Quality Lacking

Online Ed: Winning sequence comes to an end v Everton



Quality Lacking

Giroud: Honest, yes. Clinical, no.


Last season’s corresponding fixture against Everton was settled by a late goal – a volleyed finish by Robin Van Persie. A wonder goal. The evening before the match, I had attended the Arsenal Supporters Trust AGM and afterwards, in conversation with a fan who thinks Arsene Wenger can do no wrong, I posited that the club needed to spend big to replace the likes of players that have left such as RVP. It was put to me that Olivier Giroud was every bit as good. From this kind of comment, I have become convinced that there is some kind of hypnotic cult going on amongst certain of Arsenal fans who will believe every word the manager says, and refuse the evidence of their eyes.

Giroud was purchased as a direct replacement for Van Persie. The club knew back in May 2012 that he wanted to depart and Giroud was bought in June as a consequence. He is an honest pro who will put in a shift. However, for a centre forward, he does not score many with his feet. And that has been a palpable weakness in his game this season. So it proved yesterday evening. There was one glorious chance he put wide before the interval and there were others where he did not have the quality to convert genuine opportunities into goals. Arsenal are trying to get by on the cheap and it works up to a level. But it is a level that is becoming increasingly difficult to charge significant money for as the struggle to sell club level for next season is demonstrating. ‘Club level waiting list’ was advertised on the surround between two of the tiers on the West Stand last night. Waiting list? How long? As long as it takes the club to pick up the phone. People are not renewing.

There is the usual guff about spending big this summer, but the manager might actually be forced to do it to get some bums on the expensive seats. In recent summers, it was relayed at the Trust AGM, the board have been urging him to spend, but he has only done so cautiously. Arsene Wenger does not want to buy big. As long as the club is making profit, then he is allowed to continue doing things his way. So in 2012 the club paid £9.6 million for Giroud. Thierry Henry cost not much less than that 13 years earlier. The price of quality has risen somewhat in those years. Arsenal need to be spending at least what they received for Van Persie to have any prayer of replacing him.

There were other frustratingly missed opportunities. Kieran Gibbs’ waste of a fantastic second half situation with time and space to pick out a colleague with a decent pass that would take out the keeper. He played the ball into a throng of Everton defenders instead. Mikel Arteta, clean through, decided to take on his man rather than shoot and was dispossessed from behind. Quality is lacking in the final third. Bad decision making is costing the team points.

Granted, Everton are no mugs, the best side Arsenal have faced since Bayern Munich at home in February. They defended resiliently and created a few chances of their own. The home team undoubtedly shaded this match but the visitors could also have won it. They were certainly assisted by a very lenient referee in Kevin Friend who should have dismissed Darren Gibson and also let Fellaini off with two obvious yellow card offences, at least to the naked eye. I have not seen any TV coverage as yet to confirm. The official certainly allowed Everton to demonstrate the physical side of their game with Jack Wilshere a particular target.

The number 10 had a much better game than on Saturday. At times, he did try to do too much and ended up losing possession, but he was the main driving force behind the team and it is obvious why the manager is so keen to get him match fit again. It was interesting to see Szczesny back between the sticks, and he had a far better game than those before he was ‘rested’. Podolski still did not get a start, but at least there was never any indication that Gervinho would be leaving the bench.

The end of the season will tell us whether this was a point gained or two lost. I believe if Arsenal can win at Fulham on Saturday, then four points out of six for these two matches is an acceptable return. But if the Gunners were to suffer defeat at Craven Cottage, with Manchester United on the horizon, we may be looking at plenty of Thursday and Sunday football next season.

For a 0-0 it was a decent enough 90 minutes. Plenty going on. However, the failure to beat Everton was ultimately a legacy of a lack of investment to retain the standard of squad we once enjoyed. At key moments, players fell short. At the end of the day, you get what you pay for, with the exception of us mugs in the stands.

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  1. Theo Jensen

    Apr 19, 2013, 10:42 #34096

    @Gooner Ron and Augustus Caesar, granted Steve Bruce is not a good manager as I said, but he played under Sir Alex Ferguson and the quote is true. The point is that even if you've got a great striker, your team will be defined by the qualities of them. The characteristic trait of Giroud is that he's slow- technically he's excellent within those perimeters, and the points you both make are correct in that context, but it affects the entire tempo of the team. It's the reason he can hardly score from more than a cross. Why the team can rarely counter attack effectively, and the fact remains that the lone striker will be given the most chances in 4-3-3 system. When I saw Podolski turn and score that goal against Norwich it just seemed like that's what we need, someone with a lots of ingenuity and sharpness. I think Giroud would actually be better used as a second striker in a 4-4-2 formation given that he is team player more than anything else as you both say.

