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The Comeback Kings

Theo: Big improvement


After the events of last week, I can’t tell you how much of a pleasure it was to sit and watch an Arsenal home match in the flesh. Although there are – seemingly positive – developments in my case, I will save news of that for another piece, hopefully soon. Last night, I was obviously unable to use my own season ticket, but I was flooded with offers from others to use theirs, so many, many thanks to everyone who has got in touch to ensure I can attend games. Whisper it quietly, but I used someone else’s, and I will see them right for the face value of the ticket. But not outside the stadium on a matchday!

So let’s concentrate on the football and an encouraging display from Arsenal that eventually reaped its just rewards. There was a fear that some poor finishing might cost dear as the clock ran down, but pressure told and in the end, the deserved points were all claimed. Aside from the fourth league game in a row in which the team have come from behind to win, it was the third in that run where the fans have had to wait until second half injury time to see the winning goal.

Newcastle, for the most part, parked the proverbial bus. With the chances created not being converted, it was a tactic that looked good. Their goal demonstrated the problems that need working on at the back for the home side. The danger that results from possession being lost cheaply in midfield has been seen too often this campaign, and opposition players are frequently given way too much time and space to work themselves an angle and get a shot on goal. It’s an area where Arsenal used to be much stronger, and if they are to challenge for the major prizes again, they need to address this.

Fortunately, going forward, things have definitely improved in recent weeks, as confidence has returned to their game. Theo Walcott’s overall contribution has improved markedly, and Tomas Rosicky has enjoyed a bit of a purple patch. That this has been timed with discussions over a contract extension and the need to play himself into form for the Euros might have some asking questions about his motivation, when looking at his performances over 2011.

I always felt that the group of players that Arsene Wenger had collected are capable of some big results, but consistency has proved a real issue over recent campaigns, especially when big opportunities have presented themselves. I am thinking of the title and the Champions League in 2008, the Champions League in 2009 and the title in 2010. Trophies there was a genuine opportunity to win, and where the team either lost their nerve or made basic errors at times of heightened pressure. Now, with no chance of silverware in sight, the team are starting to demonstrate that, at the business end of the season, they might be able to hold their nerve and win not only the matches they should, but some they might not be expected to.

It’s a very welcome change. But why has it come about? Perhaps the fact that there are less injured players at this time. Jack Wilshere is an obvious miss, Per Mertesacker would probably have featured, but the likes of Abou Diaby and Johan Djourou have ceased to really count. Aside from that, the manager has a full compliment to choose from, and maybe just a little bit of competition for places in certain areas of the team has led to less of the seeming complacency witnessed in the past.

And of course, there is Robin van Persie. The spikiness after Vermaelen’s winner was a nod to his old indisciplined ways, but it also showed that here is a captain whose will to win is unquestionable. Hanging onto the player is not going to be easy this summer, and it may be that the club decide to pass up the transfer fee and allow him to run down his contract. Although on a business level, not a good move, I think such a policy would find favour with the majority of fans, because his contribution is so key.

Spurs and third place are a lot closer after the Gunners’ late winner, and now they have over a week to recharge their batteries, the focus now finishing in a position that avoids the risk of being eliminated in an August Champions League qualifier. Given what has gone before this season, third place would be regarded as something of a triumph, and if the captain can be retained and the squad strengthened properly and in good time over the summer, then there is the platform for pushing on in 2012-13.

Here’s hoping this good run of form is the shape of things to come, and not another blip in a topsy-turvy season.

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  1. chris dee

    May 11, 2012, 9:57 #22190

    There you have it. In one short article the lazy,complacent,lackadaisical,smug attitude that pervades the club and some supporters like the writer of this article. Yeah W B A will want to lose their last home game of the season with their manager leaving to manage England. This is our Cup Final,this is our most important game of the season.Will the players be up for it?Will the manager demand a rock solid defensive display so that even if we don't win we make sure we don't lose? Are we gonna let Spurs finish above us? Judging by games in the last few years where a little expectation was put on the team I am getting ready for another kick in the b*****ks on Sunday.

  2. Ron

    May 11, 2012, 9:40 #22187

    Wombledin is sadly, but absolutely dead on correct. The whole 'project'/stadium move is the face of the ulterior self interested designs of those at the top of the Club. The fans have been conned big time. Its quite true. Arsenal used to stand alone in terms of the Clubs class and pedigree stood astride and looked down upon the often sinister, murky world of football. Theyre now an embodiment of what its become since 1992,but especially what the 'game' has become in the last 10 years. Ive turned away from the game and i strongly believe many others are doing too.

  3. Tony Evans

    May 11, 2012, 8:52 #22184

    Wombledin - well said mate. Until we see some massive defensive improvements / signings (left back, keeper, holding midfielder and another decent centre half) we haven't got a hope in hell of winning anything - unless we get very lucky. Let's hope Steve Bould can stand up to that idealistic manager of ours and ram it home to him that defending IS important and his obsession with pretty, tippy tap football is a waste of time if you can't defend!

  4. Gunner666

    May 11, 2012, 4:49 #22182

    I'm surprised AW hasn't been in contact to make you his No2 failing that his Mystic Meg!!

  5. Joe S.

    May 11, 2012, 1:59 #22181

    And there's the rub it is all in the teams hands. One would like to think that Arsene's suprior tactical nous and motivational skills would be enough to professionally get the job done and the players not needing motivation have everything to play for. However still I'm worried and also at the same time past caring.

  6. Wombledin

    May 10, 2012, 22:56 #22176

    Its deluded Wengerphiles like you AugustusCaesar who are a joke. Wake up and smell the roses man. For the last 7 seasons we've finished top four but has that seen Wenger buy the top players we need to win top honours? Nope, he just keeps buying the same old players! Whether we finish in 3rd place this season or 5th it makes no difference to Wenger's transfer policy. As for the 25m loss of revenue, we all know what has happened to the big surpluses and revenues in the last seven years from the sale of our best players and now paying the highest ticket prices in Europe - It gets wasted by Wenger on mediocre, sicknote players like Denilson, Bendtner, Diaby, Rosicky, now Ramsey,etc, thats what. He's wasted about 200 mill in the last 7 years on such players. The return we get for the salaries paid is an absolute disgrace. The fans have been lied to and sold down the river once too often but dreamers like you with your nonsense of how M'Vila (overrated French journeyman like Gervinho) & Podolski and Wilshire are going to make so much difference next season is just so much utter blind optimism like we've all seen before the last seven years. Are any of those players defenders? We need 3 new top defenders and a top rate goalkeeper as a minimum. Our problem the last 7 years is our rubbish defence and it always will be under a coach who doesn't know how to defend to win trophies. Where are the new defensive signings? How many seasons now have the back four not had proper defensive midfielder cover? RVP is gone, forget it, he'd be mental to stay at this Club at 29 years old winning not a thing but the golden boot, even if we finish 3rd. Our best players have absolutely no faith in Wenger to bring them winners medals and trophies, that's why they keep buggering off, they know the lack of ambition is rank in the Club and it isn't going to change under the current regime. I repeat, I don't give a hoot if finish out of the top four.

