After Smash and and Grab… Cash and Grabbed

Online Ed: A tale of illegality, although not immorality



After Smash and and Grab… Cash and Grabbed

My one did not have the sink…


I’d love to write about Arsenal’s stirring performance and almost comeback against Milan last night in the Champions League. But I can’t, because in spite of my plans, I did not make the game.

I was asked by a friend (I don’t want to compromise anyone so let’s call him Charlie) at the Spurs game if I could find a buyer for his season ticket for Milan at home as he could not make the game. He sits next to a pal of mine (let’s call him George), so – as I knew another friend who was looking for one (let’s call him Graham) – I arranged to sell Graham a ticket (mine) at face value, and then go and sit in Charlie’s seat and watch the game with George, giving Charlie the money Graham had given me for my seat when I saw him.

However, when Graham turned up to collect the ticket from me before the Milan game, he gave me the cash for it, and from nowhere, the police swooped. Before I had even given him the ticket. I was arrested for ticket touting.

I was carted off to Holloway Station at 7.30, where I was queuing up outside the station in the cold waiting to be processed while the first half was in progress. The arresting officer was an Arsenal fan himself and relayed the scores he was getting on his mobile phone. I will admit, my enthusiasm was not as great as it would have been had I not been wearing tight handcuffs and freezing my bollocks off a few hundred yards north of the stadium, but nevertheless, I hoped the Gunners would do it, even if I refused to believe they could score enough goals and keep a clean sheet.

I was finally booked in at the station from 9pm – the process took an hour, so by the time I was taken to a holding cell, the game was over and Arsenal had their pride but no quarter final place. I was finally interviewed at 4.20am. I didn’t get more than about three five minute spells of sleep in the six hours plus in the cell – a process which was broken by a transfer to Islington station at 1.30am as Holloway was closing. Both cells were pretty identical. A toilet and a hard raised slab that acted as a seat/bed with a thin hard vinyl covered crash mat style mattress. It wasn’t comfortable and my mind could not relax enough to sleep.

I received some advice from a duty solicitor over the phone before the interview. She told me honesty would be the best policy as there was no profit involved and that I might get a more lenient outcome further down the line if I did not attempt to play legal games. She even advised me that having a solicitor in attendance at the interview could possibly make things worse. So I told the truth, which was fortunate, as Graham had also been detained – albeit for a much shorter time – and sang like a bird. I was read his statement after I had answered mine in the interview and they dovetailed perfectly. Sometimes honesty is the best policy, although my instincts were screaming against me to admit I had committed a crime given the moral aspects of what I was doing – helping out someone who couldn’t attend to the match and someone who wanted to.

It’s a similar principle to the club’s own ticket exchange scheme, except for some key differences…
You know the person who will be using the otherwise unused seat
If the ticket is not sold for some reason, you have the option to still attend or give the ticket away (with the club’s ticket exchange you only get any payback if someone actually buys the seat)
There is no fee charged, as there is on the ticket exchange
The seller gets their money at the next home game, unlike ticket exchange where you have to wait until your renewal at the season’s end when the money is taken off what is due.
A physical transaction takes place involving the handover of a season ticket card.
You can get arrested.

But what makes the way of doing it through the club more moral than doing it informally? – which on March 5th was viewed as a criminal activity by yours truly. Why, when you actually have someone you know who wants to buy the ticket, should you have to sell it to a complete stranger for less than face value and not get back the money you have paid last May until the season’s end? Because the same method of exchanging tickets for cash is used by bona fide touts, and there is no distinction in the law.

Let’s face it, there is a huge informal ticket exchange going on at every match where thousands of seats are not sat in by the person whose name is on the membership card. Technically, it’s against the rules, and the act of handing any money to the seller, even if the price is face value or below – is illegal. It’s not immoral, just illegal, and that is what annoys the most, because the law is supposedly based on a moral code.

I understand the police don’t have any desire to differentiate. The law is the law, but what worries me is the club’s (presumably automatic) response. My season ticket may be returned to the club in time, maybe immediately. But will they return it to me and let me attend matches? I am very much in doubt. Is there any sense of discretion used in these cases? You’d like to think so, but optimism is difficult at the moment. I am bailed until April when I return to the police station to be told – I assume – the date I will appear in court. And there, mitigation will be all that can save me from a lengthy ban attending home matches.

So the moral of this story is – if you try doing someone a good turn, be prepared to suffer the consequences.

Two final points – if anyone wants to submit a write-up of the game itself, I will gladly post it, and my apologies I cannot do it myself on this occasion. And secondly, normally we are quite liberal with the comments we allow to be posted. But I am honestly not in the mood today for the p*ss-taking keyboard warriors, so have requested the comments moderator only puts through comments that are constructive today. So type as much abuse as you like, but no-one except the moderator will read it.

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  1. bunch

    Apr 20, 2012, 10:07 #21376

    Agree with Simon Rose 100%. Keep him (if we can)

  2. fozzys mate

    Apr 20, 2012, 8:43 #21375

    Steve sam - how was he to know that Wilshere would not play at all this season. That is the sort of dross that he peddles and I agree will continue to do so. Like when he said Gibbs was his first choice left back and we all laughed. How many games has Gibbs managed this year? Same last season when he didn't buy a centre half because tv was out for a few weeks. Our medical dept is a disaster. Diaby maybe a great player but he has played around 100 games in 7 seasons. You can't just keep ploughing on. Get him off the wage bill.

  3. Joe S.

    Apr 20, 2012, 0:48 #21373

    Looks like I'm on my own on this one. I don't mind seeing the return of project youth part 11. In the right hands and with the promise of some of the young players coming through it is the best way forward. It certainly hasn't hurt Manchester United. Some of the experienced players cited here have done a decent job at holding the fort but I don't see them as likely contributers to a championship winning team. Still if the mjrority of fans' expectations are mostly t oconsolidate a respectable league position then so be it.

  4. Van de Ed

    Apr 19, 2012, 23:19 #21371

    @Joe S. - absolutely spot on mate!! 10 defeats so far this season says it all; and I can almost guarantee we're not yet done losing games this season!!

  5. Raymondo

    Apr 19, 2012, 21:38 #21369

    If we keep Benayoun we must get rid of Gervinho.Benny is good as cover but Gervinho is not good enough.A chicken without a head this years Chamakh.We neeed to cut our losses sell him and sign quality please for a change this summer.Dont agree with you about Mertesacker Simon.He is just too slow for the premiership.

  6. Stevesam

    Apr 19, 2012, 20:08 #21367

    Some have overlooked the fact that if Diaby, AW's love child, had been fit then he would have been preferred to Benny and Rambo. We shall soon be hearing "why should I sign another midfield player when I have Diaby to come back it shall be like a new signing" AW has stated many times that Diaby is a 'Great' player.

  7. Persian gooner

    Apr 19, 2012, 19:52 #21366

    Agree, we have understimate the impact of Benayoun. Hope we sign him on apermanent deal. He is great.

  8. Peter Wain

    Apr 19, 2012, 19:44 #21365

    I agree his second half of the season is most impressive but whether this is a result of the desire for a contract I am not sure

  9. Greg71

    Apr 19, 2012, 19:30 #21364

    Not knowing Benny,s wages the question is has he contributed £ for £ more than Gervinho ? ?2 do we send him back to Lille as a makeweight for Hazard or keep him for another season ?

  10. Fozzy's mate

    Apr 19, 2012, 18:44 #21362

    Bennyhill was a panic signing but has done okay for what OGL obviously rates him as an occasional fill in and regular sub. No harm in that and no harm if we sign him. The reason his signing was lambasted was that he by no means was of the quality of the outgoing midfield pair. But he is gazidis dream a free transfer. We very rarely sign the players we actually want as we won't pay for them. Many examples and BFG rather than Cahill and Arteta rather than Mvilla are as good as any. No hope of competing for Hazard but Podolski albeit with a decent pedigree is our type. A year left on his contract, failed at Bayern and playing for a relegation threatened club and oh Wengers dream, he can play on the left wing...

  11. gooner in mancland

    Apr 19, 2012, 17:53 #21360

    You missed out how happy he looked and celebrating with the rest of the arsenal players in that win at stamford bridge. The cheski fans i know were fuming about that.

  12. AugustusCaesar

    Apr 19, 2012, 17:20 #21359

    Nah. Not for me. Bit lightweight. Being 'a good professional' is important but I'd prefer someone with more quality than Benayoun. Can't we have a good pro who is also great at football? I can't believe most people on here who bemoan the averageness of some of our players are praising Benayoun. He doesn't appear to do anything THAT well to me. Ok dribbler, good worker, scores the odd goal but Arsenal class? Not on your nelly.

  13. QuartzGooner

    Apr 19, 2012, 16:56 #21357

    Good player with good work rate. Was a lot of dissent on the Forum when he was signed, but he was an experienced Premiership layer who was also captain of Israel, and with a young squad we needed more experience. Useful player to have but looks like he will go elsewhere when his loan ends. Think if he does go we should try to get an experienced player in his place. Reminds me a bit of David Platt situation where he did not start all the games 1997 - 1998, but when he was used he contributed a cool head and was able to help dictate the pace of a game to suit us.

  14. Gare Kekeke

    Apr 19, 2012, 16:01 #21356

    I too am an admirer of Benayoun. I have to admit I was surprised by his arrival but his experience has been beneficial for us. His professionalism and humble attitude has been a God-send compared to arrogant players like Bendtner & Denilson. I hope those two amongst others are not back at The Arsenal next season. Will Wenger take note of this when it comes to his summer recruitment? In my view, probably not. That is in itself up for debate. Benayoun is however in my view, short-term (and not because he is on loan) along with Arteta. Next season, fitness permitting, I believe our first choice midfield trio will be Song, Wilshire & Ramsey given that they will go into the first game with a combined age of 66. Remember when we beat Barcelona 2-1 and how Wenger boasted about the team’s average age that night being 23? An ever youthful team appeals to Wenger. The likes of Arteta, Mertesacker & Benayoun are no more than stop-gaps. Next season will see the birth of Project Youth Mk II: The Next Generation. The older players will be gradually phased out. This will only bring more inconsistency and possibly more disappointment. I hope I’m wrong but past history and Wenger’s reluctance to adapt and evolve with the changing times in football suggests more frustrations are just around the corner. Up The Arsenal!

  15. thatsimonrose

    Apr 19, 2012, 15:37 #21355

    Thanks Mark, appreciate it.

  16. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 19, 2012, 15:01 #21353

    I also think benny has played his part certainly better than some individuals who still get played regardless and maybe would have played a better part if gotton a decent run your right every game he has played he has given his all he was having a good game the other night until subbed as for signing him up again ? as you said it depends he's only likely to be a squad player/sub and if we make the signings we need even further down the order would he want that but he has certainly conducted himself well with his time at arsenal so far.

