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The Gooner Does Not Say


Kevin’s editorial on Sunday created quite a stir and especially his idea of how fans can push for change. If I’m looking for a positive, then the ensuing debate which has taken place on this website, on Twitter and on other blogs and forums, was a worthwhile one as Arsenal fans discovered their voices and got things off their chest.

However, there has been a lot of negative reaction as well and that’s something, as the owner (or publisher if you prefer) of the fanzine, I felt I had to address.

In the 25 years since I produced the first issue The Gooner has never claimed to speak for all Arsenal fans and, as long as I remain involved, it never will. I’d go further and say that it’s simply impossible for any individual, magazine, organisation or blog to speak on behalf of all Arsenal fans as we have a diverse fanbase which are never going to agree on every aspect of how the club is run or managed or the ability of individual players who don the red and white shirt. Well, OK, maybe we can agree on a couple!

What The Gooner tries to do is to give fans a platform to have their say and I’d like to think we’ve succeeded on that score over the years. One of my favourite sayings is that every contributor is a fan and every fan is a potential contributor. What that does mean though is that no individual – including Kevin and myself - can ever give a view which they can claim is The Gooner’s because that would be to ignore the thoughts of all the people who contribute to the fanzine, without whom the fanzine would not exist. However, I don’t think that means we should not be able to have a view at all for fear of it being regarded as Gooner policy although I do accept that’s a hard message to convey because it isn’t necessarily how other publications work.

Kevin is a fan just like the rest of us and therefore has as much right to express an opinion as anyone else. Of course, the fact that he’s also the editor of the fanzine and website does perhaps give him a higher profile than others, but it would be a strange state of affairs if that required him to dim his obvious passion for the team he supports.

We were all frustrated after Saturday’s result and Kevin’s piece reflected a lot of that frustration – perhaps too much. It contained his view that we need a change of manager, which has been his position for a while now and it’s one we know a lot of people agree with. Nevertheless, there are also a significant number of fans who strongly disagreed with the way he suggested fans could bring about the change he thinks is necessary, and the comments about Arsenal fans turning on each other. My own view was that it over-stepped the mark, but I don’t believe he encouraged physical violence between the fans with different viewpoints as some have claimed.

As I run the GoonerFanzine Twitter account, I received plenty of “feedback” throughout the day and responded to some, although not as many as I’d have liked due to a lack of time and also because I was reluctant to fan the flames of discontent. I’ve also stayed off Twitter today for the same reason, but have to admit to being dismayed and a little bit ashamed to see the piece in the Evening Standard on Monday night which reports that “The Gooner have called on Wenger to go and want supporters to protest”. That may be Kevin’s personal view, but it is not one I support and I know some contributors who won’t either. I hope they will not be offended at being grouped together under a single umbrella.

I accept I may get some flak from those who think Kevin is right to say what he did and I’m being weak willed by wanting to distance myself and the fanzine from the remarks. That’s fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I’ve tried to explain my reasons above.

As I mentioned to someone on Twitter recently, I don’t like conflict and do take criticism to heart, especially when it’s about something which has taken up as much of my life as The Gooner has. I’ve described it as “my baby” before and it hurts to read and hear some of the comments made about it. I am not a professional publisher or writer and started The Gooner because I enjoyed writing about my club (and as a reaction to a Chelsea fans boast for those of you who know your Gooner history). Many of the people who have contributed to the fanzine over the years have done so for the same reason, so whilst I’d be surprised if you picked up our latest issue and agreed with every word which was written, I’d also be disappointed if you couldn’t feel the passion of the writers in their articles and empathise with some of the views expressed.

In the latest issue we have talked about falling sales and how the future of the fanzine is uncertain. Perhaps the ease with which people can create and maintain personal blogs these days means there is less need for a fanzine to exist. If that’s the case, then so be it, but I wouldn’t want our reputation to be sullied at the final hurdle due to people not recognising that a personal view is not necessarily the view of everyone associated with the fanzine. I hope this article goes some way to ensuring that won’t happen.


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  1. Gooner89

    Feb 22, 2013, 14:36 #32442

    PPP AKB or Spud who cares. Your view is in a VERY small minority and calling Supporters of Wenger out trolls and not supporters is insulting. As a Gooner since I was 8 years old and a season ticket holder for 33 years you dare to call me and other Wenger outs not Gooners. That is so ignorant it defies belief. Take your nasty views off this site. Now to my comment. I support Kevin 100%. Great article. WENGER out. Sooner the better

  2. Zaa Zaa

    Feb 22, 2013, 14:34 #32441

    Logical conclusion to all the negativity that has permeated the magazine over the last couple of years..I've stopped buying it on a regular basis.

  3. ppp

    Feb 22, 2013, 12:57 #32424

    tpm's reaction sums up the wenger-out trolls. No logic - pure hatred. These trolls are not Arsenal fans.

