What it takes to win trophies

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What it takes to win trophies

Will his players deliver?


I’m not entirely sure what managers say to players in the dressing room these days or at the end of the season, but surely there has to be some form of performance review? Our players seem to have found this easy haven of excuses, where attention seems to focus on the manager at the end of the season and the players somehow get away with it.

We have four opportunities to win a trophy each season and there needs to be a strategy in place to secure at least one trophy each season. I look back at the last six seasons and it really is incredible to think Arsenal have gone so long without a single trophy. Surely, something needs to be said to these players? At the end of each season, Wenger has to carry the can, and although fans are quick to point out his mistakes and how he bought the wrong player(s), I find it really difficult to excuse the players, especially when you watch the replay of matches like this year’s Carling Cup final against Birmingham City.

A winning mentality can’t be taught on the training ground: we have a crop of players who feel very comfortable with winning nothing at the end of the season, while the manager has kept faith in a ‘youth shall grow’ policy that is indeed a very laudable approach to building/developing a team, but is very difficult to sustain in modern-day football, if the intent is indeed to end the season with some silverware. I think a three-year period is adequate to build a new team capable of winning trophies (as has been repeatedly demonstrated by Fergie). If nothing’s won after a three-year timespan, changes must be made. Some of the players must be offloaded and more experienced players added. That’s what we haven’t done efficiently in the past seven years, where we have held out for way too long in the hope that the group of players we have will be good enough to win something, and they have certainly had a few good chances

I was going through some articles and commentaries on Sky Sports today and must admit to a degree of satisfaction, reading some of the angry comments posted by Liverpool fans. I look at Liverpool FC and all I can see is the conclusive stupidity of a club who had it so good and decided to throw it all away. Benitez got to a League Cup final and then won the Champions League (something Arsenal’s been dreaming about for decades) but some of their fans felt he could do better. Several managers later, and after millions spent on players, they now wish they had Benitez, and a lot of the comments from Liverpool fans after their latest draw at home to a bottom-three club make say that they wish they had Benitez. Fortunately, at Arsenal we have a Board that will not be stupid enough to fire Wenger, but they should be ambitious enough to get Arsenal back on the right path by telling Wenger when to buy players and by funding such transactions. If Wenger refuses, then he should be set targets, which he must meet and, if he fails, he must be held accountable.

What the Premier League has clearly demonstrated in the past near-on 20 years is that consistency is the only key to sustained success. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Fergie and Manchester United have remained so successful over the years, even though they have also had to cope with some of the challenges faced by other clubs in the league: they spent millions when they had it, spent less when they didn’t, brought players through the ranks and when they had to buy experience they did (and sometimes in the shape of players over 33-years-old who came in and did the trick). Wenger could have been equally successful in his 15 years at Arsenal, but we have to acknowledge the fact that United didn’t have to build Old Trafford in that period and Arsenal has had to go from a 34,000-capacity stadium to a state-of-the-art 60,000-capacity stadium. Should we have mixed in economics with football to such an extent that success on the field had to be sacrificed so much? I don’t think so.

This season is not lost yet. It’s a shame we were eliminated from the Carling Cup, as I strongly believe that Arsenal’s way back to collecting trophies is to give our current group of players a taste for winning and they will want more, and the Carling Cup represents our most realistic chance of winning a trophy, sad as that may sound. However, with the way the top teams, with the exception of Man Utd, have been dropping points in recent weeks, if Wenger and the Board can rekindle their ambition and buy two or three more EXPERIENCED players in January (it’s never the best time to buy, but I’m sure there’s a handful of decent players available out there), we can still make a push for the Premiership, and the FA Cup should also present an opportunity for us to end this mindless drought.

It’s always interesting to read the news headlines: Chelsea dropped two points against Fulham and it was reported as follows: “Chelsea’s chances of winning the Premiership are further dented”, but when Arsenal had an identical draw at home against the same opposition, it was report as follows: “Arsenal’s chances of winning the Premiership are over”. Very interesting, isn’t it? It is, however, a little difficult not to see it from the media’s perspective, as we now have this unhealthy history of inability to mount an effective challenge. Let’s win our next four or five matches and see how the leading teams fare in that period. If only Wenger can revive our winning mentality and send out a team ready to respond to the challenges of winning trophies! If only……….

But trust me, fellow fans, this is no time even remotely to consider changing the manager, Wenger is still our best bet and, love him or hate him, we should all hope he’s less stubborn going forward and drops the isolated project-youth for a blend of youth and experience, sets targets for our players and gives them some clear direction and objectives: WIN A TROPHY this season and at least one trophy each season going forward. With the wages they get paid, I don’t think that’s asking too much of them!!!


