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Szcz: Return to form


It’s all about points at this stage of the season, as Arsenal fans know all too well, having experienced a dearth of them when spring is in the air over recent seasons. And yet in spite of the calamitous performances in the cups, Arsene Wenger’s team are racking up the points in the league, as Chelsea and Liverpool are dropping them. Maximum points from the last four matches against Blackburn, Sunderland, Spurs and now Liverpool have changed a lot of minds about the prospect of Champions League football being seen next season at the Grove. Most specifically, Chelsea’s continued slump has been the phenomenon that this viewer simply could not foresee, and if Arsenal continue in this vein of form, there is no reason they cannot overhaul Spurs.

It won’t get the lack of a trophy monkey off the manager’s back, but he will feel vindicated if he can deliver a top four place. Ultimately, a club’s total wage bill tends to correlate with their finishing position in the Premier League, and with three clubs paying more every season than Arsenal, fourth is their ‘natural’ position. Chelsea should be above them and Spurs below. And it is perhaps significant that when Arsenal were winning titles – until 2004 at any rate, the wages they were paying were not far off those of Manchester United, with other clubs laying out less. So going forward, logic suggests the club has to increase revenue (and up wages) to increase their chances of challenging for the title. Then again there is an argument that for the wages being paid, Arsenal should actually have a stronger squad than they do.

Whether what he can earn elsewhere will be the decisive factor in Robin Van Persie’s decision over his future this summer is difficult to say. Footballing ambition would – you imagine – also play its part. There is no doubt the club have a huge dilemma on their hands should the captain decide not to agree a fresh deal. There are noises that they would keep him for the final year, perhaps timed with the club’s sending out of renewal forms for the expensive middle tier seats, along with the idea that they will spend £100 million on transfers this summer. And yet, would Arsenal, going by recent actions, pass up somewhere around £25 million that would dwindle to nothing 12 months later? It would take a sea change in ethos, but one that would probably be welcomed by the fans, whose concern for the balance books is secondary to the hunger to see some success. And that is more likely in 2012-13 with RVP than without him.

There is a lot of talk in the media that Podolski to Arsenal is a done deal, and it would not take a huge leap of imagination to see the club let Van Persie go and bring the Cologne player in. However, given the number 10's form over the last year and a bit, such a move would probably weaken the team unless some serious business was done to address other areas. What the game at Anfield showed was the value of top quality players who are at the peak of their game. Moments that they can produce as a matter of habit will win points in contests where they are not always expected. Arsenal enjoyed an element of fortune for some of Liverpool’s missed opportunities yesterday, but there is no doubt that Szczesny had a blinder, and that without Van Persie the visitors would not have scored two goals.

Liverpool’s relative dominance in the first half was acknowledged by all, and the game should have been wrapped up before the interval. Arsenal were simply not physically strong enough and not tight enough, the defensive side of the team’s game very poor, symbolized by the build-up and er… finish for Liverpool’s goal. But let off the hook, they took advantage in a more even second half. Abou Diaby made his entrance, looked the business for five minutes, then disappeared for 20 before his removal from the play. I can’t blame the player for his injury record, but questions do need to be asked about the barking mad decision to award him a contract renewal at the end of 2009. Someone’s medical diagnosis has cost the club something in the region of £12 million.

It has been a crazy season. Crazy enough for some optimists to actually believe the 4-0 deficit against Milan can be overturned on Tuesday evening. I hope they are right, even if I think they are as mad as the Diaby doctor.

The win against Liverpool was a very different one to the victory over Spurs. It’s unquestionably pleasurable, but cannot give the re-assurance that the performance in the derby did. It was the same starting line-up, but a very different game. The team struggled to cope with Suarez and in fairness, nine times out of ten, the home side would have won this type of match, going by the chances. Let us be thankful and grateful the dice fell Arsenal’s way and move on. Van Persie’s injury time finish might prove a very significant piece of magic come the season’s end.

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  1. Arsenal megafan

    Mar 09, 2012, 11:49 #20080

    This is a short list of players I think Wenger should consider buying not all of them. Matias Suarez Jan Vertonghen Lukas Podolski Stephane Sessegnon Isco Mario Göetze Junior Hoilett Yoann Gourcuff Nicolas Gaitan Eden Hazard Daniel Opare Yaan m’villa Connor Wickham to improve Arsenals chances next season

  2. ATID

    Mar 06, 2012, 13:20 #19890

    Only a fool would think that our recent league revival equates to a new dawn. We aren't going to win anything this season and coming fourth is not and has never been silverware. Our midfield is lightweight and other sides, not as good as Liverpool, will remind us of that fact before the season is over.

