Gooners must be careful what we wish for

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Gooners must be careful what we wish for

Stan: maybe the fundamental problems are higher up?


I find Talk Sport the intellectual equivalent of a game of marbles but, driving home from the Leeds Cup-tie still buzzing from Thierry’s marvellous return, I was surprised that Jason Cundy expressed very obvious disbelief when an Arsenal fan concluded by saying he thought it was time for Wenger to go. “Surely”, he asked, “there can’t be any other Arsenal supporters out there who feel the same”, making a quite reasonable caller feel fairly intimidated. Only when further Gooners, not convinced by having to call on a 34-year-old former hero to save us against a very average Championship side, supported the first fan’s call, did the penny begin to drop at Talk Sport Towers that there was a serious tide of dissatisfaction among Arsenal fans.

On Monday, I had an email from a Man United fan who was sitting at the E******s on Sunday among Arsenal supporters. He was actually quite shaken by the animosity from the fans towards Wenger when he took off Oxlade-Chamberlain. He felt there needed to be a sight more gratitude after all that Wenger had done for the club.

For me, the decision became clearer during the anaemic first half display against Stoke at the Britannia Ground last year. A side ostensibly contending for the title went into meltdown in the most gutless and unnecessary way. To lose to Stoke is unpleasant, but to be outplayed by them really indicated that the Wenger way wasn’t working any more. It was clear to me that what Wenger saw (or said he saw) was profoundly different from what was happening on the pitch.

So, as I went home after the game, I was pretty clear that we need a change of manager. I tried to take a straw poll of mates about who the new man should be. It was not an easy task. Whatever you think of Wenger, he has delivered Champions League football on a relative shoestring and his sides play some of the best football in the country. Would David Moyes, Alan Pardew, Paolo de Canio or Martin O’Neill be able to do both of these things? Of course that’s setting our sights too low. We are looking at Pep Guardiola, Jose Mourinho or Carlo Ancelotti surely? Really, would any of those three swap life with their current clubs to move to Arsenal? If not, surely we could identify the next European superstar - the Levante manager, Klopp at Dortmund or the Valencia coach. In last year’s Gooner survey, I had identified Andre Villas-Boas as my choice to succeed Wenger. Not such a great choice possibly? These European wonderboys aren’t all they are cracked up to be - remember Juande Ramos? Never mind: the answer is an Arsenal legend - Henry, Vieira or Tony Adams, fresh from his exile in Azerbaijan. The more you think about it logically, the more difficult it is.

But really, that’s not the major problem, huge though it is. The problem as I see it is that fundamental change is needed right across the club, and it begins at the very top. We are owned by an American who is seriously into building a massive empire of sports franchises. The problem is that a lot of them are fairly mediocre, and Kroenke remains aloof and silent as he calculates the minimum that he needs to do to protect his investment. He went from “not our sort” (what a hopelessly out-of-date and pointlessly elitist remark that was by PHW) to the partner of choice because he wasn’t a hard man from Russia who really wasn’t going to be their sort. In his one very enlightening remark about the Glazers, Kroenke has revealed everything we hoped not to know about his philosophy. Arsenal is a commodity protected by his man Ivan, who was obviously appointed as the guardian of Kroenke’s interests some time in advance of a fairly obvious put-up job. Danny Fiszman’s sad illness, and the decision to dispense with David Dein, got rid of any Arsenal-based dynamism on the board. As a result, we now have a club that is slowly and perceptibly declining as a major force while returning very tidy profits to Kroenke, who has a bigger task in rejuvenating the worst franchise in the NFL (which he is likely to uproot and remove to Los Angeles - fancy watching your future football in the USA?).

We have a hopeless, hapless embarrassment of a Chairman, a CEO being operated by remote control from 5,000 miles away, and an owner who is so bowled over by acquiring Arsenal that he’s watched us all of three times. I’ve watched them as much as that in a week!

