Why Wenger should go, even if he is given a war chest to spend this summer

A tale of mismanagement



Why Wenger should go, even if he is given a war chest to spend this summer

Le Boss: Responsible for malaise?


Arsenal fans are split over whether Arsène Wenger should continue as manager next season. A bitter war of words between the pro- and anti-Wenger factions has taken place at the stadium and on the internet for the last couple of seasons. Some claim that the board of directors have withheld funds from Wenger since 2005, weakening his hand. Others claim that Wenger has access to substantial money for transfers, but refuses to spend most of it, preferring to place faith in youth players.

We fans do not know for sure if either is the case, but my personal hunch is that a period of strict belt-tightening around the time of the stadium-move forced Wenger to embark upon a youth policy. In addition, the strengthening of Chelsea, Man United and Man City by rich owners, and comparatively weak commercial deals for Arsenal, have also reduced our relative spending power in the transfer-market, despite our match-day revenues increasing from the new stadium. However, I contend that, even if Wenger has been denied funds, he should not manage us next season.

There is a malaise around the squad, a lack of confidence and success that has crept in from as far back as Vieira’s departure, and that has intensified since our loss to Birmingham in the Carling Cup Final. So bad is this mentality, that I never regard us as likely to hold onto the supposed cushion of a two-goal lead until I hear the final whistle. Something unthinkable seven years ago. I believe Wenger has badly mismanaged this squad, and gambled recklessly in two key areas of the pitch, and, to a lesser extent, in a third position.

The first is defensive midfield, where he failed to replace Vieira’s prowess. Vieira was as much a box-to-box player as a pure defensive midfielder, but his influence on a game was immense. Flamini was superb in 2007 -2008, but otherwise no single Arsenal player has been a physical and intimidating midfield force since 2005. Song has his moments, and can tackle well, but he is very much an all-round midfielder and does not dominate games to the level needed.

In the tidy Coquelin and the competitive Frimpong we may have two candidates to take over the role of midfield enforcer to a high level. I certainly hope they reach that peak, but, as fans, we have suffered the absence of such a player for too long.

The other key area of mismanagement has been up front. Aside from van Persie, we have no effective goal-scorer. This was clear at the end of last season, yet nothing was done to redress it over the summer - a terrifying gamble on the fitness of our fecund, yet brittle, Dutch striker. Chamakh is woeful, Park is such a fringe player he might as well work for Vidal Sassoon, and the promising but unproven Afobe has been injured since the summer. It is a near criminal situation.

Thirdly, we had lacked a decent goalkeeper for too long until last season. Almunia produced good form on occasion, but he should not have been first choice at a club like ours for so long. Szczesny is good, but behind him is a collection of average players and unproven youth. A goalkeeper appears less likely to have a lengthy absence through injury as a striker, so it seems not as big a concern as up front, but it is not a great situation either.

Such glaring faults should not have been left unremedied, and they are why I want a new boss for next season.


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  1. SteveO 35

    Mar 07, 2012, 16:30 #19972

    You've highlighted two of the main issues that I have been banging on about for ages i.e. the lack of a quality and options in the holding midfielder and centre forward positions. The situation with Vieira was worsened considerably in the space of six months in 2008 when like it or not, the manager failed to convince Flamini to stay and had let Diarra and Gilberto leave the club. We went from having 3 holding midfielders, each of considerable talent to having an over-reliance on Song, backed by the not ready Coquelin or Ramsey. One of the worst examples of squad neglect of the past few seasons and it has been telling in results in key games ever since. The striker situation is the 'elephant in the room' and how on earth a club of our stature can be tip-toeing through the season with no support for RvP is equally negligent. Chamakh has been woeful for over a year now and it is was perfectly apparent the first time we ever saw a fleeting glimpse of Park he has neither the power or quality to play with the big boys in the PL and CL. That was evidenced last night when we turned to the bench for inspiration, the core first team players having run themselves into the ground. When I look at the benches of any team in the top half of the PL, they have better back-up striking options than we do. Thankfully we have just about the finest striker in Europe who has remained fit, because underneath the surface we have strikers that wouldn't make Doncaster Rovers first XI

  2. Al

    Mar 05, 2012, 15:42 #19845

    I would agree that we have lacked a defensive midfielder and another guaranteed goal scorer, and even, to some degree, the moral of the squad being an issue. However, when Wenger is given so little to work with financially, how on Earth can he bring in players who fit the bill in these positions? Demba Ba would have been fantastic but few thought he would do as well as he has, despite his obvious promise prior to Newcastle. Other than he, who could you sign for nothing? The board currently houses two billionaires, ruling over a club that is consistently financially solvent, yet Wenger doesn't appear to have enough money to spend on these positions. The constant link with Lukas Podolski whets the appetite, so hopefully Wenger will be provided sufficient funds to land him and - in what may well be wishful thinking - someone like Mario Götze or Eden Hazard. Defensive midfield duties could be given to Frimpong or Coquelin, as I feel both have shown enough talent and desire to step up. I would really like to see the removal of Squillaci and the purchase of another central defender. Unless Djourou finds success in being trusted to a run at centre-back, rather than being unfortunately misplaced due to injury woes, then he should also leave. Mertesacker has taken time to become accustomed to the Premier League but should be OK, yet I still feel defence is an issue. Having said all of this, Wenger should definitely be in charge next season. However, if he is given substantial funds to build the squad and he squanders the resources next year, then it may well be time to seriously consider a fresh face. Personally, I see a bright future under Wenger, testing times accounted for.

  3. Gooner S

    Mar 03, 2012, 19:15 #19761

    "Arsenal fans are split over whether Arsène Wenger should continue as manager next season." The above sentence is only used by Arsenal supporters who want Arsene Wenger replaced. The majority want Arsene Wenger to continue. No, he is not without his faults but then again who isn't?

  4. Mikey H

    Mar 03, 2012, 2:44 #19748

    Good article, blind faith is not what's needed now. I would love to see Wenger build a team and take us back to the top of the league but judge Wenger on the last 7 years - not the first 8 years - where we have gone backwards as a club. The constant signing of no-name 14-16 year olds will not bring us success and constant links to players such as Nzonzi and Odemwingie only highlight the lack of funds and lack of vision. We need change throughout the entire club from the top down, we are a football club not a business.