  4. tpm

    Feb 21, 2013, 12:28 #32342

    what a moron you are ppp, even the likes of mandy dodd dont resort to such wumming as you, i could begin to pick apart your joke post, but i dont want to waste my lunchtime and it would just make you feel good in succeeding to get an even bigger bite than this one, but if i could just pick out one thing that pretty much sums you up: "They also harrangue the ref when's he's biased which he always is" yep you nailed it. thtas the truth. baaa baaa

  5. Murphyr

    Feb 21, 2013, 1:23 #32298

    I think people have completely misinterpreted Kevin's suggestion that fans who wish to voice their discontent at games should not be intimidated by the prospect of a backhander from other supporters. It might have been a slightly hackneyed remark but Kevin clearly was not advocating fans scrapping over their differences of opinion. He made an impassioned call for those supporters who want to see a change in management to make their voices heard at matches. You can disagree with the tactic or even the aim but lets not misrepresent what he actually said. Likewise, i don't see the problem with Mike putting up an article presenting his own view on the situation. However, the content does come across as unnecessarily defensive in my opinion. I don't understand the "shame" of being referenced in an article by The Evening Standard - a paragon of journalistic virtue of course. If they have misrepresnted the article or The Gooner then the shame is on it and not The Gooner for publishing the original piece.

  6. ppp

    Feb 21, 2013, 1:19 #32297

    I love the way the wenger-out trolls are rebranding themselves as the put upon victims - dodging the flying fists as the ugly Arsenal supporters try to feed them to the lions... This truly is quite a sinister little twist from the agenda-benders whose not so glorious leader Kevin Whitcher is the only one calling for fans to slap their fellow fans with both lawsuits and fists. It seems he's got a touch of the scouser about him, never happy unless he's grieving or blaming someone else for his problems. Victory Through Harmony is our motto - you would do well to remember it and support the players through this difficult period. Squealing like children because we're losing is absolutely pathetic - what will you do if your squealing works and you get your new manager? Will you squeal again when he fails? I was raised to support the team no matter what. I could care less if we win the Champions league every year. I could care less if we finish dead last. I'm an Arsenal fan and I'll be there when Kevin and his fairweather friends have upped sticks to Chelsea or Spurs or whoever else they deem to be doing things "the right way" which is just troll-speak for spending and spending and spending... If Gooner sales are failing I strongly suggest the publisher get to a league cup game next year or invite submissions from the local schools. They are filled with delighted young Gooners who's only thought when they are lucky enough to get to the stadium is to shout and cheer for THE ARSENAL. And rightly they boo, jeer and berate the opposition. They also harrangue the ref when's he's biased which he always is. This is the future - not the snivelling wretches like Kevin who whine and moan because they haven't gorged their fat faces on a trophy for a few years. They carp on about wanting to lose so Wenger gets the sack - they suck on Van Persie's bits because he agreed with them and stabbed Wenger in the back... The Wenger-out trolls make me sick. And that's MY opinion.

  7. Michael Boon

    Feb 20, 2013, 19:53 #32286

    Grow some balls. The guy had every right to voice his opinion, one I happen to agree with. Don't allow the Wengerholics to take over here as they seem to have done at the club. They'll realise soon enough The Arsenal wasn't formed in 1996.

  8. GoonerGoal!

    Feb 20, 2013, 19:34 #32284

    The AKB's denial of the bleeding obvious continues, and now the poison pens of the running-dogs are pointed towards a messenger simply expressing the majority view, quelle surprise! It matters not, Kevin was right. VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  9. billthered

    Feb 20, 2013, 17:16 #32274

    There is only one way to unite all true gooners and it is as simple as abc,we must have a winning team and start challenging for titles.

  10. tp

    Feb 20, 2013, 14:32 #32254

    mike is an akb, as he doesnt want to ruin his cushy relationship with afc

  11. Alastair Kerr

    Feb 20, 2013, 11:21 #32211

    I entirely agree with Kevin's viewpoint and if we want change for the better things might have to get very. messy before that happens.

  12. Jamie Hunter

    Feb 20, 2013, 11:16 #32210

    @ Simon Agree totally. When I saw some of the hands on hips, fingerwagging responses on Twitter and the like I had to re read the article to make sure Kev hadn't called for the stadium to be burnt down. Yeah come on everyone, lets not upset Arsene, he's not paid enough to be put under pressure

  13. Simon

    Feb 20, 2013, 10:09 #32205

    Really appalled that you're apologising for an editorial in which somebody is expressing their opinions. Kevin simply suggested protest at the way things are being run - you'd think he was orchestrating a full-on murder plot by the way this needless 'apology' article is written. Outrageous, and if I were Kevin, I'd resign today. No way I'm buying The Gooner fanzine again, and I don't say that casually; I've been buying it without fail for the last 12 years. Pathetic.

  14. Peter Wain

    Feb 20, 2013, 9:51 #32204

    Lets face it last might was no surprise. Totally outplayed by a team operating at another level. All of our players looked second rate compared to Bayern's. This reasult is the culmination of several seasons of bad buying and poor player developement. Our goal keeper confidence is toally gone and he needs to be taken out of the firing line. We have no left back the two centre halves are below average but at least Sagna form appears to be returning - in time for the transfer window. In midfield Ramsey Cazorla and Arteta are distinctly second rate. Cazorla flatters to deceive and they are all just not good enough for Arsenal. Wiltshire alone tried to influenze the game and I cannot see he staying much after next season if he wants to progress his game. Up fromt Walcott failed to impress although the service was poor and Giroud proved that a third rate striker is a third rate striker and out of his depth in top class football. Podborski showed exactly why Bayern binned him. So where do we go from here. Probably downwards and with little hope in reaching the magical 4 spot. Indeed if we do acheive 4 place it will only cover up cracks which get bigger each season. No doubt we will be told we cannot do this or cannot compete with that. But look at the recent results dumped out of the youth cup 4-2 at home to big spending Everton. Under 21 thrashed 4-1 by Man City. The whole club needs reorganising. From scouts who think fatty Santos is a footballer and Gervinho a star to medical people who cannot keep our player fit. All are second rate. Now we are told we have £70 million to spend. Wait until the transfer window opens and if we do not get 4 place the excuse for not competing for top players is no champions league. The fact we did not buy one top quality player when in the champions league will be glossed over. No the bucks stops with the lazy indolent yank who wanted to add a football club to his second rate sports stable a board wallowing in Kroenke dollars and a manager who has lost the plot in the transfer market and concentrates on second and third rate no hopers which bring predictable failure. We need a revolution and a complete cleansing of the club form top to bottom. Where is Hercules when you need him.

