Anti-football gets its just rewards

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Anti-football gets its just rewards

Pulis: Entertaining (in the technical area)


Stoke did not take up their full away supporters’ allocation at Arsenal. And no wonder. Anyone spending their time travelling to watch their unique brand of football needs to take a good look at how they derive their pleasure. The most entertaining aspect of the team is watching manager Tony Pulis gesticulating on the touchline, his council estate garb adding to the humour of the man.

It was rotation time for Arsenal, with Cazorla and Podolski on the bench, as Oxlade-Chamberlain and Mikel Arteta came into the side. Additionally, the new signing, Nacho Monreal, started at left back. Andre Santos was on the bench, as efforts to sell him to a Turkish club on Friday failed because he could only achieve a wage of £30,000 a week there. More interesting was Sebastien Squillaci’s rejection of a rest of season loan deal to Brighton. He would still have got the money he is on now, with Arsenal playing the bulk of it. However, faced with the choice between a meaningful footballing challenge for the next four months, or enjoying the comforts of the Colney crèche (copyright Myles Palmer), he opted for the easy life. That is the kind of motivated individual that Arsene Wenger purchased in the summer of 2010. A different style of manager would have either made Squillaci up his game to the level where he was competing for a first team spot, or ensured his life was such a misery he would want to get out at the first opportunity. However, he is not the only one who has not been challenged and just got comfortable, going nowhere until his overpaid contract runs out. What a waste.

Other transfer developments were that a deal was agreed for Atletico Bilbao’s Fernando Amorebieta, but the player did not want to move. If he had, then apparently Monreal would not have been purchased, as Bilbao were in turn lining up Monreal and would have used the Amorebieta money to sign him. Arsenal upped their bid for David Villa to £15.5 million, but Barcelona didn’t even bother responding, so short was it of their valuation (and reflective that they can afford to maintain a decent player as back up).

So there was some attempt at doing transfer business, but looking at the gulf between Arsenal and the league leaders, one can only hope that the huge amounts left untouched in the player trading account are being saved for a new manager in the summer. The club obviously did not really go the extra mile in their dealings. The fantasy being a tacit agreement that Arsene Wenger has agreed to hand over the reins in the summer and go to Paris St Germain. The Frenchman has not actually been offered a contract renewal as it stands. And even Ivan Gazidis, reporting to Stan Kroenke, must be aware of the general level of dissatisfaction with the line that Champions League qualification is some kind of trophy. It is getting harder for him the peddle his familiar lines about Arsenal’s priority as being to win things, given the evidence.

As for Monreal, he looked generally tidy and positionally good, although in fairness Arsenal’s defence had an easy afternoon. The long ball to lone forward Crouch was dealt with easily enough. So really, it was a matter of waiting for the breakthrough. Three very decent opportunities were created in the first half, two of them being fired straight at Begovic, who had a very good match. There is speculation he will join Manchester United in the summer. Theo Walcott had a good game from wide and actually put in a decent number of quality crosses. There are still moments of frustration, but the return we are getting from the player is definitely improving. Abou Diaby is slowly beginning to show touches of the early season form we witnessed. If he can remain fit and continue in this vein, it will give the manager some options and allow him to rest players in need of a break, as he did with Cazorla yesterday.

The second half saw more of the same. Arsenal pressure, cynical fouls from Stoke. Bringing on Podolski and Cazorla turned the tide, and the former netted a free kick that went through the wall. Fortunately, Chris Foy overruled his linesman who considered Theo Walcott had been actively offside. I’ve not seen anything of the game on TV and they weren’t replaying it on the stadium screen, but I am informed the linesman is an idiot.

So it was job done. Not many will watch the full 90 minutes of this one again on Arsenal player, but points are everything at this stage of the season, and with both Everton and Chelsea dropping them unexpectedly, a top four place is still very much within reach. As for Stoke, they will remain mid-table, and be back to entertain us next season. Tony Pulis is achieving his targets, and one suspects has a job at the Britannia for as long as he does. And we think we are suffering!

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  1. ADKB

    Feb 06, 2017, 8:19 #97819

    If you think Wenger will resign at any time or under any circumstances you are deluded. I read a tweet yesterday that he's been paid £100m by the club since he last won the title. He's also totally deluded himself, dismissive of the fact that his methods don't work any more and still believes he can succeed. That aside he makes loads of money for Kronke who doesn't give a toss about trophys or investing in the team. I despise Chelski and Abramovich but I'd take their blueprint right now rather than the Groundhog Day **** we have to put up with.

  2. mbg

    Feb 04, 2017, 14:46 #97749

    There you are rose tinted, you've just seen/witnessed another 30 plus flaws (and their not new ones either)is that enough for you ? or did you miss them. wenger out now.

  3. Offside

    Feb 03, 2017, 22:12 #97740

    So Kante decided that the best chance of holding onto his Premier League title was to joing the team that had finished 10th and was bringing in a new manager with no experience of the English league, rather than joining the team that had finished 2nd with a manager who has 20 years of PL experience. That says it all. Even when Arsenal are theoretically in a stronger position, players don't really rate the club as the place to go to win league titles.

  4. fieldyj

    Feb 03, 2017, 18:55 #97736

    Yawn and huff - sorry guys but this over the hill waste of time is not going nowhere soon - expect 5 nil loss at The Bridge and a 2 year new contract to put the boot in to us who have had enough - #WENGEROUT

  5. RegW

    Feb 03, 2017, 15:10 #97724

    So Clouseau' s admission is that we couldn't compete with Leicester signing a player from Caen! Like many of his ramblings not really thought through and the reality is we were probably looking at the star of the French 5 a side league!! It's a cock up on so many levels at the Arse!