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  1. bunch

    Jan 04, 2012, 12:01 #16531

    Your point about consistency of managers being the key to trophies doesn't stand up when you consider Chelsea have won trophies under three different managers since our last one. Even Spurs won a trophy under the short-lived Ramos. The "trophy" of a CL spot was always a cold comfort for trophy hungry fans and now even that crumb of consolation looks a tough ask. Wenger isn't a motivator, he won't push players to go beyond what they think is possible to win when the going gets tough. We now have some experienced players in the squad. Our only hope is that these guys are able to instil the mental fortitude required to keep winning when it is difficult. There were encouraging signs over the last two months, but Fulham away (Wolves at home and Fulham at home) shows that there is still a long way to go.

  2. Donthegooner

    Jan 04, 2012, 5:00 #16501

    Sorry Canada but I blame Wenger entirely for our lack of success again. Cast your mind back to the Summer, Wenger knew Fabregas was on his way to Barca and yet he did NOTHING to reinforce our midfield. Now take Man ure. They did their business as soon as the Summer window was open, He knew his keeper was retiring so he replaced him ( ok, he's a bit iffy)but at least he did something,we waited until the last day to do a bit of panic buying. Finishing fourth and getting Champions league is far,far more important to the Board than winning a trophy 'cos it's all about money and that is why they'll never sack Wenger.Why do you think we moved from a 38,000 seat stadium to a state of the art 60,000 seater? Answer: revenue. What we were led to believe is that with all this extra cash coming in the squad would be strengthened and we would attract the best players in the world to come and play for the Arsenal.But we all know the truth, don't we.....

  3. Mandy dodd

    Jan 03, 2012, 23:19 #16498

    Nugs,, I can only agree with you on song and jd, he was going to get one of them if it killed him. This ref does not like something about arsenal, I know this site does not like links, but Google. Wenger sent to old Trafford stands, and see that probert was severely criticised, and wenger received an apology. A bit of history. Then the fact that in the last three games, we have been denied several clear pens. Surely, you can look above your dislike or whatever it is of wenger and see a few things going on? Or maybe things even themselves out and the likes of utd, city and Chelsea get the odd run of five clear pens not given in three games. Sure it happens.

  4. nugs

    Jan 03, 2012, 19:56 #16478

    @mandy the only thing comical is your misguided faith in a man who has clearly had his time, funny everyone around me could see that djourou or song was gonna get sent off long before djourou actually was! take your wenger tinted glasses off and face facts, i suppose refs are to blame for our other defeats this season or for the dropped points at home to fulham and wolves or our short comings over the six previous seasons, comical indeed

  5. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 03, 2012, 14:38 #16459

    exellent piece canada gooner totally agree with we should have a board ambitious enough to get arsenal back on the right path by telling wenger when to buy and funding such transactions etc,etc,but have they got what it takes between their legs.

  6. Ron

    Jan 03, 2012, 10:28 #16434

    Mandy. Wise up girl. EVERY ref on that Prem list is bloody rubbish. ALL clubs moan about them and it isnt for nothing. Im ot sure if you go to games, but if you do, you should know the reffing is dire. Its the worst ive seen in decades at this point in time. Games have to be won DESPITE ref s these days and Arsenal had the chance to beat Fulham. That they didnt was all their fault. Theyre an average team, as are Fulham and these games will always go narrowly either way.

  7. Wombledin

    Jan 03, 2012, 7:49 #16416

    Just a bit more time, a little more faith. This club has become a walk towards a mirage on the horizon. We'll never win another trophy under Wenger except the annual 'trophy' of a top four finish. This season we'll be lucky to get even that.

  8. Fozzy's mate

    Jan 03, 2012, 7:44 #16415

    Mandy, whilst the ref gave us nothing, how long can you hide from the sad truth. How many times in the last 5 years have we seen that type of thing happen. Bereft of tactics laying back awaiting the inevitable. Last year at xmas we dropped vital points as Wenger rested his best players at Wigan. This year fatigue is cited as due to our paper thin squad and injuries we couldn't rotate. Most of our wins have been at home v the dross but of the last home games 4 are v the top 4. I see we are linked with Bridge and Keiran Richardson, rejects from the top sides. Are we run by Venkys?