  17. Ron

    Apr 19, 2012, 14:52 #21351

    Jekyl - Its perhaps more a case of Yossi being a seasoned pro. Wenger likes his little 'yes' boys around him now. Theyre less trouble and totally in his thrawl. Established pro s from other Clubs have ideas of their own and might just contrast with his. Dangerous in Wenger World i suspect. Having said all this and despite Yossi being a great pro, the Club will never raise its present bar by relying on such signings, but hes one thats ok for the sqaud. Like Song should be, Hes ok for occasional use v weaker teams. Yossi is more useful than Song though, as hes not an idle sloth who thinks hes Zidane.

  18. Dorset Gonner

    Apr 19, 2012, 14:50 #21350

    I wasn't a big fan of Yossi before we signed him, but agree with many comments that he's 100% more commited than Arshavin (and probably should have played more games this season). But I really don't understand why some so called fans feels that it's ok to abuse Ramsey? The lads been massively overplayed due to injuries, yes he's not playing well, but abusing your own player via the internet (like that's going to make him play better) is stupid (and really reflects the metality of some so-called fans - some advise for you 'sit down and shut up')

  19. TK

    Apr 19, 2012, 14:32 #21349

    'including a hat trick against burnley'!! that made me laugh, hardly a USP. However, i have warmed to him, he works hard for the team and is a model professional, its a shame its taken him so long to get fit and into the squad.

  20. Jekyll

    Apr 19, 2012, 14:06 #21348

    You can tell he's not a Wenger player by the way he was tracking back against Wigan. Naturally of course, Wenger took him off. Even if Benny is offered a new contract he may not want to stay because he knows he's not one of Wenger's pet projects so will always be down the pecking order no matter how well he plays. Indeed, with Wenger's contrarian approach to squad management it seems the better you play, the more likely you are to be subbed or even benched (I'm thinking AOC as prime example).

  21. Jackson

    Apr 19, 2012, 13:58 #21347

    I would pick Benayoun in front of Walcott and Forehead any day of the week

  22. Ron

    Apr 19, 2012, 13:48 #21345

    The fella is a top professional who can always look in a mirror after a game and say 'i did my best and gave it my all' Theres not many in that Asrenal sqaud who can say that every game. A good squad man and always seems a really nice guy too.

  23. Mark from Ashtead

    Apr 19, 2012, 13:28 #21344

    I agree too Simon. I have no idea where the negativity toward Yossi, Per or for that matter Ramsey comes from. I think theses players (plus Arteta in particular) are all quality off as well as on the pitch as you say. Please God we continue with the policy of picking up players like this as it will pay off in the long haul. Nice tribute to your Dad as well btw...

  24. Brigham

    Apr 19, 2012, 13:28 #21343

    I quite like Yosi and did even before he came across to us. He has a great work ethic and puts in far more effort than others such as Geromino and Walcott. He lacks a bit creativity though and that his a bit of a weakness in his position. He looked totally hacked off the other night when he was subbed, when IMHO it should have been Walcott. I doubt Wenger will keep him mind, he prefers flair above workrate for his midfield.

  25. Gee

    Apr 19, 2012, 13:21 #21342

    Yes this is true. And I would have had him play before Arshavin from the day he arrived this season. Wenger probably didn't want to rely on him too much as he won't be at the club next year, but in the big games Wenger has needed him to provide the experience and nouse to control the game and dig in. Wenger out

  26. Joe S.

    Apr 19, 2012, 13:20 #21341

    Sorry For all his enthusiasm Yossi is just someone to again plug in the gaps. He's been a bit player at Liverpool and Chelsea.Like Arteta you wonder what he can offer Arsenal next season let alone in 2013 -14.To compare him favouably to some of the other dross we have on the books does not say much. Experience and enthusiasm are fine but won't carry you far if there is a lack of creativity matched by drive. What Arsenal really needs is a fireball like Eddie Hazzard. Regardless of cost we need a core of players who are better than average, otherwise just resign yourselves to the mundane seasons to come.

  27. Tony Evans

    Apr 19, 2012, 12:13 #21339

    I agree, Simon, and would take Yossi over the likes of Gervinho and even Walcott, when he has an off day, which happens far too often for my liking.

  28. chris dee

    Apr 19, 2012, 11:22 #21338

    Whatever some fans think,at least Benayoun never stops running, never stops trying and despite his build puts his body on the line for the team with tackles which is more than can be said of some of our 'superstars'. Rather Benayoun that more talented Arshavin who couldn't give a s**t about our club as he strolled though games as a passenger.

  29. Theo Jensen

    Apr 19, 2012, 10:58 #21337

    Agreed- he is precisely what Arsenal need. No more 'potential' or 'on the cheap' players but someone who undeniably puts in a great shift every time. He always puts in a lot of effort and in all honesty I think that's the main thing holding us back from winning trophies. He's got better and better throughout the season and as the team gels more and he becomes more accustomed to the system he'll be even more valuable. If you haven't already, check out his goal online against Wycombe- it's intense!

  30. Gman

    Apr 19, 2012, 10:46 #21336

    I agree with your view of Benayoun’s experience and that of Arteta, but Mertesacker has been out of his depth, what a shame we didn’t sign Cahill from Bolton instead of letting the Chavs get him. He played out of his skin against Barça last night and would have been a welcome addition to our squad. Wenger’s inability to strengthen the team in defence has cost us dearly ( £££!!? )in the PL and CL. I think we all got carried away with the teams recent run, but when we lose 10 games up to now in a season then there’s something fundamentally wrong with the team/squad. With Kroenke as the major shareholder, he’s not going to shower us with his Wal-Mart dollars, and realistically he’s not going to sell up so unfortunately we’re stuck with him. With all that in mind I still believe AW should go and be replaced by personnel who are Arsenal through and through, so with this thought in mind, what about the dream team of Bergkamp as manager and Adams as his assistant? What a combination that conjures up - beautiful football, efficiency in defence, with British bull dog spirit, and that’s with the limited resources being managed in a different style, with an intoxicating mix of intelligence, arrogance and abrasiveness. Can we only dream?

  31. kilkenny cat

    Apr 19, 2012, 10:36 #21335

    Totally agree,his work rate is superb and puts most of this lot to shame. Rather see him than the useless gervinho who is awful. I hope we sign him on a permanent deal,but I doubt it,wenger,s got nothing right for 6 years so why start now.

  32. Lydia Lapwing

    Mar 10, 2012, 20:55 #20170

    I thought a couple of years ago that one was allowed to sell one's own ticket at face value or less - did I dream this ?

  33. TonyLFC

    Mar 10, 2012, 9:40 #20135

    Not an Arsenal fan but this is unfair that it happened to you - someone doing a good deed and helping another fan out gets ****ed over while the scum who do it week in, week out and sell fake tickets get away with it.

  34. GrangeEndGal

    Mar 10, 2012, 9:30 #20134

    This is ridiculous. But would suggest you got better legal advice. Telling you to admit all in interview, and that having a lawyer turning up 'could make things worse' is decidely suspect. For anyone reading this who might find themselves in a similar situation - never go for the duty solicitor. The FSF has a good firm giving legal advice to football fans - use them instead!

  35. Alex in Wengerland

    Mar 10, 2012, 6:31 #20131

    My first reaction when I heard about the 5 arrests for ticket touting at the Milan match was that the police are flexing their muscles before the massive effort they will be required to put in at the Olympics. They really do need the practise though as the following shows. About 4 years ago I witnessed a tout selling 2 tickets to Japanese tourists for Arsenal v Man United in a local cafe. He discussed quite openly, and loudly enough for everyone in the cafe to hear, that the price was £800. I took photos of the event on my mobile phone including one tourist handing over a large wodge of cash and then started shouting at the tout to draw attention to what was happening. It turned out that there were another 4 people in the cafe who we so disgusted at the openness of the tout that they were prepared to give me their names and addresses as witnesses to what had happened. The cafe owner knew some of us and when he heard what was going on he volunteered the information that he had high quality CCTV footage of the events which he was more than happy to make available to the police. Armed with all this evidence I went in search of an officer of the law. I spoke to several PCs on duty who wouldn't take even my name, address and complaint. Neither would they summon a more senior officer to take down any details as they were 'too busy'. Eventually I found an officer who was prepared to take down the details of the witnesses and the cafe but, although he seemed sympathetic to my view that the scum tout should be pursued, he thanked me for the information but said that he doubted than anything would be done. Sure enough none of us ever heard anything from the police, CPS or any other interested party. Even when you give them the evidence on a plate the police are not interested in doing anything about real touting! I am very interested in the fact that the long term fan, i.e. the season ticket holders, have to get the club's permission in advance to allow anyone other than the named owner to sit in the seat while paper ticket holders are allowed to take whoever they like. I wonder if they can actually make this distinction stick in a court of law? Surely there is some kind of discrimination going on here? As regards a campaign to put an end to all this nonsense I am right with you … just let us know when and where you need our support and I will be there. You will not have to do it all yourself. There must be LOADS of Gooners who will be prepared to take part in a campaign on this issue, which could give so many of us a criminal record? And if we start it, I am sure fans of other clubs who are running the same risk every time they take a mate to a match for the face value of the ticket would be prepared to at the minimum sign a petition and maybe more. Maybe we should start by taking the stage at the Rocket before the Aston Villa match and asking for support and practical help? We could campaign on two fronts, to stop the club from victimising you personally Kevin but also on the wider legal issue of the definition of touting and the fact that we would like action to be taken by the police to stop those who are just ripping people off like the tout in the incident I described above.

  36. Old Fart

    Mar 09, 2012, 15:21 #20107

    Unbelievable that you were treated in such a way, we all hope and expect that the police are able to exercise some level of understanding in the way that they apply the law to specific incidents. I do appreciate that they are following the law but surely this is just absolute stupidity and waste of police time and a drain on their resources. My brother –in-law uses my wife’s ticket as she is too poorly to attend matches, does this mean that technically I am now a tout and a law breaker as I let him cover the cost of the ticket.. I know that there are rules for a reason but they are somewhat ridiculous especially when a season ticket holder is unable to give a ticket to a friend or relative as the rules state that only the season ticket holder can use the ticket. In that case why is that some families have multiple tickets all issued in one family members name, I presume that they are not all called by the same name as otherwise it would be very confusing at meal times. The ticket exchange is good in principle but as you have correctly pointed out the club have their cake and eat it. They sell you the ticket at full price; they then re sell it for you and charge you for doing so and on top of that they hold onto your money until the following season, do they really need to hold on to our few quid that desperately, its not like they buy anything with it! I am truly sorry for all that you experienced the other night and it is very sad when someone genuinely tries to help someone out and then finds themselves in a ludicrous amount of serious trouble for their efforts. I sincerely hope that both the club and the police see fit to apply common sense and use their discretion as appropriate in dealing with this situation. Good luck.

