Objective Achieved

Online Ed: Lacklustre Arsenal overcome QPR



Objective Achieved

RVP: Got there in the end


On a day when three of the teams above Arsenal dropped unexpected points, it was a relief that the final match of 2011 should see three gained. Managers have complained that the Christmas period is too intense, and one wonders, after this performance, what kind of display we will see against Fulham tomorrow evening.

With QPR having gained just two draws from their previous six league fixtures, they were undoubtedly there for the taking, and however off the pace Arsenal looked at times, the home side still fashioned plenty of chances. However, this time it was not a case of an inspired keeper that kept the team at bay so much as their inability to find the target. And even Robin van Persie was not exempt in this. Such profligacy can be afforded against QPR, but it may undo the side as soon as the visit to Craven Cottage, to say nothing of the two legs against Milan to come in the Champions League.

It is certainly a reason to recruit Thierry Henry in the short term. Theo Walcott wears his number 14 shirt and his miss when one on one with the keeper during the second half finally put to bed the idea that he might be some kind of Michael Owen Mark II. His agent will be angling for a significant wage rise in the summer with the threat of moving on the player and the manager should take the opportunity to get shot of him. The stat that in 21 England games he has only scored in one tells you all you need to know.

At the back, I thought the defenders all played well, as did the keeper. Even Djourou had a half decent game, although you can mitigate that by looking at the quality of the opposition. Vermaelen’s removal from the fray was a concern, but I thought Coquelin performed tremendously when he came on, and I think he could do a job at left back for the short term based on this display. That’s one player I hope remains at the club and is worthy of more chances.

The midfield rarely ticked, and does look to need freshening up a bit. Jack Wilshere can’t come back too soon. Andrey Arshavin had his usual lazy performance and is for the most part a waste of space. The manager keeps playing him for reasons unknown, He did set up the winner, but it was a pass any player should have been able to make (although there were plenty of ones that went astray yesterday) and about the only thing he did before being replaced by Rosicky. Maybe Wenger is trying to put him in the shop window.

When Rosicky did come on, QPR had a bit of a spell and rather than tuck in, the Czech played Arshavin’s position, to no great effect. Arteta was screaming at him to assist his midfield more, but the 4-3-3 formation remained. Not an example of great tactical insight from M. Wenger there.

Still, the points are now in the bag and Robin van Persie can focus fully on the team rather than some spurious record. Thierry Henry may have been bought to give him a rest, but there is an argument to start both players with one replacing the soon to depart Gervinho as one of the three attackers. One imagines that, given some of the chances Arsenal did create against QPR, with Henry on the end of them, even with his pace now a memory, a few more might be converted.

Arsenal are in a real dogfight to make the top four, given Spurs’ improvement. You cannot dismiss Chelsea even with their recent drop in form. Liverpool may struggle to get results sometimes, but by all accounts, like Arsenal, they are creating chances but simply not finishing them. That can’t last forever.

Hopefully, the experience now at the club will ensure points rather than backheels are the priorities going forward. The team is more pragmatic than spectacular for the most part this season, but it’s what is required and I’m not complaining after the way they started the campaign.

Final thought – Aramand Traore looks a better player than he did when he left Arsenal. Does anyone think he might have been getting some more relevant coaching?

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  1. Bob

    Jan 02, 2012, 20:16 #16388

    Dave, Chris etc. Your attacks on Kevin are as wide of the mark as a Chamakh effort at goal. The performance at Fulham was as shocking as it gets, and more than justified the editor's pessimism. We are now about to enter a run of games against much tougher opponents than we have (on the whole) faced for some time. There is every reason for concern, especially if our rivals are likely to strengthen in the transfer market. I'm all for giving credit where it is due, and Kevin has recognised that a degree of pragmatism has crept back in to some recent displays. But the rot has been allowed to set in far too deeply, and only a change of manager and a new broom in time for next season can address this.

  2. barnetgooner

    Jan 02, 2012, 1:50 #16364

    Alright Walcott's miss was awful yesterday, but why quote his scoring record for England, who cares about that? 13 goals and 9 assists last season, 2 goals and 5 assists this season so far. Alright, not world beating, but a worthwhile contribution. As for people saying AOC is better than him already, nonsense... these same people will no doubt be slagging AOC off in 4 years when he hasn't lived up to the expectations they set themselves.