  3. tpm

    Mar 06, 2012, 12:42 #19886

    merse69...why use chelsea as an example, why use an extreme case???? 2 results agianst a asleep spurs and woeful liverpool, who outplayed us totally, and your back. so easily pleased arent you. im sure your happy now as nothing will change. we will remain inconsistent on the fringes happy with our lot competing for 4th. you and your kin are all that is wrong with this club and the malaise around it.

  4. The Real World

    Mar 06, 2012, 8:02 #19872

    Arsenal won't make any high-profile signings in the off-season.

  5. TFG

    Mar 05, 2012, 19:23 #19862

    Fact: prior to Spurs, without RvP's goals, we would be 4th bottom. If a condition of him staying is that he doesn't have to carry the remaining dead wood, then I for one don't blame him one bit. Those people sniping at the length of the piece are quite at liberty to submit their own thoughts. Better still, come up with an original article and to quote Delia, "Let's be 'aving you!"

  6. Andrew Cohen

    Mar 05, 2012, 16:45 #19852

    We are fortunate in having, for the most part, decent young men, who try very hard, in our team. At least once a season they make a huge effort and get something going. Completely against my expectations, we have managed to keep RvP, TV, WS and AS, fit for most of the year. What would the team do with a proper coach? The answer is, "significantly better". The downside of the Spurs win was that we were just about to see the Emperors new clothes, and have him laughed and shouted out of the stadium. Walcott was chastened by the treatment he received and came out and played well in the second half. It shouldn't be down to us to scold 23 year old's into a decent performance. He should have been properly prepared by the coach. We are going nowhere without the Manager's removal.

  7. GoonerGoal!

    Mar 05, 2012, 16:08 #19850

    Like RVP and Szczęsny, I was a mixture of happy and embarrassed by our win, but a win is a win, and some AKB's are finally feeling brave enough to raise their heads above the parapet. But will normal service be resumed now that March and April beckon?

  8. Marco G

    Mar 05, 2012, 13:56 #19841

    Agreed with the cheating comments. What is it with Suarez. Every time he goes down he rolls around clutching his legs as if he has been shot.The penalty was a joke. How that idiot Le Tiss could try to argue it was a trip was laughable. As good a player as he is, he is a disgrace to the Scousers. Very nice three points though and nice to see Kenny with his head in his hands again! Shades of May 26 1989!!

  9. Mark from Ashtead

    Mar 05, 2012, 13:46 #19840

    Nice one Simon. I certainly agree with the sentiments, and imagine that the majoity of the fan base would too. If there's anything in the recent Podolski stories then I would see that as being as much about sending a message to Robin as anything else. Podolski would be an excleent partner for RVP, allowing the latter to play as a 10 once more. Podolski can also play single central striker allowing RVP a well earned rest from time to time. Losing RVP wouldn't destroy the club, but keeping him (and building the team around him) could be the catalyst for change/improvement we've all been waiting for. Fingers crossed...

  10. AndoverGooner

    Mar 05, 2012, 13:03 #19839

    "but there is no guarantee that Robin would play much", lets hope he doesn't prove you wrong. The form RVP is in would almost guarantee him a place in any of the top teams in Europe.

  11. Kevin

    Mar 05, 2012, 12:59 #19838

    All those saying pay him £150k a week remember all the seasons before this when he was picking up £70k a week and only playing half a season.The club showed loyalty to RVP during all his periods of injury.Its time he repaid that loyalty

  12. Tony Evans

    Mar 05, 2012, 12:36 #19836

    I agree with you, Simon, in that I don't think RVP is anything like as desperate to leave as Fabregas was last summer but I can see a repeat performamce is on the cards. Lots of gnashing of teeth and 'over my dead body' comments and then heh presto at the 11th hour off he goes. I trust neither Wenger or the Board and fear the worst.

  13. JER

    Mar 05, 2012, 12:17 #19835

    Just like to point out that RVP is now 8th highest scorer in our history, scoring 126 goals in total, 31 this season. Which means he scored 95 goals before this season. That seems to be a pretty good contribution to me and not the one season wonder that many people make him out to be.

  14. Gman

    Mar 05, 2012, 12:16 #19834

    The club should pay wages based on a system of meritocracy; therefore RVP should be paid the going rate for a world class player and players such as Almunia, Squillaci, Denilson, Diaby, Djourou, Chamakh, should be paid very little or be off loaded.

