I am sitting on the fence regarding the manager…

…but for how much longer?



I am sitting on the fence regarding the manager…

Wenger: Still dividing opinion


I was as concerned as all Arsenal supporters at our early season form, but I was prepared to wait until the completion of the Christmas programme before fully assessing the situation following the deadline day purchases.

I have always supported the manager in the past, even in the dark days of the end of last season. However, I am now sitting on the fence with a serious intent of jumping off and advocating a change of management at the top. Why only sitting on the fence? Well, we have been desperately unlucky with injuries to key players, especially in the defence. The goalkeeping position has now been solved and, apart from the odd error, we are assured in that position. The manager had good cover at both full-back positions and to lose all four with serious injuries at the same time cannot be foreseen.

At centre-back, we have three players of the required calibre. I cannot include Djourou, but with Vermaelen covering at left-back, our resources are thin in this position. Obviously I am excluding Squillaci, as he is not of the class required for the team we are striving to be, and we should surely make a move for Cahill, but more of that later.

In the midfield, Arteta was obviously a good purchase and I cannot wait to see him link up with Jack Wilshere. Jack’s injury was again very unfortunate, but should this not have been spotted before he went on holiday in June? Ramsey is turning in some good performances, but he can be frustrating at times, particularly with his passing. RvP is in the form of his life and thankfully injury-free. (Where’s my rabbits foot?) But that’s it. To my mind Szczesny, Sagna, Jenkinson, Gibbs (just), Santos, Mertesacker (yes, where would we be without his long legs and heading ability), Vermaelen, Koscielny, Wilshere, Arteta and van Persie are the players with the class needed for this club to challenge for trophies. That’s eleven players, of whom five have been long-term injuries. Small wonder that we are beginning to struggle. Any suspensions to these players only make the situation worse.

I feel guilty about Song, but he is very inconsistent and likely to get booked. His decision-making is poor and his passing atrocious at times. I would like to see Koscielny in the Song position. He reads the game well, is mobile, good on the ball, intercepts and tackles cleanly, and gets forward and back quickly. So Song is a squad player, along with Djourou, Rosicky, Oxlade-Chamberlain (but I would like to see him given an extended run) Coquelin, Benayoun and Miquel.

As for the remainder of the first team squad, Arshavin is of the required class but seems uninterested. Walcott is a luxury who has pace but is not a footballer; the same goes for Gervinho, although he is even more profligate than Walcott in front of goal. Chamakh has gone backwards, and Park seems lightweight. Squillaci is just not good enough. These six should be offloaded as soon as possible, together with Almunia, (but then our goalkeeping cover looks thin). I cannot include Diaby in anything except for the exit door, if anyone will have him. Frimpong comes into the ‘work in progress’ category and he is on loan, so can be discounted for the season.

So it is obvious that we need some players of the required standard and urgently; that means this transfer window. Cahill would be a brilliant purchase, and then Koscielny could be the defending midfielder and we would have three good centre-backs. £7m seems a snip, but I note from the rumour-mill today that he is asking for £120k a week, the same as Ashley Cole. We know that there is no chance of that happening at Arsenal. Surely we could accommodate Wayne Bridge as cover at left back for the remainder of the season? Gibbs and Santos will not be returning in the near future and an injury to Vermaelen or the other centre-backs leaves us very thin in the defensive positions.

We are short of a midfield player of the required class and, as for strikers, Thierry coming back does not over excite me. He could turn out to be very useful, and even a revelation, but we need a permanent solution, not a temporary one. Podolski stands out, but we have a full complement of overseas players. Our dear Manager has a reputation of spotting unpolished diamonds and turning them into the real McCoy but Demba Ba slipped under his sights after impressive performances last season and lives in London as well!

The problem for us Gooners is that we have seen ourselves fall away from promising positions too many times, 2003, 2009, and 2011, to name a few, and now we are throwing away games from winning positions. Even the Reserves are losing with alarming regularity. Where is the emerging talent to come from? Wenger knows the problems; we used to bring in top players boldly, such as Pires, Petit, Overmars, Wiltord and Reyes, all proven and World-Cup players, but now we p**s about on the fringes even with just squad players. Is it Monsieur Wenger or is it constraints from the board to which no-one will own up? I believe I can see an incredibly loyal man under stress, judging by his intemperate comments following the Fulham game on the club website, which, by the way is becoming more of a joke every day, such as recent comments by Walcott that ‘I must score more goals’!