  5. lee afc

    Mar 02, 2012, 21:55 #19744

    for a few years now, we've had comments like 'we need a goalie, a centre half, a defensive midfielder, a striker'..do you think that the manager sits on his hands all day every day. viera was world class and as we've seen with fabregas, you cannot just replace these players..surely the debate should be about keeping such players, not worrying about who we sign when they leave.

  6. Mike

    Mar 02, 2012, 15:29 #19728

    All individual wages on the comments are a myth -if you believe other sources, Wenger is on around 4 mill a year - the truth is probably somewhere in between

  7. Apollo

    Mar 02, 2012, 14:01 #19725

    Everyone is entitled to their opinion but some of the comments on here concern me depress me so much. I cant beleive people think we're spoiled for instance. The prices we pay to be lied to, ripped off, deceived and taken for granted is not my definition of being spoiled. As for Wenger, I dont understand how anyone can still fully respect a man who has so much contempt for the supporters and their views. Especially when much of the criticism is fair and has been proved to be justified. There are numerous occasions Wenger has shown his lack of respect for us. Yes he did some great things for the club but he's done some bad stuff too. He is no God. The golden era of 1997-2006 I give most of the credit to the players. The ones who were out there doing the business on the pitch. The role of the manager is often overplayed. By all means give Wenger some credit for putting that group of players together. But lets not give him too much credit. He didnt do it all on his own. He should have gone 3 years ago.

  8. Apollo

    Mar 02, 2012, 13:46 #19724

    Some very unfair criticism of this article I feel. There are numerous things Wenger has neglected that are not related to money. e.g. tactics, set pieces, organisation, motivating the side etc. These things are all FREE. And if money is tight (which its not) then all the more reason to put extra work into them. Neglecting them is criminal and 5 years of neglect should be a sackable offence. The money argument is only part of it anyway. And even then I find it hard to accept that a man with a wage bill of £120m a year is working with his hands tied. Look at some of the dross we have and what we're paying them. Compare Denilson, Diaby, Bendnter and Vela all on 50k a week to title winner Danny Welbeck at Man Utd on 15k a week.

  9. tpm

    Mar 02, 2012, 12:59 #19721

    sandy b, wenger is paid 7m a year, hardly stingy from the board, id imagine quite a few top managers would want that money. also who had heard of wenger when he was appointed so who needs a big name anyway. btw we dont attract top stars because of aw, we atract young talent cos we pay them far more than the going rate, thats why ramsey chose us over man u as ferguson laughed when asked to match the wages arsenal had offered, likewise he did when he saw the fee for the ox we agreed, when he considered signing him. Halifax, chelsea are not in debt, there owner bankrolls them, they are in debt to a person who will never call it in, just right it off. manu are a cash machine, there debt is no issue. to compare arsenal to the likes of portsmouth, port vale and rangers is idiotic. anyway our sensible model isnt so sensible when you dig into it, our wage bill is far to high for the success levels we have and its totally reliant upon player sales. if we dont get cl football, as the ast have confirmed we would fail ffp. yet again the akb's just argue what they want, they continual to ignore the valid points put across to them, about tactics, wages, player selection etc.

  10. Ron

    Mar 02, 2012, 9:53 #19715

    AW wont go unless he chooses to. There isnt a debate really. There are as many reasons for him to be given a chance to have a go at resurecting things as there are to ask him to leave in truth There isnt a good keeper there now either. Scezny is at support keeper level. He makes some good saves and also makes barmy judgments. One position that needed the Club to spend big has been between the sticks, if nowhere else. This has been AWs biggest blunder. No team ever wins anything without a top class keeper. The best of defences gets breached at times and only the best keepers step up to handle it. Im fed up of his immunity to critizism and his even dafter sabre rattling comments.

  11. Don

    Mar 02, 2012, 9:45 #19714

    What the comments here prove is that the AKB's are still in force and that one victory over the Spuds has erased the last 12 months of awfulness on the pitch.

  12. Halifax

    Mar 02, 2012, 9:08 #19711

    Rangers in administration, Portsmouth possibly failing to finish the season, Port Vale unable to pay their players, Mancs and scousers up to their eyeballs in debt!! The financial stability and future of our club is vital. Lets turn into Chelsea - throw money around that we don't have, sack our manager every two years and maybe you will all be happier.

  13. Mike

    Mar 02, 2012, 8:38 #19707

    @Matt, watch the game again please..my point is Fabregas was to step up as Arsenal Captain to replace Viera-if I remember rightly Gilberto was the defensive midfielder who was imo never got replaced...doos

  14. Indian Gooner

    Mar 02, 2012, 7:00 #19705

    Couldn't agree more with the author. Wenger must go. The team has been in a steady decline since 2006 and nothing has been done to stem it.

  15. come on arsenal

    Mar 02, 2012, 5:35 #19704

    am i the only person who thinks moyes would be a good replacement for arsene? he does excellently at everton and thats with a budget thats without doubt more restricted than ours. Furthermore he has at least has an understanding of the word Tactics, and replaces players lost (saha) and doesnt just sit back and hope the rest of the team copes with the loss of a quality player(s).

  16. Jamal

    Mar 02, 2012, 4:29 #19703

    Can you at least lay off the man this week of all weeks? When we schooled the scum! Only Gooners will post negative articles every week.

  17. DW Thomas

    Mar 02, 2012, 4:14 #19702

    Not a bad article. Obviously the AKBs can't hear some glaring truths. Perhaps the worst thing Wenger has done is let Cesc go and not replace him, along with others. That was ridiculous business. In the end though, maybe it was Wenger's own fault. What did he win with Cesc? We badly need that creative spark in MF a la Rosicky against the Spuds. Could he step up? Maybe, maybe not. But why not get Hazard and Gotze and a top striker. Then I think things could really improve and the team might fly. I want to hear Wenger completely change his whole mantra or he should go. Let's hear him start talking about fighting for the title each year, not just top 4. Then top 4 should take care of itself. And no, top 4 has and never will be a trophy. We all deserve more, the club, the players, the fans.