  15. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 05, 2012, 10:35 #19828

    That's more like it Ronstar....a football mananger to say something sensible for a change especially in these financially troubled times. On the subject of money, why don't we have a whip round every week and if every Arsenal fan who attends, say 55,000 put 2 or 3 quid in the pot then that would pay for RVP's wages....just a thought

  16. Ron

    Mar 05, 2012, 9:52 #19825

    RVP has been great, but we ve waited a long time for him to do it. He ows Arsenal for sticking by him. I dont think we should burst the bank to keep him, however much i also equally think that we pay too many mediocre players too much elsewhere in that sqaud. RVP is 29 nearly, not old at all, but hes too brittle to go on till his mid 30s, will inevitably break down at some stage, hes hit his peak and we ve been lucky to benefit from it this Season (where would we be without his goals!). Hes at his optimum value now. Arsenal will in my view see the merits in keeping him being offset by the once only window of opportunity to get a massive transfer fee for him. 18 months ago, his value was maybe negligible due to injuries and they wont overlook that. Sorry guys, but hes 80% on his way id guess.

  17. John Briggs

    Mar 05, 2012, 9:49 #19824

    Succinctly put - he's a very good international striker but not so good that he will command an automtic first team place at Barcelona or Real Madrid; although he probably would at Man City. He's got some very good reasons to stay at Arsenal. The big question is how much difference will it make, as long as he stays injury free? Guaranteed 4th? Breathing space for AW? It won't change the fact that we will continue to haemorrhage most of our promising players because of our wage structure. Until we are able to pay the best wages we will continue to be a nursery for clubs with more money.

  18. Ron

    Mar 05, 2012, 9:36 #19822

    After 2001 FAC and 2008 CL, it'll take another 7 or 8 wins, however they come before payback even starts against them. Cheats in 2001, cheats in 2008 and theyre still cheating as shown by that ludicrous penalty they were awarded after the vile cheat Suarez's dive. Great win and deserved too. They fluked a fortunate win at Arsenal early season and nobody shouted 'lucky Liverpool' then! RVP goals were excellent and merited a win whatever else was shown in the pattern of play over 90 odd minutes. PS Diaby must be close to retirement surely?

  19. Merse69

    Mar 05, 2012, 8:30 #19817

    "Will the last AKB please turn off the lights" ........ football can make even the Gooner look slightly ridiculous. A great result to add to the second half demolition of Spurs last weekend. Liverpool had their chances, but Wenger has developed a potentially superb keeper in Szczesny, the penalty should never have been given and the scousers only went ahead through an own goal. BTW anyone still want to follow Chelsea's example - sack a great manager and then attempt to find the perfect replacement season after season? (Result, five mangers in five years and compensation totalling 64m in just over four years....)

  20. Tony Evans

    Mar 05, 2012, 8:22 #19816

    Great to beat the Scousers but our defence had more holes than a Swiss cheese. Agree with Peter Wain about Gibbs - he seems to have no idea and is so often caught out of position it is incredible.

  21. JoeS.

    Mar 05, 2012, 5:37 #19815

    Agree with you Simon, RVP gives the impression of being his own man. His ultimate decision will be decided by how comfortable he feels with what is happening within the club and not by BIG Bucks alone....or at least I'd like to believe.

  22. CT Gooner

    Mar 05, 2012, 2:04 #19814

    This may sound like an over reaction, but no RVP this season and we'd be looking very seriously at relegation! He needs to be paid PERIOD And yesterday the midfield was a joke for 95 minutes, thank god for a great Sagna cross and Song making one decent pass.

  23. Jeff

    Mar 05, 2012, 0:16 #19813

    We've won four league games on the spin. Came back from two down against that lot. One down against the scousers, who had twelve men and are now just four points behind the spuds and you lot are still moaning. It's like you want your own club to fail just to boost your own self esteem and say, look i was right. i am very critical of wenger too and think he's tactically inept, but why the hell can't you just get behind the team and enjoy finishing above the mouthy pillocks from down the road. Credit where it's due, after milan and sunderland, how many saw six points from the next two? Stop moaning, get behind the team for the last few games and then, if you must, moan to your hearts content.

  24. muzzlejuice

    Mar 04, 2012, 23:39 #19812

    yes we were very poor but we won and if that helps us finish in the top 4 then so be it,i doubt we will be this awful again

  25. Ronster

    Mar 04, 2012, 23:04 #19811

    goonercolesyboy....you want something interesting to talk about? How about giving the manager of the year award to David Moyes for suggesting ''everyone'' in the Premier League takes a 20% pay cut to make football more affordable for fans? Something funny? Do you reckon Fulham's Pogrebnyak will soon be removing his boots and socks when conducting his goal celebrations!?

  26. Draiggogh

    Mar 04, 2012, 21:51 #19810

    Saw Liverpool vs Totteringham in the Kop a few weeks ago, was cheering for L'pool, brill experience, rotten game between two mediocre teams.Didn't tell anyone ..still alive.The essence of Arsenal no matter how well or badly we play is that everyone ups their game against us. We're the only team that Manure parks the bus against; Totts raise their game 100 percent, and Liverpool play their best game of the season. They should thank us for playing them and improving their performances. Apologies to Chesney who I have slagged off repeatedly,for shooting his mouth off. This time he really was a good goalie. Glad to see 2 big victories haven't converted us all into AKB's.

