opportunities when they did come his way. And in truth, there is obviously no comparison.

The equalizer was sloppy, and the man at fault Vermaelen of all people. It was an example of the defence attempting possession football with a header across the backline when it simply wasn’t appropriate – Villa had been pressing hard since the second half got under way. Sometimes, you just have to concede a throw-in and regroup.

The goal lifted Villa and resulted in a good spell for the home team which the Gunners weathered, before regaining some control of the game. The corner from which they scored was the latest in a number they earned in the second half, and I was just thinking how little the corners had produced in the way of chances when up pops Yossi Benayoun to net the winner. And I would say it was just about deserved. With a run of matches against Wolves, QPR, Fulham and Swansea ahead, Arsenal must really be looking to take 12 points from 12 and push on.

Winning is a habit, and a good one for a football team to develop. Villa tried manfully, but lacked quality, and brains in the instance of the red-carded Alan Hutton, who obviously fancies Boxing Day at home with his feet up and slippers on. So I hope the ex-Spurs man enjoys his relaxing Christmas and I hope everyone reading this does too.

Festive Greetings to all…


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  1. Andrew Cohen

    Dec 26, 2011, 9:08 #16233

    JM, I don't think that winning the title is in the corporate department's business plan, which is entitled "keeping a steady or increasing income despite abject mediocrity". A good 3 points with our only competent defensive midfielder suspended. Just think about that. A £100 million wage bill and he can't acquire two or three competent defensive midfielders. Worse still he can't train anyone to do the job. When will we stop paying amateurs professional money, from our negligent manager on downwards?

  2. JM - LONDON

    Dec 23, 2011, 23:46 #16198

    'loss at Eastlands on Sunday was anticipated' - and thats just where we are right now!. Like many others, its taken me a few years to see it that way to?. Just why is it our club, with its 2 multi billionaire owners just cant compete with the big boys of the day?. Money!. I love the new team, they dont look like losing to anyone - good old Arsene! (except of course when we play the 2 teams above us heavily funded by rich media attention seeking owners)but when are we going to win the next title the way the way things are currently run a the club??.

  3. R Meade

    Dec 23, 2011, 23:19 #16197

    John the Gooner Chamakh puts in a shift? really! cant run gets knocked off the ball so easily it's embarrassing no skill whats so ever up there with the worst players ever to play for the club. Putting in a shift is the least any player should do it is not Chamakhs fault he is out his depth in the premiership any player in the lower divisions would put in a shift and be a lot more useful to us then Chamakh and a lot cheaper.

  4. John the Gooner

    Dec 23, 2011, 16:13 #16193

    Is in a bad mood with Santa as my Xmas wish of an earthquake at WHL didn't materialise last night, ah well socks again then. But a bit of good news on two fronts has emerged firstly that Le Boss is not interested in Wayne Bridge, phew what a relief and secondly Bacary Sagna has started running again after his ankle injury. I haven't posted on here for ages so I'd like to praise the players for knuckling down and getting us breathing down the necks of the teams in the top 4 and credit to Arsene as well. Seems getting some experience in the squad hasn't killed off as many youngsters as he had feared. Transfer window time is almost upon us again and I think it's best that Arshavin leaves the club as it's obvious to everyone that he can't be bothered anymore. How he even gets selected to be on the bench is a mystery but as he's probably one of the highest earners at the club I guess that would explain it.As for Chamakh I feel rather sorry for the lad as he is totally drained of confidence and needs a couple of goals at least but I guess his days are numbered and he will be on his way in the summer. But in his defence he ( Chamakh) does put a shift unlike AA the lazy git. Anyway that's all from me and all that's left for me to do is to wish Gooners everywhere a very Happy Xmas probably helped by vast amounts of alcohol and 6 points from 2 home games next week. Merry Xmas John the Gooner

  5. fozzy's mate

    Dec 23, 2011, 11:36 #16191

    Looking back I think sacker made a decision to risk a goal rather than a sending off. He will never be spectacular or make thrilling breaks like tommy v but will be steady and in position which ask any centre half is a major thing. Still don't understand why we gave away the first few games to save a few quid in the late rush when those lost points could make a huge difference. But more than that I am killed by the lack of ambition. The squad is creaking an unaided we risk another collapse.