  3. Jonesey

    Jan 02, 2012, 0:43 #16363

    People are reluctant to give Wenger the benefit of the doubt these days because they've been irritated, confused and let-down by him and his team so many times in recent years, and there's still no real evidence that he's willing to compromise his famous ideals and principles in order to increase our chances of winning the trophies that matter. Yes the improvement since the August horror show has been steady but it felt like he was dragged kicking and screaming into the last day of the transfer window because of the globally-seen shame at old trafford, and that a narrower defeat would have seen him baulk at even the average prices of the average players that we bought. Henry's coming back for couple of months but we've brought ageing ex-players back on loan for the last 2 years and neither of those sticking plaster measures led to Wenger subsequently solving our lack of strength in depth in those areas. As long as people know that we have minimum £50m burning a hole in our pocket while we play the transfer market like we're Portsmouth, they'll be questions asked. And as long as we keep spending the last 20 mins of games desparately trying to scramble a win against the likes of Fulham, Wolves, Villa and QPR they'll be fans coming on here wondering why the manager keeps playing the same 2 or 3 players who keep letting him down when there are others on the bench that might, just might, be the difference between 4th place and 5th place come May.

  4. Nick

    Jan 01, 2012, 23:43 #16362

    Get off Kevin's back. Wenger was a legend, he isn't now. One simple fact. That lot down the road are above us with an average crowd 20,000 plus less than us and no CL money. They have in Van Der Vaart and Parker two players we could/should have got and are in the thick of the title race. Meanwhile we drop points at home to Wolves and Fulham. Also whilst I am not against bringing in Henry on loan Wenger says he is great cover for a couple of months. Then what? Oh yeh we get Chamach back, wow won't that be great. If Wenger really wants to make a statement then go spend £15 million on Podolski. AKB, AMG or any other faction must surely agree he would be a great signing. Finally please spare the nonsense that by being currently 4th Wenger is some sort of genius. Can I assume that is the same genius who presided over the only team in PL history to blow a 4 goal lead,lose a cup final to a team that got relegated, led us to 4th place in a two horse title race, our worst start for 56 years and our worse defeat for 115 years for which that alone should have got him sacked. Now if we make 4th place the pro Wenger camp will say what a great achievement it is. it isn't we should be going for the title. Finally please don't tell me we can't compete with the 2 Manc teams and Chelsea cause we have money but Wenger won't spend it and the Spuds are comepeting. We have no divine right to a trophy but with what we pay for ST we have every right to to expect to compete for them

  5. GoonerRon

    Jan 01, 2012, 23:00 #16361

    A fair assessment of the game but the final comment about Traore was an unnecessary snipe that are commonplace in your editorials. I've got a mare who is a Hoops fan and says he is a liability at the back and decent going forward - sounds pretty familiar despite this amazing coaching he is getting from QPR. With the results this weekend it just shows anything can happen - if we sign a defender as cover and a striker I won't discount us winning the title.

  6. Vino Deano

    Jan 01, 2012, 22:52 #16360

    I agree. Walcott is just too unreliable and should be sold if he doesn't improve. At his best he's world class, but its too intermittent both within a game and across the season. Perhaps Henry may help him like he did Adebayor.

  7. Canadagooner

    Jan 01, 2012, 22:03 #16359

    just watched the replays of the QPR game again and I really feel for Wenger: what more can you do as a manager? walcott's miss and gervinho's (ramsay's wasnt so clear cut) are simply unbelievable. if you cant score from such chances, what more can a manager do??? HENRY please show these blind mice how it's done my son!!

  8. DW Thomas

    Jan 01, 2012, 22:03 #16358

    Kev always gives a fair analysis, like it or not. No fan should be satisfied with 4th, but we did recover about as well as we could from the shambles that was August. Still Wenger must buy in Jan or we will struggle to stay top 4. And that in itself is simply not good enough. Wenger has said his dream is to make the club the best in the world. Then start acting like it. Replace Cesc, give RVP a top partner, and demand a solid defense each game with more clean sheets and maybe fans can be satisfied. Showing intent is the only thing that will convince this fan we r on a road to trophies again.

