A Tale of Three Subs

Online Ed: Changes inspire Arsenal to victory at Sunderland



A Tale of Three Subs

Henry: Good way to sign out


Theo Walcott spent 85 minutes trying to produce a decent cross, Andrey Arshavin produced two in five minutes. The Russian is much-maligned and has become something of a boo boy to the fans, although I always maintain that, in the infamous Manchester United game, if Walcott instead of The Ox had been removed from the fray, there would have been no dissent in the crowd. Arshavin is technically gifted, but no worker. Teams have to be built around such players, and the way he has been used at Arsenal has failed to get the best out of him. It begs the question as to why he was bought in the first place, although there is a belief that the board pressed the manager into making a name signing when he was purchased, as the 2008-09 season was going off the rails.

Still, given a few minutes to make an impact, he delivered at the Stadium of Light, ultimately by providing the ball on a sixpence for Thierry Henry to do what he does best, and write the headlines for this match. The last two games have turned Henry’s spell from a magic moment against Leeds to one that has justified the exercise. Granted, the goal against Blackburn was more sentimental than significant, but the two extra points his contribution gained yesterday could prove critical if the team he will leave behind can use the win as a platform for the three difficult Premier League fixtures on the horizon.

The other goal was scored by Aaron Ramsey, who rediscovered his shooting boots after a few weeks of habitually skying decent chances. Inspired substitutions? Well, Henry for the Ox was understandable, even if Theo was having a worse game. Mertesacker for Ramsey obviously wasn’t in the plan, but given his injury led to Sunderland going one up, the decision to move Song back seemed the logical one. And Walcott’s removal was long overdue.

Until the last 20 minutes, Arsenal had struggled, the final ball invariably not of the quality required. Sunderland were as difficult to overcome as was expected given their run under Martin O’Neill, their turnaround proof of the benefit of change. It will be interesting to see what he can get from Nicklas Bendtner once he returns from injury. Back to the game, and Szczesny made a couple of quality saves to keep the scores level, having to be more on his toes than Sunderland’s keeper. However, at the death, quality told, to provide the travelling fans with three points for the first time since before Christmas.

With Chelsea, Newcastle and Liverpool all losing, it was an afternoon when things fell the Gunners’ way. Spurs are off and over the horizon, a demonstration that you do not need the petrodollars Ivan Gazidis bangs on about to compete in this league, so at least that particular fallback position can now be filed away and forgotten about. But Arsenal are now where the board need them to be, in fourth place, mainly due to Chelsea’s astonishing collapse under Villas-Boas.

With Milan away the next fixture, one wonders if Kieran Gibbs will return at left back, with Vermaelen switching to the middle, or Song moved back with both Rosicky and Ramsey starting. I also wonder if the manager might be tempted to start Arshavin in place of the Ox, although a pairing of Gibbs and the diminutive Russian on the same flank might not prove the wisest of moves. Still, the manager is paid £20,000 a day to make these kind of decisions. Nice work if you can get it.

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  1. Esso

    Feb 14, 2012, 9:14 #18606

    The tone of this artcile is reprehensible at such a crucial stage of the season. It is also largely twaddle. Disgusted. Not of Tunbridge Wells.

  2. GoonerRon

    Feb 13, 2012, 21:01 #18599

    @IMAC. Good point. Three things set in stone on this site which are based on nothing more than trying to justify peoples argument. 1) Wenger earns between £6m and £7m per year (usually the latter if we lose). 2) the 'deadwood' in the squad all earn £60k per week. 3) we pay the highest ticket prices in world football. I've never seen anything to corroborate any of it, but I will happily be put right.

  3. IMAC

    Feb 13, 2012, 14:39 #18585

    Is AW really on £7million a year? I read on the BBC Gossip column a few weeks ago that Mancini was about to become the best paid manager in PL by being offered £5 million a year.

  4. johnnyhawleylovinggooner

    Feb 13, 2012, 14:34 #18583

    you could argue spurs are doing well because we messed up, and you would be right. However liverpool and newcastle messing is not our fault either. I would not hold out on some guy who only owns two thirds of the club to be able to help. Chelsea,manu, and man city are wholly owned by one shareholding backer making them able to act when they want to .Stan does not own enough of Arsenal to do this, we can only hope the board will push for a change in the transfer policy, if there is real money to spend.

