Money Matters

The Great Ticket Price Debate – Part 1



Money Matters


(Ed’s note – The first of two articles on the ticket price debate. Running them both on the same day so we can move put a lid on this subject for the time being)

We hardly need reminding that we live in a world of austerity but that football operates on an entirely different planet. However, the fact that Man City had to return a third of their allocation of tickets has brought the issue into focus again. Putting aside the tabloid hyperbole, the issue is not as simple as might first appear.

It is difficult not to feel some sympathy for the City fans. After all, they generally live in Manchester, which is depressing enough for a start. Uber-rich as the sheiks are, many of City’s actual fans are understandably unwilling or unable to cover the £62 cost of a ticket, on top of travel and everything else. I can’t remember another “Category A” game not selling out the away end, but then Chelsea, Tottenham and Surrey are all a lot closer to Islington than Moss Side. Given this, the game being live on television, and the fact that we are no longer any kind of title challenger, is anyone really surprised that this has happened?

Arsenal, for its part, has defended the ticket-prices in a number of ways, some more valid than others. The argument that City are only getting charged what home fans are in the same area is irrelevant. First of all, it is an FA requirement, so the backslapping egalitarianism being spouted from our PR department is, at best, a hollow and meaningless platitude. In any event, “we fleece our own fans too” is hardly an edifying counter-argument to a legitimate complaint.

The Club has also argued, with only a modicum more legitimacy, that, in 13 away fixtures this year, our fans will be charged more than the away fans at the corresponding home fixtures. This is, of course, a consequence of the way we and other clubs categorise ticket prices according to opposition. After all, the likes of Wigan coming to Ashburton hardly has the same draw for the home support as we have to their fans when we roll into town (give it a few more years of the ongoing and abject mismanagement of the club and that might change, but that is a different rant altogether). However, even this seemingly reasonable argument is a manipulation of the simple truth behind the disparity. The Club made much of its decision to lower Category C ticket prices last year, whilst quietly increasing the Category A prices by an almost equal amount. Of course it’s a good thing that more fans, particularly youngsters, can get access to home games, but it is just supply and demand at work. Category C games were not selling out, so ticket prices had to come down. It was about the club trying to make more money, not less.

The Club’s final defence to the tabloids’ attack on its profiteering this week has been to simply say that we sell out every week, so we cannot be doing too much wrong. In all honesty, I do not know what to say about this. If it is true, it is difficult to dispute the pure economics of the argument, even if the short-termism of pricing a generation of fans out of the bond-forming experience of seeing the team live will surely come back to haunt us in years to come. However, as anybody who goes to home games regularly will know, there are empty seats all over the place at an ever increasing number of games (I write this before the City game, so will have to wait and see if the trend continues then). I have long suspected that the Club lies to us about home attendance figures, which tellingly have not been announced in the ground for a couple of years now, probably because the laughter that ensued was putting the team off. I have hypothesised before on these pages that the interest rate on our stadium loan is perhaps tied in to keeping the average attendance up, so it is in the Club’s interest to fib a little. A couple of years ago, the Club sheepishly admitted, having previously denied it, that we count tickets sold, not bums-on-seats, but surely we would try sell what we can. I have no explanation, therefore, for the fact that you cannot buy a ticket a day or two before a “sold out” game, only for a couple of thousand people apparently to just not turn up. Who are these people who are paying so much for games they do not attend? It baffles me.

Turning back to the City game, I believe the most significant factor in our pricing strategy is something that the manager himself raised in his press conference, in one of the first statements he has made in a number of seasons that I actually agreed with (again, another rant for another day). Rightly or wrongly (ahem, it is “wrongly” if you were wondering), we have spurned Usmanov’s billions and Silent Stan does not want to put his to work. Our self-sustaining model therefore requires an exceptional match-day income just to cover our wage-bill. In part, that is because of Wenger’s champagne socialist approach to the wage-structure. Just think what we are going to spend in February on the wages of Denilson, Bendtner, Chamakh, Djourou and Park – none of whom are likely to play for us again, but all of whom are on such big contracts that nobody in their right mind would match their salaries. However, as Arsène said, the wage inflation of recent seasons is also in large part down to the sugar daddy business model started by Chelsea and taken to a whole new level by City themselves.