  7. Greg71

    May 10, 2012, 19:17 #22164

    Lets hope that the team dont poop their pants/shorts again on sunday.We are yet again the Haarlem Globetrotters of the premier league not knowing what could happen next,playing exhibition games wowing audiences and not winning any trophies,thank heavens for Medalark van persie ! Can somebody tell me what was the thinking behind the new home shirt,oh for the days of red sock as well !

  8. Gunzilla

    May 10, 2012, 18:57 #22163

    "It was Arsenal's last punishment in the Premiership to relive in miniature the torments that have torn the title from them. Here again, in a transfixing match, was the élan in attack that could not quite atone for fragility in defence. There was delirium in the Highbury stands over an exquisite winner but the joyous pandemonium came in the visitors' corner of the stadium" The Guardian after Arsenal 2-3 Leeds,May 3 2003.

  9. fozzy's mate

    May 10, 2012, 18:49 #22162

    Simon - I enjoy your blogs, short and to the point, if until recently a declaration of love for the manager. When you said we would win the league last year at the start of the annual collapse, some pilloried you. I hope you are right re West Brom but our displays over the last 5 years and finding of ways to choke give us reason to be anxious. I find this piece somewhat smug and complacent, which is one of the problems which has seen us go through 7 trophy less seasons.

  10. Rocky RIP

    May 10, 2012, 18:11 #22161

    This Arsenal team scare most of its fans. We are just as capable of blowing a 4 goal lead a la Newcastle last season as we are of cruising to a comfortable 4-0 victory. Neither would be a huge shock. That's what worries us. Reliably unreliable. Let's just pray WBA aren't really up for it.

  11. Gare Kekeke

    May 10, 2012, 16:04 #22154

    Sunday won’t be easy by any stretch of the imagination. West Brom are playing for a top half final position and that could bring in extra funds for them in the summer. And they haven’t finished top half in the top flight for a very long time so they’ll be up for it just as we would be. Recent form suggests we would struggle to win there but we just may sneak it. But even if we get the win it shouldn’t hide the fact that there are problems that need to be addressed which I won’t go over. And we’ll see whether Wenger has the balls to put things right this summer. Don’t bank on Fulham doing us a favour either. Martin Jol may still be bitter from his sacking at The Lane but he doesn’t like Wenger either and he’d prefer to have his old club qualify for the CL rather than us. Up The Arsenal!

  12. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 10, 2012, 15:32 #22151

    You could be right simon a topsy turvy 3-2 win for us and i hope your predictions keep coming true but as we're all aware with this team anything can happen but i suspect we'll do what we've being doing for years now just enough.And thats the problem we just keep doing enough to scrape into the CL and nothing else nothing else matters but it needn't have been like that like i said before how many times have we been two or three proper players short instead of the second raters we've been stuck with how long have we been without proper defensive coaching to help us do more than just enough to help us challenge for silverware it looks like both those problems are being addressed now and that has to be welcomed in the mean time your prediction of a topsy turvy 3-2 win on sunday will be spot on and it'll be just enough.

  13. Au Revior Wenger

    May 10, 2012, 14:49 #22147

    10 years ago we were celebrating a double.Now we are fighting to finish in the top 4.Only one of todays team Sagna would get in the 2002 team.Thats how far back we have slipped.Finishing outside the top 2 for the 7th season in succession is no cause for celebration.And i think WBA will give Roy a good send off by beating us when we freeze as usual at the final hurdle.Simon your smugness is on a par with Wengers

  14. clockendpaul

    May 10, 2012, 14:41 #22146

    Think its a lottery on sunday as others have said, which arsenal team will turn up is anyones guess. Would love to get third to finish above spurs, but wherever we finish wenger has to go.

  15. Unbeaten 03/04

    May 10, 2012, 14:35 #22144

    Fair article but not for one minute I believe Hodgson will allow us to win easy and the otheing thing is why should we be in a position where we rely on the misfortune of others??!!!!

  16. smudla62

    May 10, 2012, 13:51 #22139

    Doesn't it say a lot about the consistency of this team that there is such real nervousness that we can't overhaul a mid table team like WBA with so much on the line. I mean, shoot, this is ARSENAL, supposedly a BIG CLUB in Europe. They're either overperformers, beating Manchester $hitty, or totally failing to earn their substantially higher salaries against WBA, Swansea, Blankburn, Sunderland, FREAKING NORWICH! Even with some missing parts, we're a much much higher paid club than them. We may add some great people, but Wenger needs to find out how to get them to play EVERY WEEK.

  17. AugustusCaesar

    May 10, 2012, 13:27 #22136

    Wombledin - You are an utter disgrace. Do you really think finishing outside the top 4 is going to be good for the club? How can we 'buy big and buy well' if (a) we don't have the revenue from the Champions League and (b) we become a less attractive proposition for players. Plus losing one of the best strikers in Europe becomes a nigh-on certainty if we don't secure 3rd. Even if you think this club has rested on its laurels to some degree in the last few seasons slipping out of the top 4 would not be good for the club. Especially when the competition (since the emergence of Man City) is more fierce than ever. We are already hinting at being competitive next season with the signing of Podolski and expected signing of M'Vila. A top 3 finish, new signings, Wilshere returning and hopefully securing RvPs immediate future means there should plenty to look forward to next season. So less of the doom and gloom!

  18. Der Projekt ist Kaput

    May 10, 2012, 13:23 #22135

    Frankly, I'm not surprised anymore about any of our results - win, lose or draw. Who knows what Arsenal team turns up these days. The point about the possibility of us finishing third this season is entirely due to the lack of quality currently seen of the likes of Liverpool, for example. It is foolish to think that we can exist where we are because of our recent history or because other teams do us favours. Totnumb were distracted by the possibility of losing their manager (but can still finish above us) and Chelsea hit the self-destruct button mid-season. These failings will be addressed next season. Will ours?

