A few more cross the divide

Online Ed: The ‘Wenger Out’ camp now seems to be in the majority



A few more cross the divide

How many more years of purgatory?


That Arsenal have been eliminated from both domestic cups by lower league opposition this season – for the first time under Arsene Wenger in each competition – is symptomatic of the gradual decline the team are suffering. Previously, a shadow team like the one played against Blackburn yesterday would have had enough about them to maintain the club’s interest in the FA Cup. However, the depth of the squad is gradually declining with the sale of the better players to maintain profit, and their replacement with inferior options. The chickens are coming home to roost.

#wenger out was trending on twitter after the yesterday’s cup exit, and one interesting tweet by TheRealGunner read as follows - Since our last trophy in 2005, We sold 79 players who brought 52 trophies to their new teams and Wenger made 40 million pounds! Wenger OUT. I cannot verify the accuracy of this statement, but I could believe it. Robin van Persie will almost certainly add to that number in May and Cesc Fabregas will also pick up at least a title winner’s medal. (Ed’s note – Took this from Twitter and the name above the tweet reads as TheRealGunner ‏@AmrGunner1 – there is also a Jules Wheeler ‏ @TheRealGunner who some think was responsible for this tweet. Not the case – my apologies to Jules for any confusion and my lack of knowledge of twitter (why two names anyway?) – our publisher does the gooner twitter feed as it is not a world I populate that much)

Arsenal are in a spiral of slow painful decline, a club where complacency is king and change is desperately needed. There was apparently a huge training ground bust up in front of the squad between Wenger and Steve Bould during the week when Bould wanted to do some specific work with the players, but the manager told him he couldn’t. Everyone is under orders to hush it up, but too many saw it and the story has leaked. Bould took the job as Wenger’s number two (having turned it down in the summer of 2011) on the assurance that he would be allowed to have some genuine coaching input. This happened for a few weeks before the manager became fed up of Bould getting the credit for the team’s improved early season resilience, and his ego decided enough was enough. Fitness coach Tony Colbert took a training session when Wenger was ill during the autumn, rather then Bould.

Look at the contrast with Manchester United – a club that also has debts – but also a board that realises winning trophies will lead to increased profits. Alex Ferguson leaves training sessions to his coaching team – which is periodically changed to freshen things up. There is a real hunger amongst the players during a match to compete and win games, something I do not always see at Arsenal. Would a figure such as Sebastien Squillaci be indulged at Old Trafford? Do you think if, say, Jose Mourinho was in charge at Arsenal, the player would have turned down a loan move to Brighton? His life would be so miserable he would either be upping his game to compete for a first team place or take the opportunity to get out at the first chance. Instead, he is allowed to exist in a highly paid comfort zone.

As for the game itself, Arsenal were fairly lacklustre to say the least. Blackburn offered little except some determined defending, but the home team had so much possession that chances were created. They tended to go wide or straight at the keeper, with the exception of Rosicky’s effort that hit the bar. The best opportunity fell just before the interval to Gervinho, a serial misser of chances who is a classic example of how the quality of the squad has been allowed to decline. Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain seems to have had the fire he was demonstrating a year ago coached out of him. His development actually appears to be in regression under Wenger. Abou Diaby lost possession an awful lot and the team lacked any cohesion or drive. There was never any doubt that the manager was prioritising Tuesday night’s first leg against Bayern, but the players who started should have easily had enough in them to win this tie. It was still 0-0 when Wilshere, Walcott and Cazorla were introduced.

Then, Blackburn demonstrated the benefits of taking pot shots at the keeper, scoring from a rebound. Arsenal do not shoot enough, too often preferring to pass when within range of goal. So few goals from rebounds. It is a weakness in their attacking game borne of the manager’s obsession with the purity of possession football.

So where do we go from here? People talk about a Chelsea style run of fortune to win the Champions League, but with the team’s weakness in defensive organisation and an error-prone keeper, I just don’t see it. The Gunners have not eliminated a genuine top side in Europe since 2008. I suspect what we are about to experience is the traditional groundhog day feel of the third and final cup elimination of the campaign and the concentration on that precious top four spot. The club’s annual figures will once again show profit thanks to the sale of Robin van Persie. So objective achieved. Arsenal are a fantastic business because they are able to make money selling something that disappoints their customers, who keep coming back for more. As a sporting concern, they are no longer serious contenders, their targets and ambitions on field far lesser that other teams of a similar financial stature. They are pushing very, very hard for a version of financial fair play to be introduced in the Premier League. All the clubs want it, Ivan Gazidis maintains. Well if they did, then 14 of them would vote for it and it would come into being.

Anyway, the manager is a busted flush and the board are not going to end his tenure, so it is down to the fans. If supporters are chanting inside the stadium against Wenger on a habitual basis and fights are breaking out in the crowd over the issue, that is going to be very poor PR for the Arsenal brand. That would force action. It’s horrible to have to do, but needs must. I imagine also that the Black Scarf Movement – having resisted the opportunity to call for the manager’s head so far – might reconsider and get even bigger numbers on their next march. It does need a concerted campaign to effect change.

One idea that came to me yesterday evening is to imitate the Chelsea fans who chanted for Robert Di Matteo at 16 minutes in every game after his dismissal. It may be worth waiting until Tuesday night has indicated whether there is any chance of progression in Europe, but if not, we can safely say it will be eight years without a trophy. Perhaps the Villa game next weekend might be the time to start something. Maybe when 8 minutes of the game have been played (the countdown clock will be at 37.00), a ‘Wenger Out’ chant should begin amongst those who want to effect change. Simplest I guess would be to the tune of the old Alan Smith (or sometimes Lee Dixon) chant. If you get lamped as a result, remember that CCTV is recorded of everyone at every moment during the match. So the AKB that objects to your right to freedom of expression can be removed by the police for assault before half time, assuming you wish to press charges rather than hit them back.

Let’s be honest, it is horrible that it has come to this state of affairs, where fans are being forced to chant against a man who has given so much to the club, but whose time has moved on. But I can see no other way of effecting much needed change and halting the slow tortuous spiral of decline. I would also welcome any Wenger supporter who still believes he is doing a good job and that he can turn things around to submit an article for publication on this website. We are an open church here at The Gooner. But we simply do not get this type of article submitted these days, perhaps because the arguments are more difficult to justify, who knows? There are still people who believe Wenger is the best man for the job. If you are happy with a top four spot and no trophies for the money we are paying and the supposed stature of our club, then fair enough. I think we should be doing better, and my belief for the reason we are not is that things have gone very stale. Sadly, Arsene Wenger is not going to change his ways now, so the day has come when – if the majority of supporters agree that change is needed – it is the fans that have to force change.

And for those who ask – who would you get to replace Arsene? – for an annual salary of £7.75 million a year, the answer is pretty much anyone you care to think of. What the club actually needs is a Jose Mourinho (you want Arsenal to defend again? The deadwood cleared? Remember siege mentality? Trophies?), but I suspect the board are way too conservative for that.

Anyway, ‘Wenger Out’ when the countdown clock on the videoscreen hits 37 minutes each first half for the rest of the season (i.e. 8 minutes have been played), starting at the Villa game. We can’t change the board, but we can force them to take action to address the decline on the field. Just a thought, an idea. Remember, no pain, no gain. No-one knows what a future would hold without Arsene Wenger, except for one thing. Hope might return. And football supporters need at least that.

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  1. mbg

    May 03, 2017, 23:44 #101111

    Time for change, yes rose is still wheeling that same bucket of crap around without CL we can't attract the top players blah blah that he was on here years ago and he's still at it (does his arms ever get tired) even now, we've been it for the last eleven twelve seasons now and what good has it done, how many top top players have we had, any decent ones we did manage to lure were either unwanted by other clubs or past it and any that weren't were ruined by wenger, a top top proper manager will attract proper top top players regardless of wenger and his wengerites precious CL, and the most important thing of all know how to manage them and coach them. We want wenger out.

  2. mbg

    May 03, 2017, 23:11 #101110

    markymark, i'm surprised at that, you'd think they'd have found a home, but even with a new tag/name it wouldn't have taken very long to work out who they were with the bullshyte they talked, and those essays and that gobbledegook ? jesus H, maybe it/they weren't wanted on the other sites either or just fed up getting their arse smacked every day. Yes i'd imagine you're right they're what we thought they were all along pure wengerites through and through, wenger FC supporters and not Arsenal and it's way way to late to lose face now, they've made their bed so now they have to lie in it, where ever that might and will be. @no new contract, we want wenger out.

  3. Time for change

    May 03, 2017, 22:41 #101109

    Arsenal couldn't attract top players without CL football? That's why Chelsea (Champions-elect) to get Kante despite not even being in Europe and Man U to get Ibrahimovic not being in CL. Get real. Wenger out now.

  4. markymark

    May 03, 2017, 20:52 #101108

    Tony 'Goebbels' Attwood has just run an interesting piece on Lucien Favre of Nice more or less advocating him as he is the closest thing to Wenger. This is interesting in that Tony is obviously realising writing is on the wall. It also suggests a manager who we should be potentially wary of should he come into the spotlight . Let's have a defensively orientated Italian please.

  5. mbg

    May 03, 2017, 20:30 #101107

    jj, the thorn/thorns in Arsenals side that is rose (and other thorns like him) has been slabbering and bigging up games on and off here for years trying to make them look important in order to help his beloved weng look good, as if he has achieved something, brought us somewhere, to try and cover up his failings, well he has brought us somewhere alright and/only it's not to where rose tinted and his gang thought, and tried to tell us all it would be, and never will be, and their now realising and have realised it, and some begrudgingly admitting it, but if the weasel by some f*****g miracle comes out of this they'll be changing their minds as quick as a child in a sweetie shop.

  6. TonyEvans

    May 03, 2017, 19:24 #101105

    Hi Ron - Couldn't agree more. Knowing this would be Wenger's last season before the cup final makes sense on every level. It would lift all the uncertainty at a stroke, be a massive boost to most supporters and, as you say, may even lift the players. Much as I hate Wenger now I wouldn't begrudge him bowing out with a record FA Cup win number 7 and what a great way to unite our fan base again.

  7. jjetplane

    May 03, 2017, 17:56 #101104

    Is there a trophy for beating United because Simon seems to think it is the most important game for errr 20 years or so. Win that and it's Wenger for life, a DVD, selfie gallery and specials on Giroud's scorpion goal and how Mesut destroyed Ludograts. What I really want to know following up from Simon's last er gospel extract is what happened to the Ollie and Perez plan B genius tactic? Will it happen next season assuming Wenger beats JM and causes the greatest upset in PL history and Wenger going out of the Europa before said Ludograts .... What an exciting club!

  8. mbg

    May 03, 2017, 17:27 #101103

    Ron, good post, I hope your right, and yes if TOF did make the announcement I think it would galvanise the team hand indeed could very well hand us the cup, it would be a new lease of life for them a massive incentive a weight of their shoulders, but my only fear with all the support and celebrations whooping and high fiving and selfies TOF would imagine he's still wanted and suddenly change his mind, and like I've already said wengerite AKB's would be only to happy to comply and reverse the charges. wenger out.

  9. mbg

    May 03, 2017, 16:35 #101102

    Your messiah has been bust for years now but you and others just keep trying to blow him up and patch him up over and over and over again, thankfully the rubber tube you and your ilk blow into is to worn out now for any more blowing and just keeps deflating, it's done, finished, past it. Now the die hard AKB's like you realise that too, what a lot of us have known and realised for years, a lot of you half heartedly and don't really want to of course, because you'd all keep him in the blink of an eye, and that will be proved if he flukes something against man yoo or in the cup. We want wenger out we want wenger out.

  10. Yes its Ron

    May 03, 2017, 16:20 #101101

    Tony - Strangely, i think an announcement that AW is quitting at the Seasons send would galvanise the team for the FAC Final. Three fold effect - desire to send him on his way on a high and players playing for futures or for the 'shop window' effect. Perhaps also, it would set other Coaches into limber up mode to apply for the job. PS Ive a sneaky feeling now that they already know who the incoming Coach is to be honest and that the Board have known for some time that AWs heading out. Im just not sure though if he going to stay for a while on a 'roll over' contract basis to ease said new guy in. We ll see but i do think things are unfolding and crystallising now.

  11. markymark

    May 03, 2017, 15:40 #101100

    On a different note it's odd that Leek the Squeak, Jameeson, Colesey OAP, BBA and the Right Reverand Brian Badarse have never appeared on any other Arsenal site post their leaving the Gooner. Particularly as Untold would be a home from home. Perhaps some of these self labelled super supporters aren't quite as dedicated as they would imagine. Or just maybe we were right all along and the all encompassing love for Wengo is bigger than the club. Realising Wengo is a busted flush they have severed ties with our great club.

  12. Rippy

    May 03, 2017, 15:20 #101099

    its already a bust I am afraid. the stories coming out today about plan B transfers are designed to lessen the expectancy level. I have said all along Kroenke will balance the books. expect sales and salary reductions. only good thing to come out of it is his asset is losing value. lets hope he panics and sells up. a long shot but anything is better than him.