  18. James

    Mar 02, 2012, 1:56 #19701

    This is utter nonsense. You say no one can be sure whether the boss has been denied funds and then say but he should go anyway? Makes zero sense. Wenger, together with Ferguson, is one of the founding fathers of the Premier League. He dragged Arsenal kicking and screaming into the modern world and delivered more success than any Arsenal manager has before him. You have no right to expect better. Granted, these are not vintage years to be an Arsenal fans since 2006 but many things beyond Wenger's control have contributed to that, and he has sacrficed his own personal glory [money for big players], in order to ensure the clubs long-term future [by moving to the Emirates] I conclude that after everything Arsene Wenger has given for Arsenal, and indeed English football, he will dictate the terms of his departure, because simply put, he has changed this club and this league forever.

  19. Sandy B

    Mar 02, 2012, 1:23 #19700

    Quartz, you are a fool. Only a fool would want to see arguably the greatest manager the club has ever had sacked just because he and his team have had one wobbly season with a poor start. And despite this obstacle they are still in contention for a champions league spot. There is no indivdual bigger than the club. Having said that Arsene Wenger and the opportunity to be managed by him is one of the reasons why Arsenal have been able to attract a plethora of top players like Van Persie and Henry and the raw but promising Chamberlain. If he left there is no guarantee that Arsenal would be able to get a top manager to replace him... particularly with that stingy board. Many players may decide to follow him out the door. Please take your article and use it to wipe your backside. That's all it's good for

  20. Knight of the long knives

    Mar 02, 2012, 1:22 #19699

    After reading the article, and all the replies, I venture to say that I totally agree with the premise. What you Wengerites forget is that Wenger allowed many good players to leave because of club(Wenger)fiscal policy. Profit and Loss. Wenger has swapped the team-sheet for the balance sheet. Cole, Flamini, Adebayor, Nasri, Hleb, all lost because they wanted pay rises. All allowed to leave when we were on the cusp of glory. I suppose some will attempt to smear these players with various jibes. The facts are we were damn good with them. Wenger has complete control over all football matters. Would Gazidis/the board propose players for purchase? Would they dictate players worth? If that was the case Wenger would've resigned ages ago. When Ferguson realised Rooney would get 250k at ****ty, he acted. That's why they're where they are, and we are where we are. Of all the big clubs, Arsenal never make marquee signings, too pricey. Wenger is dated, the good things he does, which he does do are driven by financial considerations. Alex Ox is an investment with appreciative value. Will he leave too somewhere down the line. We have lost 3 finals on the spin. Many times success has been ever so close, but Wenger refused to grasp it. Last year versus Bham was the last straw. A pot on offer and Wenger ****** it up! How you may ask? Because of the cavalier Kamikaze approach he instills. Defence? Where is Arsenal's defence? I would like a new man take us on now to throw off the shackles. Finishing 4th a luxury? Money in my pocket is. 15 years in the Champions league. Money making racket! Sorry Arsene you're last day puny transfer activity was shocking. Keeping Pat Rice on far too long, backroom staff sterility, injury jinxed for an eternity, who do we blame? The Anfield cat! Yes, Wenger out.

  21. Joe. S.

    Mar 02, 2012, 0:24 #19698

    We can all bask in the glory of having beaten the Spurs, and even today I'm reliving highlights and still glowing, however as the liverpool showdown approaches so my confidence in an Arsenal revival slowly evaporates.Not that I think Liverpool are much. But the performances of Rosinscky, Song Walcot Benayoun etc. last Sunday were freakish in that they defied the form book. Where had they been? was the happily puzzled reaction from most fans who look at their team objectively.Will they show up again? I would like to think that Wegner has something left to offer the EPL but I think it is overly optimistic to expect him to reinvigorate and come back kicking next year. He is not Sir. A and I don't think Wegner really wants to revel in a dog fight with the ambitious teams who want to win tounaments.Wegner would much prefer the tranquility of a safe grove from where he can indulge his purist asthetic. Does a manager's track record deserve this kind of indulgence year after year? As a fan the big decision making is out of my hands so my answer of NO will count count for nothing. Also being proved wrong as happened last Sunday is also fun.

  22. ardsgooner

    Mar 01, 2012, 23:45 #19697

    Only on The Gooner would you find a negative article like this. I only came on tonight as my subscription is due to expire. I know there has to be a balance of views, but really the negativity around this site is unreal. Up The Gunners.

  23. Wombledin

    Mar 01, 2012, 23:38 #19696

    Absolutely. He should definitely go if we finish out of the top four no matter what. But he won't go if we finish top four, no matter how much we may want him to. And you could add a few more obvious things, like his perennial inability to strengthen the defense enough to win trophies. From Stepanovs to Eboue to Squillacy and Djourou, there's a long chain of mediocre defenders constantly weakening us and Wenger showing them far too much loyalty. The other thing is his wastage of untold millions on giving new, fatter contracts on unproven mediocre players who everyone else knew were not going to cut it, like Denilson, Bendtner, et al while failing to secure excellent new players for the sake of a few million. Penny wise pound foolish.

  24. OVERPAID CHOREOGRAPHER

    Mar 01, 2012, 23:27 #19695

    I want arsene to stay on as manager for as long as possible. My sole reason for following arsene fc is for the comic amusement. I don't care about football. I just think watching arsene on the touch-line, and watching/listening to his interviews and press conferences and watching how he and the upper management run the club and how the various supporters react to it, the entire thing is a cavalcade of whimsy from my perspective. One of the most amazing things to me is that so many arsene fc supporters don't seem to have any idea exactly how foolish they look. I mean seriously, neither arsene nor any arsene fc supporters have any dignity. For the supporters, that's just pathetic, the very essence of pathos. For arsene, it's not pathetic because he's pulling down 7mil per year, so the term for him would be egregious. So it's really funny in one way that he gets paid that ridiculous sum, but on the other hand he probably deserves to karmicly have something really bad happen to him. He is after all an incredibly deceitful individual, not to mention hypocritical, I mean he goes on about financial modesty while he picks up that ridiculous salary.

  25. Steve

    Mar 01, 2012, 23:27 #19694

    I have been a die hard Arsenal fan for 30 years. I do agree that it seems like Wenger has had his hands tied behind his back with funds, however you just cannot excuse the relatively 'cheap' signings he has not gone for such as Scott Parker, Gary Cahill, Shay Given) These are the type of players that would have made our team better and stronger. But he overlooks these and signs players such as Arteta, Mertesacker, Park, etc.. i personally dont think this is acceptable. In addition to that i am hearing more and more comments about how there is litte interaction on the training ground and the way he dictates and wont take any opinions from the players or staff. Thus of course may not be true, but its being said a lot lot more and you can see that a lot of the players do not look happy in their body language at all anymore, very different from the team spirit of five years or so ago.