  9. mad max

    Jan 03, 2012, 7:38 #16414

    great half time team talk arsene, right lads were in total control of the game so second half i want u 2 concede all possesion 2 fulham and then fall 2 pieces in the last 10 minutes we,re only the arsenal and my job,s as safe as houses. canada and mandy dodd u might think mr wenger is a genius,but the truth is he,s been constantly failing for a long time now. unable 2 alter tactics, unable 2 sign decent players,unable 2motivate the team,this dross has got 2 stop,the arsenal football club is far bigger than one mans failed pipe dream,if he had any decency he would have walked by now.

  10. Canadagooner

    Jan 03, 2012, 4:11 #16413

    a new manager wont get us anywhere. what we need is a group of players who want to win. i've seen wilshere's reaction when we lose a game (compare that to djourou, walcott or gervinho and you can clearly see why we have a big problem). if we're to go 7 seasons without a win atleast let's come out of it with some promise for the future i.e. players who want to play for arsenal to win something. right now we have 4 or 5 players of our squad of 25. the rest are a hopeless bunch of average, over-paid players with zero ambition. You dont need to be a genius to observe the attitude of those players, losing means nothing to them. wenger must be held accountable for their attitude and he can either get rid of these players or motivate them - this cant continue for much longer. Absolutely ridiculous!

  11. Whinger_OUT_NOW

    Jan 03, 2012, 3:55 #16412

    Wait..Whinger is NOT to blame. Oh no, siree. You see, it's all the referee's fault. Him and his mafia mates went into the dressing room at half time and warned Arsenal against registering a shot on goal in the second half. They also paid Whinger a visit and warned him to continue playing Djorou and asked him to give Djourou a contract extension at his earliest convenience Gazidis threatened to kill Whinger if Diaby wasn't given a contract extension last year @ 60k/week. 6 years, 109 appearances (18 games an average every year), 20 goals and 10 assists is a RICH investment so Gazidis found it imperative to force Whinger to tie down Diaby to Arsenal for ever. Also, Peter Hill-Idiot tied down a new contract for Whinger on the condition that he sign Park, Gervinho, Chamakh, give up on Enrique and pay more for Santos as also sign Squilacci. Petey also impressed upon Whinger the need to get Chelski rejects on loan as also ensure that no defensive coach was brought in, along with regularly picking the same old tried and tested losers No siree...it is always and forever always someone else's fault. It is never the 6.5 million/year man's fault. Oh well, cvan't really talk sense into the senile. AKB's like Canadagooner will always find someone else to blame but their Lord and God. It's not beyond them to blame opposition managers for winning trophies that rightfully belongs to His Majesty Lord Whinger

  12. CT Gooner

    Jan 03, 2012, 3:47 #16411

    Sorry about the timing of this, just watched the second half debacle at Craven Cottage, and checked out Sky Sports where AW is complaining about the ref. What absolute crap! How can we expect the players to take responsibility for their actions if their boss can't? If we knew the real reason David Dean left, we'd have a much better idea of why we're not winning trophies.

  13. win AFC

    Jan 03, 2012, 0:55 #16410

    @canada I don't always agree with all your comments, But this time you are spot on. Hopefuly we will win a trophy this season, It will be more than fantastic the reason being every Arsenal fan will want Wenger to stay, And RVP will stay for sure. GO GO GUNNERS

  14. R meade

    Jan 03, 2012, 0:44 #16409

    Canadagooner why on earth do you think we should beat Fulham anytime with our team? Van persie apart the rest that played would be average I'n the Fulham side and that's there standard they are not good enough for us, how you can keep blaming average players for average performances that's as good as your gonna get from them Wenger is to blame for buying crap year after year now that magic touch has long gone.

  15. Harold

    Jan 03, 2012, 0:44 #16408

    Felt sorry for Wenger watching his sky interview after the game. He looked bewildered + the interviewer ran rings around him just like fulham did around Arsenal in the second half. He was genuinely shocked this kind of result could happen despite recently watching us desperately trying to hold on to one goal leads against rubbish teams week after week, hence his rambling attempt (as i'm sure others will on here) to deflect attention from our woeful display by of course blaming the ref and defending the indefensible Djourou. So much for our new backbone, eh? Maybe our annual spring collapse is coming early this year.