  13. Redshirtwhitesleeves

    May 03, 2017, 14:58 #101098

    As if we will beat united anyway- everyone knows Maureen has had Wenger on toast for years and will continue to do so. Problem now is pochetino, klopp, koeman and any other manager with half a brain has also got Wengers number these days. It's not just us suffering fans that find Wenger so predictable, other teams are rubbing their hands in glee playing us these days as we are so soft and easy to beat. I will gladly see us take a beating in all remaining games including the cup final if that's what it takes to get this parasite out of our club

  14. Roy

    May 03, 2017, 14:40 #101097

    It's already bust Simon, the only question is how far we can fall before the spineless board and money obsessed owner take any kind of decisive action. Never has a game against Manure or a cup final meant less when placed against the grander scheme of things. Who would have thought that the actual games would become secondary to one of the worlds biggest clubs ? And we won't even be able to claim that title either soon, the way things are going. Two words sum it up for me right now : desperate and farcical. @NoNewContract #wengerout

  15. peter wain

    May 03, 2017, 13:19 #101096

    lets face it fourth place just covers the huge problems we have. the academy is a mess no decent young players being produced at all. the transfer policy a complete joke the tactics we use useless and the only answer is for kroenke to go take the board gazidis and wenger with him.

  16. TonyEvans

    May 03, 2017, 12:47 #101095

    Bust please - looking at the respective run-ins it's going to be bust anyway irrespective of what happens on Sunday. Wenger's luck has finally run out in the league, and with Chelsea waiting in the Cup final, rather than Hull this time, it looks like lady luck has finally deserted him completely. Not before time I might add. As for the players playing for a place in the Cup final team - why would they need to bother when Wenger picks his favorites anyway irrespective of how they perform! I would also suggest that performances have been rancid (bar the FA Cup semi final) for sometime now anyway. Wouldn't it be great if Wenger announced he was leaving before the Cup final, so we could all be sure winning the cup would not influence what happens with his contract - without that the massive doubt remains that a win in the final will save his bacon once again and I for one would rather lose in the final than risk that happening again.

  17. Yes its Ron

    May 03, 2017, 10:37 #101092

    Perhaps the most meaningless game against Man Utd that we ve had for 30 years. Wenger doesn't beat Mourinho anyway and rarely beats Utd in any event. I wouldnt back against Utd if Mourinho fielded his youth team and fringe players to be honest, such is Arsenals plight.

  18. Exeter Gunner

    May 03, 2017, 10:05 #101091

    So a fraud whose top 4 finishes and reputation have been held together for year by huge bundles of luck is now poor old unlucky Arsene, in a 'cruel twist of fate' having to face the big bad bully Jose, just at a time he needs yet another of those easy matches to smooth his access to the Virtual Trophy that have been falling in his lap for years at this time of season. Good. I for one hope his luck has finally run out.

  19. Up For Grabs Now

    May 03, 2017, 9:16 #101089

    Given the choice in your article heading Simon, I would opt for bust, because this is what it clearly needs to even have a glimmer of hope that Wenger will be off. Were Arsenal somehow to get into the top 4 and miraculously beat Chelsea in the FA Cup final (More chances of me walking on the moon, than both of those things happening) you can bet Stan’s bottom dollar he would not offer Wenger a two-year deal, but probably a five year one! I presume Simon now that you have sort of finally come over to the dark side (At least 5 years later than most of us) that you too will be hoping (Not that much hope will be needed!) that it’s bust, to help rid the club of the curse of Wenger assuming your assumption are correct that he will walk (I have my severe doubts he will by the way, as his ego is simply too big, as after all he invented the club don’t forget!!!!!!!!).

  20. markymark

    May 03, 2017, 8:59 #101088

    ANR - reporting Gazidis tried to resign- could be getting quite dramatic if true

  21. peter wain

    May 03, 2017, 8:40 #101087

    not being in the champions league should be no problem for wenger. he has never bought top top quality players so not having cl football will not make any difference. what will make a difference is his ability to be decisive and act quickly. At most we will buy three players maybe a couple of free transfers but top top quality do not hold your breath.

  22. Bob Bayliss

    May 03, 2017, 8:35 #101086

    Wenger is already bust and the United game is an irrelevance. There are only two places at stake in the top four, and despite their inconsistency Liverpool and City have them in the bag given their points in hand and remaining fixtures. We may well beat a United team ravaged by injuries and with other priorities, but let's not build it up as significant in terms of our top-four prospects or Wenger's future. It is a non-event, which I hope will help as many as possible to devote their energy and attention to the protest both before and during the match.

  23. beatrice

    Feb 20, 2013, 11:08 #32209

    even the clubs stature and reputation is at stake! let not the board kid themselves, when these two are put into question, it will eventually hurt profits through dwindling ticket sales etc.!

  24. Murphyr

    Feb 20, 2013, 2:47 #32201

    It’s pretty horrible to see how things have come to this; Arsenal fans turning on each other, preparing to "lamp and be lamped" over their positions relative to the current manager. I dunno, I find a lot in what Kevin has said in his article to be the unarguable truth. The quality of our squad and of our football has declined considerably over the past 5-6 years. This is particularly acute now where the culmination of selling our best players over the past few seasons and replacing them with inferior ones means we are not even that good to watch anymore. Chickens coming home to roost indeed. What is incredibly frustrating about this whole issue are the logic defying explanations for this state of affairs we have been fed by the Board and from Mr Wenger. You do not need to be a Rhodes Scholar, Mathematical Genius or "to have played the game" to understand that the process of presiding over a weakening of the squad will eventually mean lights out for your chances of winning trophies. Make no bones about it this is an arrogant statement and I do not disguise that. We are not and should not consider ourselves just another club. Granted, Barnet season ticket holders probably care as much about them as we do for Arsenal but their club do not enjoy the same status or the same advantages that Arsenal do. Arsenal charge the highest season ticket prices in the world. We are told time and time again that we are well set financially as if this in itself should fulfil the dreams of the average Arsenal supporter. Sometimes I feel that the wags who suggest that we should include a picture of the annual report next to all of the trophies at the stadium should be careful what they wish for lest they be taken seriously. There are a lot of things that have changed in the EPL and global game that are of course beyond Wenger or the Boards control. We can't match the oil money that some other clubs are swimming around in. I agree with Wenger that this is financial doping and does distort the market. However, this obscures the fact that Wenger has made some fantastically poor decisions over recent years which have, in effect, meant that we aren't even able to compete with these teams. By Wenger and the Boards admission we are not exactly starving so the decision not to strengthen the squad by bringing in word class experience makes you want to pull your hair out. It’s not as if this has lead to younger players getting a decent run in the side to build them up. The simple fact is we have sold our best players and brought in ballast. With the amount of central control Wenger seems to have over everything these days the buck has to stop with him. His stubborn refusal to recognise reality has, I’m afraid, resulted in our relative decline. If the situation was one that could be reduced to mere economics then I could feel more sympathy for Wenger. However, the more his decisions (or lack of them) are revealed to be wrong the more he seems to dig in his heels. The lack of delegation on the training ground is a lamentable state of affairs – just what is Bould supposed to be doing if not solidifying a laughably inept defence? More and more Wenger seems to be morphing into a caricature of the archetypal tin pot dictator. I really hate to say this as I have always counted myself very fortunate to have been able to see the Arsenal sides of the first decade of his tenure. However, a rot appears to have set in at the heart of the club and Wenger just seems incapable of turning it around. In fact based on the evidence of the last 3-4 years it seems he is only capable of making things worse.

  25. Ebrahim

    Feb 20, 2013, 1:43 #32200

    AKBs are officially a cult! Few hours after Munchen screwed us 3 1 and I see people attacking Kevin still? Like the end of the world cults about to suicide, u admire their terribly misplaced but utterly STUPID faith. Funny is that the image verificatio code, and I kid you not starts with AKB!!!!!!!

  26. Richard Smith

    Feb 19, 2013, 16:14 #32180

    Cut out all this negativity. It won't help and probably makes things worse. Supporting a team means good times as well as bad. Laying into players and Manager in public will not help anyone, even if it does allow small voices an underservedly large platform. Use your voice to encourage. Get behind them all and we'll have a better chance of progressing, and seeing where we are when the season is over. Do you work better with people insulting you, doubting you, abusing you? If you're a supporter, support.

  27. Jack Watson

    Feb 19, 2013, 9:47 #32135

    When all the ranting & disappointment subsides. Is anybody going to say who this new wonder manager is going to be. The last time you were all shouting for his head you wanted Owen Coyle. If we have 160 million in the Bank that is that is 2 players at 40 million plus wages. And that is if Man City or Chelski don't pay them even more. The landscape in footbal has changed dramatically. Be careful what you wish for. We have no devine right to win trophies. Before 1989 remember the crap we were watching without trophies. I thought we were different from the morons at other clubs that wanted a change of manager after every defeat. Spurs were put out in the previous round but nobody shouted for AVB's head. Get behind tyhe team and stop whingeing. If the price of a ticket is too high, don't pay it. They can charge this price because people will pay it. if they didn't they couldn't.

  28. Steven H Davis

    Feb 19, 2013, 3:35 #32096

    I'm not as, "up to speed" on internal matters as I would like to be. Whose decision is it to loan players to other teams? Who makes the decisions about player personnel? It looked to me as though the players chosen to play this past weekend had other things on their minds. Clearly, they thought of themselves as being far superior to the players they were matched against. They appeared to carry themselves in a "Too Cool for the Joint" manner. The manager can only do so much, and from what I understand...Wenger has done quite a bit for Arsenal over the years. If the owners won't pay for talented players, and the players won't play with passion, then they won't win anyway. I do realize that the manager is responsible for the overall attitude of the team. But with high level ego's in the mix, the manager cannot control the individual attitudes of each player. Steven

  29. SteveP

    Feb 19, 2013, 0:37 #32095

    Wenger totally lost it at Mondays press conference, asking a journalist "why are you looking at me." The scribe retorted "because it''s YOUR press conference". Hilarious, the soonerMAA Wenger goes the sooner we can look at the future with any enthusiasm.

  30. Mandy Dodd

    Feb 18, 2013, 21:47 #32090

    John Hawley, Brian clough and Peter Taylor had bust ups all the time, didn't harm them

  31. Amar

    Feb 18, 2013, 21:04 #32088

    Just STOP GOING TO GAMES! That's the only way thing that would make the board to react.. All you faithful gooner can do us a favour, JUST DONT GO TO GAMES FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON! That will really teach them something..

  32. GoonerGoal!

    Feb 18, 2013, 15:08 #32050

    Revolution is no longer just in the air, one can see it, touch it, and feel it now. It's not a question of 'IF' Bayern Munich knock us out of the Champions League, more a matter of by how many goals! Personally, I'm expecting a 4-6 goals deficit over the two legs. Even then, dreams of 4th place will still remain for the most stalwart of AKB's, but we realists know that we will be lucky to even get a UEFA Europa League spot. ENOUGH is ENOUGH! I'M AS MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE! DOWN with the DICTATOR! DOWN with KROENKE, GAZIDIS, HILL-WOOD and their RUNNING-DOG AKB LACKEYS! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  33. Mark from Dar Es Salaam

    Feb 18, 2013, 15:05 #32049

    At the current rate of decline, it is only a matter of time before we lose great players like Jack Wilshere. I am really disappointed at Tommy V's performances of late. He lacks the fire that saw him become the Verminator when he arrived at Arsenal. His leadership on the field is also wanting. All in all, it boils down to the manager's lack of hunger for success and the board's greed. It is about time we saw real change at Arsenal, starting with the firing of Arsene Wenger and Gazidis!!!

  34. johnnyhawleyloovinggooner

    Feb 18, 2013, 15:04 #32048

    if it is true about Bouldy and AW,then things are even worse than i thought.the papers are saying AW will get a two year extension to his deal,well big Bouldy will not be around then will he?if we lose in the CL and then lose against Villa,then you would of thought that would be it for the manager.Can i suggest a sack the board chant other than attack AW. those who do not blame AW would perhaps be happy with that? i run a small business but if my manager could not get on with an up and coming supervisor i would be very, very worried. this row is at best damaging. i know people who have work with top end people in ordinary firms that have heard major rows within the management team,in all these cases it ended very badly for the firm its self.

  35. Gerry

    Feb 18, 2013, 14:52 #32047

    Look in the mirror, do you see a mug? No! Well proove it, make change happen, only the fans can do it, and I'm embarrassed to say many a fan base would have done it already. Come on Gooners, this 'old boys club' needs to be broken up, and only we can do it...Get vocal!!!!

  36. BW

    Feb 18, 2013, 12:30 #32027

    Great piece, Kevin. However I think instead of the chanting, it would be more effective to simply boycott the E*******. TV cameras show empty seats, none of the fans get into trouble, we (as fans) save ourselves a small fortunate and the most profitable Premiership ground takes a hit on gate receipts.

  37. Habeeb

    Feb 18, 2013, 12:23 #32025

    @White hanky time/Stay classy Arsenal Are you telling me fans of any big team will accept 8 years without a trophy, 21 points behind the league leaders year in year out. Capello, Schuster were sacked in Madrid after winning the league. Yes "Nobody has a divine right to success," but you aim to be the best in whatever field you are that is ambition. The reason we are where we are is that some fans are ready to accept the decline of the club, using Liverpool, Newcastle as a benchmark, I am not!

  38. Habeeb

    Feb 18, 2013, 11:35 #32019

    @West I respect your point of view, the loyalty Wenger has shown bought him time to fix this mess, yet all we got is competency and excuses.., First if RVP was fit for the whole season. Bendtner will be a super striker soon.."This is my best Arsenal squad" referring to this current bunch of average players. The man has lost his competitive long ago. We need a new strategy and project ... This Wenger's is not working. I will prefer getting a younger manager to start all over again..e.g Bergkamp, Viera or even Ladrup

  39. Sammythebrief

    Feb 18, 2013, 10:18 #32005

    Chanting after 8 minutes 'Wenger out'? - How will this benefit the team. We are not a tiny club like Chelsea. Can you imagine Liverpool or Manchester United - clubs with great history ever doing such a childish and embarrasing act. If you don't like it - don't go to games. Acting like a spoilt brat will cause more harm than good both on the field and in the stands.