So, how long must I sit on that fence? Until the first week in March, which should tell us all we need to know, with games against Man U, Spurz and AC Milan interspersed with winnable games against lowly opposition. We are to play at least four games in fourteen days at the end of that period. Will we bring in any players in the window? Unlikely, methinks. Then, if we do not at least sustain our league position ready for the run-in, ‘Yanks out’ will be my rallying call and, unfortunately, that must include the Manager.


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  1. John Abrehart

    Jan 17, 2012, 10:40 #17082

    Thank you all Gooners for your reaction to my article, both positive and otherwise. My comments about Song and Walcott seemed controversial. I try to really look at players during games, (although when on tv that is a bit difficult sometimes, with the obsession of 'celebrity spotting' in the crowd). Just watch Kolscielny, he reacts and moves like a footballer most of the time. To be a 'footballer' you must have a football brain, as has Arshavin, Vermaelen, RVP and Wilshere. I still contend that he could exchange places with Song and that would enhance our defending and attacking ability. I may have been wrong about Mertesacker judging by the Swansea game, Song would not be wasted at centre back with his strength and heading ability, especially with Thomas beside him. Walcott has had a long period with the club and despite his assists and goals, he is very wasteful and often gets in the wrong position, his control lets him down and passing sloppy.I have been sitting down watching some old DVD's over the New Year with a box of Kleenex, watching the finishing of Thierry and Wrighty. Need I say more? The 'one on one' chances with the goalkeeper to beat should have been taken against opposition from the lower reaches of the league in our last three games. Eight points dropped. Our world class striker crafted a goal against Swansea, as he has done so many times and we then lose the game with Division 2 defending. Remember the old saying about getting your equaliser in first? With us it has become getting our consolation goal in first. I still believe in Arshavin's ability. He performs well for his country and is well regarded. They are no slouches - is it because he plays in the middle for Russia? I do not think that being stuck out on the wing is his best position with longish periods out of the game. Why not move him inside with RVP? He can provide killer passes (Swansea game) and has a good goalscoring record when given the chance. He has the class that is required, that should be nurtured, even if it means mixing it up a bit - remember the four goals against Liverpool? I am still with Le Professor if hanging on by my fingernails, the first week of March will be my decision time. In conclusion, yes we have been unlucky with injuires and some decisions and had Arteta and Thomas been in the team I don't think that we would have lost against Swansea. Let's beat the Mancs!

  2. johnnyh

    Jan 16, 2012, 17:24 #17056

    you are STILL sitting on the fence mate? unbelievable. open your eyes.

  3. billdodgin

    Jan 16, 2012, 16:22 #17046

    What worries me, John, is how a lot of my fellow gooners will make the excuses that seem to absolve Wenger - injuries etc. He , for all his flaws, seems a nice liberal guy but it is as if we have become the dupes of an Orwellian Big Brother figure - the "Arsene knows" mentality. This is not about 2011/12 injury absences, or indeed dubious reffing decisions.This is a decline over several seasons. Ok- we are still in the Champs league - but do we honestly expect to progress any further than the last few seasons? Don't let me take your money.I cut the guy loadsa slack for the wonderful years, but I want a change now.It wont come as long as big shareholder/owners are being kept financially happy.The "insurance" millions are in the bank lest we fail to get top four. Like so many of their players and manager the Arsenal are underachieving and financially secure. The fans are the only ones hungry. '

  4. GoonerGoal!

    Jan 16, 2012, 16:12 #17043

    Get off the fence, the game is up, WENGER MUST GO! And he can take Almunia, Fabiansky, Mannone, Squillaci, Mertesacker, Djourou, Benayoun, Rosicky, Arteta, Arshavin, Gervinho, Walcott, Park, Chamackh, and all his coaching staff with him. It's time to call it a day, you know it makes sense...

  5. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 16, 2012, 15:30 #17041

    interesting piece john especially is it wenger or constraints from the board and an incredibly loyal man under stress that is probably one of the problems us fans have we don't know for sure who is at fault regards funds for players but there is no doubt who is taking all the flack and it also has to be said he is certainly doing himself no favours.

  6. allybear

    Jan 16, 2012, 13:19 #17011

    Mertesacker has been a weak link&its happening more&more. He is after all part of a poor squad. I see now where people are at last seeing the managers failings&i think its now very hard to make anymore excuses for him.