  16. Highbury Boy

    Jan 03, 2012, 0:12 #16407

    Why is Wenger going to change policy now and buy experienced players to win a trophy? Coming 4th to him is better than winning the 2 domestic cups and this squad ,even with the addition of Thierry and a couple of additions is not good enough to get in the Top 4. Unfortunately Wenger is so involved with the finance side he presumably plays the out-of -form Arshavin v QPR to put him in the shop window to sell him to raise funds and he will probably give Theo an increased extended contract rather than risk losing him for nothing next year. This will then mean he has less money available for new players and he can only loan Walcott out a la Bendtner,Denilson and Vela as no club will want to pay a significant transfer fee plus high wages. I agree with David and others that someone has to be ruthless and get rid of Fabianski,Mannone,Squillaci,Rosicky Arshavi Almunia Chamakh Park etc and trim the wages bill to be able to afford new players. The ones mentioned are just not good enough to play in an Arsenal team if you expect to win trophies and they never will be good enough. End of.

  17. Greg71

    Jan 02, 2012, 23:14 #16406

    Oh Mandy a cheating biased ref !,no complaints with the 2nd yellow for one of our non defending defenders (straight reds at home never work for us do they,even when they may only be yellows ).Even with the penalty at nil nil,we had more than enough time to score more than one before the sending off,Dempsey and Dembele kept going for the whole game and looked better bets than what came off our bench,and some who started. Is Alex Song tired or just not good enough ? Yes we are back in the gloom and doom saloon,if you want good football with no expectation at the end of it i suggest you follow (no disrespect intended) swansea.

  18. Gooner1711

    Jan 02, 2012, 22:54 #16405

    We were only an RvP injury away or him not socring to plummet, take out his goals and no-one else will deliver. The same story as at the start of the season - accountability - by Wenger (who will stand up to him?) and the players (who Wenger will never berate). Nothing will change unless we stand up to him, the supporters and tell him enough is enough. As a question - would Europa league games be included in a Season Ticket? If they are, then see them returned in the thousands next summer.

  19. Rippy

    Jan 02, 2012, 22:54 #16404

    Simply gutted. Although to be honest 4th at best for arsenal is ****ing **** ain't it. Remember when we actually tried to win things. Already threw the game against city in the cup. Fa cup will be thrown next. Champions league at all costs. **** knows what will happen if we finish 5th this year and let's get real that ain't even certain. Strange squad this one. Some of the worst squad players I have ever seen at arsenal. But also some of the best youngsters too.

  20. Frank

    Jan 02, 2012, 22:36 #16403

    Wenger has created a team of spineless bottlers who crack under the slightest sign of pressure.Where are the TA's and PV's in this team.Too many average players happy enough to pick up easy money.Its like a holiday camp at London Conley.Nothing will change unless we get a new manager who will sweep the rubbish out the door.

  21. Mandy Dodd

    Jan 02, 2012, 22:34 #16402

    Nugs, take it the ref turned down two pens for them, wrongly sent off a player for them, I think you need to get away from your hatred of all things wenger and see what is really going on, that is what, five clear pens denied in the last three games? Take a closer look at the decisions we are getting these days. Do not let your hatred cloud reality. Ref was ****e for both teams, comical.

  22. William

    Jan 02, 2012, 22:25 #16401

    Wengers panic buys on deadline day:Mertesacker too slow for the premiership.**** in the air.Santos: Cant defend.Arteta: Jury still out doesnt dominate games.Benayoun:Below Ro****sky in the pecking order tells its own story.Park:Who? Now in january a semi retired Henry.Would you trust Wenger with your money?

  23. nugs

    Jan 02, 2012, 22:20 #16400

    Well they looked pretty average to me as they have done for the majority of this season bar the obvious 3 or 4 players, im not blaming them at the end of the day wengers buys these players and he fails to motivate them.

  24. Passcloud

    Jan 02, 2012, 22:15 #16399

    Dead wood comes from rotten environment. Stop blaming the subs when your first team cannot deliver. Why criticize chamakh when he is played no more often than 5 minutes per game? Why not ask the intelligent question why does Wenger stick to a predictable formation every game?

  25. Fozzy's mate

    Jan 02, 2012, 22:03 #16398

    2 points from 4 games V Fulham x 2, Wolves and Blackburn! Ok we beat a poor Chelsea side and scraped by a few other mediocre/poor teams. But coming into a tough few months at home and in europe with a paper thin creaking squad does anyone expect a positive outcome? Nothing will change until some ambition is injected into our smug self congratulating board. When our target is 4th and we have back up players like we do, it is hard to stir up any emotion at all. Like the board I am simply going through the motions. I don't even listen to Wenger anymore.

  26. Canadagooner

    Jan 02, 2012, 21:41 #16397

    @nugs: they werent average when they beat chelsea at stamford bridge were they? these are the same players who have dragged the team from relegation dog-fight to where they are now. the players we have should beat fulham anyday. we always get so ahead of ourselves: which players should arsenal have? (the ones that only play for money? or the ones who play for teams where they know they'll win something - and no, that's not arsenal). what we have is what we have, and they should be capable of beating fulham. they're just not focused enough and know they only need to win a few games seeing they couldnt care less about doing any better.