  37. Khurram Muzaffar

    Mar 09, 2012, 11:57 #20082

    They should have visited aubert park where touting waas so blantant like ticket sale desk. I was parking my car there and as i was walking to the staduim i was appproached about 10 timmes if i wanted the ticket. Its like walking in the red light area of eastren europe. hopen the polce should concentrate real touts.

  38. urzz1871

    Mar 09, 2012, 10:36 #20075

    Interesting - especially as the Premier League's own official National Fan Survey, 2006/07, seems to officially condone this practice for PL matches, saying : "Usage of season tickets when not attending matches This was a new question for the 2006/07 survey and was targeted specifically at those season ticket holders who didn’t attend all home games. As expected, the vast majority merely pass their tickets on to friends and family (88%). However, 9% do nothing with their unused season ticket and a mere 3% pass their ticket back to the club for re-sale. Clearly, given the pressure on ticket availability at certain clubs, having the ability to ‘re-cycle’ unused season tickets back into the system has likely financial benefits for both the club and the season ticket holder concerned. "

  39. cockerill's chin

    Mar 08, 2012, 22:05 #20069

    Although this may give you an opportunity to campaign about an obviously inappropriate blanket law I'm sure you can't be bothered with the hassle right now. I don't agree with the duty solicitor's advice and think "no comment" would have served you better. It is irrelevant that Graham sang like a bird. It's amazing how people's recollection changes from the high pressure of a police interview to when they have had time to reflect. Perhaps Graham might later remember he owed you money for a meal you had previously paid for. Only, of course, if this was true. As you said, you never handed over a ticket so there could have been no evidence to hand over to the CPS other than Graham's statement which may or may not have been accurate. It is such a ridiculously worded law and the police seem intent to enforce it on the easiest targets. Why make their jobs easier? Touts have a hundred excuses for interviews but honest fans justifiably but falsely believe their good intentions will save them. I fear that you will just be processed automatically now Kevin because you did the right thing. Good luck but get some legal advice that is in your best interests from now on.

  40. Flashman71

    Mar 08, 2012, 18:15 #20061

    Kevin, First of all, respects to you for a clear, precise, and extremely reasoned piece given the situation (albeit shocking account) of what should have been a great night for you and others going along to watch your beloved Arsenal. The club and the police have acted disgracefully.Firstly, does the club actually not realise that if the thousands of us season ticket holders (who pay the highest prices in the country let's not forget) did not share/pass on those games they were unable to attend, then most of the time the ground would be half-full. None of us are ticket touts, far from it, many of the games I have been unable to attend over the past few seasons has enabled a number of friends, associates, friends kids, visitors (some of whom never get a chance to get to a game) etc to attend an Arsenal match, something that they find extremely difficult to do due to various faults of the club's own ticketing schemes (silver and red membership), the extortionate prices and lack of availability, and the mere fact that not every supporter or fan wishes or can attend every home game. I can not believe what has happened to you, it is that ridiculous and absurd I am finding it difficult to comphrehend (it must have been absolutely surreal at the time, standing in Holloway nick, when an hour before you set out to watch the Arsenal). The whole thing would be laughable if it wasn't so serious for all us Arsenal fans. This has actually opened a massive can of worms for the club (I don't blame the plod here - in the sense- that as we all know they are not the brightest members of our society. I mean how they just didn't listen to you and then pass a blind eye etc beggars belief, christ they will need to put coaches on to take every fan in that stadium who isn't using a named seat to the local clink! I hope your awful experience is looked at by fellow gooners with abhorrence and not taken lightly as "just one of those unlucky things". This affects all of us and I hope you and the Gooner can open an ongoing discussion (petition for you if the worst happens etc) about this, as well as keeping us informed of your personal future outcome with the club and the season ticket and possible criminal prosecution (fu*c*ng unbelievable). As for morality, you are right, the club certainly lacks an understanding of it as many of its other actions reveal, while it seems the majority of us fans do. And as for the plod, while I doubt they could even spell it let alone comprehend the term and its meaning. All the best Flashman71

  41. clockendrider

    Mar 08, 2012, 18:08 #20060

    Well done the police. Another crime solved. No wonder their statistics look so good. And about as believable as a train timetable.

  42. Paula holt

    Mar 08, 2012, 17:14 #20058

    This happened to my husband he sold a spare ticket at less than face value rather than let it go to waste he was handcuffed bundled in the police van and I was already in the ground I can tell you it was a nightmare he had a big fine and now a criminal record the club wanted to take our season tickets away and AISA were helpful I went and reported my ticket lost and got a duplicate for the rest of season because the police kept the original for evidence and then sent back to club many months later good luck

  43. Jayb

    Mar 08, 2012, 17:13 #20057

    Its a fkn disgrace mate. Treated like a criminal - all who have been involved in this should be utterly ashamed and remorseful - as soon as they found out the truth (maybe they are). Lets hope so mate. If it gets to court they can try and put things right there and hope you get a 'normal' Judge n Jury... What i hate is the two faced gits who are quick to knock you yet they do the same themselves ev now and then - by that i mean people who worry about losing their so called 'positions' in and around the club - ie @ certain club organisations associated in some way with the club. Stand up in support you bottle jobs! Best wishes mate - hope you dont lose the ST and hope there are no charges to come - but the judicial system stinks in the UK

  44. Big Dave

    Mar 08, 2012, 17:06 #20056

    Disgusting you can bet you were targeted mate, we have more touts outside the ground then you can shake a stick at week after week in the same place, Why you ? our clubs become big brother

  45. RD

    Mar 08, 2012, 14:32 #20042

    Endless experiences of watching the police turn a blind eye to blatant touting right under their noses and this happens! Outrageous that you missed a proud night at The Arsenal and spent much of the early hours in a cell for essentially doing the right thing, morally. Anyway, I received a text from my brother as I got off at H&I that he had been sent home from work and was too unwell to make the game. So I thought to make the best out the situation I’d try to find a new home for the ticket and the money for my brother. I spent about 10 minutes walking around the area surrounding the Armoury muttering “spare ticket, face value, available”. The guy I eventually found was willing to offer me a very decent ‘profit’ for both of our tickets but we agreed on £60 (a couple of pounds less than FV). Unfortunately – and probably rightly so given the fraud that could take place – the box office wouldn’t issue a duplicate, despite all the evidence of the common sense / prima facie variety that I had on me that this was a genuine request. I guess I should be very relieved that the same didn’t happen to me, which was almost certainly worse than your offence (although the transaction didn’t actually go through). But I guess there are no shades here – which is the problem – the law in this area all too black & white and all encompassing. It’s also another example of exclusively treating all football fans like criminals. More needs to be done on touting. Just differently.

  46. daisymoo

    Mar 08, 2012, 14:22 #20041

    thats awful, i hear the touts all the time asking for spare tickets and tickets for sale and the police dont do anything to them, i hope you get no further action and you're season ticket back.

  47. SDCC

    Mar 08, 2012, 14:12 #20040

    Just read this through a link on Twitter. Disgusting. I'm not an Arsenal fan (Pompey for my sins), but this is just ridiculous. What we're you actually doing wrong? Nothing in my eyes. Hope it all pans out well for you Kevin, and that this also brings some attention to the subject.

  48. Karen Heard

    Mar 08, 2012, 14:06 #20039

    Utterly ridiculous, hundreds of people do it every game - they cant attend for whatever reason, and sell ticket at face value or less. Someone who sits near me is incapacitated at the moment, and its a different mate of theirs who turns up every week.

  49. officepest

    Mar 08, 2012, 14:01 #20038

    Absolutely gutted for you. I've been touted right in front of the Police (as recently as the Blackburn game) up and down St Thomas' & Gillespie Road and nothing is done. I wish you luck in getting your ticket back but I doubt the club will be so forthcoming. For what it's worth, I totally agree with your points about the ticket exchange system. Best of luck when you're up before the beak. I hpoe they can see this from your point of view.

  50. Jed

    Mar 08, 2012, 13:59 #20037

    If there is going to be a campaign on this it should be to change the law, that's the real problem. The reason Kevin is in hot water is that touting difficult to prove so the government of the day changed the law to make it as easy as possible to prosecute. So if there is any money changing hands(or other "goods or services" eg pints before the match)and even if it's less than face value you are committing a criminal offence. Innocent people doing favours for mates are caught and there are probably thousands of people every match who are breaching this law (me included). It's ridiculous and needs to change. So go for it Kevin, this is something that fans of all the big clubs suffer from, you'd get a lot of support across the country.

  51. Tony Porter

    Mar 08, 2012, 13:34 #20032

    How unjust and how excessive, and after all your hard work for the club! Most of us have done what you did for a friend - a quiet word from the police was all that was needed. You will have plenty of support if it does come to court.

  52. Bish

    Mar 08, 2012, 13:25 #20031

    Bloody ridiculous. You would think the police have "other things" to deal with. I often cant make the game but always give my ticket to a proper gooner that cant always go. I am lucky enough ( due to working my arris off ) to be in that position where the money for the ticket wont bother me too much, just hate to think my seat is empty. Some ticket touts are vermin and always will be, but you are not a tout! Home work needed by the police I think to learn the difference. Hope the case gets thrown out. It bloody well should do.

  53. Mike Francis

    Mar 08, 2012, 12:32 #20024

    Just to clarify what "rolypoly" has stated in his recent post, I did not say that Kevin refused to campaign. I said that The Gooner did not take the lead on campaigning issues, but we've regularly provided space for people who wanted to do so. If Kevin feels that he wants to take this forward, then that is his personal choice and he obviously may use the pages of The Gooner to publicise his progress. I'm sure he will appreciate your constructive advice.

  54. Croker

    Mar 08, 2012, 12:27 #20023

    Really hope the CPS and Arsenal exercise some good judgment and pragmatism here.

  55. rolypoly

    Mar 08, 2012, 11:41 #20019

    My sympathy for this appalling treatment of you Kevin is somewhat tempered by your apparent refusal, according to mike francis, as editor to become involved in any campaigning on behalf of football fans generally and gooners in particular but here is a golden opportunity for you to re- think your role. For once I have read all the comments just to make sure I am not going over old ground. First, this is a summary offence only so unfortunately the option of a crown Court jury trial does not work for you. But, more importantly, there is a Human Rights issue. - i am no expert but know enough but I rather suspect a good argument could be put forward that there has been a breach. You would need to contact me for more info. As has been mooted by others, this is your moment. I reckon if you were to plead not guilty if charged, you would get endless contributions to legal fees to fight your corner not only in magistrates court but also civil claim against police and indeed against AFC should you be penalised in any way. This is your moment, your opportunity to do some goodfor all football lovers, please don't bottle it. you can email me at anytime-for once we are on the same side.

