Finishing School

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Finishing School

Cue the prodigal son


I’ll start with a list of text messages for this one…

‘Honestly, there’s a tear in my eye and a lump in my throat. Magnificent!’ – Mike P

‘Who said Roy of the Rovers was fiction? Make the most it might be the highlight of the season’ – Pete Mountford

‘My first “wish I was there” moment in nearly three years’ – Lord Ashburton (who stopped attending because of his dislike of the atmosphere at the new stadium)

‘Ok calmed down a little now, but is that now what we’re reduced to – nostalgia? All of a sudden feel a familiar sense of sadness kicking in’ – Mike P

‘Vive Le Difference!’ – Howard Lamb

What the wonderful return of Thierry Henry demonstrated was how to put the ball in the back of the net when given the opportunity. It’s a dying art at Arsenal, with the exception of our current club captain. If you go through our roster of regular attacking starters – Walcott, Gervinho, Arshavin and Ramsey – you will see a lot of good chances and a disturbing proportion of them not being converted. The type of gilt-edged opportunity enjoyed by Arshavin when set up by Chamakh early on would have been gobbled up by Henry or Van Persie. I’m not sure what to say about Chamakh’s effort over the bar when called offside right in front of the goalmouth a little later. Perhaps, knowing he had been flagged, he relaxed and simply lost control of his touch, but I wouldn’t swear to it. The flag saved the debate but you have to wonder.

Leeds were resolute, arguably preferring a draw to a win for financial reasons. This is a club run by Ken Bates after all. They worked hard to stifle their opponents’ attacks, and although the Gunners fashioned chances, it was hard work. Really, the first 65 minutes of the game were all build-up to the main event, the re-introduction of the legend that now wears the number 12 shirt. A handful of those on duty had played on the same side as him in the past – Song, Walcott and Squillaci (for the French national side) - but for the most part, this was probably as big a buzz for some of the younger Arsenal players as it was for the fans.

And the man did not let us down. One chance, one goal. Yes, some of the pace has gone, but the intelligence remains. He was issuing instruction and interestingly, once the team went ahead, doing a lot of covering for attacking midfielders. Dropping back, ensuring a loose man was not an option for the goalkeeper. A salient lesson for Andrey Arshavin. The word is that these days he plays a lot more for the team, in contrast to his reputation as Billy Big Boots. There were no withering glares or hands on hips last night, just encouragement when there was any kind of reaction.

The only really concerning thing about the prodigal son’s return is that it is likely to preclude any activity in the January transfer window. There may be a defensive loan signing to address the left back position, but nothing of significance to help the team push on. It is blatantly obvious that the squad is light up front, and lacks creativity and wit in midfield. So there is the chance to strengthen and push on. But the club are more concerned with the financial insurance policy of failing to make the top four, so the £50 million plus sitting in the bank won’t be moving until the summer. It’s prudent, it’s unambitious. Spending the money might make all the difference between finishing inside or outside the Champions League places.

Ivan Gazidis says the club can’t compete with the petrodollars of Manchester City and Chelsea. However, so far this season, Tottenham seem to be making a fairly decent fist of it, with significantly less income than their neighbours enjoy. There are whispers that a board shake up may take place this summer, with a lot of the old guard being shipped out, and David Dein returning as chairman. Although no fan of Dein as the one to take the club forward on a business level (which he made a right hash of in the 1990s), that side of things has been out of his remit since the turn of the millennium, and to have a football man of genuine ambition actually having an influence in the boardroom once again would be a more significant return than that of the club’s record goalscorer.

For now though, Arsenal will rely on the number 12 re-igniting excitement amongst the fans and especially the corporate box holders and club level season ticket holders, who will get their renewal notices just around the time the player returns to New York. As a piece of marketing, his return is a piece of genius. And after last night, on a football level, it is difficult to think it will not be a triumph where it matters to the fans, on the pitch. It was a pleasure to witness an intelligent, thinking footballer ply his trade for the team. The value of experience. We haven’t seen too much of that since he departed in 2007. My guess is he will be on the bench against Swansea and maybe start the game in the next round against Villa. And we should savour every wonderful moment.

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  4. GoonerRon

    Jan 11, 2012, 21:42 #16784

    I don't get the negativity around Henry scoring. For months people on here have been saying we need quality back up for RVP and Wenger has bought someone in as a short term solution. The transfer window has a lot of time left so he may secure someone else too. I seem to remember a lot people defiantly saying we wouldn't buy anyone in the summer and we did. As for last night, we are incredibly lucky to have a genuine legend like Henry in our history, not many supporters get to see a legend come back and contribute once again. A truly magical moment.

  5. mike

    Jan 11, 2012, 14:24 #16776

    Ron - I agree with you about the feeder talent, however Barca seem to get it right somehow. Most of their players are not bought, but homegrown through the academy.- also a lot of comment has been made about Thierry's emotional celebration - I think it also had a lot to do with the fact that he could still score at that level - lets face it, he has not done a lot since leaving the club and not too much was expected of him, however I don't want to take anything away from him and it was a moment to remember - I hope he can keep adding to his record - I think it would be good to see RVP playing just behind him

  6. GoonerGoal!

    Jan 11, 2012, 11:59 #16769

    Mandy Dodd, I certainly enjoyed the Theirry "moment" on Monday night, but after 6 barren seasons I would enjoy winning something tangible even more, and for longer. But deep down, despite your blind faith in AW, you and those like you know that will not be happening in Season 2011/12.