So, even if Kroenke feels that Wenger has lost his lustre, who else is he going to appoint who is good enough to change all that needs to be changed on the field and who would be willing to work with a Board of Directors who have just let Wenger get on with it for far too long and have lost their competitive drive? Who would be happy to keep them competitive for a transfer budget that is dwarfed by the major clubs in the Premier League? Who would be willing to lose his best players on a regular basis because money, not success, is what really matters to Silent Stan? And we’re supposed to be grateful because he hasn’t dumped a mound of debt on the club...yet? Oh thank-you, Mr Kroenke; I only pay £3,000 a year for two season-tickets. Please let me know if it's not enough.

The Board and a lot of the supporters have been hoodwinked. Usmanov may not have the perfect CV, but at least he likes football and is an Arsenal man. So getting rid of Wenger is only the beginning of what might need to be done to revitalise the club. Oddly, thinking about it, I think Wenger, with a good coach, David Dein breathing down his neck, and Usmanov as an ambitious owner who will make Abramovich look like a miser, would be able to make Arsenal competitive again.

He needs to reinvent himself. All the innovation that he brought in 1996, the new diets and training methods, the statistical analysis and the emphasis on pace and power, have been copied by lesser men. All the brilliant networks with overseas contacts have been replicated by all the top clubs. Liverpool have 26 people working in their Academy and they are below us in the League. Can he do it? Personally, I doubt it but, although he has turned Arsenal into his personal fiefdom, he’d have to change with a new owner. That’s an even bigger problem than substitution by rote of the best player on the field for a useless Russian. It might be a different Russian who is the best hope of getting a successful club back.


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  1. gooner658

    Jan 29, 2012, 23:13 #17868

    I think it may be time for Arsene to move upstairs, but we must make sure that whoever takes over team matters, is competent. experienced and has the clubs best interests at heart, so I think that probably rules out Morinho and anyone else of his ilk. All they want is to spend money until they eventually get it right. The club has to come first. I think it is time to perhaps try and get Denis Bergkamp back. Also the club has not been the same since David Dein left, it does not take a lot of working out!!!

  2. Graham Yates

    Jan 26, 2012, 10:59 #17730

    Ah the Charlton syndrome!!! Let get Curbishley then. We can write off the coming seasons with a new manager anyway so yes it will get even worse. When a club is completely modelled on one mans philiosophy which has never changed in all the time he has been here is it any wonder we are where we are. Reinvention & Pragmatism are 2 things managers must have in the current game, Wenger has neither! Lets not blame Kroenke, lets hope he has the balls to do the right thing for my Arsenal Football Club.

  3. Henry

    Jan 26, 2012, 3:54 #17705

    As long as the financial constraints remain (5th wage bill in the league / net profit on transfers every season) anyone with 2 working neurons can see where we're headed, Wenger or not. If anything Wenger's been maintaining the illusion of grandeur and delaying the unavoidable for a few seasons.

  4. SIMON TAYLOR

    Jan 26, 2012, 1:50 #17704

    My God i think it`s over , i cannot take the myopia the defending of hapless players the fact that we started the season with a left back who when the game kicks off five or six of us pick minutes that he will leave the pitch . Wenger once used a fantastic line that we all think we have the best looking wife , that wife can`t cook any more and can`t arouse me anymore and i do not need more than one lousy wife .

  5. allybear

    Jan 25, 2012, 17:15 #17691

    To me its unfortunate that Wenger is so powerful@the club&has such an influence. Agree with you Colonel Mustard! I honestly think a new manager would lift the club but i also realise that he would be under certain restrictions. Still Wenger has to go at some stage but he will want to wait until the end of his contract. After all he is a multi millionaire!

  6. Rob

    Jan 25, 2012, 16:18 #17686

    No less an authority than the Highbury Spy said Kronke would be a disaster for Arsenal and time is showing him to be correct in that. But don't let's fall for the 'we'll die if Wenger leaves' argument. We won't. We were going for 110 years before he arrived and we'll carry on for another 110 years and beyond, after he goes. We need change on all levels and it has to start with the Manager. We are the only team in four divisions with identical coaching staff in the same positions for the last 15 years. That in itself is a massive condemnation of Wenger's lack of forward thinking and refusal to contemplate anything other than 'Yes Men'. It's time for a change !