  9. Canadagooner

    Jan 01, 2012, 21:09 #16357

    finally: chris & tony keeble are not AKBs at all, perhaps kevin needs to separate a 'matchday feedback' from added opinions, as i think credit should be given when due, especially given the other results. however, where i do agree with kevin (but perhaps he should have had those views separate from the matchday feedback article above) is that our recent results would have been celebrated more if we hadnt had the horror start to the season or more importantly, if one could confidently state that we now have a team that can perfom through the rest of the season. sadly, we probably dont, and the dropped points against wolves underlines that. but only an idiot would disagree with tony & chris's argument that we should have more positive match feedback reports and give credit when due (and it was well due yesterday: we didnt play so well, but dug deep to secure the 3 points). well done arsenal. looking at the bigger picture, a lot more needs to be done and a few more players brought in, plus the ever elusive ambition and target to get the team somewhere, needs retoring, but those are much bigger debates and should be left out of matchday feedback, which should focus on what was achieved on a particular day. it's simply all too easy to stay negative and moan everytime, like that makes things better...

  10. Canadagooner

    Jan 01, 2012, 20:44 #16356

    probably you best match feedback so far Kevin. I still believe that Arsenal attempt to stave the hungry press off by declaring 16-matches into the season that the title is beyond us, isnt the best way to keep a bunch of under-achieving players going. We can now see Man City dropping a few more points and much as hindsight is 20-20, those dropped points against fulham and wolves could've come in handy. Looking forward though, henry back, a couple new defenders and some belief could get us going again @ Rob - NO WE HAVENT MADE 4th for the first time, we made 4th a few weeks back albeit for a day. With the start we had this season, hats off to the manager and team and hoping they dont throw in the towel at fulham, we're just 9points/3games behind and we will have our chances to play the teams ahead of us yet, but what's important is not dropping points against the other teams (seeing they're doing us all sorts of favours right now in beating our competitors). sod 4th place, let's push for 1st (even if unrealistic) and it'll make 4th easier to achieve. come on arsenal!!!!!

  11. Peter Wain

    Jan 01, 2012, 20:09 #16355

    I do not undrstand why Arshavin is in the first team squad let alone the first team. He is one of Wengers worst buys ever and should be shipped out this month and replaced y somebody with real quality.

  12. Andrew Cohen

    Jan 01, 2012, 19:50 #16354

    One wonders whether the AKB's giving their usual abuse to the editor were actually at the game. Our defence was solid because Koscielny and Vermalen were in it cleaning up any problems. Herman the German had a solid game. Djourou played well as did Vermalen's replacement. Further up the field things are less rosy. Our passing is not good. We have no strategy at corners. QPR tried the Steve Bould Trick once and completely wrong footed the defence. Why don't we do it? Theo made some good runs but the end product was mediocre, and he made the wrong choice/no choice when clean through. He needs coaching, and he may get it informally in the next two months. Gervinho would have been better replaced by one of our deceased ex-strikers. His performance was well beyond woeful. We look more solid defensively thank goodness but we desperately need a proper manager and proper coaching. Every new player who comes to our club briefly displays the benefit of traditional good habits. Arshavin has had it beaten out of him, and so has Gervinho, in record time. Vermalen will be sidelined for a month. That's one of the essential four gone with no replacement available. Let's hope that the new year brings no more injuries, the return of Wilshire and some inspiration from an old friend.

  13. Chris

    Jan 01, 2012, 19:24 #16353

    HowardL - given Kevin's previous posts around the time of he 8-2, a realistic response to the fact that Arsenal are back in the top four by the end of the year / halfway point of the sesasons would be to say "I hold my hands up - I got it completely wrong and Arsene has done a brilliant job hauling the team up the table. Clearly my insight was grossly gflawed and I do't know nearly as much about football as I thought and as I would like you to believe". But that won't happpen becuase anyone can post rubbish, reactionary opinions on the internet without being held accountable for it. Why should anyone take notice of the negativity Kevin is peddling now when his previous doses have been proven over time to be lacking in real insight?

  14. HowardL

    Jan 01, 2012, 19:12 #16352

    When our appalling run reached the nadir of an 8 (eight) goal thrashing, with nothing resembling a defence, how many of us could have contemplated 4th place by New Year's Day 2012? Relegation was more likely. Yet here we are: Manure and Chelski lost, even the Spuds dropped a point and the 'invincible' Citeh have just lost to Sunderland and failed to score in consecutive games against cannon fodder. If Robin and SzCz can avoid injury, with Jack to return in 3 weeks and TH14 back who can say what will happen? So, whilst everyone who has posted seems to me to have a valid point, why don't we just get behind the team? So let's be positive - crap miss Theo, but if you're a serious goalscorer work on that finishing (with Thierry) brilliant pass Andrey but we need that consistently, Arsene, you're not quite the deity we once thought you were, but well done for digging us out of the hole you dropped us into with your refusal to reinforce the squad. And Kev, just keep telling it as it is, I thought it was a pretty realistic overview, but in doing that you can't please everyone.