  7. Ron

    Jan 11, 2012, 9:43 #16767

    Putting aside for a moment al of the euphoria, nostalgia and passion for all things TH, isnt it a sign of the state the game is in and indeed the 'sport' is in, that Clubs cant seem to find players,either ones already playing somewhere at some level or new young players and as such are resorting to bringing back old sweats like TH and Scholes? Schools hardly play football, kids no longer play on parks or wasteland and the quality of the football in the lower leagues must be pretty poor too. I wonder if there will ever be any Kevin Keegans being signed for 30 odd thousand again and hitting the ground running at the top levels? Instead, we have guys in their mid 30s all over the place, earning big bucks doing their last hurrah's all over the place. The TH thing is fine on one hand, but its a sign of footballs malaise on the other in my view.

  8. Andreas

    Jan 11, 2012, 0:55 #16764

    It appear Henry didn't stop talking to Theo throughout the 1st half. I doubt he was talking about theo's range of children's books. He will be a massive asset and guidance to the young man in the no14 shirt who appears lost at the moment.

  9. Mandy Dodd

    Jan 10, 2012, 23:31 #16762

    Seriously, whatever your opinion of arsenal, board , manager, players, future, present, past, if you cannot enjoy what happened last night, I genuinely feel for you!

  10. D

    Jan 10, 2012, 23:29 #16761

    RJ are you taking the piss? walnut ahead of Wiltord and Freddy never.

  11. simon

    Jan 10, 2012, 22:53 #16759

    well said andrew, last night was special. It'll be one of the I was there night's and Henry's celebration was something else, a throw back to the days when players were like fans and showed their true love for their club. We are lucky to have had last night's experience - ask any other fan of any other club.

  12. Andrew Cohen

    Jan 10, 2012, 22:07 #16756

    You can of course compare the finishing of a proper professional with the can't hit a barn door with a bazooka performance of others, but I'm afraid that I can't feel even remotely sad in the aftermath of last night. I went to bed happy with things Arsenal for the first time in years. A bit of fun for once and pure unadulterated joy.

  13. tpm

    Jan 10, 2012, 21:47 #16755

    rj, ches is a potentially great keeper, mad jens was. to class them together at this stage is not fair on the great german. merse 69, you are a fool carry on burying your head in the sand at what has become of our club, also parlour and jack, i say show us what you have done in the game. jack will be better long term. currently on par. cmpletely differnet type of player though. canadagooner, yet more tosh from you, perhaps you should actually watch a game in the flesh before passing such rubbish judgements. any fool can tell that our goals conceded figure has improved for the very same fact that the goals for figure has got worse. the whole team is defending more as a unit now, forsaking the gun ho attitude of the past, which has led to improved defence but woeful attack bar rvp. with this set of players you cant have oth as they simply are not good enough. perhaps if you were not such a jcl, you would understand that, perhaps you should stick with watching the miracle on ice...

  14. Viking

    Jan 10, 2012, 21:17 #16754

    Chopper4001, good post mate. Online Gooner, think about adding a Like button beside posts, as some of the comments on here deserve credit. I thought the Ox looked dangerous and threatening whenever he had the ball, defenders backed off, he knew what he was doing and looks more than capable of doing a much better job than Theo. Arshavin is useless, I'm not sure how people can defend him, how many chances has he had, if he can't motivate and play well against a lower league team, than he clearly needs to be shown the door. We all know about Chamakh, the guy is useless, get rid sharpish, I'm not sure why Wenger persists with him. Rambo looked good again, and improves with every game, great touch, vision and I'm sure if he continues with his fine form, the goals will come, give him credit for shooting when the opportunity arises. Coquelin looks good too. TH - superb, just shows what class can bring to the team, a few more decent signings and we could actually challenge for the League and Champs League. As mentioned on here by a few alreadt, Theo, Gerv, Chamakh and Shava would never have take or been in the position to take that opportunity.

  15. GoonerGoal!

    Jan 10, 2012, 19:44 #16752

    Yes Thierry returned with a great goal full of emotion in which we could all share, but is that really what we are reduced to by Arsene Wenger, getting excited by a fading hero rescuing us from a replay against an ordinary Championship side? I have come to the conclusion that for most of our fans their ambitions only reflect those of the Manager. Finishing 4th every season really is acceptable to them. Well WAKE UP! This year we will not finish 4th. We may not even finish 5th or 6th! Our traditional collapse in March/April looms before us without the benefit of a cushion of points between us and 5th and 6th place, that we normally have at this time of year. For you AKBs, the Europa Cup and finishing less than 12 points behind Spurs should be the extent of your ambition this season! But apparantly you are happy...

