Arsenal Wage Structure Needs An Overhaul

But Arsene’s the man to do it



Arsenal Wage Structure Needs An Overhaul

RVP: Underpaid and on the way?


And so we find ourselves contemplating another season in which we’re left empty handed. There are those that would call for the manager’s head and those that defend Mr Wenger with the same blind loyalty that Michael Jackson fans reserve for the late king of pop. I've criticised Arsene as much as anyone but I'm now slowly coming around to the idea that we are where we are.

We simply cannot pay the same wages as certain other clubs but one of the major issues for us has been Arsene's collecting of cr*p young players in the hope that these ducklings will become swans one day.

If Wenger’s gamble had paid off then our front line would currently consist of Bendtner and Vela supporting Van Persie. Denilson and Diaby would be joining Wilshire in midfield and Senderos would be the other half of a centre back duo with Djourou his partner.

But none of these players now play for us and most are now plying their trade on loan for other clubs. The number of players on our books is ridiculous as we seem to have gone for quantity over quality and it is here that the club has been wasteful and our fans rightfully aggrieved.

I don’t think the faithful would begrudge Van Persie £150-200k a week but the wage squad solidarity we have means we can’t rid ourselves of the deadwood and that is really costing us.

When everyone is paid similar sums – where is the incentive to landing a first team place and keeping it? We have to return to rewarding success so there is a distinct difference in the earnings of players that are going out there week in, week out playing for Arsenal football club such as Szczesny and the likes of Almunia who has fewer clean sheets in goal for West Ham than Henri Lansbury.

The problem is that the cash in the club’s coffers do not belong to Arsene but he spends it as though it is. His reluctance to spend said cash is admirable, given the debt burden of the stadium. With Arsene at the helm, every season we have moved further and further to 2014 which will hopefully coincide with a cash bonanza brought about through a new shirt sponsorship deal and the subsequent clearance of the club’s debt.

When you consider all that Arsene has endured in terms of abuse from fans at having completed yet another season sans silverware, it would seem harsh to ask him to stand aside following fifteen years in which he has helped move the club to a bigger stadium and left it in a position where it stands on the edge of clearing its debt and challenging United as a self-sustaining beacon of virtue in how a club should be run.

I’ll go on record and say admit I was wrong and that Arsene should be the man to lead us now and when the debt is clear – let’s just change the wage structure, eh Arsene?


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  1. Carlos

    Mar 04, 2012, 11:16 #19766

    Canada Gooner: Torres and Crespo weren't signed by managers. Berbatov was top scorer in a team that won the Premier league, and we'll see if signing the likes of Carroll doesn't cost Dalglish his job. The point about Park is that he is not deemed good enough to make the bench, never mind get on the grass for the first team. You are right, all managers make mistakes, most of them, however, are brought to task over them.

  2. Any old Iron

    Mar 04, 2012, 1:21 #19763

    @Canada Goose you narf babble on matey. is the Yukon a wilderness. Great win today against all odds. RVP-SUPERB! Great crosses too!

  3. Mike

    Mar 03, 2012, 19:08 #19760

    @ theos bikini line - thought of that. IMO it doesn't count because they are in that competition because they were knocked out of the CL . they would be there otherwise so they failed - Chelsea wheels also falling off and I don't think they will get the money for any more re-enforcements. If they sack AVB then they have spent more on managers then they did on that prolific striker Torres -mmm RVP at 3 mill or Torres at 50 mill?