  27. Half Full

    Mar 04, 2012, 21:45 #19809

    RVP, Szczesny and Sagna carried on when they left off against Spurs. Don't know what happen to the rest of the team. Arsene, you know that stuff you sprinkled on the pre-match pasta last week, can you please do it again before the Milan and Newcastle matches.

  28. allybear

    Mar 04, 2012, 21:38 #19808

    JoeS your spot on although im delighted to get a win at Anfield. Midfield is very weak and still huge problems in defence. Rumours are always about forward players lately. Think they will give it a right go on Tuesday&its now set up to be some game. I think that Spurs defence is overtaking us now!

  29. lee armitt

    Mar 04, 2012, 21:15 #19807

    That's right Chris we must conveniently forget all 229 goals he scored for us and remember that one game

  30. LJB

    Mar 04, 2012, 21:00 #19806

    I find it truly unbelievable that Diaby can sit on the treatment table until 2015 because Wenger was stupid enough to give him a new deal.Diaby is finished;yesterday he did not go within 3 ft of a Pool player because he is scared to death of being tackled.I keep hearing that we cannot afford to buy players because "we have a staduim to pay off"(yawn yawn)and yet we can afford to have diaby taking up one of our precious squad places and picking up 60 grand a week.It is bleeding ridiculous;he is Kieran Dyer mark 2,out for 3 months then managing 10 minutes before being out for another 3 months. Arsenal have been very patient with him which is only fair but seeing as we are now a business and not a football club,Diaby is of no use whatsoever.I hope Diaby takes a good hard look at his situation and admits that maybe his body cannot cope with top flight football anymore,but somehow i see him sat on the treatment table picking up his cash whilst we are forever a midfielder down.Poor Eduardo soon got shipped out after it became clear he was not the same player after his broken leg,but then he wasn't french.

  31. Simon

    Mar 04, 2012, 20:58 #19805

    I think the team and manager deserve more credit than is being given to them. They are under enormous pressure and have delivered two excellent but different second halves to secure win's we'd never of dreamed possible post the Sunderland and Milan debacles. You need big players with talent to step up and deliver without fear and we're seeing that from a good number of the squad. What really has pleased me is the composure and calmness exhibited once we've taken the lead these past two games and ease with which we've seen off the game. It bodes well and is a remarkable turnaround.

  32. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Mar 04, 2012, 20:53 #19804

    I can't believe we beat The scum and Liverpool at anfield!! Amazing results!! Are we ever going to stop conceding soft goals though? Surely Van Persie won't be able to carry this team forever.

  33. Alastair Kerr

    Mar 04, 2012, 20:47 #19803

    4 things need to happen. 1 Qualify for Champions League (no, it's not a trophy) 2. Keep van Persie 3. Add 3 or 4 top quality signings in the summer - to excite the fans 4. Get shot of some of the dross we have on our books - Denilson, Bendtner, Vela, Almunia, Squillaci etc - this too will please the fans and 5 Win some silverware next season.

  34. CanadaGooner

    Mar 04, 2012, 20:38 #19802

    when we play pretty football and lose, we complain; when we play crap football and win, we complain. seriously people!! 3 points is what we need from each game and I couldnt care less how we get those 3 points. Leave the spanish inquisition to when you can actually deal with it. transfer window's closed till summer; what we have now is what we have and we just need to keep going come on you gooners!!!! best weekend so far this season! spurs will be caught. they will wobble against chelsea at the bridge and i predict arsenal will be ahead of spurs after the coming 4 games. feel free to quote me on that!

  35. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 04, 2012, 20:13 #19801

    And another thing, we must be a brilliant team because according to most of you we played the match yesterday with 4 players...Gibbs got no positional sense, , Kos and Vermaelen cannot play together, Song looked tired, Rosicky and Benayoun were invisible, and Walcott was not in the game....what were Liverpool doing then against our 4 men?...oh yes they lost 2-1...it's a funny old game!

  36. Wombledin

    Mar 04, 2012, 20:07 #19800

    RVP will definitely leave in the summer, 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt. He knows he will win nothing at Arsenal except this years golden boot. Why would he want to remain here and finish his career with no trophies or winners medals to show his grandkids? He'd have to be a complete muppet to stay on under Wenger, even if we finish in the top four again. Why would any great player want to come and play for a Manager that can't even win the Carling Cup, no matter how big the wages. If wages is all a player cares about, come and play for Wenger but if you want to win things, forget it, move on.