  16. Inspector Clueless

    Jan 10, 2012, 19:33 #16751

    actually i think last nite's celebration/goal was our highlight of the balance of our season. by my reckoning spurs could end up with 80 points at end of season and after tonight and they will go close which means 3 CL places have for sure already gone ! then it is us V chelsea+cahill and liverpool and i dont see it happening

  17. Unbeaten 03/04

    Jan 10, 2012, 19:24 #16750

    For Thierry to leave Arsenal in the first place he must have had a chat with Arsne and said "Arsene, I know you don't care about CL, so please let me go and try to win that, since you know Arsenal squad is not good enough the CL!!!

  18. CanadaGooner

    Jan 10, 2012, 17:22 #16747

    Merse69, TedG, 71 Guns: well done sirs! if arsenal fans can put half the energy they spend moaning on onlinegooner to supporting the team chamakh, gervinho and ramsay would have scored 20+ goals already this season (even arshavin!). all we hear is sack wenger, sell this one, sell that one, oh arsenal are no longer great, let's buy this one, buy that one..... bla bla bla. Never for once do I hear: well done lads, good win! yes, the club is a shadow of itself and arsenal is now a business and not a football club. But somewhere along the line we still play some of the best football and with a little bit of encouragement perhaps walcott & co can start scoring! that's the only thing that has held us back this season: NOT THE DEFENCE! we have conceded a similar number of goals as man city, man utd, chelsea and spurs (if you set aside the anomaly of the 8 goals we conceded at old trafford), but we still want cahill and samba and every other defender on the planet! pathetic!!! a great number of teams out there would be happy with the players we have. bit more support, less moaning and maybe we'll be on our way

  19. Ted G

    Jan 10, 2012, 16:50 #16745

    Nice words 71 Guns. I really can't stand The Gooner if I'm honest. It's so pessimistic with the same old people whinging about this that and the other. I watched the Official History DVD at the weekend while my girlfriend was out and sat there nearly weeping as the great memories came flooding back. I was celebrating the goals all over again. Arsene has seen better days and you could clearly make a case he's on borrowed time but try watching the DVD again and maybe one or two on here may concede they've been a bit harsh on the old fella. Two doubles, a season undefeated, another whole away campaign without defeat (which I almost forgot). Bloody hell. We support a great club. Just rejoice in the fact you miserable bunch of bastards.

  20. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 10, 2012, 15:55 #16743

    Don't think there was anybody who hadn't a tear in their eye great goal great night i certainly don't want to be a party pooper but the fact still remains until the man came on we couldn't break down a poor leeds team who defended for their lives most of the match if the man hadn't scored we would probably be talking about a replay now it was good to see the positions arshavin got himself into but his finishing? same could be said of a few others the game really should have been put to bed long before henry came on but he'y were in the next round i certainly hope we don't have to rely on henry coming on in the last twenty of every match to get us the goal or goals we need lets hope his appetite enthusiasm and energy rubs off on everybody and we start scoring more and push on from here.

  21. Mark

    Jan 10, 2012, 15:29 #16742

    Song's pass was nothing special. the fact is the goal was created by Henry's natural pulling off to the blind side of a defender which he can do in his sleep. It is also something that Chamahk will NEVER be able to do if you put him through 1000 training sessions ! pleased with the win and it shows how mediocre most of our todays players are compared to 5 years ago

  22. Sam

    Jan 10, 2012, 14:46 #16741

    I find it very very poor that we need our old and one of our best players ever (legend) like Henry to beat a Team like Leeds after 78 minutes of pass pass pass pass pass pass pass and poor shooting from useless players like ashavin, chamark and the like. Wenger not performing-pure and simple and if he thinks thierry can save him every match then he is a joker for 15 years at the helm. kudos to Song-my! the guy is improving very well in my view. Migual and Cocquilin as well. But the truth be said- we have no indepth team to challenge for the top four.

  23. Gee

    Jan 10, 2012, 13:58 #16739

    Confirm the invincibles were broken up way too early. The only player leaving in 2006 should have been Bergkamp. Vieira should never have gone in 2005 Pires, Campbell and A Cole should all have been kept on. Henry should not have gone in 2007, or indeed at all. Did the replacements improve the side Hleb/Walcott for Pires, Gallas/silvestre for Sol, clichy/Gibbs for Cole, Flamini/Denilson for Vieira and any of the failed strikers for Henry... These lot should have still been around until 2009 if not longer in some cases. He has got it badly wrong yet is now being lauded as a genius for supplementing a dead squad with some experience

  24. Ron

    Jan 10, 2012, 13:20 #16738

    I dont think anybody has mentioned the atmosphere at Arsenal last night? If they have i apologise, but it needs to be mentioned that great players, cause exitement, cause expectation, the hairs stand up and fans get up for it. It was electric there last night. Take note Arsenal. TH isnt the man he was, but at half capacity he still lights up football in this Country clearly.Its all romanticism about him at present and it will carry him and the Club only so far, but what a moment to both savour and regret simultaneously. The regret comes from the realisation of how far our quality has dropped in 6 or 7 years and that a 34 year old will perhaps notch more goals in weeks to come than the misfiring inadequates who are charged to do it regularly have done in over a year! Very sad Arsene, very sad.

