The Arsenal Dream Team?

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The Arsenal Dream Team?

Bergkamp: Didn’t make the cut!


Published in 2003 under the Club’s official seal, written by the team of Adam Ward and Dave Smith and compiling the views of hundreds of fans, The Official Arsenal Dream Team put together a fantasy eleven based upon the popular vote, in each position, of the Arsenal fans involved. The authors themselves acknowledge the difficulty of the decisions reached, as the greatest Arsenal team, unlike many others, cannot pick itself. In considering my own personal Arsenal dream team (which every Gooner has at some point), I find myself disagreeing with several of the choices made in this book, arrived at by the will of the Arsenal-loving majority, and wondered how many others feel the same way.

For the benefit of those who haven’t read the book, the popularly-chosen line up is as follows: Seaman, Sansom, Adams, McLintock, Dixon, Pires, Brady, Vieira, Rocastle, Wright, Henry. No doubt a great team, and one that I and any other red-and-white-bleeding fan would want to see. But the absolute best of the best, pick of the bunch? Personally, I don’t think so.

Although each of these names do rather suggest themselves as individuals, it is the combination of some that is the problem for me. Where two players would do the exact same job, the potential is there for a lack of balance. I approach this subject as if this team were to be fielded next week, and so will try to apply real-world logic to what is by design a fantasy set-up, and acknowledge this with no hesitation. Tony Adams did this in his (excellent) autobiography, “Addicted”, and I found that interesting. He really should go back and update that book – let’s be honest, he’s not terribly busy at the minute…

So could this team play together, the different time periods aside? Yes…probably. But what changes (if any) would you make?

In my opinion Seaman is the automatic choice. Though biased on account of my age (23), growing into perpetual Gooner-dom proper in 1993, the latter years of the Graham era, there has been no-one else since. As good and as popular as John Lukic was, Seaman has by all accounts gone further and done better. Lehmann had moments of brilliance and stupidity in at times annoyingly equal measure, while Almunia is good and solid but by no means world class just yet, which is not really a good thing for a keeper already over 30.

At the back, for me you simply cannot have both Adams and McLintock together, because the two men are just too similar. Both great and inspirational leaders yes, but for a team to work effectively there can only be one leader. That means choosing one of the two, and involves me putting my head in the lion’s mouth. Again, handicapped by my age, I spring for Adams – our most successful captain, and my sporting idol as a kid. Alongside him I would want someone described by Adams himself as calm, unflappable and never putting a foot wrong, so therefore Steve Bould.

With Dixon already on the right, and three of the old Back Four in this team, the temptation is to bump Sansom for Nigel Winterburn. I get the sense I’d be filleted for this by many a Gooner in many a pub, but think about it: this was our single greatest defensive unit, who played and trained together for more than ten years, and established a reputation that is still widely spoken of today. I would contend that each individual player was at their best when playing with each other, and so mainly for that reason I would make the swap.

Think about it – our current attacking quality backed up by this kind of stern rearguard? Magic…

The midfield quartet I have much less of an issue with, aside from sadly not knowing enough of Liam Brady or ‘Rocky’ Rocastle, relying basically on YouTube footage at this point. I emphatically agree with Pires and Vieira, and while I would’ve been tempted to put Fabregas in the middle and perhaps Ray Parlour (yes, I know!) on the right, I don’t feel nearly as strongly about these changes as I did the defence, and am about to with the forward pairing.

Wright and Henry. I know, it leaves me salivating too…but again, I think they’re too similar, and would get in each other’s way. The good news is I know without a shadow of doubt who should replace one of them – care to guess? Anyone who didn’t say Bergkamp, please hit yourselves with something heavy. Okay that’s a bit harsh, but still…

Bergkamp would be, and has been, the perfect foil for both of these men, to which Wright and Henry have both attested. His killer passing ability, his unparalleled technique and his own goal-scoring brilliance demand his inclusion, as he could both score himself and provide service to the other. With Pires also providing service, all you need is someone who can bang them away, time after time. Both Wright and Henry can certainly do that, as any montage video will prove to you, but which one will bust a gut and go after the hopeless cause, when all avenues of service have been cut off, and get a goal from nothing?

For me, it’s Wright. I know I’m probably against the majority here, but Henry can and has been isolated in the past, and can cut a forlorn and frustrated figure when he does not get that perfect ball. That does not apply for Wrighty, of whose energy and enthusiasm I have never seen the like.

So, let’s take a look: Seaman, Winterburn, Adams, Bould, Dixon, Pires, Brady (or Fabregas), Vieira, Rocastle (or Parlour), Bergkamp, Wright.