  15. Alastair Kerr

    Jan 01, 2012, 18:21 #16351

    Good article Kevin. The team have performed pretty well since our disasterous start to the season. However, I am not getting all excited about the prospect of a top 4 finish. Remember, we were told that the reason for leaving Highbury was to compete with the best in Europe - I read from that competing at the top of our league and having realistic ambitions of winning The Champions League. Wengers youth project has failed by and large and it is only the addition of some experienced players, notably Arteta that have helped turn the season around. Wenger needs to be active in the next 2 transfer windows - firstly to ship out the dross that are not good enough to represent our great club - Almunia, Denilson, Bendtner, Sqillaci etc, etc and secondly to bring in some real genuine quality players (and by all means continue to develop our own players too)Walcott in my opinion is an under acheiver- if he played as well as he talked he'd be a wonder bloke and we wouldn't need to consider bringing Henry back. The fact Wenger has is as much an inditement against Walcott, Arshavin , Chamakh and some South Korean bloke I think we bought in the summer.

  16. bigreddave

    Jan 01, 2012, 17:39 #16350

    Good article Kev, I genuinely can't understand why people are having a go about the article's "negativity" wake up people! We are scrapping away for a poxy 4th place finish just like last year and previous years, nothing is changing at arsenal it's just the same old tripe with the likes of arshavin, walnutt and rosicky to name a few fluffing chances and putting in rubbish performances week in week out. It's muppets who get behind these losers that are the problem with arsenal these days, scrapping for 4th place every year and winning no trophies is not good enough for a club of arsenal's stature it's as simple as that!

  17. What was the point in leaving high bury?

    Jan 01, 2012, 16:46 #16349

    Chris, what is Kev suppose to eat humble pie about? We are fourth, whoopey let's get the town hall booked. people also forget that this so called turn around was needed because of wenger completely ****ed the summer up yet again and buying very average players. as supporters we are so very easily pleased, no true big club would let this nonsense continue.

  18. Treble Double

    Jan 01, 2012, 15:27 #16348

    Given the start of the season to be in 4th place at the end of the calendar year is a small miracle. We were on a shocking run from the Carling Cup f*** up tp the defeat at the spuds. Along with that we endured a horrendous pre-season, so to be realistic challengers for a top 4 spot and still in the champions league is huge progress in a short space of time, so let's be thankful and all start to pull together as Gooners. Of course we all want to be challenging to win the title but at the moment we are nowhere near. That's how it goes sometimes. To all the snipers on this site, get real or f*** off, it is so boring reading your drivel. Constructive criticism is fine, but some of the posts on this forum are unbelievable!

  19. Dan h

    Jan 01, 2012, 15:19 #16347

    Another welcome 3 points.This time of year it really is about grinding out the results so job done yesterday.Szczesny's save from SWP was the pivitol moment going a goal behind it could have been another frustrating day.When i look at other GK's around we should really look after him we could have another Arsenal GK legend in the making.I wouldn't swap him for any other GK in the league love his attitude.Up to 4th real progress the side ended 2011 well lets hope we can get Wilshere & Sagna back & we will keep the upward curve going.The editor gets some stick but he calls it how he sees it if people want to just tow the party line stick to the club website.IMO i enjoy a healthy debate this is a massive club & anyone that thinks settling for 4th is the limit of what our ambitions should be are actually more negative than those who make valid critism.

  20. Rob

    Jan 01, 2012, 15:10 #16346

    So at the half way stage - 19 games - we make 4th for the first time. Whether we are still there after 38 games remains to be seen. But one thing is clear, if RvP doesn't score few if any of the others look capable. I don't know if these Poldolski rumours are true. But he or someone like him had better arrive in this window or come February 1st van Persie get's injured and our season goes down the plug hole. Wenger well and truly fouled up the last transfer window - which is why he was justifiably criticised so much and some people would do well to remember that - so this one offers the opportunity to put matters right. Woe betide him and us, if he fails.