  25. RJ

    Jan 10, 2012, 13:08 #16737

    Chris Dee - Players in current squad who would have at least made the bench in 2004: Sir Chesney - is I think already the equal of Mad Jens. Certainly the bench warmer Bacary - probably the first XI TV5 - could have seen a rotation with Sol and Kolo - certainly ahead of Cygan Jack the Lad - at least bench - already he is better than Parlour RVP - no need to say any more Theo (ahead of Wiltord, close with Freddy) Arshavin as cover for Bobby TH12 as cover for TH14 Abu Diaby (OK - I am joking on that one) You could probably make a case for Arteta and Ramsey if you really tried. The point is, they 2003/4 was a great team - this team is a little bit short of that in key positions - and we are hobbled by injuries - how would The Invincibles have coped with the current team injury list against this City side? Thierry - love him to bits, loved the fact we have signed him and loved the fantasy of last night - but this from The Sunday Times this weekend talking about his departure ... "...resources further stretched by the £5m-plus fee Henry demanded for extending his contract. There were times when players felt obliged to pass to the captain and times when they were aggressively taken to task for perceived failings". It is fantastic that the man has mellowed - and has come back as a true legend. Thierry - five more goals please - we are no longer a one-man team, we are now a two-one-man team! Come on you Gooners! Let's get behind the whole team

  26. Will

    Jan 10, 2012, 12:52 #16736

    A magical moment from Thierry, but after the euphoria the sober realisation that we are pants up front without RVP.A few good saves from the Leeds keeper but most of the shots lashed wide of the goal. Seeing TH in action showed just how much we miss in terms of composure in front of goal. The Ox was more effecitve than Wally has been recently. Sad for Ash, tried his heart out but its just not happening for him. Is Chamakh the worst centre forward we've seen in years ? Agree with the posts the Miguel looks good. Looking forward to Wenger recruiting in the Jan window or is that a dream too far.

  27. Mike

    Jan 10, 2012, 12:51 #16735

    Chamakh strength is supposedly in the air - he got absolutely no service from the wings so you wouldn't expect him to do well - Ashavin put in a good shift for once - Ramsey should wear number 10, for the England Rugby side - more shots of his go over the bar than under it. Theo with all his faults at least makes the opposing full back stay a lot closer to his goal than he would if he was not there. As for Henry - long may he continue to add goals to his Arsenal record

  28. Tony Evans

    Jan 10, 2012, 12:49 #16734

    Great moment to savour and nice to be able to forget about the bigger picture at our club, if only for a night. I couldn't stop myself reminiscing and remembering what a class team we had during Henry's best years with us and then this morning the cold hard truth of what has happened since he left re-asserted itself. How can the same manager let himself become hostage to some of the crap players we have seen over the last few years when he used to aspire to players like Henry. I think I feel sadder than ever now.

  29. RJ

    Jan 10, 2012, 12:46 #16733

    Carlos - I remember Arshavin scoring from a virtually identical position in his first season - boy has the talent, just not the motivation

  30. 71 Guns

    Jan 10, 2012, 12:46 #16732

    Having been a fan since I was about 7 and enjoying my first trophy at 10 (Littlewoods cup vs Liverpool) I think it's fair to say I've been very fortunate in my time supporting the Arsenal. My Dad told me to savour the night at Anfield in 89' not just because it had been 18 years since we'd won the league but the nature of the result - I defy any Arsenal fan not to get goose bumps (or 'pimples' if you're Jens Lehman) watching it now, and it's those moments what takes the game to another level. There have been many 'Roy of the Rovers' moments in Arsenals history, from Charlie George in 71' to Rocky in 87' to Adams in 98'. But from 98' on these moments became 10 a penny, we began taking for granted the wonder goals and flowing 'playstaion' football that some will never witness in a lifetime. Players like Bergkamp, Vierra, Pires and Henry in their prime could have played for anyone in the world but they were ours, the love was mutual and they pinned together one of the greatest era's the club has ever seen. But like I said, winning breeds expectance and soon the 'invincibles' had set the benchmark for the future. Did we really think it would last for ever? Ok I accept we have fallen from grace in recent years and I'd be the first offer my opinions to why but the truth is we we've been spoilt, we had a 'wonder' team whose players gave us their best years and moved on, and we must do the same... However imagine if we could go back in time and relive some of those memories, not because we are wishing away the present, but to have the chance to say thank you to a true Arsenal legend - if only eh? Well last night it happened, the stage was set and the rest is history 'back to the future' style! The crowd went mental, Thierry went mental and it was just wonderful. Let's put our woes in a box for 5 minutes and savour last night...

