Seventh Heaven

Goals, goals, goals with Theo to the fore



Seventh Heaven


Where to begin? Well there were plenty of opportunities for players to run to the redsection corner and point above the fans to the corporate box where Thierry Henry was watching the match from, seemingly dedicating their goals to the club’s record scorer. Perhaps it is worth employing Henry in some kind of motivational role as the players certainly seem to be putting in more of a shift, at least when the ball is in the opposition half, than we have seen at many home matches this season. Additionally, the benefits of his advice to Theo Walcott were plain to see. The striker made two of the goals he did not score.

This will have had a dual effect. Firstly, it enhances the case for him to be paid what his agents are asking for. Secondly, it increases the amount of money he will be offered by other clubs. Ultimately, the Walcott situation does seem to be all about the Benjamins, so the suspicion is that were Arsène Wenger to relent and give his blessing to the deal requested by Team Walcott, they might not accept it now. The reality is that other clubs will offer the player more basic wages with a signing on fee of several million to boot. In pure economic terms it’s a no brainer. If you still believe in the concept of player loyalty, then you may harbour ambitions that Theo will remain. For this observer, the only real debate is whether the club are able to get anything at all for the player in January or whether he will see out the remainder of his contract and leave for nothing in the summer. The earlier sentences of this paragraph indicate that we will be seeing a further five months of him in an Arsenal shirt. The club were willing to let him depart last summer when a renewal could not be agreed, but his agents could not find anyone that would give him the wages he wanted and pay the sum his club wanted for him. That will not be an issue in June 2013.

So the conclusion of this is that Arsenal have to change the egalitarian wage structure that rewards squad players to contribute little but the occasional domestic cup appearance. They can afford to pay the wages paid by the likes of the two Manchester clubs and Chelsea, just to fewer players than those clubs. But they can definitely afford to pay four players superstar wages (and this before the new sponsorship and kit deals kick in). It just means that the likes of Squillaci, Chamakh, Park, Denilson and Bendtner (etc etc – the bulk of the latter trio’s wages are still being paid from Arsenal’s coffers) have to accept less. Players need to be paid based on achievement rather than potential. A solid basic wage can be enhanced with appearance and win bonus payments. If players are hungry enough and do the business they can do very nicely. It would also help tremendously if the club stopped buying dud players. The poor return from the scouting system in the last four seasons has cost dearly.

The game against Newcastle was great entertainment, a reminder of many a match in which Arsenal have not defended well but compensated simply by outscoring the opposition. Walcott as centre forward did wonderfully well for his first goal, which was very reminiscent of Thierry Henry, although two further opportunities he squandered before the interval raised questions. His delaying of the pass to the in space Cazorla which would have given the Spaniard a one on one with the keeper was down to poor decision making in possession. However, he made his case and then some in the second half, scoring two more and providing two assists. In fairness to Newcastle, they kept coming back and fatigue was probably a factor towards the end of the game when the goals started raining in.

On days like these, the cheap concession of goals can be forgiven, but I would not fancy Arsenal’s chances against the likes of Manchester City, Chelsea and Bayern Munich defending like that. Still, it’s four wins in a row in the league, with Southampton away to come. Another match a team with serious top four aspirations should win. It’s a results business after all, and as long as the side are winning matches, then the methods are justified.

However, the Gunners’ lack of defensive organisation (and I can’t see this stopping unless there is relevant activity in the January transfer window or on the training pitch, neither of which seem likely) will mean that the remainder of the season is all about the race for fourth, realistically between themselves, Tottenham and Everton. No-one is anticipating the recent run as a springboard to a New Year run of victories that will bring the team back into contention with the two Manchester clubs. It is a bit reminiscent of the 2008-09 season, when so many points were dropped before the turn of the year the club changed policy and bought a superstar in the January transfer window (whatever did happen to that Arshavin bloke?).

One imagines Chelsea will not collapse twice in two seasons and secure at least third. I think Everton are probably over reliant on two players and will not make it. So it’s Andre Villas-Boas against Arsène Wenger in a race for the golden goose of Champions League revenue. Okay, it is difficult for Gooners to get excited about balance sheets, but one suspects there will be goals aplenty in Arsenal matches, flying in at both ends. So no lack of drama at least. Which for a business very slowly metamorphosing into a Disney style entertainment brand seems about right. One thing we can all agree on about Arsène Wenger. He loves his attacking football, and his team won’t lose any matches when they score seven.

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  1. Gooner Subscriber

    Mar 03, 2016, 12:02 #85250

    @Post No. 89941 Admin (Mike) - Why have YOU not yet realised that mbg is the biggest wind-up merchant of them all on here? He posts day in, day out to such an excessive extent which show signs he is afflicted by mental illness and yet you don't delete his posts. (Reposted after being deleted four times for no justifiable reason)

  2. Gooner Subscriber

    Mar 03, 2016, 11:41 #85234

    @Post No. 89941 Admin (Mike) - Why have YOU not yet realised that mbg is the biggest wind-up merchant of them all on here? He posts day in, day out to such an excessive extent which show signs he is afflicted by mental illness and yet you don't delete his posts. (Reposted after being deleted three times for no justifiable reason)

  3. Hi Berry

    Mar 02, 2016, 19:41 #85144

    I don't know what all you moaning minnies are getting so het up about....didn't our great leader categorically state that Arsenal will win the league within two or three years a while ago. We just have to be patient....

  4. Gooner Sunscribers

    Mar 02, 2016, 17:34 #85126

    @Post No. 89941 Admin (Mike) - Why have YOU not yet realised that mbg is the biggest wind-up merchant of them all on here? He posts day in, day out to such an excessive extent which show signs he is afflicted by mental illness and yet you don't delete his posts. (Why was this comment deleted twice today?)

  5. Website Admin (Mike)

    Mar 02, 2016, 13:48 #85090

    The reason I permit mgb posts is because he is from the Wenger out camp,he never posts anything offensive apart from a few anti-akb posts a day which we overlook.He is an atheist and is very kind to gays.

  6. Rocky RIP

    Mar 02, 2016, 13:46 #85088

    'The role of supporters is to support' - if only. We became customers years ago and with it went the atmosphere.

  7. mbg

    Mar 02, 2016, 13:08 #85083

    The Foxes drop two points over to you Arsenal, after what happened on Sunday ? You couldn't make it up, like I said he and the AKB's have a short memory. You really do have to laugh sometimes.

  8. Gooner Subscribers

    Mar 02, 2016, 12:29 #85069

    @Post No. 89941 Admin (Mike) - Why have YOU not yet realised that mbg is the biggest wind-up merchant of them all on here? He posts day in, day out to such an excessive extent which show signs he is afflicted by mental illness and yet you don't delete his posts.

  9. Gooner subscribers

    Mar 02, 2016, 11:56 #85062

    @Post No. 89941 Website Admin (Mike) - Why have YOU not yet realised that mbg is the biggest wind-up merchant of them all? He trolls this place day and night to the point where it can be claimed he is afflicted by mental illness. Selective 'administration' at its clearest.

  10. Nick

    Mar 02, 2016, 11:08 #85050

    First Arseblog jumps down from the fence into the Wenger out camp and now it seems so has Simon Rose, albeit with a caveat or two, his summation of the last few games was spot on but hardly a revelation, for me Wenger has two games to save his and our season even if only temporarily, we MUST beat Swansea tonight ( I will miss tonight's game as I'm bedridden at the moment) and the scum on Saturday, failure to win both will put the final nails in the coffin of our title ambitions, defeat to the scum will also be the final straw for many who are still astride the fence that Arsenlog and mr Rose have just vacated, even another cup triumph will not be medicine potent enough to ease the pain of finishing below our odious neighbours or even worse seeing them take a title that was well within our grasp, I for one would never forgive Wenger for such a scenarios and nor would countless others. As for who should replace the Frenchman ,does it really matter ? Any coach with the ability to motivate, be tactically aware and astute with a burning hunger for success could do well at a club with our resources providing he is allowed to use said resources, personally id go for someone like Eddie Howe, he likes to play attractive football, he's young and hungry and is proving himself with Bournemouth, yes we may need to take a step back before striding forward but given time I believe he could forge his own legend here, even the likes of Mourinho, Guardiola etc had to start somewhere, Wenger himself was unknown at first, George Graham our second most successful manager was also unproven at the top level. Unlike Mr Rose I believe that should Wenger fail and the unthinkable happens , his contract would be irrelevant the backlash from that trauma would be too much for him to survive, it may even threaten the tenure of the wiggy one on his Texas ranch !

  11. jjetplane

    Mar 02, 2016, 10:34 #85041

    So 'he will leave' if he wins no PLs? is that Your ultimatum. Always thought you were near the top of the pile at the Emirates and that you are so transparent with your views. Arnold Webster is 102 yrs old.

  12. Jamerson

    Mar 02, 2016, 10:19 #85040

    I'm only a wind up merchant to those who hate my views,to those who agree with me I'm huge box office.The OG would just be filled with the WOR drenching us all in flem if I departed.Mike the admin man is obviously offended by the truth so it's understandable my posts are removed.

  13. Augustus Flair

    Mar 02, 2016, 9:32 #85029

    Website Admin Mike: It also seems many here fail to realise Arsene Wenger is a wind-up merchant and as such he should be removed. AW thrives on attention and no-one should waste their time backing him or their posts deserve to be removed.

  14. Website Admin (Mike)

    Mar 02, 2016, 9:15 #85024

    It seems some of you have not yet realised that Jamerson is a wind-up merchant and as such his posts are removed. Wind-up merchants thrive on attention, so please don’t waste your time replying to him because in order to discourage him, those posts are likely to be removed as well. Thanks.

  15. Jamerson

    Mar 02, 2016, 8:33 #85017

    Here's a warning to all you who hate the truth.Proverbs 15:10 ...'Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.'

  16. bromley boy

    Mar 02, 2016, 8:21 #85016

    good to see our medical team have come up trumps again with regards to santi and i see Jack is still 3 or 4 weeks away just waiting for wenger to come out and say " my medical team have great mental strength and ability !!! )

  17. Jamerson

    Mar 02, 2016, 8:03 #85015

    Or it could mean I'm a christian who'll have nothing to do with the debauchery many from the big cities love so much.Enjoy the gay gooners v proud lillywhites organised colour lace kickabout the club have organised,captained by Arseneknewbest and mark the nark.I noticed the media keep trying to get Wengers approval of their latest sodom fest yet he normally bats the questions away with his usual standard answers,knowing he has to tow the line to keep his job.

  18. Made Up Stat

    Mar 02, 2016, 7:14 #85014

    Jamerscum: You know, your frequent homophobic references are a classic sign of repression. Next time you're uptown to watch Chavski, perhaps a trip to a shrink in Harley St is in order.

  19. CT Gooner

    Mar 02, 2016, 3:08 #85013

    No Jamerson, Arsene FC have no fans, only customers. And that is the answer, only way to influence them is to cut off the income!!! That means boycot....

