Delighted to have been proven wrong

But were the cracks just papered over?



Delighted to have been proven wrong

RVP: What would have happened if he was crocked?


I wrote an article last summer which predicted that Arsenal would finish sixth in the league because we did not appear prepared to speculate to accumulate with the purchase of top players. I made some suggestions based on not a great deal of research, reading blogs, comments etc. of possible targets, the point being that we could afford proven players without ruining ourselves financially. Curiously, I was accused of playing too much Football Manager, which is odd, since I'd seen tons of articles where targets were suggested, but apparently list-formatting is a highly-advanced managerial technique.

Anyway, now that this season has ended, and with us in the hysterically-relieving position of third, I'd like to give my view as to why it was third place in the end and not sixth or lower. There are, I believe, three key factors:

1) The incredible form of Robin van Persie - I doubt that Wenger calculated on RvP’s completing so much as a full season, let alone his winning the Golden Boot, PFA and FWA awards! With respect to that, even with the other factors not yet mentioned, you have to consider what would have happened if his customary long-term injury had occurred, or even a short-term one, with Chamakh and Park stepping in. With us just one point clear of fourth, it's worth noting that, of our 21 league wins this season, only six of those did not see RvP on the score sheet. You could argue fairly that Walcott and Gervinho should have scored more, but each one was considered a klutz in terms of finishing before the campaign even began.

2) The weakness of the Premier League - the EPL really hasn't had such weak clubs for a good 15 years. You only have to look at what transpired in the European competitions this season to see what a slump it's in. United and City were always likely to gain first and second, but Chelsea decided to appoint a manager who made them play open and attacking football without a single in-form striker! Liverpool seemed to have everything but a decent finisher before their campaign collapsed. And, whatever the reasons, our main rivals showed relegation form while Redknapp was linked to the England job.

3) The deadline day signings - we may never know whether Wenger planned to wait until late August to finalise deals for the necessary players. It would have been an odd decision to wait, given the need for the team to gel with new players, and it does seem to have been triggered by the calamitous defeat at Old Trafford. Most of these players have given us depth and have been replacements for liabilities like Djourou, Squillaci etc., but one deserves special mention: it is incredible to think that, after selling Fabregas, statistically the world's best midfielder, the void was going to be filled by Wenger promoting Ramsey. Like a game of chess, dominance of the centre is key in football, and Arteta has commanded it valiantly throughout the season. Our win at West Brom yesterday was the first we registered in the league in which he did not play!

I am obviously delighted that we achieved third, and our club deserves no less. But I do feel the cracks have been very much papered over. I genuinely believe that without the combination of the above factors, sixth place or lower would have been about right. And, looking to the future, you'd have to say City and United are the clear top two now, while Spurs only need an out-and-out goal-scorer for a complete team, if they are a little thin. Chelsea may have been 'booming' in form because of the arrival of a new manager, but arguably the tactics of AVB distorted their true capacity as a team. Liverpool are an intractable problem - they are building a team that's more than the sum of its members, so maybe they need time to gel. Though, as they've dominated most of their games this season and again mainly lacked a finisher, they could be a threat. Newcastle may even be worth a mention, assuming they hold on to their best players.

I know we are generally limited in our transfer expenditure, but by purchasing just a few more players of the calibre of Podolski, which we do have the funds to do, we could really challenge for trophies again. RvP staying, or our getting lucky with his replacement, might help though!

I felt last summer was a make-or-break one - we could have made the right acquisitions and won the league, or not and fallen to mid-table. I now see though that speculating to accumulate can be done within our preferred price brackets of players, and such a policy is really advisable: it breeds more competition for places, our younger players can understudy real pros (à la Wilshere with Fabregas), we can be consistent when fatigue and injuries hit and the morale would inevitability surge with more success.

As it stands, though, as many are well aware, the team's depth is very thin; it lacks drive and energy in performances, is mentally weak and there are gaping deficiencies in several first eleven positions. Obviously there are concerns tactically, and many more issues that could be mentioned. But it is imperative that the lessons of previous years have been learned and that we see the right activity in the transfer market, and there's not much reason to wait. The big teams will all likely recover and strengthen from here, and, when they have, Arsenal should be ready for them.


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  1. Theo Jensen

    May 18, 2012, 22:54 #22598

    @Mike there was no implication of that at all. I didn't doubt RVP's ability or potential only that Wenger is unlikely imo to have calculated he would be that good. Even if he did that is not important as there was no back up striker to fill in and he was without a complete season in 7 years so I'd say there needs to be a concession that there was an element of luck with that factor. Nothing about that argument necessitates the consideration of the sale, to the contrary in fact the corollary would be that a back up needs to be bought (and it seems Podolski will fulfil that role).

  2. Mike

    May 18, 2012, 9:18 #22538

    Theo - just saying that you say it was lucky that RVP did not breakdown, inferring that he could do so at any time. I understand what you mean about back up, but logic then applies to say that he should be sold because he is now at maximum value and is unlikely to repeat what he did this season otherwise he will go past his seel by date

  3. Theo Jensen

    May 17, 2012, 21:56 #22520

    @Andy- is this a joke? I'm getting a little tired of explaining things to people who don't understand. Read what I said and read the comments I've made and then maybe you can justify your calling me stupid as being more than just a projection. I have dealt with everything you raised in comments and the article itself. If you still don't understand then either stop hurling the ape **** or get someone else to explain it. Geez.