  7. John Abrehart

    Jan 25, 2012, 16:01 #17685

    We must get behind the Club on the field in the short term, whatever we think of the managerial situation. All is not lost for what remains of this season. It is pointless going on about what has just happened, the FA Cup and 4th place are still attainable as I have said recently. From where we stand at this moment, either of those would be a considerable achievement - however, we do need that cover at full back and some of the injured players back with alacrity. Referring to 'Red Member's' comment about the Arsenal official website forum being closed down, has anyone noticed the subtle change in the official match reports on the Club's website over the last few games? A positive spin is being put on games which suggest we were hard done by and had much of the game, etc, etc, in fact just about mirroring the Manager's increasingly incredulous post match interviews. The MOM item has also dissapeared, as someone else has noticed. Don't say that Le Prof or another management lackey is controlling this as well? I have been watching the Gunners since the late 50's and although I know that we have to keep up with the times, (I am not suggesting that we bring back the Met Police Band at HT), some decline towards rampant commercialism is inevitable. But at least we expect The Arsenal to retain it's class. The situation with the Stadium food and drink, programme, too loud pop music, screaming announcer when the team is introduced or when(?)we score and by introducing players by forenames only, letting the crowd say the surname (copied from Bayern Munich), is to me a steady decline of the standards previously set by Arsenal. Oh for the measured tones of the announcer at Highbury during the 60's, when I believe we were about the last club to introduce pitch side advertising. Boring aren't I? To me, it is the influence of the Yanks that needs sorting. If we are unable to achieve anything of importance by the last home game, we should demonstrate against the owners, en masse, placards and all that. Alternatively, just don't turn up. The club sacked Billy Wright when I believe about 8,000 turned up at a 50,000 capacity Highbury.

  8. CanadaGooner

    Jan 25, 2012, 15:53 #17684

    Peter I agree with you with regards the obvious difficulty of replacing Wenger, especially as the current owner & board havent showed us they are capable of making sound decisions (late foray into the transfer market last window, nothing done so far this window and the choice of players brought in over the last 6 trophyless seasons, when it was so obvious which areas need reinforcing) However, to answer your question more directly: the elite managers out there will NEVER join Arsenal as their circumstances at their current club presents a much better situation. Furthermore, they are used to the luxury of being able to buy whichever player they want to buy. If we fail to qualify for CL next season that will also impact the type & calibre of players we attract. We are no longer an elite team, so thinking about the elite managers is simply foolhardy. We should either look to an ex-gooner or bring someone like Martin O'neill in, which wont be too detrimental as we're now in the league of the aston villas, evertons and swanseas of this world (seeing we could only secure a point against Fulham this season!) and all we will get is a manager of that standard and perhaps the re-building process can start. But that is the reality for everyone screaming for Wenger to leave. I am resigned to that situation (as I pointed out in my last article) and although I am not with the folks screaming for Wenger to leave, I think he should do the right thing and resign (without being pushed) at the end of the season as I dont see 2012/13 being any different nor the seasons after, if he remains in charge. However, I have no doubts whatsoever that in the seasons after his departure we will all wish the club hadnt been stupid enough to let him go. Life goes on though

  9. the stoat

    Jan 25, 2012, 15:01 #17679

    I sit and read as much Arsenal related news that i can.weather its an Arsen knows best, someone that wants him out or the media,there is one word that stays the same DONE which means to me things he's DONE in the past there's not one word about how he is taking us forward.As for wanting him out im still not sure but i do know that the player's we lost in the summer to the one's we bought are mark's of a man that might be on his bike?