  20. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 23:51 #85012

    Yes I really do blame TOF for the decades long awaited revival of Tottenham Hotspur. Only I could make it up.

  21. Jamerson

    Mar 01, 2016, 23:22 #85011

    I can see us hitting Swansea for six while the serial bottlers Tittanhoms get whacked by Wham in the gayboy derby.

  22. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 01, 2016, 22:28 #85010

    Norfolk Gooner, how low is that comment about the Ox. The level of hatred knows no bounds on here about the club ,the management and our players, led by the original bile induced Muguiresbridge.

  23. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 22:25 #85009

    Shame on you Wenger, too right, and an excellent point, yes TOF's legacy will be seeing the chavs as the first London club to win the CL and seeing over and aiding and abetting the revival of the spuds, while at the same time regressing Arsenal ten years what a legacy. Wenger you have a lot to answer for.

  24. Win this open league

    Mar 01, 2016, 22:25 #85008

    @Simonrose Like the rallying nature of this piece but if Wenger didn't win the FA Cup in 2014 he would of left. Don't be so naive. He signed a contract extension before the Semi Final

  25. Jamerson

    Mar 01, 2016, 21:47 #85007

    I love it when Wenger gives it to WOBs,he's the only manager who doesn't creep up to the fans,he'll be calling them retards next.Up the baggies.

  26. jjetplane

    Mar 01, 2016, 21:45 #85006

    It is so pitiful that lowly Leicester and the two bob Totts are battling for top place while The mighty Arsene Rose FC must suffer the embarrassment, nay effrontery of the hoof it and see where it goes rabble. Do people not realise that a team driven by Ozil is capable of well getting 4th spot. Simon Perry and Graham Rose - keep 'em coming - pure gold lads!

  27. Westlower

    Mar 01, 2016, 21:37 #85005

    The Foxes drop 2 points. Over to you Arsenal.

  28. New Man

    Mar 01, 2016, 21:35 #85004

    we should take a chance and go for Martinez the Everton Manager if we could possibly get him to come. Wenger is the wrong generation and his Al Powerful status gifted to him since Arsenal ownership changed when Dein and the others sold out, has made the man a tyrant who will not listen. You see all these other managers trying to learn as much as they can, showing passion but remaining humble while Louis IV holds court at his press conferences. He sees himself as some important voice in football not realising that he has become in many respects a sad laughing joke except the joke is on the Arsenal fans who dont have shares or get £8mpa. It is a truly sorry state of affairs that several people on here have been warning for ages was happening to the Club. we may well stil come 2nd or 3rd because others have been crap but that doesnt matter the mentality at the club we can all see is still totally wrong. I was sad but Im now angry. Arsenal's DNA has been hijacked and crushed and we are unrecognisable as a Club for us over 40's.

  29. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 21:19 #85003

    ArseneKnewBest, it would be criminal not to give that Quip/laugh of the day, hilarious, i'm still laughing.

  30. Cyril

    Mar 01, 2016, 21:11 #85002

    I want to cry of all this malaise, but will laugh instead. The Van Fall with clipboard intact is pure Blakey.. Hilarious, for that they deserve the 3 points. Comedy gold. The Chelski shout out 'he's gonna crouch in a minute' often heard against them as we always lose is really funny. As he did, a real voyeur shot from behind. Yep, not a good look.. Let's hope he doesn't take a dump, brake his zip, ball ache the 4th official with his arm out, do any handbrake turns etc etc and repeat. OH GOD HELP US!!!

  31. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 21:09 #85001

    jw, as I've said in reply to MFA he really is under the cosh now, it's all coming back to haunt him, as the saying goes caught by the short and curlies (and it wouldn't be the first time) he's really desperate now with all this crap he's spouting, jaded, (sounds like a perfume or face lotion that would be about right)leaders all over the pitch who the f**k is this old clown trying to kid ? Do us all a favour for once in your life wenger and go now.

  32. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 20:45 #85000

    Mark From Aylesbury, well pointed out, TOF is starting to crack alright, blaming everybody and everything for his failings the pressure is really getting to him ranting and raving pre and post match, all his cock ups embarrassments, lies and spin has caught up with him, and you don't have to be an expert to see it, he's on his way out and he knows it, lose tomorrow night and the end is nigh, lose or even draw against the spuds and he's finished, who said venting our anger on Arsenal sites was a waste of time. wenger out.

  33. norfolk gooner

    Mar 01, 2016, 20:35 #84999

    Some good news... the Ox could be out for the season! good lets hope he's sold in the summer.

  34. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 20:20 #84998

    RedPig, a couple of good posts, your dead right all this mess didn't just happen over night, or by accident it was caused, and yes the most important thing now is getting rid of the cause. Go now wenger.

  35. Westlower

    Mar 01, 2016, 20:10 #84997

    @mbg, Glad to hear you've got your future mapped out, but what about the parrot? Come on you Throstles!

  36. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 01, 2016, 20:05 #84996

    A deeply unpleasant image of the swivel eyed loon that is jamee son has come into my head where he is reclining on weng's sofa fondling the former football manager's testicules, admiring both their size and mental spirit, "ooh Arsene, your b*lls are huge compared to those of my eunuchs and the wobs. I lurve you Arsene, gobble, gobble gobble etc." Orrible...

  37. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 01, 2016, 19:19 #84994

    Jamerson your love for Wenger is touching though deluded. I personally would have more faith in a David Pleat title charge than Wenger.

  38. CORNISH GOONER

    Mar 01, 2016, 19:02 #84992

    The Club has been very patient with us & now they are telling us today like it is - FIGHT, sod the mental speerit. I'm up for it - I want to see fight, I want it in the ground, fans bashing fans, pints spilled, pies crushed, graffiti on the walls.That's what's been missing - LOVING IT! Webster, I apologise, I have no right to criticise - I know sod all. You may look like a demented old ostrich, but boy can they FIGHT - you just don't mess with 'em. Personally I am a man refreshed - just watch out if anyone upsets me in the supermarket this week, I will make a point of standing jeering at the fierce competition for those disabled parking spaces & I'm going to dump all my recycling stuff around the car park. And when my wife complains next time the Arse are on TV - boy, is she in for a shock! Hang on, scrub that last bit - I might not get fed, bugger! Anyway, good intentions don't last long these days do they - certainly not in the Arsene's La La Land.

  39. jeff wright

    Mar 01, 2016, 19:02 #84991

    Jamerson, you are getting brave now with Swansea up next at home... Arsene looked about as confident as Adam Johnson taking a lie detector test... there is a difference between confidence and delusion... and also desperation .. I had to laugh when the old fool said that... we have leaders all over the pitch... really ? Well then where were they all on Sunday then monsieur Wenger ... is the question... You couldn't make it up.

  40. Bard

    Mar 01, 2016, 18:57 #84990

    Jamerson I heard that immediately volunteered for the weekend. I will be playing wide right but will be practically invisible, just call me Feo.

  41. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 18:54 #84989

    Westlower, I've said on many an occasion but as we know you have a bad memory (for some things anyway) i'll say it again so cut and paste, or wright it down. When the new man come in (the sooner the better)he'll have my full support and yes it will be great to support Arsenal again like I/we used to with a passion and with a manager we can trust and look up to and give our backing to and support, unlike this excuse for one(and i'm quite sure there's a hell of a lot of others who think like myself) no matter who he is, for the duration of his contract anyway unless he's a complete imbecile (and one of them is/was enough so we can't get any worse) he'll be given time to get it right but with the mess left behind by your lord and master that's going to be a big job, but hopefully he can do it, and I've no doubt any decent manager worth his salt will, and if he's seen to be making good progress turning us back into what we were he will continue to have my support. But one thing is for damm sure he won't get or be given eleven years to get it right like you messiah has, and I bet he won't have the same support that you and your ilk have given OGL through and after embarrassments, and when the time comes for our new man it will be, and come as no surprise at all if you and all the wengerites will be shouting and screaming the loudest at his mistakes and decisions and wanting him out and change, and it wouldn't be hard to guess who you'd want to replace him.

  42. Jamerson

    Mar 01, 2016, 18:42 #84988

    Mark the nark-In reality the WOBs are all my underlings,they know in their hearts they cannot live with my wisdom and brilliant understanding of all things Arsenal so they just regurgitate the same old tired notions that their minds feel free to invent.Yes Wenger does occasionally come across as an old badger entering his final years,yet I strongly believe he can still run rings around Poch,Pel and Ranieri.Those three managers have all but given up saying they cannot win the title,whereas Wenger is confident we can and today was in outstanding form as he pulled up the WOBs in his interview questioning whether they had the balls to go all the way with the team and the AKBs.

  43. Shame on you Wenger

    Mar 01, 2016, 18:30 #84987

    The last home game v Villa when the title has gone up the road is going to be the biggest mass protest this club has ever known.What a win double under Wenger's watch Chelsea became the first London team to win the CL now the Spuds are on the verge of the Prem.You couldnt make it up.And all for £8.5m a year

  44. Roy

    Mar 01, 2016, 18:23 #84986

    Gaz, spot on mate. And how much damage will have actually been done by the time Wenger eventually departs, making it that much more difficult for the new man to repair ? It's very disconcerting where this may end as Wenger and those above him are all in this together. Only protests or something that's tangible can possibly change things before then, because it won't be performances or results that bring it about. That in itself is a disgrace.

  45. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 01, 2016, 18:18 #84985

    Jamerson - notice your still not using the term WOB. It really shook you didn't it when you realised your calamitous use of the word has helped ferment a real movement against your messiah. If ever a book is written about Wengers last days your help in his downfall should be noted. Got news for you old son. WOBs / WORs are on this site far more than you. Think it's you feeling brittle along with Colesey. The ultimate brittle is of course Le Loser who has just made front page of the Standard moaning about his treatment. The old has been will fold if it really ramps up ( watch this space if Spurs win title ). Your old mans on the way out, you're on the way out too. Lastly where the **** is Pete the freak?

  46. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 18:06 #84984

    Another one of our legends Wrighty (he hasn't any personal problems and has said nothing bad about they're messiah so he should be alright the AKB wengerites should leave him alone)has said Leicester have spent the last six months putting a smile on fans faces as well as his, (to right mate they've been a breath of fresh air) but hold on wasn't that supposed to be wenger and his little technicians doing that ? with their barca lite and great to watch football ? who was it told us that ? wenger and his dwarfs haven't put a smile on any fans faces for a long time (Arsenal fans anyway, the same can't be said for rival fans who must be and are laughing they're arses off) unless it's to laugh at our old fraud of a manager bumbling about from one embarrassment to another.

  47. Westlower

    Mar 01, 2016, 18:00 #84983

    @mbg, What are you going to do with yourself when Wenger departs? Will you support the team again, as you've been away for a long time now? Nearly as long as our mutual friend in the 9th tier of life. We've missed you both dreadfully. How about teaching your parrot to speak in 9th tier French with an Irish lilt?