  56. Ichi_1

    Mar 08, 2012, 10:49 #20018

    It does amaze me how the Police always seem to find the one honest guy and punish him accordingly. If you walk up from Arsenal tube you'll walk past ten touts shouting about tickets before you reach the stairs leading up to the stadium. Police everywhere but nothing is done. I mean if touting is such a problem why don't they send down an extra few coppers and scoop up 50 touts in an hour before the game?

  57. RJ

    Mar 08, 2012, 10:11 #20017

    Folks - Just called the Box Office. The Ts & Cs being quoted by some people are for single match tickets, not season tickets - the view of the club is that season tickets are NOT TRANSFERABLE, and it is OK as a one-off if approved by the club in writing in advance! Brilliant. Thanks muchly Arsenal. I guess they are not alone in applying this. The practice will obviously continue, but we should all be aware of our potential risk and make sure that any such transactions are done well away from the ground and quietly - and that the people getting the tickets walk in like they own the place. How many empty seats if we didn't transfer season tickets in this way? The Ts & Cs as written on the website are really difficult to understand (and I am an Accountant who spends a lot of time reading contracts) - but again it says they can be transferred if notified to and agreed by the club in advance. However - that is a matter of contractual law between us and Arsenal, and not a police matter - what happened to dear Ed is ridiculous. BUT London's Finest were applying the letter of the 1994 Criminal Justice and Public Order Act, as extended by the 1999 Football (Offences and Disorder) Act. The buyer is not liable to prosecution, but anyone selling or offering to sell outside a ground is liable to up to £5,000 penalty - it's all about anti-hooliganism - this case is clearly an absurd mis-use of the law, but let us all be aware of the potential risk. I for one will be very, very circumspect about who I pass my tickets on to when I can't go in the future. I often just hand off my tickets to Arsenal friends when I can't go and no prospect of selling through the Exchange. Clearly such largesse is not in the spirit of football anymore.

  58. BringBackDene

    Mar 08, 2012, 9:48 #20016

    To JM-London I don't understand why touts can't be caught, they make themselves known very easily ?

  59. Gerry

    Mar 08, 2012, 9:35 #20015

    After reading that I realised I am a criminal as is my wife and my friends. Next time we land in Standsted or Gatwick or Heathrow or dock at Holyhead the Police will be waiting.

  60. Leeds & Celtic fan

    Mar 08, 2012, 7:25 #20014

    As someone who's had access to numerous AFC memberships (No, not a tout;Live in N4 & know around 50 or so Gooners), the attitude of the cops on this is a F*cking disgrace. And the club who've hassled various people I've bought tickets for, over the years. If the tickets are sold/re-sold at the price they were bought for, why do care who goes? The ground would be half-empty, if they had a photo ID/iris recognition system. We rarely see police arresting the real criminals if people get mugged around FP station or my pal, a bit of an AFC 'face', took a while to get sorted when being threatened for standing up to the local chavs from The Elthorne Estate. Sympathise with the probs you have as Arse.fans, but If you ever want to swap chairmen, re. a Mr.B*tes, please feel free! MOT/HH!

  61. DW Thomas

    Mar 08, 2012, 3:43 #20013

    First thing i thought when reading Kev was you're having a laugh. Money trumps everything and penny pinching Arsenal is no better. What a great game though. Felt too good to be true and it was in the end. Again Wenger has no bench that can win a game. Seriously, what was th reason for buying Park? He's become like a mascot. Milan were there for the taking and we could easily have got that 4th goal...but once again no super sub to make the difference. Our core group of 5 or 6 players too often carry the rest. The game made me feel like a rabbit who was being waved a carrot. U could almost taste overtime but no...15 years of cl with only one where we could and should have won it.

  62. Gare Kekeke

    Mar 08, 2012, 3:13 #20012

    So sorry to read about your ordeal. I hope some sense of justice will prevail. Just a footnote, I have a season ticket and a Silver membership. My Silver membership has been used a few times by family and friends whilst I am attending a home game with my season ticket, does that make me a criminal? As many have said, you clearly see touts on the streets of Gillespie Road and on Drayton Park, so why are these guys not being looked at? As the old saying goes 'the law is an ass'.

  63. LEGGSY

    Mar 08, 2012, 2:57 #20011

    Its illegal if not immoral but I'm sorry its just plain dumb to do it around the station ,as this is far from an isolated case ! The Police as we know at Arsenal are complete arseholes and are under strict instructions to arrests and detain anyone who looks like they are selling a ticket. It helps with their crime Vs clear up rate ,they are not interested in common sense or real police work ,that's too difficult ! I agree that Arsenals way should be also illegal just as Thomas Cooks reselling of ticket and Hotel packages at vastly inflated prices should be but what can you do . You have my sympathy but the only thing to do is fall at the mercy of the beak,and thank God the hanging Judge Springer isn't around anymore.

  64. QuartzGooner

    Mar 08, 2012, 0:19 #20010

    The touts can be seen at every game plus many other sports and music events, in their Hackett polo shirts and scuffed Air Force Ones. The Old Bill are scared of them, they could easily nick a few to make a show of force, but instead they pick on the innocent punter like Gooner.Ed who they reason will not fight back. There was a thread on the Forum of an identical story, the message is to NEVER hand over a ticket outside the ground and take money, but to do it in a pub or restaurant nearby.

  65. Greg71

    Mar 07, 2012, 21:53 #20009

    Echo the thoughts of all on here,this madness must be challenged/defended,when the fighting fund is set up count me in. Noticed that sky news has reported of five arrests for supposed touting can i suggest that you may be able to highlight your case through this medium as a start to your challenge ?

  66. ady/hw

    Mar 07, 2012, 21:45 #20008

    there is one thing i would like to say about kevin HE IS NOT A TOUT !! the reasons are are as follows / as far as i know he does not own a pair of reebok tennis shoes/burberry scalf /barbour quilted jacket or m tech bmw last time i saw him it was still a nissan !he also is not to be seen outside the underground /on the steps/ outside turnstiles advertising best seats at good prices !!all under the nose of pc plod !the man is a gent profit is not an option merely uniting people who have and can`t with people who havn`t and can hardly a crime / is there something more sinister to this ?? lost any voicemails/said anything anti american /voiced an opinion on the olympic stadium/helped an old lady cross the street/given your seat up on a bus ??if yes to any of these you could be in big trouble !! seriously now keep up the good work & dont let the b@@@@@s get you down

  67. Mandy dodd

    Mar 07, 2012, 21:19 #20007

    Completely ridiculous, always infuriated to hear of people clogging up cells and the justice system who have clearly done nothing, when we all know all sorts walk free who are up to all kinds of things. Hope it is soon sorted with no further action

  68. Paul Wickes

    Mar 07, 2012, 20:41 #20006

    That's ridiculous. Are they trying to force fans not to buy via friends and/or fellow fans who AREN'T trying to tout??? Twitter has a mass of fans who sell their tickets at face value or lower. I guess they have to be careful not to sell on the streets...

  69. Paul

    Mar 07, 2012, 20:23 #20005

    This is just plain crazy. You have to fight it, football fans up and down the country would support you.

  70. JM - LONDON

    Mar 07, 2012, 20:07 #20004

    I couldnt agree more with Bonehead. I'm a serving Police officer and often find myself in the vicinty of the Arsenal on a matchday (either at the game or working). The ex Millwall firm who blag tickets outside of Arsenal tube are absolute scum and as organised as drug dealers, hence very difficult to catch and why a disruption tactic is all that is usually employed to deal wth them on a match by match basis. Kevin sadly sounds like a bit of a scape goat here - 'we caught one'. I would never undermine my colleagues actions in a profession that is constantly undermined by just about everyone, but if I had dealt with him it would probably ended up with me giving him my address in case he ever had a spare going in the future!. Hopefully when you surrender to bail you will be told the matter has been NFA'd, thats what I would recommend anyway.

  71. McBilbo

    Mar 07, 2012, 20:01 #20003

    Thank god our streets our so safe that it is considered a usefull application of polive time to arrest someone for selling something he's already bought. Oh hold on...

  72. friend (t)

    Mar 07, 2012, 19:54 #20002

    kev 59,000 sell out for a 4-0 turnaround no way,loads of people did not go but passed them on which means some of those people may be first timers, which means more beer, more burgers, more everything, in the plc`s coffers.the club could not afford to let that happen which is why the T&C`S seem to be in all our favour..

  73. Michael Preston

    Mar 07, 2012, 19:50 #20001

    To borrow Dickens, if the law supposes what you did to be illegal, the law is a ass, a idiot.

  74. storrmin571

    Mar 07, 2012, 19:32 #20000

    Shocking Kev, take it on can't see the CPS taking it to court. Should have left you go after reading your statements with an apology.

  75. Pat Whelton

    Mar 07, 2012, 19:01 #19999

    One thing towards a defence, the accused must have malicious intent to do a criminal act, or mens rea (a guilty mind). Good luck.

  76. Dan h

    Mar 07, 2012, 18:57 #19998

    Kev some great responses to this situation you are in & i believe as others have said you may be surprised by the response should you decide to fight it.We still have half a dozen home games left this season & i would be willing to make a donation also this is wrong on many levels.Just an idea but you could issue the gooner sellers with collection tins & or petitions.Even if you cannot attend games if you are in the surrounding area pub wise let people know online and momentum will soon gather against this.The club media dept DO read sites like this & it may well help your case best of luck keep us all informed.