  19. Nick

    May 10, 2012, 13:14 #22133

    Well said Ron, your analogy comparing Arsenal to a gentlemans club is spot on, and i fear your right that unless a major earthquake hits the boardroom were set for more of the same , as an arsenal supporter not an Arsene supporter i truly hope we win on sunday as the shame of finishing below the spuds will be hard to bear, but like you if we do finish third i think think well be witnessing another groundhog day this time next year, i hope with all my heart im wrong but ive got more than a nagging feeling im not to hell with it all, COME ON YOU GUNNERS!!!!!!!!

  20. JER

    May 10, 2012, 13:10 #22132

    Sadly I fear the manager and the team will share your optimism turn it into complacency. They will be one up in stoppage time with Song, Vermaelen and Gibbs in WBA penalty area pressing for another goal when Jerome Thomas breaks away and slots the equaliser through Shezza's legs. Please let me be wrong.

  21. Alek Wlodarz

    May 10, 2012, 12:43 #22129

    good post - very good

  22. Fred the Red

    May 10, 2012, 12:40 #22128

    This article smacks of the arrogance shown by Wenger and his team this season.We just have to turn up at the Hawthorns and WBA will lay down and let us tickle their tummy.While Fulham will turn up and beat the Spuds.The way you talk Simon is that the 3pts are already in the bag.Do you know nothing about Wengers teams in the last 7 years?The first sign of pressure and we collapse.Spuds will finish 3rd and hopefully that will be a shock to the system to all those at the concrete bowl.

  23. Jekyll

    May 10, 2012, 12:33 #22126

    Over the course of the whole season, this team have drawn and lost as much as they've won. The season as a whole, and current form, do not suggest we will probably win. It feels like it's on the roll of a dice, as many of our results are due to the lack of a basic game plan. Anything can happen on Sunday.

  24. Ron

    May 10, 2012, 12:24 #22125

    Yes, they'll beat WBA. Probably more covincingly than you think Simon. Its historically a good ground for us to go to, though as a kid i recall a Cup loss there (1969 ish as i recall) and the odd narrow league reverse. A decent win will leave Mr Wenger and all of his apologists with a smile, predicting a great season next Season. I dont see that. It will be more of the same. The Club just isnt set up to raise its own bar any higher and worse, those at the top dont want it to be. They couldnt cope with the pressure of even pushing for, never mind actually being a top european Club any more than Wengers players can. The Club is a comfortable 'gentlemens Club' and the coach, players and Board all smoke the same cigars and quaff the same G and Ts. I hope they get their precious 'top 4 Cup' and 3rd place, if only to avoid being sneered at by Totts fans if they dont, but my head tells me that what Arsenal really need more is a genuine catalyst for change that will rock and splinter the floorboards of the said gents Club. Missing out seems to be the only thing that will do it as it the one thing thats close to the Clubs collective heart.

  25. RJ

    May 10, 2012, 12:21 #22124

    Simon - I like the sheer logic of your piece, but I will not feel comfortable until the final whistle is gone and your soothsaying is true. Thank you for reminding all gooners that it is in the team's hands. With our topsy turvy season, it might be the 92nd minute that we make it 3-2, with other results going agianst us 3rd would be great (if 4th is a trophy, 3rd must be a double) - CL money, maybe RVP stays, maybe M'Villa joins, maybe Bould is Assistant Manager and fixes a defence that only lacks for some organisation - and onefewer cup credit used up on the season ticket. I am already hopeful of pushing for the title next season. If we are third, and Chavs win CL - then maybe De Matteo is made their boss and will last what - 20 games?? ManUre are past it, and wiht luck Yaya will leave **itty. Game on. I wonder how long my hope will last? I HOPE that it will be intact by Sunday night. COME ON YOU GOONERS.

  26. Tony Evans

    May 10, 2012, 12:18 #22123

    You may well be right, Simon, but is this all can we aspire to now - a perennial fight for a CL spot which gets us in to a competition where we fall flat on our faces as soon as we play a proper team?

  27. Clockender78

    May 10, 2012, 12:15 #22122

    Think many fans will not share your optimism regarding Sunday Simon, based on the last four games and the season as a whole. But you will probably be right, we will beat West Brom thanks to RVP and secure third place. Major work needs to be done in the summer though, off to a good start with Podolski and seemingly M'Vila on the way. Just heard Pat Rice is leaving at the end of season, will be interesting to see who fills that position. Steve Bould would be my pick...

  28. Theo's Bikini-Line

    May 10, 2012, 12:07 #22121

    Although you're a good contributor - if a little too rose-tinted (pun unintended) for my liking - it's a bit early to be slapping yourself on the back and bragging how you were right all along, don't you think Simon? As you never tire of stating - it's a 38 game season and by my calculations there's 1 game still to be played. No-one can say with any certainty what will happen Sunday, although if the team's recent history of bottling it when the pressure is on is anything to go by, we'll most probably need both Spurs and Newcastle to slip up to achieve Wenger/The Board's/AKB's 'promised land'.

  29. Big Andy

    May 10, 2012, 11:55 #22120

    I love your optimism, but sadly I've see too many utterly ****, utterly pathetic away performances this season, so I just can't share it. Let's be honest: West Brom are crap. The have one of the worst home records in the division. And like you said, they really have nothing to play for and a manager who is about to jump ship. So it should be easy. But having watched the absolutely pathetic, gutless performances at Blackburn, Swansea, Fulham and QPR, I have no confidence that we will go to the Hawthorns and get the win that should be pretty straightforward. Just like last Saturday, this group of players have the nasty habit of just not turning up when they bitterly need to. So I'll be crossing both fingers, ****ting my pants and hoping for the best.

  30. Wombledin

    May 10, 2012, 11:31 #22119

    Whose pooping themselves? I think a lot of gooners frankly couldn't care less if we lost to West Brom and in fact rather secretly hope for it since finishing out of the top four is about the only way that Wenger might possibly get sacked or he gets the hard word to buy big and buy well. The voice of the AKB seems to be fading rapidly and God knows we've all frankly had a gutsful. Finishing 3rd just guarantees more of the same philosophy Wenger has got away with the last 7 years and counting. Nope, couldn't give a damn if we lose and finish below spurs.