  40. Wurn

    Feb 18, 2013, 9:49 #31994

    I am done crying over this frustration that is Arsenal and Wenger but the one thing that irks me the most are the Arsenal supporters that still believe Wenger is the man and it's the boards fault not giving him the money to buy the best players. The best players will never ever save the club with such a horrible coach. He was lucky back then when he took over the Gooners team. I mean it is so logical, the team has changed so many times and we've had the best in one team but still no silverware, the only thing that has not changed is the management. Brilliant article by the way.

  41. Eispy

    Feb 18, 2013, 9:22 #31988

    1) To ARSENAL FC 1886 calling for a STAND UP FOR WENGER OUT STAND UP FOR WENGER OUT STAND UP FOR WENGER OUT chant..... you having a laugh mate, can't remember the last time I actually got to SIT on my seat due to others around me constantly standing!! I pay almost £1000 for a seat which never gets used, yes you make prefer to stand but I'd prefer to sit and as 5'3" woman the 6' blokes in front of me almost obscure my view of the game (some would say lucky you!!) If we all sat then I would have a perfect view! 2) The 8 min Wenger Out chant is a definite no for me.... won't achieve anything except bring every more negative publicity to the club. 3) To those of you who believe we will manage to scrape into 4th place..... is that really a good thing? Wenger has for the past 8 years put too much belief into thinking we have a hope in hells chance of winning the Champions League which is why we've won nothing else, time for a wake up call...... We ain't good enough!!!! 4) If you're really fed up with the past 8 years then why continue going to matches? (you can still support them without being there!) I for one have had enough and will not be renewing my season ticket this year.... and I don't think I'll be alone!

  42. Ogsvo

    Feb 18, 2013, 9:18 #31984

    If that story about Bould is true, then Wenger is having like a dictator that has lost the plot. Well usually they don´t have one to begin but you get the idea. At the start of season the Arsenal defence was incredible and flashes up front that suggested that this would a winning season. Then the spark we had was lost and yet another season wasted. But if that Bould story is true, then it is sign of what this club can achieve on the pitch and a sign of how it is begin run. Would Stan´s WalMart ever be in the retail if it wasn´t for total ruthless profit at all cost? Then he comes to Arsenal and we´d be lucky if we get 15 min. flashes of pretty decent football. Think trophy think profit or go back to baseball Stan. So yeah the only reference of what I can think of is politics. We can have a head of state that most of admired and voted for but there often comes a day when the plot is lost and democracy tells you when its time to go. But at Arsenal there is no such as democracy and the aristocracy seem unwilling to confront the problem. Rather, they will lose than a ´second class´ citizen like Bould than for him to get credit for a huge leap forward. For me Bould is Arsenal, Keown is Arsenal, Merson is Arsenal, Pires is Arsenal, Vieira is Arsenal, Adams is Arsenal, Wright is Arsenal but the Arsenal I see today isn´t the Arsenal it should or could be. Wenger is not delivering the results and the current structure seems to be doing more harm than good. If Bould can come in as AM and close the gates of this defence in couple of weeks, than replacing Wenger is perhaps easier than I think. I rather we do this soon than wake up one day in sheer rubble with no chance of rebuilding Arsenal as a Winner. What are we today? I find myself explaining the decline of Arsenal to elders that are even disgusted by football, such is the scope of these events and we must turn this mess around 1 2 3.

  43. Top 5 positive things protesting during games achieves

    Feb 18, 2013, 8:31 #31970

    1. 2. 3. 4. 5. How sad that the editor of an Arsenal fan site is effectively condoning a chorus of disapproval to unseat our manager. Is this what we've come to? Other clubs must be licking their lips. We're our own worst enemies with pony support like this. The club aren't blind to fans who aren't happy, despite what we may think. There's better ways to express our views than unsettling our own team. Yes, very clever behaviour.

  44. Without Arsene We Rust

    Feb 18, 2013, 6:52 #31967

    Hmmm......let's see how dumb/ungrateful arsenal fans are: -Champions League Football EVERY YEAR -Top 4 Finish EVERY YEAR -3 Cup Finals including a CHAMPIONS LEAGUE FINAL (which Arsenal never even reached before Wenger) since the last Trophy -High quality FOOTBALL from the Gods that only 2-3 teams in Europe can reproduce. People don't realize how difficult the system Arsenal plays is. -Turns nobodies into WORLD CLASS players. (Yes that's right, he's an actual coach unlike Mourinho or Fergie) -Oh yeah we beat FC BARCELONA. Considered one of the best teams EVER. On our own terms. By playing football with the ball on the ground and not luck (*cough Celtic *cough) Remember that? -All on a shoestring transfer budget (imagine if he dropped some serious cash?) Did I forget to mention when we were winning trophies we had one the greatest players EVER? We don't have Thierry Henry in the team anymore to bail us out of games. Arsene is a victim of his own success. The real problem resides with the board and BUYING players. The market has changed and better players are more expensive. We're still buying players for around the same price as we did 10 years ago. So we end up lesser quality/potential for improvement players ie Gervinho, Koscielny. Why aren't we blaming the players? CLEARLY they have the ability. Why aren't they delivering? THEY PLAY THE GAME NOT LE PROFESOR. We dominated Blackburn. Sometimes in life it's just not your day. If you want to glory hunt with a soulless spending club that has no identity then **** off and support Chelski or Manure City. The negativity at the emirates kills the confidence of the team. We need to get behind Arsene more than ever or he's off to PSG or Real Madrid and Arsenal will be the next Liverpool! Support or piss off!

  45. West

    Feb 18, 2013, 6:25 #31966

    @West and @ antique gooner As long as we have fans like you, who are satisfied with the mediocre achievement like ours, we are doomed! Excuse me Habeeb. With fans like us? I never said I was satisfied, I said I was unhappy. I get the point your trying to make, the inference that more like me will have us doomed is a little unpalatable. We live in a society that is now "on demand!" Its instant, you can have it now. AW has shown loyalty to Arsenal, where else can this be said? (Only one other place I guess). I feel the negativity and doom mongering is generating more negativity and doom mongering, so whilst its not perhaps heard to widely right now, I have to say the editors views are not shared nor are they representative of myself.

  46. Ali

    Feb 18, 2013, 6:12 #31965

    (Come on, the season is not finished yet. We can still win the Premier League IF United, Chelsea, City and Spurs go into administration and get massive point deductions) Wenger

  47. Moscow Board

    Feb 18, 2013, 6:11 #31964

    'Stand up if you hate the board' on the 8th minute mark...Even the AKBs can probably rally behind that.

  48. amet

    Feb 18, 2013, 3:08 #31963

    in my opinion arsenal type of play of passing under arsene wenger was tremendously good,however for me in the end result really matter.our attacking and type of pass that inspired by wenger seem going nowhere to me.there a few disappointment as a fan that i think why wenger couldn't do his job well.my father also said to me that arsenal currently look like show team.its really hurt me. 1)arsenal current style of attacking can be read easily such as simple crossing,1-2 pass,less long pass. 2)arsenal defend very poor.they tend to attack but ignore their own defensive role. 3)arsenal like to keep possession by passing,passing and passing all day outside penalty box but never try any effort to attack by trying shoot and get lucky. 4)always want to wait to attack until 1 on 1 with keeper thats all my opinion.i dont want all hater just call we PRETTY BUT UGLY,a show or exhibition team .we want to WIN.we want GLORY. i hope gooner can make a LITTLE effort to force board and wenger to change.sorry for my bad english.

  49. Bendtners Pizza man !

    Feb 18, 2013, 2:41 #31962

    Not a bad article but if the club and those that run it do not give a hoot about the feelings of a near 30 percent shareholder who has invested tens of millions in the clubYZd6AV ,they are hardly likely to take any notice of the fans. Kroenke rarely attends and Gazidis is highly paid to take the flak. Hillwood is a buffoon who still thinks he owns the place and the only reason he is still there is to take the flak and because when he sold out it was with the proviso he was chairman for life .

  50. bunch

    Feb 18, 2013, 1:18 #31961

    The saddest thing about all of this is that Wenger is tearing up his legacy as an Arsenal manager. The deeper the depths of our decline the more stained the good years get for many fans. The point must soon be upon us where the time since our last trophy is longer than the time Wenger became manager to May 2005.

  51. Mandy Dodd

    Feb 18, 2013, 1:10 #31960

    John c. Says I am pleased we lost yesterday and I get slated for suggesting this forum is full of spuds? How could a true fan ever want us to lose a cup tie?

  52. Wengerballs

    Feb 18, 2013, 0:14 #31959

    After the Bradford loss, Gazidis issued an apology to the fans saying (quote) "I think I am frankly tired of getting up here and delivering the same message. Tuesday night was not good enough and it made us all upset and angry." By that statement Gazidis presumably put a stake in the ground. He was saying "enough is enough!" was he not. So what does Gazidis have to say now about this latest abject humiliation? Or is this just going to be brushed under the carpet and rationalised away with Wenger's statement like "its the first time in 16 years we've lost in the F.A. Cup to lower league competition". So that makes it alright does it? Has Gazidis drawn a firm line in the sand with Wenger for how much more failure is tolerated or not? The fans have a right to know and demand to know!

  53. Ray

    Feb 18, 2013, 0:03 #31958

    I firstly disagree that chanting against the manager during a match will do anything beneficial for the team. I for one would argue the conduct of Chelsea supporters has been laughable and completely detrimental to the team. Also, you say Wenger should leave and offer no alternatives. Realistically the only reason the board would consider firing him would be if we failed to make the Champions league. Then managers in the class of Mourinho become out of the picture, and the other suggestion i've read in the comments section is Moyes, who has not won anything at all, ever, at Everton with his lump it up to the tall man tactics. Lesser club, yes, but managers have won more with worse teams than Everton. I think Arsene is a world class manager, i dont dispute that 8 years is unacceptable. I do dispute a reaction before at least an alternative is considered. By if singing a song out loud 8 minutes into every fixture is your way of obtaining some significance in the matter, i shall not/cannot stop you.

  54. Dave AFC

    Feb 17, 2013, 23:03 #31957

    None of you know you're born. Anyone playing up to these chant protests is a prat. Half of you morons only bought ST's due to Wenger's rebranding and restyling of the club, suddenly you think we have a divine right to play like Barca. Well hand in your ST's u pricks its people like you negative know it alls who simply contribute to the edgyness affecting our young players on match days. Good riddance. Aftermath of a cup defeat in which Arsene Wenger has succombed to lower league opposition for the first time and listen to you all...

  55. Joe

    Feb 17, 2013, 22:56 #31956

    What Arsenal is in serious need of is some real fans.

  56. GoonerDex1964

    Feb 17, 2013, 22:49 #31955

    Stop!! Stop!! Stop......I want change as much as the next man, we all want it. And It hurts me to see how far we've fallen behind Manu, but I am not going to be shouting "Wenger out" and I'm not going to be booing my team either. Wenger's contract runs out in 2014, I can't see him renewing if this continues, let him run it out, we owe him that. Protest before and after games, wear black scarves, stop buying stuff in the shop, stop supporting the cafeteria with its rip off prices. Stop buying the program. There's a thousand ways we can do this with a bit of THINKING! But when we walk into that arena, be one.. Wenger's not that stupid he doesn't know we've had enough. We are Arsenal, not a bunch of rabble. I've seen drier spells at Highbury and worse teams than this lot (have a look at your history books). But to read an article, in the Gooner, which supports fighting on our terraces, amoungst our own fans and worse still want Jose Mourinho to run our club........you've lost it, and it saddens me. Where's your sense of leadership Gooner. If we are going to do this, do it properly.

  57. Greg71

    Feb 17, 2013, 22:38 #31954

    @ White Hanky Time ? Granted nobody has a divine right to success,surely the biggest frustration has been the host of self inflicted wounds from playing the next game whilst about to play one,poor team selection/tactics,selling our best players and not replacing them with the same quality. comparisons with other clubs such as newcastle and spurs do not help your defence of wenger whatsoever,utd and liverpool have won trophies during their fallow times including the european cup. Waving white hankies back at the club sounds a great idea,forget Bayern save them for villa on saturday !

  58. White hanky time? No thanks. Stay classy Arsenal

    Feb 17, 2013, 21:57 #31951

    @Habeeb - 'Barcelona, Madrid, United and Bayern will never accept two years without a trophy' - maybe, and I know you refer to tolerating managers in this respect, but a few stats to ponder..Man United went 26 years (1967-1993) without winning the title. Ferguson's first 4 seasons (86,87,88,89) were trophyless, including finishing 11th in 1989. Newcastle's last meaningful trophy was (if you don't count the intertoto) in 1969. They last won the league in 1927. Sp*rs last won the title in 1961. Mighty Liverpool haven't won the title since 1990. I could go on. Nobody has a divine right to success.

  59. ATID

    Feb 17, 2013, 21:45 #31950

    To the remaining Wenger loyalists the question must surely be; "How much longer would give Arsene Wenger to turn things around?" It is very difficult to come up with a convincing answer to that question unless you either believe that coming fourth is better than silverware or that balancing the books is the be all and end all of a Premier League Club. I saw in the reply a rather pathetic reference to glory hunters. The fool who posted that should remember that it human nature to want to support a football club that wins things. That is why we now have so many 10 year olds supporting Chelsea. Arsenal is a famous club precisely because it has won lots of trophies. Now to my point. Is there anything about our manager that suggests that he can reverse the trend of the last 8 years? Pause for thought and try and list three reasons why things might change against Bayern or next season. I bear Wenger no malice and I doubt I will be singing "Wenger out" on Tuesday night but go he must. Sadly I fear that we will have to endure another season after this before the inevitable occurs.