  4. CanadaGooner

    Mar 03, 2012, 17:50 #19756

    @Any old Lady: perspective is all we ask for. anyone who is a fan enough to spend time posting on here is passionate about his/her team and we all want to win trophies. we're now middlesborough or spurs, who had to wait donkey years for a trophy. yes, 7 years is a long time, but dont make it sound like we havent been winning anything prior to those 7 years. after the disastrous start we made to this season, i dont think anyone thought we would win any trophies, so, let's stay with what's important for us right now, which is to finish as high up the table as we can. after 7 years of winning nothing, i think most arsenal fans would rather finish 7th or 8th in the league this season if it meant we could win a trophy (be it the carling cup or otherwise); that's a sign of how frustrated we are, but winning a trophy will also help our current squad to get a taste for winning things and they will perhaps keep it going. so, on that count i dont disagree with you. however, now that we know we're going to have to wait a while longer before winning a trophy, what's the point of not rallying behind the team and setting aside these silly arguments! 2 difficult matches in a row; both won, and in spectacular fashion, from behind. as long as we dont now go on to drop points to some bottom table side, we can catch spurs and end all the nonsense being said on here about harry this, harry that (prematurely; and in any case, one or two good seasons doesnt suddenly better 15 solid consecutive seasons and over 20 years of total domination of spurs). so, a bit of perspective is all some of us are calling for. feel free to relieve wenger of his position at the end of the season (wont solve much either), but right now, let's all rally behind the team!

  5. Jimmy

    Mar 03, 2012, 17:41 #19755

    Tend to agree with Jekyll. I'd like Wenger to stay if I knew he was going to change, but there's nothing in his actions over the last 2-3 years which suggests that he is going to change his ways otherwise he'd have done it by now. He'd have got a new number two, he'd have got a defensive coach, he'd have stopped handing out contracts to players that don't deserve it, and so the list goes on. I admire everything he has done for the club and don't want him to completely spoil his place in Gooner hearts by outstaying his welcome. And yes, I know we've had an exceptionally good week and have an outstanding chance of still finishing fourth which is great, but I'm not optimistic about us challenging for any higher than that next season under Wenger.

  6. Theo's Bikini-Line

    Mar 03, 2012, 16:25 #19752

    Mike 10:31am 3rd Mar 2012: "Also despite their spending, one of the Manchester clubs are also going to end up with nothing this year" - Post No. 21813 Maybe but not necessarily true my friend. One of the Manchester clubs could win the League while the other wins the Europa Cup.

  7. Jekyll

    Mar 03, 2012, 12:35 #19751

    You want Wenger to stay on the proviso he changes the wage structure. He's just improved Djourou's contract. These people who try and sit on the fence and say 'I want Wenger to stay, but change' are deluding themselves. Either you Wenger to stay and therefore things to stay as they are, or you want change, which means a change of manager. Those are the two positions we're all faced with choosing between here.

  8. Any old Iron

    Mar 03, 2012, 11:40 #19750

    Using examples of players purchased by other clubs as justification for ineptitude on the part of Wenger is crass. If Park cost 10m of course it's a ridiculous fee. Wenger keeps feeding French clubs. As for football knowledge- Berbatov a failure? Erm.. don't think so, he's still there getting contracts and attracting interest. Torres may yet come good, has a sell on value, and the idea that Carroll is an abject failure is well wide of the mark. Dalglish is manager of the football club, not Arsene's financial corp-as referred to by someone recently. Agree with posters who have stated that fans of clubs carrying off trophies see spending as value for money. That's why we're fans. What are you lot? Shareholders. A Carling cup for fans is superior to 4th spot. 4th spot for Wenger is superior. Think about it. City may not win a trophy. But they've had a go though, AND LIKE ARNIE WILL BE BACK- unlike a club in N5 who have/will do neither. Wenger apologists are living in a numbes nirvana!

  9. Mike

    Mar 03, 2012, 10:31 #19749

    Also despite their spending, one of the Manchester clubs are also going to end up with nothing this year

  10. CanadaGooner

    Mar 02, 2012, 23:08 #19747

    @ Carlos: you sir are an idiot and you dont have any football knowledge whatsoever! "wenger should be sacked if Park cost $10m?". there wont be a single manager in a job if that's the reason to fire a manager you idiot. If I begin listing the number of disastrous players that have been bought over the years including Hernan Crespo, Berbatov, Torres, Carroll.... and those aint even the worst. Then by your clever analysis, Fergie and every other manager should be sacked. And I suppose we should hire you as the next manager?