  31. What was the point in Leaving Highbury?

    Jan 10, 2012, 12:40 #16731

    Surely Wenger must now see the benefits of having more than one striker at the club. If i was him I would be selfish and think "I could really make my life easier by having decent options on the bench". Henry showed what true class can do and made a mockery of the myth that Wenger knows just the right time to let players go, similar to Campbell and Jens and even Pires. Or is it that he has lost his ability in the transfer market and can't replace them? Maybe a bit of both. Injuries must surely be a serious worry at the club now. Coq has been decent this season. Loving his agression and energy and his versatility must be a big bonus for a squad lacking in quality. However, another soft tissue injury. Surely there must be something wrong with our training/conditioning/recovery methods. Season in season out we are hampered by a massive injury list. When do we ever play our best 11? I can't see how the club can risk a season that has gone as badly as this one but have the front to announce huge profits. Sooner or later the masses must see that OUR club is being run for the benefit of it's investors and wining trophies isn't important any more. We need a back up keeper, a quality centre half, left back (regardless if Gibbs and Santos are fit), some creativty in midfield, a decent winger and another forward. No chance though becuase Diaby will be back soon!!

  32. Stumpy Den

    Jan 10, 2012, 12:18 #16730

    Forget what we have done or not done, just for a night and some of today and look at what happened last night. Fairytale stuff, look at the hoo haa over Scholes going back to the mancs. What did he do on Sunday compared to T.H last night. Lets relish the fact he is back, enjoy while it lasts, and who knows he may have an effect on the other players. I for one thought that Arshavin played quite well last night, maybe trying to prove he can do it as well, unlucky he did not get one. Iam not rose tinted all the time only today.

  33. Dan h

    Jan 10, 2012, 12:12 #16729

    The trademark pass into the bottom corner sublime finish & his reaction to it said it all.It really was the return of the king in front of his courtyard.With regards the squad you really can't see anything of note happening this month.We have had these defensive injuries since late november any deal you would of thought we would have lined up by the start of this month.

  34. SilverGooner

    Jan 10, 2012, 12:04 #16728

    While TH12 is understandably grabbing all the headlines from last nights game, a couple of other thoughts. 1 - Arshavin might not have had a great game but at least he did work his socks off. 2 - Chamberlain prooved yet again that he is worth a place on the bench from now on. 3 - Did Walcott actually do anything after he came on? 4 - Chamakh - utterly woeful...again! Surely one of the worst-ever strikers to wear the Arsenal shirt. 5 - the goal. It's a shame that Alex Song hasn't got more credit for his brilliant pass that set up TH's goal. Shades of Dennis!

  35. Moscow Gooner

    Jan 10, 2012, 12:02 #16727

    Arshavin certainly played his heart out last night: doesn t always do that of course and often hides when the going gets tough, but he, the Ox and Ramsey were Arsenal s best players before TH 12 came on.

  36. Dave

    Jan 10, 2012, 12:01 #16726

    It was fantastic to see the great man score the winner, agree with most that it was 'written in the stars'. Great to hear him also say that he's playing like a supporter now so hopefully we will see him celebrate smiling a lot more (fingers crossed he scores a few), its all tinged with regret though as this IMO is the highlight of a poor season and god knows what will happen once he goes back to the US as we can bank on one thing in that Wenger will not be bringing anyone else in sadly due to his almost ongoing incompetence but here's to a great moment.

  37. Ted G

    Jan 10, 2012, 11:32 #16725

    A great moment. With the beard it's like it's not really him. A reincarnation of the great man. Quite surreal. Disagree strongly with those who said Arshavin wasn't trying last night. If anything he was trying too hard. Very little went right for him but he never hid and kept having a go. It's sad that it looks as though his short Arsenal career is going to peter out meekly. Clearly he's his own worst enemy and there are commitment/fitness issues but you can't deny he has talent. Somehow between himself and the club it hasn't been harnessed. Chamakh clearly has lost all confidence and ability (if there was any to begin with?) and there would appear to be no way back for him but Arshavin's (likely) departure will be tinged with regret. IMO.

  38. Merse69

    Jan 10, 2012, 10:51 #16724

    Only the Gooner could turn a magical moment into a marathon monathon.... Attacking full backs are key to Wenger's sides. Stretching the opposition and freeing up space in which the attacking midfielders can play. We're missing all our full backs and our most creative midfield player (Wilshere). Credit to Wenger for getting enough out of the squad and for bringing in more experience. Without him there would be no Henri to bring back....

  39. Tony T

    Jan 10, 2012, 10:47 #16723

    A wonderful goal from the legend that is Thierry.As others have said who else could have scored that goal.Gervinho? Theo? dont make me laugh.But isnt it a sad indictment that we have to bring back a semi retired player to show how weak we are below RVP.Chamakh was awful.If he cant do it against a championship side his Arsenal days are over.Has anyone especially Wenger thought what are we going to do when TH12 goes back to America in march.We are back to square one.And if RVP gets injured............But for the moment lets just enjoy watching the master again

  40. Bob

    Jan 10, 2012, 10:26 #16722

    While it was fantastic to see Thierry back and showing that even in the twilight of his career he remains a world class striker, it served to underline that we did precious little to dissuade him from leaving when he did. This was not a case of a player leaving us to join the Club of his childhood dreams. Arsenal was - and is - Henry's first love. Had Wenger given him any reason to stay in terms of his ambition for the Club he would never have joined Barcelona while still in his prime. Welcome back....but just think what a difference his presence would have made over the past four years.