  27. nugs

    Jan 02, 2012, 21:28 #16396

    @mandy dodd pull your head out of wengers arse for ****s sake, yes the ref was **** but for both sides, we lost this game because of the average players we had on the pitch end of.

  28. Greg71

    Jan 02, 2012, 20:59 #16395

    Had a shudder when zomora decided to declare himself ready and able to play,wonder if the coaching staff prepare for whoever may play against us or even be as radical as changing formation/personnel to suit each specific game ? Felt Ramsey was let down by most,especially his more experienced midfield colleagues,what is it with song and playing at fulham ? Fourth is now the very best we can hope for,over to you Mr Wenger !

  29. Canadagooner

    Jan 02, 2012, 20:59 #16394

    cant see past the players: FICKLE. not at all surprised by this result, afterall Fulham almost beat us at the emirates. for those talking about wenger, dont waste your breath, not sure wenger can do a lot more than field players who should win against fulham and he did: if you look at their demeanor after the game you can see they werent even hurting at all. what does a trophy mean to Djorou? nothing. he's just a player who is surprised to be at a big club like arsenal and gets paid all that money (switzerland is hardly a footballing nation is it?), same applies to walcott and a lot of the players we have: gutless idiots. let's just hope the occasional lucky results like the one against QPR will be enough to get us through the season

  30. dartford gooner

    Jan 02, 2012, 20:50 #16393

    Oh dear, same old story at fulham. We miss chance after chance, we get a lead and then defend 10 yards to deep. Arsene might be the man to take us foward but at times i can't understand his subs ? what did rosicky give us when he came on? and i won't even mention the clown who came on at right back.I think coquelin did well out of position and koscielny was solid. The two wide men were just not good enough. If we don't buy in the window its the fa cup or nothing for us this year, i hope i am wrong

  31. Owen

    Jan 02, 2012, 20:34 #16392

    Wenger is tactically bankrupt.He plays two wingers who cant cross a ball between them.Droujou gets sent off and who does Wenger but at right back?good old Squillaci who set up Zamora with a perfect header.He wont sign the quality we eed in january.Its time Wenger resigned

  32. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Jan 02, 2012, 20:33 #16391

    From my last article on this website: Johann Djourou, on the other hand, hasn't even got the hang of playing centre-half properly yet, so playing him as a right-back seems ridiculous to me. We can only assume that Wenger rates Coquelin and Frimpong as worse options as emergency full-backs but I fail to see how they could have done any worse than the gormless-looking idiot that offers nothing going forward and constantly makes Swiss cheese out of our otherwise-improving defensive unit. On more than one occasion, Djourou's panic-stricken passes played our switching wide-men, Benayoun and Gervinho, into trouble and poor Johann looked more like a fish out of water than a ten-foot marlin flapping around on the deck of some huge Red and White fishing vessel. Until Sagna, Jenkinson, Gibbs and Santos return, Arsène is going to have to take a punt on either Coquelin or Frimpong as emergency right-back because this is not the first time that the hapless Djourou has put in a woeful display in that position." - why on earth can the man who developed Henry, Vieira, Anelka, Wilshere Fabregas among others not see that Djourou just isn't up to it?

  33. Mandy Dodd

    Jan 02, 2012, 20:31 #16390

    We were poor today, but not helped by a cheating , incompetent, biased ref who gave us absolutely nothing. Wenger is completely right to question the standard or some of our recent refs. Two pens , not given, constant fouls on rvp and gervinho, not given and nobody can claim jd deserved red. You could see he was desperate to get song off the pitch as well in the second half, the guy was wary of putting tackles in. We were tired, leggy and at times poor but, yet again, we are getting a very poor deal from some of the officials

  34. Joe Fitzpatrick.

    Jan 02, 2012, 20:19 #16389

    Like I told you he might, djourou cost us the game at Fulham. Yes you are right to be positive but Wenger needs to be held accountable for the performances of his failures as well as his superstars. allowing djourou, squillaci, almunia, fabianski, diaby, denilson, bendtner, cygan, stepanovs, grimandi, vivas, Jeffers, chamakh, inamoto among others to go unnoticed is criminal.