In no other business, in no other industry, can mediocrity be as richly rewarded as it is at City. Players who get nowhere near their first team are suddenly on money that would make a banker blush. The trickle-down effect is that we are held over a barrel by the likes of Walcott for £5m plus a year. Don’t get me wrong; I think Theo is having a good season and I hope he stays. Still, the sums just do not add up and with UEFA already back-sliding on financial fair play, it shows no signs of changing. I would suggest, therefore, that the City fans who have been complaining about Arsenal so vociferously this week would be better off looking to their own players, many of whom are directly responsible for the amount we have to charge them in order to make ends meet. Some of their reserves could pay for their entire ticket allocation out of their weekly wage packet.

So, as I say, feel a little sympathy for the City fans, but not too much. It is their club that is the worst culprit in indulging the worst excesses in our game, which in turn has led to the £62 match ticket. It’s us Arsenal fans that I really feel sorry for. At least City fans have a good chance of being rewarded with a trophy or two in exchange for their pound of flesh.


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  1. Ron

    Jan 21, 2013, 12:21 #31068

    Theres really no debate. The price is a rip off for home and away fans alike. This 'cateogory' system needs re visiting and hopefully dropping. Why are Liverpool still Cat A for eg? Theyre hardly box office and havent been title challengers aince 2009 and their decline is as marked as ours surely plus theyve no players who would remotely get me salivating and havent had for years?

  2. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Jan 20, 2013, 16:52 #31018

    Stan already is rich. What I'm worried about is what happens if like the late Mr Fiszman, Stan meets with an accident. If you think that he couldn't care what happens to our club, just watch what happens when some multinational takes it off his hands. Crucially, the owner will not have seen Mr Wenger's suicidal substitution or realised what a dope he is for making it. WE have to remove this manager because no one else will do so.

  3. CanadaGooner

    Jan 20, 2013, 16:06 #31017

    Wenger's NEW ARSENAL: from an unbeaten/invincible season we now start each and every season knowing we will lose these 6 matches:vs chealsea, man utd and man city (both HOME & AWAY); and we know we will lose another 6 to 8 matches against Spurs and Liverpool AWAY and any other team willing to put in a hard shift against arsenal is now also guranteed some points. But here's the kicker: surprisingly some people still think we dont need a new manager?! BIZARRE!!!

  4. Peter Wain

    Jan 20, 2013, 15:38 #31016

    Another awful display against a top side. Quite why Sagna is in before Jenkinson after his first half performance I do not know. Why Gibbs is at the club at all after his terrible first half is open to debate. The shambles that is our defence rumbles on with no sign of any willingness to address the issue. Up front Walcott demonstarted why he should not be on £100k a week player and Giroud showed how a French third division player plays. Another great sucess in the transfer market Wenger. Second half 2 -0 down we started to play thanks to Wiltshire. As for our fourth place trophy it looks like tenth is the best we can do. Another couple of transfer windows and Wenger will have us playing for the fourth from bottom trophy. Kroenke out now.

  5. Arsene Wenger we want u to stay sing Chelsea fans

    Jan 20, 2013, 14:35 #31015

    62 points is our very best hope now and a respectable 6th behind Spurs and Everton. if we could only get the Mandy Dodds of our support to realise just how bad we are these days...

  6. SHAMBOLIC

    Jan 20, 2013, 14:04 #31014

    30 mins in and what i have seen so far V chelsea really upsets me. Sagna has lost it. the defending is awful. I dont know why there are still people on this site who dont see how badly we need change and quickly.......... i dont care if we scramble a draw today ive seen enough in 30 mins to remind me how bad we are....

