Transfer Policy

Arsenal are missing out on the players they need



Transfer Policy

Stadium move: Was it worth it?


I've been thinking a lot recently about our current transfer policy (or lack of one), and I have come to some conclusions. I started by thinking of how many players we have missed out on in recent years, either by offering less than was required or by being outbid, and I realised that this has been the case for a very long time now.

I remembered the joy of signing Charlie Nicholas and then realised I felt similar when we signed Aaron Ramsey. That joy was not just because of signing a good player, but because of our having beaten Man U (in Charlie's case, Liverpool as well) to their signatures, a joy that was born out of seeing us lose out to the top clubs, both here and abroad, on so many occasions. If you consider just the signings we missed out on this summer, then you'll see what a difference it would have made to our squad. Imagine, Gary Cahill and Phil Jones instead of Mertesacker, Djourou and Squillaci, or Mata instead of Gervinho. I think a top-four finish would have been the least we would expect if those signings had been made, instead of fourth being our only realistic goal. Unfortunately, once again we nickel-and-dimed and came up short. We made a derisory offer for Cahill and were almost certainly outbid on wages for Mata and Jones. The club’s current standpoint seems to be that the new UEFA rules will eventually put us all on the same playing field, but only a fool really believes this. Manchester City have already bent the rules to their advantage with the Etihad deal, and Chelsea and Man U will soon follow suit while we continue to toe the line and fall further behind.

The fallacy of moving to a new stadium to compete with Europe's elite has fallen flat, and our inability to attract top talent or keep our own talent at the club has shifted us from serious contenders to also-rans. No sane Arsenal fan could have viewed this season with anything except trepidation after Cesc & Na$ri left. The arrival of Jenkinson, Oxlade-Chamberlain (both of whom I like) and Gervinho (who needs to improve drastically) were never going to fill that void in the short term, and the deadline-day buys were like putting on a band-aid after severing a limb. They have stanched the bleeding a bit, but will not prevent terminal decline if major surgery does not follow.

Arsène seems to have lost his knack of picking up players on the fringes of the top clubs and turning them in to superstars. When was the last time we signed someone who excited you? I can't think of anyone since Marc Overmars (I know people will say TH14, Pires etc, but they were not stars when we bought them). We have been very unlucky again with injuries, but the truth is our squad is wafer-thin; of our eight main defenders only four are of the requisite standard, and none of those four is a genuine left-back. Sadly, Thomas Vermaelen is the best left-back at the club, but we cannot afford to play him there, as that means either Mertesacker or Djourou have to partner the impressive Koscielny.

I have just read that the club has again embarrassed itself by trying to get Kieran Richardson on loan! Why would Sunderland loan us a player that plays regularly for them??? This would have been a solid idea if our regular left-backs were of a high enough quality to make it worthwhile filling the gap until they return, but I think Santos is cover at best, and Gibbs is a total write-off, so a permanent solution is required (I'd take Baines, and Everton need the money). We have similar problems in midfield, where the goals of Pires and Ljungberg have never been replaced, and this has led to an over-reliance on our main striker to score the majority of our goals. This has come home to roost over Christmas, with Robin looking jaded and the profligacy of others meaning we missed out on a real chance to put pressure on the top three when they slipped up. Instead of the nine points required, we ended up with four, which is just not good enough. Walcott and Gervinho really need to find the net on a regular basis if we have any chance of making the top four or competing for trophies.

The team has done well to drag us back up the table after a disastrous start, and this has been helped by the deadline-day signings, but would any of them be playing if all of our players were fit? Would Arsène play Arteta (who has been solid) ahead of Song, Ramsey or Wilshere, or Mertesacker ahead of Koscielny or Vermaelen? As for the other two, Park and Benayoun have not started, even while we've been short. These players were brought in to bolster the squad after the departures of Bendtner, Denilson, Eboue etc, which is fine, but they will not take us, in the words of the club’s new motto, “Forward”.

The dream of making us a super club by moving to the new stadium will never be realised until we abandon our current wage-structure and reinvest the money that is relentlessly sucked from the fans, along with the outstanding transfer-budget, on marquee signings. This will convince RVP and our other star players to commit to the club. The bottom line is, if we really want Eden Hazard, we need to compete with Barça, Chelsea and whoever else covets his signature and, if we don't, I fear the glory days may never return. Let’s get back to where winning trophies takes the place of making a profit.