  31. Judge Fred

    May 10, 2012, 11:31 #22118

    An easy 3-0 win at West Brom. Goals by Ramsey, Gervinho and Chamakh securing a comfortable 3 points for the Mighty Gunners. You know it makes sense.....

  32. HersheyPaGooner

    May 10, 2012, 11:29 #22117

    Thanks! From where I sit (or wish I could were my pants not so poopy) it feels like the end of days. WBA sending both RH and RVP off with a win and us on a spiraling path of toilet water to the depths of Liverpool and beyond. I like your analysis much better. I hope your right.

  33. mark from aylesbury

    May 10, 2012, 11:27 #22116

    Simon, I generally like your comments agree to a point about this article. Though must say that many empires have fallen due to failing to tackle issues in time. I do worry that Arsenal will be squeezed into a mediocre state until someone comes up with a new plan. For some reason we appear to have the only billionaire American who doesnt care about winning. Nor does Ivan and it appears Arsene. Leaving Usmanov who evidently does sidelined.

  34. Gary

    May 10, 2012, 11:18 #22115

    3pts out of 12.We havent won a game in the last 4.And you are confident we will beat WBA.There are no bigger bottlers than this Arsenal team.I think the most we will get is a point but the Spuds will win.And this awful season will carry on till the CL final when will all be Bayern fans.

  35. Gloucester Gooner

    May 10, 2012, 11:16 #22114

    Well said but I am worn out with this season already, and I hope this isnt the final coup de gras for us. Come on boys kick arse on Sunday.

  36. GoonerGoal!

    Mar 14, 2012, 23:31 #20296

    Something happened 30 minutes in to the Spurs game when we were 0-2 down. What it was exactly I can't say, but whatever it was, it had nothing to do with the Manager who was sat with his arms folded at the time. The whole mood change of the players was almost Spiritual, as if the spirit and attitude of the Arsenal teams of '71, '88, '98, and '04 had suddenly descended upon them, and we and they haven't looked back since. May it long continue because right now, "I'm a believer!"...

  37. Van de Ed

    Mar 14, 2012, 22:08 #20294

    @Reg, Jekyll, Kenny & Babatunde - absolutely spot on!! Next season really has got to be LAST CHANCE SALOON for Le Boss. Should we not win ANY trophy, he should be paid off, handed his P45 in May, and shoved upstairs to oversee talent recruitment. Pep should then be handed keys to the Emirates! We have been through most major "what if" scenarios (repeated season-ending injuries (check), disgruntled players not putting in a shift (check), lengthy bans (check), bad luck of the worst kind with referee decisions (check) etc, a pro sports team could possibly go through over last 6 years that we should be equipped to deal with whatever ill fortunes next season conjures to throw at us. In addition to the other deficiencies in the squad already mentioned by other posters, a seeming lack of passion/commitment repeatedly demonstrated by these players at certain points of the season is just inexcusable. The buck stops with Le Boss here. He needs to instill some fear into these players & stop showing blind loyalty to players who just don't care and/or are just not good enough!!

  38. Mike

    Mar 14, 2012, 14:41 #20285

    Babatunde - shame pal, should perhaps be on medication at this time - I for one am really happy with the performance right now - personally I think that a lot of the bottlers have been sold including Clichy, Nasri, Arshavin and maybe even Fabregas - Deadwood still to go - one or two signings (Goetze and Padolski) and the team is good. TV sprinted the whole pitch in the 95th minute to be in the opponents box - when was the last time you saw a CB do that

  39. AFCIC

    Mar 14, 2012, 13:54 #20284

    So we've won a couple of games, lets not get carried away now. 3rd place should NOT be acceptable for a club like ours, this just shows how far we've sunk struggling to finish above the spuds. We need to push on now on the back of this mini revival, make some quality signings in the summer get rid of some of the dead wood and put this club back where it belongs ... AT THE TOP OF THE TABLE!!

  40. Ron

    Mar 14, 2012, 12:15 #20282

    Sorry for saying it but the truth is that the team is now in the no real pressure zone of the Season so far as theyre concerned. Theyre out of everything,winning nothing and there are individual players contracts to be earned and negotiated. A bit of effort is now being expended where before it wasnt obviously. Its less than impressive in my view and that sqaud's still a zillion miles away from being one that will ever get close to a genuine title and CL challenge and wont beat the top teams consistently, plus those players we ve all had a go at regarding lack of effort and application need to have a good long look at themselves. All too little too late i reckon with all due respect to the awful start to the Season due to player loss.

  41. Tony Evans

    Mar 14, 2012, 12:13 #20281

    Jeff - of course we are all loving closing in on the Spuds and I am sure we are all behind the team 100% but unlike you we are looking at the bigger picture. A few good wins when the pressure is off, our worst team for 15 years (your words) and you seem to think everything is OK. Open your eyes to the last 7 years not the last 4 games.

  42. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Mar 14, 2012, 11:37 #20280

    Good to see important members of the squad showing some mongrel attitude. Van Persie has it, Vermaelen too, ditto Szczesny, and nobody should be fooled by Arteta's Mad Men smoothness - within the suave exterior lies the heart of a Basque battler.

  43. Geoff

    Mar 14, 2012, 11:36 #20279

    Nothing really changes.We have had a few good wins,but the doors of the Emirates trophy room have still not been opened.And thats how Wenger should be judged.Its now 7 years since that Vieira penalty in Cardiff.Clubs are judged on what they win not finishing 3rd or 4th.My big fear is Wenger will look at a 3rd place as he doesnt have to bring in the 4 top class players which is keeping us away form the top 2.This summer will be the same as the previous 7.And i dont think there's anyway RVP will stay i can see him going to Spain

  44. James

    Mar 14, 2012, 10:34 #20278

    Yes, we are in excellent form, but I'm afraid it's papering over the obvious cracks. How can the same players lose games that should have been won earlier in the season only turn it around now? Having to come from behind to the win the last four league games clearly highlights the quality we have shown in attack has been let down by the weaknesses in the defence. 7 years without a trophy might be acceptable at Everton but for a 'big' club like us who have been challenging and bottling it at the final hurdle is a disgrace. Every season is getting too predictable. Wenger should seriously consider his position in the summer if finishing third or fourth is going to be success.