  10. Mike

    Jan 25, 2012, 14:49 #17677

    Please read. Mention is made in one of the comments of how Benitez's Liverpool started playing better football than Arsenal in 08/09 debatable but lets say it is true - Liverpool went and fired Binetez and got in a second rate manager and things went from bad to worse. They then fired that manager and called on a Liverpool legend "King Kenny" to fix the slide (a man who had previously managed a premiership winning team, Blackburn). Adams, Bould or Bergkamp anyone? The fans were happy - he did the right things and sold the dead wood and brought in a crop of expensive well payed english players (Carrol, Downing -that midfielder from Blackpool) - the fans were happy - but as the season has gone on there has been a string of dismal draws and defeats - the fans are now not so happy and are beginning to turn on that Liverpool legend. Now despite the shake-up, buying of players they still are below us and are in worse shape -perhaps there is a lesson there to be had. Something to think about perhaps?

  11. Dan h

    Jan 25, 2012, 14:46 #17676

    AW has had far too much control at the club it was a policy that was always going to return to haunt us at some stage.Times have moved on he was in his pomp when the french & african transfer markets were undervalued & poorly scouted likewise fitness & diet the rest have caught up.Players are still identified the scouting system reports recommendations to AW who has become too indecisive in the market.

  12. Dan

    Jan 25, 2012, 14:30 #17674

    Wenger's done,there too much water under the bridge now,it's not kroneke who drills the defence,it's not kronke who can't beat birmingham in a cup final,it's not kronke who lets a Four goal lead slip away. IT's WENGER.

  13. johnnyhawleylovinggooner

    Jan 25, 2012, 14:06 #17673

    good post. the board have to help the manager now. Stan needs to come show his hand and invest in top players. they are leaving AW to take the flak . Everton have been truthfull with their fans on the money situ Arsenal need to do this now. There are too many clever money men at the club for a total crisis of confidence on the money situ but us simple fans need a sign. will anything happen? maybe not untill the cold war in the board room plays out.Mr Kroenke and MR Usmanov please come to some kind of a deal.

  14. Gee

    Jan 25, 2012, 13:38 #17668

    I still think it is a combination of no football men being at the club anymore and the fact that it is Wengers club. You say freshen up the coaching but Wenger won't. No one in our club will tell or force him to either. Wenger interviewed Gazidis for his role. The celtic CEO was the man the board wanted but basically he wasn't comfortable with not being in charge of Wenger. Gazidis publicly stated to the Arsenal Supporters Trust that Wenger is accountable to the fans. He got laughed out of the room before back tracking and saying he is accountable to the board. BullS**t Ivan, you're first answer was the right one. Wenger answers to no one at the club. He runs it from top to bottom. People say the board made a mess of the deals in the summer, but this is all on Arsenes say so. He fully controls the purse strings, again, Gazidis has publicly stated this. Saying it would be impossible not too include wenger in negotiations and setting budgets for prospective tfr fees. It's wengers club. The end

  15. sparksy

    Jan 25, 2012, 13:28 #17667

    George Graham took over in 86 when manager of Millwall. An untried manager of a 2nd division team and he turned into arguably the best of Arsenal managers, so why should "we be careful of what we wish for". There are a hundred and one managers out there who would love to manage our club. The club was here long before Wenger and willbe after him but i do agree the board need to go with him. A clean sweep to clear the thieves out of the boardroom.

  16. Dan

    Jan 25, 2012, 12:56 #17665

    I have copied and dated all of my posts dating 3 years back when Kroenke first became PHW's new best friend. I researched Kroenke and his business and saw no difference between him and a worse type of Glazer! As for Gazidis, Hill-Wood and co I have completely no respect for them whatsoever. Usmanov has spoken out re AFC far more than our so called owner, he is the only one to have come up with proposals for investment in the squad and for me is the only hope we have of once again becoming a Big club with a big mentality. Because at the moment we are a big club heading towards medium club with a small club mentality. SACK THE BOARD, SOS USMANOV

  17. Red Member

    Jan 25, 2012, 12:39 #17664

    excellent post. I have been making these similar points on the online gooner forum until I was banned, so you have to wonder who is controlling that! It is strange too that the official Arsenal website forum also closed down shortly after Kroenke took over. The club is obviously trying to prevent criticism. No question that Wenger has his faults but the bigger problem at the club is the board.