  48. Gaz

    Mar 01, 2016, 17:47 #84982

    Gets on my t*ts when I hear 'we should grow some balls' as if its us who has the problem. There are three massive problems at this Club. Kroenke, Wenger, and the fans who support them. If any 'balls' need to be grown its by those who offer nothing but unconditional support to a regime and a manager that's caused such a rift amongst its fan base its manifested into actual fighting at home and away grounds. Those of us who want to see a change at the Club are the ones with the balls in my opinion...

  49. Alsace

    Mar 01, 2016, 17:46 #84981

    We have no chance. Donkeys led by an even bigger donkey.

  50. Hiccup

    Mar 01, 2016, 17:40 #84980

    Augustus, 'fatigue' is so last year. The latest buzz word is 'jaded'. Fatigue will return again though as the AKB's like to keep recycling trends. Westie earlier brought back the financial constraints re the £200m, as we look to close the gap on Leicester's unfair and unlimited resources. Mag, you'll be upsetting baddie again giving out awards. Hey westie, do you have the latest odds as to when baddie will return from his latest sabbatical? I'll have a fiver on him being back tomorrow.

  51. Pesho Saulov

    Mar 01, 2016, 17:23 #84979

    a) Jupp Heinkens, Jose M (not ideal,but it has to the point where AW just has to go ASAP) b) fire him and pay him damages

  52. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 17:04 #84978

    Hiccup, great post, pathetic isn't it, that will take some beating for post of the day.

  53. Roy

    Mar 01, 2016, 17:00 #84977

    Ha ha ! Nice attempt at a wind up from Goonah aka Jamerson or both, but it all smacks of desperation to me. Of course Wenger is ONE of the best things to happen to our club, but your Messiah's best days are obviously behind him and he should do the honourable thing - though I accept that probably won't happen until next year. As for growing a pair .... Grow up.

  54. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 01, 2016, 16:57 #84976

    Jamerson, am intrigued by the correlation you draw between what these mysterious 'WOR' beings you speak of 'believe' and how if they 'believed' something different Wenger would have 5 more titles. Can you explain in greater detail how this extraordinary mind power they have over the club actually works?

  55. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 16:51 #84975

    So young Rashford is on just £500 a week while the pampered little premadonnas he ran rings around and made fools off are on ? £60, 70, 80, 90, 100,000 plus per week, young Rashfords wages are more in line with what our second rate nancy boys are worth.

  56. Hiccup

    Mar 01, 2016, 16:45 #84974

    It's gone from looking in to the whites of their eyes to now asking the players to show that they want it? You've certainly thrown down the gauntlet to ArsenalCircular to see who can write the most garbage. Well this kind of crap just needs to be thrown back at the AKB's. Do you AKB's really want it? Because you've persisted and backed this shambles for the last God knows how many years, and you'll continue to do so. It's become quite clear to anyone with an ounce of sense that the club ain't bothered about it, wenger can live without it whilst on £8m, the mediocre players on top top wages can live with out it, and anyone ever bothered about wanting it, went elsewhere to get it, and got it! The AKB's have been happy to support and back the malaise at the club for years. And now they're asking questions of the players. Just how are players supposed to go from tossing it off and celebrating underwhelming 4th place finishes, to be expected to win the league? It's not in the mentality of the club. And why you AKB's are all of a sudden demanding better is a joke. If City or Chelsea hadn't capitulated this year you wouldn't have been writing this. You'd have been more than happy with our current 3rd spot. So go back to writing how fantastic we keep doing to finish 4th, and at the same time lower your expectations back to that level. You've been preaching for years how unreasonable our expectations have been, and now all of a sudden you're demanding more from the players to win the league. You need to come to terms that it ain't happening and deal with it like the rest of us have been told to for the last ten years.

  57. Jamerson

    Mar 01, 2016, 16:41 #84973

    Why are the WOB so brittle and over emotional.Luckily Wenger sees these fools for who they are and realises that unless they can grow a pair their views will never be taken serious.

  58. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 16:39 #84972

    Well done and said Merse, one who cares and not afraid to say it like it is, the only thing I don't agree with is it shouldn't be the end of the season it should be now. And of course right on cue ridiculed by wengerites who even had to throw in the mans personal problems in defence of his messiah, pathetic.

  59. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 01, 2016, 16:33 #84971

    Jamerson, am intrigued by this correlation you draw between what these 'WOR' beings 'believe' and the 5 more titles Wenger would have won if they 'believed' something different. Could you go into further detail regarding this extraordinary mind power over the club these 'WOR' beings have?

  60. Goonah!

    Mar 01, 2016, 16:33 #84970

    Arsene Wenger is the best thing that has ever happened to this club. Anyone who does not think that is an ungrateful idiot. This is a fact that cannot be argued with. If you try good luck. But you'll be wrong.

  61. Captain Frank

    Mar 01, 2016, 16:31 #84969

    Simon, you say “When have you ever heard of a club challenging to win the Double deciding to opt out of winning one of those trophies?” I give you 2004 and Man United in the SF at Villa Park with Sunderland or Millwall (the latter as it turned out) waiting for us in the Final. So, what did we do? Rest our record goalscorer. It was hardly the act of “going for it” was it?

  62. Roy

    Mar 01, 2016, 16:28 #84968

    Simon, you say that if we don't want the players to give up, then why should we as supporters ? Did you hear Wengers response to the criticism about OT ? " over emotional " he called it. I give up.

  63. Jamerson

    Mar 01, 2016, 16:18 #84967

    Wenger is right to call the WOR bottlers.I don't hear the akbs or the hairy arses from Leicester or the spuds saying they can't win the league.The WOR need to grow a pair and believe we can win this title.I for one am fed up with having to carry these faint-hearts season in and season out.If we had better fans we'd be sitting with at least another five titles under Wenger.

  64. Ron

    Mar 01, 2016, 16:12 #84966

    Westie - you know my view on LVG. He s top bloke and they d be silly to bow to the media witch hunt as you said earlier. Im of the view that Utd had it in mind to clear out their old team and to go for the younger influx. I know hes had it forced on him to an extent, but a lot of it is by design i reckon. Utd are just too big and mindful of their sponsors and World brand to entrust it to a loose cannon like JM. They ll no doubt have people there who ll think of it, but for all JMs yrs of licking Fergies balls i dont think Fergie would want him at OT any more than he wants a wart on them. Certainly a man like Charlton doesnt. Utd just have too many young gems as it stands to risk JM with them. Seeing them on Sunday they brought to mind Tommy Docs exciting teams of the mid 70s ie Coppell, Hill, Albiston, Pearson and Buchan, Greenhoff et al. A long way to go for Utd, but the swagger is coming back for sure. A couple of top buys will go there soon, maybe Bale, plus another and you can get some of yr cash on them to win the title again. LVG has learned he cant bully the press when hes not winning. Top bloke, funny too! Merse could play though for all his daftness Westie. Hes made for TV as you say, but he makes some good points ....every so often.

  65. Westlower

    Mar 01, 2016, 15:57 #84965

    @Ron, Chelsea supporting Merse is a great entertainer on TV football chat shows but I wouldn't hang my hat on his judgement, either for or against AFC. He used to bet like a lunatic and lost my respect many moons ago. I'll never forget one pre-match warm up at Highbury when the PA system broadcast a racing result as because Merse had backed a horse. On this occasion it won and he danced around the pitch like he'd won the lottery. It was the most effort he ever put in during a warm up. Pulled muscles before the game - no chance! For all that I'm pleased for him that he's sorted himself out, as he had similar problems to Kenny Sansom. It was good to see Kenny on TV a couple of weeks ago & fingers crossed his problems are now under control. Skybet are trying to retrieve their heavy weekend loses by offering a tempting treble on Leicester, Everton & Chelsea all to win at 6/1 this evening. At the beginning of the season a straight forecast on Leicester 1st, TH 2nd was 25,000/1, it's now 11/2. Is it just me or do you find LVG's use of the kids a sweet irony in keeping Maureen from taking over at OT, with the special one reticent to use young players.

  66. Augustus Flair

    Mar 01, 2016, 15:53 #84964

    Fatigue; not having played as recently as the opposition; having played more recently than the opposition; injuries; officials' poor/weak decisions; bad pitch; opposition disrupting our midfield flow (shouldn't be allowed); opposition parking the bus; opponents cheating; packed match schedule; sparse match schedule; critical Arsenal fans who've never managed a pro side. All of these, and more, are to blame for our malaise. Only one person isn't.

  67. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 15:46 #84963

    LEULZ, excellent post, yes the old chestnut who would we get to replace him dragged up yet again (the AKB's must be really desperate) funny how this is always dragged up when all the good, decent managers have been snapped up and there's no one left, it's never asked by a wengerite when there's some available. Yes mr high and mighty simon rose another of wengers chief ball boys telling us what we should do and support, who does he think he is anyway. There is another one just like him with the same attitude on here who posts now and again who comes and goes after trying to dictate to us also, it never worked/works for him either. wenger out now.

  68. Charlie George Orwell

    Mar 01, 2016, 15:38 #84962

    So WE are the problem? That would be the fans who have given you YEARS more time to deliver the goods than any other club in the WORLD would have put up with? We are the faint hearts - the people who work bloody hard to be able to afford to see bottle job prima donnas on obscene contracts? Wenger - HAVE YOU NO SHAME?

  69. Gaz

    Mar 01, 2016, 15:33 #84961

    Hi mbg. As long as Rob the chef has half decent motivational skills I reckon he'd have got a better performance from that lot on Sunday than Wenger did. Ron: Sorry about bringing TH14 into the mix but as we both know even if Wenger leaves he's sure to take over. Also notice that 48 hours after that defeat a lot of fans are sticking their heads above the parapet again and announcing how much they love Wenger and begging him to stay. Its quite pathetic obviously...

  70. Ron

    Mar 01, 2016, 15:26 #84960

    Westlower - just seen yr post re Merson. I know hes another one of yr pet hates (their seems to be a myriad of them i know) but whats actually so wrong with his logic? He seems to suggest that a. AW says we dont need to spend to create a team to improve what we ve got and to shape a title tilt or win the said title b. Leicester and Spurs with teams of a far less value and far less cash clout, might win the title anyway and c. If AFC dont win it, AWs role in carrying on has to be ended or at least questioned. Which bit is 'knee jerk'? It seems like a rational deduction surely? Can you help me out here? Now, i know you get a squidgy bum when ever anyone, especially Merson, has the sheer temerity to challenge the notion of the Proff staying, but its worth knowing how an AKB stalwart reduces his view to a meaningless one.

  71. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 15:16 #84959

    Gaz, spot on, me either (and i'd say a hell of a lot of others) I don't care who they get, Rob the chef for all I care, he works, cooks, and talks and listens to the players so would probably do a better job anyway, as long as we get rid of this old fraud that's the main priority.