  5. tpm

    Feb 13, 2012, 13:50 #18581

    good to see all the kb's crawl out of the wood work, merse69, mandy dodd etc...one swallow doesnt make a summer, we are still average at best, yet have done what any top 6 team should do, ie best blacburn and sunderland, yet all the akbs are using this as justification of how deluded those who want change are!!! we coudl well scrape 4th due to avb's ruining of chelsea, but again it will just paper over the cracks. i want my team to compete, not fumble along, merse69, mandy dodd, you are not true fans if you are happy for us to bumble along every season in 4th, sell our best players every summer, and waste untold millions on wages of players who clearly never will be good enough. the problem is if we scrape 4th, nothing will change. idiotic jcl/akb's will justify there stance as will the man himself. we are and have become also rans.

  6. Ron

    Feb 13, 2012, 13:47 #18580

    We traditionally play awful there. The poor mites having to travel all that way and then play in the cold (its usually driving rain too and their tights and gloves get terribly wet!) so any result was a good one. Fate being what it is, its makes me wonder if the FAC game could now be a bad day there as they will want to square it up. Ill be happy with a draw and then a replay. Im sticking with my 'our name's on the Cup' prediction guys but im wavering a bit now!! Arsenal do that dont they? Never can put money on em or feel remotely confident, theyre so flaky. Certainly cant see us getting 2 wins on the bounce there, we re just too lightweight and what if its cold ( and an icy rain off the North Sea) again by next week end? Best not to ponder it too much. PS Yes, Arshavin's been a poor buy due to being used wrongly. Mind you Bendtners apologists used to say that about him (used on wing all the time)when ive just always thought he s a clumsy, lackadaisical, egotistical, useless waste of space.

  7. Ron

    Feb 13, 2012, 13:25 #18579

    Strange you say that about Arshavin as ive always thought Walcott was a token buy as well, i.e an english player bought when Wenger and the Club were under the heaviest of fire for being anti english (right or wrong).

  8. Red Member

    Feb 13, 2012, 12:35 #18570

    as much as I have been defending the team this season the win on Saturday merely papered over the cracks. It was not a good performance and Walcott gets worse by the week. What happens when we have that moroccan to come on to win us the match instead of Henry? There was also a realisation that the OX cannot be expected to put in a top class performance every week. On the plus points I thought our goalkeeper had one of his better efforts and has obviously been putting the training in. Maybe the others should follow suit

  9. Oliver Chessis

    Feb 13, 2012, 9:46 #18555

    Really glad that we are starting to use the good squad we have. I have maintained for the last few weeks that certain players needed a rest, and Rambo seems to have benefited from some time out.

  10. Tony Evans

    Feb 13, 2012, 8:38 #18554

    Noz - well said and bang on with how my mates and I are feeling.

  11. Mark

    Feb 13, 2012, 8:34 #18553

    walcott. nice boy. athlete. wrong wrong sport however

  12. Mike

    Feb 13, 2012, 8:28 #18552

    Can't believe people justifying why we did not win instead of giving credit where it is due. If Sunderland were leggy are Arsenal going to get the same mitigation after travelling and playing a much more difficult game at Milan if the lose this weekend - I doubt it. Obvious substitutions, not really. When the BFG went off, the obvious move would have been to put Gibbs on at left back and move TV to the centre. Bring Ramsey on as midfielder for Song. The last one in bringing AA on -I at the time felt it was better to settle for the draw, and shore up the midfield by bring on Benayoun - A win at Sunderland is a good win, especially in the form they are in - give the team and manager their credit if they get it right

  13. fozzy's mate

    Feb 13, 2012, 7:56 #18551

    To my mind half of the anti ogl feeling was caused by the club pumping ought the how dare you criticise him propaganda. This was doubled by his "comedy double act" with the buffoon like Hill Wood at various AGMs and their thinly veiled "f you, what's it got do with you" catchphrase followed by the infamous "half a day" rant. Like a previously solid marriage falling apart many of us have conducted a mental wrestle in the last few years which continues as we grab for the hook which will make us fall back in love with him or if not decide to move on to something new. However we've gotta give credit where its due and resist our bitterness taking over. We may be able to salvage something from the disaster the season could have been (self inflicted). Our fear Is that after rekindling the romance the same dilemma will face us next season.