  15. HowardL

    Feb 20, 2013, 9:34 #32203

    Well done to Kev for saying what so many of us feel about the need to change, even if some of it was expressed in a way that was a little over the top. In view of the media reaction it did subsequently need toning down, so congratulations to Mike for doing that. We all want the best for AFC and to find a solution. However, it must be honourable. That is Arsenal and that is why I support them.

  16. jamie hunter

    Feb 20, 2013, 8:02 #32202

    I'm with Kevin 100%. To me, the choice is clear as a fan; accept the Chinese water torture that our club has become, or make your feelings known in the strongest way possible. I just don't understand this idea that wenger, just because of what he achieved a decade ago, is this God that must be exempt from criticism and allowed to indulge himself until such time as he fancies packing it in. Don't worry about arsene, because trust me, he doesn't give two ****s about you. WENGER OUT.

  17. ARSENAL FOOTBALL CLUB

    Feb 20, 2013, 0:04 #32199

    Give Wenger a 3 year exstended contract.

  18. exiled&dangerous

    Feb 19, 2013, 23:46 #32198

    Bayern Munich tonight reminded me of us in the Cup Winners' Cup campaigns of the '90s. Well-organised, dangerous, and willing to get stuck in. Arsenal reminded me of us, at any point in the last five years. As for Podolski's goal, anyone else reckon he called "mine" in German? They all seemed to leave it for him......

  19. Monkey Stroker

    Feb 19, 2013, 22:36 #32197

    Have found it hard to express feelings recently, so will sum up in the form of a ditty (to the tune of "Magic Hat")...ohhhh Arsene Wenger's mental, he's living in the past, and while he stays in charge of us, I really can't be arsed

  20. Joe S.

    Feb 19, 2013, 22:29 #32196

    What a weak kneeed response this is. Whose arse are you tyying to cover by distancing yourself from Kevin's opinions? If the Gooner is a forum for all varieties of opinion then let the readers make up their own judgements and not try to get yourself in the good books with the powersw that be.

  21. James

    Feb 19, 2013, 21:53 #32195

    After tonights humiliation The Gooner should be the voice of the fans and called for Wenger to resign now.How much more bull can we take from Inspector Clueless.Kevin Whitcher is the voice of the real fans of Arsenal not the JCL Wengerites

  22. Alsace Lorraine De Totteridge

    Feb 19, 2013, 21:51 #32194

    A team that can defend is a match for anyone. A team that cannot defend is a match for no one. This useless, hopeless hapless and helpless manager has gone way beyond doing what may be permanent damage to the Club. He has created a situation where a sizeable number of poor deluded souls still have faith in him and are actually prepared to come to blows for his salvation. Nothing and no one can save him because his own incompetence will deliver his downfall. If Kevin Witcher got on board and said it how it is then well done him. It would help if those who own the Gooner would show the same degree of spine and call for the Manager's head. After the last press conference, even the supine ignorant football press have heard the penny drop. Does the Gooner really want to be behind the even more deferential television journalists in their call for the Manager to be thrown out with the rubbish on Wednesday morning. Back your Editor please, because the AKB's are numerous, but they are demonstrably in the wrong. When I say demonstrably I will point to the Manager's surrender in the FA Cup on Saturday so that we could be slaughtered on Wednesday. Only he and the AKB's could not see that that was going to happen, AGAIN. Our players fought hard tonight. They deserve the chance for their effort to mean something. Wenger out.

  23. graham yates

    Feb 19, 2013, 20:29 #32192

    It's sad that Mike had to write this piece to explain to those who clearly aint the brightest that Kevin's opinions are his own. Maybe the Gooner should go too if it feels its editorials (and what Kev wrote was right) is having to be explained. Kev is being hung by his own! I would also like to apologise on behalf of Benny's comment, At best negligent, at worst moronic.

  24. John

    Feb 19, 2013, 18:59 #32190

    I am really disappointed with this article.You should be backing Kevin's article 100% not distancing yourself from him.I cant believe the Gooners stance on recent events.Take a look at the lastest Gooner referendum.80% want a new manager next season.Why isnt the Gooner reflecting this?By not backing Kevin you are doing the job of Gazidis.Since the Gooner stared there has never been such hostility towards the club yet you would never guess this from the neutral Gooner.Get off that fence Mike Francis

  25. Win AFC

    Feb 19, 2013, 18:16 #32188

    25 YEARS OF A FANTASTIC READ. THE GOONER FOREVER.

  26. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Feb 19, 2013, 16:59 #32187

    I've been reading the Gooner since it started in the late 80s and I've been a contributor for about 10 years now. Kevin's editorial was an appropriate reaction - not just to the Blackburn defeat but to the whole decline under Wenger / Kroenke / Gazidis. We are being ripped off by the greedy buggers running our great Club and enough is enough - we need to protest and let them know we won't accept sausages at caviar prices any longer!! Well done Kevin

  27. Alex

    Feb 19, 2013, 16:40 #32184

    I'm with Kevin on this one. No matter how his detractors tries to spin what he said. The bottom line is, we all love Arsenal the football club and we just want to see Arsenal do well. Kind of sad to see the fan base being so divided.