  35. Fozzys mate

    Jan 02, 2012, 19:53 #16387

    After a bright half hour which in the main was wasted by walcott and the forehead (what's new) we decide to sit back for an hour and await the inevitable. So where back to 5th again. Tactically clueless even jester Matt Le Tiss said the only thing that changed in the 2nd half was that for some reason we dropped deep. Squillacis set up for Zamora was reminiscent of Silvestre infamous 1-2 with Messi in the nou camp. Eventually when you sign cheap dross instead of quality you are exposed. The squad is paper thin as usual and we face a v tough mid Jan to late Feb. Nothing has or will change eith this supine dough trousering regime.

  36. JCL

    Jan 02, 2012, 19:27 #16386

    Just watched the fulham game. Ive had enough of Wenger. That sort of performance has gone on for year after year after year. Im furious. I dont think we put in a successful tackle for most of the second half. Too many substandard players kept on the books. Walcott and Gervinho are clueless. We've got to invest in good players, and really consider if we want to continue with Wenger's sameness year after year after year.(Im a supporter since 1968 by the way, not a johnny come lately.)

  37. Mark

    Jan 02, 2012, 19:21 #16385

    we were awful again tonight. i counted 12 mins before theo had a touch and he didnt bust a gut to get involved did he ? i still think its all a bit mediocre and not strong enough to get in the top 4 this time

  38. Canadagooner

    Jan 02, 2012, 18:39 #16384

    Fair comments everyone. Mike - thanks for the thoughts. Jonesey - YES, players do need to be told to win a trophy (Fergie does it, and i'm sure his haul of silverware is good enough to show for it): we all set goals each day we head off to work, simple as it may sound. that's what sets us apart from those who simply go to work to pass the day and earn their wage (others aspire and they get there). i'm not a motivational speaker but surely the first step to getting anything is working out what you want? for arsenal, it's been a new stadium and CL football for the past 6 seasons - perhaps changing those priorities now that we have the stadium and a bit to spend, is required + changing some of the players as some of them are incapable of changing from that top 4 mindset to the next level i'm watching the fulham match as we speak, and with another narrow 0 - 1 lead, unless a miracle occurs, we know how this one's gonna end (almost identical to gervinho's early goal against wolves). Come on arsenal!!!

  39. GoonerRon

    Jan 02, 2012, 17:25 #16383

    @Mike. I love your positivity but I just can't agree with you. I pretty much hate both Manc clubs but the fact is Rooney, Jones, Smalling (both of whom we tried to buy ourselves), Hernandez, Nani, Kompany, Yaya, Hart, Richards, Ageuro (to name a few) would enhance our squad.

  40. Dan h

    Jan 02, 2012, 17:13 #16382

    AW doesn't like being challenged on anything negative regarding his way of teambuilding.The mistakes of the last two transfer windows can't be glossed over.Forget the summer january was the time to add to what we had we may not have won a trophy but a couple of signings like Arteta & Mertersacker would have ensured we wouldn't have been in the CL playoffs.Why did we sign players so late in august?It's because they didn't want to spend before CL revenue was in the bag!The fans did make a difference this year the manager & the board had to buy after our humiliation at OT.Like @fozzy's mate i blame the board & AW in equal measure the wage bill is shocking.The frustrating thing is we are close to having a really good side top keeper who don't forget we nearly lost last year due to contract expiring & lack of opportunities.TV,Sagna,Wilshire,RVP top players good experience added in the summer.When you buy from a position of strength it sends out all the right messages.We havn't done that as a club we seem too tentative in the market settling for secondary transfer targets.It is a flawed policy it's not about worrying about who City etc buy we need to utilise our own resources far better.Look at the signing of Park was he signed on ability or to stir up interest in the far east clever those marketing people like Inamoto before him.The ambition has been about the profit sheet not the team sheet the balance needs redressing.

  41. John

    Jan 02, 2012, 14:14 #16381

    Wenger has to go for us to win trophies.We have some very good players in Szczesny TV Kos and of course RVP but we have some right dross in Djourou Song Gervinho and Feo.The signing of Henry shows the ambition of the club.Wenger aint gonna change ever so just count the days till his contract runs out and hope the Yank doesnt give him a new one.As others have said Arsenals priorities our to finish 4th and make profits.Still waiting for the club to spend the Greedybayor/Toure money