  14. CanadaGooner

    Feb 13, 2012, 2:44 #18550

    DW Thomas; give it a rest mate, you're not making any sense. as one of the contributors have already pointed out to you, that's how the league tables work: some teams drop points and others gain points. if arsenal hadnt dropped points against blackburn, swansea and fulham we would be light years ahead of liverpool and chelski; how about that? let's zip it for once and be thankful for 3 useful points and see if we can hangon to 4th spot and win the FA cup. save the soppy hindsight for later on. Come on Arsenal!!!!

  15. Mandy Dodd

    Feb 12, 2012, 23:31 #18549

    Noz, I do not think anyone, by any stretch of the imagination can call wenger a lucky manager. Cannot speak for these mythical akbs but I get a lot more pleasure from arsenal winning than any dig potential, just hope the mythical amgs can say the same. Just hope any arsenal fan wants the team to win and do well.

  16. Noz

    Feb 12, 2012, 21:38 #18548

    A mainly solid article as usual. I find myself agreeing with most of it but am not suprised that the AKB's have leapt in to nit pick. Yesterday was a fantastic win, brilliant. Well chuffed because I love my club. I am NOT an AKB, I am an Arsenal fan. You arrogant people who criticise fans who criticise Wenger make me sick. In all our lives, if we do a poor job we get criticised and Wenger has been doing a very poor job, so poor in fact I believe he should lose his job. That does not mean I want Arsenal to lose or generally struggle as seems to often be the accusation. In fact, some people who do criticise Wenger's critics seem to enjoy Arsenal's positive results not so much for the good of Arsenal but to have a dig. Arsene Wenger is a very lucky manager, and long may it continue, but most other seasons RVP would be crocked, Chelski would be challenging for the title and Liverpool would be getting more points at home. Yes we have had injuries but so do other sides. We are a big club and should be able to cope but we cant because our manager has failed to strengthen his squad, adapt his tactics, grow balls enough to drop players ect ect (see the previous thousand posts of people who know football despite never having worked half a day......). I repeat I LOVE ARSENAL and that is why I want Arsene out, even though it, even now, hurts to say it and despite a great win at Sunderland.

  17. DW Thomas

    Feb 12, 2012, 21:08 #18547

    I always support the team, just not a lack of work ethic and drive toward success, and no that's not 4th place. I agree, be happy with wins, but we wouldn't be near 4th if either LP or Chelsea were picking up points they should. Maybe we'll go on a long good run, just don't hold your breath. I measure the team by how we do against the big teams, not just the likes of Blackburn or Sunderland. Let's see how we do in our next 5 games. I hope we're still 4th and beat the Spuds.

  18. Treble Double

    Feb 12, 2012, 20:28 #18546

    A hard fought win yesterday, one which not many of us saw coming when we went 1 down. Let's hope this has a positive effect over the next few weeks. 4th place is so achievable and I agree with Canade, the spuds can be caught and this will be more evident when we turn them over in a fortnight. Interesting to see some contributors changing their views of Arshavin. The word fickle springs to mind!

  19. Gee

    Feb 12, 2012, 20:14 #18544

    spurs success is only short term. they will not have adebayor next season and they have proven they cant cope playing cl footy and competing in the pl. Add to this Modric will definitely leave after this year and to maintain their assault for more years their revenue has to double - it wont as they have a pony small stadium. their squad is not good and they've been very very lucky with minor injuries this season. i soon expect to see bale and parker buckle on the sheer number of games they play forever in our shadow

  20. SouthCoastArsenal

    Feb 12, 2012, 20:03 #18543

    Marwood on the wing; What is the obsession with how much wenger is paid in this article? If he was a money man he would have gone to Real Madrid years ago Wenger is on nearly £7 million a year, he is the 2nd highest paid manager in World Football. Add to this his profit related bonus & why would he leave? He is underacheiving on the pitch & his over acheviving off the pitch keeps him as Stan's best mate. Wake up.......

  21. GoonerRon

    Feb 12, 2012, 19:38 #18542

    @DW Thomas. You say we will only finish 4th because liverpool, Chelsea and Newcastle are dropping points...well isn't that how it works? How are Man C top at the moment? Well, because they've gained more points that United and Spuds, therefore it stands to reason that they are also there because the teams around them have dropped points. God, why can't we just focus on us and support our team?