  28. LJB

    Feb 19, 2013, 16:40 #32183

    Unfortunately Tom,most of what gets written in the papers eventually turns out to be true.Go into the archives of most Arsenal blogs and look at the comments written 12 months ago.Most people accused the media of causing trouble RE RVP and swore BLIND he wanted to,and indeed would,stay at Arsenal.Turns out he never had any intentions of staying.Most journalists don't just "make stuff up";they usually have very good sources and write things in good faith.I'm not saying everything written is 100% correct,but just look at what has turned out to be true over the years.

  29. Ron

    Feb 19, 2013, 15:46 #32179

    Guy in Jersey - No i'd like something to be gleaned from press conferences that contribute to something helpful to fans relating to a particular game. It rarely happens. Id like to see the odd press hack ask an intelligent question (i wont hold my breath and never have). Id like to see hacks not be insulting. Id like to see hacks be up front and ask questions that are clear on the subject matter and not have a **** agenda. Please dont suggest that press ask questions that 'the fans want answering'. They dont. They ask questions that will create the bigggest stir, usually as far away from anything of genuine FOOTBALL interest as ever it can be. I can understand you wanting to defend your 'profession', but to be frank, youre flogging a dead horse. Ask yourself why so many football coaches have fallen out with the approach the press/media have taken over many years. Theyre not all wrong, all of the time and neither was Fergusons approach totally wrong either for so many years. Wenger could learn a lot from him. If Wenger has his agenda, thats fine. We can form our views from what we see on the pitch. Hacks are supposed to add something new, but sadly they fail repeatedly due to their largely obnoxious approach which results in many of them being afforded no respect by the recipient of their largely inane questions. In most cases rightly so.

  30. Old Gooner

    Feb 19, 2013, 15:02 #32177

    How have we come to the situation where there is so much division between fans? I am totally sick of all this as the club is destroying itself, but the big question is who is to blame? Depending on your point of view I think most think we either need a change of manager or a change of board. The board won't sack the manager and it seems the manager will not resign. Therefore if change is needed the fans will have to take some sort of action to hasten one or the other. But whatever action may be taken it has to be carefully thought out so that it cannot be mis-interpreted. Remember the Eboue substitution the other year when he was himself substituted after coming on for someone else? Who were the boos aimed towards , Wenger or Eboue?? Any protests must leave no doubt as to what the protesters want to achieve!

  31. Steve H

    Feb 19, 2013, 14:32 #32176

    I fully support Kevin's editorial and feel that your subsequent comments distancing the fanzine from them, can only undermine his role as editor. It shouldn't be forgotten that evey annual gooner survey has Kevin's 'Talkng Reds' column at the top of the list of favorites. He speaks from the heart with passion for the club, and if that means having to criticise the manager and suggest ways to get that message across, then he has the right. My own view of making our feelings known, is for a boycott of a chosen home game as I feel 10,000 or 20,000 empty seats will hit the mark with the owner, board, manager and sponsors.

  32. Guy in Jersey

    Feb 19, 2013, 14:20 #32175

    To Ron - post 34848. So, you want a dull, neutered, compliant media who daren't challenge or contradict and repeat any bulsh*t that's fed to them? Aren't they already working for official website? Wenger has been given an incredibly easy ride by the media over the last years, and I include the so-called pundits and experts who are supposed to know about football. JER (post 34846) complains that Stewart Robson's personal agenda is behind his vindictive comments. JER is probably right, but Wenger also has an agenda. Wenger's agenda is to brook no criticism, never allow anyone else to take credit (GG's legacy and Keown in 2006 come to mind), to always believe he's right and to belittle anyone with an opposing view. Unfortunately for Arsene, he's being shown up more and more often and people are rightly starting to question what they get for the tens of millions lavished on his development project. Guy (ex-journalist)

  33. Steak and Kennedy pie

    Feb 19, 2013, 14:18 #32174

    Surely the editor of any media publication sets its agenda to some extent? If the editor advocates fans singing stuff anti-the manager then it's beyond being simply one man's opinion. It's a rallying cry. Personally, if you want to start protests in the ground when the team are playing then you are beneath contempt and can expect a slap. It helps nobody except the opposition and the circling vultures in the grubby press. Back the team WHENEVER they play. Save protests for before the game/after the final whistle/outside/or just vote with your feet and don't turn up. The editor mugged himself off suggesting singing on x number of minutes. Bore off.

  34. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 19, 2013, 14:16 #32173

    Your right Mike everyone's entitled to their opinions and their all aired on here,and i haven't seen as much traffic on the Online Gooner for a while which i have to say is good to see, although it's hard to keep up with all the articles coming in at the minute.And i agree 100% just because someone is the Editor, Owner, Publisher, doesn't mean their not entitled to their opinion as well, because they are, just like Kev.I also have to say well done to Kev and indeed the Online Gooner for allowing him to do so, for having the balls to come of the fence if you like and speak out and give his opinion in the first place and say what a hell of a lot of other fans are thinking, unlike other so called Editors and Owners of other blogs who wouldn't have the balls to do it, who would rather just sit on the fence and smile and say nice things and make excuses, and when criticism is needed and can't be avoided it is in the mildest form in case it annoys someone.