  11. Freddie

    Mar 02, 2012, 22:38 #19746

    CanadaGooner the Liverpool fans dont care what they spent they won a trophy.Ask any Man City fan if they cares what they have spent.I am fed up with fans saying Wenger is a genius because of the profits he makes us.Do we support a football team because we make profits?I want to see quality signings and silverware not Gazidis telling us what a well run club we are who wins nothing

  12. Ronster

    Mar 02, 2012, 22:29 #19745

    James(21799)...absolutely.The Diaby situation is a disgrace of epic proportions.Distinctly average footballers without a pot to p**s in have creamed off the Champions League money,could retire tomorrow and never have to work again.Arguably one of our greatest servants Frank McLintock recently revealed that his ENTIRE career earnings amounted to £90,000.Hell would have to freeze over before I hand over any more of my hard earned dosh to 'Arsene' Football Club.

  13. CanadaGooner

    Mar 02, 2012, 21:32 #19743

    And how exactly has Wenger profitted from paying these huge wages to these donkeys? Or is he simply so happy to revel in not winning any trophies? Let's have some perspective amidst this silliness please! Wenger's only undoing is his stubbornness. He's a football manager, not a fortune-teller! nobody has a crystal ball! I'm sure Chelsea felt they were being clever buying Torres and Dalglish looked like the cat that got the cream when he unveiled Carroll. If you do a balance sheet of players bought and sold by Wenger (and throw into the equation the trophies he's won minus the ones he should have won and didnt)the answer will equal: over-achievement, compared to what Man Utd spent under Fergie or what Chelsea spent under Mourinho and definately much better than what Liverpool have spent under Dalglish to win a Carling cup trophy with zero appearance in the champions league so far. By the time Mancini wins the Europa Cup, City would have spent more money than Manchester City Council makes in council taxes! So, before you all keep falling off your droll, some perspective please! And NO, I'm not an AKB + I still think Wenger needs to leave at the end of the season; but not for the silly, illogical moans you lot come up with!

  14. Carlos

    Mar 02, 2012, 21:12 #19742

    I've just heard on that Radio 5 programme that Park cost £10 million. If this is so Wenger should be sacked immediately

  15. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 02, 2012, 20:53 #19741

    The only and I mean only possible reason to give the likes of Djourou a contract extension is to make sure we can get a fee for them when they are inevitably sold? or else they go for free...that would be great I hear you shout but at least there might be a slight chance of recouping their wages? Not sure what we sold Eboue for but that was better than nothing. The only other problem would who in the hell is going to buy them? Denilson struggles in Brazil, Bendtner doesn't play even though he has been injured, Vela is now scoring goals but at a lower spanish team, Squillaci cannot get in this team, likewise Djourou(thankfully). If I am not mistaken Almunia has been rumoured to leave for the last two years but no one wants to buy him or pay his ridiculous wages in the mean time....catch and 22 come to mind. And lo and behold Diaby who could be very good is now back fit, but for how long we ask? Everyone on this site or at the ground names the same players to get rid so in time they will go, please sooner rather than later so we can get the two or three players of quality we once again have all named in to bolster the squad and get back to winning trophies.....please oh pretty please...

  16. divingrooney

    Mar 02, 2012, 19:30 #19740

    When we are dealing with young kids like Walcott etc, you never know what the final outcome is. Today, Wenger stands vindicating on RVP, but till last year everyone was like, sell this sicknote, he is useless baggage etc etc. Of course, he was injured like Vermalean is these days, or Diaby or Gibbs, but Wenger has to make a contract decision on basis of talent, else the player leaves on a free like Flamini. It is very tough, and one can never get it right. But Anelka, Toure and Fabregas sale have generated enough funds for Wenger to buy 50-100 young stars, pamper them and hope they become world beaters. And fans are fickle, Djourou was hailed last season as our best defender, when we had gone 20 game without loss with him in the team. And today, people are questioning why he is offered a new contract...