  2. AugustusCaesar

    Apr 19, 2013, 0:58 #34094

    Theo Jensen - His hold up play on Tuesday was very good. As a centre forward I think he does what's required pretty well. He's not as dynamic as RvP obviously but if he holds the ball well and brings others in to play then maybe he doesn't need to be banging in 25 a season. The analysis all seems to be a bit exact science here. RvP drew blanks occasionally too. I'll reiterate, I'm not sure Giroud is quite top gravy and I'd like to see us add a nother top striker to the squad but I think it's unfair to critisise him for not filling the boots of arguably the world's best striker right now. We've scored goals as many goals this season as last, that's the bottom line, Giroud has scored a fair few and he's set up a fair few, he shouldn't be scapegoated.

  3. GoonerRon

    Apr 18, 2013, 20:02 #34093

    @ Theo Jensen - I'm not sure using any quote from Steve Bruce is terribly inspiring. We had the top scorer on the league who was fully fit for the entire season last year and have performed comparably this season which renders what Bruce says pretty irrelevant. I don't think Cazorla, Theo and Podolski have got into double figures due to Giroud not being dynamic enough to score more, but because we are a more rounded team this season with less reliance on a single player.

  4. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 18, 2013, 18:34 #34092

    Canada, i agree old red nose and his boys have taken their foot of the gas they know it's wrapped up and have done for a while,and who can blame them there's been nobody to push them all season.And none of us would bet on Wenger and his boys coming out on Saturday against Fulham and doing what the chavs did, their more likely to huff and puff alright and sideways pass, and backways pass all over the place until it's two late, and blow another opportunity.

  5. THE MAGIC HUT

    Apr 18, 2013, 17:54 #34091

    Best way I can describe Giroud is that he's a cross between Lee Chapman (quite pony) and Alan Smith (quite decent).. Halfway house if you like..

  6. CanadaGooner

    Apr 18, 2013, 16:22 #34090

    we'll see what happens at Fulham. Chelsea were there this week and within 5 minutes of that game, you knew who was going to walk away with the 3 points. That's what 'competing' is all about. The demeanor or our players is simply lamentable. They will huff and puff and sometimes only begin playing when they're a goal down or chasing a lost cause; that's never the trademark of a team intent on winning anything. Man Utd are now playing the way they are, because they know the trophy is theirs; unfortunately, that's how aresenal stareted and ended the last 8 seasons: with no purpose, no hunger and usually consistently lackadaisical displays

  7. Theo Jensen

    Apr 18, 2013, 15:31 #34089

    Augustus Caesar- if a team plays a lone striker then that player is the focal point of the whole system. It's like Steve Bruce said (not a fan of him as a manager but a fair point) "you're only as good as your strikers.". Players have had to step up and score because Giroud isn't dynamic enough to score prolifically in this league.

  8. ATID

    Apr 18, 2013, 14:28 #34088

    For a nil nil it was a surprisingly enjoyable game probably due the good old fashioned physical commitment being shown by both sides. The main positive for me was how well the team coped with Everton's tough approach. Just as we seem better able to cope with Stoke we may have turned an important corner. So why couldn't we win? I am not sure that sending off Gibson would have made any difference as our problem lay in opening up a very well organised and mentally tough opposition. Going forward we don't seem to have many options. Theo was just like Theo on a bad day and Giroud, although better than Chamakh, not as good as the player he replaced. If by some miracle a decent cross comes in from the wing then it is rare for someone to be on the end of it. Breaking from one end of the pitch to the other in a the classic Vieira to Berkamp manner seems a distant golden memory (a sunny Stamford Bridge in 2004?). Wenger does now have a big opportunity. The squad is generally OK, and in the time honoured terms of a supporter reviewing what might be, we are only 3 or 4 signings away from challenging for honours again. Our manager has got at least one more season to prove that he is still a football genius. He has the cash available so no more excuses. If next season pans out in similar fashion then he has only himself to blame.