  6. Peter Mountford

    Dec 23, 2011, 7:28 #16189

    to all the people who blame Mertesaaker for the villa equaliser, please try and show a little perception and realise that the man was on a yellow card, and if he'd have gone through with the challenge on Albrighton he would of been off, therefore we'd have been hard pushed to get a point in this game let alone all 3. I know some fans like their scapegoats, and once they have made a judgement on a player, they criticise them no matter what, but it really is helpful if a player is judged separately on each game over a long period of time, although I realise that this approach does take patience and a more reflective thought process which not every fan is capable of

  7. DW Thomas

    Dec 23, 2011, 3:35 #16188

    I find myself and others on here sounding like a broken record. But, I'll keep saying it (probably in vain) till changes are made. Wish we had Mata, Goetze, or someone who can break a defense down with footwork and passing. Nasri had the skills and Cesc was top class. We desperately need a player of high quality and vision to be our creative link between midfield and the front/wide men. Problem with Cesc was imo is that he was not a true, vocal leader. We need someone who can lead in training and in games and show the other players how it should be done. Sure, there are very few of these players in the world. Jack might be one, but we can't wait for his return. How many games will he be fully fit for anyway? Two top class additions (at least one in Jan.) and our injured returning will bring us back to where we should be, battling and challenging for silverware. Still say Rosicky should be ahead of Ramsey. Experience is everything these days. Ox must get some time or else Wenger is simply incomprehensible to me. How can the next big English player be given so little time and few matches is beyond us all. With Jack in the squad this year we probably would have been top four (or Mata!). And when rotation time comes we would be sitting pretty. I really don't think Wenger's philosophy has changed that much. But this season's early embarrassments has forced his hand in many ways. Give this team time, I guess. Yet, isn't that what Arsene has been saying for 7 seasons with what end product? To drop from 2nd to 4th? This time it might be from 4th or 5th to 6th or 7th. Can't believe I am typing these words about the Arsenal.

  8. Jeff

    Dec 23, 2011, 2:18 #16187

    Funny, I thought we won? Reading the comments on here, I had to watch again... Yep we won!

  9. Michael Preston

    Dec 23, 2011, 1:06 #16186

    It was all about possession. Ryan has it right: we missed Song. That's it: no more, no less.

  10. simon

    Dec 22, 2011, 23:44 #16184

    I was gutted after sunday and this was just the tonic I needed. We got Villa on the one good performance they've had in two months and at our weakest without Song and with a real infill at full back against a team that use the flanks and we got through due to old fashioned grit and a load of composure which is something we haven't seen in an arsenal team for what 7 years (he thinks pires winner against villa??) TV cost us the goal not the BFG, Frimpong's out of his depth, refs just will not give us the penalties we deserve and just how woeful does arshavin have to get before the OX gets a chance? Its just getting weird now. Am convinced he could have made a diff against both city and villa so just what wenger's thinking heaven only knows. Still what with the spuds and chavs drawing its made for a rapid improvement in my mood since the gloom of sunday night so happy christmas one and all.

  11. CanadaGooner

    Dec 22, 2011, 20:57 #16183

    These are the types of wins that will get us past Spurs as I'm sure they will drop some points today (hopefully all 3 points). The only dilemma is that I'm not entirely sure which of those 2 teams (chelsea or spurs) will be easier to catch. The remaining fixtures leads one to believe Chelsea have a slightly easier run of games and are starting to reach another gear, so eyes on spurs to begin slipping up I'm hoping Wenger can be more adventurous in January and we can get more balls in the box (we get a very high number of corner kicks due to our ball possession, but the goal return is so low and I just dont see either walcott or arshavin nodding in a lot from set-peices) and perhaps play benayoun more? Alex McCleish is such a hateful character and he makes Redknapp look decent (flopping from b'ham to villa like arry did down the south coast)

  12. Adrian Wagenaar

    Dec 22, 2011, 17:26 #16180

    I actually thought we did ok - some very poor performances but we had enough shape in our play to finish the game with a flurry of corners to win the game. I think Benny can do a good job for us and don't laugh but I would like to see him playing just off RVP I think he will get goals for us and he does seem to want to prove himself, I hope he is given a run when our ANC players are away.