  42. Gee

    Jan 02, 2012, 13:11 #16380

    Very thought provoking article. My opinion is that we will not win another trophy under Wenger. This isn't becuase he isn't good enough but the fact that his focus is not actually winning trophies. He seems more concerned with style of play and development of players from rough diamonds to top class performers than winning trophies and titles. I would dearly love the man to win us something before his contract is up. However after this year if we don't win the FA cup it would be SEVEN trophyless years. The objective is really about continual appearances in the Champions League in order to maintain the steady revenue streams. This is needed until 2014 when we can renew shirt deals with emirates and nike. This will bring in £30m additional per year. This is the sad fact at the moment. Wenger has to deal very very tightly. We can all point to £50m in the bank etc etc but it would only take he 2 world class performers we crave to wipe that out. The problem lies in big earners that can't be shaken off like Almunia, Squillaci, Diaby, Bendtner maybe even Rosicky (although I think he has something to offer as a squad man). We just will not take the risk of spending big in case it doesn't work and we end up broke, 6th and lose all the top players

  43. Jonesey

    Jan 02, 2012, 12:29 #16379

    So the answer to our problems is for the manager to tell the players to win a trophy? Wow, the stuff of genius, I bet he hasn't thought of that! I'm sure if McLaren had just told Lewis Hamilton to drive faster, he'd have been Formula 1 World Champion this year. And you also reveal that 'consistency is the only key to sustained success'. Well thanks for that, surely you should be on £6m a year, not Wenger. Unfortunately, back on planet Earth, things aren't that simple. Nor is it the boards job to tell the manager 'when to buy players', that's what they pay Wenger his huge salary to do, as well as buying players with the neccessary spirit and desire to keep their nerve and not crumble when the pressure is on. The difficulty comes when you fill your team with young players and give many of them big wages before they've achieved anything, and then keep playing them when their form doesn't warrant it. It kills the hunger. But I don't see things changing, an experienced midfielder was only bought in a last minute scramble after the manager's 1st and 2nd choice much younger midfield options proved unobtainable. And I don't think it's a case of a lack of ambition either, it's just that Wenger truly, madly, deeply believes that Arsenal can win the Champions League or Premier League again doing things his way in today's football climate, and nobody's ever going to tell him any different.

  44. Nugs

    Jan 02, 2012, 12:09 #16378

    we will win nothing as long as wenger is in charge, as many have mentioned on here already he has clearly stated that he sees 4th as an achievement. funny the scum play in a stadium that holds nearly half of the bowl and have less money yet they are more capable of putting a title challenge together then we are! why did we move to the bowl? so we could challenge the best in europe? no so the main shareholders could make themselves more money and then name some bridges after themselves for a job well done.

  45. Mandy Dodd

    Jan 02, 2012, 12:07 #16377

    A lot of points I agree with here. I also think RVPs captaincy has helped instill a much better attitude in the team, maybe Pat Rice having a more direct coaching role with the defenders is helping too. Wengers youth project was born out of an ambition of his, and a financial climate with the stadium. But clearly, it cannot compete with a team able and willing to lose 450m on the playing staff in two seasons. It looks like the Cesc Nasri situations have changed a lot, we now have genuine Gooners in the team. Wenger had to put some things right, and it looks to be like he is doing so, as he says, we are starting a new cycle, but without Citehs money, this is not easily done overnight. A glance at the Swiss Rambler or any number of other sites shows we are a long way from a level playing field with rivals, yet despite this and all the turmoil, this team seems to be getting stronger. Also agree with the point on who the board would appoint if Wenger left.I would like to think Ivan does set targets and objectives, as well as giving Wenger the tools to achieve them, he has certainly hinted enough times he wants this sort of arrangement. If he is not being given it, the blame for any failings has to sit with SS

  46. divingrooney

    Jan 02, 2012, 12:01 #16376

    You allowed an article to AKB?? Ohh, suddenly struck me, this is the big build to further Wenger bashing if we fail against Fulham... Hope you fail, and Arsenal prevail.

  47. Reg

    Jan 02, 2012, 11:50 #16375

    The targets for Wenger are set "finish 4th and the money keeps coming in." Wenger does what the board asks and that's where the problems and lack of ambition start! It's compounded by Wenger pissing about in the domestic cups that frankly represent the only chance of winning anything. It's then difficult to change that ethos for the players and frankly the ones with better options are shipping out! If Wenger represented the playing side he'd be fighting this board or walk but he's been hand in glove with them for years.

  48. HowardL

    Jan 02, 2012, 10:55 #16374

    Jay - you liked this one from the Daily Mail this morning: "The most popular iten in Arsenals club shop this season has been a Robin Van Persie tea tray.....responsible for carrying 10 mugs. Sooo true, crap without him". Szczesny? Vermaelen? Koscielny? Sagna? Wilshere? The media love any opportunity to take the p*** with Arsenal - old habits die hard - and I think you fell right into this one. Not funny. We take the Arsenal seriously. The Mail can take a running jump. Sorry.