  77. James

    Mar 07, 2012, 18:53 #19997

    Point 3.3 of the T&C regarding tickets states that "If more than one Home Match Ticket is issued to you, one Home Match Ticket must be retained by you for your personal use (subject to the provisions below) and the remainder may be transferred to your Guest(s) for his/her personal use only, PROVIDED THAT: (A) such transfer takes place in consideration of no payment or benefit in excess of the face value of the Home Match Ticket; (B) such transfer does not take place in the course of any business or for the purpose of facilitating any third party’s business; (C) such transfer to any Guest(s) will be subject to the Terms & Conditions of Entry which will (save for any rights to transfer under this paragraph or any rights to a refund under paragraph 5.3) apply to the Guest(s) as if he/she were the original purchaser of the Home Match Ticket (you must inform the Guest(s) of this); and (D) you will provide the name and address of your Guest(s) when asked to do so by any official, steward or employee of the Club and/or any police officer. Point 3.4 goes on to say that "In the event that you and/or your Guest are unable to use any Home Match Ticket then you may transfer that Home Match Ticket(s) to a natural person WHO IS KNOWN TO YOU PERSONALLY and who would be entitled (under the Terms & Conditions of Entry and otherwise) to purchase such Home Match Ticket and attend such Match PROVIDED THAT: (A) such transfer takes place in consideration of no payment or benefit in excess of the face value of the Home Match Ticket; (B) such transfer does not take place in the course of any business or for the purpose of facilitating any third party’s business; (C) such transfer will be subject to the Terms & Conditions of Entry which will (save for any rights to transfer under this paragraph or any rights to a refund under paragraph 5.3) apply to the transferee as if he were the original purchaser of the Home Match Ticket (and you must inform the transferee of this); and (D) you will provide the name and address of the transferee when asked to do so by any official, steward or employee of the Club or any police officer. If you follow this, the rozzers (and by extension the club) can't touch you.

  78. friend (t)

    Mar 07, 2012, 18:48 #19996

    also kev how many people do you see handing cards to people within the stadium concourse,does this mean the police will come for anybody within the ground,and the people who stand against the wall outside the blue and green quadrants are all waiting for someone to turn up,are these people all TOUTS ?? of course not, my guess is there is hardly no one who holds a ticket at arsenal fc that has not given,sold,or lent one out. the police are bozo`s mate and should concentrate on arsenal tube station( where lets face it are in full view of chief inspector regan)and not someone like the people i have mentioned. no mate we fight this...

  79. HipHop Gooner

    Mar 07, 2012, 18:45 #19995

    Who is meant to be the victim in this 'crime'? The buyer who you did a favour for no extra cost. Or The club who you've helped prevent an empty seat and get an extra voice for their much acclaimed 'Best atmosphere ever'? The legislature has gunned another good man down Respect

  80. Truth

    Mar 07, 2012, 18:44 #19994

    Mate,I done exactly what you did and have thought that I was doing he club a favor in making sure that my seat was not left empty. I'm truly disgusted!

  81. Bradley Green

    Mar 07, 2012, 18:38 #19993

    You make a few good points. I feel sorry for your honest misadventure!! I gave up my season ticket back in 2008, due to not being able to go to every game because of work and family, mainly the wife, you know what they are like!! Anyway, I digress, my friend has two season tickets for him and his son, but he can't go to the evening games because of school, so I go. I pay him about £30 per game, which is no more than face value. What is wrong with this?

  82. Mark

    Mar 07, 2012, 18:24 #19991

    Sue the police. Seriously.

  83. Rob

    Mar 07, 2012, 18:24 #19990

    Kev just one further point ! If you do decide to fight this - the choice is yours and yours alone - but if you do, it will require time and money. You should not hesitate to use this site to set up a fighting fund and ask for donations accordingly. It is not a palatable prospect in any event. But clearly, many will see this as a test case, as well as a further attack on attempt at an independent Arsenal 'voice'. So you may be pleasantly surprised by the degree of support.

  84. Shakey

    Mar 07, 2012, 18:17 #19989

    I recently went to the Blackburn game with my mate who used another of our mates membership cards, it just so happens the card in question was faulty and the friend who had leant it to my other mate actually had a replacement One at home..however after making a phone call to sort the issue out in the ticket office the Club had no problems letting my mate in to watch the 7-1 hammering

  85. Nicolae

    Mar 07, 2012, 17:53 #19988

    I can't understand why they don't arrest all the wallies who on match day are shouting in your face "spare tickets" and you got arrested only because of a cash transaction between some one you know.This is ridiculous

  86. Charlie - Block 6

    Mar 07, 2012, 17:51 #19987

    This is crazy and if you have any appetite to plead not guilty and test this in court I'm sure that a defence fund of some kind could be arranged. Or perhaps one of our more illustrious fans who are also members (a certain bald TV personality springs to mind) of the bar could be moved to take up your case and represent you. It will be very interesting to see if the club take any notice of this instance of the law being prosecuted and whether they see sense. There is the letter or the law and the spirit of the law to consider. If there is no profit motive then has a crime actually taken place?

  87. Gooner 48

    Mar 07, 2012, 17:44 #19986

    Gutted to hear of your plight Kev. I think that if the Club should fail to return your ticket they will never hear the end of it. Quite a few of us will make sure of that. I would estimate that 98% of all season tickets around me are 'shared' at some point in the season. On average at the very least 10-30% depending on the match.

  88. Mgooner

    Mar 07, 2012, 17:43 #19985

    Sorry to hear about what happened kev The real joke is how do you think off duty police officers get tickets for the games, most likely through friends that have a spare or even work colleagues. I hope it goes well for you at court and they see it's pointless to proceed forward as you are a genuine fan.

  89. Jem Maidment

    Mar 07, 2012, 17:42 #19984

    Incredible. Meanwhile, half a mile away at Nags Head police walk by as criminals gangs openly sell counterfeit, unregulated cigarettes for major criminal paymasters.... A crime that has many victims on many levels. Best of luck in court ...

  90. Goonerdad

    Mar 07, 2012, 17:37 #19983

    Sounds like a nightmare! Remember a few years ago the Club asked us to put individual names on season tickets to alleviate the problem of one person owning more than one? My 'spare' ticket is in the name of someone that does not exist!! A mate of mine still has three in his name so at every game he must be a 'tout'......the world has gone mad!!!

  91. Dan Fan

    Mar 07, 2012, 17:35 #19982

    What a waste of time and taxpayers money, plus a true fan missed a great game. Crazy. I had a TRS membership revoked after I sold a ticket at face value outside the ground once - must have got into the wrong hands. I wrote a letter to the club explaining that it was sold in good faith, that I was a 4th generation supporter who'd been going to games all my life etc etc. They overturned the decision and re-instated my membership, so maybe there's hope for you.

  92. Ealing Gooner

    Mar 07, 2012, 17:33 #19981

    Like many other people here, I've witnessed those touts outside the tube station getting away with it for years right under the noses of the police, I guess the lesson is to collect the money well away from the ground. AFC would rather people use their ticket exchange system so that they can take their cut from the seller and ticketmaster can collect their booking fee from the buyer. By the way why don't the club allow tickets to be bought in person anymore? Is it because they can't charge any extra fees then? If you do lose your season ticket it will probably go to one of the plastic fans or tourists who will spend their money on the tat in the club shop, turn up late, tell anyone who dares to sing to sit down and shut up, take 20-25 mins at half time buying their overpriced hot dog then leave 10 mins early because they can't bear to wait for a train, the club don't care who buys the tickets (or even if they turn up) as long as they get the money up front. While the team did us proud last night, the souless idiots running this club disgust me, they gave us that new crest to protect their profits, they sue Spanish hat sellers, they flog things like stones outside the ground and next season we will have our 4th home kit in 4 years. Sadly the soul of this club that I love is resting in peace in Highbury Square.

  93. friend (t)

    Mar 07, 2012, 17:17 #19980

    hello mate i have tried to get the statement they put out for milan (away) tickets, and i am 100% sure that it said that THE CLUB were well aware that the tkts that you purchase from them may not be for the person who is the ticket holder and that you will have to give the name of the person who whose name will have to be printed on the ticket well that smells of double standards to me and i will fight your corner if needed.

  94. norfolk gooner

    Mar 07, 2012, 17:15 #19979

    Great effort from the lads,just shows how important an away goal would have been. Gervinho our worst player on the night by far,not sure about him yet!as soon as Ox and Walcott came off that was it, we completely lost our shape. Agree with Tony Evans, its been the same every season, a couple of injuries in key positions and we're struggling,this season FB, last season CB and last night only 2 recognised midfielders,is this bad luck or bad management?Thankfully RvP has stayed fit, the thought of Chamakh and Park... lets not go there!I've said on here before, we need 2 strikers even if RvP decides to stay,a midfielder and leftback.

  95. Andy Sunderland

    Mar 07, 2012, 17:02 #19978

    Sorry to hear about your terrible time Kevin but i'm not surprised by this action , The gap between real fans and the club is so big and that's why lots of the old faces who regularly stood on the north bank /clock end in the 70's and 80's don't go anymore . I hate the way the club have tried to destroy the meeting of fans in the local pubs by opening up all these crappy bars with overpriced food i think they call it club level where the fans with the most money can't get out to see the team kick off the second half . Arsenal destroyed Milan and maybe if we'd had some decent subs we could have done it .

  96. Gooner 48

    Mar 07, 2012, 17:00 #19977

    Touting is a problem, but not one the police actually care too much about because arresting ACTUAL touts is not easy. They work in teams so the transfer of specific tickets and money is not easy to prove. The specialist police know exactly who they are but have continually failed to stop them. Anyone walking from The Arsenal tube to the ground on match days on a regular basis can easily point out to 10 - 20 touts any police who might be interested.

  97. Website Editor (i.e. Kevin Whitcher)

    Mar 07, 2012, 16:40 #19976

    In fairness, at this stage, it is the police who were responsible for arresting me. This had nothing to do with the club. As to whether or not they will use discretion and prove reasonable, time will tell. But if a court of law bans me from attending a football stadium or being within a mile of the Emirates on a matchday, then it is out of the club's hands. If i get a fine and/or a warning - then the club will have the opportunity to use discretion. My argument in the article is really what makes the official ticket exchange moral and the informal face value (or less) ticket exchange that so many thousands practice illegal. There seems to be one rule for them and another for us.

  98. donald

    Mar 07, 2012, 16:40 #19975

    i have had similar experiences. i sold a ticket at less than FV outside the ground, got seen by the police and carted off. i tried explaining that i wasnt a tout and i was at the game with my 10 yr old son who was now standing on his own wondering where i was. i told the police that should anything happen to my son they would be held responsible at which point common sense prevailed and they let me go. another friend sold a ticket again at FV and when the punter asked a steward inside the ground where the seat was, he was asked why he doesn't know where it is if its a season ticket. He explained he bought it, he got ejected and my mate lost his ticket.

  99. CDP234

    Mar 07, 2012, 16:36 #19974

    I use arsenal_tickets a lot as I have 3 season tickets and quite often one of my two daughters cannot make it. I always assumed because there was no profit involved then all was fine. Maybe the key is not to exchange cash outside the ground but instead meet well away or exchange once inside. A very straight middle aged female friend of mine was arrested once because she was actively offering a ticket outside the ground and SHE was going to give it to someone for nothing!! it is absurd

  100. GoonerGoal!

    Mar 07, 2012, 16:36 #19973

    I am surprised that I am not the least surprised by what happened to you. It's official, the world has gone completely nuts! Get yourself a solicitor and tell them about the duty solicitor advising you that having a solicitor in attendance at the interview could possibly make things worse. Then demand the club hand you a replacement season ticket immediately, or face the consequences of the wrath of Gooner and all of its readership. On behalf of all of us, tell them "I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!"