  60. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 17, 2013, 21:33 #31948

    There are some on here who have accused the editor of encouraging lamping each other, where has he done that ? what he has said is if you get lamped by akb's for your freedom of expression (which is the norm and highly likely)you can report them and have them removed rather than stoop to their level and there will be cctv to prove it.He has also said it's horrible and a sad state of affairs (which it truly is)that it has come to this that fans have been forced to chant(not lamp)against a man that has given so much to the club but who's fault is that.

  61. Habeeb

    Feb 17, 2013, 20:29 #31946

    @West and @ antique gooner As long as we have fans like you, who are satisfied with the mediocre achievement like ours, we are doomed! Like you, I was blinded by Wenger's past achievement, to the extent of clinging to Arsene post match press conferences for some inspiration year on year. We cannot go on like this! Wenger decided to strengthen united at the expense of Arsenal, for his so-call footballing reasons was one mistake too many for me.Wake up!!! change is inevitable. Barcelona, Madrid, United and Bayern will never accept two years without a trophy never mind eight years. I don't know about you, I want to see my club winning trophies again or at least compete again. Except if you are only content with Arsenal competing with the likes of Spurs, Everton and Baggies

  62. Pat Gooner

    Feb 17, 2013, 19:43 #31944

    Disrespectful prick! Without Wenger we'll be like Liverpool!

  63. 6OONER PETE

    Feb 17, 2013, 19:40 #31943

    This is not a "shock" result. Wenger not only buys players who should be nowhere near an Arsenal shirt he also shows the coaching skills of a primary school kid at playtime. With better use of OUR money (actually not my money at the moment as I gave up the season ticket in 2009 and await the time when OGL finally leaves) we could have had a team to be proud of and relate to. If only we had kept Flamini, Cole, Cesc and RVP. With the additions of players like Alonso, Cahill, Enrique, Mata etc a decent goalkeeper and some proper coaching, what a difference the last few seasons could have been! Instead we are expected to pay sky high prices to watch the likes of Mannone, Fabianski, Squillaci, Diaby, Denilson, Ebboue, Gervinho, Santos, Djourou, Bendtner and Chamakh. You couldn't make this up!!!! And yet there are still fans(?) out there who want Wenger to stay!!!!!Aaaaaargh!!!

  64. Stuart

    Feb 17, 2013, 19:00 #31938

    There's a definite 'end of an era' feel about all this. Exactly the same as the last days of GG. Wenger has had enough time and enough support to sort the problems out long before now. He has failed spectacularly in every competition almost every year over the last eight years and time has run out. He had enough chances and although I think he is a decent bloke, the time has come to now get rid of him. He can't complain as any other top club in any other top league would have shown him the door a few years ago. The tide has properly turned against him now and the only way forward is to get rid of him. I have been a Gooner reader for years and I respect Kevin's views and decision to publish this piece. It is in no way a knee-jerk response and represents the views of a good number of the fans. I can't think of any reasons to give Wenger more chances as I lost trust in him long ago. It would be better for all if he was to go at the end of the season and announce it soon. If the club need a bit of a push in this direction, then so be it.

  65. West

    Feb 17, 2013, 18:51 #31936

    As unhappy as I am I can not agree with the overriding negativity of the writer. Some interesting points, but every opportunity is taken to pile it on. And before you think "oh here we go", I was at York away, Wrexham away, Coventry away (in the league cup mid week, anyone remember ?) all very poor results for Arsenal. A lot is talked about occurrences which have nothing to do with what takes place on the pitch, and unless you were actually there you can not definitely know. Opinion is certainly divided and the Online Gooner seems to be so negative. The eight minute thing..... How? half our fans are out the door with ten minutes to go. A CFC supporting friend of mine recently said he was looking forward to doing the 16 minute thing, ridiculous! It is utterly disrespectful to do this to the man who gave you almost everything. He simply can not win with many now. A lot of teams would be pleased to say they had not won a trophy etc etc for however long, which for me is a reflection on how we have become accustomed to doing well. And now we don't like it. Aren't we getting away from what being a football supporter really is? I will be going attempting to back the team in the usual way. Being negative will make you right most of the time (and it will fuel this way of thinking). Being optimistic when things aren't great is much harder. You never know? A little more faith... PS I bet Piers M will want a ticket if they make the CL final!

  66. Seven Kings Gooner

    Feb 17, 2013, 18:40 #31935

    Antique Gooner - You 're name is not Ivan by any chance?

  67. Rix On Alcohol

    Feb 17, 2013, 18:35 #31934

    Selling Van Persie to Utd was an act of footballing treachery by Arsenal FC, the like of which has not been seen before in the EPL. That so many supporters, including people on this site, applauded it from a 'business' perspective is a sad indictment of what being a supporter of Arsenal FC is becoming. Wenger's actions, particularly in the transfer market, since the Kroenke takeover do not make sense. There is little logic to some of the purchases or decisions made which suggests to me that things are not as black and white as you would have them appear. The Kroenke takeover has impacted very negatively on Wenger; he is little more than a 7.5m mouthpiece. Until you know for sure what club policy is, it is difficult to make too many assumptions. We went into this season thinking that we could use Gervinho as some sort of auxiliary striker; when this became clear, the fans made it clear that this was unacceptable, the player was affected and the experiment was dropped. The point being that it is possible to enact change; unfortunately it involves barracking a player to do so, which is counter productive but usually necessary. From what I can see, our squad generally cares about the club and tries to be successful; some of them are just not quite good enough and that is not their fault. They shouldnt have been brought in the first place.

  68. time2change

    Feb 17, 2013, 18:24 #31931

    In reply to Antique Gooner, how out of touch are you? If you listen or speak to people on a matchday (if you go) or on forums, it's generally those fans who have supported the club much, much longer than the Wenger years who have turned against him. We were there before Wenger and will be there for a long time after him. It's the AKBs who are the ones who have only supported Arsenal since he came to the club. They can't envisage a time where Arsene FC is not run by our French despot.

  69. Antique Gooner

    Feb 17, 2013, 18:24 #31930

    Jamie Hunter - Glory Hunter would be more appropriate

  70. jamie hunter

    Feb 17, 2013, 18:12 #31929

    @ antique gooner whatever you are smoking, could you save me a bit? I'll have it during the bayern game. I think you'll find that the editor's views are hugely in touch with the fan base. At least, those that don't require round the clock care.

  71. Antique Gooner

    Feb 17, 2013, 17:59 #31926

    I was from its very early days a regular purchaser and then subscriber for many years of your fanzine. I stopped renewing my subscription a few years ago having become sick and tired of reading yours and your colleagues mainly negative articles. This is first time for some months that I have visited your site having been alerted to your disgraceful and inciting editorial by a tweet this afternoon from Goonerholic referring to you “having overstepped the mark”. I couldn’t agree more. As for the pathetic posts by your sycophantic supporters I’d wager most of them only first became “fans” because of Arsene Wenger. I think it is time Mike Francis gave the boot to you and your equally irritating side kick David Oudo (the main reason I stopped subscribing to your podcasts) and The Gooner can then hopefully go back to being the fun and amusing read which I very much looked forward to every month. Otherwise the “The Whinging Gooner” would be a more appropriate title.

  72. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 17, 2013, 17:43 #31925

    I said on here a week or so ago that this keeper has a major cock up in him, and hoped it wouldn't come in the FA cup and cost us, so much for hope,although it was easy to predict, maybe not in the category of a through your legs, or dropping the ball but a cock up all the same and a costly one, parrying the ball to an opponent and not for the first time either, he's been doing it for ages but this time he was made to pay and we're out of another cup, whats new ? We badly need an experienced keeper this keeper is not good enough and is going to keep costing us, again everyone can see this except ogl.The fact that the goalkeeper position has been overlooked for so long is a sackable offence in itself.What are our so called goalkeeping coaches actually doing that the same mistake is being repeated,is it a case that szczensy can't learn or won't learn or is it just a case that the keeper coaches are as useless as the rest.

  73. zebedee

    Feb 17, 2013, 17:37 #31924

    I'm sorry, but whatever you think of Wenger, this is such a piss poor article. Lazy lazy journalism. The idea that we lost because we 'don't shoot enough' and Blackburn won because they realised the "benefits of taking pot shots at the keeper". We must have had 10 times the amount of shots that they did and even 5 times the amount of shots on target. Too easy to trot out the same old stuff that is a crowd pleaser. We didn't lose because of too much tippy-tappy football. We lost because we weren't good enough in front of goal. Giroud (who has been in good form recently but is clearly not a world class striker) wasn't good enough and Gervinho didn't finish his chance 1-on-1. As for the Wenger hokey-kokey, maybe it is time for a change, but those that think that a new manager and loads of money will make a difference, have a look at Man City and Chelski, they're not gonna win anything this year. Spending money guarantees nothing.

  74. billthered

    Feb 17, 2013, 17:32 #31923

    I am writing again to Ivan the terrible to ask where we are going and to tell him I no longer want my season ticket.Yesterday was the final straw.Blackburn are the worst side I have seen for many a year and we could'nt breach them.Podolski should have played in his rightful position up front but OGL preferred lightbulb head.So long Arsene thats an americanism I think.

  75. Danish Gooner

    Feb 17, 2013, 17:08 #31922

    I hope you lot turn on Wenger come Tuesday if Munich smash us,it is time he had some serious heat on him.

  76. Kissinger diehardgooner

    Feb 17, 2013, 17:07 #31920

    Arsenal fans owe Wenger nothing. They pay the highest tickets, they ve been patient in 7 yrs without trophy, yet we pay Wenger among world highest paid coaches. It is a shame that Wenger does not care about us, the loyal arsenal fans who have shown faith and maximum support for 7 years with nothing to show, while he aimlessly sell our best players. By the time we lose out of ECL this year which I pray, Arsene Wenger wld be awarded the Comedian of the year 2013 cos he no longer has football ambition. Arsne Wenger has become a comedian, Arsene Wenger is now Premiership's Mr Bin. Any true Arsenal fan who still fall for Wengers prangs at press conferences after a loss needs to examine his head. Wenger cannot justify d huge pay he has earned in Arsenal for the past 7 yrs. No trophy. Rubbish. What Arsne Wenger says no longer make sense to me. He says trash and crabs, Wenger earns among the top paid coaches in d world, yet he delights at seeing the clubs loyal fans hunger and thirst for trophy in 7 yr., I ve resolved not to fall to the failing rhetoric and diction of Wenger each time we lose a match. Arsne Wenger has a pre-prepared diction awaiting defeat in every match. "we were a little bit edgy" "we were lacking sharpness or brilliance on the attack" "we dominated possession" "unacceptable" etc. Someone please tell Wenger, I no longer fall for those prangs. TIME FOR CHANGE IN ARSENAL

  77. Sanjay

    Feb 17, 2013, 17:06 #31919

    I dont think anyone gets it. Its not wenger. its the board. Unless the board is changed, no matter who comes in, the quality of players coming in wont change. Wenger is a genius. He is doing what no other manager can do with the squad we have. Having him thrown out would be the biggest mistake we can make. I say, bring in Usmanov. Use his investment, bring David Dein back to the club. And if wenger is still unsuccessful, then only change the manager. One fact is for certain, getting a good manager in place of Wenger will be very very hard.. but getting a good club for wenger will be very easy.

  78. time2change

    Feb 17, 2013, 16:57 #31917

    Too right Kev, Wenger needs to go and he needs to take those Yanks with him. Arsenal fans say we can't compete with Man City and Chelsea - fair enough, but you can't hide behind that argument in cup games when we are losing to Bradford and Blackburn. Wenger trots out the same lame excuses afterwards, defensive mistakes etc etc but the same mistakes are happening over and over again. And who's fault is that? Clearly the manager can no longer motivate the players, or coach the players or he has lost the dressing room altogether. The truth will come out in the end, and interesting to read of that bust-up with Bouldy.

  79. DanB

    Feb 17, 2013, 16:48 #31916

    Surely a man who has behave with such dignity although his years managing the Arsenal deserves a bit more respect ? IF its time for him to go then let's let him go with the dignity he has shown all these years. Wenger has given us Tropies and some of the best football and footballers I've ever seen wear the shirt and an unbeaten season as well as all the money in the bank and the new stadium/ training ground. If his time is over let show him the respect he deserves .

  80. Danny

    Feb 17, 2013, 16:45 #31914

    Kevin, very good article and I am glad someone with knowledge and influence has actually taken a stance. I am too very frustrated and pissed off at this French coach for making money for himself and the Yanks instead of doing his job what he paid to do. WIN games and try to win cups for the fans Listening you on the podcast, Arsenal are truly a money making business model catering for office workers and tourist who will gladly go a see a game and have no affiliation to the club and history. We should chant Wenger out of every game not just Villa. His ultra ego has taken off and killing this club and yet people defend him, saying he sees the bigger picture. For Christ’s sake it going to be 8 yrs now I have a question for you If there was a dust-up during training, why haven't Bould's closest friends and ex players , ADAMS, BOULD, DIXON, WINTERBURN, KEOWN come out a supported this and said something. Why are they afraid??? Personally i think the Romford PELE is a Wenger kiss ass and can't stand him on the radio. The only player who supported this claim , Stewart Robson is getting slaughtered by the AKB’s – Why???