  7. RED FRED

    Jan 16, 2012, 11:23 #16992

    The last few seasons remind me of the days when i watched Ali and Tyson and many others in their later fights up against the ropes getting beaten and their reputations being tarnished not knowing their best was well behind them and being beat by average boxers.My point is i think Mr Wenger has lost his magic hat and no matter where he looks he cannot find it. I truly love the man as i did Bertie Mee,Terry Neil and George Graham and don't blame him for all our woes as i think he maybe a scapegoat for the penny pinching of the board but to see the same old deficiencies time and time again, year after year is tiresome.He had the perfect balance in 2002-2004 although they still managed to toss away games and trophies from a winning position but did not build on this squad, deciding instead to break it down.We did come close in 2008 but the usual problems crept in and have come close to a trophy since but to no avail.I have seen many trophies lost including cup winners cup 1980 and many others but this team in recent years seem bereft of the basics, whether it is Wengers tactical nous or the hunger and will of the players i don't know?Is it time for a new broom with fresh ideas is the question i am now asking myself because i would hate Wenger to further tarnish his legacy..

  8. Ron

    Jan 16, 2012, 10:26 #16980

    Ive always loved AW, but alas, hes now like King Canute (trying madly to hold back the waves) or Nero (fiddling while Rome burns). Ive always thought hes the Boards front man (a stooge since the stadium move for sure) and there to take the stick and hammer for that gutless lot. Hes mad for doing it in my view. Hes wealthy, hes got so much else in his life other than football too so he certainly doesnt need it. I worry that his tenure could result in him looking like a maddened, stubborn and frantic tyrant holding onto power just for the sake of it and as such, tainting everything so wonderful hes brought to Arsenal thats gone before. I shall never call for his head as ive never called for any of our bosses heads. Its a really hard job just managing a kids team (ive done it) and the pressures at his level must be immense. Im sure he has his moments when he wants out and iam of the view that he ll sever his time at Arsenal very soon, possibly this Summer. There wont be a dry eye in the house if he does go either. The fact is that team build job thats needed now is massive. Its flimsy from Keeper to front man. Im not sure at his age that Wenger will see it as his most burning ambition to re create a team that will make a genuine challenge again. There just isnt the time and does he have the energy anymore? Only he knows.Football has changed in so many ways over the last 8 years and much of that change is disagreeable to AW. I agree with him there too, but its what any boss has to wotk with today. It wont go back to what it was in the late 90s and early noughties for sure. When he goes, this Board will have to show its true colours and my guess is that if we think things are looking shaky now, they'll get much worse when that boardroom rabble have to cope with replacing him. Beware guys thats all i say. Im no great guru, but i said at the time and wont change my view in that the ground move rendered us potless for at least 10 years at least and possibly longer. I think im right there and the shambles at our great Club that will follow his departure will also come to pass i believe. I hope im wrong.

  9. Gman

    Jan 16, 2012, 10:16 #16979

    From the off you made yourself stupid with your comment “At centre-back, we have three players of the required calibre” You are as deluded as Wenger who hasn’t properly sorted out our suspect defence for over 5 years and makes up excuses all the time and isn’t gracious in defeat .Wenger is too much in his comfort zone, I don’t know any other job where failure would assure keeping your job, he’s gone stale and his attitude has rubbed off on the players. He won’t sign anyone in this transfer window because he believes it’s over priced at this time of year and the decent players are still playing in the CL. We need to get rid of Arshavin, Squallaci ,Chamack,Gervinho,Djourou and Rosicky who are not up to it and he needs to show some balls and demand a proper war chest of £100m from Kroenke and Gazidis or walk away from the job if he doesn’t get it.

  10. El-Piresidente

    Jan 16, 2012, 10:14 #16978

    Have you actually watched Mertesacker play? I got to the bit about him being good enough and decided I wasn't interested in anything else you had to say. Especially when you said "where would we be without his heading ability," without any irony. Never have I seen a taller defender win fewer headers.

  11. cam

    Jan 16, 2012, 9:13 #16977

    Time for a change. Shambles.

  12. CanadaGooner

    Jan 16, 2012, 8:06 #16973

    @Gary: I criticize wenger all the time (go back a read my previous posts). what i dont agree with is sacking a manager when you dont have a better solution. Sunderland sacked steve bruce when they knew O'niell was in the bag and it's paid off. our board wont sack wenger and that's that. so, if we sit about blaming him for a hopeless bunch of players who just wont pull their weight, what difference does it make? 7 years? are you mad? in those 7 years you mention, we've played in the champions league final, carling cup final and have had several chances at glory, but didnt take them: it's not like we've been fighting relegation for 7 years. it's fans like you that do my head in because you're just an empty barrel making the loudest noise. you dont have a credible solution, but you want us all to join you in your ill-advised crusade.