  6. mbg

    Feb 03, 2017, 14:45 #97723

    TE, funny how it always comes out that TOF has tried to sign these players when they've been safely installed elsewhere, trying to make out that he worked hard and tried his best, who the f**k does this old slabber think he's talking to ? I wouldn't believe a word he spits out of his mouth. wenger out.

  7. jeff wright

    Feb 03, 2017, 14:09 #97718

    Everything at AFC is controlled by Wenger ,he even interviewed Ivan the lie-spinner for his CEO job . No other manager at any club ,even Ferguson at United, has ever had this sort of power. The top 4 trophy that Wenger and our players once celebrated winning after finishing 4th as though they had won the league says all you need to know about what the priorities are under Syrupy's regime at AFC . Kante given a choice of joining us or Chelsea would, along with any player with any ambition other than to make money, have been aware of this situation at AFC . Wenger can't have done his home work on Xackha who must surely be rated for the money Wenger paid one of his worst ever signings.WHen the next manage takes over from Wengo he first job will be to ry and off-load all the deadwood on long contracts and big wages that Wenger leaves him . At least he only has to deal with the fact that no top trophies have been won at the club since the last time the cows came home. It's not a having to replace super-successful Ferguson at United scenario that a new manager faces at AFC.

  8. TonyEvans

    Feb 03, 2017, 13:49 #97716

    I read today that Wenger says he tried to sign Kante twice, one attempt pre and one during his spell at Leicester. No details given at all so I assume it was down to the usual penny pinching, and we end up a pale imitation (Xhaka). No surprise that Chelsea are top with Kante, and we are in the usual battle for a top four spot is it. So Kante joins a long list of quality players that Wenger has 'tried' to sign. Why Wenger comes out with this stuff is beyond me - who does he think it will impress? It's certainly no excuse for the second rate players we usually end up with when he does actually manage to close a deal.

  9. Yes its Ron

    Feb 03, 2017, 11:41 #97712

    akb - so very true. If a rugby player at that level went into a game not 'mentally ready', they could seriously be gambling with their lives. These footballers are sickening arent they. The money has rotted Clubs like Arsenal. Its ironic really, as back in those days when Wenger started the rubbish about 'financial doping' and many of the fans followed his daft lead in condemning Chelsea and Citys owners et al they forgot to recognise that such owners rarely allow mentally unready teams to put the Clubs kit on and if they do see it occurring, they do some thing about it.

  10. Arseneknewbest

    Feb 03, 2017, 9:53 #97708

    At least we're being held up as a prime example of what not to do by good coaches. Eddie Jones says in this morning's Guardian (sorry Jeff - I know you don't read centre right papers...) that "if we (the England Rugby team that is) start the game against France like Arsenal did on Tuesday, we will be in trouble". No sh*t sherlock - now there's a perceptive man. No wonder they've been unbeaten for ages. Expect them to start like a train against France tomorrow and keep it going til the 80 minutes are up. I think EJ knows he would not last 5 minutes if he said his team were not ready. Chalk and cheese.

  11. Bard

    Feb 03, 2017, 9:49 #97707

    Comments emanating from the board suggest my previous post wasnt too far off the mark. However although I dont think Wenger can cut it as a manager anymore I agree with the posters who say he is a basically honourable man. He must see that there is no win for him staying on except increasing ridicule and £8m a year !!!!!

  12. GoonGer

    Feb 03, 2017, 9:31 #97706

    Yes agree, very disheartening John Cross's propaganda piece in the Mirror about how everything is all rosey and the club are in a fantastic position!! ManCity and Man U have brought in two top managers who are below Arsenal , he says!! They been in their posts 6 months, Mr Cross. Not 13 years of project failure. Think Kev,your promise that he was offski at the end of the aeason is wrong. Without the banners and protests Arsene is staying!

  13. Arseneknewbest

    Feb 03, 2017, 9:28 #97704

    Redshirtwhitesleeves - "We never had it so good" - the favourite phrase of those who've always had it better. The previous board of old public schoolboys also deserve the harshest criticism for selling their soul and enabling the current money-grubbing regime. Let's face it, the club is in a capitalist quagmire of greed and inequality- no wonder we're hated by others so vehemently. Jeff extreme-right: What's the solution comrade? - do tell. You can't blame this one on ethnic minorities and immigration.

  14. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Feb 03, 2017, 8:54 #97703

    Worrying report this morning that the board are genuinely baffled by the fans anger as according to them 'we have never had it so good'. Says it all really. Unbelievable to anyone with a brain yet so typically Arsenal. God help us

  15. markymark

    Feb 03, 2017, 7:28 #97702

    RobG / Paulward It's a hard one to call, I spotted on ArsenalTV that people in the background were shouting Wenger out. Ty probably worried for his own safety conducted an interview "blaming the rain" very late into the evening in what was then an empty ground. My personal view is he has said we will win the title in the next 3 years. He is obviously fundamentally failing in this regard I suspect he'll call time at the end of the season. Though I suspect Kronke wants to keep him there is something happening we know that at least one manager has been approached.