  17. Ando

    Mar 02, 2012, 19:18 #19739

    when the debt is clear Arsene will give Diaby a contract extension and sell lansbury and frimpong

  18. allybear

    Mar 02, 2012, 19:16 #19738

    Cant understand why people say give AW more time&he will get it right. His failings have been apparent for quite a few years&this blind faith in him amazes me. What will people do when he eventually leaves? New manager needed in the summer&there are many candidates.

  19. James

    Mar 02, 2012, 18:59 #19737

    Wenger told the board to give Diaby Denilson Almunia Bendtner and Vela long term contracts on massive wages now we cant get rid of them.And only last week he gave Djourou a contract extension.The man hasnt a clue.Just watch him give Park a 5 year contract.Surely Diabys wages should be frozen till he plays 10 games in a row.£60k a week for 16 minutes this season and fans are losing their jobs.A ****ing disgrace

  20. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 02, 2012, 18:54 #19736

    Graham your quite right the cash does not belong to arsene and we may not be able to pay the same as other clubs but your right all the stops should be pulled out to keep RVP but not being able to compete with other clubs doesn't stop arsene paying far to much to complete and utter dross like djourou who has been given a fat new contract and other wasters such as bendtner and the rest on loan on such high wages that they can't be sold not to mention our back up keepers who would struggle to get into a championship side all on very good contracts and now walcott looking for 90k a week which no doubt he'll get for one good half in god knows how long i hardly think it describes arsene as admirable in his reluctance to spend cash it would be more admirable if he'd spent it wisely as i'm sure the wages and new contracts would all be getting the ok from him. Somebody else pointed out on here if we could some how get rid of all the wasters we might be able to pay the wages of a couple of top top quality players, or as you say the wage structure changes which i very much doubt even with a new sponsorship deal and the clearance of dept.

  21. brian

    Mar 02, 2012, 17:53 #19734

    The emirates revenue is over £ 46 million than Highbury. Interstest payments £15million per year. Capital payments not due for years. What problem. million more than from highbury. I

  22. StuartL

    Mar 02, 2012, 16:46 #19733

    Perhaps the wages of the youngsters (and indeed squad players) should be based on a lower flat wage, with bonus paid for making the first team squad for a game and further enhanced for playing time and win bonus. That way if we have a no hoper like Sqillaci, nowhere near the first team or Diaby / Rosicky who are constantly injured they only collect the lower rate flat wage. Instead of sitting back collecting their £40 -50k a week, they actually have to earn it. Who knows we may see a bit more effort and passion that way.

  23. Trevor

    Mar 02, 2012, 16:40 #19732

    Only Wenger would give £60k wages to the likes of Diaby and Denilson,£52k to Bendtner and then people wonder why we cant get them off the wage bill.How can RVP be earning only £20k a week more than Diaby???

  24. Ramgun

    Mar 02, 2012, 16:38 #19731

    Wrong Ziggy. Mourinho won the Champions League with Porto without spending much at all. Nobody is asking for Arsenal to spend stupidly, just invest wisely. Massive contracts to garbage like Denilson and Almunia (amongst many others) is a shocking waste of money. It is a shame that some people swallow Wenger's strawman spin and invoke visions of Rangers and Portsmouth that are totally irrelevant. Wenger will never change. Never, never, NEVER!!!