  4. Theo Jensen

    May 17, 2012, 21:39 #22518

    @ Aaron, well Fridel has a year left and hasn't looked too bad to me? Assou-Ekkoto and Walker at full back, VDV in the hole and Lennon, Modric, Parker and Bale in midfield, that's as strong as any other big six team I'd say. As for centre back, even without King or Gallas they still have Bassong, Kaboul and Dawson. They could well buy Adebayor as Mancini said for FFP regulations they'll sell loaned out players to invest- maybe he's just paying lip service to that but it's possible. Anyway I think he's too inconsistent and not prolific enough to maximise them. @Mike- did you by any chance mean "Theo's"? According to the logic where I call for a contingency plan (that means a back up plan) given RVP's longstanding injury problems I don't think selling him was particulary a corollary of such an argument, do you?

  5. Andy

    May 17, 2012, 19:53 #22510

    Theo, you are so delusional that you will see a butterfly and call it a rabbit. When you write, don't just do so without vetting your own thoughts. Let's look at what you have written in the context of the reasons you were wrong: 1. Incredible form of Robin Van Persie. Believe it or not, if it wasn't Van Persie, it would have been another player in the head. Arsenal system rewards that position and you have to understand this - Henry, Adebayor and now RVP...all scored tons. Chamakh, in the early part of his debut season was scoring at a good rate before RVP came in. This point is just an attempt to cover your inept aptitude on the game. 2. Premier League is weak. Why? because Arsenal finished third? Then you are stupid enough to mention the misfortunes of Chelsea to validate your point. If you were diligent enough to think this one through further, you would have realized that Chelsea is in the finals of the Champions League, a competition that is the measure of all teams and leagues. They got there by beating Barcelona, a team regarded as the best ever. Again, no substance to your writings. 3. The third point is pointless. what is the main point? That the deadline day signings help Arsenal? That's what they are supposed to do... u think?

  6. Andrew

    May 17, 2012, 17:55 #22503

    If we buy then RvP stays. It is simple. The scary situation this year is that RvP has lost TRUST in Wenger. We do not need to spend 225-250 million. We need 2 experienced, proven players who can step in and make a difference. Spending 40-50 million is more realistic. In having these players along with RvP, Sagna, Verm, Arteta, our youngsters can grow, mature, and, more importantly, believe in our chances. I must add that I don't know where the cheifs of Arsenal FC are satisfied. If it is with a team that can compete for the top 4 then we won't buy. However, time and time again the football world are told Arsenal want to compete to win on all fronts. If that's the case we must dig into our pockets, even if only a little.

  7. Theo Jensen

    May 17, 2012, 12:40 #22487

    @Simon I think you raise two really good points there. With the first one, while he did hit an emphatic spell of form in 2011, it would have been an amazing (but unlikely) prediction that he'd reach a 79% strike record in the league the following season, that's incredible. I know Wenger compared him to Messi and Ronaldo, but they're part of two teams that are infinitely better than the ones below them. Fabregas and Nasri left so even though we were in a state of collapse, you wouldn't expect the form to consistently surge so high. That said, it was really a secondary point ultimately which was that even should that be granted as a calculation by Wenger there was no contingency plan. With your second point, I completely agree. Every season we seem to lose so many points from poor refereeing decisions- it's no wonder Wenger wants a heavily technology-monitored game really! I guess all I could say there is that it seems to happen every season so we need to make sure we beat those teams and the ref with better players! But yeah, ultimately that is a fair point and one which I forgot to mention in fact, so thanks!

  8. Bye RVP go win something your 30

    May 17, 2012, 1:48 #22450

    RVP will be leaving Arsenal if he wants to WIN ! It's simple. Arsenal have failed. I am a true Gooner a true supporter of Arsenal, fire the board and get 7 world class players in. Arsenal will need to drop 225-250M to catch up. lol it will never happen. Bye RVP go win something your 30

  9. simon

    May 16, 2012, 22:22 #22448

    one point on the rvp issue is the fact his run started last january mid way through last season. the team imploded but he didn't so he didn't explode onto the scene in august, he was already delivering. Strikers eat each other for breakfast, look at drogba and torres, cisse and ba so its no surprise chamakh's pants as soon as rvp hits form last january. Anyway, i'm with Theo sentiment wise and i don't see how we were lucky when we had zero pens at home all season and plenty of flakey offsides and point costing decisions go against us. We weren't lucky, we certainly had less luck than the spuds and miles less than the pen happy chavs and spuds.

  10. Theo Jensen

    May 16, 2012, 21:28 #22446

    I think I gave strong evidence suggesting such a surge in RvP's form was unlikely but that's a side issue really. With a pressuposition that it was planned there still was no contingency & that was the real issue. Ba/Jelavic- more could be named. I never claimed any certainty, I just said being proven finishers was preferable (not attributes of Park). Our formation places a big emphasis on the lone striker being given chances and arguably the biggest shortfall in attack this year has been the poor finishing- those players (more could have been named) were more proven in this respect than Park and RvP was without a full season in 7 years. Rooney was said to be in terrible form just before, after and during all of 2010 btw. I didn't know AVB would demote his best players, no. He and the late Spurs slump were the anomalous factors explaining the difference. I already gave tonnes of evidence citing the weakness of the league and dealt with the last minute signings issue as well. BBC pundits, well I just meant there it wasn't experts vs bloggers in a black white dichotomy and i meant the former pro players. Basically, I wasn't looking to justify my self at all, I do have a life beyond this website! I was concerned that we as fans last summer should start questioning the transfer policy more, and I've given good evidence that we were partly lucky to scrape 3rd- forget about my prediction I wish I hadn't mentioned it. The point was just that calculations may not have been made correctly in planning the last campaign and we shouldn't rest on our laurels this summer. That was all- I'm sorry such negativity has been instigated among other commenters but I really was just saying that lessons should try to be learned for the best possible outcome for our club.

  11. Passcloud

    May 16, 2012, 20:05 #22444

    Please just watch and shut up and let the manager manage his team.