  16. RobG

    Feb 02, 2017, 21:46 #97700

    Fine piece Simon. But the blunt truth is, that this Club/Board is TERRIFIED of change. So they will cling to Wenger regardless, for at least another two years. Yes ! - we should have moved on : and we should have moved on - two or more years ago. But regardless of what is the verdict in May - this club is 'Arsene FC' - not - sadly - Arsenal FC. So two more years it is. And the sheep in the stadium will bleat their approval. We have to fall a lot further before we start to rise. So get ready for the fall !

  17. CORNISH GOONER

    Feb 02, 2017, 19:35 #97699

    Well for a Simon Rose article it started very well didn't it? An AKB converted at last? Nah, more like Simon Confused.com! So Clouseau has to go at some point does he? I have inside info.that he has on his very large executive desk a signed photo of DAME VERA LYNN herself & alongside a framed thought "Age is only a number". So, there you have it - only another 33 years to go? Oh, the horror!!

  18. Paulward

    Feb 02, 2017, 18:30 #97696

    Think Wenger will inform the board of his intention to stand down shortly after we are eliminated by Bayern Munich, my guess is the news will be kept from the fans and players until our top four position is confirmed or not as the case may be.Despite me wanting Wenger out I still believe him to be basically an honourable man, so my take is that he will call it a day, and it won't really matter what the board thinks. I know we've been here before but it looks and smells different this time, and I sense an air of resignation in Wengers post match musings after recent setbacks.

  19. mbg

    Feb 02, 2017, 18:15 #97694

    GazFootballNerd, welcome to the real world, a lot of us have known and came to that conclusion a long time ago, unfortunately others are only waking up to it now. wenger out.

  20. mbg

    Feb 02, 2017, 18:04 #97692

    markymark, nice one, that post made me laugh out loud, i'm not kidding, what a complete p***k he is, there's no other way to describe him, if anyone's on drugs it's him and the rest of those moonies.

  21. mbg

    Feb 02, 2017, 15:15 #97690

    jj, sounds like Ken Dodds diddy woman has really lost the plot since she waved her tickle stick on here, no sign of jamerson, bubble or squeak on there ? or any other site ? he'd hardly keep/use the same moniker, but just like on here it wouldn't be very hard to recognise him and know who it was. wenger out.

  22. King Jeremy

    Feb 02, 2017, 14:42 #97689

    Wow, is this Simon Rose, the last great AKB, coming down off that fence? About time you saw the light Simon. Simon, his tenure would be far more palatable is we had actually competed for the league. Instead what we have had for the last 3 years is a flattery to deceive - touching the top spot very briefly before falling gradually further and further away as the same management (yes, management) failings reveal themselves again. Then, usually around Februay-March, when the title remains winnable only mathematically they seem to wake up and rally, which leaves Wengers disciples with the impression that we somehow fought valiantly and were in the title race until the end. The reality is sadly different as the points between differential between us and the eventual champions unquestioningly demonstrates. Even last year, with (bar 2 players) his self-proclaimed best ever group, he could not beat Leicester City to the title, because under his stewardship we again failed to amass beyond our "par" of mid-70's points. His failings are many and varied, but chief among them is his unwillingness or inability to change or accept change around him. Henry was shown the door when his presence threatened to overshadow him. Keown was similarly moved out when he gained credit for the run to the CL final. He has proven that he will not change, and, as a result, neither will our fortunes in the next 2 seasons if he is given a new contract. But I suspect that is what will happen and the board are just waiting for the politically acceptable time to do so. Until then, we will continue to see performances like Southampton away, only to be followed in swift order by those of the Watford type.

  23. GazFootballNerd

    Feb 02, 2017, 14:06 #97688

    It seems that the last two seasons and what we have experienced so far of this one have led to the conclusion that we will never truly challenge for the really top honours again; in fact recent performances suggest regression. I have accepted that the modern game caught up with Arsene a long time ago, and it is starting to feel as if e is now being left behind. I agree wholeheartedly that change is needed and that there would be no point whatsoever in Arsene being offered or accepting a new contract; but along with others who have commented I am not convinced the ownership/ board operate with a major focus on football success. I suspect that only when attendances drop and/ or Champions League qualification isn’t achieved will they act as a result of the impact on their precious bottom line.

  24. markymark

    Feb 02, 2017, 13:36 #97687

    My God Tony (the Walzer) Atwood is off his chump. His latest false indignation is to claim that journalists are insinuating that Arsenal players have been put on medication. All because the Telegraph dared to question the role of the All Blacks Ceri Evans. The guys a Psychologist (they don't dispense drugs) Tony's straw man arguament is yet another pathetic attempt to cover up for Wengo's failings.

  25. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    Feb 02, 2017, 13:32 #97686

    Unfortunately Wenger is not the only problem is he. We have got a bean counter in Gazidis and an owner in kroenke that are only interested in profit, and another groundhog season will do very nicely thank you for them. I really think they will only consider making a change if the fans make enough noise and create enough uproar. I doubt very much with all the Wenger fan boys and tourists in the stadium that this will happen. I think once 4th place is secured the new 2 year extension will be announced. Like others on here, I would take absolute ANYONE instead of Wenger if only for everything not to be so mind numbingly predictable. Let's face it we can all write the story of every season before it even starts, it seems only Wenger himself and his blind followers expect anything different to happen. Allegri would do VERY nicely for me

  26. mbg

    Feb 02, 2017, 13:18 #97685

    And his lucky coming up smelling of roses again win in the cup certainly did not deserve him any respect, let alone a new contract, all respect was gone then, it was way to late for all that then also, even more so now, regardless of what happens, what he flukes or what others gift us/him this season nothing will change (he's still way past his sell by date, and always has been, just three years more with the stench getting worse) he still has to go, it will still be wenger out.