What do you think?


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  1. lord admiral

    Feb 06, 2012, 1:50 #18231

    That I've saw Best; Seaman, Rice, Adams, McLintock, Sansom, Vieira (to complete the last five Arsenal captains to lift a trophy) Brady(L), Pires (C), Merson (R), Bergkamp, Henry Worst; Woods, (Colin) Hill, Caesar, Cygan, Gallas (based on attitude and captaincy), Helder, Schwartz, McGoldrick, Vaesan, Chapman (Lee), Hawley Schwartz may be a shock to many as he was a class act but I really felt he let Arsenal down in the season he was at Arsenal. Likewise, I'd have put Arshavin on the left for the same reason had Glen Helder not been really really bad.

  2. Andrew Cohen

    Feb 04, 2012, 9:17 #18179

    Don Froth. Very, very funny.

  3. dvsgooner

    Feb 04, 2012, 9:04 #18178

    (3-5-2) Kelsey | McLintock, Adams, Hapgood | Brady, James, Vieira, Mercer, Bastin | Bergkamp, Henry

  4. Sean

    Feb 02, 2012, 21:08 #18120

    HOW CAN HENRY NOT BE IN THE BEST XI?

  5. Peter

    Feb 02, 2012, 19:00 #18114

    I do not understand why Jennings is picked at all. true he was a great keeper but for the scum. He came to us at the end of his career when he was only a good goal keeper. Wilson Seaman and Kelsey were all better than him playing for Arsenal

  6. ed enough

    Feb 02, 2012, 18:36 #18110

    An Arsenal dream team without Henry......jog on mate.

  7. Brigham

    Feb 02, 2012, 9:46 #18058

    For me it would have to be...Seaman, Sansom, McLintock, Bould, Dixon, Pires, Vieira, Brady, Rocastle, Bergkamp and Henry. Subs would be; Jennings, Parlour, Wright, Adams, Winterburn.

  8. Rocky RIP

    Feb 02, 2012, 9:37 #18052

    How about a bargain Wenger 11? In the days before he seemingly lost his 'magic hat'. Oh for those days when he'd pluck us a bargain of a player capable of winning titles. This 11 would be worth one of Andy Carroll's buttocks in the transfer market, but constitutes a very good side .. Lehmann (exact figure? It wasn't big) RB - suggestions? Toure (150,000) Campbell (free) LB - Cole (free) isn't really allowed, suggestions? M - Llungberg (3 million) M- Vieira (3.5 million) M - Fabregas (signed as a 16 year old) M - Petit (2.5 million) F - RVP (2.75 million) F - Anelka (0.5 million)

  9. shay

    Feb 02, 2012, 5:18 #18039

    goes to show a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.....

  10. Bergy

    Feb 02, 2012, 2:55 #18038

    The solution is play all three! For me Bergkamp and Henry are the 2 greatest Arsenal players of alltime so there's no way they won't make the cut. I'd remove Rocastle and put Henry on the left flank with Pires on the right. Wright up front with Bergkaamp just behind

  11. 7th heaven

    Feb 01, 2012, 22:48 #18036

    say no more

  12. Greg71

    Feb 01, 2012, 22:29 #18034

    Remember the book and contributed with my own choice actually basing my choices as a team who had potential to play together,after tonights game a name that hasn,t cropped up much in this pole came to mind who scored a whole variety of goals and two golden boots as well yes Alan Smith ! Certainly,a squad member of the last thirty years team.

  13. Inspector Clueless

    Feb 01, 2012, 20:21 #18033

    canadagooner - we squandered what we had, which is world class players until 2006 - we decided instead to get World Class £400m debt and build a world class stadium - so yes it WAS very much within our powers to remain a top 4 side BUT the shareholders, board plus Whinger opted for the money, the profits, turned it into a business and now the next years will be about how that was the wrong decision

  14. Terry Neill

    Feb 01, 2012, 20:20 #18032

    After much thought, how about this XI? A mixture of potential, promise, mental strength and (footbaling) brains. Fabianski, Eboué, Squilacci, Stepanovs, Silvestre, Walcott, Inamoto, Denilson, Owusu Obeye, Aliadiere, Hawley

  15. johnnyhawleylovinggooner

    Feb 01, 2012, 20:20 #18031

    i was enjoying this untill i realiesd perhaps only one of the present mob would get in the team.ie rvp Maybe in a few years some of the others could join.