  22. Mandy dodd

    Feb 12, 2012, 18:35 #18541

    I think some are letting agendas interfere with objectivity

  23. Mark

    Feb 12, 2012, 17:15 #18539

    a good win. i didnt think we were great and i thought sunderland were ''leggy'' after their marathon against middlesborough. i am still worried we will not make 4th

  24. DW Thomas

    Feb 12, 2012, 17:12 #18538

    Actually, one of either the FA Cup or CL wins would go a long way to curing some of the club's ills. Not likely in the CL, but the FAC would be nice. At least to show we can still win things. But profits might be on the only thing we win by finishing 4th. Yes, that isn't worth nothing given our start, but we should be asking for so much more. Henry, our best ever player, has shown the young guns what true class is. So whey did we ever let him go? Fergie never parted with Scholes or Giggs and neither ever wanted to really leave, did they? Wonder why that was??? Maybe trophies won?

  25. CanadaGooner

    Feb 12, 2012, 17:01 #18536

    Kev - we cant keep going one game at a time; you're either going to get behind the team or not! Arshavin got 2 crosses in in 5mins, so? if he had played all game those would have been his only 2 good crosses in 90mins. Walcott, Arshavin, Ramsay, Gervinho: all are donkeys and aint good enough, but if they do well in a particular game, if it's not too much, give them some credit withouth trying to me too clever about it! we should all rally behind the team and help them on, spurs can still be caught and the FA Cup is still available. we wont win the leave nor CL, so why not concentrate on what we can win? Forget about the manager for now: every decision he makes will be scrutinized either way; win some, lose some. As long as we stay focused, we can get a result against spurs and liverpool; but it all started with the mauling of blackburn. let's see how we cope when the 34yr old leaves: fact of the matter is, we would only have got 1 point yeaterday without Henry and missed yet another chance to capitalize on chelski, liverpool and newcastle dropping points. so, who's going to score the important goal next few matches? (not walcott, not arshavin, not gervinho: goodness me!!!) can Henry spend his final days showing these donkeys how it's done PLEASE????

  26. DW Thomas

    Feb 12, 2012, 16:49 #18535

    Good win, but I find myself not quite as happy and cheerful as usual as the best we will probably finish is fourth. And that's only because Chelsea, Liverpool, and Newcastle all are dropping points. Ramsey and Henry's goals were a little lucky I'd say. Arshavin chucked up a nice little cross that found our player and he had the class to put it away. Still love TH and he still has that class even if he's lost a step or two. Happy to see Ramsey get one as its about time for him with all his starts and misses in games. But, again, even if we win the rest of our games, we most likely will only hold onto 4th. What is there to celebrate with that our lofty goal? Barring an FA Cup and CL double (highly unlikely even with our best teams), this season is a major disappointment. Now with Mertesacker out, seems like Arsene missed the boat again in January. Two good results that I thoroughly enjoyed against mediocre squads and things are looking it bit up. Yet, compare our man management to that of the Spuds. They kept their best MF, we sold our best two. They brought in a quality forward in Adebayor, a solid DMF in Parker, and a proven GK in Friedel and look at what they have accomplished this season! I can't even look at the table recently and not get pissed how far ahead they are. And if you compare Bale to Theo...well there really isn't one is there, a comparison that is. Not saying money is the answer, but getting the best out of our highly paid players has been a problem for Wenger for 7 years now. When Arsene comes out and says his goal is to be the best club in the world and then he does so little to get there season after season, trust in his words is gone. Whatever limits he faces with transfers, the table doesn't lie and there have been plenty of instances where he could have done more to achieve success. That is why I am not satisfied with where we are. Sure, we might make the CL spots (let's wait and see) but I am tired of my seasonal serving of 4th and no trophies. If RVP goes this summer, what then? If you think he'll get replaced, think again and then imagine next season without his class and goals!

  27. CanadaGooner

    Feb 12, 2012, 16:48 #18534

    "you're still a wenger critic and didnt go to the game": i got news for you: WHO CARES?! i'm not changing my stance that he should leave with dignity at the end of the season, but i jolly well will give my 100% support while a season's still on. miserable sods! the 7 - 1 was a breakthrough and i'm sure we'll do ok against spurs and the scousers. any i will definitely try to get to a few more games this season.