  37. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 04, 2012, 19:55 #19799

    Crikey, you lot who deem it necessary to criticise every week irrespective of the result need to get a life...according you to we must play the perfect game every week, what a load of tosh. It gets tiring to read the same thing, Gibbs can't do this, Koscielny and Vermaelen can't play together, Szcesny is too erratic, the midfield was innocuous, Walcott was hopeless again etc etc blah blah blah. I realsie that different opinions are interesting but a degree of interesting opinions instead of the same old rubbish is boring. No team on the planet is perfect even Barca are not at their best right now, instead let's all laugh at that lot down the road who are in freefall and the other lot who are still playing the manager merrygoround....now that is interesting and funny. Finally back to yesterday, we have needed a slice of luck for a long time now and to beat Liverpool like they mugged us in the 2001 cup final was funny too...even though the two penalties were both wrong and yet does the media slaughter Bale and Suarez like they slaughtered Eduardo?...do they f**k.

  38. Joe S.

    Mar 04, 2012, 19:39 #19798

    There's no need to feel guilty after stealing three points at Anfield, it is somthing Man U does ever third or fourth game they play in. The real issues for Arsenal are that these results are decieving and cover up the cracks of what was a second rate performance.The midfield lacks creativity and does not compete for the ball. Teams in possession will always continue to over run our defense because we are always back peddling.

  39. Chris

    Mar 04, 2012, 19:17 #19797

    Dave - if Thierry wasn't the big game bottler he is and had scored his straightforward chance to make it 2 nil in the final v Barca, he wouldn't have had to....

  40. Stuart L

    Mar 04, 2012, 19:07 #19796

    I agree with Dan h, I immediately thought back to the 2001 cup final where we were robbed by Owen, and various other teans have mugged us over the years so its nice to have it go our way for a change. A great weekend result wise for us Gooners, but even more so now it makes me look back in regret at some truly pitiful displays like Blackburn away, Fulham away and Swansea away where we capitulated after being ahead - by no means are we a great team, but the rest of the league bar the two Manchester clubs are decidedly average too. 3rd / 4th place beckons and Groundhog season will start again next summer as we will still be at least 2 class players short of having a great chance of the title

  41. Kenny

    Mar 04, 2012, 19:04 #19795

    If it hadnt had been for Szczesny it would have been another Milan.Gibbs has no positional sense why didnt we sign Enrique??.As for Kos and TV they just dont play well as a pair.I will say it again we need a commanding Vidic type CB.The rumour was last summer Diaby was going to be shown the door but we couldnt get rid because he was injured.So we have him at the club playing a total of 40 minutes while Lansbury is out on loan.Another great Wenger decision.A great result but another poor performance.Was the Spuds game a fluke for Rosicky and Benayoun they were invisible yesterday as was Walnutt

  42. thelondonupstart

    Mar 04, 2012, 18:47 #19794

    Bring back the forum. This is where comment under 100 words belongs. This is the space where articles are supposed to be submitted.

  43. Chris

    Mar 04, 2012, 18:42 #19793

    As well as the two Manchester clubs and Chelsea, Liverpool's wage bill recently overtook Arsenal's - on that basis, fifth would be par. However, a fair measure of sporting efficiency would be to look at league points in relation to not just wages but also NET TRANSFER spend. Wenger's Arsenal perform greatly over par when this is consdiered - not to point that out is selective (mis)-use of stas and misleading.

  44. divingrooney

    Mar 04, 2012, 17:53 #19792

    Kevin does it again... Bringing Diaby's contract issue is ridiculous. He played a decent few games like 20+ after the injury. But no one knew he would not play a single game this season. Wilshere might be given a new contract at the start of next season, and unfortunately if he continues having fitness issues, Kevin with his 100-100 hindsight would return with his wisdom. Truth is that very few modern day players are fit enough to play season after season. Our midfield has played the most number of minutes, no wonder they are devastated and in need of rest.

  45. DW Thomas

    Mar 04, 2012, 17:31 #19791

    Luck, pure and simple, with a little bit of class from RVP. Check out his first goal again, terrible defending from Carragher and I don't see many crosses like that from Sagna. Usually he hits the first defender. I am happy with a win, despite how we get it. Then we hear the manager say he do/pay whatever it takes to keep RVP. If he goes, the rot continues I think. Podolski is nowhere near RVP. Only Messi and Ronaldo are better right now, and look how good their teams are doing. Song looked really, really tired. The whole team looked like they weren't too bothered first half. If Kuyt hits the penalty or rebound (a horrible miss) the game is Liverpool's. I just don't think the last two wins can hide the facts and past 7 seasons with no silverware. Sure, if we beat Milan 5-0 then maybe we can dream again. And I might win the lottery too! As for Diaby, I like(d) him and think he is a real talent but has never been pushed when needed to be a harder and harder working player. Wenger gets these great talents and they stagnate with coddling from the manager. He is the perfect example of the issues with the medical team as well. If we get top 4 or even overtake Spurs, all the AKBs will be saying I told you so. I will be saying not good enough, again. Our goal should be championships, not merely competing. If the goal were to win all 4 big competitions, we would strengthen the squad each year, improve our injury record, and 4th place would take care of itself. One last thing. Our back four, except Sagna, has not played that well overall recently. Kos own goal was pitiful and TV has not looked top quality like he should. Sagna however, is still a beast. I love that guy. He always looks a competitor. Not perfect, but he fights and has mettle.