  27. jjetplane

    Feb 02, 2017, 12:30 #97683

    Call me plastic but those kids up front for Pep last night are pure sick bro (good for you non-grimers) and can Pep make 2 his at least leaving Totts and Klopp to fight over the other 2 places. i am sticking with serene old man Wenger (plastic passion) coming 5th and no trophies. You know things are heading south when Atwood is leaving Untold for Aussie land until Asano win the PL. Obviously with all the 'pirate jiving' (see dildo) he aims to live along time. Who remembers Mandy who posted here for a week or two. She is totally off the rails with conspiracies and my favourite is that the officials are hijacking Arsenal because they hate the beauty that it is and it is their persecution of Wengo (greatest Arsenal manager ever ...) that is doing us season in and out. Think she is saying Lord Wengo should sacrifice himself at the Ems altar and maybe the refs will leave poor Asano alone. Awwwww ..... Simon - all you have to do is say Wengo is ****e and we will give you your W.O.B. card and a picture of Alexander Waverley as opposed to one of an ostrich in the wilds of Tottersbride.

  28. Gunner Rob

    Feb 02, 2017, 12:28 #97682

    Bard provides the most depressing yet accurate assessment of what is likely to happen.

  29. TonyEvans

    Feb 02, 2017, 12:21 #97681

    I love the way Wenger says the team 'wasn't mentally prepared' as if that somehow absolves him of any blame! The excuses are becoming more bizarre (which I didn't think was possible) and I would take anyone over Wenger. As others have said though whether this would be enough (with Yankee Stan still pulling the strings) is debatable. Absolutely nothing to lose though surely. Ron - good to see you back by the way.

  30. Yes its Ron

    Feb 02, 2017, 11:57 #97680

    Hi Simon. Glad youve seen the light but Wengers teams have rarely played for 90 mins since the so called invincible s. Even that team didnt put 90 min shifts in. They often didnt need to. They had the players to win games in aggressive bursts and then to saunter through. Lets face it though, it was a far weaker league back then. There was only ever Utd and Liverpool who could give us a game really back then. Wengers been deluded enough to think he can do the same this last 10 or 11 years with massively inferior players and a fair few useless players too. Theres no doubt he 'chooses' games in which to put it in. His arrogant players are as deluded as him as hes let them think theyre 'top top' players, when they clearly arent and havent been for years, hence the half baked, half witted performances and surrenders that have gone on for years. Wenger needed sacking 6-7 years back and any other supposed top Club would have given him his cards.

  31. mbg

    Feb 02, 2017, 11:55 #97679

    The Greatest load of AKB bollocks I've read for a while, way to long and drawn out. A FRESH reason to believe TOF's time at Arsenal has finally run it's course ? so all the others weren't/aren't enough then ? (obviously not for AKB's)it has taken a fresh one. So this new wenger flaw you talk about it's never been there before then ? it's just arisen ? you make it sound like these flaws and reasons have just materialised and came to light, of course you'd have seen your messiah's lucky win in his arse, face, career saving cup final (a cup he and AKB's treated with disdain) as affording him a new contract (what AKB wengerite wouldn't) and another three year deal, and no doubt you would this time too, waffle all you like but you and your ilk would keep him in the blink of an eye again. wenger out regardless.

  32. The Man From UNCLE

    Feb 02, 2017, 11:00 #97675

    The Wengerites are starting to resemble the Labour Party. Rats deserting a sinking ship. However, only boycotting the games will make any difference. I for one will gladly take 5th place if it means getting that old fraud out. Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea, Spurs have all shown that missing out on one season's CL is nothing in the bigger picture. AND.....a new manager will only work if AW is out of Arsenal altogether, instead of hanging around like a bad smell, "advising" the new bod.

  33. Bard

    Feb 02, 2017, 10:50 #97674

    I think we are missing the point here guys. Tuesday was a shocker if you care about winning but Arsenal couldnt give a monkeys about winning and havent for years. The goal is to keep the money rolling in so Stan can use the club as leverage to support other projects. Even if we miss out on 4th spot it can easily be spun as a blip in a long a glittering career, so lets give Wenger another chance. All this guff about Allegri is beside the point. If Wenger refuses to sign a new deal they will I suspect move him upstairs and hire someone who will do the same thing. Believing the idea that another manager is going to come in and start chasing titles a is as deluded as thinking Wenger is capable of winning the PL.

  34. John F

    Feb 02, 2017, 10:13 #97673

    Good and fair post Simon.As for not preforming for the entire match Danny Murphy said yesterday that he has spoken to a few ex arsenal players and they said Wenger never has a go at players for under performing.In my experience if you have a manager who does not pull people up for not giving their best this feeds down to the rest of the staff.It causes division and complacency and you get little cliches forming.I have noticed during the games players having a go each other and as Alasce said yesterday this really does have echos of the 85/86 side before GG took over.The team has no leaders on the pitch and Wenger with his father figure type management certainly can't lead.It is time for a strong manager to come in who gets the respect of the players and Allegri does seem to fit the bill.