  35. Don N Key

    Feb 19, 2013, 13:58 #32172

    Patrick Barclay wrote about the standing O Wenger got at the AGM in October? I was there and did not see it? Did anyone else? Journos are paid to watch football and rarely feel what a one club fan feels.

  36. Gibbo

    Feb 19, 2013, 13:56 #32171

    After reading Kevin's article, I personally didn't think it was inciting violence. However, my Dad read it and felt that it was. Therefore, I believe Mike was correct to publish this article, if only to clear up the ambiguities. The fact that Kevin’s article was his own personal view is neither here nor there, as surely that’s the whole point of the fanzine. Unfortunately, whether you agree with Kevin’s view of not, the editor’s view will be perceived to be that of The Gooner by parts of the media.

  37. ApolloGooner

    Feb 19, 2013, 13:43 #32169

    Kevin was absolutely right! I have a lot of time for his views! Of course it should never have come to this but its not Kevin's fault that this ludricous situation at the club has gone unaddressed for so long. Its the fault of Wenger, the board and all the blind and brainwashed fans who still back him when its been obvious for years that his time is up.

  38. ATID

    Feb 19, 2013, 13:33 #32167

    I didn't agree with Kevin's piece but I would absolutely defend his right to express it as a Gooner editorial. At least he is honest enough to say it is time for action unlike those who believe that our manager should have the job for life. The same people who are incapable of realsing that the world has moved on since May 2004. If you want bland journalism there is always the official program. If you want spin there is always the Club CEO. If you want silence there is always the owner. The real villain of the piece is Wenger. He buys the players, he selects the team and he determines the method of play. He is responsible for the results. 2006 nothing. 2007 nothing. 2008 nothing. 2009 nothing. 2010 nothing. 2011 nothing. 2012 nothing. 2013 going nowhere. If you want to criticise someone how about the man who made it clear that any fan who hadn't worked half a day in football didn't have an opinion worth listening too?

  39. Tony Evans

    Feb 19, 2013, 13:12 #32166

    6OONER PETE Totally agree - it's us older fans that don't recognise our own club anymore. It's nothing to do with not winning trophies (although, as you say, that is what you want to see your team striving for); it's about not being able to relate to the manager or the type of players he seems to be drawn to. I want to be proud of my team again, but with Wenger at the helm we will continue to be a laughing stock.

  40. GoonerRon

    Feb 19, 2013, 13:11 #32165

    @ Chris Dee / JER / Ron - I am totally with you on your comments. No matter what his faults, I guarantee Wenger wants what is best for Arsenal over any journo or disaffected ex-players. The crap Wenger puts up with in the media should be galvanizing us Gooners together.

  41. Nilesh Bhagat

    Feb 19, 2013, 12:37 #32159

    Maybe there should be more pieces by Mike Francis on the website to stop the Online Gooner's slide into becoming the Arsenal equivalent of The Daily Mail? It is totally ludicrous to say that fans can't get their frustrations across without resorting to chanting against the manager. Those frustratins are played out daily in blogs and social media and then amplified (and distorted) in all national media outlets. You think Wenger et al are unaware of all this? If/when the lynch mob get their bloodlust satisfied and succeed in hounding out the best manager that we have ever had I wonder whether they will look back on their actions and comments with any satisfaction or perhaps with some regret?

  42. Ron

    Feb 19, 2013, 12:35 #32158

    Chris Dee - Bang on. Arsenes main problem is that he s too generous to the media sharks. Always accomodates and opens up to them. Hes a fool. He should give them the basic,vague and hollow comments and nothing more. They ll make of them what they will as they do anyway when he tries to engage in sensible dialogue with them. Most of them are overweight, drink dependent, idle hacks who s only aim is a story and to hell with the facts behind them. He should also set strict agendas for his press meetings and if they stray from it, just ignore or ask 'next question on item 2 etc etc'. If there are those who flout his agendas, yes, ban them for the Season and make them apply for re admission. The Club should set up a Club panel of accepted journos with annual procedures to apply to remain on the said panel. Theyre no great loss and add little of any real use to anyone. It makes me wonder who breifs him there as his prep and back up are clearly non existent or utterly incompetent.Hes been left to hang for donkeys years. Its as if Arsenal havent moved into the modern world that needs to recognize scurrilous journo s and some of the low life comics they work for. Arsenal should think of them all as equivalent to Estate Agents, that might concentrate their minds as to how to deal with them.

  43. 600NER PETE

    Feb 19, 2013, 12:32 #32157

    Arsene Wenger got praise for his management ability in his successful years and rightly so. However he should be open to criticism when things are not going so well. Some of his decisions since 2008 have become more and more bizarre. I think fans have been more than patient with him and we are entitled to show our displeasure (probably well before now). I have chosen to cancel my season ticket since 20009 and to boycott matches until things change. However, I think fans who still attend matches have every right to protest after so many years of the same mis-management and mistakes. After all these years it is NOT a knee jerk reaction. Incidentally, it's not the fact that we haven't won a trophy for 8 years that upsets me (though winning trophies is obviously what we should be striving for) it's the fact that we don't have a club or a team that I can relate to or be particularly proud of.

  44. JER

    Feb 19, 2013, 12:21 #32156

    As an aside I heard a despicable personal attack on Wenger this morning by Stewart Robson on 5 Live. Robson reached a new high in vindictiveness, he clearly has severe problems with Wenger. I'm no AKB but this personal abuse has gone too far.