  13. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 22, 2011, 17:03 #16179

    Fair piece ed we could argue who was at fault for the goal all night but possibly the header across the back line shows how confident they are with each other at the moment delighted for yossi walcott bergkamp comparison your right there's none. Theo has to be commended for the way he always stays on his feet when fouled i don't know if thats a good thing or not but one thing i do know is there's not another player in the premier league who would do it.Merry xmas to all from maguiresbridge.

  14. Gav Lee

    Dec 22, 2011, 16:57 #16178

    The BFG used his brain and stayed on the pitch after a poor header from TV. Sometimes you have to give the players credit for using a bit of common sense as there were 35 mins left at that moment . How many times would a defender pile in at get a 2nd yellow or even a straight red considering the BFGs position? I would say far more often than not and maybe now we can see why Germany have played him over 75 times.

  15. Peter Wain

    Dec 22, 2011, 16:12 #16177

    How any one can equate Walcott with Bergkamp is beyond me. One was world class and one clarly is only sporadically a good player

  16. Frank

    Dec 22, 2011, 16:00 #16176

    With both Theo and Gervinho so out of form it really does make you wonder what Chamberlain has to do to get a game.If he doesnt get a start v Wolves i think its time to think about loaning him out for the rest of the season.Sitting on his arse at his age is doing his progress no good.On last nights game the performance of Szczesny once again makes you question the wisdom of Wenger remember he picked the two clowns before him last season.

  17. CT Gooner

    Dec 22, 2011, 15:27 #16174

    I don't know why I expected us to win bigger, AV always play us tough! Buying into the hype a little I guess... Listen to your head man, this is the weakest squad Wenger has ever had IMO...

  18. Merse69

    Dec 22, 2011, 15:05 #16173

    A good win at a ground where it's never easy. You only have to slip a little below the standards WENGER has set and games like this are easily drawn or lost...

  19. Lee

    Dec 22, 2011, 14:04 #16172

    Totally disagree about the equaliser, the german was already on a yellow card and it was a silly header back towards our own goal from tommy v, and uncharacteristic! verms usually solid granted but cant be exempt from the odd criticism, i dont think he was particularly comfortable at left back last night to be honest? but on this occassion i couldnt blame the mertesacker

  20. chrisy boy

    Dec 22, 2011, 13:41 #16171

    have to agree with shropshire lad, benny, arteta, and roscicky, gave us something different towards the end of the game and that was expierance, all 3 are good honest pros and they all kept possesion well once we had gone in front, im not saying all 3 should play every game, but at times its expierance that counts, wouldnt mind a couple more of benny/arteta signings in january. A win is a win and if we can take maximum points in our next 4 games then that i think could see us a lot closer to 3rd place than 6th place which is currently held by the scousers who for me are the weakest team in the top 6. Come on you gunners !

  21. Gerry

    Dec 22, 2011, 13:41 #16170

    Awful performance, but a great win. Felt TV5 and Merts were both at fault for the goal and just add it to our collection of ways to hand the opposition goals on a plate video. Thought Arteta was motm along with Kos and showed how good a pro he is when all around him were passing to everything but an Arsenal shirt. Sure he no cesc but we'll never see anything like cesc again, but he is always shows to receive the ball and retain possession. Looking forward to seeing him and Jack in the same midfield! Walcot and Gerv need to get their finger out and the least said about Arshavin the better, get rid now. Merry xmas to all gooners and hopefully some success in 2012 if we can get shot of the deadwood and replace them with quality players who actually want to play for our great club.

  22. n53

    Dec 22, 2011, 13:08 #16169

    Ugh, even now, Arshavin got some sticks, who knows what for. Is it a joke? You guys are really strange. Wenger plays Gervinho _and_ Arshavin? Really, does he? Are you kidding me?

  23. Ron

    Dec 22, 2011, 12:10 #16168

    A 3rd gear win. A better outfit than Villa would have beaten us. Scratch team though and 3 pts and its points at Xmas that count. Rosicky did well when he came on. Theo W was well under par though. We have the chance now to harvest 9 pts from these xmas games and need to do it. Points not performances are all that count ow.