  13. Gary

    Jan 16, 2012, 6:54 #16971

    @CanadaGooner Knee-jerk reaction!! What have the last 7 years been then.Have you been living in a cave?The decline gets worse and worse.Fans like you do my head in.You refuse to accept where the blame lies.You are blinded to any criticism of our dictator.How much worse does it have to get for the penny to drop?

  14. Joe S.

    Jan 16, 2012, 4:12 #16968

    Canada gooner, we don't have the power but it's frustrating to watch. I don't see why 7 years without a trophy should not be an assessment of a managers worth. Good luck to you if you yhink this team has the character to make the top four this year. Me, I'll settle for sixth, and would be satisfied if I thought that the club is moving in the right direction and will bounce back. However, in your heart of hearts don't you ever think that perhaps Wegner has lost his Mojo and does not have the tactical nous to compete. Compare his attitude to that of Ancellotti. This guy gets fired for finishing second but says he will use his time off to learn and improve. Would our man Arsene have the humility to do this.? As for Arsenal INC. rolling in the millins on the backs of Asian tourists regardless of performances, then I'm not so sure. having lived in Japan for 15 years I know a bit about the Japanese obsession with brands. They are into AC Milan, Barcellona, Real Madrid, the Brazillian national team, even Man. U to some extent, but Arsenal are only a side show. Also having tought Thai, Malasian, Korean Students et al. I know that with them the English teams that matter are The Reds and the Red Devils. If Arsenal want to milk this market then they are not going to do it bt finishing in mid table.

  15. Danny

    Jan 16, 2012, 0:13 #16967

    guys, we are 5 years too late. wenger should have ben fired now its him. the wrong bloke is the owner and he will never cahnge. just look at his US franchises. we not buy any season tickets will not stop these idiots milking the team. only way, if anyone has any shares , sell them to the Russian, and let him get up 30% and open up the books, and tell us wher ethe money is going. Let him make the relevant noises at teh broad level. Its our only hope to this fool wenger out. peace....

  16. CanadaGooner

    Jan 15, 2012, 22:40 #16965

    @Joe S: I dont disagree with most of what you say, but a knee-jerk reaction mid-season wont help. there needs to be a solution that doesnt further impact our team detrimentally. do we have the power to replace kroenke, the board and wenger all at once? foolish if you think we do. as for the other commentator talking about abandoning season's tickets: arsenal's in London remember? they will sell all those tickets weekly on general sales! (chinese, japanese and other tourists will snap 'em up and probably make more noise than the current set of fans!)... we are now a business, not a football club

  17. Kilkenny cat

    Jan 15, 2012, 21:58 #16964

    what can be said that hasn,t been said a 100 times before. Its so predictable its boring. The answer is massive changes at all levels,but I have a feeling we will still be having the same debates in 12 months time

  18. DW Thomas

    Jan 15, 2012, 21:53 #16963

    Wenger just can't or won't change. Too many seasons of failure, too many ridiculous excuses. Ramsey is not good enough to run our midfield. How he can say January signings aren't good enough or needed is beyond a joke. He lives in his own empire but has lost it. Swansea beat us at our own game. Another sad day as a fan of this club. At least stop your bs excuses/comments Wenger!

  19. Trevor

    Jan 15, 2012, 21:26 #16961

    Bale VDV and Parker all cost less than we paid for both Walcott and Chamberlain.Quality does not cost £20-30m as Wenger keeps telling us. Wenger has been walking the green mile since 2008 he has now reach the chair.Its sad its going to end this way but Wenger has brought it all upon himself

  20. chrisy boy

    Jan 15, 2012, 21:11 #16960

    The buck stops at you wenger, and talking of bucks take stan and ivan with you, enough is enough, the club is turning into a joke, please help us mr usminov

  21. Joe S.

    Jan 15, 2012, 21:08 #16959

    Canada Gooner. Yes the squad is not good enough and the blame has to be put at the feet of the man( men) who did nothing all Summer break and then was caught with his pants down as to the realities of the season facing him. I don't think anyone on this site needs to be reminded of the past. The club's history and tradition are amongst the reasons why most of us will still be around after Wegner. But yes Canada Gooner changes at all levels would be a welcome thing. This is not any longer a promising squaad but an aging one of sometimes often ineffectual players who have run their course.The same as the men in charge.