  45. Mike

    Mar 14, 2012, 8:50 #20277

    Too all you lot saying that playing for a top three spot is below par, we all knew from the beginning of the season that we were not in the race, although it is probably the same lot who said we would be in a relegation battle ....duhhh. The team has basically done no worse than the top two teams since that poor start. And a thought from my side- this time last year everything was collapsing around us whereas this year we seem to be getting stronger as the team is more consistant with the line up - could it be that the bottlers in the team have actually been sold i.e Fabregas, Clichy, Nasri, Arsahvin - these were the senior star players last year

  46. Arsene is a liar

    Mar 14, 2012, 5:05 #20276

    The title should read: Arsenal close in on third place trophy (according to Wenger)

  47. DW Thomas

    Mar 14, 2012, 4:42 #20275

    Great win. But doesn't change anything. Now the players are talking like Wenger. Let's finish 3rd! Woopee! No trophy still. If we get Vertongen, Hazard, Gotze and M'Vila, and keep RVP, then maybe I will start to believe again. Only Wenger can convince us, but even 4th is not enough for this fan. If our goal was at least one trophy and to fight for the title all season, then 3rd or 4th would take care of itself. Losing RVP would only convince the world we are a has been club when it comes to winning things. But maybe that's all the board or Wenger wants. How long will he rest on that Invincibles season? And Rosicky is playing well because he is a good player, mature, skillful, and drives forward. Been saying that all season he should start over Ramsey, and look how we've done recently. Even Chamakh could be good with a decent run of games or 20 minutes alongside RVP more often. For every player Wenger develops, he loses one or one gets worse under his tenure. I will wait till summer transfers are done to judge the manager. If we have a repeat of last summer or something very similar, it may be time for him to go. Keep RVP, add some real quality, and get the team off and running come August. Show some intent Arsene!

  48. Gare Kekeke

    Mar 14, 2012, 4:27 #20274

    Good article Kevin. And good to see you’re still able to attend matches at the Grove. The cops can take many things away from you, but one of the things they can’t take away from you is your passion for your football club. The win was deserved and Pardew got his just deserts. The animosity between him and Wenger that has been apparent since he poured scorn our European Cup run in 2005/06 due to our lack of British players will never go away and the manner of our win would have sickened him even more. Good. So Wenger has more players to choose from now as opposed to two months ago. Big deal. The fact that we’ve started playing well and winning again because a few players have come back from injury yet again exposes the average nature of this current squad. We are a few injuries & suspensions away from the likes of Almunia, Djourou & Squllaci playing again and exposing their limitations. As others have pointed out, it’s interesting that with the pressure now off in terms of silverware, some players have all of sudden upped their games (e.g. Walcott & Rosicky) due to the forthcoming Euros and contractual situations except for Van Persie who needs no motivation to earn a new and richly deserved deal. Whether he will sign the contract that has been on offer to him since October is debatable. I’m still sceptical whether Van Persie’s long-term future is with us but needless to say it would be a massive boost if he did commit. Should Wenger take the option of allowing Van Persie to run his contract down if no new deal was signed in the hope it would be signed, then it will show yet again that Wenger still refuses to learn from his past mistakes. It didn’t work with Nasri, so why should succeed second time round? But then, I could so easily be wrong. When will Wenger learn that not all players are loyal to whichever club they are contracted to regardless of the club’s situation? I’m with many who still see that a 3rd/4th finish should not be seen as major trophy regardless of what Wenger thinks. And I fear that 4th maybe even 3rd will convince Wenger that the squad needs tweaking rather than the overhaul it badly requires. To me, this squad are not mentally designed to win trophies and the culture of ‘2nd place for the next ten years’ (as said by Wenger himself last year) is still there for all to see. And for Kronke, it’s success. No wonder his most of his sports franchises in his native US achieve so little. The board still lack ambition and hiding behind the ‘petrodollars’ of Man City & Chelsea won’t wash with me either. But I’ll still take 3rd place to avoid the August European Cup play-off. Still, up the Arsenal!

  49. Jeff

    Mar 14, 2012, 3:23 #20273

    What a bunch of whingeing tossers you lot on here are. I can't believe that after going 1 point behind the scum, you lot are still moaning. I'm no akb, but give the team some credit, jesus christ it must be dark in your collective worlds. The joy and the atmosphere at the final whistle and you still can't take any pleasure from it? Don't get it. Our worst team for fifteen years and the scums best for fifty and we're about to shut them up by finishing above them. And without a key player all season again. Man city have spent how much? they're probably gonna win fu*k all. Wouldn't want you lot anywhere near this team with your negativity and "mental strength" Grow up and support the club you profess to care about. Had enough of this site, Sticking with Arseblog from now on. Bye!

  50. simon

    Mar 13, 2012, 23:56 #20272

    We're doing better as Rosicky, Walcott and Bac are playing very well and of course RVP is still hot. Big moments and big players are what counts at this time of year and at the moment some of our's are delivering. Last night walcott truly looked like a footballer. He had a consistency of touch and control that frankly I've never seen in him before and it bodes very well. I think the Ox is helping Theo and the return of Bac has helped enormously. He and Walcott are a really partnership now and nearly all our goals have been coming down that flank of late. If we had half a bench we'd have had a real chance against Milan but let's be honest our run in is very nasty (everton and stoke away, city and the chavs at home) so overhauling spurs is gonna be really tough. Chelsea game will probably be decisive.

  51. Leyton Gooner

    Mar 13, 2012, 22:45 #20271

    Don't get me wrong I'm delighted with how the last few games have gone and would love to finish above the scum. I'll be rubbing it in to the spuds at work as much as any gooner if we manage it. However the question still remains. Why couldn't they show this much passion when there was something bigger than 3rd place to play for? The history books, and no doubt our rivals, will still say this is ANOTHER season without a trophy. If all we have to celebrate is a 3rd place finish at the end of the season then we are becoming even more like the spuds than I thought

  52. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 13, 2012, 22:27 #20270

    Once again the fools who think they support Arsenal come on here and rant over the same old sh*t...get a life and understand that coming on here will not make a blind bit of difference to what happens at our great club...so do something else with your time instead of typing the same old same old. Enjoy the resurgence whether you deem it cynical or not and shut the f*ck up.

  53. Tony

    Mar 13, 2012, 22:22 #20269

    For me, our resurgence is directly related to the return of some proper fullbacks, an increase in the Ox's workload and Rosicky buzzing around the midfield as opposed to Ramsey(RvP's class has been our only constant this season). Rosicky adds imagination and intelligence to the side and constantly looks to drive us forward. When he's not wasteful with the ball, Ramsey usually is good for an uncreative sideways or backwards pass. I'll take Tomas's experience over Ramsey's potential for the final ten matches this season, thank you very much.