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  1. Whinger_OUT_NOW

    Jan 12, 2012, 1:31 #16788

    CanadaGooner, where are you getting your stats from, mate? At Lyon, Benzema scored 66 goals and and 18 assists in 150 odd games and this includes his youth days. That's still a higher ratio than Gervinho. Benzema also scored 20+ goals in a season twice with Lyon. Gervinho has never managed that. EVER. At Real, Benzema has so far scored 52 goals and 22 assists in 107 games and this season alone he has scored 17 goals and 9 assists so far in 26 games despite competing with the likes of Higuain and Ronaldo etc. Gervinho so far has 4 goals and 7 assists in 24 games this season. Seriously mate, why couldn't you have just googled instead of coming up with stats outta your arse? No offense.

  2. SouthCoastArsenal

    Jan 09, 2012, 16:43 #16702

    When our back 4 are fit, Wenger will play Meretsacker ahead of Koscielny. That is fact & sums up his defensive awareness

  3. CanadaGooner

    Jan 09, 2012, 16:22 #16701

    Benzema: at Lyon scored 43 goals in 112 appearances and so far at Real Madrid - 33 goals in 75 appearances. His goal-scoring rate at Lyon was less than 40% Gervinho: at Lille he scored 28 goals in 67 appearances and has so far scored 4 in 17 appearances for arsenal. his goal ratio at Lille was higher than benzema's at Lyon. I wont waste time going into goal-assists. So, yes, I dont see Benzema becoming a goal-scoring machine at arsenal, especially as he wont have the sort of service he already gets at real madrid. I dont have time to swap football knowledge credentials with you (whinger_out_now) or anyone else on onlinegooner as that is not the purpose of my using that site, so dont waste my time. In any case, football stats is readily available online and I'm sure we all have access to the internet, so, zip up your snide comments and focus on whatever it is you wish to say on onlinegooner. all the best

  4. Dave

    Jan 09, 2012, 10:10 #16684

    'They have stanched the bleeding a bit, but will not prevent terminal decline if major surgery does not follow' sums it all up perfectly.

  5. Fozzy's mate

    Jan 09, 2012, 7:51 #16678

    Come on Canada, you are in Mandy Dodd's world if you think Benzema would score the same amount of goals as Gervinho. Forehead is vintage Wenger post 2004, a player who does half what we needed but was half the price of what we sold the player he replaced. My prediction is RVP out for circa 30 million and a generous bid of around 8 million for Podolski who at that stage will have one year left at Cologne.

  6. Whinger_OUT_NOW

    Jan 09, 2012, 4:59 #16677

    Canadagooner, Benzema won't score any more goals than Gervinho, eh? That's a rich one. You seriously need to start reading up on the world of football outside of Wenger football. I won't talk about his stats that got Real to buy him in the first place. He's got 26 goals last season and 16 this season so far. And that's considering that Real have other goal scorers such as Higuain and Ronaldo etc. So, despite these players present and Benzema not seeing as much of the ball as he should obviously because it gets divided between the other Real goal scorers, he still managed so many. And at Arsenal Gervinho gets the ball constantly and how many has he managed so far? We have seen his finishing skills. No offense, but you keep making yourself look bad by saing things like Pep has done nothing special at Barca, Benzema and Geervinho are equal etc. Try to follow football outside of Wenger's world and you'll see the truth about Wenger's buys of the last few seasons vs. the players that real champions buy

  7. CanadaGooner

    Jan 08, 2012, 21:03 #16674

    well said Aaron, with the exception of benzema (he wont score any more goals than Gervinho). I think Gervinho will improve next season, particularly if RVP leave. part of the problem is that they have all become so reliant on RVP they always seek him out in the box other than give it a go themselves. Gervinho should be given more time (he plays his heart out - that's more than you can say for either chamakh or arshavin).