  24. Mandy Dodd

    Dec 22, 2011, 11:38 #16167

    Can hopefully clear up the subject of blame for the AV goal, TV himself tweeted thanking Yossi for bailing him out - see players tweets on official site. But TV can be forgiven! The value of the win exceeds the performance. Some of them looked very leggy against a team who at times seemed to raise themselves (their manager appears not to like us very much!), especially Ramsey and Gervinho, but not so surprising at this stage considering the injury and the fact it is G's first full season. I am sure, like a lot of others I would like to see Ox given a go, and more of Benny. Frimpong just needs games.

  25. will

    Dec 22, 2011, 10:57 #16166

    Seeing Arsenal win ugly is a new experience, but this team makes up in guts what they lack in class.What concerns me most is the front 3. Wally is too peripheral and Gervino too wasteful. We need a classy front man to partner RVP. On the evidence of the last 2 games, can the Ox be any worse.

  26. Ryan

    Dec 22, 2011, 10:56 #16165

    Kev their goal was down to a bad header by TV but what a feeble challenge by Mertesacker.To be brutally honest he bottled it.As others have said it was 3pts gained from a woeful performance.Song is not a great player but boy did we miss him.Frimpong looked so out of place it was untrue.Ramsey needs a rest.Gervinho does my head in,there is just no end product by him.Give the Ox a run out v Wolves.Still cant see us finishing top 4 unless we bring in at least 3 players in january and we all know that aint going to happen under Scrooge

  27. Stevesam

    Dec 22, 2011, 10:44 #16162

    I am amused by some of the comments today, I would suggest that if some people take the blinkers off and watch the game again they shall see what a massive contribution Mertesaker made to the result. When we were under pressure in the second half I would suggest that you check how many balls he cleared with his head. We are now a lot more solid defending corners and set plays due to the BFG's ability to attack the ball and organise the defence. This game would have been lost over the past few seasons due to lack of leadership at the back. Chesney and the BFG have made the difference this season. OK, he is not the quickest, but he reminds me of Steve Bould and he will get better.

  28. Alan

    Dec 22, 2011, 10:41 #16161

    Had to watch the game with Villa fans - have to say away support was brilliant! Ramsey looked knackered and gave the ball away to often, give him a rest and play Yossi in that position. Frimpong was ok for 30 minutes then became almost arrogant and casual in his movement and passing. He has the potential to be a great player bu someone needs to kick him up the arse - he ain't earned the right to play like that. Kos is different class! We need a few in January but we are doing much better than was predicted in August.

  29. chris dee

    Dec 22, 2011, 10:22 #16160

    Good win,we were solid (mostly). I like solid,it's better than being brilliant but flaky. I wish Arsene had incorporated a bit more solidness over the last few seasons.It doesn't mean we would have won the League or Champions League because we are two world class players short for that, but I'm sure we would have won a cup or two. Frimpong had better be careful,he's in danger of joining Bendtner and Emmanuel- Thomas who thought talent and giant sized ago is enough.Hopefully the club will sit him down and tell him that hard work on improving is just as important as talent.His first touch is awful which is a disaster for a midfield player,interesting to see how he developes.

  30. GoonerRon

    Dec 22, 2011, 10:10 #16159

    One of those games and performances that we wouldn't have taken 3 points from last season. As Kev rightly points out, the next 4 fixtures are ones we should be looking to win - the key thing is for Wenger to carefully rotate the squad so as not to disrupt us too much. Ramsey looks in dire need of a rest, possibly Arteta and Walcott look slightly jaded too so a lot of responsibility on Rosicky and Benayoun I'd think. Also, I would be surprised if RVP was rested against Wolves.

  31. Jekyll

    Dec 22, 2011, 10:07 #16158

    I think the defence are doing quite well considering the twin hindrances of having no full backs and not being coached. This team tries, albeit it is limited in talent. It does not have Wenger (anti) coaching stamped all over it. Wenger himself doesn't seem to feel the same way about this team, the way he comes across in interviews, he seems more detached as there are a lot of players now who don't owe their careers to him.

  32. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    Dec 22, 2011, 9:36 #16156

    Poor poor display but a great three points. RVP very isolated, the two wingers really aren't top class. Midfield over run by a poor Villa team. Rambo needs a break but no quality back up to come in. Think our defence is improving, although the goal was very sloopy. TV and the German should both had done better. Keeper top class again. I wish we had had this defence for the two years with Cesc and Nasri ahead of them. Kos must be the most improved player in the Prem this year. Four winnable games ahead then a tricky period so 12 pts a must for me. Please please please bring in some quality Arsene. Learn from the last four years and stop being a know all

  33. Stumpy Den

    Dec 22, 2011, 9:28 #16155

    I knew that this game was going to be a battle, Villa were not going to let us play our football. However I for thought we did OK, just, bit as Kev stated this is when teams need to show that sprit. We got the points, I dont care how we got them, we got them. HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL. COME ON YOU GUNNERS.