  72. John F

    Mar 01, 2016, 14:54 #84958

    Lucky man Westie I would of loved to have been there. Just been down the bookies and noticed the spuds are evens to beat the Hammers but it tumbles to 12/1 to win if they have lasagne as a pre match meal.

  73. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 14:52 #84957

    Just another article (like all the rest) full of excuses for your messiah. wenger out.

  74. Bob

    Mar 01, 2016, 14:49 #84956

    Sorry, this is superficial nonsense. While it's true that the players don't seem to be showing much desire (certainly not as much as those at Leicester and Tottenham), the main issue is one of quality. We have too many players in the squad who are (on their day) good, but not good enough to win either the championship or premiership. It would be easier to list those who DO have the required quality: I would say Cech, Bellerin, Ozil, Sanchez and possibly Coquelin. The rest are too lightweight or too inconsistent. I couldn't care whether Wenger has another year on his contract or whether (mainly through luck of the draw) we are still in the FA Cup. He has under-achieved for too long, and there is no point wasting another season. Change now, please.

  75. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 14:41 #84955

    Are you actually saying TOF got his last contract with orders to win the league ? You really couldn't make it up.

  76. jeff wright

    Mar 01, 2016, 14:41 #84954

    Is it comic relief day today >? Colinson, so it's the supporters again who are to blame ! Comedy gold that It's the way you tell 'em. This team of softies selfie takers and thumb-suckers couldn't carry a bag of feathers on their backs. You couldn't make it up.

  77. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 14:30 #84953

    Here we go again I was wondering how long it would take, mooting players about who would be good for us, when are you and others going to realise it doesn't matter who we sign or what kind of a beast they are, it won't make a blind bit of difference, your messiah will only ruin them, they'll be brought down to his an others level (if they're not at that level already) the problem is your lord and master nothing will change until he goes, and the sooner the better.

  78. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 01, 2016, 14:25 #84952

    I see the AKBs are slowly creeping back, emboldened by their leader's press conference. So it's the supporters that are the problem. Must have been 11 supporters out on the pitch on Sunday. Rational analysis tells us there's a pattern dating back many seasons now, but the AKBs seem unable to recognise it. Maybe they are too emotional.

  79. Bard

    Mar 01, 2016, 14:20 #84951

    Colin; I wasnt aware that I was actually playing on Sunday. Fans dont win trophies or at least not as far as Im aware. If the implication is that Sunday wasnt a bottle job then I dont know what game he was watching.

  80. RedPig

    Mar 01, 2016, 14:17 #84950

    It increasingly irritates me how fans are seen as having a role. It’s not like joining the army where you then have a duty to serve. In my experience, fans will always support if you give them something worth supporting because we all want our teams to do well. But the onus is very much on the clubs to give us something. Too often you will see or hear people in the game, even commentators and journalists talking with disdain about fans who show any kind of dissent – as though they are guilty of something i.e. not being real fans (whatever that means?) Dissent only happens for a reason and usually as a last resort. I’m not talking about coin throwing – which is disgraceful. I mean booing, protesting etc. The widespread condemnation of that very polite banner Arsenal fans displayed at West Brom last season was laughable. Compare that tame effort to what happens in places like Italy. What is too often forgotten, is the fans are the ONLY people in that stadium who have paid to be there. Everyone else is being paid to be there. Clubs do not need the revenue from fans the way they used to but without those paying fans, you would not have a game that TV companies would be willing to pay for. Football on its own with no crowd, isn’t as much of a spectacle. I do watch some lower league stuff at times and enjoy it but it’s not the same, even though it has a refreshing honesty about it compared to the a lot of what is served up in PL. Fans, particularly at the top level, are still very much taken for granted though. In recent years when I still bothered to go to the Emirates I had the feeling that I wasn’t just being taken for granted but that somehow I was meant to feel privileged to even be allowed in. And even then, we were kept at arm’s length, detached from the action on the pitch in a way we never were at Highbury. There is nothing better in football than fans and players coming together as one but I cant remember the last time I felt that following Arsenal and I do not blame the fans for this.

  81. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 14:16 #84949

    Show you want it Arsenal, make it yours, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Your still using the name/word Arsenal instead of arsene for all the failings i see, is there another manager called Arsenal we don't know off ? You couldn't make it up. wenger out.

  82. Colin

    Mar 01, 2016, 14:10 #84948

    Do you think Wengers right when he says that there is no pressure on the spuds and Leicester because of their small club status and is he right when he says many of our fans are starting to bottle it when they should be getting behind the team.

  83. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 14:04 #84947

    Your first paragraph says it all, we don't have any of those, except weakness of course all over the place especially the TOF of a manager.

  84. Westlower

    Mar 01, 2016, 13:58 #84946

    @John F, You're mention of 'wont get fooled again' is a timely one, as it's Gooner Roger Daltry's 72nd birthday. So much for 'hope I die before I get old.' Keep going Roger, as we all need elder tribe members to look up to. Happy memories of being in Small & Beautiful, Blackstock Road on a ECL game when the dulcet tones of RD's voice carried across the room. The foreign manager of S & M was excited to know he had a celebrity in his midst, even though he didn't know WHO Roger was.

  85. Colin

    Mar 01, 2016, 13:49 #84945

    Wenger just said if the fans haven't got the backbone for the run in maybe the team will have to carry them.He also said that the negative comments don't affect him at all as they normally come from people who are over emotional and unable to properly engage their minds.Top answers,I am starting to like him again.

  86. jeff wright

    Mar 01, 2016, 13:38 #84944

    WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate , our tactics were Wenger's usual tippy tappy pass the parcel ones of tying to walk the ball into the United goal . They did not work though because we lost the midfield battle ,tbh Ramsey ,Ozil and Coq would struggle against United's women's side. .Our goals were scrappy ones the first from a free-kick that the United defence minus any CB's failed to defend against and the second one came from a mad scramble in the United goal area with Ozil mis-hitting his shot into the ground but it somehow bounced up and down into the goal. So despite being awful we still managed to score TWO goals ! So my point is that had we been better organized with a stronger midfield we would have done better than we did do -because that United side with no proper defence was there for the taking. But, hey this is the great Arsene Wenger we are talking about and he knows better than those who have never worked a day in football - so there ! Good old Arsene.

  87. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 01, 2016, 13:21 #84943

    Bard - I think you are right. Will he get away with it again though? The players really are going to have to be up for it . I think he will walk as well as I reckon he'll crack if it gets really nasty

  88. Nick T

    Mar 01, 2016, 13:19 #84942

    Ive got this vision going on in my head at the moment of Arsene putting an arm round little Feo saying 'there there take no notice of that nasty Mr Souness he doesn't really mean it....tell you what shall we go and get some ice cream and when we get back you can sign your new 10 year £200k per week deal, how does that sound....oh and I got a call from the PR department please don't forget to put some positive thoughts up on the website this afternoon'

  89. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Mar 01, 2016, 13:17 #84941

    JeffWright; we had any tactics on Sunday? The only thing I saw most afternoon was aimless playing the ball around between the 18-yd box and the centre circle. We have had worse teams, and worse players, but since becoming a fan in 1974 a more supine, anodyne, emasculated Arsenal XI I have yet to see than this current rudderless shower.

  90. Peter Wain

    Mar 01, 2016, 13:02 #84939

    What nonsense he must go now He has had chance after chance after chance and still makes the same mistakes. He talks top top quality but has never bought it. Sanchez Ozil Giroud are good players not top top quality. When he bought Veira and Henry they were not top top quality. He only ever buys potential or average players. Look at the one he bought in January this year. If he is top top quality why is he not in the first team. Why is Flamini above him? Because he is an average player coming to terms with a higher league. If we let him stay to the end of the season what then. A groundswell of fans to keep him. No he must go today and take Gazidis with him and the moron who said we can only spend £75 million this year.

  91. Bard

    Mar 01, 2016, 12:57 #84938

    I dont think the board will do anything. Whether he stays or goes will depend on the atmosphere at the ground. If the fans turn he will find it difficult to stay, we know he is a sensitive soul. Whether the fans turn depends how the spuds do. If we get spanked at the Lane and they go on to win the title, i just cant see how he could stay on after that. The atmosphere would be so hostile. So to my mind the game at the Lane is a career defining moment for him. Win it and there will be a reprieve but lose it and i think its game over for him. Ron; oh for a John Robertson in our team.

  92. mbg

    Mar 01, 2016, 12:56 #84937

    Ah Simon welcome back, where have you been, is this a Circular ? we've had enough of those to last a life time, nothings changed since your last article in fact it's got worse, i'm sure all your predictions have been flushed down the bog long ago, yes the situation has got worse a hell of a lot worse, we're in more serious trouble now than ever we were, regressed years, and a laughing stock thanks to an old past it clueless manager and the only thing that has stayed the same is wenger out, surely you and your ilk see that now ? wenger out.

  93. Tony Evans

    Mar 01, 2016, 12:44 #84936

    Sorry Simon but so much of your article comes across as condescending. As Ron says we don't need you to tell us what supporting means, and one thing it certainly doesn't mean is propping up a manager that is now so out of touch it beggars belief. How many more spineless, gutless performances will it take to make you open your eyes?

  94. John F

    Mar 01, 2016, 12:42 #84935

    I find it odd that in the middle of increased critisms of the club reports are yet again coming out that we have a huge warchest that is going to be used in the summer for a massive shake up.Has this been secretly been leaked out to side track the fans.As one fan tweeted Arsenals war chest is becoming like Iraq's WMD.The who song comes to mind "won't get fooled again".

  95. AMG

    Mar 01, 2016, 12:24 #84933

    Simon, I think it's more a case that they believe they are the better team and can win without putting in a shift. There is no lack of belief, there is too much arrogance, not enough humility.

  96. Mark T

    Mar 01, 2016, 12:23 #84932

    Utterly pointless article. Full of contradictions. Make no mistake, we are already in a void. Going nowhere at pace. No other business is run this way. And no other football club either.

  97. anthony walters

    Mar 01, 2016, 12:22 #84931

    westie dunno if you read what i said about missing wilshires drive.as i said in wilshires interview he says wenger wants him as an attacking midfielder of which he is capable but if fit we desperately need him deeper to provide drive not on the right or in attacking areas where ozil excels whereas cazorla will play there if fit.on his game sanchez is brilliant but unpredictable lately he hasn't tracked back properly against barca and bournemouth and when he is deep likely to give a silly square pass or turn into trouble in our defensive third.decision making and reading the game aren't his thing which is why barca got rid of him.ian wright was a great striker for us but we weren't league challengers with him up front because of similar failings only winning a league title in his last year as a squad player.players like that are great players but hard for team mates to read in terms of their on the ball decisions and positional fecisions.