  7. Badly Managed

    Jan 20, 2013, 9:08 #31013

    Dont get side-tracked. if you really want to go to a game then I will lend you the money. I prefer you all focus on HOW THE CLUB IS BEING MANAGED. You can be bigger or smaller than Arsenal but the key is how you are managed. This is where we should all be far mroe united in our criticsism of the club over the last 7 years because we have been managed badly in so many respects. - Poor Sponsorship Deals done for such a great stadium / top tier club name + history. - a long line of mediocre players bought by the club and overpaid and kept too long. far too soft a policy on failures. - a Dys****al ownership/board where there is no proper dialogue with Mr Usmanov who owns 34% of the club and is kept on the outside. Not even intelligent enough to take an interest free from one of richest men around and pay down the Emirates loan. -a Board that does not keep itself seperate from the Manager so that the Manager knows he is under pressure to deliver / do his job. a situation developed where manager effectively controls the club, holds it to randsom. - no good use of past players like Adams/Keown/Berkhamp who love the club, are winners but kept at arms length. i could go on all day

  8. Greater fan ownership is the only way forward

    Jan 19, 2013, 19:35 #31011

    There is obviously a delicious irony in the fact that it's Citeh's fans that complained/boycotted. And the way Arsenal have been singled out for condemnation is rather typical. Selective condemnation once again. Arsenal fans get ripped off wherever they go, but nobody in the media (or any linesmen) highlight this. However, I think we need to separate the fans from the people running the football clubs. Fans can't be held responsible for the actions of greedy boards, whatever the club. City fans spoke for fans everywhere who feel ripped, alienated and priced out, so I'm glad they've put it on the agenda - just don't blame Arsenal when teams like Norwich charge extortionate prices too and Citeh charged us £55(?)! Alsace's comment that 'We need to find a consortium of wealthy arsenal fans who will together with the fans, launch a bid for the club' presents a footballing utopia. That's why we need to back Arsenal fanshare, however small 81 shares (and rising) may seem. It can snowball. Fan ownership v ownership by an uncaring American in it to make himself rich - tough call.

  9. Knock it long to Raphael Meade

    Jan 19, 2013, 17:23 #31009

    Glowey, you've watched "The Meaning Of Life" once too often. And here was me thinking that true, fair - minded, long term City fans would display more sense, a sense of humour, and more than that, agreement of principle with similar Arsenal supporters. It will be a shame if City's old brigade turn out to be as embittered and carrying the same sense of entitlement as their red cousins near the ship canal.

  10. Robert Exley

    Jan 19, 2013, 14:48 #31007

    I've got little in the way of sympathy for City fans on this one. Part of the reason why clubs are charging admission fees that make no market sense is because two clubs with money from outside the game are fuelling players wages that make no market sense, causing clubs to pay players wages that make no market sense in order to keep them (Theo Walcott 100K a week? Seriously?). City have got a team of superstars and their fans pay the lowest admission fees to see them at home. They'll have to see paying £62 to see their club at Arsenal as blowback for their petrodollar fuelled rise to the top. If they want sympathy they should look in the dictionary, I believe it is somewhere between **** and Syphillis

  11. jjetplane

    Jan 19, 2013, 13:31 #31005

    Lots of Citeh fans have no idea of the predicament they are in and of course you have the yuppie come latelys turning up now and claiming their Moss Side roots. Like rabbits in front of cars they will wonder what happened if this is a trophyless season though the thought of the Surrey mob of Salford picking it up cause everyone else is **** is a bit of a mare. Am I not jealous of what the Germans are doing. **** like Citeh & Chelski are making even the NY Yankees look at least subhuman. There always be a North Bank na na na na na nah ....