  22. Kenny

    Jan 15, 2012, 21:03 #16958

    Judge Fred your correct the loss of CL money will be balanced by the sale of RVP.the only way to remove Kroenke Gazidis and Wenger is to boycott season tickets.But come June the sheep will renew.When will fans realise that our once great club is now a money making exercise for Kroenke and that winning trophies is the very last consideration.The whole season has been set out with the sole ambition of finish 4th now that will almost certainly fail.To think Ancelotti was sacked a year after winning the double

  23. Greg71

    Jan 15, 2012, 20:58 #16957

    no leader on the pitch who can or will drag the rest back up and push back on.this goes back to the manager,and this has got to chang

  24. Jack

    Jan 15, 2012, 19:52 #16956

    Swansea beat us by playing Wengerball.This squad is the worst under Wenger.His panic buys havent worked.See you on Channel 5 next season.Hopefully without the clueless Wenger.We need a new broom to sweep the rubish away

  25. Judge Fred

    Jan 15, 2012, 19:51 #16955

    Fozzys mate :"But does Kronke and the board really care?" Of course they dont care. The books are balancing - everything is fine in their garden.

  26. moosegooner

    Jan 15, 2012, 19:50 #16954

    You are dead right on Song. A real talent on the ball, for a man of his build, but a defensive liability. He switches off too easily (see Swansea's second goal) and he is a walking yellow card. He stands up and square when jockeying (remember Balotelli taking him to the cleaners at Eastlands ?) Teams have started trying to isolate players on the ball against him, one on one, because they know they can get some joy and at worst get him booked and possibly red carded. His lack of technique has never been corrected. Wenger believes athleticism trumps all in defence and ignores technique and organisation. It should cost him his job but I doubt it will. Song and theo should be binned while they are still highly rated and the cash used to deepen the squad.

  27. Fozzys mate

    Jan 15, 2012, 19:23 #16953

    Canada. Thanks for the riposte but after the last 5 games we have a lot more to worry about than online spats. Wolves, QPR, Fulham, Leeds and Swansea. 2 scraped one nil wins, a draw and 2 bad defeats. Manure next week and then a tougher run including champions league. Oh dear let's see where we are at the end of February. Personally I fear the worst. But does Kronke and the board really care?

  28. redboy

    Jan 15, 2012, 19:17 #16952

    Out played out worked OUT WENGER your time is up.We cant waste any more time with this tight ass clueless manager anymore its to painful

  29. Judge Fred

    Jan 15, 2012, 19:14 #16951

    Another pitiful overall performance by a club that is becoming a laughing stock. How many more games are we gonna be caught out by "sucker punches?". We never learn. Thanks for the memories M. Wenger but time to move on.

  30. CanadaGooner

    Jan 15, 2012, 18:49 #16950

    @Fozzy's Mate: trust me mate, i havent fallen into any trap - I am more than happy for people to disagree with anything i say: but objectively (as you usually do). but for someone to come on here and say the results from the 2010 season is in the PAST, when we spend months moaning about our team's past record is ludicrous and i'm sure you'll agree. when those sort of comments now become the majority as they appear to be (and more spurs fans making posts on here than gooners), it is hard not to show some annoyance

  31. Fozzy's mate

    Jan 15, 2012, 18:47 #16949

    For once OGL was bereft of excuses. Even he said in the last 2 games we made massive mistakes which could prove deadly. Jamie redknapp says finishing 4th with that squad would be his greatest achievement. They both speak as if he has nothing to do with putting together the worst squad in 20 years. 6.5 million a year, 120 million cash reserve and we can't beat, blackburn, fulham, swansea, wolves, the list goes on. The last 2 league performances are quite simply unacceptable.

  32. nugs

    Jan 15, 2012, 18:38 #16948

    Beaten by a technically better side today, considering it was swansea tells us enough. Thx for the memories wenger but your time is clearly up. No doubt mandy dodd and the other deluded fools on this site will be telling us how the ref was to blame again. By the way totally agree on song overrated by to many gooners but then again if eboue can be an icon here anyone can.

  33. Unbeaten 03/04

    Jan 15, 2012, 18:32 #16946

    I agree with most of the comments above except that of Song! You've got to give him credit of what he does. As the Arsenal Club as a whole, we need a whole revamp of Arsenal Club!! I would really start with Stan! and then Wenger to make it clear to him that Arsenal pay a qualified person on the financial side of thing so CONCENTRATE just on football and get the players that Arsenal need!!!!

  34. D

    Jan 15, 2012, 18:20 #16945

    Wenger: I can no longer support a man, that is turning the team I have supported and folowed around Europe for 40 years into a joke. I have backed wenger until now. I'm sick of watching my team under perform. Everyone can see that some player should not be anywhere the Aresnal first team. Yet Wenger plays them every week. Every Arsenal fan knows that we need new and better players than we have at the moment, that is apart from Wenger. As much as I hate to say it something needs to change. WENGER your time is up.