  26. Colin

    Mar 01, 2012, 21:35 #19693

    Great article Quartz. It looks likely that Man Utd will finish 1st or 2nd this season.If they finish 2nd do you think SAF will look on this season as success? Well just think how our board and manager will celebrate if we finish 4th.Success is winning trophies not finishing 4th best ever season.Success is not posting £50m profits while fleecing the fans with the highest ticket prices in the world.And to those who think Arsene knows please explain a contract extension for Djourou then.

  27. ArsenalFan#1

    Mar 01, 2012, 21:21 #19692

    I completely agree with you QuartzGooner, Wenger should just get the sack and go! The problem is he will not leave either, I mean would you leave while getting a salary of 7 million pounds a year, thats even more than Fabio Cappello got for England! WENGER OUT.MOURINHO IN! Come on you Gooners!

  28. Kenny

    Mar 01, 2012, 21:19 #19691

    Do yourself a favour follow me and dont renew your season ticket.You are just backing the Wenger regime.Which looks at a 4th place as a trophy,treats the domestic cups with distain and every year in Europe we get knocked out as soon as play a half decent team.Every season evolves into the previous season.Nothing ever changes and never will.Wake up and smell the coffee fellow Gooners before its too late

  29. norfolk gooner

    Mar 01, 2012, 20:34 #19689

    spot on Bunch. Alumunia, flappy, daiby, djourou, squillaci, chamakh, bendtner, denilson and vela,you must be talking about 500k a week,that's over 25m a year on wages, money which could be used for a world class striker to partner RVP,a midfielder and leftback.

  30. Gare Kekeke

    Mar 01, 2012, 20:30 #19688

    A decent article with some valid points. Did anyone catch the Radio Five Live special on our great club on Tuesday (28/02/12)? Without wishing to plug any programme on the BBC (as I don't work there, I work for another media organisation thank you very much!), I would suggest to all Gooners if you didn’t hear it catch on their iplayer service over the next few days. A few myths trotted out by the AKB’s (fans & journalists) were dispelled during the broadcast and a member of the AST spelt out a few worrying concerns too, but then a lot of Gooners have had those concerns for some time rather than those who insist Wenger is blameless for our gradual decline in recent years. Stan Kronke is not a man to be trusted either. To him our current position is success so he’ll happily retain the status quo, strange when you consider he paid a fortune to own almost 70% of a shareholding at our club. Having said all of this, I maintain that Wenger deserves credit for his overall contribution to our great club since his arrival in 1996 and I do go with the view from a lot of Gooners that he should leave the club at the end of the season with dignity. It’s the least he deserves. I’m sceptical about these so-called mass changes in the summer too if Wenger is still in charge. Considering how Wenger bangs on about youth and that we are linked with the likes of Podolski & Goetze, where will OGL find room for the likes of them and potentially more when he would want to at some point give game time to the likes of Joel Campbell (I bet Ramsey didn’t enjoy seeing his goal against the Welsh), Wellington Silva, Miyaichi, the Ox, Frimpong, Wilshire and the two lads from Barcelona? Still, up the Gunners!

  31. chrisy boy

    Mar 01, 2012, 20:26 #19687

    if wenger was to be removed from his post, who on the current board would you trust to employ the right manager. They are all stuck in a time warp waiting for the FFP to save us. If the owners and manager want our backing they need to get tough not only when barca or citeh come calling for our best players but with the under performing and injury prone players. Get Almunia, Diaby, Denilson, Bendtner, vela, etc etc etc of the pay roll and use there saved wages on a new contract for RVP and sign 4 or 5 quality players, we dont need to go mad and spend £50 million on one single player, but surely with the sale of all the deadwood within the squad which could easily raise £20 - £25 million plus the reported £50 million available now for transfers we could sign at least 5 quality players that would at least push us closer to citeh and utd. All of us can see that is what is needed why cant the powers that be within the club see that as well.

  32. Jekyll

    Mar 01, 2012, 20:02 #19686

    To those posters who keep saying 'we've never had it so good as under Arsene' - come this summer Wenger will have presided over the longest barren spell of a single manager in the entire history of AFC.

  33. olgitgooner

    Mar 01, 2012, 19:10 #19685

    The trouble with Arsene is that he has a degree in economics. It really isn't a managers job to turn in a good profit for the club. His job is to produce the best team possible. And to win trophies. He did that job fantastically well until about seven years ago. Since then he has been pre-occupied with finances. He's missed out on signing top, top players (Wengerism intended) for the sake of a few million quid. Being a skinflint is one thing. Being a skinflint who wastes money is quite another. Why spend £millions on improving the contracts of average players? We now can't even sell our dross to lesser clubs. They can't match the wages. Which means we don't have funds to buy superior players. Vicious circle. Add to this some astoundingly poor tactics. And our now famous shortcomings in defence. And Eboue. And Denilson. And Sylvestre. And other huge mistakes. I love Arsene for what he has done for our beloved club. I've seen some really lean times since the 1960's. I appreciate the difference between those times/these times. But I think he's lost the plot in recent years. Time for the manager to change. Or a change in manager.

  34. Clockender1

    Mar 01, 2012, 18:45 #19684

    I have to admit, i'm on the fence about Arsene now. A few months ago, i would have said it's time to go - but i look at the promise of chesney, frimpong, coquelin, Ox, Wilshire, gibbs, and lansbury, together with Vermaelen, Kos and RVP, i think we may still have the nucleus of a good squad (even Vela is banging in the goals every week in Spain now). add to that a pick up in form of Rosicky and Arteta, (now that they are playing in their true roles) and add in 2-3 world class players and i think we are at least contenders to Man United for second place in 2013, perhaps to even challenge City for top spot. but the proof needs to be seen - this team needs to show the desire and get 3rd place or get very close to it, and Arsene needs to sell or loan out Ramsay, Song, Diaby, bentdner, denilson, djourou, arshavin, etc etc very early in the summer and sign those 2-3 world class players up in May or June. Then he can stay. otherwise, if the team shows no passion and commitment and he persists with a centre two of the Ramsay and Song, and we continue to play the pedestrian sideways football we have been, and Diaby is welcomed back and we just scrape 4th or we miss out, then he can go. even caviar has a sell by date. c1

  35. lawrence

    Mar 01, 2012, 18:36 #19683

    i agree with you if wenger dont bring profesinal players in the squad and continue buying young players bieng nursurey for other clubs yes he better leave because arsenal will be without any trophy for a long time

  36. Realistic Andy

    Mar 01, 2012, 18:32 #19682

    7 years without a trophy?Wenger has to go.At no other top club in Europe would a manager be allowed to go 5 years without a trophy.He has gone stale.He cant motivated his players just watch the surrenders v Fulham Swansea Milan and Sunderland.His signings are poor,his tacics???What tactics???.We have four great players Szczesny Sanga TV and RVP.The rest are average to good.That is not good enough.And if Mourinho replaces 'Arry then you wont see Spurs arses for dust.When are the AKB's going to realise the height of our ambitions again is 4th.Big club?