  35. jeff wright

    Feb 02, 2017, 9:51 #97671

    This Stan Kroenke would have fired Wenger if he had lost the FA Cup final is a theory based on very flimsy, or even wishful thinking. Wenger had achieved what Stan pays him for that season by qualifying for the Champions League cash cow midweek TV show . The FA Cup is just a sideshow there is no way that old Syrupy was going to fire Wenger if he HAD failed to win the FA Cup after he had qualified for Europe yet again this is really just delusional nonsense. Wenger did worse last season than not winning the FA Cup ,he failed to win the Prem from a very favourable position - but he is still with us. I will believe he has gone when it happens. If he wins his top 4 trophy this season it would not surprise me if some excuses are cobbled together to give another 2 years to the malevolent malfunctioning Monsieur. Mass protests at games might work the oracle to get him out but it only needs a couple of good results to renew the faith for committed AKB's and the Arsenal Circulars ,carefully crafted to claim that Arsene is despite all the evidence to the contrary actually doing well, will resurface like turds do in a cesspit. You couldn't make it up.

  36. Exeter Gunner

    Feb 02, 2017, 9:50 #97670

    It isn't a 'new flaw', Simon. The team have had matches they thought they only need to turn up to win, then desperately tried to rescue it, for years. You've just seen a concentrated burst of it lately. You're just trying to portray it as a 'new flaw' as the realisation that he needs to go has dawned on you much later than many of us - you're trying to save face. But at least you've got there. Though I do also think you're trying to say 'Allegri or nothing' so if we don't get him, we might as well sign Wenger on again...

  37. Bard

    Feb 02, 2017, 9:27 #97669

    Welcome Simon. Its taken a long time for the penny to drop. You somehow seem to have missed the many other times we havent turned up in the last decade. Roll on Sat. The result will be a game changer either way. I am sure the board want to resign him. the question is how to spin it to us fans.

  38. gooner.ed

    Feb 02, 2017, 9:25 #97668

    Welcome to the dark side Mr Rose. It's taken a few years, but you got here eventually! The two domestic cup exits in 2012-13 to lower league opposition should have been the final straw after consistent embarrassments since 2008.

  39. Up For Grabs Now

    Feb 02, 2017, 9:08 #97667

    All very well written and thought out, only one problem, our owner doesn’t give two hoots about actually winning the PL or CL! It would be much easier for him to retain Wenger, because like Wenger, the bottom line is more important to him than going all out to be the best! I know that any other manager would be able to get more out of the same players, but chances are he would want his own players, which would cost shed loads of money. Not sure Stan would want that, in fact I am sure he wouldn’t, because with Arsenal currently being an obscenely cash rich club, this helps him with his projects in the USA, as a sort of unspoken collateral guarantee, if things get too stretched financially over there. Hope you are right, but having experienced years of my club ripping off its own supporters since the American came on board, he and Wenger will think they can carry on with further groundhog seasons for years to come! Whilst vocal opposition to Wenger remains minimal, a new contract will be on the table soon, and we can all look forward to more of the same!

  40. CBee

    Feb 02, 2017, 9:00 #97666

    When he signed that last contract,he said, "I will win Premier League title with Arsenal again inside three years" So mission failed by the looks of it and one more reason for the specialist in failure to not sign another contract.

  41. markymark

    Feb 02, 2017, 7:46 #97665

    Err. Simon are we all on the same page at last? Ps: Arsenalknewbest I've just read my post in the previous thread, it suggests that I'm accusing you of drinking Potato Juice. I did in fact mean Jamerson. Glad that I could clear that up.

  42. tp

    Feb 05, 2013, 9:45 #31513

    Well considering Monreal is was born in Pamplona its highly unlikely Athletic Bilbao were going to sign him as they only play and sign players born in the Basque region of Spain. So that whole part of your post is rubbish.

  43. John

    Feb 04, 2013, 21:26 #31509

    Am i the only person who thinks that letting Squillaci go out on loan without a replacement would have been the height of bad management? Does it not occure to anyone that perhaps this was the reason he didn't go? Especially considering we would have been paying his wages regardless.

  44. Joe S.

    Feb 04, 2013, 19:16 #31502

    Gooner Ron, point taken, I probably was having a bad day. I'd spent the weekend watching Man U. vs Fulham, City vs Liverpool and Newcastle vs Chelsea. Great games all, which sent me thinking that all clubs in the EPL are capable of playing attacking football within their means and there is nothing special about Arsenal's style - in fact it's gone down hill. Wegner is dispensible and I shouldn't blame my frustration on decent fans like you for wanting to propogate something that will eventually come to it's own inevitable conclusion.

  45. Simon Gooner

    Feb 04, 2013, 17:19 #31492

    Kevin, I am curious to know where you get your transfer gossip from? Im curious because there was no additional bid for Villa and the Amorebieta rumour has little weight to it. you often throw in these tit bits, saying with authority when many of them seem fanciful, can you elaborate please?

  46. GoonerGoal!

    Feb 04, 2013, 13:36 #31482

    @Mandy Dodd. "Ivan would not dare sack him(Wenger), especially as we all know he will deliver a CL place"??? Ha!Ha! Ha! Ha! DOWN with the DICTATOR, his boardroom sycophants, and his punch throwing lackeys! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  47. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 04, 2013, 13:13 #31481

    PaddyStoodUp,I agree, and what more proof does anybody need but the fact Squillaci doesn't play/can't get a game and he's still here, as for that useless lump santos ? their in the comfort zone alright. The only person who should be called out to explain is the person who signed them in the first place along with the other wasters.

  48. Red Mist

    Feb 04, 2013, 11:00 #31476

    Who would actually care if rumours going round re santos,squillaci are true! point is they are sucking the life out of the club taking the Mick out of the fans and are not alone in that. Fingers need to be pointed towards the Frenchman who can't do up his coat ( at least we now know what pat rice did) rather than others.