  16. CanadaGooner

    Feb 01, 2012, 20:09 #18030

    well, Nostalgia-makes-you-feel-better, welcome to the real world. It's not our birth-right to finish in the top 4, we have to work for it. How do you think Spurs fans have felt for most of the last 20 years? I dont begrudge them their chance to play CL again (they did quite well their first time ever few seasons back), Man City didnt even make the knock-out stages; so, qualifying for CL is one thing, doing well in it is quite another. The way Chelsea are going right now, it's not too wishful to think we might beat them to the 4th spot. if we can concentrate and get a string of wins together.

  17. Mark

    Feb 01, 2012, 19:58 #18029

    cole is by far the best left back weve ever had. steel of Winterburn plus the flair of Samson. he was a top man. but oh hum we got £5m plus Gallas so fair deal........NOT !!!

  18. Shropshire Lad

    Feb 01, 2012, 19:56 #18028

    Ron, great team choice. I still have a picture in my office of Joe Baker scissor kicking a goal against WBA at Highbury and I remember his hatrick against Wolves in a 5-4 win scoring one with each foot and one with his head. Magic memories. Should not underestimate how good Jack Kelsey was between the posts.

  19. Nasir khan

    Feb 01, 2012, 19:36 #18026

    Bob Wilson (GK),lee dixon(RB),sol Campbell(CB),vermaelan(CB),winterburn(LB),pires(RW),viera(CM),fabregas(CM),theo walcot(LW),henry(RS),van persie(LS).inthis team u can find speed,steel,workrate,leadership,in other words everything a team needs

  20. RDT - 4

    Feb 01, 2012, 19:32 #18025

    How about this for an all-time worst 11: Fabianski, Gibbs, Mertesacker, Djourou, Squillachi, Rosicky, Diaby, Gervinho, Arshavin, Benayoun, Chamakh...oh..err..hang on..

  21. Nostalgia makes you feel better

    Feb 01, 2012, 16:34 #18022

    i can sympathise with the need to live in the past because arsenal fans feel so unsure about the present and future. the prospect of spurs finishing 10-20 points ahead of us is real and them in the CL and us not. LFC 5th but having won the cup. it is all pretty bleak today.

  22. David Stewart

    Feb 01, 2012, 16:25 #18021

    Based on the last 30 years & keeping players in their natural positions: Seaman, Dixon, Adams, Keown, Winterburn. Rocastle, Vieira, Fabregas, Pires. Bergkamp, Henry.

  23. HowardL

    Feb 01, 2012, 16:04 #18020

    We all have our favourites from different eras but to encounter the words 'Almunia' and 'world-class' in the same galaxy let alone the same sentence is certifiable. To leave out Henry is just plain clumsy. I'll stop there.

  24. Paul

    Feb 01, 2012, 15:48 #18019

    Every greatest Arsenal team must have Adams Vieira Brady Bergkamp and Henry in it there can be no arguement about them.Wrighty was great but never in Henry's class.Big Pat would be my keeper in front of Seaman

  25. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 01, 2012, 15:27 #18018

    James we all know this site is about opinions and every body is entitled to one but you destroyed your article before it even got going when you said almunia is good and solid.

  26. Ron

    Feb 01, 2012, 15:20 #18017

    Theres always one who lowers the tone isnt there 'rolypoly'. All bow to the almighty, omnipresent, omnicompetent one. Just peoples views mate, thats all they are ffs!

  27. don froth

    Feb 01, 2012, 15:18 #18016

    i'd have mark flatts over pires all day long and if raphaele meade did'nt have to flee north london a bit lively, then he'd have been better than both wrighty and henry put together!

  28. Mike

    Feb 01, 2012, 15:11 #18015

    Different generations will choose different players. Surely there must be someone from the all conquering 30's teams that must come forward to. Anyway probably easier to break it up into post 2000 : 1970 - 2000 : 1930 - 1970 or something like that - surprising very few pundits for the likes of Charlie George - no mention of Alan Smith or Stapleton either......

  29. Mick Appleton

    Feb 01, 2012, 15:06 #18014

    Jennings, Sansom, Adams, McLintock, Dixon, Overmars, Pires, Vieira, Fabregas, Bergkamp & Henry - on the bench - Brady, Wright, Bould, Charlie George & Wilson, now that's what I call a team.