  37. QuartzGooner

    Mar 01, 2012, 18:25 #19681

    A response to some of the criticisms I have got in the comment section. - To those who call my article "Rubbish" but do not qualify why, I say "Why bother writing a comment!". - To those who think Wenger leaving means that no other manager could be our boss, I suggest that there are other candidates whose merits would need a new article to discuss, but some names to consider might be: Bould, Platt, Mourinho, Klopp, Van Gaal, Coyle, Moyes, Guardiola, Garde, Ancelotti. - To those who claim my article is a contradiction, I fully acknowledge in the article that Wenger has likely been denied funds because of the new stadium, but my point is even with this lack of funding, he has mismanaged in other areas, especially regarding how he has spent what he has been given. -To those who claim Wenger is a genius in the transfer market, I say that he lost his edge some years ago. Since then we have too many mediocre players on high wages and long term contracts. - To those who say I am punishing Wenger for "Past Sins", I say you are lauding Wenger for success that is over seven years in the past. - To those who claim that I am unqualified to comment because I am not a professional footballer/manager/pundit, I suggest that shelling out (pro rata) a grand a year on tickets for the last fifteen years, plus hundreds of pounds a year on tickets and travel since the late 70's, gives me a say. - To those who say more noise at games is needed, I agree. I support the team with passion, regardless of the line up. But I do not have blind faith in a manager who has not brought success since 2005, and who has presided over shocking losses and haphazard defending with increasing regularity. - The article was written prior to the Spurs game, but one good win does not change my views.

  38. fozzy's mate

    Mar 01, 2012, 18:09 #19680

    Not the most articulate of articles but in essence and under a different board I agree OGL should go. However our board and manager have redefined the measure of what success is at any elite club. It should be silverware and glory not boring predictability of battling for 4th place and scraping into the last 16 of the ecl only to be promptly despatched by any elite club with a modicum of ambition. The problem is the board who value a healthy balance sheet and not sporting glory. In Wenger they have the perfect ally who could not wait to break up the invincibles, begin his personal crusade to prove the world wrong and redefine success, even willing to debate the definition of a trophy. If and when Wenger departs he will be replaced by someone eternally grateful for the job and even more of a yes man than than OGL surrounds himself with, like Kean at Blackburn and McCleish at the Villa. That's the only reason they got the job. This cycle of mediocrity with the odd highlight is here until silen tache and Ivan the walking MBA gazidis exit stage left.

  39. james

    Mar 01, 2012, 17:50 #19679

    been supporting arsenal since 1982 and it's time for him to go. he has embarassed the club and disrespected the intelligent fans for too long. we had a poor side back in the mid eighties but at least they wore the shirt with pride and had passion! didn't have to pay £100 to watch **** every week and have it called caviar.

  40. Halifax

    Mar 01, 2012, 17:29 #19678

    This article is garbage. More noise at Asburton Grove and less energy spent writting this sort of drivel is what our football club needs. Who do you want instead of Wenger?

  41. Mandy Dodd

    Mar 01, 2012, 17:25 #19677

    Keep Wenger, bring in Bould when Pat retires, and make sure his ideas are heard. Lose a few players that have no future here, keep our best, welcome Jack back, supplement with Podolski, Gourcuff / Hazard / Gotze (Gourcuff maybe the most realistic there) and Mathias Suarez, and develop the likes of Frimpong, Le Coq, Afobe, Campbell, Jenkinson and other promising youngsters. Look into the injuries, with frankness and honesty, even if conclusions are kept in house. Nothing remotely original in there but we could do ok with some of that lot! Afraid it is highly unlikely Dein would come back after he went over to Kronkes nemesis. Dein was not perfect, he got things right, and wrong but he put us first, to a fault....people outsde Arsenal might say, and his influence extended way beyond this club, few would argue he could benefit the club, but like it or not, Ivan is Kronkes man.

  42. LJB

    Mar 01, 2012, 16:20 #19676

    Look all the wenger lovers are going to have to get used to the idea that one day soon he will be gone.He has two more seasons left and then will be returning to France.Would you have him here well into his 70's looking more grey, wrinkly and scrawny by the day or would a younger more dynamic manager,preferably one who has won things at the highest level as a manager or player, be more suitable to take this club into a new era.The fact is Wenger does not know how to win trophies any more,and once fourth place has been relinquished what is the point of keeping him as manager? We all know Stan and co will not sack him so if we do not get fourth place i hope he does the decent thing and resigns.Somehow though i feel we will be having the same old discussions in 12 months time.

  43. Danny

    Mar 01, 2012, 16:17 #19675

    Excellent Analysis I blame Both. Board for sitting back and not motivating Wenger and pushing him to succeed. Wenger for beening content with failure and treating the money available like his we the fans , are not asking for 20-50million players, just quality players instead of park or chamakk

  44. Rob

    Mar 01, 2012, 16:10 #19674

    Quartz's points are valid and the suggestion of some posters that this is contradictory, is itself unbalanced. Last Summer's transfer window was a shambolic fiasco presided over by Wenger. It was he and not anyone else, who said that we could not be regarded as an ambitious Club if we sold Fabregas and Nasri. We all know what happened. It was he who had no backup plan when we were left to do a 'trolly dash' down the aisle at the last minute, grabbing whoever we could find. It is he and not any of his supposedly inadequate predecessors who have presided over a team that capitulates four goal leads and ships in eight for the first time since the nineteenth century. It is he - and it can't be anyone else who sanctions this over his head - who awards contracts to players like Chamakh, Squillachi and Djouru as well as the permanently unavailable Diaby, which are greater than what Modric or Bale get at Spurs. It is he who takes the unbelievably hubristic attitude that because he's 'Managed' 1500 games none can tell him anything. It is he who insults any journalist or critic who suggests that his back room staff need refreshing. And the list goes on. Seven years and counting. It will be eight next season. Does anyone seriously think that we will sign Podolski or Hazzard ? Why should any player other than one looking for a big pay day for doing little or nothing, come to Arsenal as it is currently set ? Would you really come here to win things ? And if 'Yes' - why did Fabregas, Nasri, Flamini Gallas and others decide others ? The front of the Gooner says 'In need of new direction' - and we are. And we are not going to get it sticking with the current losing formula.