  49. Ron

    Feb 04, 2013, 10:38 #31474

    Mandy - Wenger has had links for years with PSG and has been a sort of unofficial 'adviser' to them for a very long time already, so your notion of him disliking them seems well wide of the mark. Soem people reckon Wenger will walk in the Summer and in my viewing of his apparent chilled out attitude to the teams obvious failings, lack of any effort to invest in the team suggests to me that he may well be keeping his seat warm for a new Coach and more importantly leaving the so called 'war chest' free for someone else to use.It wouldnt surprise me if he left in May. The Club needs change at so many levels and im sure Wengers not daft enough to not realise it himself. I can almost hear the fanfares, acknowledgments and cheesy testimonies to him being rehearsed by Hill Wood and Co as we speak.

  50. Ron

    Feb 04, 2013, 10:19 #31472

    'if he can remain fit' - Diaby? Do me a favour!

  51. PaddyStoodUp

    Feb 04, 2013, 9:28 #31470

    Those suggesting Kevin reveals his sources really should think about what they are asking. Whether you believe what has been written or not, the chances are that the information came from someone who Kevin feels is “in the know” and that’s probably going to be someone who works at or with the club. So let’s say Kevin reveals it’s one of the physios who talks to the players on a regular basis whilst giving them massages, don’t you think the person would feel betrayed by Kevin? And worse, they may end up getting sacked by the club for leaking confidential information. That would be a nice thing to do to someone who had trusted you to be discreet wouldn’t it? Jeez people, get with the real world. If you don’t believe what Kevin has written, then fair enough – he’s not had a great track record – but there’s no need to lambast him for not revealing his sources.

  52. Moscow Gooner

    Feb 04, 2013, 7:21 #31467

    4th place very much on - and to be fair has been all season: sadly - it marks the limit of our current ambitions. Given the number of empty seats versus both Stoke and Liverpool you have to wonder if a lot of season tickets aren't being held by touts and agencies who then can't offload the tickets. Ths would explain the ever-increasing proportion of tourists who are primarily n the ground to take photos of each other before hurrying off to visit the London Eye. I can understand (sort of) genuine supporters giving Stoke a miss - but Liverpool, a critical game for UCL qualification?!

  53. Esso

    Feb 04, 2013, 6:25 #31465

    Would you like to quote your sources for the facts stated about Santos and Squillaci? Not to do so is the height of Journalistic incompetence. Surely such an august publication like The Gooner, with its obvious high regard of another paragon of journalistic virtue, Myles Palmer - aka Leopold Mendacious, would n't stoop to such levels?

  54. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Feb 04, 2013, 4:23 #31464

    GoonerRon, I get what you're saying. I was critical of Terry Neill, Don Howe, George Graham and Bruce Rioch when they deserved it, and found justified praise for all when earned. Supporters carping at each other over the smallest details on the internet is a result of the social media age we find ourselves in. I was and still am fully behind The Arsenal team, but highly suspicious and un-supportive of PLC / marketing side's administrative body. Wasteful 21st century middle management in all it's glory - the theory of selling a brand experience to the public prioritised above the quality of the product. I was suspect of The Arsenal board in the eighties too, it's healthy in any organisation to keep the executive on their toes. The difference now as we all know is the regulars who showed up every year when the North Bank was a crush and the Clock End was uncovered during nasty winters are either in debt to the brand experience, or have been priced out of it altogether. As for Stoke, **** 'em. I don't need to peel off a Pulis rant, he digs his own grave with his hypocrisy.

  55. Green Hut

    Feb 03, 2013, 23:53 #31462

    @Mandy Dodd- Agreed, Wenger is a creature of habit, reaffirmed by his non-venture into last months transfer market before injury forced his hand in the last few hours. The incredible thing is, more than 40% of BSM members believe he is capable of change, despite history showing time and again that it's just not going to happen and Wenger himself stating more than once last year that his philosophy will never change. The fans really are part of the problem at Arsenal right now.

  56. AugustusCaesar

    Feb 03, 2013, 22:29 #31461

    I've called out the editor previously on revealing his sources when he talks in this very blasé yet matter of fact knowledge he has about who we're trying to buy, how much we've offered to clubs and the wages we're supposedly paying particular players - yet he just ignores them.

  57. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 03, 2013, 20:53 #31460

    The reaction of that low life shawcross over on the line after our goal was awarded said it all, he knew with their ability and cavemen tactics the game was up,and their chances of getting anything out of the game was minimal,and so it proved.

  58. GoonerRon

    Feb 03, 2013, 20:42 #31459

    @ Joe S - have you had a bad day? What made you think I 'lived and breathed' Wenger? The fact I have the temerity to sometimes apply some balance to arguments on here? In any case, if you read my posts I'm sure you'll notice I'm often critical of Wenger, but perhaps in a slightly calmer manner than others. So what if I read the game differently to others? So what if I choose to highlight the positives in a players performance? Isn't that what opinion is all about? Just because I disagree with you or choose to articulate my opinion more constructively than you might it doesn't make me wrong. As for who Wenger was thinking / trying to buy, I haven't got a clue as I'm not in the inner sanctum of the club. Neither, I doubt is the Ed, hence my cynicism on some of the observations in the Editorial.

