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Wrong place, wrong time

Bendtner: Might he prove to be another Lee Chapman?


I received my e-edition of The Gooner this morning, and when reading the interview with Chris Whyte, it reminded me that both he and Lee Chapman were key members of Leeds United’s 1992 title winning side, several seasons after having been released by Arsenal. The Gunners had, in between, won two titles, with Steve Bould and Alan Smith effectively filling the roles that Whyte and Chapman might have played had they worked out.

For various reasons, sometimes players just do no fit at certain clubs. I felt that Chapman was one such, and an example of this from elsewhere is Diego Forlan, who ultimately proved a great player, but never really looked the part at Manchester United. There are a large number of pros that have been on Spurs’ books, not looked like anything special, then gone on to become hot properties once released. An obvious one that comes to mind is Kevin Prince Boateng, who by and large looked a waste of space at the Lane, but is now an integral part of Milan’s line-up, including their title winning side of 2011.

It got me thinking of whether there were any other players, in more recent times, that have proved unsuccessful at Arsenal but have moved on to achieve success elsewhere in the way that Whyte and Chapman did, perhaps proving the club wrong. Although players like Fabregas and Van Persie will achieve things at their current clubs they were unable to with Arsenal, neither can be considered failures at the club. If anything the Gunners failed them by the inability to surround them with enough quality to give them the titles their talents justified.

Who are the equivalents of Whyte and Chapman in recent years, in the sense of being given a decent opportunity, but ultimately discarded as not of requisite quality? The names that come to mind are Denilson, Bendtner and Eboue. At times you could see signs that these could develop into top players, but in the end, they simply weren’t quite good enough – or specifically consistent enough - for Arsenal, although they were given plenty of time to prove otherwise. Will they go on to be a part of title winning sides elsewhere? Well, in the case of Eboue, he already has, winning the championship in his first season at Galatasaray. Some might think this was a given, although the reality is that the Turkish title is a three horse race these days, so merely joining one of the three teams is no guarantee of a title.

However, the real issue for Arsenal is whether they have improved on the players that have not worked out. In a sense, Eboue was replaced by Bacary Sagna as early as 2007, and was a squad man in his final four seasons. Denilson’s replacement is probably Jack Wilshere, in the sense that the majority of Wilshere’s games have been played in a deeper role rather than that created for Fabregas when the team changed its formation in 2009. An obvious improvement and one that could lead to success if enough quality is brought or developed to surround him.

As for Bendtner, he was presumably loaned out in the belief that one of Chamakh or Park would prove a reliable back up for Robin van Persie. It is interesting that, with that pair discarded and Van Persie sold, the Dane was not even considered worth another go to provide competition for Olivier Giroud, in spite of the club covering a significant portion of his wages during his time spent in Italy. There are those that still believe the striker will come good one day, with a theory that his natural stage might be the Bundesliga, where physical strikers are often a key component of successful teams. First, he has to resolve his injury issues, and then, perhaps, his sense of professionalism. Then, perhaps, he might have the last laugh after being regarded as surplus to requirements at Arsenal, as did Whyte and Chapman 21 years ago.

(Ed’s note – For those who prefer the old-fashioned print version of The Gooner, it will be on sale outside the stadium at tomorrow’s game v Reading. Chris Whyte will be signing copies of the issue before the Norwich game, which we will give more details of in the week leading up to the game. Postal subscribers who would normally have received their copies this morning should get them in tomorrow’s post, delayed slightly due to today being a bank holiday.)


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  1. billthered

    Apr 03, 2013, 11:04 #33733

    I think Squillacci would fit in well with the Dog and Duck as I see them winning the Alehouse Sunday League.

  2. Ron

    Apr 02, 2013, 10:10 #33695

    Bendtner is an enigma for sure. Not quite good enough though really. Lets be honest though, a player gets sold from Arsenal whether he s good, bad, rubbish or indifferent and whether theyve fitted in or not (unless of course hes one of Mr W s persoal favourites in which case hes at the Club for the duration, fit, unfit or somwhere in between and wheher hes useful, awful or simply one who nobody can quite see the point of or his reason for being at the Club!

  3. Rob

    Mar 31, 2013, 13:21 #33651

    I personally think Bendtner is a technically gifted footballer,He looks decent when he's played in his prefered position for Denmark and he scores goals for them too,I know it seems fashionable on here to slaughter him but I think its unwarranted.Maybe if Wenger put him up top his attitude might change,I think it would be a shame to allow him a transfer.

  4. markymark

    Mar 30, 2013, 9:41 #33647

    why oh why was diaby given a new longer contract. All but wenger knew he would not last 6 games. Reasonable player but should have been sold at least 3 years ago. His constant injuries have unfortunately made him a liability to wengers squad.

  5. James

    Mar 30, 2013, 8:05 #33646

    No player sums up wrong place wrong time better than Arshavin.When we signed him he was one of the top 3 number 10's in Europe.Yet Wenger never played him as a number 10.He stuck him out wide.A total waste of a top quality player.Another piece of shocking mismangement by Wenger

  6. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Mar 30, 2013, 7:40 #33645

    @redfox. I agree that Bendtner has far more talent than Giroud. His attitude like Bentley is his downfall. Giroud always gives 100% but his lack of quality leaves him looking average at best. I think 70% talent 30% attitude is the right mix. Wenger has failed to get this balance right for the past few years and that's a big reason why we've been also rans.

  7. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 29, 2013, 17:47 #33643

    There's always been players who don't fit at certain clubs and don't work out, and arsenal have had their share of them over the years,and certainly more than their share over the last six or seven.Those that did fit in perfectly were flogged, or they moved on to bigger and better things, and like you've said Frank they cannot be considered failures as the medals they've won and about to win since leaving show, and they've never been replaced either,they were the ones that were failed alright, by a manager surrounding them with inexperience and mediocrity, something he's still doing in the hope they'll come good and they never do (and there's been far to much of that over the years)It's been a while since players like bould and smith were brought in to replace some of the mediocre that we've had that didn't work out and still aren't.Can the Bendtners,Denlisons,Chamakhs, etc,etc,go on to better things when released ? can they become hot properties ? I doubt it, not in the prem anyway, but i suppose if Eboue can do it anybody can.

  8. John

    Mar 29, 2013, 17:12 #33642

    interesting article and interesting that you chose Denilson, Bendtner and Eboue. I believe all three could have been decent players for us, however all three lacked the requisite experience surrounding them to help when their form naturally dipped. I especially feel sorry for Denilson because the midfield he came into were all youngster, and we saw all of them suffer as a consequence.

  9. CanadaGooner

    Mar 29, 2013, 16:11 #33641

    There isn't a "right place" or "right time" for bendtner, he simply isn't good enough and not consistent enough. His arrogance, unlike those of Ronaldo or Rooney was misplaced (you have to be very good to be arrogant) and the infamous incident he had with Adebayor underlined that. The problem with Arsenal is that we only want players who will fall in line, do as their told and pick up their pay package. Players like Adebayor, Flamini, Song and a few others who got really impatient with the nonsense had to go (add Nasri and Van Persie to that list) as their "must win" attitude didn't fit in with Wenger's group and ultimately, they knew they had to go elsewhere. Some of them did it honourably (e.g. Fabregas) and some others did it in questionable fashion e.g. Cole, Adebayor, Clichy and Nasri. But whichever way you look at it, those players were better for us than the soulless group of passive players we currently have (wilshere and jenkinson excluded, as those are the dying breed of wanna-win players we have left)

  10. redfox

    Mar 29, 2013, 13:36 #33640

    Might get shoot down for this, but i would have played Bendtner over Giroud this season.