  34. Mike

    Dec 22, 2011, 9:27 #16154

    Mertesaker was already on a yellow card - he was indeed sold short by Vermalen but could not be too aggressive in doing anything about it otherwise he would have been red carded. Frimpong and Ramsey look out of their depth. Ramsey gives the ball away too much and wastes opportunities. No matter what people say, Theo always poses a threat, even if it is now and then. I believe the starting team should have been the same as it was when the game ended. Yossi and Rosicky to start, to bring in experience if nothing else

  35. Shropshire Lad

    Dec 22, 2011, 8:44 #16153

    Know I'm going to get stick but actually the midfield of Benny, Arteta and Rosicky made all the difference - wonder why that is, experience? Oh dear, that's not the party line, Project Youth is the way! But it's not is it, Frimpong - caught in the headlights, Ramsay - willing but so, so tired. Great players for the future but asked to do too much too soon. Does our glorious leader see it? No, he still plays Gervinho when he is out of his league and Arshavin who does not know what league it is! I agree with many on this site who say Wenger needs an assistant who supports him but also questions his stubborn adherence to a strategy and players that is clearly not working. It sure as he'll ain't Pat Rice, a loyal servant and all round good guy. It's someone who loves Arsenal, loves Wenger and, crucially, does not need the money or experience for the cv and therefore will have the ballsvto question Gods decision making. Answers on a postcard please (but not you Canadagooner - I'm still hunting you down!).

  36. Dan h

    Dec 22, 2011, 8:21 #16152

    Nice to pick up the points when playing so badly.With the home games coming up time to give Benayoun or Rosicky a start.Benayoun is a player i hope we keep good squad man experienced & fits in well with how we play.His contract situation is this season long loan but we have the option of taking on the last year of his contract from Chelsea minimal fee involved to me it's a deal we should take up.We certainly need to get a full back fit & soon better sides will expose the openings Villa had.Both cb's to blame for the goal short pass & Mertesacker could have been braver should have cleared it with his head imo.

  37. Robert Exley

    Dec 22, 2011, 8:12 #16151

    Excellent title!

  38. Mark

    Dec 22, 2011, 8:10 #16150

    i thought we were lucky. theo was weak again. glad we won but still think were the 6th best team this season

  39. Georgey

    Dec 22, 2011, 7:24 #16149

    thanks for the early post Kev but that was Mertesacker's fault for the goal- Albrighton was running near full pace and Verm. could either leave it and let Albrighton pick it up behind him or simply header to Motorslower, but he never asserts him self so we conceded an equalizer. All in all though, a good performance from the team and I think we're showing the kind of character which was so lacking last season- losing players like Fab and Nas have been good in a way because we're less about finesse and more about getting the job done now.

  40. Tony

    Dec 22, 2011, 7:22 #16148

    A win is a win but the performance was a stinker.Lets get things straight Villa are a poor team lacking confidence but we turned up thinking we could win without putting in the effort.Ramsey Frimpong Walcott and Gervinho had shockers.Walcott and Gervinho continuing their poor form.Heard a fan say last night Gervinho reminds him of the new Glenn Helder.Give Benayoun a run out instead of one of these two.He has a football brain unlike the other two.And i know the result went our way but Arshavin on in front of the Ox what a joke.Last night was a get out of jail

  41. mark

    Dec 22, 2011, 6:33 #16147

    It was a win but a shocking performance.Szczesny was our MOTM by a country mile.The midfield was awful,overun,misplaced passes galore.Frimpong was like a fish out of water.Grevinho is a dud.He may have looked good in France but he cant cut it in the Prem.And for the 2nd game running Feo went missing in action.I said at the start of the season we would finish 5th nothing i have seen so far has made me change my mind.We just have to strengthen in jan

  42. SAYWHAT?

    Dec 22, 2011, 6:29 #16146

    Kevin, the equalizer was NOT vermaelen's fault whatsoever - Mertesacker is a clutz- had it been the other way around Vermaelen would have dealt with it. He is such a liability it's untrue, another deadwood member already...