  9. JD

    Apr 18, 2013, 13:23 #34087

    I agree with someone who said that Whilshere is a way over-hyped by the English media its turning into a joke sorry his a above average player but not good or wc yet, he is way better than Cleverly that is for sure. Carzorla was the best player yesterday but he gets overlooked for Whilshere smh which is a joke he does not score enough goals for me he has to score more goals and yes even his passing is not as good Fabregas was at that time or same age as Whilshere, but fabregas was already wc at the age of 19 END OF STORY

  10. AugustusCaesar

    Apr 18, 2013, 12:44 #34086

    The reason why the team finds itself in the same position as last season is nothing to do with selling RvP and buying Giroud as his replacement. You could say it's sympotamatic of our current transfer policy which contributes to an overall malaise but the 'goals for' column for this season is, I'm guessing, pretty similar to last season, no? There's been more emphasis on sharing the goals throughout the team this season with goalscoring midfielders like Cazorla coming to the fore. Not sure this has ever mentioned on on this frighteningly blinkered forum. I've grown to like Giroud this season and think he brings some attributes that even golden bollocks Van Persie(the same player The Gooner inisted we should sell when he was perpetually injured incidentally) doesn't. What I would say though is that he shouldn't carry the can for next season and should be seen as a squad player, an important squad player mind you not a discarded, forgotten squad player a la Chamakh/Arshavin etc.

  11. Green Hut

    Apr 18, 2013, 12:30 #34085

    It's not as if Wenger wasn't warned about Giroud. In 2010 he brought in a forward from the previous year's French league champions on silly wages. Chamakh was and is rubbish. Then in 2011 he bought a forward from the French league champions for £10.6m. Gervinho is rubbish. And then, having seen the clear folly of his two previous acquisitions he spent £13m of our season ticket money on a forward from the French league champions. Giroud is rubbish. And then there's Park Chu-Young. The point, the bloody obvious point, being is that the French league, with one exception, is a poor league. In the first few years of Wenger's reign French football was the best in the world and his nationality and contacts always kept him one step ahead of other English club managers by helping him bring in the likes of Petit, Anelka, Vieira, Henry and Pires relatively cheaply. But now with French football far weaker than it was, Wenger repeatedly goes back in search of unnecessary value. And fails. I think it was Albert Einstein that said the definition of madness is 'doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results'. Someone call for the men in white coats.

  12. Paul

    Apr 18, 2013, 11:09 #34084

    Michu 17 league goals,Ba 15,Benteke 15 ,Lukaku and Berbatov 13.All avaiable last summer all cheaper than Giroud.In the case of Michu,Benteke and Lukaku it was their first full season in the prem so the "its only Giroud's first season" arguement doesnt hold water

  13. Big Dave

    Apr 18, 2013, 9:19 #34083

    I keep saying it next season we're buy two average players sell 3 good ones. Ground Hog day again, And even with a change of manager would you trust our board to get the right manager No they will hire a puppet. They can't even see all they empty seats in the ground.

  14. Jude

    Apr 18, 2013, 5:05 #34082

    Ramsey's the man of the match? Based upon what? Apart from running his socks off, he offers very little. His alleged best trait that I always hear about, having a great engine, tells me all I need to know about his ability with the ball at his feet. The bloke is mediocrity personified.

  15. Joe S.

    Apr 18, 2013, 2:57 #34081

    Theo Walcott failed to deliver the goods yet again. He never will be the type of player who can take a game by the scruff of it's neck and inspire his team to something bigger and better. His return of one decent game out of every four only serves to decieve in the sense that we couldn't let him leave in case he ultimately fullfilled his promise else where, but as most of us are now aware this is never likely to happen because what you see is what you get.

  16. Theo Jensen

    Apr 18, 2013, 0:25 #34080

    The money from Van Persie's sale could have covered the purchase of Podolski, Demba Ba AND Kevin Mirallas. The problem is that there are always great players available for a reasonable fee. Juan Mata for a guaranteed £17m would be the steal of the century, and yet nothing materialized. We had £46m from selling Eduardo, Toure and Adebayor. We bought Koscielny (terrible in that first season...), Squillaci, Gervinho and AOC (promising but needed first teamers more so). That could have been Schwarzer, Samba, Jagielka/Cahill and Mata. The issue for me is not the amount of money, it's that each window there are great options but he opts for dross. The decline is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