  21. Jimmy

    Jan 01, 2012, 14:52 #16345

    Honestly, some people read what they want to read. I've been critical of Kevin in the past, but would struggle to find much in this piece to pick him up on. It's an opinion piece not a match report. I actually thought Arshavin had a better game and worked harder than we've seen him in recent times, but not everyone I watched the game with agreed with me, so I'm not going to be arrogant enough to say that I'm right and everyone who disagrees with me must be wrong. It's subjective. Tend to agree that depite the early promise, Walcott is never going to develop into the top class player we might have hoped for, but I still think he's more effective than a lot of players in the PL and providing he doesn't ask for stupid money to sign a new contract, I'd probably persevere with him. Would still like to see him given a chance in the middle, as if he's presented with opportunities like he had yesterday more frequently, I think he'll start sticking them away with a higher ratio. That's what happened to Henry. Finally, with regards Traore, I'd suggets you have a chat with some QPR supporters Kevin before you say he's a better player. My boss is a season ticket holder at Loftus Road and moans about his positional sense all the time. Says that he's a speed merchant who might be useful on the wing, but as a defender he's a liability. Think we were saying the same thing about him 12 months or more ago.

  22. Jeff

    Jan 01, 2012, 14:41 #16344

    Tony Keeble & Chris, Very well said Sir's! The world has never erected a monument to a critic.

  23. Joe fitzpatrick

    Jan 01, 2012, 14:36 #16343

    I normally agree with 99.9% of what Mr. Whitcher writes because, like it or not the man clearly knows his football. The only point I would like to make is that there is definitely time for Walcott to improve his finishing given his age. If arsenal can afford to be starting with him RIGHT NOW is another matter entirely. I seem to remember Henry being a bit of a ropey finisher early on in his career too but, with the ox breathing down his neck Walcott needs to improve his finishing soon or face being dropped in favour of an even younger starlet.

  24. Mark

    Jan 01, 2012, 14:16 #16342

    the league position is admirable given everything thats gone on. but i do think the fixtures have been slightly kind to us and we aint playing well so i am still very cautious about second half of the season and really wish we would sign a couple top players in jan to bolster things up

  25. Jekyll

    Jan 01, 2012, 13:29 #16341

    I think Arshavin still plays because Wenger decided long ago that he would be the replacement for Gervinho once he goes to the ACN. Once a decision is made in Wenger's mind that is it, form and performance are irrelevant, that player plays for a very, very long time until utter calamity ensues. To Tony Keeble - if you want to just 'smile and enjoy it' why are you reading about Arsenal on the internet? What do you want to see, just a big smiley face in place of an article? If you believe there is no place for analysis, then just go off and don't analyse, you don't have to read it. And to Chris - what exactly have the team or Wenger achieved yet? Keep the pie in the oven, I'd say.

  26. jason

    Jan 01, 2012, 13:09 #16340

    Tony Keeble and Chris so you are happy with this season then? The question that needs to be asked over and over is where would we be if Wenger actually spent money on quality in the summer.We are scrapping for 4th place.Is that really the height of ambition for our once great club.Have we given up all hope of ever winning the title again?What do you want Kev to write?Wenger is doing a great job,Walcott is brilliant,Gervinho is the signing of the summer!!!

  27. Remi

    Jan 01, 2012, 13:09 #16339

    No balance. Read the first couple of paras of the post and started skim reading to see if there was some positives. There was some praise given out but the snide comments and condemnation made this a depressing article. There are times when criticism is required but not when you finish the year with a win and into 4th spot for the 1st time this season with the other half of the season to go.

  28. Dave

    Jan 01, 2012, 12:59 #16337

    There is a pattern emerging. Look back to Kevin's post after the Wolves game, now look at the one above. You'd struggle to say this article was written after a win. The eidtor now seems genuinely pleased whenever points are dropped. Perhaps because he believes it validates his (and others) rantings and ravings at the start of the season. Instead of having the decency to admit they were wrong they continue to beat the drum win, lose or draw. You talk as if you're some sort of sage Kevin, despite obviously having not spent even day in football management. Opinions are par for the course, but the way in which you present yours makes it look like you've got 3 Champions League trophies at the cabinet in your house. No surprise that people have stopped reading/buying the gooner. It might aswell be a Spud publication these days.

  29. Chris

    Jan 01, 2012, 12:47 #16336

    Tony Keeble is spot on. I think it is time for Kevin to come out and eat a HUGE piece of humble pie in public instead of coming out with this negative, snidey rubbish. I seem to remember Kevin saying after the ManUre debacle that Wenger and the team were finished and there was "no coming back from this - when you've watched as much football as me you can see that." Kevin - you are a legend in your own mind. Wenger is a Legend that will Live Forever. Time for some accountability from the Onlinegooner Keyboard Warrior.