  49. will

    Jan 02, 2012, 10:26 #16373

    A confusing post. I am not quite sure what you're trying to say other than stating the bleeding obvious. The club that has underachieved through a combination of hesitancy in the transfer market, poor mental attitude and intransigence by the boss. The boss has needed help for a few seasons, a new number 2 and a more imaginative board would be a start. I have posted before the club has been on the slide for years now, that doesn't mean Wenger needs to go but it needs there to be a radical rethink of the way forward especially as we are now largely priced out of the market in terms of wages and transfer fees. I am all for hope but lets keep the big picture in mind. Liverpool's fall from grace was precisely because this failure.

  50. Fozzy's mate (aka Hillwoods treasure chest)

    Jan 02, 2012, 9:33 #16372

    Canada - after much soul searching I have come to the conclusion that with the current strategy Wenger is our best bet for silverware. However I think you are dreaming when you speak of us buying 2 or 3 experienced players in this window. We could have won R of the previous league titles by adding players at key times. The problem which will not change under this supine board is that the strategy of the club is not to win trophies. It is to finish 4th with the minimum outlay and maximum return. We will never no how much OGL buys into this but his redefinition of what a trophy is suggests maybe he does but who knows. I have always despised Hill Wood who is in my opinion an arrogant buffoon who has only taken from the club. On current evidence I place silent Stan in the same category. I do not absolve Wenger of blame as I think it has suited him to reduce pressure to win trophies by not attempting to strengthen enough until the old Trafford tipping point/debacle. Controversially I think others would do better than him under a boarf with any ambition. But under the current dough hungry cabinet a change would be a potential calamity as the new boss would be a hand picked chump so grateful to be in place he would simply take the flack from the fans and do the boards bidding. After a promising start Randy learner has become Kronke and Mcleias is the sort of appointment which I fear would be made should Wenger walk. So while not at all happy with no prospect of silverware (as per the current popular definition) I am now more careful what I wish for this new year.

  51. Jay

    Jan 02, 2012, 9:06 #16371

    I liked this one from the Daily Mail this morning. "The most popular iten in Arsenals club shop this season has been a Robin Van Persie tea tray.....responsible for carrying 10 mugs" Sooo true, crap without him

  52. vonMelonkampf

    Jan 02, 2012, 9:03 #16370

    Highbury held just over 38,000.

  53. Mike

    Jan 02, 2012, 9:03 #16369

    Canadagooner, I like your posts due to the positive spin you put on them whilst being critical at the same time. I don't agree with some of your comments but I can see where you are coming from. Most other editors on this site just tend to slag the team off. I sat and looked at the united squad the other day and said who would I like in the Arsenal squad - I came up with only one player - Vidic. The same with city - Silva. Apart from them I feel that they have no better players than us. The point being that it comes down to attitude and I think that has improved immensley. Arsenal have now strung a run of games together over the festive season that have garnered more points than any other team in hte league

  54. south africa gooner

    Jan 02, 2012, 8:08 #16368

    just give Wenger a little more time. He must however realise that things are changing fast in EPL. Too much money in a league clouds the whole ideology of naturing talent that identifies with th club. pay them and they will perform better.

  55. Anthony

    Jan 02, 2012, 8:00 #16367

    Well written and analysed.I feel that Wenger is too stubborn for the good of Arsenal and himself.We all know that he likes to play attacking soccer and unlikely to change his mantra.THE DEFEAT AGAINST THE RED FACED AND CHELSEA the last few years were too painful and yet he did not change his system.I believe the gunners have a reasonable chance of winning the FA cup provided the fm takes the necessary action. If no action is taken and the gunners fail to clinch the cl berth,he better take his attacking philosophy eleswhere.

  56. David

    Jan 02, 2012, 7:57 #16366

    Everything you wrote Canada is at odds with reality.Wenger doesnt want to win trophies.His aim is to finish top 4 which he has said himself that 4th is as good as winning a trophy.Things wont chance unless Wenger changes but he wont.He had all summer to bring in quality but ended up panic buying on deadline day.Now in january will will sigh Henry and maybe Bridge on loan.Is that the actions with a team with ambition.We have too much deadwood still at the club Almunia Fabianski Squillaci Diaby Arshavin Rosicky Chamakh and Park. No Wenger is in the comfort zone he knows he wont be sacked even when we finish outside the top 4 and behind the Spuds.As Gazidis said the only people who can get rid of Wenger is us the fans.