  46. Dave

    Mar 04, 2012, 17:23 #19790

    Simon RVP can stay at a club with the ambition of finishing 4th or join City Madrid or Barcelona and win trophies.We have a squad that is good enough to finish top 4 but we are a million miles away from a title winning team.Even Thierry had to leave to realise his dream of winning the CL

  47. lee afc

    Mar 04, 2012, 17:19 #19789

    I'm getting very annoyed by the 'where would we be without RVP?'..until he announces he wishes to leave, then I, along with the rest of the gooners are paying his wages. His response to Real Madrid's attempted tap up was stating that Arsenal was his club and he has no intentions of moving on. Come on Gooners. why oh why are so many people negative. Lets relish the fact that we have a world class striker at the club, given a couple of chances against Liverpool he took them both...Also, AW...manager of the month..things looking up????

  48. Aaron

    Mar 04, 2012, 17:18 #19788

    Stewart Downing helped us win the game more than about 8 Arsenal players. If Liverpool hadn't wasted £20m on that below average English winger and bought a Mata or Robben we would have been dead and buried. The defence and midfield needs a serious overhaul

  49. ArsenalFan#1

    Mar 04, 2012, 17:17 #19787

    szczesny was brilliant, not just the penalty but all round

  50. CanadaGooner

    Mar 04, 2012, 16:34 #19786

    @Kos off: we said exactly the same thing when Fabregas left, and eventually RVP took the fight on all by himself. Still wont win us a trophy. If RVP leaves, someone else will come good and we still wont win any trophies, but the teals who could push us down the table (spurs, liverpool, chelsea) are simply not good enough. we've seen what the worst arsenal team in years can acheive; no reason why the next worst arsenal team (ie. when RVP walks away) cant produce the same trophyless 4th place finish Kev - good feedback, we are where we are, and love it or lump it, all we're playing for is a CL place and even that still requires a fair bit of work to acheive. Let's keep the support going, can the silly dissent and see where we finish at the end of the season. What we cant keep doing as a club is hanging on to the same set of players as we bring new ones in. at the end of each failed (trophyless) season, some players MUST go; we need an injection of 'winning mentality' which we dont have at the moment.

  51. CanadaGooner

    Mar 04, 2012, 16:23 #19785

    Why not just make him manager? rubbish article. we've had better players in the past, we dont sign players based on what other players want. RVP's first full season, he owes Arsenal, and if he decides to do a 'Flamini', he'll be seriously missed, but good luck to him. Arsenal FC will carry on (4th place finish is hardly anything to write home about)

  52. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 04, 2012, 16:01 #19784

    Smaller piece than usual simon but I agree i think he wants to stay but it is all about ambition robin wants to win medals and nobody can fault him for that and he would certainly love to win them at arsenal but the big question is are arsenal ambitious enough ? three or four big signings would certainly prove we are but we'll have to wait till the summer to find out.

  53. Fozzy

    Mar 04, 2012, 15:48 #19783

    Erm, Jekyll, looks very much like an article to me. Simon has succinctly put in 165 words what some contributors have difficulty in creating in 10 times than amount. Well said, Simon. Short, sharp and to the point. Just like Arshavin used to be.

  54. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 04, 2012, 15:35 #19782

    Definitely a smash and grab kev thank god for chezz rvp and the post but how this defence needs a coach imagine what a month with GG would do even a week the sooner bould comes in the better but for the time being we're on a roll long may it last with man u later and milan on tuesday.The £100 million transfer kittty podolski signing rumor/spin? time will tell when season tickets are renewed if RVP leaves because he just doesn't want to stay no matter what the offer and promises there's not much anybody can do about it but one things for sure if he is allowed to leave because the club wont pay him what he thinks he's worth (and there's players at the club getting paid a hell of a lot more than their worth)or he leaves because of a lack of ambition from the club the person or persons concerned should be sacked dragged out of highbury house screaming and kicking and publicly flogged.