  98. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 01, 2016, 12:15 #84930

    One thing I have done over the past week is basically to talk through the sacking of Wenger with a few Arsenal supporters. One of the guys was hilarious it was like a light bulb went off. He said he had remained loyal but then thought it over and admitted he wanted him gone. The other chap has just texted me with suitable replacements. Obviously it is all theory and micro scale but if we all went for 2-3 supporters each we are doing our bit for change and not just sitting on our bums. You'll be surprised how that idea becomes their idea and on it spreads. I suspect resistance to change is collapsing hence the usual keyboard defenders have disappeared. I also tend to find unequivocally saying I want him gone and being an advocate for change opens up conversation as most of us are on the gentler scale of support I don't think many will attempt violence ( even Pete is sobbing and no fit state ) Let's spread the message we want him out by any (non violent) means possible!

  99. Made Up Stat

    Mar 01, 2016, 12:14 #84929

    The end of the world won't come in a big bang, but with a whimper? Shame that Wenger didn't do the honourable thing some time ago. Shame not only for us but also for the man himself. He will go down as the manager of two halves: played a blinder in the first, but what the hell happened in the second? History will pick the bones out of this conundrum (that for some of us was played out like a slow-mo car crash) and a lot will be said and written in the aftermath. Some will say he was a fine manager, some may even say he was an excellent manager - but one thing for sure will be recorded: Wenger was never a GREAT manager.

  100. John F

    Mar 01, 2016, 12:11 #84928

    My Forest mate was telling me about Cloughie dropping Archie Gemmil from the squad before the Malmo final as he had the nerve to complain about being a sub and he never got a game again.Only room for one big ego at Forest.Even with his hatred for Leeds style of play Cloughie still included a bit of steel in the side with Burns,Lloyd and later Pearce whom Perry Groves said he and Rix used to hate playing against.If only Wengers took note.The Forest situation was similar to Arsenals now,in holding on to a manager too long due to past glorys. It was clear Cloughie had an alcohol problem especially when he ran on the pitch and clumped an invading Forest fan.The Forest board due to Cloughies outstanding record were reluctant to take any action and it led to relegation.Steve I missed out on tickets for Hull again and I am considering going in the Hull stand as they have tickets on general sale.If you do consider this option avoid the East stand that's where the Herbert's go.

  101. Steve

    Mar 01, 2016, 12:01 #84927

    Westlower-That would be the same Sanchez who our idiot in chief said needed a break after two years of non stop football without a break.He gave him a break alright he brought him on as sub in the 2nd half of the first game of the season.Truth is we will not will the league as long as the team mirrors our manager.Sanchez and Ozil both played under Guardiola and Mourinho now they are playing under a tactically clueless clown.Wenger went stale in 2009 but no one at the club would tell him.So we have had 7 more wasted years.And dont think once he has gone his influence will go.You can bet he will pick his successor Garde or Bould

  102. Torbay gooner

    Mar 01, 2016, 11:58 #84926

    Simon, Why do you think that we are in your own words 'weak, spineless and does not have what it takes'and how do you propose 'we arrest the slide'? The pathetic mentality that exists at the club, will continue as long as the current regime does. I would take Simeone in a heartbeat by the way, but I don't think he would be interested in coming 4th!

  103. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 01, 2016, 11:56 #84925

    I'd imagine Gaz speaks for a number of us there. Who was Wenger when he arrived? Obviously Wenger's fans want the issue kicked into the long grass but it needs to remain live whilst the season is on, otherwise it'll be: 'He's only got one more year, let's see what he does in the summer'. Next thing you know he's signed a new 3 year contract (and Simon, both Wenger and Kroenke will want that no matter what happens). Fan pressure must keep the issue live, both in the media and in the ground.

  104. TJ

    Mar 01, 2016, 11:56 #84924

    @Jeff Wright, completely agree! I've come to the conclusion that it's ridiculous for us to keep talking about players: yes, we need a backup DM and a proper striker which is very important, but it all comes down to strategy and tactics in the end. Having Achilles and the other greatest warriors in history wouldn't make the charge of the Light Brigade work, why would naively opening up in football be different? When Steve Bould first joined we played completely new tactics and the team didn't concede a single goal while creating plenty of chances too. Wenger, as reported, must have hated all the praise pouring in for Bouldie, hence why he changed things around for the match we lost at home to Chelsea! Anyway, that time in particular convinced me that we do have the players needed to win the league (Mourinho has always said our squad should achieve more with the players we have) but Wenger's teams can only win trophies when they're lucky enough to overcome all of his idiotic philosophies.

  105. Steve R

    Mar 01, 2016, 11:48 #84922

    Look I told you the box office is now showing sold out for the Hull game after tickets having only been on sale for less than one day.Arsenal never had any intention of taking the extra 1500 offered by Hull,why say extra tickets will be available if there's a demand when they never had any intention of putting them up for sale.

  106. Mark From Aylesbury

    Mar 01, 2016, 11:43 #84921

    I suppose covers have to be planned in advance but I suggest that the Gooner goes with a Wenger Out cover at the last home game and potentially brought forward if the wretched form continues. One big thing I have noted is that the players look unhappy. Previously they have always bailed him out when just was on the line. I genuinely wonder if they will do the same next time. Westie is next actually far wrong in my opinion that WBA may give Leicester a game but the issue is that City, Spurs not Arsenal will probably benefit. I see no leaders at Arsenal , Wenger will want them to think their way out of it and morale continues downwards.

  107. Westlower

    Mar 01, 2016, 11:33 #84920

    For now, forget the long term possibilities on what needs to happen at AFC. We desperately need short term wins. Ideally 2 wins this week or nothing less than 4 points will suffice. Did anyone else notice Sanchez bawling out Coq on a couple of occasions recently? Loss of form has wiped the smile from his face. His shot conversion rate has halved this season to 13% from 25%. Have defenders sussed him out that he only has a right foot? He's very much a maverick and it must be confusing for his team mates to know what he's going to do next. His ego must have taken a massive blow by his poor performance against his old team mates from Barcelona. The conundrum is to keep playing him, hoping his form will return or bring him on as an impact sub? Coq is also struggling to rediscover his best form, maybe time to trust Chambers in that role. We're missing the drive that Jack Wiltshire provides. Physioroom are predicting returns for JW & Cazorla on Mar 16th. Let's hope it's not too late. I fancy WBA will ask Leicester a few questions and the Spuds won't fancy going to the Boleyn. It's game on!

  108. jeff wright

    Mar 01, 2016, 11:24 #84919

    I'm with MG on Wenger's tactics being his Achilles heel .I also believe that our players are not as fit as they should be,something that Mertesacker once commented on. This must be down to Wenger's training regime. Sunday's game was not lost because United had better players than we did - or that our ones were 'fatigued' after playing Barcelona the Tuesday before .We lost due to Wenger's tactics . He went for goals leaving us open to counter-attacks - we needed to have used a more cautious approach Giroud should have played up front with a 5 man midfield behind him with two DM's in it to offer some protection to our fragile defence. We should have bored the socks off the United crowd by stifling their teams attacking efforts thus keeping them quiet while at the same time making the United players frustrated and edgy . Instead of this Wenger's silly Kevin Keegan naive tactics played to the cobbled together , with no center-backs in defence , United team's strengths of pace and forward play trickery. Wenger is a one trick pony a training ground coach who takes no account of the opposition - or of using substitutes in games to try and change things when required . That's why we see the baffling sight of DM's being sent on late in games when we are losing and need goals. Only Wenger in world football does this -the man is being exposed more and more for the clueless tactician that in reality he has always been and now always will be.

  109. Ron

    Mar 01, 2016, 11:17 #84918

    Bard - saw it the other week. Very good. What a Coach! What would we give for a modern day Kenny Burns and Larry Lloyd today. John Terry has always reminded me of LLoyd (on the pitch). Forest were all about John Robertson back then as the film made clear. Brilliant.

  110. Bard

    Mar 01, 2016, 11:12 #84917

    Watched the Forest film, I believe in miracles, last night. Interviewing the old players. They said Clough would forgive anything, poor play mistakes if you gave 100% every game. Did we give 100% on Sunday, do we ever give 100% ? Answers on a postcard.

  111. Augustus Flair

    Mar 01, 2016, 11:01 #84916

    I know this is desperate but I'm not even confident about Swansea now. Their new manager (ah, those delightful words) seems to be making a difference and they kept Spurs working flat-out at the weekend. Plus, of course, there is the Welsh connection, with wretched Ramsey playing as the opposition 12th man much of the time these days. Still, come on you Gunners - let's stuff them and go to the Lane in good heart on Saturday (at least I'm trying).

  112. Ron

    Mar 01, 2016, 11:00 #84915

    Gaz - please, dont raise that spectre of the jabbering Henry as the next Coach. You know how it upsets me, because i reckon that exactly whats' being shaped up to happen! Simon - Nobody at Leics believes they've got the best team yet there they are, showing the balls and skill to give it a great go. Yr comments about it being 'pitiful' that Arse dont think they're better than the Spurs or Leics are deeply demeaning of those two Clubs. Ive noticed for many of these rotten Wenger years that there has been a proliferation of that which i call 'football snobbery' in amongst our fan base. Its a cancerous surliness that holds the Club back in my view, albeit an attitude that been fostered by Wengers own awful attitude towards other Clubs. As for supporting the Club, a great many on here have followed Arsenal far longer than you and really dont need you to to tell them what supporting means. Your article is a 'be careful what you wish for' diatribe. Most of us know and fully understand what we wish for and its not what Wengers been bringing to the party this last 7- 8 years, its the polar opposite, whoever brings it. You clearly didnt watch that latest bottle job at OT very closely. Had you have done, you d understand too. Phil f--cking Brown would have instilled more fight and belief in that load of weak kneed malingerers masquerading as Arsenal players v Utd.

  113. father.christmas

    Mar 01, 2016, 10:58 #84914

    Again? You goons go thru the same 'wenger needs to go' every year. Give it a rest. Ur sh!t. Deal with it!

  114. RedPig

    Mar 01, 2016, 10:28 #84912

    The role of supporters is to support? Not anymore it isnt Simon. The role of supporters is to be exploited, patronised, ripped off, inconvenienced and taken for granted. As for who would replace Wenger. That is the least of my worries at the moment. Getting him out is the most important thing. And thanks for reminding me why I did not enjoy the 2014 cup win. It came at a very heavy price.

  115. Bard

    Mar 01, 2016, 10:27 #84911

    Simon is Graham circular your twin brother ? Surely you can come up with a more sophisticated idea that having to stick with Wenger because there are no other managers out there. What about Mourinho ? Sticking with the same thing and expecting a different outcome is a definition of insanity. I see Wenger is still spinning it this morning . He's borrowed Westie's mantra that the Barca game took a lot out of the team, conveniently forgetting Unt played 2 days later and had less rest. as Jeff would say you couldnt make it up.

  116. Barry

    Mar 01, 2016, 10:23 #84910

    We wont win any title as long as Wenger is manager.Its as simple as that

  117. Anyone but Wenger

    Mar 01, 2016, 10:05 #84907

    Ronald Koemans, better player, better manager, tactically astute.