  30. mark

    Jan 01, 2012, 12:30 #16335

    2012 will be the year of Walcott.No not as a footballer but as a sprinter in the Olympic 100m.Agree with you on the defence yesterday but if all the opposition have to offer is the hopeless Boothroyd i would expect anything else.I thought AA23 did well and his pass for the goal was brilliant.The midfield as against Wolves was poor.Can someone tell Song we play in red and white.One thing i dont like though is the acceptance among some Gooners that a 4th place finish is good.It isnt.4th is not the new 1st

  31. Roberto Carlos

    Jan 01, 2012, 12:13 #16334

    We all know in the summer Wenger will give Walnutt a massive wage rise while RVP ends up at pastures new.Nothing sums up Wengers bad management over the last 6 years than him rewarding average players with long term big money contracts.To all those who keep saying Walnutt is young he has been at the club 6 years that excuse no longer washes.Walnutt is nothing but hype.MOTM yesterday the great Szczesny.Arshavin showed his quality but our manager wont play him in his best postion

  32. Tony Keeble

    Jan 01, 2012, 11:49 #16333

    Do you ever think you will be able to produce one single article without making a snide comment? How about a bit of credit for a team that now finds itself in a top 4 position and the last 16 of the Champions League despite having our worst start to a season in most fans memories. How about a pat on the back for Arsene for this incredible turn around. You are sadly typical of what passes for a fan nowadays. I watched Blackburn fans boo Steve Keane when his side had just won 4-2 recently, unbelievable. What happened to the days when you enjoyed football and the camaraderie of being with your mates and being happy as f*ck when we won without analysing it to death? Do you ever enjoy it anymore because you were even moaning after the 5-3 at Chelsea?! Spurs drop points, Chelsea lose at home again, Utd suffer a humiliating home defeat and we get 3 points in the bag. SMILE AND ENJOY IT!!

  33. slj

    Jan 01, 2012, 11:10 #16332

    Arsenal.com, man of match Arshavin with 37% of votes, i had to check the date was Jan 1 not Apr 1,T.V. 0%, nuff said

  34. allybear

    Jan 01, 2012, 10:55 #16331

    Good to get 3 points even if not playing that well. Agree about Walcott,cant see why he is persisted with when its quite clear he is not the player AW thought he was. I still have concerns about Mertsacker as apart from being slow he is too easily caught out. Yes Traore looked good&he is certainly getting better coaching now. Anyway well done team and good 3 points.

  35. Mike

    Jan 01, 2012, 10:24 #16330

    Bah humbug - Although the performance was not convincing Arsenal are now fourth and have Spurs in site. This time yesterday, I was convinced that Man Utd would end the year on top and we would be fifth..wrong. Interesting fixtures coming up for the top four -points will be dropped

  36. Frank

    Jan 01, 2012, 10:17 #16329

    Without Arshavin Kev we would have drawn yesterday.His peach of a pass created our goal could you ever see the two planks on the wing Gervinho or Walcott play that pass?Walcott has been at the club 6 years now and has still to prove himself.I wouldnt be sad to see him go.In Chamberlain we have a player who even at 18 is a better option than Feo will ever be.I agree Coquelin looked very good when he came on,as a football player he is head and shoulders above Frimpong but guess who gets all the press?Yes twitter man

  37. harlow gooner

    Jan 01, 2012, 10:12 #16328

    Spot on kev. Regarding Walcott, the sad thing is, I can see Wenger putting him on big boy's money this summer. It's so illogical, its bound to happen. I'd like to know where Walcott and his agent think he's going to get a better gig than arsenal? Does he think Barcelona are weighing up a move for a physically and mentally fragile 3 goal a season one trick pony? Get rid. What did interest me yesterday was how arshavin drifted into the Dennis position and within 5 minutes had set up the goal. Of course, our tactical mastermind decided to seize the moment by subbing him another 5 mins after that, but it does make you wonder how different it may have turned out for the Russian if he had been given more of a chance doing what made us buy him in the first place. Whoever discovered koscielny though, could be due a Walcott style pay rise. I think in time we could be looking at one of the world's best defenders.

  38. thatsimonrose

    Nov 09, 2011, 9:18 #14896

    I don't get why anyone would think that 4th place is the limit of Arsenal's ambitions. It is the beginning of Arsenal's ambitions, the minimum. Champions League money is clearly vital. Of course Arsenal want to win the title but, with the resources of City United and Chelsea, merely 'wanting' to win the title is not that simple.