  81. PaulR

    Feb 17, 2013, 16:42 #31913

    Well said Kev, When Wenger repeated earlier in the week that coming 4th in the League was more important than winning the FA Cup I knew we were in trouble. What sort of signal does this send out to the players ? it's the complete arrogance that does my head in, that somehow the cups are not worthy of winning and only the league and champs league are worth turning up for. For a team who have won nothing this is a joke and explains the defeats by Bradford and Blackburn. Not sure about the 8th minute Wenger Out chant though.How about instead an 8th minute chant of 'he scores when he wants , Robin Van Persie he scores when he wants' pointed at Wenger and the Directors box instead. Saddest thing is I don't think Kroenke or Wenger will lose any sleep over yesterday. As long as we get 4th spot and bank the champs league money, don't think either of them give a damn whether we win a trophy ever again.

  82. romane

    Feb 17, 2013, 16:36 #31912

    am tired of hearing we didn't convert our chances. why wenger rest our good players for a cup we not sure of winning for a cup we stand more chance of winning. and then try to regain it by making a triple sub when its too late. its not about resting players look at steven gerrad he played even 90min of the season so far he don't need rest. wenger out please u can't even zip up your own jacket. you look like mr bean and u acting dumb like him. leave before its too late you have done your job. time to go

  83. bergkampdude

    Feb 17, 2013, 16:25 #31910

    go through all the archives of wenger quotes and you will see that he twists his words to match the mood of the curcumstance. he has been playing us fans all along. don't boo. just don't turn up for matches. a half empty emirates stadium will frighten major sponsors and they will put the pressure on the board to act.

  84. Pete E

    Feb 17, 2013, 16:24 #31909

    John C is pleased we lost apparently. Moron.

  85. Mark Hoffman

    Feb 17, 2013, 16:23 #31908

    Anyone who saw Ferguson on Football Focus a couple of week ago will notice a different attitude to Wenger.When asked whether he could go 5 years without winning anything the reply was that it wouldn't happen at Man Utd......time for a change methinks

  86. Brigham

    Feb 17, 2013, 16:19 #31907

    I sit in row 13, block 01 and I can tell you that the mood around me yesterday was very much anti Wenger. It has been growing increasingly over the last two months or so, but yesterday, it was very much apparent. It did not help that when Blackburn scored, ALL of the stewards stood up and looked like they were egging on the Gooners in the crowd to have a go! Bunch of tosser, all of them. I did not boo the team off, never have done and never will, but it was shocking yesterday. Wenger's time is coming to an end and to be honest, its a shame, because the man has done so much good for the club. His continued time as our manager reminds me of a line in the Simon and Garfunkel son "Sounds of Silence" - Silence like a cancer grows!. You draw your own conclusions, but he is done in my book.

  87. CanadaGooner

    Feb 17, 2013, 16:01 #31903

    I just love the way onlinegooner draws the crowd after an arsenal loss. you cal youselves fans? (i have a lot of respect for the folks who are on here commenting or writing articles week in week out; but the idiots who only come on here after arsenal lose are simply pathetic - GO AND FIND OTHER THINGS TO DO WITH YOUR SAD LIVES!!) Now, to yesterday's debacle (and the upcoming "we tried hard and came close but lost to bayern"), why is it so suprising? if bradford could knock us out of the league cup why wouldnt blackburn knock us out of the FA cup?. several weeks back i said arsenal are as good as out of the FA Cup and i got some funny comments back (i even wagered a free pint with some folks on here). this result is nothing; we have to expect such results now: this is what the club is now all about. wenger no longer has real madrid and the clubs that used to chase after him in previous years, so he wont leave the good gig he has at arsenal. fergie racks up the years at old trafford and with it he racks up the trophy numbers; we have a manager who is just racking up years at the helm and he wont be winning another trophy at arsenal because the press and others turned him into an extremely arrogant, stubborn and washed-out manager. the handful of decent players we have (e.g. wilshere) will continue to walk away. brace yourselves fellow gooners; this is what we will have to put up with for a fair while (changing managers will eventually happen and it will help in the long run; but the rot has set in so deep now that nothing will change for many years to come until gazidis and other idiots are gone and a slow but gradual re-build of the club can start; we wont win another trophy for a long, long time to come). finally, as for the 'wenger out' camp: there's nothing to celebrate. all arsenal fans are arsenal supporters and we are all witnessing our club sinking into the mud; so, there are no winners here!

  88. Judd

    Feb 17, 2013, 15:28 #31901

    In Arsene We Trust! Arsene cant leave!

  89. Nwahiwe Ikenne christian

    Feb 17, 2013, 15:21 #31900

    There are no good days anymore

  90. GoonGer

    Feb 17, 2013, 14:54 #31898

    Good article Kevin,I think what does it for me is youre bit about his arrogance on the training ground towards his staff,that is just unacceptable.How can a man be so philosophical and yet arrogant it doesnt add up!!And the other nail in the coffin for Arsene "Gervinho".

  91. Highbury Boy

    Feb 17, 2013, 14:51 #31897

    The guy in front of me was singing "One Arsene Wenger" in the first half and as I was pretty angry at the end of the match and other fans were booing and moaning I said something like"it's because of fans like him (pointing to the guy) we are in this mess". I said "fans like him love Wenger and until he goes there won't be any change". The guy said "I respect your view and you have to respect my view" (He had obviously had this discussion before) and then said "If Wenger was at a billionaire's club he would have won loads of trophies;we are lucky to have him". I was just speechless.I can only put it down to him possibly being a relatively new fan who has only known Wenger and is afraid of change.

  92. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 17, 2013, 14:37 #31896

    Humiliation in the league,Humiliation in the CO cup,Humiliation in the FA cup, and there's still more to come,to steal a heading from our Editor, Has anyone now got the balls to put a stop to this ? Because as Kev has said this manager is a busted flush and has been for a long time how people still think ogl is the right person for the job is just baffling and indeed if he got us relegated they'd still think the same, but as your heading says Kev a few more cross the divide only i'd say it's a hell of a lot more than a few,change is needed and it's needed fast if this decline is to be stopped.Another Humiliation against a inferior team (or were they )from a lower division, a bunch of nobody's but maybe that's what we are these days ourselves.So much for sagna telling us they've learnt from Bradford did you ever hear such s***e i bet the 100k a week man wasn't as quick to hog the cameras yesterday as he usually is after we win to talk the same old s***e about pushing on and moving forward, expect them all to come out with the usual spin crap about being sorry and letting the fans down, well we're fed up hearing that scripted diarrhoea and not interested anymore it's to late for that.It's been said on here numerous times before and i'm going to say it again there's players wearing the shirt who are simply not good enough, useless, there's no need to mention their names.Yet again they can't get motivated or there's just nobody to motivate them to beat a bunch of nobody's ,unforgivable,at the end of the day there's one person responsible for that and that's the manager.The Editors right ogl is not going to change his ways now,whether he's to pig headed, to stubborn, or his giant ego won't allow him to, and he enjoys sticking two fingers up at the fans who knows.But the most obvious reason is he hasn't got it in him anymore, he's just not capable, he's lost it,so it's time for change.Good article Kev.

  93. Donald bege

    Feb 17, 2013, 14:37 #31895

    Enough is Enough..AW has money but refused to spend it ..So he should go ..Fans should stop going to the stadium for now..After 3 matches if that is done the board will seat up and know its time for a change..If he's not ready to buy then he should go..Too many average players in the team ..Enough is Enough

  94. john

    Feb 17, 2013, 14:23 #31894

    Ask me If I blame wenger or the board and I would say no. Then ask who the blame goes to then I say US the fans. We are a laughing stock in my country Nigeria and yet we have a blind blieve in the club. I say we boycott matches reduce the profits they make at the gate takings stop the purchase of merchandise worldwide and let's show them (the board and wenger) that they make the money because we give it to them. Anger burns through me and I officially suspended my support for the team after the game against Blackburn only if I knew this would continue I would have joined my younger brother who a year ago analysed the fact that we had no reason supporting a team Like Arsenal who celebrates a 4th position on the table as being a throphy. My advise to US boycott matches,stop the purchase of merchandise and stage regular protest(peaceful though) @ the Emirates to show our anger

  95. Peltonboy

    Feb 17, 2013, 14:13 #31893

    I thoroughly endorse you assessment of the current situation and the type of action required. Regrettably Kronke is so far removed from the situation that he is unaware of the groundswell of opinion against the current regime. In fact would he care anyway, he still takes handsome dividends out of the club each year.

  96. northbank123

    Feb 17, 2013, 14:07 #31892

    Brutally honest assessment of where we are and what needs to happen. I would alter the paragraph about not having beaten a genuine top team in Europe since 2008 though. Even if you include that ageing AC Milan team as top drawer (not sure I would, this Bayern team are better at any rate) then they are without doubt the only 'top' team we have beaten in ANY knock-out competition since we moved.

  97. Tony Evans

    Feb 17, 2013, 14:04 #31891

    HOPED FOR HEADLINE TODAY: Arsene Wenger resigns as Arsenal manager after finally admitting that he has 'lost his way'. In an interview this morning he lamented the fact that 'project youth' had not worked and that his 'jam tomorrow' promises had failed to convince senior players to stay at the club. A clearly tired and drawn looking Wenger declined to comment what the future held for him and wished his successor good luck before departing for the airport. REAL HEADLINE TODAY: Wenger says Arsenal's season is not over and they have every chance of winning the CL! How much more deluded and stubborn can he be?

  98. Ando

    Feb 17, 2013, 13:57 #31890

    7 mil plus pa x 8 years slow decline = UB40

  99. jjetplane

    Feb 17, 2013, 13:32 #31889

    Arsenal have been managerless ever since Adams, Bould, Pires, God and the rest departed the field. They were are guardians when we were winning trophies. I seriously contend that Wenger got too much praise for what others have done. As a economics geek through and through, Wenger has done what he is good at - filling his bank account at our expense. W.....!

  100. Adrian Wagenaar

    Feb 17, 2013, 13:25 #31888

    I think a lot of people thought the side would be good enough to beat Blackburn, when I saw it I thought it would be good enough to have a lot of possession. However possession does not win matches and without Podolski or Walcott any work by Giroud (who was awful) would be wasted and so it proved. Changing Wenger is not enough - the Board needs breaking up and restructuring. If someone does finally have "the balls" to dismiss AW then Moyes would be ideal - it might also mean that we get Felliani as well. We need a manager who employs coaches to coach not to sit next to the boss on match days and help with his zip when his coat goes wrong. Biggest worry is that our only hope, Jack Wishere will see the light and leave before we do enough to keep him. If I could make one comment to Kronke it would be "I thought all you Yanks were meant to be winners" no doubt he would tell me "have you seen our balance sheet"

  101. fuzzmo

    Feb 17, 2013, 13:25 #31887

    Uhm - don't agree with all of it, but the RealGunner didn't tweet that! It was a tweet circulated by many (mirror etc.) but not by her! Please correct it....

  102. Jamie

    Feb 17, 2013, 13:17 #31886

    If you get lamped as a result, remember that CCTV is recorded of everyone at every moment during the match. So the AKB that objects to your right to freedom of expression can be removed by the police for assault before half time, assuming you wish to press charges rather than hit them back. GENUIS PLAN!!

  103. mark from aylesbury

    Feb 17, 2013, 13:16 #31885

    I think most clubs other than ours of course would have given Steve Bould a season to sink or swim. If the rumours are true then the early season games gave us a taster of what might have been. Sadly everything is now totally ****ed and I expect Bould may now also be tarnished for circumstances beyond his control. Best thing now is start again with someone new. I would also favour an imediate resignation whether forced or otherwise. Trouble is Wenger is a money grabbing loser and the board are paralysed.

  104. Zbizz

    Feb 17, 2013, 13:14 #31884

    Paid £150 quid to watch that rubbish with the family - I've learned my lesson, I won't be doing that again. Something that might unite the crowd may be to sing Kronke out or sack the board. I'm not convinced changing Wenger will entirely help if we have a hierarchy so obviously content with failure so long as the bank balance is healthy. If the board and owner are not putting enough pressure on Wenger to succeed what's the chances they will do with a new manager if we continue to only aim for top four. Is it time to start singing 'There's only one David Dein', 'Sack the board' and 'Kroenke out' - something I reckon AKB and the Wenger out's can unite on? Oh, and after failing to score again against lower league teams, Gervinho still hasn't found his level!

  105. Habeeb

    Feb 17, 2013, 13:12 #31883

    It's about time we are bold enough to call for the re signature of Wenger. This hopeless Manager thinks he owns the club and fans. Selling RVP is the last straw for me. If Barcelona can replace Rijkaard, Guardiola, what makes Wenger irreplaceable? This Wenger business is getting depressing, for the first time in my life am considering not watching any Arsenal games until Wenger is sacked. #WengerOut

  106. UTU

    Feb 17, 2013, 13:09 #31882

    Too many Arsenal fans blame the board but Wenger goes along with their wishes, profits by any means. Wenger is part of the board, he sounds many like a company director, remember he said 4th place in the premier league is more important than the FA at the club's AGM last year. Fans must stop going to home games starving this regime of cash and then we will see the changes required to make The Arsenal a genuine football club that challenges for trophies. WENGER OUT

  107. Bodrum Gooner

    Feb 17, 2013, 13:08 #31881

    I'm not surprised that you're having difficulty selling your tacky, vitriolic little rag on matchdays. Despite being an avid reader in the past, it seems this rag has now found its true audience amongst the internet trolls. And now you want to encourage your vitriol to be chanted from the stands at matches. How very, very innovative! I'm sure the players will be grateful to, and proud of you, all!

  108. Omotola

    Feb 17, 2013, 13:00 #31880

    Wenger pls go,arsenal is not fun to watch anymore

  109. darma

    Feb 17, 2013, 12:47 #31879

    The man is only working for himself, am speechless.