  118. LEULZ

    Mar 01, 2016, 9:57 #84906

    Lol Simon Rose is hitting the emergency button at AKB central HQ! The classic "who would you replace him with" has come out. Forget it Wenger supafanboy Rose, you don't get to tell supporters how they should support. You also forget that it isn't the fans' job to suggest managerial replacements. That's what we have a CEO for. Just to demonstrate the utter stupidity of desperate AKBs like Simon Rose, have a look at the 2 teams above Arsenal that are favourites for the PL. Pochettino is a new manager at Spuds having replaced Tactics Tim. Leicester sacked Pearson who kept them in the PL - would any Leicester fans have suggested him? These 2 teams have new managers who have proved how new ideas can improve a squad. And they're easily outperforming the circus clown Wenger. Chelski, Citeh have all replaced underperforming managers. Chelski just appointed Conte and I'll bet my bottom dollar he outperforms the Specialist in Failure next season. It's really pathetic that the likes of Rose continue to seek excuses for the utter farce that is Wenger. It's quite simple: if Leicester or Spuds win the league or finish above Arsenal, he cannot continue. Simple. And once he goes, Simon Rose feel free to do one with him.

  119. Steve R

    Mar 01, 2016, 9:46 #84905

    Chambers is easily our best defender on the ball.Wenger should play him along side Kos.

  120. TiTi2

    Mar 01, 2016, 9:33 #84904

    DSDSPUR is spot on. I hope he is utterly wrong about next weekend, but in my guts I know he is right. We are stale and spineless. If Wenger and his acolytes left the club tomorrow and a true leader like Keown came in for the rest of the season we would have a real chance, but with Wenger, none.

  121. anthony walters

    Mar 01, 2016, 9:26 #84903

    i was amazed 65 per cent of arsenal fans in a sunda poll believe koscielney gabriel as our best centre back partnership.mertesacker has his lack of pace and hardly covered himself in glory v chelsea and barca but is a much better option until gabriel communicates better.in defence organisation communication and prevention is essential.it could even be argued would chambers be worth a go.v burnley at home kos and gab as a pair were as bad as it gets bournemouth we got away with two howlers from gabriel and man utd gabriel was at fault for two goals though not the only one.what was awful sunday was we got back to 2-3 yet nobody shook a fist look urgent grabbed the ball no passion or will to win was displayed.

  122. Steve R

    Mar 01, 2016, 9:20 #84902

    DSDSPUR-It's load of crap that Wenger and Begkamp changed Arsenal's dna as you call it.Wenger may have improved us yet we were always streets ahead of your spuds even under GG.George Grahams teams always outplayed your lot who spent most of their time defending deep and relying on Sol Campbell to get them out of trouble,he couldn't get away from your lot fast enough.Even your finest moment the 1991 semi we outplayed you for most of the game.

  123. Red Member

    Mar 01, 2016, 9:19 #84901

    Wenger is finished and I can't stomach the thought of him still being in charge next season. Anyone is better than him at the moment, anyone. He is a delusional dictator who has totally lost the plot

  124. chris dee

    Mar 01, 2016, 9:11 #84900

    To win the league you need 'talent,courage and determination'.So with two out of the three things missing,and we know which ones, we haven't got a chance. The buck stops with the manager,he has allowed a situation to evolve in which our worse nightmare could come true ,Spurs winning the Premiership.

  125. Gaz

    Mar 01, 2016, 9:01 #84899

    Quite frankly I couldn't care less who replaces him as long as somebody does. Let's be honest whoever gets the gig should be half decent anyway (unless our wanky board play it safe by appointing TH14!) so I don't see why fans are are so worried. Ok it might get worse for a while or it might get better but that's far more acceptable for me than going through this same ****ing thing every ****ing season. Wenger's gone, he's finished, and I hope he goes in the summer. I certainly couldn't stomach one more summer of hoping he does the right thing by bringing in the right players. I realise he's like a comfort blanket to some but just like a small child at some point you just have to let go...

  126. bromley boy

    Mar 01, 2016, 8:54 #84897

    simon you say about leaving a void if wenger goes but hes going to go at some point . like all genuine Arsenal fans we want him to be successful but sadly i think we are going backwards the only way forward i think is a complete change at the club which includes Kronke as well . yes that may mean going down the Chelsea and Man city route with Usmanov at the helm but i dont see there fans to upset at the moment

  127. In The Luton End When Caesar Fell

    Mar 01, 2016, 8:49 #84896

    I can't reply to articles like these dotted In And Around (Copyright Andy Towsend) the past decade without repeating myself, or someone else.

  128. Glenn

    Mar 01, 2016, 8:47 #84894

    Oh dear, the old 'who would replace him' argument from the desperados. The fact that the best candidates are being snapped up is a terrible indictment of the current Arsenal set-up, in which Wenger has strategically placed himself as one of the key operators and cannot be budged. (well he can, but the owner doesn't give a toss as long as Arsenal are top four...) The fans need to voice their disapproval in the stadium - until they do, nothing will change, Arsenal will limp over the line and the season will be dressed up as a success. This article makes a change from the usual 'oil separates from water' drivel that this season doesn't seem to be the case. Unless of course Leicester and Spurs are now 'oil.' If that's the case then is Wenger not to blame for Arsenal's current situation?????

  129. Malaysian gunner

    Mar 01, 2016, 8:30 #84893

    Football is a results business . No doubt its just a loss to MU but if Wenger aspires to win the epl ,this is thetype of game Arsenal must win. Frankly he has failed repeatedly against the main rivals these past ten seasons. At any other club he would have been axed. Someone blamed his tactics. I am inclined to agree . The gunners play in apredictable style and is easy to counter. That's why they can't even beat Hull.If Wenger is pragmatic he will vary his style to suit each game. But then this is avery arrogant man who thinks he knows best.That's why Arsenal wont be able to win the epl as long as he is in charge.

  130. DSDSPUR

    Mar 01, 2016, 8:18 #84892

    (Really) hate to admit it, but what would us spurs fans have done for your success and style of football during the late 90s through to the noughties. Wenger,along with Bergkamp, changed your club forever. Yes (thank all that is holy), he has contributed to you floundering for some time and as a person (and 'sporting' professional) he leaves a LOT to be desired for (shock horror) an arrogant Frenchman. Can't imagine any neutrals have an afinity with Wenger, he is a bit of a grade A cock when all said and done, but we have had our fair share... All that aside, I can honestly (and genuinely) say i am far more worried about Wet Spam away on Wednesday than you guys on Saturday. They will have more belief and desire. I honestly cannot see us not winning you lot down the road quite comfortably. COYS

  131. Steve R

    Mar 01, 2016, 8:18 #84891

    Arsenal don't even want us fans travelling to Hull yet it's our best chance of silverware.

  132. Mark From Aylesbury

    Mar 01, 2016, 8:15 #84890

    Wow Simon was that Arsene must go? Only of course 18 months beyond when all of us want him gone. 1. Er your saying we would turn our noses up at an outfield player? Think you need to send that critique over to AW as forgive me if I'm wrong but wasn't it that old has been who refused to buy anyone. You see he believed in the team. 2. It's amazing what might happen if we sacked Wenger you see an 8m a year contract with 3 world class players, funds for a fourth and at last 3 players who could be turned around into top class players. Yeah like no one is going to be interested. 3: So let's get to the point of the article, you know he is an old losing has been who said sat over 10 years of embarrassment, failure, mental fragility. But basically it's all a bit of a pain to replace him so let's just keep him, You know you are almost there the blinkers are off you can smell the coffee but then you run back to your same old comfort blanket. I shouldn't go on really as if must be hard but just remember it's Arsenal not Arsene.

  133. Rocky RIP

    Jan 02, 2013, 10:41 #30233

    @Der Project - hard to argue, today's lot look a pale imitation compared with the 2002-2004 team. (There again, most sides do.) Based on the Southampton game we are mediocre. Some of our players were very poor. Sagna (who I normally rate) had his worst game ever for us. It's a case of when we click it can still be devastating, but we never know when that'll be these days.

  134. mike

    Dec 31, 2012, 12:44 #30190

    Spectrum -hope you can have a Happy New Year mate -comfortably numb comes from one of the best albums ever, however extreemly depressing kind of like you

  135. Ali

    Dec 31, 2012, 10:15 #30185

    It was a good audition for Mancini, Fergie and Benitez and added at least 2-3 millions to his sale value. Come the end of January, Wallcot will be playing either in Manchester or Stamford Bridge.

  136. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Dec 31, 2012, 9:24 #30184

    Well, having read the comments, most are seeing it as it is. The Defence is still vulnerable, we have no defensive midfielder, and anyone who is halfway decent is looking to leave the club, with the exception of JW, who , bless him, has still to wake up and smell the coffee. These small runs of points are the most disheartening, because they convince the manager that he is on the right track. He would be able to convince himself of that after a 10 game losing streak, so the consequential disappointment when we crash again will be all the worse, all again, all the more surprising, for him. The sad thing about Walcott is that if he is properly coached, as he is for the four weeks a year that TH turns up, he can do good things. Scoring in the inside of the side netting for the first goal, and getting up quickly when fouled and being first to the ball for his last goal, show what he is capable of. Think what our team could achieve if the whole team was coached by people who knew what they were doing?

  137. Der Projekt ist Kaput

    Dec 31, 2012, 9:05 #30183

    Rocky RIP - Henry came on as sub v Man Utd in 2003 to replace the woeful Jeffers. The difference now is that Fox-in-the-Box aside (and possibly Wiltord), no one in our current squad is anywhere near as good enough as what we were then. Our starting line up that day: Seaman, Lauren, Keown, Campbell, Cole, Parlour, Vieira, Edu, Pires, Jeffers, Wiltord. Just goes to show how - yes - MEDIOCRE we've become since then.

  138. Ron

    Dec 31, 2012, 9:03 #30182

    A good xmas canter. Good fun, but please, dont read anything into that game. The toon were poor. Our defending was comical as was theirs. Giroud showed what a player he is. Hes the guy that Wenger should tell to lead his line and get a real player to play off him, maybe the Ox could step up? Walcott isnt a CF.Cant head, poor judgement much of the time and cant lead an attack cosistently from a cebtral position. Great goals, but aided very much by shambolic defending at their end.He wont disrupt quality teams like that. Our 2 centre backs are shockingly bad. No aerial presence at all and both seemingly frightened of forwrds with physical power. The full backs? Where were they. Mr Obertan of all people skinned Sagna for fun once the toon realised he could. Gibbs isnt a full back. End of. What is he? Ive no idea.It was a good fun win, but the Club are going to hard pushed to get top 4 this time.

  139. billthered

    Dec 31, 2012, 6:57 #30181

    It was great entertainment on Saturday and I think the answer to all of our questions lies within this game.AW is going nowhere so please Arsene play like this every game,dont sign anymore defenders because you'll only waste more money just try to outscore teams thats the only way we can win games.When we try to defend a lead it does'nt work so attack,attack,attack and even if we lose it will give us some sort of entertainment because a trophy seems to be out of the question.George Graham's team a lot said were dull,boring and lucky but we were entertained cause there always seemed to be silverware at the end of it.Finally please stop this Newcastle were tired crap you sound like OGL.