  12. Red Mist

    May 16, 2012, 16:43 #22438

    Forget all this talk of Ba etc we have Podolski now relegated three times the latest with riots from the home fans, flopped so badly at Bayern Luca Toni played in front of him! remember that great Bayern side as for the international record he is known in Germany as the player who can only score against the little teams as virtually all his goals have been against the likes of Sam Marino etc good we got him early before Barca stepped in.

  13. Nick

    May 16, 2012, 11:59 #22420

    Joshua , i stand by what i said hes a gambler and he did GAMBLE on Robins fitness im not lambasting him for getting his bet right but i still think it was far too risky and had we had a proven prem striker as back up or even to play in tandem with Robin, maybe just maybe we might have won a few of those that we lost or drew because Robin wasnt quite at it on those days, i wasnt professing to "know" what Wenger was thinking i was saying that he GAMBLED on Robin staying fit and thank christ he did or where would we have been, i agree he has been unlucky with injurys in the past, but thats not the only reason a TOP team shouldnt rely on one striker for an entire season i know he brought in Park but that was quite obviously either a mistake on his part or it was a signing foisted on him by the board for financial reasons, either way its not good management by him or the board, surely you agree that had we had another man capable of weighing in with 15 or 20 goals our position would have improved dramaticly.

  14. Theo Jensen

    May 16, 2012, 11:55 #22419

    'BS' I predicted that Liverpool would be strong challengers since their form under Kenny Dalglish was equal to 2nd in the league. Chelsea had put together a decent run at the end of the season but I explained the difference which was obviously appointing a manager whose tactics and strategy were not to the Old Guard's taste. I said Tottenham would retain their key players and improve and you bet they did; they were comfortably third before the England vacancy appeared so how could that have been predicted? and said City and United would be top 1/2. Basically I haven't tried to 'justify' my self. Many people post on here and I don't know any of you! My point is that I am also an Arsenal fan and I cited three key factors for us clinching 3rd- RvP point seems invidious to many- I don't doubt the guy at all! If you read what I said including the comments I made, you'll see I argue that whether or not it was predicted he'd win FWA, PFA awards and the golden boot etc., it was still unprecedented after 7 years that he complete a full season, so given that what was plan B? Park and Chamakh to lead the line? a better replacement was needed (and to Eric, I know we have a self sustaining model read again where I acknowledge that.) Rather than just claiming the league is as strong, why not give some evidence with what happened in Europe? isn't that more objective than just saying it is? Finally, the poor start was because Wenger didn't buy until late August, which was wrong if he calculated we didn't need those players. It would better for detractors to cite why the factors I listed did not make the difference between 6th and 3rd, how without them would it have been done? The point of the article is Wenger probably didn't (and couldn't) have calculated these things in his plans and should learn from that. I'm not an AMG at all I want him to stay- I just said we should learn the lessons. Also, if you want to just slate my prediction without arguing in context, also tell me why the football pundit predictions were similarly wrong and the key difference between mine and their views. Thanks.

  15. Mike

    May 16, 2012, 9:56 #22409

    Joshua 8 - Theo 2, by Theos logic it is now time to sell RVP because he is due for injury and his luck can't last

  16. Joshua

    May 16, 2012, 9:43 #22408

    Theo… I am sorry if I offend you with my points but it really is not personal. You wrote a post and I commented on it…. I’ll be very brief as I don’t think that there’s much to say …(1) Saying that what Van P did was unprecedented isn’t saying very much… You can quote as many percentages as you like but the fact remains that Arsene Wenger, our manager, has been saying for ages that Van P is on the same level as Ronaldo and Messi. He sees Van P every day in training… you quote percentages… take a guess at who is more likely to be right. …. (2) Your quoting of names like Jelavic and Ba is even more meaningless. That Ba is good for Newcastle doesn’t mean that he’ll be good for us. Furthermore it is signings like Ba that critics of Wenger hate him for. You have no idea what Ba would do at Arsenal… I’d bet that if Chamack had gone to Sunderland and scored goals in a different system under a different manager you’d be quoting him too. Look at the grief Wenger is getting for signing Gervinho! I also find it funny that you say that Torres was massively overpriced and has been out of form for a year… how many players have periods of “bad form” that last over a year?? How can he be overpriced if the problem with him merely a problem of “form”? ….. (3) Finally your three reasons are nonsensical (no offence I just mean that they make no sense) within the context of your own post. You knew AVB was coach of Chelsea when you made your predictions, didn’t you? What was so different between the league now and at the beginning of the season when you made your prediction?… what single event made the league suddenly weaker? The deadline day signings were roundly panned at the time they were made and now you want to claim them as reason why your predictions proved so wrong? Really?… … let me also add that I’m not a blogger, I occasionally comment on what is written on this site. I claim no special knowledge and I would never predict how a season may or may not unfold, as I think that it’s a mugs game… there are too many unpredictable factors for such an exercise to be worth very much, if anything and I would hope that if I’m wrong I would openly admit it too…. And let me add, as well, that I have no time for the BBC pundits any more than I have for the any other so-called experts. Lineker I will not comment on. Shearer couldn’t hack it as a manager and Lawrenson is a clown and they are among the better ones there… if those guys are your benchmark then it is hardly surprising that your prediction was wrong. Have a good day.

  17. GoonerRon

    May 16, 2012, 9:28 #22407

    Theo - You mention Ba could have been an option? Could you imagine the stick Wenger would have got if he had bought a plyer who failed a medical the season before, on a free transfer, from a club who got relegated?! I may be speculating, but I suspect his and the boards ambition may have been questionned. Obviously, it's an easy one to pick out with the beautiful luxury of 9 month's hindsight. Joe S - Nasri's barbed comments failed to comment on one thing. He said he went to win trophies and not for the money - obviously doubling his salary was not something he angled for no? Would he have gone to Citeh in his noble quest for trophies for less money that we were offering him? Thought not.