  35. Peter Wain

    Jan 15, 2012, 18:02 #16944

    I fever we needed an example of why we needed to spend money this afternoons performance shows it. Clearly the squad is sub stabdard there is a lack of creativity in midfield an over reliance on RVP and the toleration of Walcott and Arshavin who should not be in the club. The keeper is now making mistakes and this has cost us points in both the last away games. What price a victory against United sams old same old Wenger never learns.

  36. JCL

    Jan 15, 2012, 18:00 #16943

    Writing on the Swansea final whistle: thanks for the wonderful memories Arsene - but come on, your time really is up. I wasnt even angry, I expected it: that's the level youve brought us down to.

  37. simon

    Jan 15, 2012, 17:59 #16942

    I have had enough. This is the most mediocre Arsenal team in around 15 years. And I am charged a small fortune to watch a potential Europa league team. There is money in the bank. spend it.

  38. allybear

    Jan 15, 2012, 15:34 #16938

    HackneyGooner you are as entitled to your opinion as i am&you can think that we have a very good team but i beg to differ as i do about Mertesacker&Santos. Just because they are internationals doesnt mean they are top class. I happen to think he is a weak link&Santos may be good going forward but is dodgy defending. I still think 2 very good defenders are needed+a midfielder&striker!

  39. Dan h

    Jan 15, 2012, 14:42 #16937

    We do have a very good side when we all players are fit but very rarely will that be the case for us or any other team.Squad strength is lacking most would agree with that we will again have a fair amount of player movement in the summer.To just make a side point a forum is an open debate we all have an opinion but thats all it is & some posters need to remember that.

  40. frankie

    Jan 15, 2012, 14:35 #16936

    i love wenger and everything he has done for our club and would love to see him lift trophies for us again. we all knew it would be hard after the stadium move but the lack of investment in the last 5 years has cost us a good few trophies at least 1 league title for sure. we have 1 striker good enough to wear the shirt, compare that to man u. what i would love to know is were has all the millions gone from player sales.he produces great players fab nasri hleb adebayour clichy toure and were are the better replacements. if we could not achieve success on the pitch with these players how are we now that weve sold them all and bought cheaper replacements. the sad thing is arsenal are one of the richest clubs in the world but pretend were poor and cant buy top players all the while charging me more for my season tickit than barcalona charge there supporters.its all about the money getting by mugging off the fans and laughing all the way to the bank

  41. MrT

    Jan 15, 2012, 13:01 #16935

    Anyone who says "Surely we could accommodate Wayne Bridge as cover at left back for the remainder of the season?" is clearly talking rubbish!

  42. Paul

    Jan 15, 2012, 12:58 #16934

    Song sums up our club at the moment not good enough yet he starts every game.He is just average as is Djourou Squillaci Ro****ty Arshavin Walcott and Chamakh.The problem is too many fans have excepted mediocrity.Only when we finish outside the top 4 will the penny drop for wenger and his followers.But by then the horse will have bolted.But there's no way Wenger will be fired because he makes the club money.And thats what football is about isnt it?What you mean its about winning something?

  43. HackneyGooner

    Jan 15, 2012, 12:43 #16933

    Santos and Merts are not average players both are internationals?.Santos' technical level is up there with the best only his fitness levels go against him, which he can improve. Merts has played good just not as dynamic as ppl expected but thats not his game if you study his play his strength is postioning and interceptions. We have a very good team which will challenge on all fronts with few key signigs in summer. COYG!!!!!

  44. Dave

    Jan 15, 2012, 12:37 #16932

    At any other top club in Europe Wenger would have been sacked.

  45. Sim

    Jan 15, 2012, 12:07 #16931

    Be patient with Gervinho. Applying the same logic you would have sold offloaded Pires (Whom you rightly laud as world class) at the end of his first season. He was frustrating & less than spectacular until his second season. Your thinking regarding Song is more wayward than his passing.

  46. mj

    Jan 15, 2012, 12:06 #16930

    Very dissaponting to hear you say walcott is not a footballer. Everyone is entitle to his opinion but that's just being harsh. His form hasn't been good lately but he has contributed this season with a few crucial goals and assists

  47. allybear

    Jan 15, 2012, 11:30 #16928

    Good article John and Song is not a bad player he is just average&some people on this site are making him out to be better than he is. Also Walcott is a waster and it doesnt matter how fast he is if he is devoid of ideas,he has been given enough chances&any other manager would have gotten rid of him. Also disagree about Santos&Mertesaker,these two are very average players&anyone who knows football can see it clearly. On the whole the squad is not too bad but someone here sees it as very strong,what a laugh! No new players will be brought in by the so called professor.