  101. Chunky The Gooner

    Mar 07, 2012, 16:26 #19971

    Kev, There must have been a clampdown last night as I know of somebody else who got 'nicked' too. Sad thing is we all know who the touts are as we see them every week and **** all happens to them. Yet you and the person I knew were just handing over tickets for no profit and you get nicked!

  102. ArrGee

    Mar 07, 2012, 16:12 #19970

    "My season ticket may be returned to the club in time, maybe immediately. But will they return it to me and let me attend matches?" I'm sure they will given the flood of expected returns. My mates can get their own tickets from now on! Personally speaking, the coppers acted like pricks on this occasion. They should go and catch some proper villains. They just picked on you because you were a soft target and it gets their arrests up to meet targets. The really stupid thing is if someone gives me £50 for whatever reason outside the ground (normally our little annual wagers), I would get nicked as a tout! The whole ticket exchange is simply protectionism. They won't sell any tickets on it until they are sold out everywhere. Will be interesting to see what happens for the Wigan game.

  103. Richard

    Mar 07, 2012, 16:03 #19969

    I have 2 memberships that are both in my name the second usually sat on by family members or friends is this illegal. Are corporate seats that are used for business entertaining guests in exchange the business dealings illegal too? Or is the whole thing just about collecting the cash on the day outside the ground? CAN OF WORMS

  104. Nick

    Mar 07, 2012, 16:00 #19968

    I attended the swansea game in sept on someone elses ticket, which was purchased for me by my brother in law as an early birthday present, which he obtained from his rugby clubs charitable auction, so were we and the rugby club breaking the law? you should only be considered to be breacking the law if you or the person you bought it from is making a profit, its not harming the club theyve already had their money for the ticket in fact its helping them as theres an arse on an otherwise empty seat, probably spending more cash on programmes, hot dogs etc, so in fact their gaining from a situation where otherwise they would lose money, farcical and unfair situation, i think id go to court and plead my case.

  105. Chris

    Mar 07, 2012, 15:57 #19967

    I'm a silver member and try whenever possible to get into blocks 4-7, for a chance of standing. When the tickets for Milan (H) went on sale to us, I missed it, and by the time I went online for tickets, the whole lower tier was sold out. So I thought I'll wait for one to pop up on ticket exchange. Two weeks before the game, I phoned the club to ask when they'd go on ticket exchange, and was told that the service opnly operates for domestic games, not European games. A week later, I was checking for Everton (A) info, only to find that Milan HAD gone on ticket exchange. There were loads up. So, I don't know what happened there. But I stood in Block 5 for a European game last night, having got my ticket through ticket exchange.

  106. Ross

    Mar 07, 2012, 15:52 #19966

    Just use the Home Match ticket T+C's to your advantage against the club Paragraph 3.4 states if you and or a guest can not attend a home match you may transfer that ticket to a person known to you personally provided you do not benefit above face value

  107. Website Editor (i.e. Kevin Whitcher)

    Mar 07, 2012, 15:47 #19965

    Thanks for all messages of support. My over-riding feeling at the moment is sheer fatigue rather than anger. And as far as the police are concerned I gave up on any sense of a just system many a year ago. As for a petition, I'm touched, but let's wait and see what the club response is first. As the case has not gone to court yet, I will make enquiries to discover if I am allowed to attend the match on Monday - which I doubt - but I will find out. I think a petition might be good for the court case assuming there is one - on the general principle that selling an unused spare ticket at face value should not automatically result in a ban from attending matches, which is my fear. And I think that is one that would be signed by fans of all clubs and maybe garner signatures in their tens of thousands if word got round.

  108. Gooner1711

    Mar 07, 2012, 15:45 #19964

    Yet again another method of driving away the good fan. The touts outside Arsenal tube have a field day away from the ground! I have seen this before and when I have done this I now get the person to pay me inside the ground. They could do a runner I guess but not happened yet. Nazi stle polcing, well done the boys in blue and no doubt backed up by the club.

  109. Stuart

    Mar 07, 2012, 15:38 #19963

    Blimey, the lengths some people will go to in order to avoid watching Arsenal this season! This is a total disgrace if ever I saw one. I would take the imitative and write to the club explaining what you did and why you did it. Tell them that you are a long-term fan and have never encouraged anyone to fleece the club or do anything to destabilise it, in fact you have used your influence to encourage fans to support the team and act responsibly. I would then write to the police and ask them for a full write-up of the incident and ask why they do not pursue proper ticket touts when they can't fail to know that this goes on right in front of their eyes every home game. No matter what the Plod say, you'll get the support of the people on here.

  110. Rory

    Mar 07, 2012, 15:38 #19962

    Mate, I feel so sorry for you. This is disgusting. Can the AST not help? (Cos if not, what are they there for? Things like this mean more to me than discussing commercial revenue and the like.) Couldn't they ask Arsenal to issue a statement, maybe in a programme saying "While AFC would like fans to use the TES, in this case we're giving his season ticket back." Surely this simple act would give them some good publicity. My Grandad (who dies about 7 weeks before I was born and therefore about 5 weeks before we did the double) got 3 season tickets in his name in the 30s. When he got to old, my dad and two mates had the tickets. This would now be theoretically illegal. When the North Bank Bond came, my dad gave up his tickets and got two bonds in my and my brothers name, though my dad paid for them. But as I spent most of the 90s travelling, my dad used the ticket he paid for but in my name. This would theoretically now be illegal. I never knew my old man was Moriaty. This is a joke. Sorry. Wrong word. Cos it ain't effing funny. If you make 1p prophet you'd deserve it. But flogging your ticket to a mate, or a mate of a mate, is what keeps the ground full, and gets the new generation. When I have kids, I'd get a couple of tickets of a mate for as a favour as my old man did for me in the 79/80 (I think) season. But this would now make me a criminal. Why? So the club I love can make an extra 10% on a ticket that's already been sold. But in all seriousness, I think a lesson here is to swap the money in private - eg the pub after, or at HT when you could just be getting the round in. BUT IT SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE LIKE THAT. My thoughts are with ya, fella. What a headline. GOONER FANZINE WRITER NICKED FOR TRYING TO HELP MATE AND KEEP GROUND FULL TO GENERATE ATMOSPHERE AT IMPORTANT CL TIE. The club sickens me at times. Please let us know what happens.

  111. CanadaGooner

    Mar 07, 2012, 15:37 #19961

    that was quite an unfortunate situation Kev. You didnt miss much. I took a long lunch break at work to watch the match and I must admit, only out of interest as the result was inevitable. we were always going to bottle it. At 3 - 0 the players felt it was already a good enough situation for them; they could see the kind headlines in the newspapers and fans patting them on the back: it's a British thing (that's exactly why England will never win the world cup again, and scotland, wales, ireland will continue to dream of qualifying). even if we made it past AC Milan, it's simply to make a few extra millions for the board, the fans end up with nothing as we were never going to win that trophy. so, as i said yesterday, provided the team takes some ego-boost from that result and carry on handing it down to clubs in the prem in our remaining 11 games, starting with that idiot (pardew) who thinks celebrating in an opposing manager's face is acceptable behaviour (class-less idiot); i will remain positive and we'll see where we get to at the end of the season CL for arsenal will remain a source of revenue ONLY for the foreseeable future, the carling and FA Cup are the trophies we should be targeting, with the donkeys we have as players, and top 4 in the league, till something changes at the club; be it replacement of the board, owner(s) or manager + a clear-out of majority of our current donkeys

  112. Fozzy

    Mar 07, 2012, 15:27 #19960

    An emergency game write-up This one's for you, Kev. As I entered Block 103 last night to holler my usual quota of support and advice from the back of the stand, I felt the feeling of optimism from all around me. There was an infectious believe from amongst the crowd that we were going to do the business last night. I just couldn't see it and kept pointing to imaginary pigs flying past. Our team selection appeared rather odd as we didn't seem to possess any midfield players. My hopes faded when I thought that having just played Liverpool, we were now going to behave like them by hoofing long balls all night long. How wrong I was. The Ox and The Song were immense and did the work of four midfielders. Rosicky was everywhere. Our defence held firm and Chesney should take a bow for some vital saves. Percy ran his arse off all night and seemed to be at the end of everything. Gervinho does tend to remind me of Ebouseless with a syrup, and it doesn't help him having the same number on his back. And Walnutt was, erm, just Walnutt really, constantly running up blind alleys and passing the ball to any random ugly git in a black shirt. I realise that the second goal was down to Walnutt, but in reality his final ball was woeful, and the attempted defensive clearance was even more woeful. Fortunately The Ox showed Walnutt how pace really frighted the ugly gits in black shirts as his run from the halfway line brought the obvious penalty which Percy put away brilliantly. An ugly git in a black shirt then missed a sitter just before the break which I thought may have been the turning point in the match. At halftime, everybody around me was rocking. The combined force of the ugly gits in black shirts went to work early in the second half by successfully crocking The Ox and Walnutt which left us more exposed. Rosicky plugged the gap and never stopped running. The well reported chance that came and went was just one of those things. We hoped that the next chance would go in but it never happened. When The Ox and Walnutt were pulled off for Chamakh and Park we knew the game was up. Still what an amazing way for me to say goodbye to CL footie at The Arse as I fear it won't happen again in my lifetime.

  113. 71 guns

    Mar 07, 2012, 15:06 #19959

    This is a disgrace and I sincerely hope common sense prevails...

  114. bigreddave

    Mar 07, 2012, 15:02 #19958

    that is utter bollocks Kev, typical of how football is in this country these days it's no fun and I don't miss going anymore for reasons just like this, sorry to hear of your ordeal chin up mate hopefully some good will come out of this and the club won't (and shouldn't) ban you.

  115. MaidenheadPete

    Mar 07, 2012, 14:55 #19957

    I have attendended all but 2 home games this season buying someone else's seat . The ground would be full of tourists if all the tickets were sold via club . Always sort out in pub before game away from prying eyes is probably the harsh lesson to be learned

  116. JMascis666

    Mar 07, 2012, 14:52 #19956

    What an absolute joke, I guess that makes me and many other football fans across the country criminals. I also occasionally speed and download the odd movie, I need to be locked up immediantly for the good of the nation.