  54. CanadaGooner

    Mar 13, 2012, 21:29 #20268

    The CHARADE that is the Champions League continues. Last week was Messi's 5 goal haul; today is Gomez, now on 4, with Bayern 6 - 0 up against Basel. If UEFA cant see the need to review the CL format now, then there's no hope for that tournament. The only reason teams still bother with it is the millions they get paid. The tournament is so dull (from the Man Utd V Chelsea final, to teams like Porto winning it on the back of silly draws), it takes a lot of dutch courage to watch it! So, to think this is all Arsenal plays for (top 4 finish) each season, is quite painful indeed! We should concentrate on winning the FA Cup next season and doing better in the league (hell with CL and Carling Cup).

  55. divingrooney

    Mar 13, 2012, 21:22 #20267

    Kev you summed it up perfectly this team is starting to play now there is no chance of any silverware again. --- So, the performance vs Milan was what ...? Europe is not easy, Manutd and ManCity are getting trashed in Europa league. They care about the supporters that is why they fought back at 2-0 down vs Spuds, they could have given up, hell who cares- we are not winning any silverware, lets go for summer holidays. That they are still fighting is a credit to them. I watch football for my enjoyment, trophies are an aside. Liverpool have won a trophy after spending 100mn pounds, would you swap with them?

  56. jjetplane

    Mar 13, 2012, 19:41 #20266

    No doubt about it - we are starting to play like the more gutsy team we have known down the years. Whether we are really turning corners is another matter but watching spuds-we-no-like do their customary imploding act along with Liverpool and the soon to be in tatters Citeh, there is much to grin wildly about. Personally, I think RVP will stay. He is not a young player like still super Fab, and if he casts an eye at the Nasris et al of money-first football-later careering he will know, like Dennis before him did, that football is more than a cash portfolio - its the stuff of dreams. Lets enjoy this.

  57. Peter

    Mar 13, 2012, 19:21 #20265

    Fifteen days before this game we were 2-0 down and could have been 13 points behind Spurs.We are now 1 behind.Lets give the team credit.Yes we should have won the league 1 or 2 times more together with a few cup wins.The difference between success and failure is small and if it were not for wealthy ownners most of the trophys would have been between us and Man u over the last 7 years.We can't change that but we have a nucleus of players who are as good as any in the premiership.Even when we were winning trophys we had players who many thought were not good enough.Football is frustrating and ruined many a weekend for me but look at Newcastle their fans have suffered far more over the years.I dreaded this season but now am already looking forward to the next one.With the fighting spirit the team have discovered and the great atmosphere at the ground lately I am going to enjoy this week.As I stated earlier Wenger not winning trophys is as much down to certain clubs having shed loads of money.First Chelsea now Man c can simply buy a new team if it does not work out as they both have done.We do not have that luxury.

  58. Seven Long Years

    Mar 13, 2012, 19:06 #20263

    Playing better now we are out of all trophies,Rosicky and Walcott putting a couple of good performances when their contracts are up.Can you see the connection Kev? This bunch of players asssembled by Wenger only turn up when they want to.When the pressure is on when there are trophies to be won they bottle it.As has been said earlier they are programmed just to finish top 4.If Man United finish 2nd this season Fergie will see it as failure if we finish 3rd or 4th Wenger and Gazidis will tell us it is success.If we finish top 4 it will be carry on Project Wenger spend no money and win no trophies.Wenger wqill look at it as justification of his methods.When we were one goal behind Milan who do we bring on Chamakh and Park.I rest my case

  59. RJ

    Mar 13, 2012, 19:01 #20262

    When do we get Theo signing his contract announcement? This week, anyone?

  60. fozzy's mate

    Mar 13, 2012, 18:53 #20261

    Fozzy's attempt at a bear hug after the winner last night was not pleasant. Whisper it quietly but he was sitting in someone elses season ticket seat and paid probably marginally less than face value for the pleasure. But when I looked at the table this morning it struck me how bigger gap there is between manc clubs and the rest in terms of points and games one. My major complaint over the last few years has been the lack of tempo so at last that element has returned. If we don't want a never ending version of ground hog day we must utilise the momentum to run hard into the close season, conclude our transfer business early and continue to build momentum and hit next season running. I only hope this flurry of results doesn't hoodwink OGL into believing all is well. In the cold light of day we should not have won 5 games less that manure and citeh with 10 to go. But a definite improvement which we must not fail to build upon.

  61. ebouesunderpants

    Mar 13, 2012, 18:33 #20260

    Gibbs is a major disaster waiting to happen. Ox was never given decent service from him ( unlike Sagna for Theo- and look how he flourished), in fact he made it doubly hard by running fairly aimlessly into advanced wide positions so taking Ox's space. And as for his main job( defending), well, he just doesn't! Never close enough to stop a cross, and one on one ... well, just look at their goal. We need a proper defender.

  62. Half Full

    Mar 13, 2012, 16:54 #20258

    I really question the wisdom of allowing RVP to run down his contract. It won't do much for RVP's motivation or his ability to motivate the rest of the team next season. We've been there before with Thierry and Cesc (sort of) and it doesn't work. I'd love RVP to stay and if that means spending big to strengthen the squad then we should spend big. But if he's not going to sign a new contract we should sell as soon as possible at the end of the season and invest to replace the irreplaceable as best we can.

  63. Merse69

    Mar 13, 2012, 16:46 #20257

    Wenger has pulled the team (and himself) off the ropes with a series of great performances. Experience is being added to a young team and there's real leadership and spirit to match the quality football... even the emirates is rocking! Belated commiserations to Kevin on 'ticketgate'.... no one likes touts but what happened to him at the Milan game is ridiculous (and disturbing).

  64. AugustusCaesar

    Mar 13, 2012, 16:33 #20256

    There has been a lot of cynical comments about Rosicky's form and we can only speculate as to the timing and reason for his resurgence, but I'd like to think having a run of games in his favoured position whilst fit is as good a reason for his great form as the favoured 'his contract is up at the end of the season' line. Ultimately he's playing superbly and is driving the team on and giving us the drive and penetration from the centre of the pitch we have been lacking for most of the season - and this is great news for the run-in. My only concern is that Wenger will now see the midfield, given Rosicky's improvement and especially with Wilshere returning next season, as an area he doesn't need to improve upon. My thoughts are that we could still do with one more quality, experienced player in there as it's such a crucial part of the pitch for us.