  39. GoonerGoal

    Nov 08, 2011, 23:27 #14892

    When 4th becomes the limit of our expectations then we can no longer consider ourselves a "big" club.

  40. HowardL

    Nov 07, 2011, 23:29 #14880

    Certainly a vast improvement and 4th is an acheivement with the comparative resource to City, United and Chelski. Saturday was very impressive with some delightful moves and a great goal by Arteta. However, it's a bit early to be THAT confident - surely?

  41. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 07, 2011, 15:27 #14872

    good piece simon enjoyed reading it would like to finish fourth or above with a cup thrown in.

  42. will

    Nov 07, 2011, 10:58 #14860

    Yes we are on a good run but relying on RVP to stay fit all season is crazy. What Wenger has been unable to do for a while now is to kick on from good runs, make a few astute additions and see where we get to. How long did it take him to sort out the goalkeeping problem and buy a decent centre half. This team is doing ok but it needs at least 2/3 more quality players. History says he won't buy so yes 4th is all there is to hope for. Completely understand the frustration

  43. boomergooner27

    Nov 07, 2011, 3:30 #14857

    So I guess I'm just the only person who thinks we can still take 1st. I'm sure eyes will roll and a battering will follow but I have to say I'm not convinced by City after some of their Champion's league performances and United's recent results show they're not as strong as they'd hoped. The bottom line is 12 points with 27 games left isn'tan impossible feat. Let's say we beat them in December; thats a 9 point gap with a transfer window to pick up another striker and/or winger along with the return of Super Jack. That's why I know Wenger is aiming for 4th. He's taking it a game at a time and games like QPR show City will drop points. Now, before you call me a foot, do know that I am aware of the likelihood of the stars aligning and allowing all of that to happen. My point, however, is that we cant just blame the manager. The slow start had a lot to do with the timing of the departures, which wasn't completely Wenger's fault, I can guarantee that. He's got us back on track after the 8-2 loss and in our current form I think we could take United at Old Trafford like City did. We've got 4 winnable matches leading up to the our second trip to manchester and I think we could be a lot closer to the top in January than a lot of people would have guessed.

  44. RJ

    Nov 06, 2011, 20:23 #14853

    Surely we have to set 4th as a MINIMUM expectation. I think what Simon has done is explain that it is on the cards. Ye, our hope is top, but really - against the money of City, that is not going to happen - unless we want a 200% price increase? It's a money game, my friends. Come on you Gooners.

  45. Jekyll

    Nov 06, 2011, 20:03 #14852

    @ canadagooner, it seems the jist of your argument is we should be grateful that the club competes for top 4 given that it doesn't spend the money it has. Do you want to think about that for a moment? Here are some basic facts: The executive of this club has sold the star players, made a massive profit in the transfer market and raised ticket prices. Yet the fans are 'ingrates' for expecting more than an attempt to finish 4th, yes?

  46. Fozzy's mate

    Nov 06, 2011, 17:13 #14845

    Simon your last comment is off the mark mate. What I want is us to have the ambition of winning the league or fail having used our resources. Not celebrate finishing 4th and increasing our gargantuan cash reserve. If we fall short so be it but when the limit of our ambition is 4th to me we have already failed. What the board have done is made us think 4th is a success when a few years ago it would have been considered total failure. Kronke and usmanov are rich enough for me not to care how much cash we have at bank or how high the share price is. I would rather we spent some of the 100 million + cash reserves (fact as reported in the accounts) and attempt to finish higher. Such ambition would accord with the worlds highest admission price

  47. thatsimonrose

    Nov 06, 2011, 13:46 #14837

    Some good comments. Some bizarre ones. Some people want to stick with the idea that everything's crap & others are rabid unless you say we will win the league. You can't keep everyone happy. I'm sure some people don't really want to be happy.

  48. Gman

    Nov 06, 2011, 11:06 #14830

    I think you’ve been taken in by Kroenke and Gazidis feeding us with b-lls--t and platitudes. Gazidis telling us that funds are available for every transfer window and then not strengthening the squad, as many of us can see that we would be seriously in the merde without RVP and aiming to finish 4th is a joke, the great Herbert Chapman would be turning in his grave at that!

  49. bunch

    Nov 06, 2011, 7:11 #14828

    I agree with Simon Rose's views here. Fourth is very do-able possibly more. An to be fair to him he didn't say that was a utopian success. As a club we have fallen a level from title contenders (until March anyway)to 4th place scrappers, but that is another debate. Practical reality of where we are has been summed up well by Mr Rose.