  18. Eric

    May 16, 2012, 8:42 #22405

    This article is a very long winded way of saying "I don't know what I am talking about". All boils down to the same whinger mantra - "Spend More Money", without any understanding of the economics of the situation.

  19. Arsene Whinger

    May 16, 2012, 6:38 #22404

    Whatever the factors, the table doesn't lie and we are the third best team in England having never competed for any trophy . But is that good enough for Arsenal FC? Especially after seven trophyless seasons. Make up your minds.

  20. Joe S.

    May 16, 2012, 4:44 #22403

    Although he is an insignificant little bit player who will probably become further margenalised as City's ambitions grow I actually liked Sami Nasri's swipe at Arsenal and it's prevailing club culture of ever lowering expectations. Winners can laugh of course however I think he makes a valid point which is in line with what most objective Gooner fans believe. Also interesting was a quote from the Mirror on the type of manager Liverpool's owners are looking for; " Long term the owners want an energetic manager with fresh ideas to create value within a young, ambitious squad by developing and enhancing unseen qualities." I wonder if Arsene Wegner any longer fits this description.

  21. Gare Kekeke

    May 16, 2012, 4:04 #22402

    I have to hold my hands up. I thought we would finish 5th. But given the start we made, credit to all involved for the impressive final position of 3rd. And I’ve got no problem in saying that too. Does it paper over cracks? A few. Certainly we have been Robin reliant (pun intended!) when the supporting cast were inconsistent. To concede more than 40 league goals for the third season running is both damning and worrying. To me, this suggests that whatever defensive strategy Wenger has implemented, too often it’s not effective and the basic errors of our backline is still apparent as it has been since Campbell’s first departure in 2006. Hopefully Steve Bould would be allowed to introduce solidity in this area. Whereas Messrs Jenkinson, Santos & Mertesacker are excused as all of them were in a period of adaptation, the same cannot be said about some of their defensive teammates, especially Djourou whose own decline since the 2011 League Cup final has shown little or no sign of arrest. And the decision by Wenger to reward him with a lucrative contract extension last winter, baffling to say the least. Despite Song’s improvement as a footballer, his assists shouldn’t fool anyone. His forward forays at times leave an overworked defence exposed. Some may argue that the attitude of the players for certain games is wrong too, e.g. Wigan at home, QPR, Fulham & Swansea away. In terms of our bad start, many at the club must shoulder the blame. The board; too wrapped up in the self-sustaining model (not that I’m against it) and almost reluctant to realise an increasing number of fans were disillusioned with the running of the club. The songs aimed at them & Wenger in the last two games of last season should have been heeded not ignored. The players; for allowing their post-League Cup final hangover which ruined the remainder of 2010/11 to continue until last October. So much for mental strength there. And Wenger; for failing to realise last summer that his so-called greatest ever squad was in need of an overhaul (still is) and failing to acknowledge that there were disillusioned members in it. Wenger’s notion that players must be loyal to whichever club they are contracted to is admirable but sadly dated. Money talks. Finally, I think Wenger expected a full season from RVP as he expects from all of his players. Personally, I think his only surprise is when a player is out injured for more than a month as he seems to think that unless it’s serious (think Ramsey, Eduardo & Diaby) then they should be back playing again real soon. Rosicky in 2008-9 was baffling but Vermaelen, Van Persie & more recently Wilshire & Diaby weren’t. Lessons have to be learnt in so many ways otherwise it will be Groundhog Day. And our rivals in the top eight circle would look to improve too so Wenger can’t rest on his laurels. Up The Arsenal!

  22. BS

    May 16, 2012, 4:03 #22401

    Yeah, the first two "excuses" are nothing but. If the Premier League is so weak, why didn't you predict it? Was it a different league you were analysing early in the season? Did it magically change before your eyes? Either you got your analysis of our capabilities wrong, or you got your analysis of the ENTIRE league wrong. Either way, a poor indictment on you abilities And what true Arsenal fan didn't actually believe that RVP is one of the most talented players ever to play for this team? This guy's technique and invention are up there with St. Denis. Which geriatric geezer bought the lad again?

  23. Theo Jensen

    May 16, 2012, 1:09 #22400

    I love the vindication I can get from denoting that in all our debates you leave so much material untouched after I've addressed it. I'll deal mainly with the points you felt comfortable enough to deal with in any case: It was unprecedented for him to be personally so prolific. In 2009-10 his strike rate was 50%. In 2010-11 it was 66% and surged to an incredible 79% this season. A key consideration you have to make is that he had both Nasri and Fabregas behind him. Fabregas, who all the play revolved around, was statistically the world's best midfielder: from 2006-11 he was Europe's LEADING creator of chances, even beating Xavi! RvP even said him self that he would have been upset to see him leave as their playing relationship was so fundamental to his game. Losing your main player whom the play revolved around completely especially with our style and his role as a playmaker, you probably wouldn't expect RvP's strike rate to surge like that. Let's say Wenger did though, it was still UNPRECEDENTED that he complete a full season- a 7 year trend suggests considerations should be made. And a back up obviously wouldn't be as good with our 4-3-3 system! Even 10 goals a season might have been acceptable, but such players aren't available? Ba? Jelavic? There's no guarantee, I never said otherwise, but proven players tend to be better bets. Torres had been out of form for a year and a half and Dzeko was also massively overpriced- don't just cite the kamikaze spenders, such sensationalism is highly misleading. I never said the team has 'no' drive or mental strength. Some performances have been emphatic, but it's about consistency in those areas which we have lacked. I said Dortmund had a bad European campaign- no mention was made of the Bundesliga... You cited Liverpool as a strong team before but have now changed your mind? I never advised we follow their strategy- not even remotely close. It's so frustrating that you make endless assertions which I have to dispel time and again... Re: AVB- a false dichotomy. I never suggested he should replace Wenger. I gave three key reasons and you haven't debunked them at all it's just been complete misunderstanding and assertion. The thing is Josh I wish you'd stop trolling now, because all I'm getting is assertions and opinions. YOU too are 'just' a blogger, I at least am better qualified than you in this regard, not from watching Sky- I gave my reason but the sensationalist tabloid writer in you wouldn't have it. You've made out like it's you at the head of the 'experts' and me leading the bloggers, well the BBC pundits didn't seem to disagree with me much. Why don't you subject someone else to a long-winded rant?