  8. Aaron

    Jan 08, 2012, 19:30 #16672

    Blackburn told Arsenal Phil Jones was ours for £10m last January but Wenger refused to pay it, only to be happy to pay £16.5m in the summer until Man Utd came in and we pulled out. I agree with the original poster we went head to head with United for Ramsey and won. Whilst a northerner like Jones is unlikely to choose us over United at least try. Giving up meekly does not save face it means we accept we play second fiddle to United. Gary Cahill was not worth it. Bolton turned down £12m from Tottenham and were adamant the price was £17m, now they'll have to take £10m less 5 months later, plus Cahill wants huge wages, we wouldn't pay Nasri £110k. We dithered all summer about selling Fabregas when we could have had Mata if we'd acted decisively, but the club didn't want to buy big before they had cash in the bank and we end up with a 2nd rate player in Gervinho. I hate to say it but van Persie is very unlikely to sign a new deal. If we sell him for £30m+ in the summer, who honestly thinks we'll go out and buy a top class striker for the same money like a Benzema? No chance, we'll get a cut price alternative for £10-15m

  9. CanadaGooner

    Jan 08, 2012, 19:14 #16670

    thanks Fozzy's mate - it's going to be a while before Arsenal can compete with city, utd and chelsea as we're now so far behind, but the good thing is that with all the money they've spent, city are now out of champions league, FA Cup and can still fail to win the league. what the money they've spent does guarantee is that they will most likely win something every season even if it's just the carling cup and europa and that is how a serious team develops, win something each season then try for the bigger trophies next time. once you fail to win anything and like arsenal, find it acceptable, your players get too comfortable and one trophyless season turns to two and then three..... on and on and you suddenly become a team that simply makes up the numbers. that's our current situation, but if for once Wenger comes out in public to say we are looking for a minimum of 1 trophy this season and the players have no place to hide. we can be competitive in the league by not losing to the fulhams and blackburns and not dropping points to wolves (we could have been on 40+ points by now) and lose to the top 4. then the next season we can bring in a few more experienced players and push from there. unfortunately, not sure stan, the board and wenger see it that way. but i guarantee you they soon will, when we fail to make the top 4 (and spurs, liverpool and the likes of newcastle begin to push us to the limit each season!!)

  10. Gman

    Jan 08, 2012, 18:25 #16669

    Had to laugh watching the Fulham game on MOTD when Wenger tried putting his hand in his coat pocket and kept missing it several times. That just sums up the clubs attitude to buying players that are blatantly needed instead of going down the Del-Boy-Trotter route and buying S---E like Sham-ack, Gervinho,Mertesacker, Djourou and Squillaci. Come on Stan put your hand in your pocket and get AW to buy quality!

  11. Fozzy's mate

    Jan 08, 2012, 16:56 #16668

    I accept the point but feel we are lurching toward the europa league and are not prepared to do anything about it. I agree the players are good enough to beat the poorer sides but apart from Wigan have made heavy weather of it even when they have won. The Chelsea game was a one off and I don't see us beating many of the better teams in the 2nd half of the season particularly if TV5 is injured for any material period. I just don't like the clubs stance but am now used to such a blatant lack of ambition. One thing we do agree on is that there is little point in ousting Wenger given the boards position.

  12. CanadaGooner

    Jan 08, 2012, 15:34 #16667

    @Fozzy's mate: what i'm saying is, the payers we currently have are good enough (regardless of all the nonsense people on here write about them) to beat blackburn, wolves and fulham but they didnt. buying players is a hit and miss enterprise as torres, carroll, berbatov, suarez and others have shown, people talk about shoring up our defence, but in actual fact we have only conceded as many goals as the current top 4 teams (if you take away the crazy 8 - 2 result at old trafford), so we simply havent been scoring enough and with the chances we create, you only have to look at walcott, gervinho and ramsay: gervinho's only been a season and ramsay will improve, so do we sell them? i think not! if we however look at the past 6 trophyless season, that's where i would agree with you that a lot could have been done in buying some of the players we've just bought (experienced players) and 'project youth' should have been suspended after our 3rd trophyless season and we would have had enough strength and experience to have won the carling cup against b'ham for instance. But as far as the current season goes, i dont see the logic in us wasting millions now as you wont get decent players in january and if we finish outside of the top 4 this season (which is looking likely unless a miracle occurs) then i dont think we'll need a crusade for the board silent stan and wenger to see they have no choice but to sort this mess out over summer and buy big! shame it will take a disastrous season to get them to their senses....

  13. fozzy's mate

    Jan 07, 2012, 23:11 #16664

    Mandy. The clubs you say have infinite resources don't. We have more resources than many of them. The difference is their owners choose to invest in the playing staff rather than trouser the profits or build up a cash reserve big enough for a eurozone bail out. Liverpools owners said they decided to make a large investment to close the gap between them and the top few as much as was possible in a short time. Personally I see nothing wrong with multi billionaire owners dipping in rather than taking out. You sound like Gazidis, in saying once the transfer fund is spent we must sell to buy. In recent years we have never spent waht we have brought in from player sales and so what do we do just build a gargantuan transfer fund because if we spend it, it has gone? And Canada gooner are you saying whatever players we buy we will still be 5th?