  41. chris dee

    Jan 10, 2012, 10:12 #16721

    Got caught up with the atmosphere last night,but afterwards just got very angry and sad. Sad that we are so down in the dumps and depressed with the club that Theiry getting his goal to help us beat Leeds 1-0 in the third round of the F A cup brings on a state of euphoria. And angry that Arsene has allowed our standards to drop so much from the Henry/Bergkamp/Pires/Vieira days.Watching Arshavin and Chamakh wandering around the pitch showing zilch commitment to their teamates or to the club while drawing thousands of pounds a week in wages is galling.We now have a squad where no more than 1 or 2 of the players would even on the subs bench in 2004.Tht's how far we have been dragged down. It's just not good enough and Thierry's arrival is just a small plaster to cover a gaping wound that will open up again when he leaves. At this time our duty as supporters is to let the board and manager know that that top clubs win trophies not pray for 4th place and to let them know we find it unneccaptable and disgraceful being the third tean in London behind Spurs and Chelsea let alone being the top team in the country and Europe.

  42. Peter Wain

    Jan 10, 2012, 10:12 #16720

    What a great goal but what about the rest of the squad. I just do not understand why Chmack and Arshavin are selected. You will see more committed players on Hackney Marshes than those tow and in Chamack's case ones with a lot better touch. How can Wenger not but a striker when he sees Chamak wek in week out. I just do not understand it at all.

  43. Carlos

    Jan 10, 2012, 9:44 #16719

    Who else would have scored that goal from that position? Answers on a postcard - a small one will suffice. By the way can you elaborate on Dein making a hash of expansion as a business in the 1990's?

  44. Judge Fred

    Jan 10, 2012, 9:37 #16718

    Impressed with Miguel - he looks to have real potential. Like the directness of Ox to, he creates a buzz in the crowd when he gets the ball. The Meerkat seemed to put in a decent amount of effort too for a change. Chamakh's mind is elsewhere, I'm afraid. We need to move him on pronto.

  45. chopper4001

    Jan 10, 2012, 9:19 #16717

    Good to have Tel back, and he finished his goal in trademark style. I worry that the level of skill has gone along with the speed (some of his touches last night weren't great - to be expected I suppose), but if he can score when he plays, who cares. I think Miquel has done enough to stop Wenger buying a full back too, so I dont think we'll see any additions in January now. God knows we need them, but Wenger is all for backing the players he has. Probably means finsihing out of the top four, and then some serious questions need to be answered. One quick point. Aaron Ramsey is about a season or two from being one of the best players in the world. He reminds me of Cesc a few years ago, before he started scoring, only with more drive and hussle. All Ramsey really needs now is 15/20 goals a season and he's right up there with the best of them. If he converted the chances he gets, he'd have scored that many already this year. Good things to come (assuming we can keep hold of him of course).

  46. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Dec 03, 2011, 6:17 #15553

    Rocky RIP - thanks for your reply. I get what you're saying about DD's involvement / non - involvement in the signing of Jeffers - However I made no mention of Dein....maybe you'd read someone else's post by mistake? I understand that AW was under pressure to sign an Englishman, and Kevin Phillips is / was exactly that too.....and was already scoring regularly and frequently. At the time, after Michael Owen, I think Phillips was the next most prolific English striker in the league. I may be wrong on that, but either way I'd have much preferred to see Phillips in an Arsenal shirt.

  47. Mike

    Dec 02, 2011, 11:07 #15535

    I agree with the suggestions of Bent, Anelka and even Dafoe can be used as a stop gap - don't think they are available though. Even Henry who is currently training for the squad might be a stop gap - do we really want stop gaps? If you believe what you read, the there are two world class Germans in Padolski and Goetze who are now willing to move to Arsenal, you then have three happy Germans at the club (incl BFG) -don't mention the war, and see what transpires. You then have a back up striker that can play in tandem with RVP, and an architect in the midfield. Then sell Chamakh for the reported 10 million - he won't be here in January anyway, neither will Gervino for that matter..... but then again all the press reports might just be speculation (imagine that?), then what?

  48. Mong

    Dec 02, 2011, 6:44 #15528

    Anelka, Loic Remy. Either of those would be great. Is Podolski a striker? I thought he was an attacking player who plays wide of an orthodox striker? We certainly need something in January

  49. SilverGooner

    Dec 01, 2011, 13:47 #15514

    Chamakh is a truly diabolical player. We paid nothing for him so is it any surprise we are getting nothing in return from him? We should have loaned him out instead of Bendtner.

  50. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    Dec 01, 2011, 13:11 #15511

    It's amazing that we chased Chamakh for two years. You have to say that Grimandi is a good a scout as he was player - ****. There are plenty of options out there who are better than those two up front, let's be honest, its not hard!! I might get some stick for this but I think an out and out striker as an option would suite Arsenal. Hear me out but I think Bent could be that man becuase he scores goals where ever he goes (except Spurs - good man)but importantly he plays in the box, gets on the end of crosses, is more of s striker so could play with RVP. He also wouldnt be champ league cup tied and could hit the ground running. Don't get me wrong I don't think this man can solve all our problems but he's the type of forward we don't have so would give us more options particiually when we put the ball in the box.