  24. GoonerRon

    May 15, 2012, 21:56 #22396

    It's funny hearing people attempt to justify their poor and negative predictions by saying everything went our way. Yes, RVP remained fit all season but there's absolutely no balance to that by saying Wilshere was out all season and every full back was injured for at least 3 months. The fact is the league table doesn't lie so we deserve to be third. Yes, some teams under performed but on the flip side, if we are as bad as some people on here say we are, surely these other teams should have taken advantage and finished above us? Why don't people have a bit of humility and admit that by saying 'we will be in a relegation fight, will finish mid table or have zero chance of the top 4' was just wrong.

  25. Ando

    May 15, 2012, 20:56 #22395

    ''Rvp staying'' yes of course and Pamela Anderson will suck my k&%b tonight (that's more likely than RvP staying) and Lucas Podolski will score as many goals as RvP next season-NOT

  26. Joshua

    May 15, 2012, 20:48 #22394

    Theo... I'm sorry but you have no way of knowing what Wenger thought Van P was capable of doing except by looking at what Wenger has consistently said about Van P. You can't just expect people to just accept your "JUDGEMENT". Wasn't Wenger was mentioning Van Persie in the same class as Messi and Ronaldo? Some folks were sniggering at the time but now they claim that he had no right to expect what he'd been saying all along! You can go and check google, the quotes are there. And why is 30 goals in a season unprecedented for Van P? Is 30 goals too much? has no striker ever scored 30 goals? Also your comparisons with previous seasons has one almighty flaw in it... Van P only become the main man in our attack when Ade left! Whatever he did in previous seasons he wasn't a) the main man (b) for most of that time he was either a wide player or second striker and (c) never played a full season. As for the contingency thingy... what contingency would you expect? How many teams have two 30 goal- a- season players? How easy are even 20 goal a season strikers to find and how much do they normally cost? I'm sorry but some of what you write has a tinge of "fantasy football" about it... you appear to think that you can go out and buy whomever and they come in and score loads of goals for you as if you are picking up a loaf of bread from Tesco. The right player has to be available and at the top level there are not that many players who can deliver... that why City are after Van P and not Papiss MKII. That's before you factor in that players are human beings and human beings are fallible... City bought Dzeko and Adebayor for near enough 60m and till Dzeko scored on Sunday his contribution this season was negligible. Torres cost Chelsea all of 50m on his own and he has same number of EPL goals as Vermaelen! As for the Dortmund thing are you now suggesting that every league in Europe is then weak? How does that work? If Dortmund who just thrashed Bayern in the German Cup in addition to winning the league could struggle in a group that Arsenal won how can you then seriously claim that Arsenal lack energy and drive is mentally weak and is thin in depth? How exactly does what you say square with the fact that Arsenal went from 17th to 3rd? How did it happen that we could climb so high when the media and bloggers like you had written the team off... when the team is mentally weak and has no drive? We played Man City off the park at the Grove... was that the performance of a team with no drive energy or mental strength? How many games did we win in the dying minutes this season... that too is evidence of mental weakness, is it?? It's funny how some people will make excuses for every single team in the world, (Chelsea... AVB did it. Tottenham... unlucky. Dortmund... didn't play well in Europe) except for Arsenal! Let's be clear here... the strategy you are pushing is the strategy that the likes of Liverpool have embraced and it has gotten them nowhere. It's funny now how everyone is blaming AVB for destroying Chelsea when at the beginning of the season a lot of our fans wanted him to replace Wenger! No one will admit it now but loads and loads of blogs had people telling us that Wenger was past it and that it was time for a thrusting young buck like AVB who had won trophies by the bucket load. Now AVB is the cause of Chelsea's down fall? And so it goes on and on. Everyone is an expert... as if all it takes is watching football on Sky sports and spouting a load of names.............. Theo, the bottom line here is that your prediction was very wrong... and let's not pretend that you were suggesting that Arsenal will get 6th but could get 3rd... you were saying that the very BEST Arsenal could expect to do was 6th... in other words if everything went swimmingly Arsenal could do no better than 6th! We had injuries galore, we had our worst start in over 50 years, we were 17th at one point having lost 4 of our first 7 games, we lost Jack for the entire season and had Bac break his leg twice ... AND WE STILL GOT THIRD! And you say that the team lacks mental strength and drive? Really???