  28. Marwood on the wing

    Feb 12, 2012, 15:45 #18533

    A really good win away from home and being one nil down too. I would have been happy to see Arshavin go in jan and give our Bolton loanee a chance after all the Russian has been awful for 2 seasons now. Let's hope when he does play lets hope he will have a positive impact like yesterday's cameo. What is the obsession with how much wenger is paid in this article? If he was a money man he would have gone to Real Madrid years ago. Glad to read some positive comments on here for the team and the manager. Up the Arsenal.

  29. Rob

    Feb 12, 2012, 14:31 #18532

    If we scrape fourth place again it will be a disaster for this Club as the Kronke/Hill-Wood axis will dig ever deeper and take us down with it. I still think Chelsea will make the cut because Wenger's lunacy in failing to strengthen the squad - yet again - in the last window guarantees that we have rely on RvP staying fit and focused for every game until May. Once TH goes on Thursday it's down to Park and Chamakh. Even Chelsea aren't in that much disarray.

  30. GoonerGoal!

    Feb 12, 2012, 14:19 #18531

    OK I admit it, I was wrong about this match. I thought we'd struggle to get even a single point at a O'Neill's rejuvenated Sunderland. However, let's not forget the role Middlesborough played in helping us obtain this win by extending Sunderland's playing time to 120 minutes on Wednesday night, and remember, next week it will be us doing all the travelling and playing mid-week, while Sunderland will have their feet up. Is that an FA Cup exit I see before me?

  31. gooner_jack

    Feb 12, 2012, 13:48 #18530

    Wait, was Theo having a worse game than the Ox? Or is this just more Walcott baiting? Saying that I agree that Arshavin is a useful player, but only as a sub and only if he isn't required to track back

  32. goonercolesyboy

    Feb 12, 2012, 13:39 #18529

    I wonder where all the negative fans at this moment are hiding? Maybe counting their season ticket money for next year and deciding what to do with it no doubt......I am not a lover or hater of Wenger just a supporter who tries to see both sides...Admittedly two results do not change all of our opinions and without going over old ground Arsene has a lot to answer for as do our silent board but a win yesterday was a great follow up to the thrashing of Blackburn. You can't predict Theo at the moment, three assisits last week and yet his final ball yesterday was lacking, but the last time I looked he was human and not a robot, so I give him support all day long. We all know that the Ox is more of a footballer than Theo will ever be but they do in fact compliment each other on the flanks. I have been to most away games this season but I didn't travel up north because of work but watched later on football first and we had all the ball and eventually deserved our win. Defensively we are looking more solid and let's hope that the BFG is not that seriously hurt as he is definitely improving week by week without being the finished article with Kos as partner looking great. If not then TV will be back in the middle and sick note Gibbs back again, personally I like the looks of Coquelin so all is not lost. Kind of ironic that the little Russian should make the winner, crikey he has so mush to offer and maybe in the right position he would get some old form back but with the winger formation and his lack of tracking back he is unlikely to get one of the midfield roles in the hole behind RVP he so obviously craves. We took advantage of all the slip ups and find ourselves back in 4th but the next 5 games are again pivotal to our season...as I have written before let's keep supporting the players and the team and you never know what might happen.

  33. John

    Feb 12, 2012, 13:18 #18528

    I do like we are being linked with Sunderland Sessengon and for £10 million plus swap with Bendtner would be an absolute bargain.

  34. Charles

    Feb 12, 2012, 13:16 #18527

    Our obsession with passing the ball back to the goalie instead of just clearing the ball costs us another goal and an injury in the process. At last, Ramsey keeps a shot low instead of blazing it over the bar and the result is a goal and three points.

  35. allybear

    Feb 12, 2012, 13:12 #18526

    Excellent win&hard fought. Sunderland are a very good team under O'Neill so to win there was very good. Just shows that Arshavin has it if he is in the mood. Still dont know why AW persists with Wally! Well done&hope it continues. Expect Chelsea to have a new manager soon!