  14. Gunner2301

    Jan 07, 2012, 22:09 #16663

    I don't think this is old news this is current and relevant news. Many cite the rise of City and Chelsea as unexpected which is fair enough however considering we are at a financial disadvantage should Arsenal not be making every penny count even more so? We are a club if this is true that cannot afford bad buys or need to make a much quicker assessment of a players potential because we cannot afford to have them taking up a squad position or adding to the wage bill. The fact that Wenger has been getting away with this for so long is a crime. Someone mentioned Diaby 6 years. I actually think Djourou is the longest serving with 8. This fact alone that these types of players can get near the first team shows you how far the quality of the team has fallen. Wenger has overseen a spiralling wage bill that has increased despite the quality of the team diminishing. We cant even give some of our players away which really puts Wenger delusion of the value of his players into perspective. The market does not lie an the market is saying their not interested in Bendtner who Wenger gave 52k pw as third striker and it goes on and on. Overpay average players and neglect to pay your top players enough. This is Wengers doing nobody else's. We need him to leave so that we can start re-establishing ourselves again he has poisoned the Board to go along with his project of abject failure. Event those he has bribed with extortionate wages no longer subscribe to his deluded thinking. Since when do we sell our best players to our rivals? This has been a constant feature under Wenger. We even sold our players to City to help them overtake us in the league. That seems like treason to me? Yet all the time we complain about how expensive the market is but we are happy to benefit from it when selling our best players for twice as much as they are worth. Arsene needs to leave in 2014 and not sign another contract. We want our club back!

  15. Mandy Dodd

    Jan 07, 2012, 21:24 #16662

    A problem that Wenger has with his transfer war chest, it is finite, once it is gone, he will have to sell to raise funds so he does his best to spend wisely. City, Utd, Chelsea and it seems Liverpool have non ending resources, we do not. 50m could easily be blown on a couple players, who may or may not work out, in Chelsea's case, it was blown on only 1 player, who so far at least, has not worked out. If you choose to believe reports, we bid for several young players over the summer, including Mvila, Gotze and Hazard. IF you believe the reports, our bids were substantial, but the clubs refused to sell, what can Wenger do about that? On the subject of transfers, possibly worth keeping an eye on the Suarez (the Argentinian ver), a lot of rumours that we have made a bid...but, as ever, we shall see...

  16. CanadaGooner

    Jan 07, 2012, 20:04 #16661

    @Whinger_out_now - yes, the crop of available managers wont do much better then wenger given the situation at arsenal. you know it and i know it. the only difference is that you're willing to find out and some us us aint. i would rather see arsenal finish 4th while the club's structure is sorted out and if it means wenger moving up or out if he doesnt change, rather than a rash dismissal, which will only lead to disaster and i'm not sure if a club like arsenal can recover quickly enough. we continue to talk about how crap our players are, but the fact of the matter is - the same players have put on some good performances and guys like Kos have improved steadily. unfortunately, we've waited 6 years for a trophy and people are getting too impatient. if we have had 50million on torres, 35million on carroll, 25million on suarez and 17million on cahill we would still be in 5th place this season plus 127million worse off - what would you say then? you'll blame wenger!

  17. Wengernomics

    Jan 07, 2012, 19:43 #16659

    seems we cant agree that arsenal should clearly be spending more on better players. But surely we can agree that Rosicky, Diaby, Squillaci, Almunia, Arshavin have been rank bad buys and the part of the wage bill they occupy is an absolute waste of money and for those 6 i would rather have 2 top class players

  18. Dan h

    Jan 07, 2012, 19:23 #16658

    Again i will point out Henry,Vieira & Fabregas have all been on huge wages yes we can't match several clubs but to just say we can't compete is too easy an answer.If you have over £50m+ in the player trading account & choose not to use it again whose fault is that?Stop looking at what other clubs are doing and make the best of our own resources. Arsenal as a club need to stop making excuses our turnover is among the best in the world.I would also like to add it's quoted any transfer we pay we also deduct the wages as well.That is true but only calculated for that season so for example £15m player on £4m per year 4 year contract it's £19m deducted from the player trading account NOT the full 4 years of the deal £16m in total plus the transfer fee.We will trim the wage bill again in the summer but imo if we don't buy quality players we will be talking about the same situation come next season.We could afford some better quality if the squad was paid on performance not on a level pay scale where the average are overpaid to the extent we don't keep the proven talent's.