  25. CanadaGooner

    Mar 02, 2012, 15:56 #19730

    Most times I'm left baffled by the sorts of analogies posted on here. Wenger - Michael Jackson? Fans loyal to MJ are loyal to his music. Fans loyal to Wenger are not happy with 7 trophyless seasons (they are as much of an Arsenal fan as anyone else), neither is Wenger. The wage structure at Arsenal lacks consistency and it's vastly out of touch, but you only have to take one look at Peter Hill-wood and everything becomes crystal clear! As for Gazidis, he's a late addition, so for once, I wont saddle him with the blame as the mess was already there before he joined Arsenal; only problem is, he says the very wrong things each time he opens his gob. There's always going to be a struggle in modern day football in terms of determining a player's worth and wages; the minute you have a structure in place, the Abramovichs of this world will turn up and out of the window goes your carefully laid out structure. There's nothing wrong with how Arsenal's pitched it over the years; the problem is our dis-interest in winning trophies particularly in the last 6 years; we have several chances e.g. Carling Cup against Chelsea when we decided to play a bunch of kids in the final because they got us there? (who does that????? who cares who got us in the final; once you're there, you MUST play your strongest side; otherwise, why bother?!); also, several premiership run-ins where we crumbled in November, CL final; Carling Cup final against B'ham.... The list goes on. If we had done the right thing and brought in some experienced players 5 years ago (like we now have, with verminator, yossi, arteta etc), we would be sat here talking about 2 year trophyless run, not 7!

  26. Mike

    Mar 02, 2012, 15:50 #19729

    I think one issue is that people want marquee signings - last year the signings covered the bases with reasonable players - the marquee signing is not going to happen. People keep going on about Parker and Cahill - Don't forget, Arsenal made a bid for Cahill and were told to get lost - in the end Cahil was sold to Chelsea for the same amount that Arsenal offered. Its a matter of opinion but I thought Arteta was a better buy than Parker - the rest of the new signings have not done badly. The team on Saturday had for the first time this season a bench that started to look like something half decent. With the likes of Santos, Wilshire ans Ramsey on it, the team looks good. Two more players are needed, but don't expect Schneider or the likes

  27. Ron

    Mar 02, 2012, 14:16 #19727

    When the issue of 'project youth' comes along, i always cas my mind back to the CC FInal when the likes of Adebayor, Denilson, Traore, Djourou, Diaby, Song, Fabregas and Walcott, Senderos were all out there and most fans were frothing and enthusing over the boss's 'genius' and 'future' despite defeat that afternoon. Compare it to now! Fabregas aside none have been total successes and Fabs was a known stick on cert to become a great player even then, with or without whatever Arsenal could offer him. Project youth has failed, but only in terms of no trophies and the criticism even then should only be for the last 4- 5 years minimum upon the basis that most of us were supporting the project until at least the collapse in 08 and the Eduardo catastrophe in truth. Its succeeded in keeping the Club up there or abouts nontheless and of course solvent. If the towel has been truly thrown in as to actually 'competing' with City Chels and Man U, then Wenger has been a 'success' for the last 7 years, though not in terms of the rationale fans apply to the meaning of 'success'. This is the conundrum. He remains open to being criticised for not supplementing his youth project with fairly cheap and experienced players (Parker types if you like et al though i dont reckon hes that brilliant to be honest). Its largey these type of considerations that the Board faces (as well as looking in a mirror at themselves) that will deem it that Mr Wengers stays on unless he decides to jack it in, whatever views us supporters might offer up. There isnt a conclusive, open and shut case to sack Wenger basically and Arsenals Board historically always want a deep crisis before they dispose of a boss going back decades. Hes staying and we have to accept it, either in celebration of the fact or through gritted teeth.

  28. Dav Chris

    Mar 02, 2012, 14:11 #19726

    I remember a game against Blackburn in the 1997/98 title winning season. Bergy played as well as anyone ever has for the first 10 games of the season; everyone believed we would win the title, but then form began to dip. We lost 3-o to Derby away and then went down 1-3 to Blackburn at Highbury. It hurt real bad. Leaving the West Stand of THOF as Tim Sherwood scored the third, I stopped for a slash, and overheard a comment made by one unhappy gooner to another as they too relieved themselves at the urinals, "I hear Venables is available now." I agree with you - Wenger should stay, fans should ride the storm.