  55. Gare Kekeke

    Mar 04, 2012, 15:33 #19781

    Smash and grab indeed. But hey ho, it will do for now. Credit to the manager and the players for another great Anfield memory. Szcezsny was by far MOTM and RVP, well you run of superlatives to describe him these days. But if he was fully committed to The Arsenal cause, that contract on offer would have signed by now. And the club will yet again risk playing a stupid game if he is forced to run down his contract. It didn’t work with Nasri last summer, so why should we expect it to be different with RVP? The last time I can recall the away end going bananas at that ground when we’ve scored there was Ljungberg scoring the 2nd goal in December 2001 and we all know what happened that day don’t we? The dire 1st half performance should serve as a remainder to those who still think Wenger knows all that this current Arsenal team who all for its good attacking play is still flawed, particularly at the back. A continuous lack of protection for the defence from Song (who really needs to stop thinking he’s the creative force in this team) does not do them any favours. But then how many of us on this site have said he needs serious competition? Talented as they are, Frimpong and Coquelin are still raw. The barmy decision to sell Lassana Diarra in January 2008 because Wenger was desperate to keep Flamini (and that worked a treat didn’t it) looks more stupid by the week. For me, the only reason why we have will claim 4th and even have a chance for 3rd is because of Chelsea’s self-destruction. I went to their recent FA Cup tie against the Brummie Bluenoses with a Chelsea friend and believe me; they are in an almighty mess. And now that lot sacking AVB (who REALLY needed that 2nd season at FC Porto. It’s not hindsight, we all knew it) will not eradicate all their problems. Forget the newly-crowned Carling Cup winners Liverpool and the erratic Newcastle taking 4th either. They are simply not good enough. Last year, we were disappointed to finish 4th after blowing an opportunity to win the league. Now this year it will be seen as major achievement? A 3rd/4th place finish this year (again it’s a trophy can I also add) will merely paper over cracks and will convince Wenger that greatness (if he wants it after all he did day last year he’ll sign up for 2nd place for the next ten years) is just around the corner. Be prepared for another frustrating summer Gooners. Still, up the Arsenal! Maybe we still can celebrate St Totteringham’s Day this year after all.

  56. AJ

    Mar 04, 2012, 15:14 #19780

    his performance dealing with Theo coupled with Gibbs' questionable positional play (not sure if he is really a leftback) makes me really regret that we did not go a bit harder trying to sign Enrique. The defence would be much stronger with a player of his calibre this season.

  57. Jekyll

    Mar 04, 2012, 15:03 #19779

    Is this an article? Was it supposesd to be a comment to an article?

  58. Jeremy C

    Mar 04, 2012, 14:54 #19778

    A good write up again by Kevin with a very suitable title. One would dread to think where we would be without either of them. He is indeed right about Diaby and his contract. If you speak to any decent sports physio, they'll tell you that is virtually impossible to come back from such a catastrophic break as Diaby had to play consistently at the top level. This is due to a combination of mental and physical issues. Mental in the sense of fear that it might happen again and thus not play to their full potential and physical in the sense that to make sure the player can stand the physical rigours of top flight sport other parts of the body have to be built up more to compensate for the damage done to ligaments (if there is any left) and bone which then unbalances the body and leads to secondary injuries such as the muscle injuries which Diaby seems to be suffering from and what Eduardo did previously. While the doctors and physios must take some of the blame, the ultimate buck stops with Dear Leader. It was his choice to offer such a generous contract to one of his babies and if he had been more pragmatic he would have given a less generous pay per play contract as the mancs did with Owen. That’s not even taking into account whether Diaby was worth the contract in terms of him being good enough, which a number of fans had doubts about prior to 2009, to be in a team aspiring to win things, which we supposedly are.

  59. Peter Wain

    Mar 04, 2012, 13:54 #19777

    Gibbs was totally awful yesterday. He has no idea about positional play and was at fault with their goal up field and doing nothing. We need a new left back and Gibbs need coaching about his defensive resposnsiblities.

  60. Jekyll

    Mar 04, 2012, 12:47 #19775

    I'm afraid Diaby is the prime example of how the manager values loyalty to players over results on the pitch. It really was a case, as the editor says, of the dice falling our way yesterday. This team cannot deliver two good performances in a row, whether that's more motivation or actual quality it's hard to say. I guess a bit of both. But the results are racking up and I bet we'll get 4th again and Wenger will be hailed as a 'genius', despite this being the very bare minimum any AFC manager should achieve and it being very disappointing to finish there last season. It's the endless repetition I think that's the problem. It's boring.

  61. johnnyh

    Mar 04, 2012, 12:42 #19774

    smash and grab sums it up perfectly kev.lets celebrate it for what it was,a lucky victory,but dont let anyone be fooled, the first half was reminiscent of the debacles at old trafford and the san siro.an absolutely shocking lack of defensive organisation against a pretty average liverpool team who could and should have been 4 or 5 up. it just shows how wenger never learns and why we will never win another trophy with him still in charge.