  51. Shropshire Lad

    Nov 30, 2011, 20:57 #15496

    You can dress it up how you like but the fact is we have one in-form striker to take us through most of the rest of the season. At least Park seems to know where the goal. Give the Ox his run and move Wally to play off his best mate Sir Percy. It will either be a revelation or it will shut Wally up about it! We have nothing to lose. Has it occured to anyone that the Ox could be the new Henry? Huge pace, strength and a real eye for goal. How long was it before Henry was moved in from the wing at Arsenal? Whatever happens it will be fun to watch but I would bet my house on Wenger not doing business in January - we all know what a stubborn old sod he is but he is our stubborn old sod!

  52. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Nov 30, 2011, 20:02 #15495

    Ron - agree about Chamakh's best use as an aerial no.9, feeding off wide crosses. I bet he'd thrive on the sort of service Walcott and Jenkinson have been producing over the past month, but lee armitt's post is also correct - no top quality striker will want to be used as RVP's domestic cup backup. With the squad being what it is, I'd like to see us line up with a 4-4-1-1, with Chamakh as the up - front no.9 and Van Persie as the deeper lying no.10, in what you might call the Bergkamp position, which is where I think Van Persie should be playing anyway. I know some of you may think that's a nuts idea given how many goals RVP has scored, but from that area of the field he would create as many for others as he would score himself, he's already proved that with the Dutch. It would also give opposition defences another forward to think about instead of focusing on shutting out RVP. If Chamakh still fails to pull his finger out, let Walcott move into the no.9 position and see what happens. That would free up the right hand side in that formation for either Oxlade - Chamberlain to stake a claim, or for Stuart Little to try and have one last go of it instead of doing something like disappearing somewhere in Dagestan. What gets me the most about Chamakh is that the tools are there, but he seems to need something akin to shock therapy to snap him out of whatever dream world he's living in on the pitch. The boy has a good leap, can head the ball on with accuracy or toward goal with power, but the desire hasn't been there after his first few promising months, and I don't know if he'll get it back. Oh, and Rocky RIP - you had me sniggering when you said "we were just gash up front". Reminded me of my Saturday park team, when we went through the course of a truly abysmal season that meant the most frequently used phrase on the pitch was "That shot / tackle / effort was toilet". Aimed at ourselves or team mates, nearly every week...

  53. Jack

    Nov 30, 2011, 19:04 #15493

    Sad to say it but its true.It needs RVP to get injured when the transfer window opens for Scrooge to buy a striker.

  54. Rocky RIP

    Nov 30, 2011, 18:25 #15490

    GaryFootsCray - you make some good points, but was it not David Dein that insisted on signing Jeffers because we were under pressure to buy English. And a 'fox in the box'. The next Robbie Fowler. AW wasn't convinced by all accounts. (I've heard this a few times.) FJ ticked the right boxes at the time, even if he turned out to be abysmal value for money.

  55. Ron

    Nov 30, 2011, 17:22 #15487

    Garyfootscray Good comments. Its part of the reason why football has become a bit sterile (all this so called interchangeabilty of players). I think Wenger takes it a step too far though hence its why we ve had so many similar types over the last few years which is OK if theyre 'quality'. We ve had too many samey types whove been dross. Trying to get the likes of Chamack to fit into the mould has been one long running unfunny joke.The only use he was ever going to have was as an old fashioned type of traditional CF. To be honest though, i think he lacks guts as much as confidence and without that a player is screwed. They say he was good in France. He wasnt. He was far from prolific.

  56. clockendpaul

    Nov 30, 2011, 17:22 #15486

    You can see why wenger waited a year to get chamakh for nothing, because he's got his moneys worth!

  57. Ron

    Nov 30, 2011, 17:08 #15483

    Wenger wont sign much in January. A try for Anelka wdt be a bad shout though, even if only on loan. He could do what Adebayor has done at Spurs surely.

  58. Nick

    Nov 30, 2011, 16:52 #15480

    Park is a trier and worked hard last night Chamakh is a waster without a strikers instinct bendtner had his faults but he was better than the morrocan and was never played in his preffered position or given a real run of games it was obvious almost from the start last night that the duo upfront were not performing to an acceptable level and a change was needed either gervinho or arshavin for park and heres one from left field but the verminator for the useless morrocan hes better in the air better on the ground and infintely harder working and combatative than the latter ive said this before and ill repeat it now wenger is ALWAYS reactive not proactive his substitutions are often baffaling and invairiably too late and if as i think is entirely possible he does NOT buy a proven striker ie the likes of Podolski we WILL suffer for it at the very leat he should swallow his pride and recall bendtner as he is a far better option than we have at present and tell him if you want to go put yourself in the shop window and PROVE your worth a move

  59. lee armitt

    Nov 30, 2011, 16:42 #15478

    Unless van persie gets injured there won't be many top class strikers prepared to come here and sit on the bench all the time.