  45. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Mar 01, 2012, 16:03 #19673

    Alex-top post there mate. I have been hard on Wenger in the past but If it comes out that he has been denied funds then that improves his case to stay as you so rightly point out. If Wenger would've got Cahill, Parker Baines and Mata in the summer we would've been flying this season. If you are saying that Wenger wanted to sign those players but was denied the funds to do so then fine, he can stay. Fine by me. I wonder if he would have signed all of those boys if the cash was in fact there for him to spend? Therein lies the problem... We are in the dark on these matters because the club don't feel that we, as customers (that's how they see us) have any right to know what's going on.

  46. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Mar 01, 2012, 15:37 #19671

    I'm more concerned about Ivan Gazidis' purpose. The club currently pays heavily, in more ways than one, a CEO that is a lifelong Manchester City fan. Since he's been on board, the club has sold Adebayor, Toure, Clichy and Nasri to....that's right. Not only that, but I'd wager he favours the choices and opinions of Stan over Arsene, what with Stan & Ivan sharing the philosophies of North American sports marketing. The whole "Arsene interviewed and appointed Gazidis" angle doesn't wash with me either. I think it's pretty clear in their body language toward each other that things aren't exactly rosy between them. Enough about that now, I'm off to do a bit of skiing practice in readiness for Milan at home.

  47. jjetplane

    Mar 01, 2012, 15:30 #19670

    Not the best-timed article in the week that we started walking in a spudless wonderland again and lansbury making messi look laboured - where was I? Lets see how we get on over the next month but dont be to quick to jump back on the Wenger train - if things improve for him whos to say he wont be jumping ship for Madrid come summer? What this article says is we have to keep all doors open even if sunday was like winning a trophy. football - funny stuff - ask Walnutt.

  48. foxinthebox2001

    Mar 01, 2012, 15:27 #19669

    If you read Alex Finn's book on the club, you will know the board asked AW if he can maintain mid table premiership status while funds would be directed to pay for the new stadium. He told them he thought the group of players he had coming through could not only do that but finish consistently in the top 4. He was true to his word. The problem is not AW. Silent Stan needs to invest in the team, if not, allow others into the boardroom who will.

  49. Makumycxs

    Mar 01, 2012, 15:20 #19667

    You are nuts. If wenger goes, who will manage the arse. Mourinho? Do you think he will go to a club that doesnt buy a player at 35 mil? The answer is no! So who else? Guus Hiddink is gone, scolari is spree spender,houllier cant help a club given more spending power than arsenal, AVB will do exactly what wenger is doing... so who? Sven? Warnock? Capello? Who ? YOU ARE NUTS. No one does it better than AW. So stick wirh him or go and support Rangers.

  50. Gambit

    Mar 01, 2012, 15:19 #19666

    Wenger Out. Laughable to hear money excuses when Arsenal cannot handle Fulham, Wolves and Sunderland! Please. One win and the AKBs are moist. Wenger is the cancer and he needs to go no matter what. Top 4 is not, and never will be an 'achievement' when your wage bill is £130 mil. Besides. I am going to laugh hard when he finishes 5th. What excuse will the AKBs make then eh? Nah methinks they shift the argument: 'Arsene has kept us in the top5 and European football, the Europa league is a good trophy' LOL

  51. Pat O'Cake

    Mar 01, 2012, 15:18 #19665

    Too many people on here are Arsene supporters and have forgotten that they used to support Arsenal Football Club. Anyone remember the lies spouted by AW about competing for top quality players when moving away from Highbury? Or his comment "We cannot claim to be a big club if we sell Cesc and Nasri?" How about the recent contract extension for Djourou? Or the fact that no clubs in world football are daft enough to take Bendtner, Vela or Denilson off us permanently because of their astronomic wages? Or the fact that we are paying the highest ticket prices in European football to watch a team scrambling for fourth position? All paths lead to Wenger. ARSENAL FOOTBALL CLUB not ARSENE PLC.

  52. Matt

    Mar 01, 2012, 15:02 #19664

    Actually Pires intercepted Vieira that game & I didn't know Fabregas was a defensive midfielder also. Pathetic

  53. Matt

    Mar 01, 2012, 14:48 #19663

    No plan B with Wenger ever, if Arsenal ever go down to 10 men (Newcastle springs to mind), watch the capitulation begin. I agree with some of the comments on here, hje is not a tactically astute manager, Attack or nothing, no emphasis on defending. Outscore the opponent, this is why we have been in so many high scoring games this season, hoping we will strike it lucky and score more than the other team. Defence is shoddy at best and there is only so many times you can blame something on bad luck. You have to learn from your previous mistakes, not being so stubborn to believe you are right all the time. Also people saying "Go and support Spurs", shut up. Its embarrassing. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, some people want the club to progress and not to settle for mediocrity or the decline we have witnessed over the last 6/7 years

  54. allybear

    Mar 01, 2012, 14:23 #19662

    Christos11 notice you dont mention defenceive reinforcements. Are you happy with the defence? As i have stated previously Wenger has been in charge for some of the clubs heaviest defeats in their history. But i know he will still be in charge until at least the end of his contract. Also as to conquering all im afraid its very naieve to think like that.

  55. Justin Floyd

    Mar 01, 2012, 14:22 #19661

    What superficial nonsense. The results under Arsene Wenger have been outstanding, the consistency and luxury of Champions League Football for 14 years in a row is extraordinary. As fans we have have been spoiled- which is maybe why some are acting like spoiled children - I want' does not mean 'I get'. Be thankful for what we have.