  110. Stuart Fowler

    Feb 17, 2013, 12:38 #31878

    He has to go to avoid endless more years of broken promises and ridiculous statements. Before yesterday's game, he still hadn't given up on the treble!!!!!!!

  111. Anthony

    Feb 17, 2013, 12:38 #31877

    How long can we accept that Wenger runs his own race? It's time for à new manager, Why not bring in Mourinho, I would like to se à change for more speed and aggressive football in Arsenal. Send Wenger back to frog land.

  112. Dan

    Feb 17, 2013, 12:33 #31876

    I can't even be bothered to go anymore I stopped my season ticket last year and I know at least another 20 brilliant true hardcore supporters who have been going over 20/30 years who have had enough of how this club is being run.

  113. Earl Frankie

    Feb 17, 2013, 12:32 #31875

    Arsene Wenger is still an Invincible, only now he is invincible in the boardroom and not on the field of play, where he is yesterday's man.

  114. Steven Fry

    Feb 17, 2013, 12:32 #31874

    I've supported Wenger as much as I can but yesterday was the final straw for me, I'm fed up of seeing **** like Ramsey Jenkinson and Gervinho, they should get no where near our squad, Wengers tactics of 4-5-1 are predictable and boring, he doesn't change it EVER and the fact he ALWAYS waits till 70 mins to make his subs is a ****ing joke! I do however think that chanting "Wenger out" is a disgraceful thing to do for someone (like you said yourself) has done so much for the club. We pride ourselves on acting in a classy manner and this action couldn't be further away from what we are and should be about!!!

  115. @arsenalise365

    Feb 17, 2013, 12:31 #31873

    Pleased we lost? It's fans like you Johnc that we need to get rid of, not the manager.

  116. John Abrehart

    Feb 17, 2013, 12:26 #31872

    Spot on Editor. I saw my first Arsenal game in 1957 with the peerless Jack Kelsey in goal. He would catch the bloody ball, so would some of his illustrous successors, Bob Wilson (sleeves rolled up and no gloves, Pat Jennings, John Lukic even. This modern way of parrying the ball is ridiculously dangerous but we are told that the coaches insist on it becuase of the swerve on the modern ball. What, in the cold winter air! The Brazilians could make the old heavy ball swerve but the keepers would catch it. To attempt to catch with soft hands when,if spilled the ball would end close to the keeper is surely preferable to being parried out to the opposition's feet? Our failure to strenghten the team in the areas needed, ie, keeper, holding midfielder and back up striker borders on the criminal. The left back purchased looks half decent but he is cup-tied in the Champions League. To play haircut in place of Arshavin is a joke. If the Manager is freezing him out due to some personal reason that is pathetic. I have only seen him once this season, against Reading in the League Cup. His first cross cleared the first defender for a change and led to a goal. Yesterday's result was predictable and all Wenger's early suucess is being erased by the debacles of Blackburn, Bradford, Birmingham, 4-4, and 8-2 etc. I am off the fence, he must go sadly.

  117. Paul

    Feb 17, 2013, 12:26 #31871

    Step1: sack wenger Step2: appoint new manager Step3: make jack captain Step4: build team round him We could dominate for 10-15 years

  118. Paul, Glasgow

    Feb 17, 2013, 12:19 #31870

    A very sad but superbly written piece. It's horrific that it's come to this but a club that treats it's supporters with such contempt will only listen if some cages are rattled. The problem is if we somehow manage to scramble into a fourth place finish then nothing will change.

  119. Arsenefication

    Feb 17, 2013, 12:18 #31869

    Wenger must go, enough is enough! The man is delusional .. Just remember how he was proud to sell RVP to Man U.. To me he's no more than a scout .. For Man U that is!!

  120. Oliver Chessis

    Feb 17, 2013, 12:18 #31868

    Kevin I actually tried to write a pro Wenger article for submission the other day. My problem was that the argument against is so inconsistent, its difficult to remain coherent while tying to justify what is happening at the club. Take the most recent Gooner podcast. One minute you complain we are run as a business, the next you are concerned if Walcott is 'worth' his contract. One minute we need wholesale change, the next buying three new players caused us to have a slow start and is the reason for our poor position. I would love the opportunity to come on to the next pod and explain my position, which is, in a nutshell, that if you think the club has only started treating the fans like mugs for 8 years, you need to get real.

  121. Dan Smith

    Feb 17, 2013, 12:08 #31867

    "If supporters are chanting inside the stadium against Wenger on a habitual basis and fights are breaking out in the crowd over the issue, that is going to be very poor PR for the Arsenal brand. That would force action. It’s horrible to have to do, but needs must." Oh give over, I am all for wanting Wenger out, and I agree with the rest of your well reasoned article, but we are not Chelsea or West Ham knuckleheads, no need for fights and someone in your position of influence shouldn't even be suggesting they would be a good idea.

  122. Clive Isle of Man Gooner

    Feb 17, 2013, 12:02 #31866

    Leadership, direction and focus comes from the top in any organisation. Our leader is an American who has no interest in Arsenal and no interest in "soccer". A man who barely attends a game and when he does will often leave at half time. Kronke out.

  123. Reg

    Feb 17, 2013, 12:00 #31865

    @ realGooner. Between the rant and poor english, can you actually put forward an argument please? I agree with Johnc. Keep cheering it and they'll keep serving it up!

  124. Wenger Out!

    Feb 17, 2013, 11:45 #31864

    Why dont you go and support Chelski.Plastic fan - only joking!!! Great article. Agree with every word. Direct action now - banners, chanting, marches. Wenger Out!

  125. Frank

    Feb 17, 2013, 11:44 #31863

    Kevin, this is the best article i've ever read regarding Arsenal and you are 100% spot on! Can all the Wenger supporters come out now and support this deluded d*ckhead? Come on, where are you all? Let's hear what you all have to say. Eight f*cking long years these so called "in Arsene we trust" supporters have been blind and continued to support the manager despite the team declining every single season. And they would say to the fans calling for Wenger's head things such as: you're not a 'true' Arsenal fan, go and support Chelski, etc. etc. time and time again. Well i hope these blind fans that i speak of have finally opened their eyes and seen the light and how wrong they were. Like Kevin says, the Arsenal board won't force change so it's time for the fans to try and force change. Now i love the idea of the chant that's been mentioned but in my opinion, the best thing for any Arsenal fan to do is simple...do not turn up to Arsenal games! See the more fans that turn up to games, the happier the owners and the board are because it means more money in their pockets. They're not concerned what the f*ck happens on the field. All they care about is having more bums on seats at the games. So the less fans that go to the Arsenal games, the more the owners and board will be hit in the pockets. It's all about the money people. It's quite simple, don't turn up to games and i bet you, change will start happening. First change will be the sacking of the manager which is what we all want. Until then, don't expect to see any changes at Arsenal as the owners and board are quite happy to rake in the dollars while us fans continue to go to Arsenal matches and watch a pub team stroll around the pitch and not give a f*ck at all. Wenger included.

  126. Rob

    Feb 17, 2013, 11:35 #31862

    If that story about him and Bould being poles apart is true, then it's even worse than the performance. We can't - we just literally can't - carry on like that. He has to go at the end of the season. I doubt if he will and that means next season will be even more hellish than this one. Sad days. When Neil had to go, he left quickly. This is slow torture.

  127. Bard

    Feb 17, 2013, 11:32 #31861

    Pretty balanced post in the circumstances Kev. I dont think the result is that significant in the bigger scheme of things. There is absolutely no doubt that there is something fundamentally wrong at the core of the team and at the club. There is and has been for a long time a culture of complacency and acceptance of mediocrity disguised under the banner of 'we dont have the money'. I have posted many times before that the only way of effecting change is for us fans to take matters into our own hands and your suggestion seems a really good one. Someone, somebody needs to stand up and show that they really care about the club and the way its going. The nightmare scenario is that Wenger will still be there next year having spent shedload on another group of under performing 'maybes' in the summer and will push the club over the edge into Liverpool territory. A situation that will take a decade or more to remedy. Which of us watching yesterday is really shocked that we could lose to Blackburn at home. If Bayern get an early goal turn it could turn into a massacre.

  128. Esso

    Feb 17, 2013, 11:31 #31860

    Absolute shameful editorial. Its come to this has it? Encouraging Arsenal fans to 'lamp' each other for the sake of? Not the club. Not The Arsenal. But your shameful little rag and its poisonous agenda.

  129. James Ryddel

    Feb 17, 2013, 11:31 #31859

    The fact that Wenger out was trending on Twitter means nothing. I doubt any of the Arsenal stalwarts like Adams, Henry, Bold, Dixon or Bergkamp would go along with you ref chating to sack Wenger. It is embarrassing.

  130. realGooner

    Feb 17, 2013, 11:27 #31858

    JohnC U ARE AN ABSOLUTE MUG, WHAT TYPE OF FAN ARE 'PLEASED TO LOSE' YOUR A DISGRACE ALONG WITH THIS WHITCHER FELLA...JOG ON AND SUPPORT UNITED THEN YOU GLORY HUNTING IDIOTS, YOU WOULD BE THE TYPE OF FAN WHO IF WE EVER GOT RELEGATED WOULD STOP FOLLOWING THE TEAM!! SAD PEOPLE YOU ARE

  131. Kent gooner

    Feb 17, 2013, 11:21 #31857

    Maybe we should start chanting....... Van Persie was right, Van Persie was right...... we've no ambition..... Van Persie was right.

  132. @dickydoubts

    Feb 17, 2013, 11:13 #31856

    Can't believe people have left this so long , he lost the plot some time back. Many wasted years as people have been fooled by his repeated excuses!

  133. TinoA

    Feb 17, 2013, 11:11 #31855

    I don't think booing or jeering at 37 minutes is a good idea. I still think Wenger will get us into the top 4. Making sure this happens comes first for me, before wanting a new manager. And the 37 minute idea would make things worse before it made them better. Do we want to be in a position where we are not in the champions league,and we are looking for a new manager. Who would be intersted in taking the job then? I still believe it is speculation as to who controls the transfer kitty. Dick Law or Arsene Wenger, I don't think anyone really knows outside of 'the Arsenal Corporation'. Dick Law's role is player contracts. Blaming Wenger solely for transfers and contracts is in effect saying Dick Law's role is redundant. But on the whole, we need to be better at getting rid of dead wood that is for sure. And Wenger's prolonged faith in players I put down to him wanting his player investments to come to fruition. I use these terms as its all business now, not football anymore. This comes at the price of giving payers too much time in our first team when they are not good enough. Just one thing I wanted to point out, the way Wilshere went down in the Sunderland game. That seemed completely manufactured to me. Wenger must have told him to go down, just so he could avoid another situation like when he substitued AOC during the home game against ManU last season. He would have wanted to rest him after the England game, what with champions league round the corner. Its a good job we won that game, but at the time Wilshere went down it was still 0-0. If you saw the way Wilshere went down, and the way he signalled to be taken off, you must have thought something didn't add up.

  134. jackweddell

    Feb 17, 2013, 11:10 #31854

    You talk as if this is all some big conspiracy by Wenger against us :L Also "The Gunners have not beaten a genuine top side in Europe since 2008". Do Barcelona not count as a "genuine top side"? :P Pathetic supporting

  135. Ramgun

    Feb 17, 2013, 11:07 #31853

    The remaining Wengerites are like followers of David Koresh in Waco Texas. Nothing will ever get them to admit that they are wrong. Almost three years ago I wrote a somewhat tongue-in-cheek article about Bob Wilson and some of the jokers on other Arsenal sites saying that Arsene will get it right as we approach the big Ryman's Isthmian League play-off match with Dulwich Hamlet in 2025. I was making it clear that Arsene Wenger supporters have no tipping point. To be rid of The Gang Of Four (Wenger, Hill-Wood, Gazides and Kroenke) would be great, but the only removal that that change anything is the long overdue sacking of Wenger. By the way, I thought that Wenger lost to a lower division team in a domestic cup match a few years ago when Burnley knocked us out of the League Cup.

  136. Gare Kekeke

    Feb 17, 2013, 11:04 #31852

    Wow Kevin, I applaud you for your idea on the 8th minute chant but as you said, fans will get lamped for it. Those who saw scuffles in the away end at Brighton & Wigan can verify it (and even more pathetic that there are ‘fans’ that were glad it happened. Grow up FFS). Let’s not imitate Chelsea fans too. They have stupidly copied what is done at Aston Villa for Stiliyan Petrov but they are showing support to their captain who is going through a bigger battle (get well soon Stan). As for the loss to Blackburn, they fully deserved it. They certainly taught us how to defend and I’m not ashamed to admit that I was one of the many who applauded them after the game. Nice to see that Gooners (regardless of where they stand on Wenger) have some class. Remember folks that the Blackburn boss Michael Appleton is a former Man Utd trainee so I’d imagine there is a smiling Glaswegian up in Manchester. The starting eleven was good enough to beat Blackburn but we lacked a hunger and desire to win and it wasn’t until Blackburn scored that we finally gained interest in the game. Pathetic. And being done by a fellow Gooner too; very painful. As for some of our players; Gervinho, a headless chicken we could do without; Diaby, so much talent but not enough discipline (he thinks he‘s a striker FFS); Arteta, badly found out as a DM & the Ox has badly regressed. I didn’t think he played well in the Euros and it’s continued since then. Seeing as financially we can’t compete with Chelsea & the Manchester clubs, then by that logic, Blackburn can’t compete with us therefore we should have beaten them. And this time last year, they were in the midst of being relegated from the Premier League. But football matches aren’t won with solely on an open chequebook. Sadly too many Wenger apologists (not of them Gooners) think this way. I’m no Mourinho fan by any stretch of the imagination but he proved at FC Porto he didn’t have to spend massive amounts of money to achieve greatness. Yes, there was luck but all teams need it. I do agree with you Kevin on Man Utd and how they have handled their massive debt but no Wenger apologist brings that. Instead we get things like ‘points per spend’. Useful but trivial in my book. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, FFP from UEFA & the Premier League will not make us defend better. It’s sad that what’s happening to Wenger but he along with the board have to take full responsibility and somewhere along the line, there has to be a massive change starting at the boardroom. But sadly, I can’t see that happening for a very long time. Very sad. At least as someone who is half-Nigerian I can still celebrate my country being crowned African champions. Shame that The Arsenal have almost spoiled it! Up The Arsenal!