  19. Reg

    Jan 07, 2012, 18:34 #16657

    Gooner S, how can anyone expect Gibbs to be a successor to Clichy when he cannot stay fit for more than 2 games in a row? Wenger's comment pre-season that Gibbs was first choice left back was laughable and just highlights how deluded the manager is! I agree we have no right to win things every year but the problem is this. In the 80's my season ticket was £60 & I was taking home £90 a week working as a postman. When Chapman was falling about like a new born giraffe and earning circa £500 a week, at that price you could see the funny side of it. Fast forward 25 years and the truth is 2 star return for 5 star prices starts to grate after a few years especially when it is the same mistake from the same player and the manager refuses to do anything about it.

  20. Danny

    Jan 07, 2012, 18:01 #16656

    au revoir wenger - you are right. i has come from the top to teh manager until this change occurs , it will be status quo. They are milking the fans and unfortualetly we have too many fans who have their heads up wengers ass to realise we are going backwards we will not buy anyone this winter break and probably not outstanding quality in the summer. it will intersting to see what pressure the media and fans will put on the board the pressure that was put on wenger to react in the transfer, forced panic buys. do you want this so called intelligent man to continue. i say NO!.

  21. Spike

    Jan 07, 2012, 17:37 #16654

    The management of our club is falling short at most levels. What frustrates me is that we do not seem to have any semblance of a plan -how we move from goal A to goal B, where we need to be in 3, 5, 10 years and how to get there. Think the England cricket team and how they targetted specific goals and worked out how to achieve them. Most fans would probably accept where we are now if it was part of a strategy to improve (even Spuds are able to do this FFS!). Instead, we get AW can do what he feels like, Kroenke endorses that and Gazidis shifts the goal posts (4th is acceptable, now 5th is acceptable etc.) to suit the situation. Even allowing for City/Chelsea, Arsenal are one of the top 8 revenue generating clubs in the world and we need to start acting like it. It is pointless harping on about our sustainable model when it is only really sustainable due to the hundreds of millions pumped into it by Man City's unsustainable one.

  22. Will

    Jan 07, 2012, 17:33 #16653

    Its an interesting topic but I don't agree with a lot of your analysis. When we made the decision to commit to the new stadium,Citeh and their billions weren't on the horizon. Their arrival has exploded salary levels and pushed Arsenal's pay scales into the margins. The second factor is the rise in power of agents. Every half decent player has one, when Arsenal come calling it makes sense to hawk them around other clubs to see if they can get a better deal. This makes it very difficult to unearth talent. Does anyone seriously believe we would have got Pires et al if Citeh had been around? You are right the UEFA fair play rules will make no difference. If they try to enforce them the bigger clubs might just take themselves off and form a relegation free European league just like US sports. With this backdrop Arsenal have to make do, there is no magical fix. Mandy Dodd nails it Cahill transfer and salary £40m, you must be joking. Incidentally Torres transfer+ salary works out at around £100m. The point being that Arsenal's transfer kitty of £50m doesn't actually get you very much in today's market.

  23. Whinger_OUT_NOW

    Jan 07, 2012, 17:19 #16652

    Gooner S, this is the third injury plagued season for Gibbs. How much longer till we admit that he's injury prone and thus will never be good enough? NO matter how good a player is, he can't help the club if he's constantly in the hospital. Besides, even if he wasn't injury prone he's just not good enough. Poorer version of Clichy and that's saying something. Gibbs is WORSE than Clichy defensively and just as atrocious going forward. Not good enough. Period But let's give him some more time. Like the 6 years given to Diaby. Maybe, he'll come as good as Diaby as come..errr, never mind But Whinger will not see the light. It took him 5 years to see the light over Senderos, 4 for Cygan and 4 for Eboue. He still hasn't seen the light for 6 years in Diaby's case. So, we'll sign no one for LB and keep hoping Gibbs stays fit..this will be the stand at least till 2014. But wait..don't sack Whinger. Remember, the next person coming in might be worse. Right, CanadaGooner?