  56. Red Member

    Mar 01, 2012, 14:15 #19660

    according to Kroenke and Gazidis we have had 14 years of continued success. Wengers job is to continue that. if you are unhappy with that ambition you can do what I am doing from now on and boycott buying tickets. then the board might realise there are problems. until then nothing will happen

  57. Some of us still love you Arsene

    Mar 01, 2012, 13:59 #19659

    I'm with Alex. I accept Arsene isn't perfect, and I'm no AKB, but actually wanting him to go this Summer borders on lunacy.

  58. Jeff

    Mar 01, 2012, 13:53 #19658

    If Wenger goes there will be shortage of former managers who will be keen to take the job.These guys have won the cl and the league championship in the respective countries like Italy,Spain and Germany. No one is indispensable in modern soccer. The moment red faced stops winning and cannot win trophies ,he will be out. Wenger is lucky to survive so far but if he does not bring the guuners to challenge for trophies,his days will be numbered. Winning is more important than playing attractive soccer only to lose .

  59. bunch

    Mar 01, 2012, 13:49 #19657

    Look at the wage bill and you will see Wenger has had money and he's spent it. But too much of it has been on unproven talent. Much of the squad is on 50k or 60k a week. Barely half of them deserve that. His philosophy of investing in young players, singing them up to long contracts has proven to be a disaster. When they don't develop, we are stuck with them eating money that could be used for useful players. For the wages of Alumunia (60k) and Diaby(50k) we could get one world class player. The problem is he's making the same mistakes: Djourou's new contract! He's got to go.

  60. BFGooner

    Mar 01, 2012, 13:43 #19656

    And I suppose if you manage to get rid of Wenger, one of you clever armchair football managers will be more than qualified and competent to take over from him and win trophies forever for Arsenal?

  61. Ajayi joseph

    Mar 01, 2012, 13:28 #19654

    Tell me, if we axe wenger who are we gonna take. He is simply the best.

  62. C

    Mar 01, 2012, 13:27 #19653

    Terrible article. Fans like you could (if they got there way) destroy the club. Wenger is the only person holding us in the top 4, and against the wishes of some very greedy and deluded are Arsenal fans. IAWT

  63. Der Projekt ist Kaput

    Mar 01, 2012, 13:25 #19652

    Think the main problems with Wenger is his bloody-mindedness mixed with serious flaws regarding tactics. Stubborness with his project youth (I think you can guess by my User Name what I think about that) and his complete unwillingness, or perhaps inability, to change tactics as dictated by the situation or opposition. OK, a manager can be hamstrung by finances and not have the money Chelsea and Man City have - but surely you can alter the game plan once in a while? Recently Swansea (a team nowhere near as 'rich' as us) taught us a football lesson. To question Wenger's reign at the stature of Arsenal after 7 tropheyless years is not putting your devotion to the test. On the contrary - wanting a change to get Arsenal where it belongs is surely a loyal act. If that means a new manager, then so be it. Keep your views coming, Quartz. From reading the Gooner Forum (hopefully be back soon), you're one of the more level-headed contributors and deserve a better response.

  64. tpm

    Mar 01, 2012, 13:23 #19651

    one admittedly excellent win against spurs and all the akbs are out in force, having forgotten the rest of this shambolic season, criticising a very valid article from a contributor, who is you folow the forum, is far from a rapid 'wenger out merchant'. to those that say the article lacks foundation, how? all the arguments are true. to those who have posted thus far: John: what about current sins, suppose your happy with this season now we bet spurs? the issues are still unresolved. Andy_gooner: what budget, whys the wage bill so high and the money been wasted on scillachi, park, BFG etc?? Barry Bethel: where do we start, song one of the best midfielders in the league, i wont even bother on that one. hes decent no more. as for the finance issue see above comments. Aleax: again see finance issue as above, lets just ignore the tactics, poor signings, misplaced loyalty etc etc shall we??? tony the true gooner: WUM, never know a better time under any manager....o dear suffer from amnesia is your issue.

  65. mark from aylesbury

    Mar 01, 2012, 13:22 #19650

    The whole situation feels contradictory at the moment. To my mind my summing up is that Wenger has become part of the problem and therefore I would hope he will hand over the reigns. The players to varying degrees want to play for him so it is not an AVB situation where the dressing room is lost, But has an Arsenal manager ever managed with such perceived lack of pressure? Terry Neil, George Graham, Bertie Mee had all gone just a few seasons after major prizes (Graham was apparently going anyway). A manager who drove success but paradoxically is now one of our least successful measured on a 5 year trophy count. As others have said let us at least have a change of coach who can sort out a defence.

  66. John Gooner

    Mar 01, 2012, 13:21 #19649

    I think your arguments are entirely pointless. Are you saying that Wenger shouldn't be the manager because of his transfer dealings?! Wenger is the best manager in the transfer market bar none - What he does on a shoe-string budget is remarkable! Evidence: Last season we finished 4th, made a tidy profit on dealings of around £45m; this season we may well finish 4th again (3rd at a push). If the signings Wenger made on the last day of the window facilitate this, then in the cold light of day, his dealings can only be viewed as a success. Wenger should go because he has forgotten how to win. He has learned how to accept failure and he has taught the players to do the same. This is entirely evident in the lack of commitment shown by the players on an all to regular basis. Wenger should go because Jonny Arsenal on the street and all of his pals care more about success of the club than the board and the players put together.

  67. GILBO

    Mar 01, 2012, 13:02 #19648

    I have supported Arsenal since 1952, this is the best period I can remember with Arsene at the helm.

  68. Mike

    Mar 01, 2012, 13:02 #19647

    The article is shallow and has no logic and is extremely shallow. For every name you mention there is an equivalent success story - in fact the very young person who essentially replaced Viera was a success. I remember there was a high profile Champions league match whereby they came up against each other soon after Viera left - the youngster dispossessed Viera in the midfield and ran on to score - his name was Fabregas - seems that the author is riding the back of popular sentiment on this site

  69. Website Admin

    Mar 01, 2012, 12:51 #19645

    The Gooner encourages all views from Arsenal fans, but we won't publish content which is abusive and disrespectful. If you disagree with the authors opinions, then by all means comment and explain why, but don't bother if all you're going to do is swear as it's a waste of your time since the only person who will see it is the moderator just before they press the delete button.