  59. Mandy Dodd

    Feb 03, 2013, 20:32 #31458

    I am afraid I have some bad news for some on here, Wenger is going nowhere this summer, and even if he was , it would not be to PSG.... with French taxes....and the fact that club are everything Wenger despises regarding FFP, financial doping etc. Unlike many out there, I do not claim insider knowledge, but Wenger is nothing other than a creature of habit, and he NEVER breaks contracts, unless there is a health issue or something completely unforeseen. Ivan would not dare sack him, especially as we all know he will deliver a CL place, thats even IF Ivan or Stan wanted to sack him, which is unlikely. But I offer some of you hope, I do not think he will renew his contract, mainly because I cannot see him sticking around dealing with increased pressure from sponsors on those deals coming in, a new contract will mean relinquishing some control which according to some , may not sit well....then there are those HR driven KPIs American enterprises love setting. He is a French libertarian, Arsenal are pretty much an American corporation these days, something will give......but not just yet. As for yesterdays game, Stoke are nothing less than a disgrace to the game. They are one of the last throwbacks to the bad old days of English football when we were reviled world wide...for a number of reasons. Teams like Swansea prove that a relative lack of resources does not mean you have to plumb the depths of Stoke. BTW, if Pulis thinks that is the only way to play, why doesnt he ever do it at OT?

  60. Jamie Hunter

    Feb 03, 2013, 19:06 #31457

    I made a rare trip to Highbury yesterday and I think the deflection put a serious gloss on the performance. Sure, stoke were negative in the extreme, but a couple of decent saves aside, I never really felt that we were particularly stretching them. Credit to Walcott, who I openly admit have never rated, has rolled his sleeves up lately and is acting like the senior pro that, bizarrely, he is. And also monreal who will face much sterner tests but looked like he'd been at the club for years. Overall though we looked like what we are; the 5th or 6th best team in the league.

  61. jj

    Feb 03, 2013, 18:36 #31456

    Would love to see Wenger go to PSG but with tax rates at 75% in France now I suspect he is holding out for another deal here. Will the Board be mug enough to give him one? Whatever happens expect stories about how we're going to buy Cavani/Villa etc etc in the summer to emerge before ticket season renewal comes round again. Judging from the huge gaps all around the stadium yesterday,they've got their work cut out this time. This is especially true in club level. Considering half the stadium revenue comes from corporate, if top four isn't achieved the club may take a double hit in their revenue next season. That is the price they may pay for not investing in the squad.

  62. Joe S.

    Feb 03, 2013, 18:22 #31455

    GoonerRon, you having a cynical side? now that's breaking news. I thought you were one of these people who lived and breathed Arsenal Wegner, seeing positives in every crap player or perfomance,buying the merchandise,defending every pronouncement from above. Yes it is your Arsenal. I often thought you were being cynical, the way you read a game differently ftom others with more passion or who really care. Every thing is good in your world. Do you really believe Arsene Wegner was trying or even allowed to think about about signing the likes of Cavani or Villa? And why should he? After all he has all the quality he needs in top class players like Plodoskey and the French lumberjack.

  63. wenger Must Go

    Feb 03, 2013, 17:32 #31454

    *Goalkeeper

  64. CanadaGooner

    Feb 03, 2013, 17:17 #31453

    Very welcome points. Shame west brom couldn't hang in there for a draw against Tottenham. I have no blame whatsoever for Pulis. The minute stoke starts to get ambitious and replace him they will be relegated. Look at Bolton now. They could still be in the premiership with big Sam at the helm but the decided to get fanciful. It's better to have a manager who promises nothing and delivers the same consistent result like Pulis does, than to have a manager who consistently fails to deliver and carries on with one failed experiment after the other and 7 years ticks by with more promises. We have 3 tasty matches coming up and I see Spurs beginning to drop points very quickly as is their style, so again we don't seem to have to do too much to finish 4th

  65. DW Thomas

    Feb 03, 2013, 15:41 #31452

    Not a bad win. Totally different styles and thought we played well. Give Diaby a break. I know of no other player who has fought so,hard to be fit. He has talent and can take over a game when switched on. Thought the Ox was below par though. He needs games as does Diaby. A better team rotation is needed to get players playing well and fit. Arsene must have loved this win, Monreal looks decent, but Wenger has failed again to appropriately strengthen and it could very well cost us. How many games will,Jack play before he gets run down. And where is Rosicky again? He was maybe our best player end of last season. Our midfield looks slow when the off the ball movement stagnates. Our blueprint for beating anyone is that win over Chelsea a couple seasons ago where we pressured defensively all game and worked off the ball tirelessly. Why don't we play that way more often? And how many times does the opposition keeper keep them in the game? Still too inconsistent to win trophies. And man united keep winning despite mediocre displays. That's what top players do for you!

  66. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 03, 2013, 15:36 #31451

    Excellent heading Kev,and true.It's good to send Pulis and the cavemen back to bed rock with their clubs between their legs.Even the part time footballer and horse breeder owen in his short time in their presence has become one of them hopefully the FA will deal with him the way they would if it had been one of our players,even if the motd panel thought it was nothing, no surprise there.Not the greatest of games and we nearly ballsed it up again but thanks to a deflection three points secured in the race for our imaginary piece of silverware.Our new signing done alright for his first appearance in an arsenal shirt, and endeared himself to us very quickly by drawing blood from one of the cavemen,but could he have done any worse than the excuse for a footballer that was sitting on the bench ready to replace him ?What did ogl see in him and indeed squillaci in the first place ? When was the last time this manager motivated anyone ? The only time he gets tough is if someone disagrees with him and that doesn't happen very often for various reasons. We had our chances yesterday as always but couldn't convert Giroud had his chances again, yes their keeper had a good game but we're going to have to start taking our chances if we want our fourth place trophy back.