  45. Bard

    Feb 19, 2013, 11:54 #32154

    What a fuss about nothing. Its ok for Chelsea to slag off Benetiz, Leeds fans to call for Warnock's head but oh not god forbid Arsenal fans protest about Wenger. We need to keep quiet and watch the club go down the pan.I'm no Hansen fan but his article in the Telegraph suggested Arsenal are going the same way Liverpool have gone. The worrying part of your article is the suggestion that a huge number of Arsenal fans might be happy with Wenger. That is something to protest about.

  46. Patrick

    Feb 19, 2013, 11:48 #32153

    Kevin expressed views that many Gooners hold. The comments from readers prove him right. Its sad that he is being hung out to dry on this one. Its time AKB woke up and realised the gravity of the clubs situation. Wenger has presided over the decline of the club, despite his many achievements over the years. he has failed to refresh his ideas and this is not just a question of resources. We are now a mid table team competing with teams that have much fewer resources. Its time for Wenger and Silent Stan to go. The opium of a top four finish cannot dull the senses anymore.

  47. WashBelly

    Feb 19, 2013, 11:48 #32152

    it's a shame the tone of this article appears to have fallen on deaf ears..

  48. Adrian Wagenaar

    Feb 19, 2013, 11:32 #32151

    Kev's piece spoke for many of us and if an editor cannot write what he really feels then he may as well stop doing the job! The article made it clear that it was his opinion and people are entitled to disagree - what is the problem!

  49. under acheiver

    Feb 19, 2013, 10:57 #32150

    Kevin has showed he has cojones, unlike some other blogs which have reminded me more of Neville Chamberlin

  50. Cambridge Gooner

    Feb 19, 2013, 10:49 #32149

    Well put, I think it's right that the Gooner should remain a platform for the opinions of others. I agree with a lot of what Kevin said and I think he put it in a surprisingly balanced way given the fury we were all feeling on Saturday. Perhaps he should have given it a day before writing the piece, but I feel that the sentiment was echoed by many. Keep up the good work Kevin and Mike.

  51. Red Member

    Feb 19, 2013, 10:43 #32148

    if anything Kevin's piece didn't go far enough. the entire board and manager need to be got rid of by the end of the season - otherwise this club could well spend years in the wilderness

  52. Pat O'Cake

    Feb 19, 2013, 10:35 #32147

    Let's have a reality check here. As passionate as we all are about Arsenal (ST holder for 27 years here) this is only football. Not life and death, disease or famine. Yes we all get very emotional (especially nowadays) but do me a favour. I reckon Kevin was spot on but I don't want to fight anyone over it and I couldn't care less that millions might disagree with me. Its football. Its about opinions. It is painful to support Arsenal right now but that is sport. Dear oh dear...

  53. bunch

    Feb 19, 2013, 10:32 #32146

    Tough times, but you need to get yourself an editorial position Mike, otherwise you'll find yourself on the wrong end of this Arsenal civil war. It's only going one way, Wenger ain't turning it around. So decide.

  54. Goonersaurus

    Feb 19, 2013, 10:29 #32145

    I can understand where Mike is coming from. I help to run my local community club and know the pitfalls of posting on social media. The press are always looking for a scoop so will make a story out of anything. Kev is entitled to his view but it was wrong of the press to say the whole of The Gooner wants Wenger out & are inciting protests, it's a fanzine & gives the whole spectrum of fan's views. Maybe each piece should carry a warning to journalists not to tar everyone with the same brush! It'll blow over eventually.

  55. Bob

    Feb 19, 2013, 10:27 #32144

    Kevin was right to speak out, and deserves huge respect. His views are incisive, decisive, and like a breath of fresh air to supporters of a club who have suffered spin and deceit for years. If Mike's article implies that there will be any attempt to water down the editor's viewpoint, then I hope and trust that Kevin will resist it. The Gooner, if it has a future, needs to be prepared to provide leadership and campaign for change where it is needed (which it most definitely is). The day that Gooner starts pulling punches and falling meekly into line with the establishment is the day that I, and I believe countless others, will stop subscribing.

  56. Tim

    Feb 19, 2013, 10:21 #32143

    I dont know why you are apologising. As you say, the magazine is for all fans, not the mouthpiece of the founder or the editor. Kevin's views are generally well reasoned and a lot of people agree with them. Maybe chanting against the manager is a bit controversial, but resurrecting the Stevie Bould song would be a more subtle way to get across the same message. I think the performances could be turned around in a month if W stood aside and SB took over for the rest of the season. W has done great things in the past, but it is obvious that he is obsessed ever since 2006 with what he perceives as the Barcelona style (though Arsenal dont remotely put the effort in that Barcelona do), doesnt have any other tactics or believe in defence, and will never change his views. I said 4 years ago that we would never win another trophy under W. Everyone in the ground has seen the gradual decline over those 4 years. The rot has truly set in and someone needs to have the courage to make a big change.

  57. N4

    Feb 19, 2013, 10:21 #32142

    Basically you are saying that you distanced yourself from what Kevin said and that you have nothing to do with it!! Although, Kevin have expressed some frustration and which we all are here for but that doesn't mean that we will go out of our way to physically do what we thought or write about! It was pure frustration on the day and the next day we all calmed down...well just a bit! I don't think Kevin incited any negatives but it was just expressed as maybe a solution to do something about it...unless of course you can go to the club and represent all our direct questions?!!