  70. David Dein

    Mar 01, 2012, 12:46 #19644

    Bring back David Dein, I don't think any fans care about the board politics. He was such a help to AW and a class man to have running the club! It can't just be coincidental that we've won sweet f.a. since he left

  71. John

    Mar 01, 2012, 12:44 #19643

    Weird punitive article, you want to sack Wenger as a punishment for, in your view, past sins. Qwerty hindsight expertise at its worst.

  72. andy_gooner

    Mar 01, 2012, 12:38 #19642

    Are you piers Morgan is disguise? Board have to go - Kroenke, Hill-Wood, Gazidis OUT!! No manager will be able to do what Wenger does with the budget he has........ there are too many plastic fans who don't realise Wenger cannot sign anyone decent with the wage cap at Arsenal

  73. Christos11

    Mar 01, 2012, 12:37 #19641

    Wenger is not the problem.. i do agree with you maybe we should get rid of 2 or 3 .. ie Scillaci, Park , Djourou but NO WAY should be get rid of Wenger. we need 3 players of quality .. and we will conquer all. 1) a attacking right winger for when Theos not doing it .. a attacking Midfielder and a striker to give Van a break

  74. Judge Fred

    Mar 01, 2012, 12:34 #19640

    AW should stay as manager on 3 conditions: 1) he abandons Project Youth; 2) he re-vamps the coaching staff to include some defensive elements; 3) we buy proven, high class players in the Summer. Given the high probability that none of these 3 things will happen, thanks for the memories but its time to move on.

  75. Legolas

    Mar 01, 2012, 12:31 #19639

    In Arsene we trust

  76. Mohd Isa

    Mar 01, 2012, 12:27 #19638

    Agree with the observations and comments. Take for example the defence.Since 2006,Arsenal have a 2nd or 3rd rate compared to the top teams.The defenders were not of a quality to win games. The signing of both Silvester and Campbebl was laughable.No wonder Messi was unplayable.He was on a different planet. You look at the high scoring games .Liverpool 4 Arsenal 4,Spurs 4 Arsenal 4 . Although the gunners scored four goals they were unable to win. This has happened since 2005.Obviously Wenger dooesn't bother about defence. It's the same for the forwards.Ashvin scored four goals againstt Liverpool.Since then he has been a pale shadow of himselff. I believed he has been played out of position. Don't be surprised Arsenal revert to their own inconsistent form against Pool. I f Arsenal can't get the 4th spot,perhap a new manager can introduce the basic changes needed to get the gunners firing again.

  77. Tony Evans

    Mar 01, 2012, 12:27 #19637

    You are absolutely correct. This smoke screen that the pro Wenger camp puts about regarding lack of cash is not a reason to keep Wenger even if it is true which I doubt. All the reasons you give add up to a powerful argument to replace him, but I have a feeling that he will be at the helm next season come what may.

  78. Barry Bethel

    Mar 01, 2012, 12:27 #19636

    I think that Article seriously foundation, to look solely at what Arsenal have done over the last few years is completely meaningless, the landscape of the Premier League has changed completely and to assume we can compete with City and Chelsea's money whilst moving stadium is completely naive and igorant. Have you even seen Song this season? he physically dominates the midfield and is widely seen as one of the best DMs in the Prem. I bet you were one of the haters 2 seasons ago who was insisting he should be sold. Whilst things haven't been great this season or last, to assume we would have done better WO Wenger is just short sighted and again igorant. Wenger has over performed when you look at the resources he has, when the time comes that we adjust our wage structure and transfer funds are available I have no doubt that we will be in the running for titles and cups but this will be more difficult than when it was between us and Man United and Chelsea and City money has changed the premier league. Overall a very poor article.

  79. Alex

    Mar 01, 2012, 12:23 #19635

    The author says " However, I contend that, even if Wenger has been denied funds, he should not manage us next season." I hope you realise how contradictory your own statement is. No manager in the world can work without a budget of some sort and you concede that AW has been working on scraps and yet you want him to go? This is the height of prejudice in my view. With a net transfer inflow of 33 million pounds profit, Wenger has single handedly helped Arsenal through the transition to our new home. Now just as the pressure on our revenues eases and we are able to spend again, Wenger is asked to go! Thats hugely short sighted, ungrateful and idiocy on an industrial scale.

  80. John

    Mar 01, 2012, 12:20 #19634

    If neither are willing/able to change then both the board and the manager should go, but who can make this happen?

  81. DBO

    Mar 01, 2012, 12:17 #19633

    Agreed. I love Wenger for what he's done but the squad has gone stale and he's loyal to too many crap players. New ideas, new tactics and new faces could breathe new life into us. It's always a gamble changing the manager but we need some freshness

  82. Danish Gooner

    Mar 01, 2012, 12:16 #19632

    It really is a futile discussion,the board will never ever in a million years fire Wenger when his pay package is 7 mil a year,we are stuck with him like it or not.Is the next three years gonna be a train crash happening in slow motion,who knows,i certainly dont hope so.One thing is for certain we will not win another trophy of any importance under Wenger but another three years of qualifying for the Cl will make it easier for the new manager to take over.

  83. Gideon

    Mar 01, 2012, 12:14 #19631

    A decent, yet flawed article. I agree that Wenger should leave in the summer; he has failed to replace key players. However, my key reason is that he is actually not the best tactical manager around. Last season we had a team capable of winning the league, but as soon as injury and the disappointment of the Carling cup final had occurred, Wenger failed to lift the moral of his team. Even before we beat chelsea at home in december 2010, Wenger had not realised who his best eleven were. He played Diaby, our least mobile, midfielder in defencive midfield against Barcelona, the most mobile team on earth. Yes he inpired our style of football but his lack of adaptability is killing us. I think he should go. Madrid would suit him perfectly.

  84. mjl

    Mar 01, 2012, 12:14 #19630

    What a superficial analysis. Sounds like an overheard pub conversation. ' We need to replace Viera' 'Park is rubbish!' 'Gunnersaurus tail is too big'. The only thing average and unproved is this article.

  85. Tony the true Gunner!

    Mar 01, 2012, 12:09 #19629

    you are a idiot and a cockeral paper fan. I have been supporting Arsenal since 1968 and I have never known a better time under any manager although the Anfield win rates high. be careful what you wish for!

  86. tony

    Mar 01, 2012, 12:04 #19628

    I say, the Board got to go Not Wenger !!