  27. Joshua

    May 15, 2012, 19:18 #22393

    Nick... I don't know what Wenger "knew" and neither do you, I'd guess, but then again I don't know you so it is entirely possible that you can read minds. I cannot read minds myself which is why I honestly prefer to concentrate on the facts. It is a FACT that Arsene Wenger has been saying that Robin Van Persie is a world class footballer for ages. When Robin was being criticised for not scoring more goals at the last World Cup it was Wenger who pointed out that Robin basically sacrificed himself for the Dutch team with his selfless play as a lone striker. It was Wenger who pointed out that Van Persie's injuries were down to pure misfortune as much as anything else, in other words, that the myth of him being injury-prone wasn't entirely correct. It was Wenger who was saying all this when some very vocal Arsenal bloggers were calling for Van Persie to be offloaded from Arsenal as he was a crock who never played enough games. Given those facts it does seem odd to me that people are now saying that Wenger was wrong to expect what actually happened to happen given that he has been saying that it would happen! Van Persie didn't get injured and all through the season pundits, bloggers and comment-ers were saying ... "He'll get injured soon". And Van Persie still didn't get injured. i don't recall him having so much as a niggle. So by your reckoning Wenger should be lambasted when he is proved right... Why should this be the case? What is even funnier is that people who now want to say that Wenger was merely lucky were some of those asking for us to sell Van P not that long ago! It's a crazy world, I tell you. As for Park, Chamakh, Walcott and all the others... that is a hypothetical question that applies as much to Man City as it does to us. Would City be Champions if Kompany or Silva got crocked? Would ManU be second if Rooney got crocked? What would happen to Tottenham if Bale or Adebayor got crocked? We had no Jack Wilshere, no Diaby and at one point we had zero full backs and Sagna even broke his leg twice!!!... that's not enough injuries for some of you?

  28. Theo Jensen

    May 15, 2012, 18:18 #22392

    Firstly thanks to all the positive comments I agree with much of what you have said. But as for Joshua here, well, what can I say? I'll just number the factors I listed in response to your assertions: 1) I never doubted the signing or class of RVP, only that Wenger clearly can't have been calculating that he would have been THAT good this season, (potential for injury aside) since such performance was UNPRECENTED. Before this season RvP's strike rate was less than 50% overall. In the league this year he registered a strike rate of 79%. Let's say Wenger did plan that- would that have been wise given his long term injury problems? What was the CONTINGENCY plan if the UNPRECENTED 'calculation' was realized? We have problems every season with injuries and the squad needs better depth for that (and possibly a better medical team). Much as I love Wilshere as do others, his combined goals and assissts didn't reach double figures last season &, regardless of that, he shouldn't at this early stage of his career carry the pressure of being expected to have all the play revolve around him. Diaby? Really!? 2) Dortmund were terrible in Europe this year, they couldn't even pass the group stages with Marseille and Olympiakos as their opponents. Chelsea? That is a laughable argument! Outplayed Barcelona did they? Barca have never missed so many chances and if you think skill was more important than luck there that says it all really. Even if I granted you that was indicative- it is meaningless as for most of the season they were under AVB who was eventually sacked due to their poor performances, which was my original point anyway. '3 years ago' 3 of the 4 CL semi finalists were English clubs, this year only one passed the last 16. Use that as a barometer and not just an opinion- 'this team spent money'- right... It's telling as well that you don't mention City or United properly- knocked out of Europe by the powerhouse teams Basel, Athletic Bilbao and Sporting Lisbon but each 19 points clear of third. Liverpool spent their way to 8th, 37 points behind the top. And Spurs did indeed play well so for us they collapsed while Redknapp was linked to the England job. 3) My point was that Wenger probably either wanted to get players last minute or panic-bought. In the case of the former, it gave us a calamitous campaign start. With the latter, he was wrong in calculating such signings were unnecessary. If you reply then feel free to give me more than a rant littered with misunderstanding and assertions. By the way, my brother was a semi-pro footballer and is a level three coach, he trained me for years and I played club level football even getting a county trial at one point. Not that it is important as I think people of all levels make very interesting points and often 'mere' bloggers say things that match up perfectly to the experts, so I welcome all types of view, and never claimed exclusively insightful views. Though you might be interested to know that few BBC pundits predicted Arsenal would finish 4th let alone 3rd so maybe you're not carrying the banner of expertise after all?

  29. Nick

    May 15, 2012, 17:49 #22387

    So Joshua, you think Wenger knew that Robin would stay fit for an entire season ,something hes never done before ?, and therefore decided to buy Park unproven and unknown , knowing that hed be able to step up if the main man got crocked ?, instead of doing the sensible thing and spending some of the legendary "war chest" on a proven striker and dont tell me they arnt out there or are too expensive , Dempseys a bloody good player got over 20 goals this season and would have bitten wengers arm off too play for a club like arsenal, and would not have made the eyes water with the transfer fee or wage demands, i stand by what ive said Wengers a gambler but he bets on a pair too often for my liking, im not saying third considering the start, isnt a bloody good achievement, but if wed handled our summer in an even remotely professional and AMBITIOUS way then it could quite easily have been a much much better one and as the man at the helm the buck stops with Mr wenger

  30. bah!

    May 15, 2012, 17:04 #22384

    You've been proved wrong. So why does anybody ever bother listening to you now? This season proved one thing: thank God Arsenal have Wenger at the helm, and not you bloggers, pundits etc... So people, let's just SHUT THE F... UP and leave the decicions to Wenger.

  31. Gee

    May 15, 2012, 16:49 #22383

    As I've said previously we need to CLEANSE THE SQUAD. There is a very high number of players that could be released and it would not affect the squad in anyway what so ever as the players DO NOT CONTRIBUTE A THING. Almunia Squillaci Denilson Diaby Bendtner Arshavin Vela Park Chamakh That's 9 players without breaking a sweat that need to be cleaned out. Then we can start talking about the likes of Djourou, Walcott, Song etc and see if we can sell them to get in some better quality. Bottom line is there is too much that weighs down the wage bill that we get absolutely zero return on.