  58. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    Feb 19, 2013, 10:20 #32141

    I would suggest that you back your Editor as he was right that the only way to effect change is too protest. In fact I know many feel that something as influential as The Gooner should be doing more. You will become pointless unless you stand for something. You say your there to represent the fans views so please start doing that and leading. On the violence bit I would have thought Kevin actually caused a few AKBs to think about how they are behaving. Any body daring to critise OGL in the ground gets fronted. This has to be wrong.

  59. Gaz

    Feb 19, 2013, 10:07 #32138

    Agreed with Kev's original piece even though I'm saddened its come to this. Also agree with Tony Evans who suggests the hopelessness of it all means desperate measures are required. And if we can't protest in the ground just how are we supposed to get our point across? Letter? E-mail? All pointless as the Club will simply ignore them all. My only concern here is that any protest should be against Wenger AND the board as I find them all culpable for the mess we find ourselves in. Although to be fair whilst Wenger has at least some credit with us fans kroenke and gazidis have none so in all fainess they should be copping the majority of abuse.

  60. James

    Feb 19, 2013, 10:05 #32137

    You only had to read the comments that followed the Blackburn game to know Kevin was right.I think its bad form that he is now being hung out to dry as though this is just his personal opinion.You only have to read the forum to judge the mood of the anti-Wenger feeling.The Gooner should be taking the lead in the call for Wenger's head and not sitting on the fence.Its time for the Gooner to take a stand because the AST and BSM have failed to do so

  61. Sparksy

    Feb 19, 2013, 9:40 #32133

    Patrick Barclay is Wengers brother. The frenchman can do no wrong in his eyes. What was written yesterday was spot on. Enough is enough. WENGER OUT

  62. John Abrehart

    Feb 19, 2013, 9:39 #32132

    The last thing that we want to do is to turn on the Editor. By and large he does a fantastic job in my opinion. He has to get his thoughts on paper pretty damn quick following every game and the memory of the Blackburn debacle may have burned a little more deeply than others on this occasion. I woke up the other morning thinking that we should chant 'Yanks out, Yanks out;Yanks out, Yanks out' to the tune of the Pompey chimes but in a more reflective moment, is it the fault of the American owners? I believe in business that executives should execute, directors should direct and managers should manage. Is it that Arsene HAS got a free hand and that he acts as a CEO and Gazaadis is just a figurehead? Does Arsene have this pot of money but he honestly thinks that the team does not need strengthening? There has been so much written in The Gooner mag and on this site on this subject but we really don't know for certain. Could a mole at Highbury Towers break ranks and spill the beans please!! Then at least we would know where to address our frustration and save a lot of falling out among genuine fans.

  63. Laurie

    Feb 19, 2013, 9:39 #32131

    Been reading gooner for over 20 years. Eveyone entitled to have their say. Keep up good work

  64. Tony Evans

    Feb 19, 2013, 9:12 #32129

    Mike - may be Kevin did overstep the mark but I share his sense of hopelessness and desperate times call for desperate measures. I favour a mass boycott but realistically that is not going to happen, so chanting for the manager's head is the only way fans can vent their frustrations. We have given Wenger every chance and still we see the same old mistakes and lacklustre performances - why should we continue to indulge him?

  65. chris dee

    Feb 19, 2013, 9:09 #32128

    Nothing wrong at all with Ed Kev's piece. Nothing wrong with Arsenal fans disgreeing with each other. Nothing wrong with fans critising the board ,the manager or players. Nothing wrong because families argue but they are still family. What I detest is the sort of s**t aimed by outsiders who love to critise Arsenal,at Arsene yesterday in that press conference.It drew an angry response from Arsene who has always treated the press with respect. Because of his approachability the scumbags in the press pushed and pushed until they got what they wanted,a story. They ask Arsene questions that they would not dare ask Ferguson or Mourinho because those two obnoxious bas****s would ban them from future press conferences.So much for our 'fearless' press. I am constantly critisising Arsene ,but when I see events like yesterday,or hear those toerag Arsenal haters Adrian Durham and Darren Gough ridiculing our club for no reason then I can't help but support and defend our manager.

  66. Billy's Boots

    Feb 19, 2013, 9:08 #32127

    It is refreshing to see somebody stand up against what has become Arsenal Plc. Arsene reports to nobody and his petulance yesterday is far more of an embarrassment to the club than Kev's article. I don't think we're quite at the situation where the crowd has to harangue the manager but that day is looming rapidly if the club continues to ignore the mood of its supporters. The problem is that nobody would notice the difference if there was a silent protest! It is difficult to know what fans should do for the best, to show their unhappiness. Whatever is done, such as a petition outside of the ground, will cause unrest as has the banner being unfurled at certain away games. None of this would happen if we were winning matches!

  67. Tim

    Feb 19, 2013, 9:07 #32126

    I agree with Kevin.

  68. Richard Dickerson

    Feb 19, 2013, 8:52 #32123

    This is the time to keep tempers in check and don't let the mischievous media wind you up. Booing the team only helps the enemies of AFC. The final George Graham season was dire as George lost his nerve in playing positive attacking football. We became Blackburn, Stoke & Sunderland. Not to be repeated!