  117. Matt

    Mar 07, 2012, 14:46 #19955

    This is ridiculous! True Arsenal fans treated this way. Still, I'm a red member, got 2 tickets in the East stand, row z, walked down to row 1 where no word of a lie hundreds of Milan fans were sitting! Hospitable or what! Milan fans with their shirts on, the lot, in the Arsenal end. Feel for you mate, outrageous what has happened to you

  118. Ronster

    Mar 07, 2012, 14:31 #19953

    The irony is that in his spare time Kevin is active behind the scenes in tandem with the various Arsenal supporters' organisations trying to improve our lot.You've got to fight this all the way Kevin and Mark's(post 22013) suggestion that you contact The Football Supporters' Federation is a good one.Chin up!

  119. Getyergooner

    Mar 07, 2012, 14:28 #19952

    I stand in the street before every match watching ticket touts ripping off the punters. I could identify every one of them and so could the police. Why are they still there? Some of them even chat to the police and have a laugh and a joke. They work in pairs and are probabley hard to catch in the act of selling overpriced tickets. Someone like you, Kev, was an easy target because you had nothing to hide and was doing something honestly and with good intentions. That is what makes this so unfair. I don't blame the police, they are doing the job the way that they are told to. I blame the way the law is applied. I am sure that while you were being arrested and processed someone was being attacked, someone was dealing drugs and someone was ripping off a punter by touting overpriced tickets.

  120. jamie hunter

    Mar 07, 2012, 14:20 #19951

    Kev, I'm a massive fan of your work but I have to say this is one of the more bizarre pieces you have written! Hopefully it will get sorted out but I do wonder how much support you will get from the club Gestapo if they have read most of your stuff!!

  121. Rob

    Mar 07, 2012, 14:18 #19950

    Sometimes this country comes across like some corrupt third world cess pit, rather than what it - ostensibly - should be. Being ever so cynical, I wonder if you were targeted for this risible 'offence' ? The Gooner is doubtless far from popular amongst the Club's hierarchy, so I shouldn't imagine there'll be too many concerns about the justice of this or otherwise amongst the likes of Gazedis and Hill-Wood. Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. If you see what I mean ?

  122. Andrew Cohen

    Mar 07, 2012, 14:06 #19949

    This reminds me of School's boards using legislation designed to prevent truancy, to attack parents who wish to take their children on holiday out of season. It's impossible to believe that the real touts aren't known to the Police. So we have to ask ourselves, is this retaliation against the fans for daring to shout about Mr Wenger and his competence to do the job? It very much looks like it. Your story simply convinces me of one thing, which is that it's time for all of us to leave the club to choke on their prawn sandwiches and an administration order. Your story is the most disgusting abuse of the criminal law that I have read since the 1980's when S15 of the Theft Act was used to prosecute a government minister who had flouted the Thatcher Governments privatisation rules, themselves designed to bribe as much of the electorate as possible. I am sick to my stomach.

  123. Jumpers

    Mar 07, 2012, 13:58 #19948

    This is outrageous! The world has gone totally mad! I support the notion that ticket touting should be stopped, but this is clearly nothing of the kind! Are the police totally stupid? Could they not see within a matter of seconds what was going on here? The ticket touts that need to be targeted are the likes of Viagogo and Get Me IN! the Secondary websites of Livenation, ticketmaster and the like, selling event tickets at massively inflated prices! But no, they seem to act with impunity. Even the football touts that stand outside all football grounds at any top game, clearly, buying and selling tickets for all to see. (Any cop can see this happening outside Arsenal Tube station of by the hot-dog stand on Benwell Road) seem to flout the law without redress. But this sort of "mates exchange" is totally different. I do hope someone with an ounce of intelligence gets to the bottom of this quickly and throws it out. Barring that, Kevin, you are known to thousands of true Arsenal fans, who I am sure would be happy to vouch for your integrity. Perhaps we should all turn up at court, should the CPS decide to take this further! Seriously I would be delighted to sign any sort of petition, should you need to organise one. But honestly what are the authorities thinking of? It's the same story, just like motoring offences and tax evasion - target the little man whilst the real criminals go around with impunity! On top of that you missed a decent game and suffered the indignity of a police cell. OUTRAGEOUS! I'm livid and can only guess how you must feel.

  124. Dorset Gonner

    Mar 07, 2012, 13:47 #19947

    Sorry to hear about your experience Kev! I agree with Bonehead plenty of touts in Gillespie Road (same faces all the time) before games and the police just stand there! There are always people outside the Em**** meeting friends etc and handing over tickets/cash and I've never seen the police stepping in before. The police probably needed to get there stats up, so as usual they pick joe on public instead of the criminals because is easier!!! Question - I've never used a tout to buy tickets, but as entry to the stadium is mainly via membership cards, I'm assuming the touts are some how obtaining paper tickets - Be interested to know what the club are doing about this?

  125. Guv

    Mar 07, 2012, 13:45 #19946

    What a total disgrace! - one has to wonder if the "club" were involved somewhere... Probably along the lines of "he is speaking the truth and it hurts , we can't have that!" - Hope this is resolved in the right manner, sadly I have my doubts..

  126. ATID

    Mar 07, 2012, 13:40 #19945

    Commiserations. Unfortunately, given what I know from another case there must be a strong possibility that the Club will ban you from attending any home game for at least 12 months and take away your season ticket. The current situation is very unfair. I believe that there are only two types of tickets for which it is a criminal offence to resell - football and Olympic. The former as a result of the hooligan issues which are long gone and the latter to sate the greed and meglamania of the IOC. What can you say about the Met that hasn't been said many times before. Humourless, politically compromised and often incompetent is only an introduction. Unfortunately, in this case they were only doing their job. What is criminal is that you see the same touts at big events across London week in week out and the police do nothing to arrest them. To ignore the hardened criminal and arrest the morally blameless is gutless. The ticket exchange has been a good development but it needs to be seriously improved. Why you can't use it up to two hours before the game is a complete mystery to me. Often it is only on the day of a game that circumstances prevent a season ticket holder attending and yet the TX for the Milan game closed at lunchtime last Friday. The cut that the Club takes each time you use the TX is also far too large. Last time I used it the Club took 12.25% of the face value of my seat as its charge which worked out at £6.86. Why should the TX fee be any more than the usual booking fee of £1.65? Can some muppet from the Club post a reply to that question? All this to watch a team that hasn't won anything for 7 years.

  127. Jeff

    Mar 07, 2012, 13:39 #19944

    Hi Kevin, I don't know you, but I'm absolutely outraged! Handcuffs, are you serious? Jesus Christ, you must be a master criminal! Seriously, every game I see touts asking for "spares" as we walk to the ground, so much so, it's become an in joke between my mates. We always say "bugger I forgot all my spare tickets" in front of the touts and usually in ear shot of the old bill. Don't know about other Gooners on here, but, is there anything we can do to help? Let's get a petition going, or write to the club individually. I for one am happy to stand up for you on this issue. Let's hope they are hoist by their own petard, in arresting the editor of online gooner. Perhaps you can use this vehicle to get actual justice. Fu**ing joke!

  128. Vip

    Mar 07, 2012, 13:34 #19943

    Kev sorry to hear about the farce you had to endure last night. If the club do not give your ST back you're more than welcome to use mine...at face value!

  129. Mick Appleton

    Mar 07, 2012, 13:27 #19942

    I propose we start a partition in support of Kevin to make it clear to the club that we not accept any form of ban on a loyal Arsenal fan who was just helping someone out. We are the life blood of our club & we will still be here long after these profiteers have moved on.

  130. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 07, 2012, 13:19 #19941

    Sorry to hear of your predicament kev these ticket police are like traffic wardens and clampers no conscience when it comes to innocent people like yourself i actually witnessed something similar last season in one of the toilet blocks outside the ground i'm sure like yourself they weren't touts just handing over their card doing someone a favor and a cop walked in and nabbed them both.The best of luck to you keep us informed.

  131. Sean Fitzgerald

    Mar 07, 2012, 13:12 #19940

    As you pointed out this is something thousands if not hundreds of thousands of football fans do up and down the country every year. In fact only this weekend just gone I couldn’t go to the Liverpool game and sold on my ticket at face value. Does that me me a criminal now? Really gutted for you Kevin I don’t think these rules / laws wills ever go away as I think that would require a modicum of common sense on the club / governments part to differentiate between a tout and real fan passing on a ticket. So I suppose the moral of this sad story is that if you are passing on a ticket for cash to another gooner then meet them in the pub beforehand. You might even get a free pint out of it.

  132. Gee

    Mar 07, 2012, 12:58 #19939

    Damage was done in the first leg. Being lauded as unlucky heroes was what spurs were labelled when they were 4-0 down to Inter and come back to 4-3 last year. Bottom line we lost, we're out, we've got an absolute mountain of injuries and face Newcastle Monday

  133. Tony Evans

    Mar 07, 2012, 12:35 #19938

    Very sorry to hear what happened to you last night Kevin, what a daft world we live in. As for the game, at half time I was thinking we could be in for a classic but we just ran out of steam. I see that Wenger was moaning after the game that he was unable to freshen things up as the legs got tired because the bench was not strong enough. Who's fault is that? How long has everyone been saying ditch the injury prone deadwood we have been carrying for years and build a proper squad of players all able to come on and do a job?

  134. Fozzy's mate

    Mar 07, 2012, 12:34 #19937

    Funny if it was not true. How can this be justified I doubt many knew this was illegal I certainly didn't. How can it be when you are seeling your right of entry that you have paid for to somebody else at face value, eg, no gain to you or loss to the club? As you say this goes on thousands of times at every game. What next you cant give it away free. I find this abhorrent and if you do suffer a loss by being charged or the club keeping your season ticket on a temporary or permanent basis I and many others I am sure qould sign any sort of protest letter to the club. If the club back this they really have stooped to an all time low!

  135. Adrian Wagenaar

    Mar 07, 2012, 12:30 #19936

    The continued "soft option" the police take with crime is the reason we cannot walk safely in some places at night. So easy and good for the crime figures to get a conviction against an easy target than hit the real culprits. I hope you can follow this up Kev with an article in the Gooner stating the whole process you have subjected to for trying to help a fellow Gooner. The club have got to be given the facts of this chapter & verse!

  136. Red Member

    Mar 07, 2012, 12:24 #19935

    the more I think of this...what are the police doing wasting their time like this???? this article should be seen and read by the club and they should intervene immediately to get this resolved. complete nonsense

  137. swissgooner

    Mar 07, 2012, 12:19 #19934

    So sorry to read this Kev. @arsenal_tickets now has over 10,000 followers on Twitter. And I know for a fact that hundreds of tickets we exchanged at FACE VALUE for last night's game. I've done what you've done many many times to help out. I know the law is the law but the Policeman could have shown COMMON SENSE. Same story with football referees. Hope the club puts it right with the right systems in place. You can count on fan support if anything goes wrong with your season ticket. I still can't believe this. I used to fly to games from Switzerland. It this had happened to me I would have lost it.... Seriously.