  48. fozzy's mate

    Jan 15, 2012, 10:41 #16924

    John I fell off the fence long ago but am not sure if OGL is just the front man taking the brickbats for the denver dough trouserer and co. Re the rest of your article your madcap suggestion about moving a player who is becoming a very solid centre back into midfield is in my opinion absolute madness. Our problems date back in my opinion to when against PSV in the cl he moved toure to right back, gilberto to centre back to accommodate denilson in the middle. Ogl has moved players out of position in defensive roles before. Chelsea away a few years ago, sagna injured so toure to right back meaning senderos at cb costing us the league and champions league v liverpool. Canada gooner I am afraid you have fallen into the trap of so many others on this site. People don't agree with you so you throw your toys out. The site is for anyone who wants to to post opinion and then debate it. Your opinion is as valuable or not as anyone else. If not we just swallow the dross gazidis and co pump out as many did for years before the penny finally started to drop.

  49. Mike

    Jan 15, 2012, 10:40 #16923

    The players are good enough - the issue here is to get them to gel as a team instead of playing as individuals, which is slowly happening - injuries keep interfering with having a settled team - you can have as group of superstars but unless they play as a team then they mean nothing - You only have to look at recent Real Madrid teams to see that. Spurs don't have any better players than us, but as a team they are working well together. Wee need to do the same - who is accountable for that? Imo it is the manager and the players

  50. GoonerDave

    Jan 15, 2012, 10:31 #16922

    You question whether Wenger has been working under constraints, (which is likely, if you read swiss rambles report on our recent finances) and damn him for not spending. Seems a bit fickle. A tad harsh on Song, he has made some great assists as well as tackling well in midfield. I disagree about Cahill, I think he is over-rated, and looking for ridiculous wages. Hes been woeful this season. Your assertion that Koscielny should be holding midfielder is silly. Wenger and the staff see the players in training every day, but you are just playing football manager, no consequences for you but huge repurcussions for the management if they start to make radical changes like that. I think you should give more credit to the staff and players for the turnaround after such an awful start. And I also think you should take a step back for a while - your ramblings are becoming desperate, and sometimes without any point at all. In my opinion, we have far less money than we think. Removing our greatest ever manager and replacing him while we have little money to spend would be an utter disaster. We must play catch-up financially, I agree, but we are moving in the right direction. Top 4 is a must, but so is committed support and unwavering loyalty from us. We are battling clubs with money we can only dream of - a bit of perspective please!

  51. natty

    Jan 15, 2012, 10:26 #16921

    This article is all over the place, bit like the manager. lET ME MAKE IT CLEAR. Arsenal are in limbo, after the Birmingham cup final defeat last season Wenger's managerial cycle came to an end. The signings made in the summer indicate a short term policy, holding things together for this season. AW now utters words nobody takes seriously, for example, after the Fulham defeat. The problem now is with rise of the spuds the next manager is likely to start his reign without CL football. Lets hope Arsene goes with the dignity he deserves.

  52. Angelo1971

    Jan 15, 2012, 10:15 #16920

    What are you watching? Song is a great player. He's much better than last season. Yes he's still booked more often than he should be, but less so than last year and he has saved our arses quite a few times with his tackles. Not mentioning his assists. Get off his back. Don't Gervinho to Walcott. At least he can give assists. Walcott can't pass/cross/score = useless. Otherwise I agree with the rest of your opinion.

  53. yiannis

    Jan 15, 2012, 10:12 #16919

    Song makes an error in every 10 moves. The rest are usually spot on! You simply can not include Gibbs and exclude Song. Biased... at least

  54. David

    Jan 15, 2012, 9:54 #16918

    If Song's passing is so bad then how has he already got 8 assists this season? Please advise?

  55. Tonit

    Jan 15, 2012, 9:52 #16917

    I disagree with this article. for a start we have a strong squad and team morale is good. we had a tough start but Wenger has delivered us consistency when we lost our two best players. Not only that he signed OX and Gervinho Arteta, Pert, Santos. our younger players are stepping up we are in good shape! injuries happen to all teams but we are still there or thereabouts. you want another manager? i have a brother who supports Blackburn he will tell you about always chanting for the manager head! aprt from one or two clubs in the world who would not want Wenger?? Arsenal needs supporters not managers ....