  30. Mandy Dodd

    Feb 01, 2012, 14:31 #18011

    I'd have SuperMac on the bench

  31. Goonanana

    Feb 01, 2012, 14:13 #18010

    Just how good was Rocky? No offence intended but if he hasn't sadly died young and had such a love for and understanding of what the club means, would he be held in such high esteem purely on his playing ability? I'd certainly go for Brady, Freddie or Overmars ahead of him in midfield based on my knowledge. For the record I think: Seaman, Dixon, Adams, Campbell (Mk1), Samson, Pires, Vieira, Fabregas, Brady, Henry, Bergkamp

  32. Masochistic Gooner

    Feb 01, 2012, 13:50 #18009

    Almunia - Luznhy, Caesar, Stepanovs, Sylvestre - Helder, Denilson, Alberto Mendez, Malz - Jeffers, Diawara. ***shivers***

  33. rolypoly

    Feb 01, 2012, 13:11 #18007

    anyone who picks wright over henry is a fxxking idiot. are you so stupid not to have realised best thing to have happened in 97-98 2nd half of season was wright being injured . had he stayed fit no way would arsenal have done double. fact is apart from 2nd half of his first season, team`s goals per game ratio radically declined during the wright era because everything centred on him to the detriment of the likes of alan smith. great individual player was wrighty but was never a team man. henry scored more made more won more, did it at world level .- wright was not fit to lick henry`s boots

  34. Stevesam

    Feb 01, 2012, 12:54 #18005

    Wilson,Dixon,Bould,Adams,Winterburn - Pires,Vieira,Bergkamp,Brady - Wright,Henry

  35. Matt

    Feb 01, 2012, 12:51 #18004

    "Almunia is good and solid", am I reading this right?

  36. Mitesh

    Feb 01, 2012, 12:44 #18003

    Seaman, Dixon, Adams, McLintock, Samson, Ljungberg, Brady, Vieria, Pires Henry, Bergkamp

  37. Graham Simons

    Feb 01, 2012, 12:36 #18002

    Parlour in for Rocky?!!! Really?! no way in hell. Parlour was a good workhorse but Rocky stood out like a sore thumb in our late 1980s team just because he oozed class and skill that the others just didn't have. Also, you can actually play Bergkamp with Henry AND Wright, you just play a 4,3,3!

  38. Judge Fred

    Feb 01, 2012, 12:30 #18001

    An alternative XI: Bob Wilson; Viv Anderson; Bob McNab; Martin Keown; Peter Simpson; Cesc Fabregas; Manu Petit; Steve Williams; Marc Overmars; John Radford; Malcolm MacDonald.

  39. Stephen Camfield

    Feb 01, 2012, 12:25 #18000

    Jack Kelsey was the best Arsenal goalkeeper I ever saw, better in my opinion than Seaman. Also, I would definitely put McLintock ahead of Bould any day, also Keown. I would never consider Rocastle to be good enough to make any "best of" team, he was a good player, but nothing more than that. As a pure winger, which I think is needed in this team, no one was better than Armstrong who was such a great servant for Arsenal and always tends to be ignored.

  40. Stuksta

    Feb 01, 2012, 12:25 #17999

    Almunia; "good and solid".....really, when?!

  41. AFCIC

    Feb 01, 2012, 12:24 #17998

    Seaman, Cole (yes I know!), Adams, O'Leary, Dixon, Rocastle, Vieira, Fabregas, Overmars, Bergkamp, Henry.

  42. Wylie

    Feb 01, 2012, 12:18 #17997

    Lehman, lauren, Toure, campbell, Cole, parlour, Vieira, Gilberto, Pires, henry, bergkamp - INVINCIBLE as a team

  43. WestUpperRed

    Feb 01, 2012, 12:16 #17996

    Seaman, Winterburn, Adams, Campbell, Dixon, Pires, Vieira, Fabregas, Ljungberg, Bergkamp, Henry. Subs Lukic, Bould, Cole, Petit, Rocastle, Parlour, Wright

  44. Ron

    Feb 01, 2012, 12:00 #17995

    Peter - My Dad waxed lyrical on Alex james too, but was a bigger fan of Bastin when it came down to it! Take your point on Wrighty, but Henry was just too much of a sulker for me when things didnt run for him. Great player and hard to ever leave him out. Joe Baker rattled goals in while playing in a poor team too. Neither Wright or Henry ever did that.

  45. Rocky RIP

    Feb 01, 2012, 11:58 #17994

    It staggers me when people leave out Henry or Bergkamp. They played together in our best side ever. Complimented one another perfectly and are our 2 finest and most talented players of all time. It's not even a contest in the front two positions of a 4-4-2. Ian Wright ahead of either of them? Sorry, but no.

  46. Andy

    Feb 01, 2012, 11:47 #17993

    no henry is a fail from the off. wrighty is a legend and one of the best finishers I've seen, not not in the league of Thierry.