  29. RJ

    Mar 02, 2012, 13:44 #19723

    I find the mention of the King of Pop in such a trivial way deeply offensive. But.... This is the second article this week to claim Weng doesn't spend - he does - The Ox - £12m, Gervhino - £12m, Arteta - £8m, Park - £10m, Jenks - £1m, Campbell - £1m, BFG - £10m - we spend money, just in the wrong way. And that's just off the top of my head about last Summer Yes, the wage structure is different to everybody elses, and probably counter-productive - but we have to suck this up for a wee while yet until these ridiculous contracts run their course - no one is going to buy Almunia, Denilson, Swillaci... they will go off our books when they are out of conract and then have to face the drop in wages. For now, we have to live with it. And are royally in the doodoo if we fail to get Champs League and are left with a Champs League wage structure.

  30. Apollo

    Mar 02, 2012, 13:31 #19722

    Sorry but why should Wenger get the chance to clear up the mess he created in the first place? He's had at least 5 years to change his policy and hasnt done so. He deserves no more chances to get it right. Oh and Djourou just got a new (and presumably imrpoved) contract so I wont be holding my breath waiting for a change to the wage structure while uncle Arsene is still in charge.

  31. Bob

    Mar 02, 2012, 12:57 #19720

    Graham, it is akin to believing that the titanic would never have sunk if only it had not had third-class passengers on board taking up deck space. Captain Wenger not only failed to see the iceberg, he has continued to steer the ship on the same course even after he hit it.

  32. Gare Kekeke

    Mar 02, 2012, 11:46 #19719

    I agree that the wage structure needs a massive overhaul.........but Wenger is not the man to oversee it. For me he'll continue to believe that the vast majority of the squad should be on the same amount of money to create sqaud harmony and when for a variety of reasons we try to sell that player, as in the case with Bendtner, Denilson et al last summer, we struggle to sell them because of their extorniate weekly wage. But the board will have to play their part in this too. That's why for me a new manager is required in the summer. He'll get on with coaching and picking the team whilst the likes of Gazidis can do the administritive side, which is what in essence he's paid to do.

  33. Carlos

    Mar 02, 2012, 10:35 #19718

    From what one hears it appears that when David Dein was sacked, the sweetener for Wenger to remain was that he would have sole control over all technical matters and that he would have a football budget with which he could do as he pleased. His position of strength was such that he apparently had the last word on who would be named Chief Executive. Absolute power, as far as I am concerned brings with it ultimate responsibility. If we have 70 odd players who earn what they reportedly do, it is entirely down to the manager. One of the principal qualities a manager must have is an eye for talent - if he can see that talent before his competitors, then the club has a distinct advantage. It is undeniable that for the first 8-9 years of his tenure this was absolutely true of Wenger (Vieira, Anelka,Henry, Pires, Touré, Gilberto, Edu, Cesc, Van Persie, Ljundberg). In addition he also had the knack of picking up players whose future was in question (Overmars, Kanu). However, he has lost that eye and he has lost the knack. What’s more I think he knows it, and the fundamental reason we don't sign the players we ought to is that he is frightened of being brought to task for making big signings who bomb, such as Reyes and Arshavin. So he is happy to deploy a scattergun approach to young signings in the hope that he can recover the aura he once had as an unequalled spotter of talent and the press will laud him. If they bomb, after all, no one asks questions. His apologists point to a net transfer benefit as mark of his genius, forgetting the ludicrous wage bill - what exactly is the total football spend since the move to the new stadium? - which means that the distinctly mediocre are hugely overpaid, and that top talent such as Juan Mata, won’t give us the time of day. We cannot compete with Man Utd, City or Chelsea, but what frustrates many fans is that we don’t even appear to be making the best of what we have