  56. Peter Wain

    Jan 15, 2012, 9:50 #16916

    the trouble with sitting on the fence until March is that another season is over and it is likley that we will not be in the champions league next year. This gives the manager the perfect excuse not to bring in top quality additions. Wenger always talks about buy top top quality but then we buy Arshavin Squallaci Chamack and Park all of whom are not even championshp quality. We needed to spend big in this window and buy a top striker but as usual we do nothing and fall further behind other clubs. Is is a major discrace given our financial resources that our squad is much weaker than the scum. They regularly spend more than us and now the chickens are coming home to roost. Yank Gazidis and Wenger must all go now.

  57. Darren

    Jan 15, 2012, 9:27 #16915

    I think I've jump off the fence pal. But for some reason I'm just about holding on with one hand. Grip is getting weak though and won't be able to hang on much longer. The film Cliff hanger comes to mind! I believe we should keep Walcott. He is a good squad player. I'm gutted about arshavin, as we all know he is talented. The one thing that concerns me the most is wenger and his degree in economics. It is starting to effect our transfer movement. We are loosing out on players because of a few million. A good quality signing, this time of year would pick heads up. Even one world class signing every year would make a huge difference 3 seasons down the line. If this doesn't change, I hate to say it but, I will push for a new manager. Gunners for life.

  58. ugo

    Jan 15, 2012, 9:15 #16914

    you pretty much lost your credibility with the song paragraph. the fact that ramsey gets the benefit of doubt but song (who has been holding that midfield together, while arteta settled in and ramsey has been a passenger for the most part) doesn't,pretty much shows where your perspective comes from. we're all entitled to our opinions and wishful thinking, but they have to be based on fact. dont even waste yours and our time. go ahead and jump

  59. Bengooner

    Jan 15, 2012, 9:06 #16911

    You are right to a large extent but, I don't agree with you regarding the song situation, I very much think that you got it wrong there. Song has been one of our most consistent player in his position and so do not really agree with your analysis of him, you don't think his role in the team puts him in a situation of likely getting booked more than any other player? I don't think Walcott and Gervinho should be offloaded, I particularly think Walcott should be worked on as his speed is something of a real trouble to defenders, he just need to be more calm about his approach, same goes for Gervinho who is a thorn on defenders throats, he just need to work on his goal scoring ability and that mean being calm in front of goal. I think Frimpong can only grow up and work on his tackles while on loan, he has one attitude which so many players lack, hardly ever bullied by the opposition. Yes we need a loan signing especially in our defense and a striker as Henry is on a short term.

  60. CanadaGooner

    Jan 15, 2012, 9:03 #16910

    according to the morons on this site, it's all in the past. we're not allowed to talk about the past. so, no worries mate. it sounds like we have such a crap team and all our players are below par? we want it all: new owners, new manager, new players. sounds like alice in wonderland.... there are no magic wands anywhere mate. but hey, it's onlinegooner, where only negative comments are posted, and anyone who isnt negative is either an AKB or a fool (as i've been labelled often enough). what a bunch

  61. Mjmaxwell

    Jan 15, 2012, 8:34 #16909

    Pretty moronic comments about Theo and Gervinho. Theo got double figures in goals and assists last season but is in a bad run of form that has coincided with our RB injuries. Although JD has done a job his distribution is not in the class of Sagna and as a result Theo is not doing enough. As for Gervinho - compare his first season stats to Nasri and you'll see who the luxury player is. Agree we need a striker and ideally another Attacking Midfielder but I can see it happening.

  62. Gooner

    Jan 15, 2012, 8:34 #16908

    So wrong about song and Gervinho.whch games have u been watching lately?

  63. Shropshire Lad

    Jan 15, 2012, 8:22 #16907

    It does not matter what we think at this time. His Stubborness may well not sign anyone in this transfer window. Obviously, this is his perogative. However, if we lose out on the top 4 and Cups because of lack of quality in the squad, especially the lack of cover for Sir Percy, and a lack of goalscoring ability outside the great man then he will not be able to ride out the consequences. He has been and may be, a great Manager but if he thought last summer was his worst nightmare then if the disintegration of the challenge occurs then God help him because the vast percentage of Gooners will not forgive him especially if the Spuds prevail. He will have run his course but I sincerely hope that he will prove my fears unfounded and that his Rice replacement in the summer is inspired.

  64. Sleepy

    Jan 15, 2012, 8:19 #16906

    We've only got one Song.

  65. Talkinoutmyarse

    Jan 15, 2012, 8:14 #16905

    Cant agree with your comments on song - yes he is a bit woolly headed at times with his tackling but he is an integral part of our midfield . But rest of post I agree