  138. bunch

    Mar 07, 2012, 12:11 #19932

    What an utter waste of Police time and effort. Aren't there real crimes out there enough for them to deal with?

  139. Pradeep Kachhala

    Mar 07, 2012, 12:10 #19931

    Very sorry to hear that Kev - you missed a great night - I am amazed at how many touts are outside the stadium who I have never seen arrested despite numbers of police around them. On the other hand rules are rules and unfortunately while you obviously were not doing anything underhand, they have to apply to all. Possibly try and appeal or write to the club - especially after all your hard work with the gooner magazine and the online content to see if they will put a pardon in for you. I am sure there are many who would support you - including myself.

  140. RJ

    Mar 07, 2012, 12:05 #19930

    Kevin - the more I think about this, the more outraged I am by it - I feel like making a request to the club to clarify this issue - and also complain to the police about them wasting their own time - your article is so eloquent on the stupidity of what has happened and I would like to use it as the basis of my complaint - but obviously, don't want to compromise your position - although I guess you have already gone public... so you can't be any more compromised.

  141. Terry

    Mar 07, 2012, 11:50 #19927

    With regards to your ticket Kevin quote the club T&C which state you can pass on a ticket for no more than face value to a family/friend as long as you are not making a profit if you are unable to attend.

  142. RJ

    Mar 07, 2012, 11:49 #19926

    The police wasting police time? I must have missed the Evening Standard which announced that all major crime in the capital has now been solved / no new major crime is occurring. There but for the Grace of God go all of us

  143. David Carthy

    Mar 07, 2012, 11:44 #19925

    Kevin, if I didn't know it was you I would think someone was making this up. Completely outrageous and I'm sure even the Bill don't want this sort of thing. Not withstanding the undertsandable comments of our Brandy Sipping Liberal,, I suspect you may want to renew your ticket. If there is anything we can do on your behalf to lobby the Club or whatever then let us know. We all hate touts but common sense must come into play somewhere - you weren't wearing a striey T shirt and a mask were you?!

  144. Mark

    Mar 07, 2012, 11:42 #19924

    Sorry to hear about what happened, this sort of stuff really gets under my skin and makes me feel even more disillusioned with football. Have you tried contacting the Football Supporters Federation? They campaign against injustices to fans and even if you can't get your season ticket back, they can help you get your story out there and maybe even create some publicity.

  145. Theo Jensen

    Mar 07, 2012, 11:42 #19923

    The really ridiculous thing is that there are entire websites solely dedicated to touting football tickets which appear to be legitimate but are all totally illegal. Why aren't they targeted rather than an individual, who even then is a season ticket holder rather than someone who hangs around outside the stadium for the sole purpose of touting tickets??

  146. Jekyll

    Mar 07, 2012, 11:21 #19922

    This is ridiculous, surely the fact you know the person should make all the difference in your favour. Friends of mine do this constantly, 'rent out' season tickets or silver or red membership cards. By this rationale, half the crowd at every match are there illegally. I'm afraid it's about the club wanting it done as much via their ticket exchange scheme as practically possible in order that they can have their cut, no more than that. Money overrides all.

  147. thatsimonrose

    Mar 07, 2012, 11:06 #19921

    A crazy shame that a fan helping other fans for season tickets at face value is arrested. Anyone who goes to games walks past people asking out load if "anyone needs tickets" and such like. If the Police want to arrest real ticket touts all they need to do is walk between Arsenal Station and Highbury House on matchdays, in plain clothes, and discuss these offers.

  148. Peter

    Mar 07, 2012, 11:03 #19920

    The touts continue to flout the law quite openly in front of the police,actually asking for any spare tickets.Perhaps the law does not differentiate but surely common sense can.Like you I have given my ticket to friends and family in my case when holidays or work commitments prevent me attending.I do hope the club can clearly see what has happened and intervene.I suppose anyone doing this should now be more vigilant and either exchange cash for face value either inside the ground or well away from the ground.I hate my seat being empty and find my sons especially, have an opportunity to occassional see games.It keeps their interest and when maybe in the future the club struggle to sell all seasons they will be there to attend more often.If the worst happens perhaps some sort of petition can be started.Lets hope common sense prevails.

  149. Website Editor (i.e. Kevin Whitcher)

    Mar 07, 2012, 10:56 #19919

    Oh and by the way - anyone who knows me and wants to phone me - my mobile is being held as evidence by the police and I won't get it back until my bail date in April at the earliest. So email me - I have lost your number! and I will email you back a temporary number - will get a PAYG simcard and cheap phone later today

  150. AndyL

    Mar 07, 2012, 10:54 #19918

    It would be a brave move, but do you have an option of pleading not guilty and choosing a jury trial? I doubt a jury would be willing to convict. The Ponting trial was a high-profile example of this where the jury did not convict despite all the 'facts' being against him.

  151. Red Member

    Mar 07, 2012, 10:51 #19917

    I can't understand what you have done wrong. there must have been thousands of people there last night on tickets that were not their own. by the way cashless transfers are the way to go...

  152. Der Projekt ist Kaput

    Mar 07, 2012, 10:36 #19916

    Kev - very sorry to read what happened to you - sincerely hope things turn out well for you. As for last night on the pitch: Szczesny, Koscielny, Sagna, Vermaelen and the Ox were immense – very well played lads! Very much a game of two halves – it was as if they just couldn’t keep it up after the break. When I say ‘they’ – I mean the more capable players who just couldn’t keep on carrying the mediocre passengers and inevitably succumbed to fatigue. This tiredness (perhaps even exhaustion) is due to that for every Szczesny there’s a Fabianski, Mannone or Almunia, for every Sagna there’s a Gibbs, for every Oxlade-Chamberlain there’s a Song, Diaby, Arshavin or Denilson for every Vermaelen there’s a Squillaci or Mertesacker, for every Koscielny there’s a Djourou and for every van Persie there’s a Chamakh, Gervinho, Bendtner, Vela or a Park. For every Walcott there’s a... well, perhaps a very good game in a 1:20 ratio. It’s for this reason why our better players choose to leave. Why would they want to stay? I wonder what goes through the mind of RvP when he sees someone like Chamakh come onto the field? What’s Dutch for ‘Oh, goody – now their ‘keeper’s for it!’

  153. Stevesam

    Mar 07, 2012, 10:35 #19915

    If you are a 'Corporate' ticket holder, box or Club Class, I assume you can give you seats to whoever you like. This is usually for profit in 'kind or favour'. ( solicited profit?)The moral of the story should be, if you are selling your ticket to someone else, do the cash exchange the day before or the day after and not in public view! I hope that the Club take a sympathetic view in your case and treat all Members equally.

  154. Dan h

    Mar 07, 2012, 10:33 #19914

    What a bad night you had i bet half the people that attend football regularly have done that.Once the police see money changing hands they assume it's ticket touting i bet there are many people on this site & others have done similar if so it should open a few eyes.The sad fact as well the police know the regular ticket touts anyone that has used Arsenal tube station over the years would have got used to the same faces offering 'to buy or sell'.Outrageous!

  155. Ron

    Mar 07, 2012, 10:33 #19913

    Sign of the times Kev. Pathetic, especially when down the years there were so many of us when we were at Highbury in the 70s and 80s who always used regular touts who served me well for years in getting to games and they were often more accomodating than the Club were even then. Its the touting thats got far more greedy and sinister down the years thats ruined it for them and ordinary fans doing what youve done.Arsenal hate to think a penny goes elsewhere other than to them. There are a lot like me who are now waving bye bye to going to matches anymore due to whats footballs become and nothing to do with poor teams or no trophies etc etc. Games like last night make me think ive taken a rash decision to end going now, but i wont be changing my mind. Ill follow from afar thank you. The modern day 'match day experience' doesnt quite make it for me anymore. Ive done what you have loads of times! I must have been lucky so far.

  156. james

    Mar 07, 2012, 10:28 #19912

    unbelievable! what is it coming to i ask?!!! this is ridiculous and if the club dont give you your ticket back they are very misguided about the real world. what would they prefer - any empty seat? actually, they probably wouldnt mind because the attendance figure doesnt matter to them half as much as the tickets sold figure! i genuinely am shocked by this - ive walked down gillespie road hundreds of times and seen genuine touts shouting about tickets - with police all over the place and never once seen any arrests. Sounds like some jobsworth was having a bad day and wanted an arrest at your expense

  157. BringBackDene

    Mar 07, 2012, 10:25 #19911

    Sorry Kev about your experience last night. You missed a great performance and had we have had half decent subs on the bench we could well have been in the next round. We look forward to Newcastle on monday where we SHOULD win easily but fingers crossed.

  158. Dazzer

    Mar 07, 2012, 10:23 #19910

    Another example of the intolerant world we live in disguised as tolerance. I hope a fair outcome is reached for you. It's all very petty and ridiculous. What gapped to police/people using logic and a little discretion?

  159. The Dec

    Mar 07, 2012, 10:16 #19908

    Ouch Kev, that does not sound like a good night at all, and of course in all the games i have attended i have my ticket...used only by me, and i have the Mrs ticket, used by anyone apart from the Mrs..in fact her last game to my memory was new years day 08-09 vs west ham, eduardo scored early! So i too am a criminal like you :), perhaps we need our own union??

  160. Brandy Sipping Liberal

    Mar 07, 2012, 10:14 #19907

    Hi Kevin. Gutted to hear about what happened to you, it's an outrage. Understand your ire. It's a sick world we live in mate. You inconvenienced nobody, you were helping someone out, hardly in it to make mega-bucks. The problem is AFC has lost all class as a club. From suing old Spanish ladies who have hat shops with the name 'Arsenale', this drive by the club to crackdown on swaps etc...is because the club don't want to see ANY profits for them diverted elsewhere. A tout (which you are clearly not) is seen as someone taking money from them they could be scamming from some other poor soul. I haven't attended a game for about 4 years as I am sick of what the club has become since the move to the concrete dome. Kevin do not cry for your ST. Because believe me, this summer after RVP has buggered off, and we are stuck with a team of perma-crock clowns who will be fighting for 7th place, you couldn't give an Arsenal ST away!!! Don't bother renewing, use the money for something better mate.

  161. Bonehead

    Mar 07, 2012, 10:04 #19906

    That is outrageous ! Perhaps the police should spend some time on Gillespie Road prior to games and catch some real touts ! Jokers....