  32. Ron

    May 15, 2012, 16:39 #22381

    Arsenal finished 3rd because those that count around them blew it big time this season ie Tottenham and Chelsea. I dont count Liverpool as theyre so poor and arent ever at the races these days. Add to this a strong dose of good fortune in games we won but didnt deserve to in the Clubs so called good spell .In other words Wenger got out of gaol. Joshua, you can wax lyrical about the strength of the league, but many match going fans feel that the standard has plummeted since 2009. I agree with that viewpoint. The defending is in fact comic book from the top to bottom. Its a disgrace, save largely for Man C's defence. Scoring goals in that league just gets easier in fact. As for Arsenal,, you can carry on excuse making for them. Again, many of us older fans feel that the team is about on par with what it was in the mid 60s, the defending is maybe even worse in fact. Billy McCullough,Ian Ure, Jimmy MacGill and Jim Furnell all is forgiven! Arsenal are a good 3rd though. Its all the Club wants. Its all its set up for and its best asset is its well honed bull---t machine. Bye Bye RVP. To be honest, id sell you today for anything over 25 K, but youre efforts have been commendable (we ve waited long enough though).

  33. matt1202

    May 15, 2012, 16:25 #22380

    Spot on from Joshua. What pointless logic. Wenger bought Van Persie and made him the player who has spearheaded our challenge all season. The cheek of him staying fit and scoring goals to help his team out! What if Wilshere had been fit all season and we'd avoided that horrendous run of injuries to anyone in the squad who could do a remote impersonation of a full back? Maybe we'd have finished closer to the top 2. But these hypotheticals are conveniently ignored for sole focus on the negatives of what if RVP had suffered an injury, other teams had been better etc. Spurs had the rub of the green with injuries this season - what if 2 of Bale, Van der Vaart, Adebayor, Modric, Parker had been out for a couple of months each? Gap may have been more than 1 point. But of course its hypothetical... Another example of how even after achieving a form of 'success' in finishing 3rd after all this season has thrown up, plenty of Arsenal fans on here want to twist anything possible into a negative.

  34. CanadaGooner

    May 15, 2012, 16:23 #22379

    what would have happened if he was crocked? same thing that happened all those 7 years or so that he was crocked. Arsenal finishing the season without a trophy. We have a team that's very capable of finishing in the top 4; afterall it only took 70 points to finish 3rd. Liverpool with 52 points were still good enough to get to the final of the FA Cup + win the Carling cup. What a strong league we have in England.

  35. Aaron

    May 15, 2012, 16:14 #22378

    We did paper over the cracks but signing Podolski and having M'Vila lined up in May is proactive and very good progress from a year ago. The key will be hanging onto RVP. "Spurs only need an out-and-out goal-scorer for a complete team" is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever heard, even the most ardant Tottenham fan would not argue that. They will struggle to sign as an impactful striker as Adebayor was for them this year. Friedel is in fast decline, they haven't got decent centre halfs (Gallas is getting very old, King is finished). They'll struggle to hold onto Modric and Bale. Even at their best this year they weren't close to complete

  36. JJBergkamp

    May 15, 2012, 15:23 #22376

    Completely agree with Joshua! Well said mate, i think you will find alot of contributors on here struggle to admit when that are WRONG. Even when they are they will find a way to bend the facts to try and help them out! To claim the league is weak is simply proposterous and shows what an ignoramous this editor is! It still baffles me how little knoweldge of football holistically that many of the guys who write on here have, they read one to many internet blogs by tribal fans...and think football started 20 years ago!

  37. ken

    May 15, 2012, 15:12 #22375

    Fact Chelsea will be pride of london soon, Liverpool WON the Carling cup, Man city have WON the EPL. What as ARSENAL WON how many years now. KEEP IT UP MR WENGER.

  38. Tom Barry

    May 15, 2012, 14:57 #22374

    The post by Joshua is on the money. He should be writing a blog, not commenting.

  39. TT

    May 15, 2012, 14:53 #22373

    We will never know what went wrong last pre-season or whose fault it really was (if anyone's), but a good pre-season is essential to having a well-organized team. Many managers have said that you need this time to work on tactics and team, because you just have too many games through the season to do it once you get going. Until we can get closer to the top two financially by renegotiating or sponsorship contracts, we are going to have to work on a team approach and being better organized than other teams, like Greece in the European Championships, when they won it. It can be done, but it needs an excellent pre-season and a good team spirit. I am optimistic for next year.

  40. Angry & Frustrated

    May 15, 2012, 14:46 #22372

    We finished third, and the table doesn't lie or so the saying goes. Scratch deeper though and surely any sane person whether they are Wenger fans or not, would have too agree a good slice of fortune came Wenger's way this season. As many have already commented RVP's exceptional injury free season was a freakish event. Whether he leaves or stays, it would not surprise me in the least were each season from now until the end of his career, to go back to him missing vast chunks of future campaigns as that is what his track record shows will happen. That is why in this particular season Wenger got very lucky with his one and only world class striker remaining fit. Had his injury jinx struck this season who on our books would have filled the void? I know a counter argument to this would be Wenger was very unlucky re Wilshire but to me the game is all about putting the ball in the net, and preventing the other team doing the same. Hence even if Wiltshire had been available all season it would still not have resolved the problem of who would have scored all of RVP's goals? The second reason I believe Wenger got lucky was the date of the Old Traford humiliation. Had that fixture taken place a couple of days after the transfer window closed instead of a couple of days before, would that last minute panic buying have ever happened? My belief is it would not have, and that Arteta would have remained an Everton player. Thirdly all the speculation re the England job without question affected Tottenham's form enabling us to pip them to third. In addition had AVB's time at Chelsea not been so confrontational with the old guard who clearly think that they and they alone should run the club then things may have been different. They clearly undermined their own managers future prospects by not giving 100% and as soon as they got what they wanted the real Chelsea reemerged, as shown by the results post AVB. That in my humble opinion is why we finished above Chelsea and this scenario is unlikely to happen again next season. Finally Wenger got lucky because with our shambolic defending as a team where currently no strategy appears to be in place when we don't have the ball, it's a minor miracle we only conceded 49, which in itself is the worst against figure in something like 30 years. Me thinks more of the same next season and the season after that, until hopefully Wenger leaves.