  43. kots

    Dec 22, 2011, 5:51 #16145

    allan hutton was ****. But that rvp yellow was robbery. How many times can we be denied penalty? Any ways ypnts in da bag.

  44. Simon

    Oct 20, 2011, 20:34 #14400

    I agree totally with the lazy journalism tag - journalists have to cover 20 premier league clubs and with the best will in the world they are not competent enough to have an accurate perspective on all of the clubs, so they resort to a homogenous summary of each club. However, even within this (paradoxically) the glaring discrepancies are staggering: one morning Talksport's Alan Brazil breakfast show had the journalist Chris Davis stating that Man Utd always make it 'squeaky bum time' for their fans during the group stage, but the nextday Neil 'passionate' Ashton stated that Man Utd lead the way in making qualification from the group stage look easy. Meanwhile Ian Mcgarry on 5Live referred to Arsenal as now being a selling club, because they sold Nasri - obviously keeping him for another year and then losing him for nothing made more sense. Journalists come up with some of the biggest baloney known to man, yet they do not have anyone to keep them in line when they do. However, they are quite happy to pounce on the slightest thing that they perceive as being out of line. They need to realsise their own limititations and not be so quick to be critical of others.

  45. Domhuaille MacMathghamhna

    Oct 20, 2011, 0:50 #14361

    Mark 12:16pm 19th Oct 2011....you are a perfect example of the blinkered, single-minded and ill-bred groaner that pretends to represent the ¨majority¨ of Gooners but, in actual fact, is isolated with that lot over at LeGrove. There is more than ample proof that 98% of our fans support AW and AFC,while legitimately questioning what has gone on since 2005. Your xenophobic, anatgonistic and constipated dislike of the ¨Frog¨ is pitiful and your cretinous statement that he doesn't support ¨English¨ values is the most spurious and stupid comment I have ever seen on any blog! If, as I suspect, you mean buying overhyped, underperforming, overpriced ¨English¨players and having AFC playing beautiful one touch continental Football rather than the boot the ball and smash the opponent style of Stoke, then you are right, he doesn't believe in that crap. If he refuses to play Sky or the tabloids' game ,more power to him as he definitely isn't their patsy like twitchy is. You're the moronic git and should hide under the rock you excreted out from like the pond-scum you resemble.

  46. Mandy dodd

    Oct 19, 2011, 23:16 #14359

    Hope they give us credit for a very good result. Whisper it quietly but we are flying high in a potentially difficult European group, think only real madrid have more points than us at this stage? Yes we are not through yet, and there is work to be done but I hope all will give due credit to the team, and our away fans

  47. Rocky RIP

    Oct 19, 2011, 15:28 #14349

    You could equally play Bingo with the '6 year trophy drought' comment. Certain journalists shoe-horn it into every article. James Olley in what is supposed to be a London paper (The ES) manages to squeeze it in every time, not matter how irrelevant to the subject. Everybody is made acutely aware of it. Yet, NOBODY mentions Liverpool's 'trophy drought'. Ever. 5 years and counting. AFC - last trophy FA Cup 2005 LFC - last trophy FA Cup 2006 Ask yourselves why.

  48. Jack The Gooner

    Oct 19, 2011, 15:05 #14348

    Interesting words but despite many of the comments on this board, I think the last few months have proved how bad our "loyal" fan base really is. There are idiots who love to split the bas into AKB's and GWO, which is just ridiculous, although this option is favoured by most of the contributors on this site. Generally, our fans lack passion, patience and knowledge of the game. When I go to the Emirates, I am still shocked but the venom and vitriol hurled at the players, and I wonder if any of the fools around me actually understand the game of football. Sadly this site has become a haven for the pub fans and plastics to air their ignorant views. I do not however, think all our fans are like this, those who understand football and love the game rather than partake in this tribal support are great but anyone who starts a comment or article with "i have been a gooner since i was 5 years old...blah, blah" is just a complete tool. Our away support is usually fantastic and I enjoy travelling with these boys but the rest are nigh on useless, I love Arsenal, but not the fans and if you think we have a good fan base then that simply highlights my point