  137. ARSENAL FC 1886

    Feb 17, 2013, 11:00 #31851

    STAND UP FOR WENGER OUT STAND UP FOR WENGER OUT STNND UP FOR WENGER OUT

  138. stevus

    Feb 17, 2013, 11:00 #31850

    My only issue with #8Minutes is that it should really be #9Minutes, because 2014 will be the earliest AFC can win anything (CL fantasists can dream on). Song ideas (i) "Wenger, Wenger, Time To Go; Wenger, Time To Go" - to tune of Georgie Sort It Out; (ii) "Ivan Gazidis, you've ruined our club" - to the tune of Sloop John B; (iii) "Oh Stanley Kroenke, he's worth a billion dollars but he does f**k all" - tune of Son Of The Father obviously. We need a SERIOUS bandwagon now to clear up this sh*te. Keep up the good work.

  139. Block G Gooner

    Feb 17, 2013, 10:52 #31849

    Great article - I for one will be shouting WENGER OUT a the top of my voice. Just as I have been at every painful home game this season. The man is finished as a top level manager. 4-5-1 at home to a mid table championship team just about sums it all up.

  140. Gaz

    Feb 17, 2013, 10:50 #31848

    For me the Norwich away game was the last straw and since then I've lost all interest. Hate feeling that way as obviously-like most of you-the Clubs been such a huge part of my life for well over 35 years. Only reason I'm posting this is to say that the only thing that causes me to react nowadays is when I hear the comment 'all Arsene has to do is.....'. As far as I'm concerned he wont ever change-simple, end of. We all therefore have only the two choices to make. Support Wenger and accept nothing will change. Or want him out on the basis thats the only way we'll see a change. I think we all know he'll never be sacked and I doubt he'll ever walk away as he's far too arrogant to even think he's remotely to blame for all of this. And even if he did our current board are so useless I wouldn't trust them to appoint the right successor anyway. This mess has been 8 years in the making and its gonna take a seismic event to even start to put things right. Perhaps Kevs protest idea will kickstart this off? I certainly hope so.

  141. jamie hunter

    Feb 17, 2013, 10:44 #31847

    I'd like to add if its ok: with season ticket renewals going out soon (usually march I think, luckily I don't own one) get ready for some serious rumours about summer signings. Some really juicy ones too. I'm talking goetze, lewandowski, maybe even fellaini. Expect very soon a rumour about cavani to mysteriously surface which wenger will deny with a cheeky smile that makes you wonder if maybe there is something to it. Don't worry, there's not. Chamakh is coming back instead.

  142. Rob

    Feb 17, 2013, 10:44 #31846

    Chanting 'wenger out' will change nothing and make us a further laughing stock to our rivals. If you really want to show the board you're unhappy, stop turnin up to games.

  143. Reg

    Feb 17, 2013, 10:34 #31845

    It's a holiday camp there and has been for a good few years and anyone with any sense gets out. Protest is the only way to get rid of this horrible regime so the time has come. It's in our hands

  144. Nozzer

    Feb 17, 2013, 10:29 #31844

    Yesterday there was on urgency or ideas, there was no character. The team is the worst in the league if not all four divisions without the ball. This is the worst Arsenal team in years for me, we have some good individual players but they are not a unit. It is a fact that you cannot build a team if your best players leave every year. Selling RVP to Man U showed how far we have fallen. Sure we don't have the money of the petro clubs but our wage bill is higher than Bayern Munichs. The blame falls at Wengers door, there is no tactical plan whatsoever. The players at united would be scared to put in that performance, ours are not. Arsene please go.

  145. Earl Frankie

    Feb 17, 2013, 10:24 #31843

    In the modern game Wenger will not do better than aiming for the mediocrity of fourth place, without any hope of winning the consequent champions league. So we are all meant to all worship the mediocrity of fourth place, and ignore the fact that since wenger took over at Arsenal, Alex Ferguson has come FIRST 9 times? Wenger is a dictator and is running Arsenal from his hip pocket, and marginalises Steve Bould. This type of management style has no room in modern football, and is the main reason why Arsenal is the best example of a "nearly" team. Nearly well managed. Nearly made it. Nearly sacked it's manager.

  146. Jamie

    Feb 17, 2013, 10:22 #31842

    Kevin can you clarify wether bouldy had a dispute with wenger or not ? Your sending mixed messages when earlier this season you said there wasn't an issue and Kevin Francis I think said on a podcast nutty told him everything's fine between him and wenger. However this has backtracked and now they do hate each other. What is it ? If you look at the 2 of them on the bench they make on eye contact what so ever !! What a ridulous state of affairs is there anyone arsene considers an equal. Thought this guy was supposed to be humble

  147. John A

    Feb 17, 2013, 10:17 #31841

    We pay for steak and get donkey meat. On that basis I will dine elsewhere until they change the chef and the menu.

  148. Stumpy den

    Feb 17, 2013, 10:08 #31840

    Not been on for while mostly because of the general apathy. But after yesterday I had to say something. The squad is just not good enough to challenge for anything. Other teams above us have squads that have players that want to play and win and are good enough to play at any time. As our squad showed yesterday the squad is full of **** players that appear not interested in winning or playing for the pride of the shirt and our history. Something drastic needs to happen a massive change is needed throughout the club. This is Arsenal we have history and a pride in football which must be the foundation stone that all future players need to learn. playing the way we have over the last few seasons is Not good enough

  149. N4

    Feb 17, 2013, 10:02 #31839

    Very true article but until we keep going to matches and spend money on Arsenal items, the current management will keep happening and they will see no issues at the club. I can't believe that we play so poor at home! I don't understand why didn't remove Diaby instead?!!! We need to ask Silent Stan Out as well not just Wenger!!!

  150. RJ - dismalologist

    Feb 17, 2013, 10:02 #31838

    Dismal. We played with 9 men for most of the game (Gervin-oh-no and Dire-aby - dismal). Corners - dismal. Sir Chesney called on to make one save and f***s it up - dismal. The Ox - all that promise from last season has been coached away - dismal. Giroud marked out of the game by two lumps from the Championship - never even once got on the right side of his defender - dismal. Taking off Rosicky on seventy minutes - dismal. Well done to Blackburn, stuck to their plan very very well and showed how clueless we are - no Plan B - dismal. Lack of urgency deep into injury time - dismal. Arsene - thanks for the memories, it is time to go. But of course - the dismal board will not force the issue. Dismal. However - I will continue going, I will continue to love my team, I will continue to be a proud Gooner - but I am now without real hope until there is change. I hope Arsene proves me wrong. Come on you Gooners.

  151. Ade

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:59 #31837

    Although yesterday's result was shockingly infuriating and will no doubt attract the justifiable post-match criticism,one wonders why there never seem to be any pre-match articles.The truth is anyone can analyse what went wrong when they know the result.Just a few years back an analyst was on MOTD saying RVP was not good enough and that arsenal needed a better striker. And while some of our current players have been very disappointing ,I dare say,Even Messi won't be anywhere near where he is today if he knows he is just another disappointing result from getting unbelievable amount of stick from his supporters and the media.

  152. Anna Mary

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:57 #31836

    The perfect article after a long time.... I always supported Wenger but the time has come for him to go. We're just the same... Stale, cannot defend and toothless in attack. This is the perfect time to get Mourinho. He wants to come back to England. He will get the stability he needs at Arsenal & he could attract top players too. We should move before the Chavs, ****ty or PSG get him. Arsene we really love you.... But maybe the time has come to say goodbye.

  153. Mark Rice

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:54 #31835

    It's like the Arab spring ... The only way things are going to change is if we take action (a) let Wenger know we have had enough (b) make things known to our wank of a yank that he's not going to make money next year as no one will buy the discussing over price food and beer. No one puts a bet on with Betson, no one spends in the club shop and season tickets will not be renewed and if you do not until deadline day.... 37 minute against Villa (even if we do beat munich) I'm up for it but let's all aggree on the chant????

  154. Bob

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:48 #31834

    Absolutely agree with every word. Every fan who claims to love Arsenal and care about the relentless decline of our club under Wenger should have the courage to campaign for a change of manager. Those inside the stadium - the paying punters - are realistically the only ones that have the power to effect change. For those who say "Mourinho wouldn't be interested in Arsenal", the answer is to change our approach to team-building and resourcing so radically that he will be.

  155. Jay

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:48 #31833

    If its true that Wenger and Bould had an altercation, it is very clear that Wenger's ego is getting in the way of making judgements which help the team.( As much as I hate to think about it,I don't think this kind of thing with Ferguson). No one is arguing the fact that Arsenal make profits every season and they are a very well run club but that doesn't mean complacency on the pitch is justified. The defense has led to our undoing so many times over the last few seasons that its just impossible to think that there's much wrong with our players(players have come and gone). The fact that we keep making the same mistakes (individual errors, over-committing in attack and so on) shows that team hasn't learnt from its mistakes. Responsibility HAS TO lie with Wenger for not sorting it out.After they learnt that Gibbs would be out for 6 weeks, the Nacho Moreal deal came through, which makes me think that if we really want to make a signing we can, but that doesn't seem to be the manager's style. I'm not even complaining about that, I actually think the squad is pretty decent (I know its nowhere near the kind of quality we've had in the past).But they certainly aren't well drilled and I won't even start on motivation.Responsibility again lies with the manager. I once read somewhere that when Wenger was in charge at Monaco, he did a similar thing of relying overtlty on youth after a a successful start to his time there and ended up getting the sack. He won't be sacked by the board at Arsenal thats for sure (you don't sack people you build a bronze bust to show your appreciation for). For me the only hope is that he doesn't renew his contract (not sure how he'll be able to do that with fans questioning his honour and integrity,getting paid 7.5 million a year and all that).Its obviously too early to talk about who should succeed him but I'm guessing the freshness that comes with change of management can only be good for the team.

  156. Paul Heaton

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:44 #31832

    We can't compete with the petro dollars is the usual cry from Wenger's disciples, conveniently forgetting the fact that we used to compete with Manchester United on far fewer resources than we supposedly have now. However, since we last won anything we've been knocked out of the domestic cups by Blackburn (twice), Bolton, Burnley, Bradford, Birmingham, Stoke, Wigan and Sunderland. That's nothing to do with financial doping is it? To me it's just proof that Wenger is a pale shadow of the manager that he once was, or that he doesn't take the Cups seriously enough, or probably both. As for the Ed's suggestion of a "Wenger out" chant, I don't disagree but I don't think it will happen. Wenger's disciples are too handy with their fists and the atmosphere is becoming increasingly poisonous both home and away. The feelings amongst the Wenger out support does need to be channelled though. A lid was kept on the feelings of a lot of people towards Wenger on the last march. It's time to vent those feelings. BSM, over to you.

  157. Big Dave

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:43 #31831

    Better late then never well said sir Direct Action Now

  158. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:43 #31830

    Kev, only one man for the job short term. George Graham wouldn't put up with this bunch of tossers half of them would be out on their ear within a week. Enough water under the bridge now I think for the great man to make a comeback. Anyone who thinks he couldn't cut it in today's world need only to see JM or SA or TP at this level.

  159. Daniel Roberts

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:42 #31829

    Well it's hard to argue with any of that I'm afraid......

  160. Jed

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:34 #31828

    Kevin, I'm with you. The sooner he's gone the sooner we can rebuild and the sooner we can hope again. Wenger out.

  161. ianmac

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:32 #31827

    Spot on Kevin. If the Steve Bould incident is true then he should resign. He will earn respect and will get a job elsewhere. If he is not able to do what he wants in certain circumstances there's no use him just being a yes man. I think we should gently applaud RVP in April when he returns rather than boo, to show that he was right to leave this shambles that is afc. WENGER OUT

  162. Tookland

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:32 #31826

    If I hadn't given up my season ticket in disgust at this foul regime four years ago I would be right behind this proposal. Buying a ticket just to boo seems rather perverse - but I'm considering it...

  163. Bergkamp10

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:27 #31825

    Win the European cup????? I will be happy if its a five goal deficit. We are going to be tonked. I'm not wasting any time talking about yesterday, except I'm not renewing my silver membership, along with my old man. We will be going to Brentford until Wenger has said aurevoir

  164. Stevesam

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:24 #31824

    Kev sums up my feelings very well. My only argument would be that the protest or demonstrations should be against the part – owner Silent Stan and Yanks Out. The American business model has not changed since Stan took control, profit first, asset strip and self sustainability. With no further investment. This shall continue until the Yanks have gone, it does not matter who the Manager is. Here is a scenario, Ivan the Terrible calls SS at the end of the season, “Stan we have received an offer for Wilshere of 40 Million” SS “That seems good business, sell” Ivan –“ What about Sagna and Vermalen” Stan – “ Get what you can, we can rely on AW to replace them “ The cancer is within. At the end of yesterdays game, the discontent could be clearly heard all around me in the North bank upper and some of the comments were not printable. We have all known for some time that our once great and respected Club is in serious decline. AW is not the man to change that. Any protest must include Usmanov and Dein. Surely they can see what is happening and cannot be happy. The keeper was at fault again. I have stated many times before we have not replaced Lehmann. Any decent keeper would have saved that first shot and not deflected it into the danger area. To me Sicky was a limited MoM, but what did AW change, precisely on 70 minutes, takes him off and leaves Diabolical on. Let’s start to make life very uncomfortable for Silent Stan and Ivan the Terrible.