  18. Tony Evans

    Jan 25, 2012, 12:33 #17663

    I agree that Wenger's ideas which worked so well up to 2004 have now been copied by others, but more importantly, have been forgotten by Wenger. Power, pace and a mixture of youth and experience - we had it all and we can't use the excuse of the stadium debt to excuse his failings now. He has bought, backed and overpaid too many wasters and some of his tactical decisions border on the insane. I am surprised you dismiss Martin O'Neil so readily. Potentially I think he could have done a great job at Arsenal and would have shaken up the board at the very least, which is probably why someone of his temperament will not be appointed. The whole club needs a shake up I agree, not just a new manager. The great pity is that, as usual, we have 5 or 6 potentially great players but under Wenger that is all we ever have now and he seems unable or unwilling to turn us in to the finished article. It is definitely time to give someone else a go.

  19. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    Jan 25, 2012, 12:32 #17662

    People are trying to scare monger by saying who else could come in. Change certainly benefitted United when they brought in Fergie, Chelsea didn't do bad when they changed to Jose, then to Carlo, the Mancini change at City looks a good as does the change at Spurs with Harry and at Newcastle with Pardew. Cardiff changing from a succesful Jones to Malky last night also looked a good idea. Business's (which we are now) have to change with the times to keep up. Ask Nokia and Kodak or good old Woolies.And for those that scoff at suggestions from others about which manager could possibly take over from Arsene when you compare their respective records please bare in mind that no one had heard of Wenger until he took over at Arsenal. Another good change

  20. Matthew

    Jan 25, 2012, 12:31 #17661

    "his sides play some of the best football in the country" - No they don't. This is a myth. Arsenal haven't played consistently good football since the 2007/08 season. Since then Benitez's Liverpool (08/09) and Chelsea's double winners (103 league goals) have played better football and even Swansea have got in on the act too. Arsenal play tedious, ineffective, laborious sideways football. Wenger is incapable of changing his methods. He is running the team exactly the same way that he did in 1996 but he doesn't seem to realise that football has left him behind.

  21. Ronster

    Jan 25, 2012, 12:30 #17660

    How can anyone continue to endorse a manager that refuses to address the bleedin' obvious...a squad that lacks mental and physical toughness,a style of play that lacks flexible tactics and a squad that doesn't have a clue about the art of defence.It's not as if Wenger hasn't been given time to address these shortcomings.He inherited players that had these qualities in abundance and the fact he has abandoned this Arsenal ethos is enough for me to hand him his long overdue P45.It's pathetic that there are Gooners out there who are scared of a Wengerless Arsenal.Man up!

  22. mark from aylesbury

    Jan 25, 2012, 12:11 #17657

    Im glad I read your article because the title of it made me think "oh not again". A point you mentioned about Jason Cundy brought to mind Paddy Barclays recent grandiose attack upon Arsenal supporters, more or less saying how dare you and know your place. I think the smell of cordite is in the air and there is simmering revolution. Unfortunately I think this has become a failed marriage and sometimes you do just need change for changes sake. For what my opinion is worth I thought this was a well balanced article. Lets just hope the light is darkest before the dawn.

  23. Sarge

    Jan 25, 2012, 12:11 #17655

    It's a vicious circle. How far does the footballing side of the club need to decline before affirmative action is taken? What is the tipping point? What happens if the tipping point is exceeded requiring substantial investment to even give us a chance of returning to former glories? Howe do we pay for that? To break this cycle requires someone with a footballing vision and bottle (and I don't mean the current vision of trying to make silk purses out of sows over and over again and seeing it constantly fail.) No-one at executive or board level has either. A bunch of listless geriatrics and a CEO with a limited mandate. I agree there a some serious issues throughout the club. However, the first port of call needs to be to address the decline on the football side before this club and its sustainable model (a deeply flawed one at that) disappears up its own derriere through our failure to compete effectively and up our chances of actually winning a trophy.