  34. tim, london

    Mar 02, 2012, 10:13 #19717

    100% true. Best article in this site for a while

  35. ziggy

    Mar 02, 2012, 10:03 #19716

    This article as a whole in my opinion is about Arsenal as a club and not Wenger.Some comments I find astonishing, yes no trophies but are we more interested in ending up like Rangers or Portsmouth or having a 'Mourinho' who cant operate with spebding £300 million we dont have on players. We must realise that spending huge sums on players doesnt guarantee success either.We talk about mediocre players however they have challenged and been there abouts bar this season.we also forget our bad luck with Injuries and agents,media and other clubs unsettling our best players every season.We are competing against teams with bottomless pits of cash and i think with our resources we're doing ok although se can do much better.You can spend whatever you want but the player must also want to play for you.Robinho was paid mega bucks at City but wanted to be at United or Chelsea and settled for Milan.Do we want another Reyes? Wake up guys and stop belueving the media gob****e.Did they ever mention Liverpools 6 non trophy years? Hell no wh

  36. Garbage

    Mar 02, 2012, 9:22 #19713

    Idiotic. Classic traits of the AKB: writes a whole piece summarising the total mess WENGER HAS MADE...then concluded by saying he's the man to lead us out of it!!! Oh dear, it's like saying "the bankers caused a massive economic mess but only they can get us out of it". Pure paradoxical nonsense if I ever read and further proof Wenger needs to go. Whose choice was it to offer Djourou a new contract? Who signed Gervinho on £70k a week? And what has money got to do with anything when Fulham, Sunderland and Milan (all lower wage bills) are spanking Arsenal??! It's a MANAGERIAL problem we have here pure and simple. Wenger HAS to go. A derby win changes nothing on that front. Wenger Out.

  37. lool

    Mar 02, 2012, 9:17 #19712

    an AKBs dream, there probably aroused reading this

  38. Wombledin

    Mar 02, 2012, 8:54 #19710

    Incoherent, simplistic and self-contradictory. You conclude by saying Arsene is the man to lead us out of this mess after summarising the mess has made. There is no reason to believe Wenger will change his philosophy one jot. He will continue to stubbornly under-invest in transfer market while rewarding mediocrity with fatter contracts and put profits before trophies until his dying days. He is convinced this is the way it should be. Just a few days ago he announced that his way should be the normal way and the rest of the world is bankrupt and wrong. A leopard doesn't change his spots. You are obviously one of those fans who have fallen totally for Wenger's spin and are sadly confused about what Arsenal F.C. is, which is a football club first not a business corporation first.

  39. David the Price is right

    Mar 02, 2012, 8:53 #19709

    If as you state Wenger changes the wage cap, there may be hope, otherwise nope, i cannot be swayed. Wenger will never lavish big sums on top players, and pay them in a meritocracy. In Boxing analogy, Wenger would never step-up a weight to challenge, but attempt to introduce measures so that opponents step-down a weight to create parity. To the blinkered, prepare for further skid-pan results and the sustainable model mantra, whilst the rest race off into the sunset sharing the silverware. How much longer do some Arsenal fans feel we should endure, because of our blind faith, adoration, idolisation even, in the Wenger cult. Arsene knows. Yeah right! Mourinho certainly does. He's busy toppling Barca!

  40. To many crap players

    Mar 02, 2012, 8:41 #19708

    What about all the rubbish that's been playing week in week out this season on huge wages? Add all those to the list of players that don't play! I blame the board for everything though buying crap cb's than not coaching them properly i don't know why Wenger puts up with it.

  41. mark from aylesbury

    Mar 02, 2012, 8:32 #19706

    Graham, Is it harsh? No sorry he has virtually thrown FA cup games with weakened sides and had no answer to a limited but determined Birmingham side, we were dreadful. Wenger has been more indulged by any Arsenal board dare I say any top club in history. However the board will keep him so you get your wish. As many AKB's say be careful what you wish for!