  24. divingrooney

    Jan 07, 2012, 16:54 #16651

    Aint it obvious? No sane club employs British coaches who have only knowledge of British players. Even Liverpool got Commolli before installing Kenny. Each decent player on the continent is now coveted by every club. Even Madrid, who hardly thought about younger players are now scourging and spending big for unproven talents like Varane. Wenger is the only USP, why players like AOC are joining Arsenal, once he leaves, it might be all over. I cannot see any reason for a great player to join Arsenal, except as a stepping stone towards a bigger club. Man Utd have better team and stadium, City have untold riches, Chelsea offer better wages in London, no one can match the glamour of Barcelona and Madrid. So, I repeat, why should any great player join Arsenal? Today, the answer is Wenger, tomorrow...

  25. Oliver Goodwin

    Jan 07, 2012, 16:51 #16650

    FYI Mertesacker > Cahill

  26. Ramgun

    Jan 07, 2012, 16:45 #16649

    I don't know why so many people keep referring to the Board. They are window-dressing. Wenger totally ignores them. Only Kroenke counts and he is on his knees to Wenger. The Board, some of whom are far from being Wenger worshippers, have zero power. The entire show is run by Wenger. Just because the ludicrous figure of Hill-Wood is slavishly devoted to his master from Alsace it doesn't mean the others are. In fact Wenger ignores them totally because he has an intelligent, if massively egocentric, germanic mind and knows who he has to keep on the right side of. The power is with Wenger on transfers and everything else. That is the way he and Kroenke want it. Nothing changes as long as Wenger stays at Arsenal.

  27. fozzys mate

    Jan 07, 2012, 16:23 #16648

    Au revoir Wenger, the problem is apathy driven by an arrogant complacent board. Wenger is apathetic about winning things as he has been allowed to conveniently redefine success to suit himself. The fans like me are apathetic and turn up and go home expecting less each year. The only thing that will change it is the board informing OGL of what he is expected to do, ie. Use the resources at his disposal to win trophies. As you say only a volte face from the fans can install the change of attitude. The nearest so far was the defiance at the end of last season at the Villa and Fulham games.

  28. William Morris

    Jan 07, 2012, 16:23 #16647

    I am a great admirer or Arsene and as long as he is Arsenal manager I will fully support him, however I fear that the club is not going to move on whilst he is in charge. We are only talking about how well we have done due to our relative position earlier in the season. When the Invincibles won the title if someone had told us we were going to be in the position we are now I would have laughed at them. We are currently no better than 4th in the league and until the club changes its attitude that is where we will remain. There is little chance of us finishing in the top 4 this year without investment. The teams around us will strengthen and we will be left behind. I can't understand why Arsene doesn't want another left back as you say Gibbs is and right of and Santos wouldn't make it into half the Premierleague starting line ups.

  29. au revoir wenger

    Jan 07, 2012, 15:49 #16646

    Its the fans who need to force change but too many still believe in the manager and until that changes the team will continue to go backwards

  30. fozzy's mate

    Jan 07, 2012, 14:01 #16645

    Our board are arrogant enough to tell others to adopt their dough trousering ambition lacking model. They scrape around for loan deals and 2nd rate cheap players. The club is run like a mid table regional outfit rather than a giant of the world game.

  31. Gee

    Jan 07, 2012, 13:24 #16643

    We are totally hamstrung by the amount of under-average players on exorbitant salaries. In maybe 2 seasons when these have finally gone we can have a look at restructuring the wages to reward players like VP with £100k+ per week. Instead of Diaby, Rosicky, Almunia, all on £50k per week.. I wouldn't say Wenger has lost in finding those fringe players and turning them into top drawer players. I'd say he has lost his knack totally with all transfers. And this includes these mental loan signings we that seem to be on the increase. The last 3 januarys we've signed players in positions we've all been crying out for in the summer previous. We tried to get Luchio from MArseille on loan and also have benayoun as well. I've never known us to have loan players in the past from other clubs really. How many player have united had on loan in the last 3 seasons? Chelsea? City? Liverpool? I exclude spurs as they are pony. We are a small time laughing stock

  32. Jekyll

    Jan 07, 2012, 13:21 #16642

    There is no dream of being a top club within the executive. Top 4 with minimum outlay, maximum return is the goal. Wenger goes along with it because he is allowed to use the club as a vehicle for his ideas. They are seriously pushing their luck this season though. I do not expect anything to change if we fall out of the top 4 this seaon though. Gazidis will make excuses for Wenger. Wenger will make up his own usual excuses.