  165. Clive the Gooner

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:13 #31823

    No leader no pride no passion. How much further backwards do we have to go before our comatose board acts. Awful

  166. Andy Sunderland

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:06 #31822

    I've said it once as are now most people Arsene Wenger a stubborn self indulgent man has simply lost the plot and any deluded gooners who think the club are ever gonna challenge for the league title again under his rein need your head examined , I'm sad that fans are now fighting amongst themselves although this happened in my day during the last month of Terry Neill's era during 1983 , The club are geared for a top four finish every year and that's why Mr Wenger always rest players for FA Cup matches does it every year yet fans are still expected to pay full whack to see these matches . The club is stale Mr Wenger never looks happy now and I really feel this should now be his last season and I don't think the club would do any worse if Steve Bould took over as he is a man in touch with football today . No player from the club will ever criticise Mr Wenger because that's the way it goes but once he leaves then that all changes . The move to the sponsored stadium has been good financially but terrible for the fans no atmosphere seats miles from the pitch and how many empty seats are at each game yet they keep giving the crowd at 60,000 which is utter nonsense . Good luck to all you Wenger lovers and in Arsene we trust but his time is up thank you and good bye .

  167. fozzy's mate

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:05 #31821

    After 20 mins yesterday I predicted a nil nil draw such was the lack of intensity which typifies todays Arsenal. As the horror unfolded and the final whistle blew I watched many in my section some of whom have slated me at times for daring to criticise OGL, laying into him big time. For my part I was reacting this way in January 2009 after 4 nil nil draws in a row and a midfield of Eboue, Diaby, Denilson and a young Song. A brief upsurge followed the signing of the then world class Arshavin before a half assed decision not to play the Russian dwarf in the FA cup semi final was followed by the gutless capitulation to manure in the ecl semi final both home away. 4 yrs on and even those that have swallowed the club propaganda that Wenger invented Arsene FC in 1996 are starting to feel the same way. What I saw 4 yrs ago was the gradual but steady decline in the standard of players breeding discontent in the quality players left at the time and the acceptance by the club that 4th place was good enough. As one who accepted our fate some years ago, I was fairly apathetic yesterday. But I still think it is the worst home defeat since a late George Graham side succumbed at home to Millwall in a mid 90s replay. OGLS defiant claims of not having lost to a lower division side have been swept aside by two poor Northern sides in one season. His other favourite of having been in the champions league forever despite only having reached the semi final twice is now hanging by a thread. Does anyone (even Wenger) actually think we can beat a Munich side who are 18 points ahead of Dortmund who proved better than Real Madrid in the group stages. But even though defeat is inevitable over 2 legs home capitulation could be a horrendous prelude for the rest of the season. Despite my apathy one thing I am f+++'+++ annoyed about is that we find ourselves in this position with 160 million in the bank while in the harshest of economic times even the likes of me in the cheap seats shell out a grand. A drifting club, with an ambitionless board, led by a has been manager who has lost his way. I look forward to the useful smoke and mirrors re signings pre-renewal before Diaby is once again used as the reason for not signing a midfield player.

  168. graham yates

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:05 #31820

    Wenger does not have a squad worth rotating. They may be international players but not from the top table of international teams. I agree 7.75m can get you anyone these days. For Arsenal to push for FFP when we have a very well renumerated boss is total hypocrisy!I will be at Villa next week leading the chants........

  169. HowardL

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:04 #31819

    I recall the days when, however bad Arsenal had been in a given year, there was "always next season". Even that seems to have disappeared now as things get progressively worse. It is time for change.

  170. Dan h

    Feb 17, 2013, 9:04 #31818

    Szczesny totally at fault for their goal still 90 mins at home against a championship side it shouldn't come down to that.Who actually played well Rosicky maybe gets off with a shot that hit the bar & a key pass to Max'Gervinho'Wall.He reminded me of the film platoon after his miss the way he reacted.Interesting that i was watching the game Liam Brady was a studio guest & they asked him about ACON's best player he said 'you wouldn't put your house on him finishing anything'scathing assessment.Another £8m & probably another £10m wasted in wages awful player.OGL whatever the opponent be it Bradford,Blackburn or Bayern same formation same style of slow sideways risk free football.The first half of our home games again proves this tepid & only get going at times after HT.One up front at home to Blackburn in the cup what are we afraid of? A back 4 yesterday with virtually no one to mark it has gone beyond a joke.I read there were scuffles after the game the club should be embarrased it has come to this.For the first time since 1983/84 season i will not be attending any games good some will say.I would not barrack the team or individual during a game but the booing after the game yesterday was totally justified.2014 can't come soon enough if they give him a new contract it's because of the balance sheet not the team sheet & results.It makes me think that many thousands like myself have decided not to go anymore because of the manager & board what is still prominent at games is support for a man they believe ia beyond critic & can do no wrong.They really must be putting something in the tea & pints for anyone to believe OGL should not go sadly i believe we have at least another year of this farce to run.

  171. Vip

    Feb 17, 2013, 8:57 #31817

    Well said Kevin and I applaud you and the website for finally taking this stance. Lets raise the roof 8 minutes into each home game. Enough is enough. Count me in....now we need another 59, 998.

  172. WengerOut

    Feb 17, 2013, 8:56 #31816

    Agree 100% Kevin, as usual you and I are in total agreement. I left the ground yesterday despairing of my fellow gooners, when will they wake up to the reality of our decline and start the chants you are calling for? The club is sliding into mid-table nothingness fast, we have the power to effect change if we make the managers life so uncomfortable at the stadium. Come on gooners let's arrest this decline before It's to late

  173. GoonerRon

    Feb 17, 2013, 8:56 #31815

    We are such an infuriating team. To be fair to Wenger the team he put out was much stronger than I had anticipated so I really didn't see the defeat coming, inspire of our relative inconsistency this season. I'll never say never when it comes to winning the CL because I can't absolutely predict the future, but obviously it's a long shot. One small comment, I see Wenger's salary has suddenly jumped to £7.75m per year this morning - this does seem to be going up by £0.25m every few weeks on here.

  174. jj

    Feb 17, 2013, 8:55 #31814

    One of the best articles ever written on the Gooner. For the AKB's just ask yourself if Bale would have developed into the player he is now if he had signed for Wenger?

  175. Peter Wain

    Feb 17, 2013, 8:50 #31813

    As they say a fish rots from the head down and with and absentee owner who cares so little for the club he will not invest any money to purchase new players, a septuganarian board too busy counting their Kroenke dollars to worry about the club and an authoritarian manager who has lost all sense of perspective Arsenal have all of the ingredients. Next season lower mid table will be about all this lot of no hopers can attain. No reliable goal keeper but with back ups so awful you are scared he may get injured, the fattest and worst left back in the clubs history (thankfully on loan never to play for us again) no reliable centre halves and a right back whose performances had slipped alarmingly. Wenger got lucky with the Gibbs injury after the transfer window as it would have been fatty playing a lot of games. The midfield with the exception of Wiltshire (who ever advised him to sign a contract exension should be knighted) is sterile. Cazorla 's performances are patchy and Arteta is no holding mid field player. Diaby is just too slow, Ramsey has deteriorated and Coquelhin never gets a decent run to establish whther he is good enough or not. The defence is so awful that I am reminded of the 1950' and early sixties. Nothing is done to remedy basic errors which occur tine after time. Positional play is non existent, covering athing of the past and tracking runners left for someone else. When a cross comes in the team as whole ducks and is surprised when we concede goal after goal. Up front poor management forced us to pay an indifferent player £100k per week whilst our best player is on a lot less than that. The worst premiership footballer ever in Gervinho still manages to get into the squad (and amazingly the team)showing the complete lack of any depth and finally a slow but fully committed centre forward who when he plays well is just above average. Finally a salary structure that borders on the unbeleivable paying poor players sums far above their worth which means they happily sit out the matches of go on loan after loan. Bendtnerand Denilson back this summer again. Be prepared for the usual "we will be busy in the transfer window looking to bring in lots of players and strenghten the squad." Once the season ticket renewal date has passed lots of talk no action finally on the last day buying total rubbish wrapped up as the dogs doo-dars with Wenger complaining it is impossible to find better players than we already have. Kroenke please please sell I would say go but you so rarely visit the club why bother. Take the snake oiled lying two faced sales man Gazidis with you and finally our beloved manager you have to go - the club is in dire straits with all of the teams performing poorly, few young players being produced and 15 place in the premeirship may seem a panacea next season. Also please sack the scout who found Santos and Gervinho I cannot believe anyone could have recommended those two after watching them for five minutes. Wenger has produced football of a sublime nature but for least the last four years we have been declining selling world class players and replacing them with world class duds and now are on the slippery slope to obscurity and he has no idea how to stop the decline.

  176. James

    Feb 17, 2013, 8:50 #31812

    How does Wenger get away with it when the media are slaughtering Mancini Benitez and Rodgers.Us Gooners are not just fighting the AKB's but the media who defend Wenger at every opportunity.I talk to fans of other clubs in my line of work and they cant believe Wenger is still in a job.Think about it Birmingham cup final,4-4 Newcastle,8-2 Man Utd,AC Milan 4-0,Bradford and Blackburn the list goes on.Sell our best players world class players in the case of Cesc and RVP and replace them with dross Gervinho Squillaci Chamakh Park Santos.The only way to get Wenger out is for every ST holder to write to Gazidis and say you will not renewn your season ticket this summer if Wenger remains.The only way to get rid of Wenger is to hit the club hard in the pocket.As Gazidiz said it will be the fans who decide Wengers fate.So there you are its your choice Gooners

  177. jamie hunter

    Feb 17, 2013, 8:46 #31811

    Kev, fantastic article and hopefully your various online connections will spread the word about the 8th minute chant. I certainly will. I'm relatively new to Twitter but maybe trying to get something like #afc8thminute to trend would build it up? As for the latest **** fest of a game, worryingly I and others fail to get too worked up about it. We are what we are. We are Everton. We are Newcastle. We are Liverpool. We will have just that too much for the lesser premier league teams generally. And we will have spells that will raise expectations. But victories over the top 4 teams will be rare in the extreme (one of our best performances of recent years was a draw this year against a very unremarkable man city team). But resting more than one or two players against anyone at all is a no no, because it is at least 50-50 that you'll get your fingers burnt. That's who we are. But sadly, we are not Tottenham. The ambition of their club and the superior nature of their last 2 managers has seen them move a level above us, though not yet quite portrayed accurately in terms of points. But that will come, and soon. And arsenal needs it. Any vindication of The Cartel's methods must be avoided at all costs. And this starts with bayern. Even if we somehow beat them (we won't) this club doesn't have 2 big results in it. No way. So let's get it out of the way now and crank up the pressure on wenger-clough. No doubt there will be people calling me a traitor for hoping we lose matches, but just think of it along the lines of having your beloved dog put to sleep.

  178. Johnc

    Feb 17, 2013, 8:45 #31810

    I'm pleased we lost yesterday, as it is another nail in Wenger's coffin. I hope Bayern finish him off. Surely then the Board won't be mad enough to continue with him. I for one don't keep coming back for more. I'm pleased I don't pay rip-off prices to watch this rubbish. Unlike the Board, I saw this coming and gave up my season ticket in the summer (after 25 years), as I suddenly realised I could spend my money on better things, instead of paying an inflated price to watch rubbish.

  179. Red Member

    Feb 17, 2013, 8:45 #31809

    Wenger must go now as he has now lost the majority of supporters. It is sad to say because he has been such a great manager but there can be no way back for him. I have always maintained that he should not go until he failed to finish in the top 4. BUT his presence now is clearly becoming destructive to the club. However if he is not sacked after we lose to Minich and Spurs in the coming weeks then what does that say about the board at Arsenal?

  180. Joe o,Connor

    Feb 17, 2013, 8:38 #31808

    Having supported arsenal since 1968 and seen some pretty poor times and then some fantastic teams I believe it is now time for a change the arsenal supporters have been very tolerate over the last six seasons no other top team would let it go on for this long. Bring in Michael Laudrup.

  181. Danielgooner

    Feb 17, 2013, 8:37 #31807

    I totally agree Kevin. We are paying top dollar for a manger who is the fourth highest paid manager in the world, who sells our best players makes the club and owner a handsome profit and wins nothing. That's what this club has come to. Ripping the fans off for no reward. If your a top player would you come to Arsenal or Man Utd? No brainer. 8 years of toll at Arsenal or 1 season at Man U where you can win the league.

  182. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Feb 17, 2013, 8:30 #31806

    Let's assume that Arsene Wenger leaves at the end of the season and isn't granted the opportunity to appoint whichever manager is currently working for a top - half J -League team as his successor. Going by the conduct of the club's administration over the past five years, I couldn't see them approaching Mourinho or Moyes, but I could see them making an offer to Roberto Martinez or Paul Lambert, as long as either were willing to take a pay cut.

  183. Aussie Gooner DK

    Feb 17, 2013, 8:27 #31805

    It's time to walk Arsene....has been for 4 years

  184. mark from aylesbury

    Feb 17, 2013, 8:26 #31804

    Go on Arsene we trust write that article! I need a laugh

  185. Gooner1711

    Feb 17, 2013, 8:22 #31803

    Simple. Do not feed the machine. ST going back this year. Not being mugged again. Away games for me.