  65. johnb

    Mar 13, 2012, 16:31 #20255

    It will be interesting to see if Rosicky's good form and high workrate continues. He has secured his new contract but the details have not been disclosed. I suspect it is longer than the normal 1 year extension for over 30 year olds. The manager is praising Walcott so he can expect a bumper extension as well. Only a few weeks ago we'd all be pulling our hair out at the thought of it. I hope they will both be worth it!

  66. GoonerRon

    Mar 13, 2012, 16:29 #20254

    I think it's harsh to say Rosicky's form is linked to his contract or the Euros. I think he is a rhythmic player and playing here and there with no continuity works against him massively. It's no coincidence that his best form has come when he's had a consistent run in all competitions in his best position, injury free. His energy, verve, workrate and quality has been the key factor in our resurgence.

  67. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 13, 2012, 16:19 #20253

    I couldn't make the match gave my ticket to family member as a birthday present (hope that doesn't make me a criminal)so watched on TV great game has the team decided that they want to give us all heart attacks ? we all come on here with different opinions which were all entitled to do.But I think it would be fair to say what all any of us want is total commitment passion will to win a never say die attitude and yes even a bit of argy bargy (well done robin)no longer a push over yes there have been a lot of games where we haven't showed the above and have been push overs but lets keep the commitment going its not to much to ask for is it ? Yes there were mistakes last night and their going to have to be sorted yes they did park the bus and krull looked to be time wasting but this made the late goal all the more sweeter also not forgetting the way pardew celebrated the late winner against us when manager of west ham sweet or what i don't want to take anything away from the performance by highlighting the silly errors thats still taking place but some of the players have certainly steped up to the plate of late i personally would have gave motm to rosicky but as i was watching on tv i may have missed things but who cares we have to keep this run going right to the end of the season but please lets start finishing these teams off in normal time.

  68. Peter Wain

    Mar 13, 2012, 16:15 #20252

    Gibbs was totally to blame for the goal. His positional play is very poor in my opinion and I prefer Santos I think. Good for RVP. The time wasting by the Newcastle goal keeper was a disgrace and all RVP did was to tell him it cost them a point. I do not understand his booking.

  69. CanadaGooner

    Mar 13, 2012, 15:41 #20251

    Good notes Kev. Glad to hear you got to watch the game somehow. I still think our loss to Sunderland in the FA Cup underlines the type of squad we are/have, and the fact that we may finish this season on a high by overhauling Spurs should not mask what we are: a team that will continue to squander chances to win a trophy because they just dont know how to. I would like to see the owner(s), board and Wenger come out this Summer to declare that next season MUST end with at least 1 trophy and that is our minimum target. The current squad should we wittled down (keeping Djourou, chamakh, almunia and a few others, is simply not ideal) and 3 or 4 new players brought in (and these need to be players who have won something in the last 2 - 3 seasons and know what it feels like/how to win a trophy). Then, the likes of Gervinho, Walcott, Kos should be told this is their 'last chance saloon'! CONSISTENCY is what we need from them, if they're not happy to deliver that, they can walk away this summer too. As for Wenger, his situation should be simple: minimum 1 trophy + top 4 finish for next season or he's fired. simple as that. And targets should be set for each of the seasons left in his contract, so there is measurable improvement! Finally, as far as this current season goes, all we can hope for now, is a 3rd place finish; and I think we have no choice but to be contant with that. Let's give the entire team our 110% support for the remaining games and see if this finish to the season can boost them for a better start next season. come on you gooners!!!!!!!!!

  70. chris dee

    Mar 13, 2012, 15:18 #20250

    A comment in one of the newspapers stated 'Arsenals win marred by ugly scenes after the final whistle' Yeah right ,it really spoilt my evening seeing Arsenal players sticking for one and other and showing a bit of aggresion!

  71. Kenny

    Mar 13, 2012, 15:16 #20249

    Last season was a better season than this.We were in the top 2 all season till the last two weeks of season and finished 4th 3 pts behind 2nd place Chelsea.This year we are miles behind the top 2.And never once have we even been in title contention.Yet because of the last few weeks the AKB's would have you believe this has been a great season and Wenger has been justified.We havent played better this season.Did you ever think you would see a Swansea team pass an Arsenal team off the park?Oh but what about the bad start finishing 3rd would be a triumph say the AKB's.Who was to blame for that bad start?,Wenger thats who.Its amazing that somehow this season has been turned into success.With some deluded fools even saying if we finish in the top 4 it will be Wengers greatest achievement.Yeah right better than two doubles and an Invincible season.The reality is we have gone 7 years without a trophy and this season we were further away than ever but some Gooners live in Wengerworld and not the real world.Just finishing in the top 4 year after year is not success whatever Wenger and Gazidis keep telling us

  72. Judge Fred

    Mar 13, 2012, 15:04 #20248

    I dont think its any coincidence that The-O's performances have been better since the return of Sagna. They work well together both in defence and attack. Good to see Rosicky continuing his fine form, he provides a real rapier thrust in attack combined with some defensive solidity too. Still, I wish we would stop giving teams a head-start, it does my blood pressure no good at all. Whatever happened to comfortable 2-0 wins?

  73. Babatunde

    Mar 13, 2012, 14:44 #20246

    Well well it's all very obvious why they are performing now isn't it Kevin? Spot the pattern. Last season, all pressure off and we beat Manure 2-1 at home. Two seasons before that, with no chance of winning anything, the team go on an 11 match 'unbeaten run'. The team are a bunch of bottlers led by a spineless bottler of the highest order. It really is quite pathetic to see Arsenal fans falling over themselves because after SEVEN trophyless years, the team with a £125 mil wage bill MIGHT finish ahead of Spurs. Hilarious if it wasn't so dam pathetic. All of a sudden, Arsene Knows again eh? Shame he doesn't know how to win a thing. New contracts for Djourou and Rosicky (2 good games in 2 years). Theo will get his soon and they will be 'like new signings'. Nothing will change with the transfer policy and the sheep will renew. Repeat bollox until 2014 when this old decrepit waster finally buggers off to manage a French team hopefully. I am not fooled at all by anything. Wenger earns £7 mil a year and wins nothing. The only reason our season looks successful (relatively) is because Wenger ballsed the transfer window up so badly, that finishing 4th would look 'amazing'. If anything, the fact it's been such a struggle to get 4th is proof of what an utter incompetent Wenger truly is! 7 years trophyless and the sheep are lapping it up. This is possibly the most unambitious club in the league...