  41. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 15, 2012, 14:30 #22370

    Theo i doubt any of us calculated RVP completing a season without injury if he had got injured maybe someone else would have stepped up to the mark i doubt it but just glad we didn't have to find out.Its hard to know if other clubs were weaker (with the exception of man u who probably weren't as strong as they usually are)i think its more a case of certain other clubs bottling and going into free fall for reasons you mentioned although man u did a bit of bottling themselves and it cost them the title (everton).We have been papering over the cracks for quite a few seasons now with every one seemingly make or break your right about the deficiencies,performances,mentality etc, etc,but yet again we're asking will lessons be learnt ? yet again we'll have to wait and see. Good piece.

  42. Joshua

    May 15, 2012, 14:06 #22369

    I'm sorry to have to say this to you but this article is nothing more than you covering up for what now looks a misguided opinion. You say we got 3rd instead of 6th because of Van Persie's form as if Van P dropped out of the sky and landed in the Arsenal team. Someone scouted Van P, Someone took a gamble on a player who was gifted but also troublesome. Someone stood by him when he was always injured. Someone decided to play him at the apex of the Arsenal attack. Guess who did all that? Van Persie's form is the reward for the foresight of Arsenal's manager... a quality some of you deride with a regularity that I find baffling but that's the internet for you, I guess. The second thing to point out here is that Arsenal played all of this season with no contribution from either Jack wilshere or Diaby... So when you harp on about how Van P's fitness and form helped us may be you also need to acknowledge the horrendous luck we've had with injuries. It wasn't all positive news on the injury front, far from it. Your second point is quite frankly nonsense. How weak is the premier league really? Arsenal beat the double Champions of Germany. Chelsea beat Barcelona and are in final of the ECL. Man City have spent more money in assembling a team than has ever been attempted in the history of the game... Chelsea spent 75 million on just two players last season! The EPL is no weaker than it was 3 years ago. To suggest that Arsenal only got third because the rest are rubbish is not only not backed up by the facts but insults an impressive achievement. Tottenham played some great football. Nerwcastle purchased very wisely and looked good value. Liverpool spent loads of money... why is the league weaker? Because your prediction was wrong? On your third point, again, I haver to say that it reeks of trying to justify yourself. If you will never know whether Wenger just went out and bought a whole load of players why speculate? Are you saying that Wenger had never seen Arteta play? That he had no idea what Benayoun could do?... Even Park at 2m was a gamble well worth taking. How many managers go blindly into the transfer market?... and what are the chances that a man like Wenger would just take a punt on any old bod! For me your post should simply read.. "I got it WRONG". There's no great shame in getting it wrong either. You are a fan not a proffessional and you are not a manager. You like the game and you comment on it and that is fair and understandable but you have no greater insight than anyone else. Such humility is what a lot bloggers actually need. Whether that humility will ever become common place I very much doubt.

  43. Peter

    May 15, 2012, 13:44 #22367

    We are heading for mid-table mediocrity, we have reached the pinnacle of what we can achieve with Wenger Phase II, it is all downhill (and down the table) from here. All this crap talked about RVP signing subject to this condition and that condition. Since when did a club agree a contract with a player that provided assurances or guarantees that OTHER players are brought in? I'd like to see any evidence that such clauses have ever gone in to a Premier League player's contract. RVP must know at this stage that Wenger has no intention of splashing the cash on major signings, if he doesn't then he is naive beyond belief. Verbals from Wenger mean nothing, especially as he is delusional and stuck in a time-warp. If RVP signs he will do so knowing that he will be carrying a squad full of mediocre players next season.....is he really going to sing in these circumstances? No. If RVP believes Steve Bould can work miracles with the current squad, there may be a chance he will sign. Podolski was bought because otherwise Arsenal would be desperate when RVP leaves and their negotiating position on buying another striker would be terrible. At the same time, Podolski has been tricked. He has pushed for an Arsenal move because he thinks he'll be playing alongside poss. the world's finest striker next season. Nope, it's a case of you ARE now our striker, me old mate. Wenger's only hope is to change his ways and bring in proven talent from the Premier League. Just look at Arteta. He has been so good because he is PROVEN in the Premier League. It's not effin' rocket science! Overall, I can't bear to think about another season with a man who is such a bad loser, is so incredibly disrespectful to other teams and other managers and who thinks football is supposed to be about who 'deserves' what rather than hard, cold results.

  44. Gooner 1

    May 15, 2012, 13:04 #22366

    I don’t really understand the point of this to be honest... Of course RVP was one of the reasons we got 3rd…… Mentally weak, lack of squad depth, no signings, losing our best players etc etc and we came 3rd behind the biggest club in the world and richest club in the world....

  45. Nick

    May 15, 2012, 12:40 #22365

    Agree with all the comments you made , Wengers a gambler but hes got to learn when to hold em etc, he didnt buy a replacement for Vermallen the season before last, that concievably cost us the title, he didnt get in proper back up for RVP this season but got incredibly lucky with a, the mans phenominal form and b, his fitness, if either had been lacking we would be lucky to have made the europa league positions, we simply MUST improve our squad next season, we need another proven striker as well as Podolski, another PROPER winger, a PROPER defensive midfielder ala Gilberto Silva, another centre half , back up for the left back position (Leighton Baines do you think) and definitely an experienced goalkeeper to keep Srzenerny on his toes, if we do all this we will definitely be a force again , if as in past seasons, we get the same old drivel about Diaby and jack being new signings and RVP leaves, and he spends a pittance on another unheard of like the forehead then i fear it will be groundhog day yet again and if that does happen he (wenger) must do the honourble thing and LEAVE!!!