  140. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Dec 31, 2012, 2:22 #30180

    Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is the Online Gooner comments room...

  141. northbank123

    Dec 31, 2012, 1:11 #30179

    Rocky RIP - We may beat Swansea but bar AC Milan in 2008 (which is being generous) we haven't beaten a top team in knockout competition since Highbury. When it comes to the crunch we'll bottle it, just like both 2009 semis. Watching the game yesterday Walcott was obviously impressive, but watching the highlights today really reinforced what a quality game he had. He's not suddenly become world class but even 18 months ago he wouldn't have scored any of those or contributed either of the 2 assists. Unfortunately his waves goodbye were reminiscent of those from van Persie last season at West Brom. And Podolski deserves huge credit, the bloke was class yesterday. Any surprise his best game came when we reverted to early-season form and pressed hard high up the pitch and created space for ourselves by driving forward with the ball? It clearly suits the guy, instead of receiving slow ball with defenders between him and the goal, or having to spend 90 minutes babysitting our chubby Brazilian.

  142. Highbury Boy

    Dec 31, 2012, 0:03 #30178

    @CanadaGooner.Perhaps I'm being naive but I don't think it's all about the money. It's also about ambition and winning medals. Something that Theo hasn't experienced at Arsenal and almost certainly never will. Certainly RVP,Cole,Nasri,Fabregas and others you mention and we know are much more likely to win trophies and receive higher wages than staying at an Arsenal club content to finish 4th and reach the knock-out stage of the CL each season. Objectives which satisfy the owner,board,CEO and manager. It's the lack of ambition which kills you.

  143. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 30, 2012, 23:52 #30177

    Agree with Canada when he says it's hard to blame walcott for leaving for the dough when he's seen so many of his team mates do it.And also why should the DDT the board and the rest always be the ones to make a profit, it makes a change i bet they don't like that.

  144. the rot

    Dec 30, 2012, 23:35 #30176

    Theo won't sign it and that will be gross negligence on behalf of the club..someone said in a previous post the rot began when Flamini didn't re-sign..but it was Viera leaving when the true rot set in..his last kick of a ball for Arsenal resulting in the last trophy being testament to that. Watching the home games it becomes more apparent the attendance continues to wane..so it's a great idea by Gazidis and co..to continue to sell our best players...especially someone like Theo who obviously has the potential to be the true successor to TH14..sell him and I think there really is little left..it's just a case of..you build them up..you move them on..the idea of a testimonial match will end with Giggs and Scholes in modern football. What a rotten business we follow.

  145. don froth

    Dec 30, 2012, 22:35 #30175

    still papering over serious cracks, enjoyed the game but the selling of van persie is still inexcusable....take less money and get him overseas!!!! and how on earth is Wenger getting away with recent signings/muppetts he has put on good contracts(djourou and Ramsey)....i find it unbelievable that people still go on about tidy bits of business(pv4, emmanuel. thierry etc etc) its all ten years ago. The basic truth is he has spend a fortune in recent seasons on crap, take carzola or sagna out the picture, name me a worth while signing he has made in 6 seasons!

  146. Peter Wain

    Dec 30, 2012, 20:54 #30174

    Great result for an average squad. The level of defending just awful both full backs responsible for the goals, We badly need quality centre halves full backs and a defensive midfield player. Still another win not to be sneezed at

  147. Ronster

    Dec 30, 2012, 19:43 #30173

    We shouldn't allow Feo's festive cheer to hide the fact he rarely delivers against the top teams and against defences that are savvy and well organised.How many jaw dropping moments can you recall...you know matches that really matter against adversaries that are at the top of their game? Feo's goal against Chelsea in the League Cup Final comes to mind...but how many others can you spot in the scrap book? As others have already suggested the quandry is do Arsenal Football Club continue to reward under achievement? Would he find that consistancy under say Sir Alex's tutelage? Would Wenger want to risk that humiliation?It's no longer le boss's hands.....the ball's at Feo's feet....go on son...can you show us what you're really made of!?

  148. Danny

    Dec 30, 2012, 19:31 #30172

    ok, so we beat Wigan, Reading and now a very tired Newscastle after there United game walcott can play against weak teams only when they are stretched. Defense is very poor and we need stronger midfielders as this lot is physically and mentality weak still need to see Wenger gone though

  149. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    Dec 30, 2012, 19:15 #30171

    Disaster, a run of wins against **** teams just before the transfer window opens with Southampton to come!! Cue the deluded one saying "why would I buy" only for our season to fall apart the minute we face a run of tricky games. Supporting Arsenal is like Groundhog Day when someone called the profession refuses to learn from previous lessons

  150. Bard

    Dec 30, 2012, 18:31 #30170

    Fair enough Kev but the Wally situation is a bit more complicated than money . Where is he going to get regular football. Man U, Citeh, Chelsea I dont think so. He'd be an impact player at best. Could he cope going abroad ? He'd be a fool to leave now having convinced Wenger he can play through the middle. I am not a Wally fan but fair play that was a special performance but he's hit or miss. He needs a few more of those performances to totally convince me. The real downer about yesterday was how poor Gibbs was.

  151. Rocky RIP

    Dec 30, 2012, 17:06 #30169

    @Gare - so you actually rate Giroud? Me too. I can't fathom some of our fans who keep lumping him in with some of the players at our club they want rid of. The guy is extremely promising. People who say he's slow miss the point. His awareness, first touch and movement is excellent; he holds it up well and is very good in the air. He also shows passion and appears to be a team player.

  152. CanadaGooner

    Dec 30, 2012, 16:58 #30168

    Kev, there's no ifs or buts there, the Walcott situation is all about money. So was the Nasri, Adebayor, Van Persie and several others. Only a few players in their prime have left arsenal for any other reason other than money (e.g. Fabregas). It is however very difficult to blame Walcott as he's seen so many others do it and also, why should the board be the only ones to rake in the gravvy? With yesterday's display (one off or not), we should keep him as I don't see Demba Ba doing much better than that. So, unless we can get a proven goal scorer in, best to keep Wally. Good win. Aweful aweful defending as usual.

  153. Gare Kekeke

    Dec 30, 2012, 16:24 #30167

    Credit to all involved for the win. Superb performance from Walcott. How ironic that his best form for us comes at a time of a contractual dispute with the club. What a pity. It’s the club’s fault we are in this situation. If it’s true that the club chose not negotiate a new deal with him last year because they didn’t want to pay the extra money then that’s just pathetic and typical that the club refuses to pay big to big names to achieve big. I refuse to join in the Walcott worship n the basis that he could be off within the next six months and that will be sad even if I’m not his biggest fan. And it’s the last thing the club needs, another good player leaving. Fine cameo from Giroud who I actually rate. Is it me or just a coincidence that these wins are happening without Gervinho? It will be a sad day when Wenger restores him to the staring eleven at the expense of a better player. He won’t be missed when he’s on African Cup of Nations duty very soon. The defensive problems are still an issue and sadly won’t go away until the players are coached better at it. as I’ve said before against inferior opposition at times we’ll get away with it, but against the better teams we are found wanting or is that just a figment of my imagination? I still think we lack a proper defensive midfielder as I’m not convinced on Arteta. A shame that Demba Ba could be Chelsea bound. I suppose with our ‘limited budget’ we can’t afford the £7.5m fee and the £90k wages? Having said that, he might not be worth the hassle too as he could be a football nomad thanks to his advisors who are definitely all about the Benjamins. I’m thinking Nicolas Anelka Mk II and we all know how he’s turned out even if he has been a good player over the years. A much friendlier atmosphere inside the stadium too. We don’t want or need idiots like the middle-aged twit at Wigan last week punching the teenager all because of that anti-Wenger banner. Happy New Year folks and see you at Southampton on Tuesday. Here’s hoping 2013 brings in much needed changes at The Arsenal both on and off the pitch. Up The Arsenal!

  154. Spectrum

    Dec 30, 2012, 15:58 #30166

    Mike - It seems you're happy with our past and current situation of underperforming mediocrity, with a manager ( and board ) that is content to allow it to continue.Did you support the sale of Van Persie by any chance ? If anyone is on Prozac, it's you.I bet your favourite song is "Comfortably Numb." Very appropriate. "In Arsene we rust."

  155. Rocky RIP

    Dec 30, 2012, 15:52 #30165

    @Spectrum - so in conclusion you are saying Man U are better than us and are stronger for having our best player from last season? Thanks for clearing that up. It had all gone over my head until you popped up with a transluscent explication of events. (P.S. we finished in the magical top 3 last season, a subtle but important difference, as 4th missed out on CL.) And it's Arsenal, Arsenal FC, we're by far the most mediocre team, the world has ever seen ...

  156. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 30, 2012, 15:47 #30164

    It's sad if they can only get motivated whenever Henry turns up in his private box, a great entertaining game and win with some good goals and individual performances,(it would have been a nice gesture to dedicate the goals to the fans) and it was certainly owed and due after Bradford. Some of the defending to keep allowing Newcastle to keep pegging us back was as usual nonexistent and they were still in it till the last 10 15 but arsene's philosophy of out scoring the opposition regardless of how many we concede paid off, but your right Kev it won't work against the big teams like the mancs and Bayern Munich.As for walcott a first class performance and hat trick (i just hope he doesn't place the ball on top of his xmas tree like the spud up the road)why do all our players start to perform when their contracts are running out ? Certainly more bargaining power for theo's agent's,but how long has this usual saga been running now ? If this contract was going to be signed it would have happened by now.Yes all the right noises have and are been made and the right things been said from both camps just like with cesc and rvp and we know what happened with them.If arsene really does want him to stay and walcott wants to stay somebody is going to have to blink first and as we know that's not wenger, and on this occasion like all the others walcott holds all the cards.As i said if it was going to be signed it would have been done by now i suspect his mind has already been made up a while ago. Maybe after last night he could be persuaded to change it, and applauding the fans with the match ball around the stadium last night wasn't a farewell gesture.

  157. Paddy Stood Up

    Dec 30, 2012, 15:47 #30163

    @Dazza (32805) 'Benjamins' are a slang term for 100 dollar bills which have the face of Benjamin Franklin on them. In other words "all about the Benjamins" means "all about the money" which is sadly right, regardless of what Walcott's people may feed the media claiming it's about wanting to play through the centre. That's where he is now getting his opportunity and I can't see any other top side giving him the same chance at the moment.

  158. Munchbag hat

    Dec 30, 2012, 15:45 #30162

    Interesting body language from Theo and Jack in ESPN post match interview, Jack definitely exuding disappointment. Theo and his agent definitely cashing in their chips and packing bags. Can I be the first to wish him the worst of luck?