  74. Gary

    Mar 13, 2012, 14:34 #20245

    Kev you summed it up perfectly this team is starting to play now there is no chance of any silverware again.Virtually the same players who lost to Fulham Swansea and Man Utd in january and got slaughtered in Milan are now playing well.Same players same manager yet the form goes from one extreme to another.Just shows when the players want to turn up they can.The reason why then cant do it consistently is down to Wenger pampering them.Take a look at Utd their players fear the manager and turn it on season after the season.Our players dont fear Wenger.Why would they when after 4 years of rubbish Rosicky is rewarded with a new contract after just 3 good games(Walcott will be next).Would Fergie have given Rosicky a new contract?And that why Utd win trophies and we dont.Arsenal players have it cushy.Win nothing and get rewarded with £70k a week contract

  75. Frank

    Mar 13, 2012, 14:18 #20244

    If the club are really so shallow to give Walcott a new contract as they did Rosicky you really wonder where we are going.Up until the Spuds game Walcott had scored just 3 league goals that is in a side that creates tons of chances.Walcott flatters to decieve.His performance in Milan was so abysmal he was replaced by a player who had only 20 mins in the tank.Walcott has had his chances.The Ox is the future.As for Gervinho we have bought another pup from the French league to follow on from Chamakh.

  76. Tony Evans

    Mar 13, 2012, 13:49 #20243

    Glad to read that you were able to see the game last night, Kevin, despite the season ticket fiasco before the Milan match. Arsenal have hit a purple patch at last and at least we all have something to smile about now seeing the Spuds rapidly being overhauled. Defence is still going to be our achilles heal though and I do not understand Wenger on this issue. The team does have potential but unless we tighten up at the back I can only see us fighting it out each year for 3rd or 4th. Gibbs is a liability for me and Santos is better going forward than he is at defending. We are slowly improving at the back generally but there are still too many occasions when we leave gaping holes which good teams will punish. If Podolski arrives, we keep RVP and don't lose half the team to injury like we normally do then there are reasons to be optimistic for next season, especially if one or two other top players arrive as well, but then I remember we only have one decent keeper who is still learning his trade, we still have all the no-hopers on board draining the clubs resources and we are still giving away too many silly goals and my optimism evaporates again. Still I have to admit that I didn't see a top four finish as remotely possible so I am thankful we are at least still in with a shout.

  77. Dan h

    Mar 13, 2012, 13:45 #20242

    Having natural full backs back in the side is key for how we like to play pressing teams to drop deeper & deeper.Sagna coming back & playing so well has given Walcott much more scope to get at full backs & has obviously helped the fluidity in our recent displays.We got what we deserved in the end but we certainly need to put away gilt edged chances when we get them Gervinho & Rosicky both should have scored but again Rosicky turned in another very good performance.Every team is entitled to play how they want & the tactic of Krul to run down the clock ultimatly gave us the addded time to get a late winner very sweet moment!Also again a better atmosphere last night good to see the crowd were positive even when it looked like we would end up frustrated.

  78. Jekyll

    Mar 13, 2012, 13:45 #20241

    My answer to the question 'why has it come about?' would be, because they only have 3rd or 4th to play for. That's what the squad and club are geared towards. Anything more to go for and they cannot handle it. They always lose the matches that really, really count. That's the nature of AFC teams in the second half of Wenger's reign. Afraid to me this run of form just feels too late, not regarding finishing 3rd or 4th as a triumph.

  79. Ozil

    Mar 13, 2012, 13:35 #20240

    Good to see you write the editorial today. I'm glad to hear you talk about positives in your case. After what happened to you still have stomach to write about Arsenal. And you attended the match as well. Kudos.It's normal that, we aresenal supporters, support all the way and even offer you tickets. You've been treated unfairly by the men in Uniform so there should some kind of justice there for you. I enjoyed the game yesterday and I'm just appreciative of the good work the players gave us.

  80. Fozzy

    Mar 13, 2012, 13:25 #20239

    Another amazing atmosphere at The Grove last night. The Verminator's contribution in the dying moments of the match was immense with his lung busting sprint from one penalty area to the other, and his really, deeply, truly, madly wanting that goal. Kev, that merited a paragraph all on its own. Although he was obviously well knackered, he is quickly becoming Tony Adams-esque with his imperious desire and commitment. However, for me, his supreme act came after the final whistle when he went straight up to our captain and shephered him away from impending danger. As I watched the re-run on TV later, the camera that followed the players into the tunnel clearly showed Verminator letting Percy walk in front of him and thus providing a human shield from the baying Barcodes. That selfless act shows that we need to look no further for our next captain if ever Percy thinks that the grass may be greener elsewhere.

  81. kdmgooner

    Mar 13, 2012, 13:19 #20238

    A just reward last night where the away team wasting time came unstuck when the ref actually added the time being wasted back on at the end. Good that you can still get into games and another one in the eye last night for the part-time/plastic fans who leave the ground before the end. They are not fit to have a ticket.

  82. Clive the Gooner

    Mar 13, 2012, 13:18 #20237

    What has happened to Rosicky? He's like a new signing in this form, if only he had played like this before. Hopefully after such a poor start to the season we can finish strongly this year and grab third place.

  83. Mike

    Mar 13, 2012, 13:13 #20236

    "Newcastle, for the most part, parked the proverbial bus. With the chances created not being converted, it was a tactic that looked good." This makes no sense. Surely tactics only work if you stop people creating chances. If they create chances (as we did on 23 ocassions last night) you've got your tactics wrong.

  84. Stumpy Den

    Mar 13, 2012, 13:06 #20234

    What impressed me last night was the passion and fight in most of our players. It was a game they wanted to win and close the gap on the scum. A performance that brought back some good memories and a lot of pride. I hope that this continues.

  85. Reg

    Mar 13, 2012, 13:01 #20233

    How come we couldnt play like this when we were still in the 4 competitions? Only a month ago this team bottled it in Milan and Sunderland.3rd place is NOT success Kev.It is for Kroenke and Gazidis but not the fans.Still doesnt change that we have won F**k all in 7 seasons.Thats the only stat that counts.And its down to Wenger