  62. Kos off

    Mar 04, 2012, 12:40 #19773

    Any win at anfield is always good, but it was back to normal after a great 65 mins last weekend. Midfield hopeless the defence if you can call it that! All over the place, Kos made to look like the 2nd division French player he is yet again so weak gets knocked off the ball by even the smallest players and his cb partner has been dragged down to his level and he was the only half decent cb we had. Without RVP where would we be? He alone will be responsible for us getting in the top four, if he is not with us next season god help us.

  63. Adrian Wagenaar

    Mar 04, 2012, 12:31 #19772

    I thought we would get at least a point yesterday because I happen to think Liverpool have a very pedestrian midfield and I expected us to get our full backs behind their back four - which we did a few times. What I did not expect was how easy "Daley" Suarez got into our box with the ball and the strange habit Kos has developed of turning his side into the the player he is meant to be marking and then just letting him run. Kos is capable of some good performances but he was appalling in the first half and but for luck and a MOM performance from our Keeper the game would have been over at half time. I cannot work out our team any any more -we are somewhere between the madhouse and the promised land! One point that should be made was Song only got back from the midweek game on Friday so an indifferent performance was due, until his beautiful chip and a finish that only a few players in the world could acheive. To sum up "Barking Mad"

  64. gooner in manc-land

    Mar 04, 2012, 11:52 #19771

    i agree john, and the loyalty the club has shown has these players must surely be remembered......you would hope. i thought four of the back five had a good game, but the midfield were lost i'd love to see rosicky's pass success rate for yesterday. no need to comment on rvp. Lets watch spuds get beat today. p.s. anyone see how szczesny has to finish above them because he hates them, well played.

  65. Dan h

    Mar 04, 2012, 11:29 #19770

    Wasted chances,GK plays out of his skin,hit by a sucker punch at the end,outplayed the opposition but lost.How many times have we written that about Arsenal over the last few years against the scousers still havn't forgiven them for the CL qf or the F.A Cup in 2001!The GK was outstanding & as for RVP his form this year speaks for itself.I again think we were given a harsh penalty against us but players are throwing themselves over at the slightest touch we all give refs a hard time but for me Mark Halsley if he makes mistakes are honest ones one of the better refs imo.Very welcome win it puts pressure on Chelsea & the team above us .We could really do with a few players having an injury free run the lack of squad quality is really exposed at this time.Finally for Podolski he is more suited to play out wide if he is to be a replacement for anyone it should be AA.Diaby as stated before injuries have ruined him AW has been quoted as saying he won't give up on him yet as Diaby still has a desire to come back.The club know sadly there is no real chance of a sustained injury free run his ankle is in bits & his other injuries are related to the bad tackle he got at Sunderland.

  66. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 04, 2012, 11:25 #19769

    Why if we do get Podolski does that mean RVP leaves?...the man is irreplaceable full stop...he appears happy at Arsenal, loves being the man man and if we make two or three signings plus get rid as best as possible the dead wood then we can get back to winning trophies...Wenger will definitely see out his contract so all you get him out merchants need to think again as it will not happen, unless Guardiola makes himself available which according to a few reports in Spain is becoming a possibility as he wants a new challenge...and remember Cesc has optioned Arsenal first when his contract runs out....dreamland maybe but you never know. As for Diaby, well the medical team needs to be asked some serious questions as to what the real problem is with him, bad luck or poor rehab? It seems to happen too often to be a coincidence? Let's get as loud as possible on Tuesday and give them old milan players a fright and keep the run going.

  67. Theo Jensen

    Mar 04, 2012, 11:19 #19768

    A big factor in us being outplayed by Liverpool yesterday was the clear lack of a creative midfielder. We had Arteta trying to play the Fabregas role which really didn't work and Song wasn't that much better bar the second goal assist. Ramsay is not up to that yet so Wilshere needs to come back asap I think and we need to buy a world class Fabregas replacement in early summer. I was thinking though: it's odd how much passion was put in last weekend compared to yesterday- as I see it unless we try and get a lot out of the team we already have and particularly the squad players, then we need to be buying very technical 1st teamers. The difference yesterday was RVP, Szczesny, Sagna and (an infrequent one) Song so maybe that explains the difference between the two styles of win over the two weekends?

  68. Gooner SA

    Mar 04, 2012, 11:17 #19767

    'Mad as Diaby's doctor'. Priceless. Great but fortunate win. Remember when Petit, Vieira and Gilberto used to make tackles to protect the defence? Song and Arteta don't seem to bother!

  69. John

    Mar 04, 2012, 11:05 #19765

    Disagree with your opinion of Diaby's contract extension as barking mad; in hindsight yes but you can't predict injuries. There were quite a few supporters/haters last year who wanted to sell van Persie because he was always injured.