  69. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Feb 19, 2013, 8:47 #32122

    Great piece. Kevin normally hits the nail on the head with his comments. I fully agree with him on the need for change from the owner down to the training methods or lack of them, manager included. Wenger deserves respect for all the good he has done and the personal digs at him are out of order. That said its clear he has lost the magic he once had and needs to be replaced with someone who will at least install the traditional arsenal traits of will to win, never say day and that sheer class that makes our great club unique and why we were all so proud to call ourselves gooners in the first place. Feels to me like a lot of long standing arsenal fans that the club we once knew has been stripped away of its values and lost to us. Sad beyond words. All I want is my arsenal back and change is the only way forward. Keep up the good work Kevin. Your opinions are shared by myself and all my arsenal mates who like me remember the dross of some of the sides of the 70's and 80's. the difference then was it still felt like our club and not some communist secretive organisation existing solely to fleece our pockets

  70. Reg

    Feb 19, 2013, 8:44 #32121

    Think Kevin was right. The tipping point might be just be coming if Wenger doesn't do the honourable thing or the board even think about extending his contract. It's a lovely thought that we can all behave honourably and non confrontational. Occassionally though we have to get our hands dirty and make difficult choices in life that split people we are close to. It's only football but The Gooner might have to make that choice soon too.

  71. Noz.

    Feb 19, 2013, 8:44 #32120

    I stopped buying the programme many years ago but have always, and always will, buy the The Gooner. It is still relevant and I still get a buzz from reading it. Personally I agree with the editorial and I think it is ludicrous to say the Kevin is promoting violence. I have been threatened with some though :-) I love football because of its passion, I love The Gooner because it shows passion. I am passionate about OUR team. The Gooner helps us show that passion whether that be for or against certain managers and players. Stick around it will be a worse Arsenal world without you.

  72. Jed

    Feb 19, 2013, 8:43 #32118

    In my view Kevin was right and I support his aims and methods. There was no incitement to violence, the plain fact is that the current mismanagement of the club, and the anger and frustration that is causing, has led to scraps between gooners. The way to stop that is for the leadership of the club (if there is any) to take the necessary action. The club is rudderless at the moment, a disengaged owner, a powerless board and a chief executive who lacks the balls to take Wenger to task. The Gooner and other fanzines/blogs can fill that void but not by sitting on the fence. The message from the Gooner now is: this level of underperformance is fine. Tony Attwood drew attention on Sunday (indirectly) to the fact that the sort of cup results we have seen this season contributed to the sackings of Terry Neill, Don Howe, George Graham and Bruce Rioch. I fear the current spineless board will fail to take the necessary action to save our club from further decline and your retraction, Mike, will comfort them in their inaction. A great shame.

  73. Fishpie

    Feb 19, 2013, 8:36 #32116

    Mike, thanks for clarifying that Kevin's ideas are not Gooner policy. In support of Kevin however, his call for some overt fan reaction simply reflects the deep frustration and desperation that he and many many others feel about how the club is run on and off the pitch. Personally I think it takes an act of some courage to stand up and be counted. Kevin's voice is needed and fans who aren't prepared to support his proposed action, should at least respect his motives; to create some fan pressure to make Arsenal a better club/team than it has become and not settle for a ninth year of decline.

  74. Gooner 48

    Feb 19, 2013, 8:29 #32114

    Kev has every right to a point of view even when he's totally wrong. Keyboard warriors are also entitled to spout crap. It is just such a great shame that all the passion pin-balling around the internet can't be harnessed to support the team. I was there when we lost to Swindon - no one booed the team, following season we won a European trophy, year after that the Double. Victory really does come out of harmony.

  75. mark from aylesbury

    Feb 19, 2013, 8:24 #32113

    Just remember the old adage about all publicity is good publicity. It may be just the tonic for your sales. Would also add many people want him gone! I mean Wenger by the way

  76. Benny

    Feb 19, 2013, 8:15 #32111

    Pleased to see this piece. The editorial and aspects such as the Wenger Out chanting and call for terrace upheaval was well over the mark. That type of tantrum wally behaviour will achieve nothing more than further destabilise the club and make other clubs laugh (spuds, chavs) or shake their heads (everyone else bar Man Utd) in disbelief at what a bunch of short memory tossers Araenal fans are. The editorial was negligent at best, disgraceful at worst.

  77. Tom W (Spain)

    Feb 19, 2013, 8:10 #32108

    Arsenal fans should take action against those newspapers who write lues about the club with the intention of destabilising it. As far as I can see 80% of what is written about Arsenal is rubbish, most fanciful exagferation but a large amount malicious lies designed to damage the club. It is time to out those papers and blogs because they cause unrest and hurt. Do you agree?

  78. Canterbury Gooner

    Feb 19, 2013, 7:42 #32105

    Kevin didn't even imply violence was right or necessary. ALL he said was that if the AKBs tried to assault anyone who questions the manager (which has already happened...) then all the crowds are filmed on CCTV. The reason he's been misrepresented is probably because most of Wenger's blind followers aren't in possession of any strong, reasonable arguments anymore. It's all faith. So either they deliberately attack a straw man or just couldn't grasp what he said anyway.

  79. Big sean

    Feb 19, 2013, 6:50 #32099

    Really enjoy the gooner especially kevins editorials online and talking reds. Don't always get to the emirates but I can usually get a mate to pick one up for me. Keep up the good work. If I didn't want to hear opinions, I'd sky+ Jamie redknapp.

  80. Christof

    Feb 19, 2013, 6:43 #32098

    Don't hang Kevin out to dry. He was dead right.