  60. Rocky RIP

    Nov 30, 2011, 16:36 #15477

    Nobody can be in any doubt that we need to buy a quality back up striker for RVP. It's rare that you quietly wonder if NB would have improved things, but last night was one of them. Our inexperienced midfield were fantastic, we were just gash up front. Since the author mentions figures, let's not forget RVP cost a mere £2.75 million. I agree Park needs time. Although I don't think we can risk hanging around for another unpolished gem to mature. We need a proven, ready made article for once. The money is in the bank - use it and let's not hear excuses in may about being stretched, tired or a little short. Whatever happened to a squad, like ours of 1999/2000, containing the quality of Bergkamp, Henry, Kanu and Suker?

  61. Matty S

    Nov 30, 2011, 14:33 #15470

    We didnt use Chamakh properly and now he has lost all hinger and drive. Sell him (not to another EPL team thought, I'd bet my money on him finding form again) and buy Papiss Cisse.

  62. Mike

    Nov 30, 2011, 14:24 #15468

    Sign who exactly? I am excited about the rumours of Padolski but that is exactly what they are. Hopefully he does have an eye on Arsenal. Otherwise realistically apart from one or two loan deals going on around the place I don't see any big player deals this window - the only one that is obvious is Tevez and he is off to Italy. Are there going to be any worthwile strikers willing to play second fiddle to van Persie. Realistically the stop-gap, if any will be a striker in the twilight of his career curently keeping a bench warm.

  63. Jimmy

    Nov 30, 2011, 13:24 #15465

    Nice article Simon, but I can't see us selling either Chamakh or Park in January because the former was bought in on a free transfer and therefore probably gets a very nice salary which no other club is going to be prepared to get close to matching, irrespective of whether they are expected to pay a transfer fee or not. As for Park, I think he was a calculated gamble which has yet to pay off. His fee and wages are probably by revenues generated from his Korean fanbase. I actually like to see one of them given a run in the team alongside RVP to see whether he can bring them best out of them. Whilst neither of them did themselves any favours last night, the service they received was not great either. Play Chamakh against Wigan, Olympiacos and Everton (with RVP for the two PL games) and see what happens. He scored goals for us at the start of last season, so must have some talent which has just been buried by a severe lack of confidence.

  64. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Nov 30, 2011, 13:13 #15464

    The term "striker' has lost its' meaning in the carousel of modern football. Not so very long ago, teams often played two of what used to be called "centre forwards", remember that anyone? When being tipped to sign either Kevin Phillips or Francis Jeffers, AW chose the flaky wallflower instead of the guy who was an already proven goal scorer, with a natural goal hanger's instinct, because Jeffers was younger and therefore considered to be easier to mould into the style AW chose to play....and we all know how that one worked out. Jeffers was supposed to be the "fox in the box" whereas Phillips would have sniffed out chances and goals like a bloodhound. The Jeffers / Phillips situation and the current situation with Chamakh / Park prompts another question....would AW have signed Ian Wright? I think not. It seems that unless you're a "false 9", "advanced no.10" or "trequartista" - whichever football guff terminology you care to use - then the chances of playing Centre Forward for The Arsenal, in the truest sense of the position, are slim indeed. I'm not finger pointing all this at our club or manager either, it's happening everywhere. Many teams across Europe and South America used to have a blatant goalhanger or six yard box predator in their first team squad, but contemporary football philosophy is slowly fading that position out of the game. Unfortunately, it appears the future is 4-6-0.

  65. Brigham

    Nov 30, 2011, 12:46 #15460

    It is blindingly obvious that we are in dire need of a classy striker to compliment RVP. Podulski would be a excellent signing without any doubt. Trouble is, will Wenger go for him and more importantly, would he wish to sign? Answers on a postcard to FC Koln.

  66. allybear

    Nov 30, 2011, 11:46 #15454

    Yes Simon as i said in an earlier forum the squad is weak and reflects the manager. Reported to be looking at Lukas Podolski who would be a great signing,top class and a battler. Remains to be seen if any new signings will happen in Jan. I personally think that AW thinks this squad is good enough.

  67. PerryG

    Nov 30, 2011, 11:17 #15453

    Chamakh i can see being sold in January as a 10m fee would be great business for Wenger/Kroenke, having got him for nothing. Park has to be given more time to prove himself and shouldnt be sold as yet. If he dosent prove up to it then he has years being hawked around the lesser lights of la liga and Ligue 1 to look forward to

  68. Joe

    Nov 30, 2011, 11:15 #15452

    At least park has the movement and the strikers instinct to follow up efforts by other players. Chamakh has turned into the non scoring forward we all thought he would be based on his record in a poor French league.Sell Chamakh and give Park the time to play as he scores a lot of goals for his country and could prove a shrewd signing if given a few games

  69. GoonerRon

    Nov 30, 2011, 11:13 #15451

    Crickey, give Park a chance, it's his third game for the club in a new league. Eduardo started very slowly and in the second half of his first season got some opportunities, momentum and the goals started. I'm not saying he is the answer, but I'm also not discounting him from improving from his current level.