  50. win AFC

    Nov 06, 2011, 2:00 #14827

    A top four finish and Wenger keeps his job for life.

  51. CanadaGooner

    Nov 05, 2011, 22:36 #14826

    only a few weeks ago we were rubbing shoulders with the relegation dog-fight teams and every pundit was on about how arsenal shouldnt assume we couldnt get relegated. Now suddenly we're talking about 4th place not being good enough. Who cares about your predictions simon? better still, who cares about all the negative nonsense most of you post on here. Arsenal has moved from 17th to 3 points behind 4th, each game as it comes, let's keep winning and we'll see where we get to. Arsene is a shrewd manager and all he'll want now is to keep winning; drop few points and we'll finish where-ever that takes us. I'm sick and fedup of reading all your idiotic posts: you're not happy when we're 17th, you're not happy now we're 7th, you wont be happy with 4th and even when we win the premiership in future you wont be happy because we didnt do a treble! with the money we spend (or dont spend) we should be very grateful we're even being competitive, nevermind winning. ingrates!

  52. GoonerRon

    Nov 05, 2011, 22:32 #14825

    I'm not ruling anything out this season. A month ago people on here were saying we're in a relegation dog fight and would struggle to be in the tophalf by Christmas. Now we're on the coat tails of the top 3 so a lot can happen in a short time. Citeh go to Chelsea, Liverpool and entertain the bar codes in the next 4 games whilst we have a run of winnable games leading up to our trip to theirs. I honestly don't think it's all over yet.

  53. chrisy boy

    Nov 05, 2011, 19:18 #14824

    i agree with what a lot of you are saying, Arsenal football club should be going for the top spot and not 4th place, but whether we like it or not that is not going to be easy all the time with have citeh and the chavs spending money like they do, but there is a saying if you cant beat them join them, but i guess that is down to the board and mr usminov. Good result today , Liverpool are there for the taking and didnt king kenny quit last time the pressure got to much, Newcastle wont last the pace, next step is to catch the scum and the chavs which i think we can do.

  54. Mandy Dodd

    Nov 05, 2011, 13:42 #14822

    I do not think Wenger would even dream of claiming finishing 4th this year would be his finest achievement, however Geroge Graham made that very claim for Wenger at the start of the season

  55. Open your eyes

    Nov 05, 2011, 12:52 #14820

    What a crazy article Simon.This is the sort of rubbish which Wenger and Gazidis believe.To them 4th place is success.Lets order an open top bus to clebrate a 4th place finish for the 5th time in 7 years.And we keep hearing about us being a top club.Not with the ambition of finishing 4th we are not.Will ticket prices be reduced next season?Not a hope in hell

  56. Colin

    Nov 05, 2011, 12:27 #14817

    Simon so you are happy with another 4th place finish when we pay £115m in wages and charge the highest tickets in world football.That shows how far behind we have fallen behind.Personally i think we will finish 6th and Wenger should resign

  57. 1962er

    Nov 05, 2011, 12:21 #14816

    I think you are being overly optimistic about 4th place here. While I agree with your comments about Liverpool and Spurs, if RVP gets injured (when?) we are finished as an attacking force!

  58. Jekyll

    Nov 05, 2011, 11:35 #14815

    You may well be right, but there is a problem with challenging for 4th... it's boring. Yet Wenger will be lauded to the high heavens if we make it and he'll probably describe it as his 'greatest achievement'. Along with Gazza's tears, Sky Sports, player's wages etc, the whole 'top 4' thing has seriously damaged football as a sport.

  59. Harold

    Nov 05, 2011, 11:13 #14813

    Why do some Arsenal fans call tottenham 'spurs'? spurs is a nickname, a term of affection.

  60. hatfield red

    Nov 05, 2011, 10:34 #14812

    With the price we pay for tickets, i dont want to settle for 4th we should be challenging for the title. I agree with Fozzy's mate why are we settling for 4th; if we dont finish in the top four i hope my season ticket costs will be reduced -unlikely!

  61. Fozzy's mate

    Nov 05, 2011, 9:23 #14811

    Simon whilst I don't personally see us finishing 4th I find the whole thing depressing. You have along with many fallen into the clubs trap of making us agree with them that 4th place is utopia. It is their shang gri la to finish 4th and continue dough trousering. A lamentable and pathetic lack of ambition!