  49. Mandy Dodd

    Oct 19, 2011, 13:58 #14338

    Mark, the reason the majority of the English press hates Wenger, yes he has as little to do with them as possible (contrast that to Arry and the treatment he receives, especially with certain legal issues possibly hanging over him), some support other teams and have their agendas, but mainly, Wenger put them in their place from day one, when he challenged them to print certain allegations they were questioning him over, they bottled it and some have been patiently waiting for his downfall. All covered in the Eds excellent book. The English media spout crap about a lot of issues, as Liverpool fans will testify and will likely soon be revealed in ministerial docs to be released, but with Wenger, in some cases it is personal and should be viewed as such.

  50. Costas

    Oct 19, 2011, 13:57 #14337

    7 years of winning nothing for Chelsea or Man City would mean 8 different managers, £400m spunked on new players and a half-filled Bridge/Etihad. Arsenal fans deserve credit for their 'stickability' through thick and (currently) very thin.

  51. Mark from Ashtead

    Oct 19, 2011, 13:43 #14336

    Good post from Cannon Lore, and also from Stumpy Den. The real fans i.e. Stumpy, me and others, love this club and that love will survive whatever we're going through at the moment. However, it doesn't mean that we don't have the right to criticise if that's what we want to do. More open and honest debate like this please.

  52. Stumpy Den

    Oct 19, 2011, 12:39 #14333

    Talking about the club in the press is not worth reading. I like many other Arsenal fans come from a family of Arsenal fans going back many years, 1940 onwards. Its in our blood our hearts.It makes up a lot of who I am. I would support this club through the good times and the bad, have done since 1966. The thing I have always felt everytime i go to a game is that WE ARE Arsenal, we are the the people who are there for years. Players come and go, some good some bad, managers come and go. We will always be here, either my grand father, father, son or grandson. WE ARE ARSENAL. COME ON YOU GUNNERS.

  53. Mark

    Oct 19, 2011, 12:16 #14332

    why be suprised the media would be against Wenger ? yes it is Wenger that they are against. He hates English values, he doesnt give the press or sky any added value which he is meant to and he is a total miserable negative lying git who saves his off the cuff remarks for the french press !! get rid of him and the media will come around.

  54. will

    Oct 19, 2011, 11:54 #14331

    The trouble is the constant moronic journalistic cliques like arsenal need to sign a marquee player or we need to pay higher wages or we haven't won a trophy for 6 years ( which other clubs have won anything meaningful bar man u and chelsea ? ) obscures the real debat eabout where we are.good post

  55. Ron

    Oct 19, 2011, 11:12 #14330

    Arsenal fans are in my view amongst the best in the Country, in Europe even. Yes, we have some boo boys who are in truth some of those who latched on to us after the Stadium move and there were some of those morons booing on Sunday too. Thankfully, the struggle and lack of success is gradually ridding the Club of that fraternity. Long may it continue.

  56. bunch

    Oct 19, 2011, 10:27 #14328

    There are noteworthy things to say about the fans right now: firstly the schism between pro and anti Wenger camps that has already and will continue to take form in arguments and "scuffles", secondly the empty but paid for seats. Official attendance on Sunday 60,078 (effectively a sell out) but visibly lots of empty seats. The Shrewsbury attendance was a noteworthy story as it was some 10k less than our lowest so far for a competitive game at the Grove, but credit wasn't given for selling so many for an unattractive game. The only empty but paid for seats would have been club level so the actual attendance must have been 40k -ish. Still not bad.

  57. Chris

    Oct 19, 2011, 10:26 #14327

    To be fair, I think it's sites like this one that do the most to protray Arsenal fans in the light you describe. Actually, there are elements of truth to the things that were said about Sunday - there was (surprisingly, I thought) more than a smattering of boo's at half time, for instance. And most of the comments about Wenger being mad etc all come from here! And from the make up of the crowd on Sunday, I don't think many of them had ever been to Highbury.

  58. aj

    Oct 19, 2011, 10:01 #14326

    I think most fans are sensitive about what the press say about their club.To be fair I think most commentators bend with the wind.When we were unbeaten we mainly got hugely praised.Of course there is always lots of rubbish spouted but it happens with all clubs.I have to admit the constant praise of David Moyes baffles me.