  36. Biosolu

    Feb 12, 2012, 12:47 #18525

    Kudos to Arsenal, wenger & players for grabbing the win and fourth place. Wenger need to give Ramsey and walcott deserved rest while Rosicky and Oxlade some persistent run. My predicted line up against Milan will be : Sczenzny, sagna, vermelean, koscienly, gibbs,song arteta, rosicky, arshavin, oxlade, vanpierse. Subs gervinho, chamack, ramsey, walcott, fabianski, park etc wishing the gunners a win in Milan.

  37. johnnyh

    Feb 12, 2012, 12:14 #18524

    lets celebrate it for what it was,an excellent win despite going a goal down against a team that virtually parked the bus.

  38. Merse69

    Feb 12, 2012, 12:10 #18523

    Compare and contrast. One North London manager oversees the Totts first title challenge for half a century (HALF A CENTURY!) and is treated like a king. The other creates several teams, mounts countless title challenges and actually wins three titles. And is here treated with something nearing contempt... Compare one set of fans starved of success.... to the spoilt ingrates at Gooner towers.

  39. RJ

    Feb 12, 2012, 11:29 #18522

    Prediction 1 - CORRECT Come on you Gooners. And with the other teams dropping points - "It's up for grabs now". And we have Chamakh coming back. Could it get any better?

  40. James Macfarlane

    Feb 12, 2012, 11:26 #18521

    Kevin, our greatest ever player, who is now a fan of the club and has a relationship with Arsenal that is rare nowadays, just scored a last minute winner for us in his last league game for us. We're not going to win the league without petrodollars (Tottenham are performing lower than we have done for the previous few seasons before this - we were a few points behind, not 8, at this stage last year). So if you can still publish a broadly negative article after a match of sheer delight, then perhaps ask yourself why you are a fan?

  41. Fozzy's mate

    Feb 12, 2012, 10:55 #18520

    Kev (like me) you are now so anti this regime that you find it hard to give any credit. A hard fought win yesterday and the good results we have got this year are as a result of the pragmatism finally shown by ogl of bringing some know how into the side and squad. I think we have a chance of scraping into 4th as Chelsea are in disarray and I don't see avb lasting much longer. Liverpool led by the disgracefully arrogant king kenny can't buy a win at home. However this will simply play into the hands of the denver dough trouserer who will feel whatever he does we will finish 4th. Now let's focus on the remaining 2 chances to win something. But give wenger and the team some credit for this most unarsenal like result!

  42. Gare Kekeke

    Feb 12, 2012, 10:55 #18519

    I didn't go to Sunderland and I'm still a Wenger critic because of our gradual decline since 2006 but credit where it's due to the manager and the players. The win on Wearside far more pleasing than that against a poor Blackburn side. And I've got no problems saying that too. I'm with you on the subs too Kevin. Some Gooners think that all the changes were inspired and shouldn't be questioned in light of 'that substitution' against Man Utd. Wenger has it in his head that The Ox can't play ninety minutes, Henry was always going to come off the bench to make possibly his final Premier League outing, Mertesacker coming off was enforced and judging from your piece, Walcott was his usual erractic self, so Arshavin coming on was to produce that moment of magic that on his day he is capable of was likely to happen, even at the late stage of the game. Henry has proved that experience in a team is vital in so many ways. But knowing Wenger, if he is still at the club next season, Project Youth Mk II will kick in. Spot on about Tottenham too. We are officially the 5th richest club in world football club (again!), the 2nd in England, the 1st in London and officials at the club like Gazidis continously make out we have no money. Total BS. Wenger has said himself (and it's even on the club's website) that we make annual payments of £15m to repay the stadium. So after the wages of all staff members and costs elsewhere that the club have to make, that leaves us with plenty of cash to spend sensibly on new players and new contracts. But again, knowing Wenger, as usual his player recruiment will focus on kids that are cheap on transfer fees but on astronomical wages. Remember fellow Gooners (especially the AKB's), it's fact not fiction that the club's wage bill last season was £124.4m. Still, come on you Gunners!

  43. chrisy boy

    Feb 12, 2012, 9:53 #18517

    my friend attended the diamond club cocktail evening on thursday, in which he told me wenger was a lot more open and upfront that normal. Wenger said " the board insist or me making between £15 - £20 million profit on transfers each season to pay of the debt ( mortgage ) ". So at that rate i imagine it will take another 5 or 6 years to pay of the debt, so we either we find a club mug enough to buy Almunia, Diaby, Bendtner denilson etc, or Rvp is on his way. We all know wenger has his faults and wont admit to his mistakes, but with this current board ( owners ) lays a bigger problem, more reason for mr Usminov to be given the green light to help us out.