  12. DJBlue

    Jan 18, 2013, 22:51 #30993

    It's a funny old game football. Once upon a time a small group of very greedy clubs 'persuaded' UEFA to start something called the Champions League. Not a league for Champions of course but a competition that would serve to make the rich richer and to keep everyone else in their place. A bit like the Premier League, creating a rich elite whilst the others scrambled for crumbs. One of the clubs had very greedy directors who turned in their shares for massive personal gain. And then one day, several other clubs came along with rich benefactors and suddenly that small group of rich, self satisfied clubs, who kept winning the league year in, year out (apart from one who hadn't won anything for a very long time) found that they could no longer compete. So they started to whinge and complain to their friends in UEFA in order to prevent competition once and for all. Apparently it's all about 'history', about a 'right' to win trophies rather than anything else. Yet ironically, because their attempts to close out competition for good, the new clubs were forced to spend over the odds, and very quickly, in order to secure their place at the high table, before the draw-bridge was raised for evermore. But the old greedy clubs didn't like this spending one bit. Despite the over-whelming debt of one and the greedy directors of the other, they decided to embark on a policy of non-competition, with flagrant disregard to both European and UK law. Which of course, won't work. And the most arrogant club of all can only whinge and complain when it's time for tea and medals, blaming everyone else for its woes. Despite the fact this club was one of original architects of a system that was built on greed and self-preservation, a system that served to increase turnover for a small group of elite clubs whilst the rest had to be satisfied with whatever was left. The greedy clubs wanted it both ways. They were quite content to accept large cash injections whenever it was offered but the UEFA trough was only ever going to be big enough for a few, bloated snouts. And they really didn't want anything to upset the status quo. But, in the end, the greedy clubs didn't win. And everyone else could continue to dream. And live happily ever after.

  13. Alsace Lorraine De Totteridge

    Jan 18, 2013, 22:00 #30991

    I very much enjoyed Mr Glowey's remarks. It really is grim up north and it is no surprise to see him letting his 14 children starve for the sake of his following the dull dull blues of Manchester. If it wasn't that it would be gin or the smallest sherry before dinner I suppose. I used to feel some sympathy for City fans that their club had been hijacked, but I think that the erroneous "Van Persie is ours" chants at the game last season, made me see that the most vocal of their support suffer every bit as much from the Thousand year reich syndrome of their mancunian diabolist cousins. More seriously and pertinently, the club's desire is to have the ground inhabited by the same non sports fans who snort champagne and canapes at Wimbledon and ignore the tennis. Hence the prices. We need to get rid of this lousy management and I don't just mean our glorious leader. We need to find a consortium of wealthy arsenal fans who will together with the fans, launch a bid for the club. The thought of telling the present leadership to pick up their P45's seems to me like many Christmasses and birthdays all rolled into one. The rich octane smell of kicking out a lousy useless administration is one that we all need to enjoy. Man City's fans will get their comeuppance as soon as the arab spring hits the gulf states, and perhaps then they will be once again become the pleasant individuals that we used to know. I do not envy them their position one bit as it is in reality, far worse than our own.

  14. Glowey

    Jan 18, 2013, 20:46 #30985

    As a City supporter, I cannot see what the problem of £62.00 a ticket is, its a free market and Arsenal can charge what they like. Just as supporters can buy or not as they choose, market forces and all that. Living as I do, in a cardboard box, in the shadow of a derelict mill, the rain teeming down on the rosy red ceeks of my fourteen children, each begging for at least a stale crust of bread to quiet their hunger swolen stachs, I personally have no problem paying the price of watching our team of multi millionnaires at away fixtures. After all we live such a miserable existance up t'north we have to have something to brighten our lives. As for our inflating wages in recent seasons, this is the same spurious argument spouted by the rags at the swamp. In oreder to attract players to a non CL club, we had to pay inexcess of what the top clubs were paying, just so we could play catch up with those top clubs. You'll find this out in a season or so, when you no longer qualify, it will be a case of pay the going rate or, don't attract the best players oh, hang on, you don't do that anyway, do you? How soon you forget the kind of wages you must have had to offer to the likes of Vieira, Ljunberg, Wright, Adams, Campbell, Bergkamp et al, to either attract them to you in the first place or, keep them once they'd signed for you. Pot, Kettle, Black I'd say.

  15. Paul

    Jan 18, 2013, 20:15 #30982

    If there was no City Arsenal would still charge the highest ticket prices in the world.The Emirates was not built to help us compete with Barca Madrid and City as we were told by the board it was built as a cash cow to make money.Kroenke has not put one penny in the club.There is no i repeat no defence for charging £62 for a football match live on tv.No trophies highest ticket prices in the world.Work it out