  24. Ron

    Jan 25, 2012, 12:08 #17654

    Good post. The change throughout is needed. Wenger isnt solely culpable and those who say he is are so mistaken. Culpable certainly but the truth lies somewhere between him and the Boardroom. His trouble is that hes trodden the centre path betwee the two for so long hes forgotten what his job actually is. More importantly, the players arent sure what he is either! Do they see him as on their side or just the money mens stooge? If theyre unsure, they will detach themselves from him and i think many of them have. Hes backed himself into a corner that he cant run from in my view, unless its the exit door in which case all these years end up with him looking as gutless as many of the players hes recruited in the last 6 years. Hes too proud to do that, the Board know it, he knows it yet the money still comes into the Club hence stagnancy reigns supreme and the status quo prevails.The product on the pitch declines. Something will bust in time to force change, just not yet probably.The catalyst will be more defeats and Tottenham cementing their superiority perhaps. Brace yourself boys and girls. It'll get worse before its gets better at Arsenal.Be sure about that. Thats how change has always happened at Arsenal in my lifetime.

  25. Rocky RIP

    Jan 25, 2012, 11:40 #17652

    I agree that our problems stem from the top. Wenger isn't the whole issue. (Has he suddenly become an average manager? Who can forget the chant of 'have you ever seen football played like this?' That was AW's side. He deserves more respect than he's being shown right now.) I also agree about the Dein and Danny Fizsman point. It's no co-incidence that we've lost something since they both departed. Both were Arsenal men to the core with drive and ambition for a club they loved. Wenger is a lesser man without someone like Dein alongside him, managing him. Significant changes are afoot on the board. Let's pray we get people who will drive the club forward. I'm aware he's not perfect, but Dein signed Dennis Bergkamp and Arsene Wenger, arguably our two best aquisitions. Do you trust the current lot to snap up any future replacement for AW and get the right man?

  26. Steve Camfield

    Jan 25, 2012, 11:34 #17651

    What an excellent, lucid article. I agree with everything said, and keep a lookout for the very young manager at Espanyol who is doing an excellent job with a young team, especially the defence.

  27. chrisy boy

    Jan 25, 2012, 11:15 #17649

    you cant teach an old dog new tricks, as the saying goes, And wenger im afraid is that old dog, he wont admit to making a mistake at one substitution let admit hes got it wrong for the last 5 seasons ! We need a change from top to bottom, ownership, manager, medicle staff and maybe half the squad. As Arsenal fans we are not asking to buy torres for £50 million or pay players £220, 000 grand a week, but go for players that might cost between £15m - £25m and want £120,000 a week ( thats less than almunia, diaby and bentdners wage put together ) we should not be content with 4th place i want to see my club going head to head with utd again i want fergie to start slagging us off again because we are a threat once more, i want players to give there all when wearing our famous shirt and i want arshavin to **** off, is that to much to ask for !

  28. sleepinggiant

    Jan 25, 2012, 11:11 #17648

    Where oh where oh where does this cowering fear come from? How on Gods earth have clubs managed to replace managers over the years with this kind of attitude? If Wenger is not up to the job you replace him with someone who, AFTER CAREFUL DELIBERATION, the powers that be decide that is. I can make a case for 20 managers with ease. Some may succeed, some may not. But it is a natuaral part of football life to replace a failing manager. Yes a change above him would be an good step. But if you are advocating that, at least have the courage of your convictions to tell the whole truth. There is nothing wrong with Stan Kroenke as an indivicdual - He has the money, he just wont spend it - the true evil at the club is an adherence to a self sustainability model that, while wonderful in a fluffy safe pipe dream, is actually the only definite one way ticket to the kind of financial meltdown it purports to avoid in a cold commercial reailty. I have been writing in blogs for years that Arsenal could never get into diffiuclty over-spending. The only danger was underspending and a slavish adherence to a false rhetoric that the biggest and richest club in London was over-achieving when we were scraping 4th place!! The last 3 years have been the most embarassing I have gone through in over 40 years as an Arsenal supporter for precisely these reasons. Its time to realise who we are as a club. Its time to get back to the top.