  67. Mark Thorpe

    Feb 03, 2013, 13:53 #31450

    Bored out of my skull for most of the game. But.....how often have we wanted to be able to 'win dirty'? I'll take a few more 1-0 wins like this if it means we are gaining points come the end of the season. As for Stoke, they are a disgrace. From top to bottom they reek of all that is wrong with football. Just as too much money, bad owners, bad boards, and mercenary players are ruining football, so too are teams like Stoke. Their manager talks like a thug, looks like a thug and has compiled a team of thugs. Hopefully, someone will do to Shawcross what he has done to too many others.

  68. GoonerRon

    Feb 03, 2013, 13:35 #31449

    Job done - 3 points in the bag, a clean sheet, solid debut for the new boy and valuable rest for some key players. Forgive me for possibly doubting your sources on the transfer stories - you've been known to mug yourself off on this type of things before - plus the cynical side of me sees that these stories do fit your agenda. Pulis is a monumental bell end.

  69. wenger Must Go

    Feb 03, 2013, 13:08 #31448

    Good win. Blackburn plays anti-football Kev, goal takes free kicks in oppositions' half!

  70. Dan h

    Feb 03, 2013, 13:03 #31447

    11th win on the trot at home against Stoke in all competitions like they say they can play how they want.Might be an idea to have a go at our place as those stats tell the story of Arsenal at home to Stoke.Deserved win in the end & made a difference having Podolski & Cazorla coming off the bench strength to change not rocket science is it?100% on Squillaci to add the bit you may not know Ed it broke down because he didn't want to uproot from London to Brighton not even for four months comfort zones eh?He was even offered the chance to commute from London daily obviously couldn't be bothered!Decent debut for Monreal will add competition with Gibbs & that is what we have lacked.Too many people in the comfort zone for too long the board OGL & due to the squad strength most of the players.

  71. Hatfield Red

    Feb 03, 2013, 11:53 #31446

    I am starting to think that I would prefer to finish outside the champs league/Europa league places and we then might see some chnages. Although I suppose we could then end up like Liverpool. Personally thought Diaby had a poor game yesterday - continually slowing the play down. Thought their goalkeeper was outstanding just what we need! On a more positive note, Walcott looks like a new player -what a transformation.

  72. Peter Wain

    Feb 03, 2013, 11:35 #31444

    Having watched the game I was amazed at the welsh ferret's view that Stoke deserved something from the game. Quite what game he was watching I am not sure but the team I saw had zero shots and zero ambition. They spent a lot of the time fouling their opposite number and made no effort to win the game. If Pulis thought that Stoke deserved a point he need help. I tohiguht our performance was ok and if we had scored one of the chances in the first half it may have made for a decent game. Once we didn't Stoke just opted for more of the same and got what they contributed to the match nothing.

  73. James

    Feb 03, 2013, 11:16 #31443

    Our midfield was so slow yesterday and that was down to Arteta and Diaby.I think they were in a competition to see who could pass the most square balls.Walcott is on fire but was starved of the ball.Diaby reminds me of Vieira yeah a 95 year old Vieira.This has got to be his last season at the club.A much needed win but Stoke had no ambition at all.Bigger tests to come.One last question would you take 4th place now if it meant the Spuds finished 3rd?

  74. Gare Kekeke

    Feb 03, 2013, 11:13 #31442

    A win is win and we did deserve to beat Stoke. Good to see Wenger utilising the squad for once. He can’t complain about players being tired when he plays his near strongest team every week. And by all accounts the players didn’t agree with the fatigue excuse by Wenger after the Swansea defeat. Having seen the highlights, there is nothing wrong with the goal if Giroud (getting better by the week) is meant to be offside. Or was it Walcott? Or was Walcott active? Oh who cares! And yes, it was interesting that there were no replays on the big screens. Solid debut for Monreal but it was always going to be seeing as Stoke as are rubbish away side in the Premier League. But the signs with him are promising where as I could tell immediately with Andre Santos that he was going to fail. I think the left-back situation became a panic situation when Gibbs got injured...........again. The clean sheet was a welcomed bonus but it was always going to be an easy afternoon for our defence as Stoke lack of ambition on their travels. Some Stoke fans are getting fed up with Pulis because he just retains the status quo (ring any bells?). Some of them must look at Swansea with a tinge of envy. We’re still on for top four in my book. Everton are drawing too many games; Liverpool continuously shoot themselves in the foot when they show signs of improvement (like the 2-2 draw against us) & ditto Tottenham. If it’s true what is said about Squillaci & Santos then it sadly sums up the at times gross mismanagement and the culture that exists at our great club. It’s the price that we are paying (no pun intended) for our ‘socialist’ wage structure. Roll on Sunderland away, a fixture that in my view WAS the turning point of last season (the league one seeing as they beat us in the FA Cup). Up The Arsenal!

  75. Rob

    Feb 03, 2013, 11:03 #31441

    If what you say about Squillachi is true, then that's a disgrace and does indeed indicate the type of motivation Wenger applies. As someone said, he's all carrot and no stick. Can you imagine Ferguson tolerating that ? In fact I doubt that Pulis would. No wonder we're 20 plus points off the top.

  76. Clive the Gooner

    Feb 03, 2013, 10:49 #31440

    Needed the win badly yesterday. Lino had a poor game to say the least, should have gone to Specsavers. Pullis is such a neanderthal, tried to moan about our players surrounding the lino to deflect from another disgraceful challenge from shawcross. What a class act he is.