  33. Mandy Dodd

    Jan 07, 2012, 12:32 #16641

    A few issues there. Firstly, I would not believe all the stories about players we are supposed to be linked with. Then, Jones lived in the Manchester area with his family, there is nothing to suggest wages played any part in his decision. Cahill, IF you believe the reports is asking for 120kpw. And Bolton wanted 17m last summer. For a four year deal, nearly 40m for Cahill, not worth it, we did well to stay away. Look at him this season so far. Mata, none of us knows what happened there, the most likely ver to me is that Torres had a word but who knows. But I do not disagree with everything here, our wage policy needs looking at, the FFP rules will not be enforced and our bargain basement signings do sometimes fail spectacularly. I get the impression Wenger is waiting for value in a Euro crash, but if so, he is speculating. But as Chelsea, Utd, City and Liverpool know, spending huge amounts does not always work either.

  34. Ron

    Jan 07, 2012, 12:22 #16640

    Nice post Mick. The fat is that when Arsenal hatched the idea of a ground move back in the late 90s/early noughties they arrogantly thought that we would be the only real rival to Man U for many years to come. Along rolls Abramovitch and latterly the Arabs at Man C to totally destroy their own, hand painted landscape and we ve been bewildered ever since. Now, im not saying the Club shd try and compete on the same terms and venture boldly into the same market places as them, but the feeble throwing in of the towel to them is surely (or at least should be) beneath the standards of a Club like Arsenal? It seems not to me though. Wengers moralising about those Clubs has become a code that the Board have too willingly engaged with, when perhaps they would be better off taking a closer look at him and what hes been doing/not doing since the Russian and Arab bank notes started to be fired across our bows. Perhaps theyre too frightened to? The fact is that hes kidded many above him that his views are cogent and its worked a treat in disguising his faultlines.There were once a few on the Board who werent quite so easily taken in by the Wenger thesis though, but theyve been removed or are no longer there. Very convenient. Wenger's clever, ill give him that!

  35. anonym

    Jan 07, 2012, 12:06 #16639

    The stadium move has only helped shareholders to make more money & clearly fans are paying through increased ticket price etc for reduced entertainment (read it as frequent/frustrating defeats comapred to 5 years before the move)

  36. Gooner S

    Jan 07, 2012, 12:01 #16638

    Arsenal has a transfer policy, you disagree with it. Arsenal, like all clubs, will have a succession plan for each position. For example, Gibbs was the successor to Clichy! If you have a talent like Gibbs you have to at some point put faith in that talent and play him. If he continues to miss games through injury then he will ultimately be replaced by consulting the plan for succession and either promoting from within or going out and buying. If you want to buy you have to consider that at that point in time your ideal target may not be available. You have to Gibbs a fair chance if the talent is there ....and it seems to be. Whether we like it or not we are in the middle of rebuilding the team after recent departures. The likes of Arteta and c.o are doing a job for now and doing a good job. Mertesacker deserves more credit than he is getting. When they are all fit we will have selection problems for good reasons! As for wage structures, they are essential as is making the right decisons regarding transfers. Arsenal are not poor payers! How silly do Bolton look now? They are £3m down on the proposed £7m transfer to Chelsea of Cahill whereas they could have an "insulting" £10m in the summer? Wenger quite rightly told them to poke it. Your last point assumes that Arsenal has a policy of putting profit over winning when in fact the two need to go hand in hand, but you (me, all Arsenal supporters) have to be realistic with our expectations. It is not realistic to expect us to win something every year. If you was supporting the club during the Charlie Nicholas era (as was I) then you must realise that.

  37. Danish Gooner

    Jan 07, 2012, 11:51 #16635

    Give Henry time says Wenger.May i remind Mr.Wenger that we havnt got time,he is only there for seven or eight games so he must start doing the business from day one,no more Chamakh,Rosicky,Arshavin,Walcott he must hit the ground running otherwise the signing is pointless.

  38. smudge59.9

    Jan 07, 2012, 11:06 #16634

    nickel and dime yep thats us gooners..very sad

  39. Arsene Arsene

    Jan 07, 2012, 10:43 #16633

    This is old news. I understand your frustration, hey we're all frustrated because of such a poor return of points over the festive period. That doesn't mean that Cahill would have improved our season.