  29. AFCasap

    Jan 25, 2012, 10:45 #17643

    ooh!!!....jason cundy, manu fans????...they have'nt had to listen to the lies and rubbish from the club and pay the highest prices in football or wait patiently mind !!!!...for 6/7 years, for the wenger vanity project to go nowhere!!! and this "on a shoestring" thing is the biggest pile of S*** the wage bill for wenger and his boys is massive, AFC have flushed millions upon millions down the drain on wenger's word, renewing rubbish players with new contracts???....anyway it's over, he's done...rip it up and start again

  30. Sam

    Jan 25, 2012, 10:34 #17642

    you need to spend a bit more time googling "Usmanov" imho. As for Wenger going, I think he will go at the end of his contract and we will get his reputed nominated successor, Stokjovic, who is a successful manager, albeit in the J League. What on earth makes Arsenal fans think that if there's no money for world class players (while we are in the CL so could sign them, in theory) that the Board will sign up a world class manager? The future looks like a battle for 4th place or Europa League and I blame Wenger and the board equally for that. It was avoidable, even with our slightly lower pay structures. AW has dithered, then panic bought ordinary players, retained useless ones on high wages and is tactically totally naive in big games, compared to his rivals. Having said all that , I would be distraught if our great club sold its soul to Usmanov.

  31. Carlos

    Jan 25, 2012, 10:13 #17641

    I have to agree with virtually everything you have said. I'm sure most people picked up on the fact that the fees to finance Kroenke's takeover, about £3m (one home game's gate receipts)came out of the club's coffers - not his pocket. I do not see him as anything other than an acquirer of franchises**** for what reason, I don't know. The one thing I do take issue with is the constant myth that is trotted out regarding a shoestring budget. Arsenal's football expenditure is huge (wages + transfer fees) and has ballooned since the move to the new stadium. However, we find ouselves with a decent 1st XI when fit, a handful of capable back up players, and then players who are not fit for purpose. All this for the best part of £120m per year in wages. The manager is not making the best use of the financial resources at his disposal.

  32. Will

    Jan 25, 2012, 10:10 #17640

    Excellent post. The big picture gets lost in the nitpicking. I posted before. Apart from Byern Munich most of the other big clubs have preferential treatment ( spain) or massivley wealthy owners.The self-sustaning project is morally good and laudable but its a recipe for a sow death now. Liverpool are testimony to how difficult it is to get back to the top once you drop out. Spuds successs is a one off,there better players will leave next year for more money and they will drop back. Wengers expertise in the past has papered over this reality but sadly his decline is obvious for all of us to see. But unless there is a sea change at boardroom level and a change of philosphy no other maanager will do any better and the decline will continue with or without Wenger.

  33. John Gee

    Jan 25, 2012, 9:58 #17639

    Despite all of the personal criticisms of AW , Arsenal are still within touching distance of top four. And this with a list of long term injuries. Yes, that old excuse - but true. We had these comments after the first six games, and have them again now. Remember at Christmas we looked like Title Challengers, and will again when the injury list subsides

  34. Marc B

    Jan 25, 2012, 9:54 #17637

    At Arsenal we blame the players, the board, the CEO and somehow leave out the biggest culprit, the manager. Why are Arsenal fans so afraid of taking a risk? It's not as if we're progressing under Wenger. We've gone from winning the title, to not competing for it and now not even finishing top 4. Can't people see Wenger has regressed and going back further? It all has to end someday and it looks like this is the day. SO what we become mid-table, doesn't mean I will stop supporting, I just want to see the club try to do something about this fall from grace. Don't just sit there and tyy to sit it out with a manager who obviously has not adapted to today's football environment.

  35. legolas is furious

    Jan 25, 2012, 9:48 #17636

    i hate Kroenke

  36. Colonel Mustard

    Jan 25, 2012, 9:45 #17635

    Its all about Wegners outside pressures but the guy has lost it tactically and has done for a long while. We need a change and yes for change sake.