  47. king gooner

    Feb 01, 2012, 11:46 #17992

    i think you'd have to do a pre-war 1945 & post war-otherwise how could anyone dismiss wee alex james,ted drake or eddie hapgood-legends,worldwide, in their era-had their been a european cup then we'd have pissed it & prob we'd be talked about in the same breath as real madrid-however,post war is what most will remember-1 would plump for on "talent"alone 442-jennings in goal,dixon,adams,o'leary,sansom,viera,ball,brady & charlie george,with the two kings up front denis & thierry-that lot would be more than invincible!

  48. Jonathan

    Feb 01, 2012, 11:22 #17990

    i think that paul pogba was a good prospect in the 1960's, he got at least 2 goals every game

  49. Paulyt33

    Feb 01, 2012, 11:17 #17989

    Leaving Henry out just lessens your whole piece ....ridiculous , he was simply the best ever player in the premiership never mind Arsenal . Not wishing to be disrepectful to Ian wright who was a great player but never, never was he in Henrys class.I also think Rocky ( a true Arsenal great ) , Was he as good as Parlour , Pires , Overmars or Limpar ???

  50. Aaron

    Feb 01, 2012, 11:05 #17988

    Did you just mention Almunia in this debate? article over

  51. Michael

    Feb 01, 2012, 11:00 #17987

    Henry over wright and Overmars has to be in there

  52. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Feb 01, 2012, 10:53 #17986

    No Henry? got to disagree there. Ljunberg should be ahead of Parlour and Ca$hley was so much better than Winterburn

  53. Dave

    Feb 01, 2012, 10:52 #17985

    Jennings(best keeper i have ever seen)Dixon Adams McLintock Cole Viera Petit Brady Bergkamp Henry Pires

  54. Andrew Cohen

    Feb 01, 2012, 10:36 #17984

    Not David Seaman, I'm afraid. Rapunzel lost us the 2003 season almost single handed. Pat Jennings instead. Easily. The famous back four and then whoever you like so long as I.E. Wright, (Arsenal and England)is inducing terror at the front.

  55. Leo zis

    Feb 01, 2012, 10:30 #17983

    Sheer class you selection mate :)

  56. John Abrehart

    Feb 01, 2012, 10:28 #17982

    No real complaints with the outfield by and large James, perhaps the odd tweak here and there. But as for the goalkeeper, I can balance your youth with a bit of experience, having seen my first game at Highbury in 1957. So, Jack Kelsey for me, too many lobs over the head of 'safe hands' live in my memory!

  57. Billy Howe

    Feb 01, 2012, 10:27 #17981

    Seaman, Dixon, Adams, Keown, Samson, Pires, Vieira, Fabregas, Brady, Henry, Bergkamp

  58. Ron

    Feb 01, 2012, 10:23 #17980

    Jennings Dixon Sansom Storey Adams Mc Lintock Pires Wright Baker Bergkamp Brady - Subs Seaman Henry Armstrong Bould Vieira Eastham. Coach - Arsene Wenger - Play 4 3 3 with Bergkamp in the hole behind Baker and Wright. Unbeatable!!

  59. Lewis

    Feb 01, 2012, 10:09 #17979

    When was this written? "Almunia is good and solid but by no means world class just yet" haha :-)

  60. patlow 71

    Feb 01, 2012, 10:08 #17978

    The problem with dream teams is generations, for example I am at the age where I have seen all the players mentioned plus others from the seventies. However depending on age your views will be different and I know many people older than me will be asking where is the place for the likes of Charlie George, Geordie Armstrong, etc etc. For what is worth my best team would be: Jennings, Dixon, Adams, O'Leary, Sansom (def Limpar (will surprise many but he was a special talent) Viera Brady Pires (mid) Bergkamp Henry

  61. dan

    Feb 01, 2012, 10:03 #17977

    how you can leave Henry out is beyond me... makes your whole article ridiculous.

  62. Peter Wain

    Feb 01, 2012, 9:57 #17976

    I think that Bob Wilson was the best keeper I have seen at Arsenal. In 1969 and 1970 he was the best keeper in the league by a mile and should have gone to the World Cup instead of Stepney and Bonnetti. But as Ramsey hated Arsenal he was not picked and we lost the world cup. I know that he played for Scotland but he was eligible for England and only Ramsey's anti Arsenal stance stopped him from being picked. I cannot agree about Mclintock. As some one he watched the late 50s and early 60s with horror Frank was the one shining light and his captaincy in the double year was remarkable. So reluctantly I would drop Adams and Bould and bring in Mclintock and Keown. Lastly my father always maintained that the best fotballer he every saw was Alex James and I would put him in the midfield instead of Rocastle. Finally Henry must get in before Wright whose goal scoring after Christmas always dropped off. Also Henry scored against the best sides something I never though Wright did.