  44. tony. aust.

    Feb 12, 2012, 9:30 #18516

    nice piece mate..very valid point about AA23, great qualities and technically gifted but played out of position..he should be playing in the hole..the older he gets the more he will lose his speed..why he is placed on the wing i will never know..sad thing is that if he does leave i believe he will shine for the next team in the correct position..

  45. Mr.B

    Feb 12, 2012, 9:07 #18515

    I wouldnt say spurs have done this with no money, they have been the 4th buggest spenders over tha past 8 years, that's £24m more than manure and £136 arsenal.

  46. Dan h

    Feb 12, 2012, 9:06 #18514

    Vital win as we go into a tough run of fixtures.Just shows the difference when you have quality coming off the bench.If bringing TH back shows anything players of class in their early 30's have been written off too quickly by AW.Gutsy win yesterday the pitch looked poor the injury forced the shape of the team to change should give Ramsey a bit of confidence.Credit to the side for keeping going to the end big week coming up.The focus shifts to Milan obviously but as a side issue now we are in the running again for 4th what sort of side will be picked for the f.a cup?

  47. Steve of Chiang Mai

    Feb 12, 2012, 8:51 #18513

    "Spurs are ... a demonstration that you do not need the petrodollars Ivan Gazidis bangs on about to compete in this league, so at least that particular fallback position can now be filed away and forgotten about." So just who is paying Adebeyor's ridiculous wages then Kevin.....Oh yes that's right its MAN ARAB CITY. With some Gooners the manager can't win....he takes of the OX and he is a moron and he gets it right and it's "still the manager is paid £20,000 a day to make these kind of decisions. Nice work if you can get it."

  48. meuz

    Feb 12, 2012, 8:47 #18512

    HENRY KİNG

  49. Mariano

    Jan 24, 2012, 23:30 #17628

    first of all ,Wenger has done more for this club than any of us can fathom .second theo just came back from a injury and needs time ,at the start of the season he was on fire and I think is worth 80 plus k ,we got alot of injuries and the boss is doing what he can with what he has ,not many coaches can do what he does with the buget he gets ,not Mou not pep ,and trust me if Arsenal had the money they would spend it ,but the ppor commercial deals means they are far behind teams like man u but we are getting there ,the boss just needs time ! in Wenger we trust

  50. Shropshire Lad

    Jan 24, 2012, 20:56 #17621

    Nick, I was there for the WBA game. Never seen it so empty for a Div 1 game. Bloody cold night too if I remember! Long time ago but it does demonstrate how things can change very quickly if Clubs ignore their fans.

  51. GoonerGoal!

    Jan 24, 2012, 18:20 #17613

    Surely you expect too much? I am resigned to European Tuesday, Wednesday, AND Thursday nights being Arsenal-free next season. No doubt we will then get Carling Cup matches free to justify not reducing next seasons ticket prices...

  52. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    Jan 24, 2012, 15:13 #17600

    That's what I don't get about the club the most. If you charge Aston Martin prices you can't give clients fords. Surely that's basics. I can see their logic in charging record ticket prices. We are London biggest and most successful club. I guess that comes at a premium now days. However that is only sustainable if you are attracting the big names, are ambitious and are successful. You trying shirts in Asia when you finish eigth and have no stars. It's a lot harder that barca are currently finding. The board would make more money if we are successful. That way everyone isa winner. Surely they can see that. You can't keep ripping people off and thinking they will swallow it. We are not totally stupid.

  53. Inspector Clueless

    Jan 24, 2012, 15:02 #17599

    no matter what anyone says wenger is NOT the magic manager he has been painted as. Rednapp is better as is Fergy and for sure Jose. rednapp gets more out of less. Wengers choice of players reflects his own personality. rosicky, walcott, arsha. nice boys no fight no bottle no passion for the club. arsenal today is a boring corporate with a soul less stadium

  54. Mike

    Jan 24, 2012, 14:58 #17598

    Gee, I think you summed it up pretty correctly from a business sense - players wages are becoming exorbitant. Rumour has it that Walcott wants K85 000 a week and lets face it that will be the average wage packet that an international player will want thank to the likes of Man City and Chelsea. K60 000 will probably be well below average. The sponsership renewals will be vital unless we manage to get someone with cash to burn

  55. Arsene is a Fraudster

    Jan 24, 2012, 13:15 #17589

    I agree with the sentiments of most posters here. Whilst he should do one, you know he wont go until he wants. Too much money for the yank and the peanut headed Ivan to get rid, and there will be plenty of plums & tourists etc willing to plough money into new kits and terrible grub at half time for a year or 2 yet before they start panacking.