  159. Mike

    Dec 30, 2012, 13:37 #30160

    Spectrum - go and get some prozac mate

  160. Spectrum

    Dec 30, 2012, 13:23 #30158

    Correction – it’s even worse – at least FIFTEEN points Van Persie’s winning goals have earned for United. “In Arsene we rust.”

  161. Dazza

    Dec 30, 2012, 13:21 #30157

    What does 'all about the Benjamins' mean?

  162. Spectrum

    Dec 30, 2012, 13:04 #30155

    Rocky RIP - ( quote ) "If Man U are average, then yes we are mediocre and god help everyone else. I'd say that mediocre applied to teams in mid table and lower, not one in 5th with a game in hand". Man Utd. by THEIR STANDARDS, HAVE BEEN average this season, but they have the quality players, the will to win, and a shrewd astute manager that makes up for that.We don't. Last season we made our worst start to the season in 58 years. We finished where we did ( the magical, mystical top 4 ) largely due to the efforts of one man - yes, the one who is currently helping them ( United ) to be winners again - Van Persie.And with the help of teams around us dropping points.This season we made our worst start for 30 years, and are currently 16 points behind just half way into the campaign.I'd say that definitely makes us a mediocre or average team.We could be and SHOULD BE doing much better than we are, given our resources and ( historical ) stature.The fact that we're not, tells us that it's because - "In Arsene we rust."

  163. Spectrum

    Dec 30, 2012, 12:42 #30154

    I mentioned that we are 16 points behind Man. Utd. in the league. I've counted at least five matches ( there's probably more ) in which Van Persie's goals have turned out to have been the actual WINNING ones!!! That's at least TEN points that are down to his decisive efforts. And that's not counting assists.So thanks to the clever decision to sell Robin to one of our traditional rivals, thus strengthening them at our expense - we can now see the result of this lunacy.He's also the league's top / joint top scorer ( AGAIN ).Now that Walcott's value has just increased after his hat trick performance, he holds all the bargaining power.Will we hold onto one of our better players ? What's the betting that if we do sell him, it will be to Manchester City, who are rumoured to be interested, or Chelsea ? That would be just like us, wouldn't it ? "In Arsene we rust."

  164. Chucky

    Dec 30, 2012, 12:17 #30153

    Walcott will leave in the summer and sign for Man U. He will pick up close to £200k a week including a hefty signing on bonus. It's all about the Benjamins. :-(

  165. Rocky RIP

    Dec 30, 2012, 12:09 #30152

    @Paul - Wenger didn't used to take the FA Cup any more seriously than he does now. He's always rested players for cup games. He left TH14 and Bergkamp out of the line up at Old Trafford in the fifth round in 2003, and we won the match, and the trophy. The difference is we used to make the final or win it on a regular basis between 1998-2005. It's never been his top priority, but he still wants to win it. Mediocre definition - 'of moderate to inferior quality.' If man U are average, then yes we are mediocre and god help everyone else. I'd say that mediocre applied to teams in mid table and lower, not one in 5th with a game in hand.

  166. Spectrum

    Dec 30, 2012, 12:01 #30151

    It takes Wenger months and months to finally realise what most of us non - managers have long known - play Theo in a central striker's position.Now when will the penny drop that Podolski is better suited to the same spot as well, and that he's not as effective out wide ? Let's keep things in perspective ; 1)we're on a run of easy fixtures at the moment, and have played struggling teams,whilst not being convincing .So we're expected to win these sort of games.2)Newcastle had nine players out injured - many of them first teamers.3)We had more rest time than they did, which showed in the last twenty minutes of the match - coincidentally just the same time that we scored the majority of our goals.4) We conceded three goals AT HOME.Our defence is STILL fragile, and the only way we can offset that liability is by scoring more than the opposition.Which reflects Wenger's standard "attack only and don't bother me with defending" philosophy.This won't work in the long term. Which partly explains why we are a massive 16 points off the ONLY spot that SHOULD matter - first spot ( albeit with a game in hand ).We have no chance of winning the league ( we don't even have the ambition to ), we are out of the League Cup at the hands of lowly Bradford, and are likely to be knocked out at the first hurdle by a powerful Bayern side who must be relishing the opportunity to exploit our weak defence and predictable "tactics". Oh happy days ! "In Arsene we rust."

  167. Fans Power

    Dec 30, 2012, 11:54 #30150

    Apart from our defensive frailties we played good attacking football. Most players played in their favourite positions and tactically Arsene did well yesterday. So which made cone to my title Fans Power....and possibly thanks to us (some will call whiners) as our messages seemed to have reached Arsene in one way or the other!! I somehow hope that we sorry or defence out before Bayern.

  168. HowardL

    Dec 30, 2012, 11:49 #30149

    Seems hard for the Theo 'knockers' to give him the credit he deserves, whatever he does. 3 goals and 2 assists is pretty good in my book. But I suppose you need to justify the "no football brain" comments somehow?

  169. WMG

    Dec 30, 2012, 11:49 #30148

    Good win. Wenger certainly won't buy a defender or defensive midfielder as Arsenal has won four matches in a row so nothing will change! Arsenal won't lose when it scores seven unless playing at Old Trafford :-(

  170. GoonerRon

    Dec 30, 2012, 11:46 #30147

    Assuming we and Chelsea win our games in hand we will be 6 points behind Citeh and 5 behind Chelsea. If we can keep picking up points like we have recently I don't think it is impossible to believe we can get close to the top 2. It's vital we win the next two so we go into the Citeh game full of confidence.

  171. Paul

    Dec 30, 2012, 11:29 #30146

    Rocky RIP not since 2005 has Wenger taken the FA cup seriously as he keeps telling us 4th is a bigger trophy than the FA cup.Expect a weak team at Swansea.As for a mediocre team we are only 16 point behind an average Utd side at Xmas!!!! Us mediocre?Never

  172. jamie hunter

    Dec 30, 2012, 11:06 #30145

    Fantastic second half and although the defending was as shoddy as ever, as the editor says, if we continue scoring goals like that it will be too much for most teams. But I have to ask, why the hell are we allowing walnut to shop window himself like that? For my money, giroud is more than capable of scoring enough goals for us, with the help of those that others chip in with. Ferguson or mourinho would no way let this happen, in fact walnut would probably be training with the youth team and not even going to the games. Ok, we tried to sell him in the summer, fine. But when that didn't happen it was always clear he was looking for a bosman so he shouldn't have been anywhere near the team. I don't care how many he scores, is this what arsenal have become, falling over ourselves with gratitude for these gifts from someone who doesn't want to play for us? Chamberlain will be a better player anyway, and with some of walnut's minutes on the pitch this season might have been already.

  173. Rocky RIP

    Dec 30, 2012, 10:58 #30144

    I agree that having Thierry Henry in some kind of motivational role could really work. He seems to give the place a lift. His words on the training ground seem to work. Who better to educate Theo how to make runs and score goals reminiscent of TH14 than, er, TH14? We shouldn't be niave and overlook the criminally poor defensive lapses. All 3 goals were slack and avoidable. On the plus side, 7 goals, Theo fantastic, and Giroud could be a massive player for us. (He's everything NB52 thought he was, but much better. He has the feel of a winner about him.) Not bad for a 'mediocre' team full of 'dross'. People like CanadaGooner have already ruled us out of winning the FA Cup this season. Are we really incapable of beating Swansea? We could ruin them on our day. Many FA Cup winners are inconsistent in the league but capable of putting on winning performances in one-off matches. A bit like Arsenal this season? Or will we always judge our potential by losing to Bradford on penalties? Just asking.

  174. Dan h

    Dec 30, 2012, 10:56 #30143

    Oh i forgot to say you may all be seeing Mr.Ba at the emirates very very soon!

  175. Theo Jensen

    Dec 30, 2012, 10:50 #30142

    Some great attacking performances from a few players yesterday, but this year's Newcastle are much weaker- it took a superb RvP goal and a last-minute counter attack to win 2-1 last year. They were so open it was perfect for Walcott all round, though his performance was excellent nonetheless.

  176. Dan h

    Dec 30, 2012, 10:40 #30141

    For 70 mins it could of gone either way Walcott had his best game for us & for him personally it obviously could not come at a better time.We looked shaky at times the full backs opened up defensive organisation is one thing but as a side we need to work harder closing opponents down.Podolski went a bit under the radar yesterday for obvious reasons but he also had his best game in his fledgling Arsenal career.Walcott because of his situation whatever we now offer he will be able to get more elsewhere odds on he leaves.Interesting to note Ba's performance another player in the shop window.At £7.5m someone surely will take a punt on him dangerous hard working & bullys defenders & obviously finishes well only question mark are his knee problems.A win to round the year off whatever your views on our great club have a great new year see you in the comments in 2013!

  177. John Abrehart

    Dec 30, 2012, 10:37 #30140

    Yes, a barnstorming win but strangely enough I felt more depressed than elated at the end. One factor was, and I agree with the Editor here that Theo's worth went up a couple of notches and he will not be found wanting for a few suitors now. I fear this saga will run and run, even into our usual summer 'will he/won't he' fiasco. Secondly, both full backs had nightmares of a game and that really does need sorting.

  178. Stevesam

    Dec 30, 2012, 10:33 #30139

    I am not Wally’s biggest fan, but if he can maintain this performance in every game, he could become a player. Similar to Diaby’s match winning game at Liverpool. Both players have the ability to change games or dominate but I have doubts regarding their mental strength and desire against the top teams. We have seen what these two players are capable of, but what frustrates me is, they only turn it on when they are in the right mood. ( Or looking for a new contract ) We have a tough month ahead, I shall reserve judgement on Wally until the end of the month ( Citeh, Liverpool at home and Chavski , Swansea away )and so should AW with regards a new contract, should Wally earn more than Wilshere ? I came away from the Bowl happy, just some doubts regarding Gibbs defending of the back post and communication with those tracking back to pick up players and cover. Quite noticeable that Gibbs was first down the tunnel at the end, obviously disappointed, going forward he is improving, but he needs to work on his defending. Any chance of a new left back and goalkeeper in January or shall Henry and Diaby be our only two ‘exceptional’ signings. Happy to see the late substitutions work with Giroud and Ramsey making a positive contribution. I am a big fan of Sagna, I felt he had an average game by his own high standards, perhaps he is thinking about the annual Arsenal summer, family silver, sales!

  179. Paul

    Dec 30, 2012, 10:18 #30138

    Thank you Bob Crowe.For 80 mins it was an even game.We cant defend end of.Both full backs very poor.Gibbs is worse than Clichy but what has happened to Sagna?Walcott and his agent have run rings around Wenger even a higher offer wont keep him at the club now.At least we got £25m for RVP we will get £6m for Wally in january or nothing in the summer.As for Wenger saying he doesnt want Ba that is more madness from him.Ba is quality and at £7m a snip.So 2012 ends with us 5th or lower if Everton win cant see that changing in 2013.Wenger out