  56. Gee

    Jan 24, 2012, 13:00 #17587

    the key is to limp to 2014 when we can cash in on the kit sponsor and shirt sponsor renewals. At present all this cash was used to fund the emirates and is leaving a £25m-£35m hole in out commercial income year on year. If AW can get us in to the CL next year or one after (both would be incredible for the board) we can instantly increase our revenues so the commercial arm is in line with the majority. Arsenal are a very very cautious club. They will not spend the £50m to get 4th, they'd rather hope they get there on what they have and if they don't the £50m can cover the lost income. the self sustaining model is quickly becoming an excuse for on field failure. We desperately need Sagna, wilshere, Gibbs and Arteta back in the side and to stay there until May along with VP That is the only way we can get 4th or higher

  57. Nick

    Jan 24, 2012, 12:52 #17584

    I can rember standing in the lower west teir, for a game against W.B.A., when the attendance was only just above 8,000, a game we won on a quagmire of a pitch 4-3, those were dark days with no expectations, were not at that low point yet, but we are regressing slowly but surely, we play Aston Villa on sunday in the cup, a team who we would seem to share the same aspirations these days, so much for competing with the worlds best once wed moved to the emirates, what a bloody lie that was.

  58. don froth

    Jan 24, 2012, 11:58 #17577

    state the obvoius merchant!!!!, stick to your city job....also your wrong about Song, he has been one of our shining lights for the previous three seasons and i for one would be very dissappointed if he went!

  59. Pat O'Cake

    Jan 24, 2012, 11:53 #17576

    Surely the club will not sack Wenger anytime soon - the pay-off of around £15m will deter them from doing that. I cannot see Wenger falling on his own sword either. No, we are lumbered with him, like it or not. Nothing will change on or off the pitch meaning we are locked into a path of gradual, terminal decline. Only fan power can save us now...

  60. Half Full

    Jan 24, 2012, 11:37 #17575

    Yep, gonna be hard to sell sausages at caviar prices. I suspect that when you have a 60,000 seater stadium and an army of overpaid executives and bureaucrats the self sustaining model only works if you have success on the pitch. It is self sustaining at a high level of income and expenditure. For a club like ours the consequences of dropping out of the top four for more than one year look pretty dire to me- at best we could end up with a self sustaining model based on reduced income/reduced costs/occasional forays into the Europa League - think Everton or Villa. At worst we could cease to be viable because our cost base cannot be reduced quickly enough to match the lower levels of income coming into the club. I wonder what would be cut first - the budget for players' wages and transfer purchases or the budget for senior management salaries.

  61. Will

    Jan 24, 2012, 11:26 #17574

    Not sure what the point is of speculating about a post Wenger Arsenal because he won't be sacked regardless of this years failures. He provides the board with loads of money so if you were Stan why would you sack him.The core of the side is still good szec, jack, rambo,ox, sagna, tvm, kos. In my opinion they will give him another season to turn things around while trying to sort out a successor.If Wenger could get us back into CL he could then leave on a relative high. What is clear beyond doubt is that he won't be around for too much longer. All managers have sell buy dates, Shankly Clough. Only Ferguson has defied the odds and even he will not be able to reinvent Unt again ( no money).The bigger question is what will happen to the club in 5-10 years time as their ability to pay the wages required for top players declines. In the current football world it is clear that having monstrously wealthy owners is the only way forward.It stinks but it is the reality. Arsenals laudable business model looks out of date.

  62. Oxy-Moron

    Jan 24, 2012, 10:29 #17571

    The sentiment of that corporate is exactly what I was forecasting in a comment on an article her last week. What price that the renewal dates get brought forward, with "administrative pressures caused by the Olympics" as the excuse? As for a new manager next year - don't hold your breath!