  17. LJB

    Apr 17, 2013, 23:27 #34079

    Last night provided proof that Wenger is done as a top level manager.Wrong tactics,wrong team selection and a severe lack of quality in the squad.Wenger is a dinosaur in a football world that has changed.The days of the omnipotent manager overseeing all aspects of a club are long gone.Now you have Directors of football whose job is to oversee contracts and player recruitment 365 days a year.Our manager spends about 7 days a year doing this,and hates every minute;no wonder the quality of the squad is so poor.Clubs also employ people whose job is deal with youth player recruitment and ensure the efficient running of the Academy.First team affairs are the job of the "Head Coach", assisted by a team of specialists in charge of training.At Arsenal,Wenger does everything,none of it particularly well.The problem is that without a single football man on the board who understands how the game has changed,we are stuck with Wenger and his outdated regime for the foreseeable future.The men at the top are far too conservative to consider making any changes,and seem far more interested in Arsenal's property portfolio than the quality of the product they are selling on the pitch.

  18. Noz

    Apr 17, 2013, 23:25 #34078

    I cannot believe nobody has mentioned the outstanding player on the pitch last night, a player we desperately need for next season, Fellaini. What a player!!! He is a human black hole drawing the ball to him time and again both in defence and attack. The closest player to Vieira in a very good while. Spend some fricking money on proven Premier League quality for a change Wenger, in fact grab Baines as well.

  19. CanadaGooner

    Apr 17, 2013, 22:33 #34077

    @James (not targeting your comments mate; just coincidental that I've responded twice today to what you've said): surely it isnt all about money; Man Citeh spent billions and what has it got them in 4 years of crazy-spending? This year, perhaps just an FA Cup. But the reality is that they still look like a team that will compete for something (and they have). Right now, Arsenal have been written off by every pundit, schoolboy or toddler: and you can see why; we are a hopeless team with a hopeless manager and some of our fans have accepted this situation.

  20. kilkenny cat

    Apr 17, 2013, 22:25 #34076

    The question is,have we done well with a weak squad,or badly in a poor premier league. The truth is we wont get away with it again. Things must change

  21. James

    Apr 17, 2013, 22:04 #34075

    @Bard We dont have the money you kidding?.We are the 4th richest club in the world.Two seasons ago we got £55m for Cesc and Nasri last summer we got £40m for RVP and Song.We have loads of money we dont spend it on quality and quality costs £3100m not £10m.We buy cheap

  22. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Apr 17, 2013, 22:02 #34074

    They both work hard but Giroud and Ramsey frustrate the hell out of me.We're never going to win anything with players of that quality in the team. They are squad players at best.

  23. Polecat

    Apr 17, 2013, 21:56 #34073

    @ Nicosia Gooner - Get yourself down club level, won't be much of a wait to get in judging by what Kevin has said. Unlimited buffet mate so you won't have to cook any horse meat when you get home. Cheers.

  24. CanadaGooner

    Apr 17, 2013, 20:06 #34072

    @James; I do see your point; but if Wenger had allowed Walcott to leave, we would all hack him for it, as the lad was scoring all or goals at the time and did what he had to do to get himself a bumper package! In truth, poor as Walcott is, there are several other players one would get out of the club ahead of wally. The Club has lost control: if we buy decent players, they only play well for a few weeks (e.g. santi) before settling down into what they see the other players doing. if one of our players has a half-decent season, he'll set his sights elsewhere (e.g. RVP). So, what do you do? The people we currently have at the helm of the club (Gazidis and co) do not know how to solve this conundrum, and Wenger has lost interest.

  25. Bard

    Apr 17, 2013, 19:35 #34071

    Hastybananas makes an astute point.Its all very well complaining about Giroud but replacing RVP with a top class player would cost a lot more than the £24m Fergie paid for him. £35-45m plus massive wages is the going rate for a Falcao. Arsenal don't have that kind of money so I see why Wenger takes a punt on a Giroud. The problem last night was that no one bar Podolski can remotely be considered a striker now Wally has gone missing.

  26. ando

    Apr 17, 2013, 19:34 #34070

    well put sir spot on

  27. Badger

    Apr 17, 2013, 19:17 #34069

    Interesting article and responses. On my way out of the game last night my immediate reaction was that if we had a top top striker on the pitch, we would have won. Thats the dfference top quality makes in tight games. Everton played well to be fair, and for the first 25 minutes were the better team but we got into it and for the rest of the game had the better chances, of which we should have taken at least 1. Jack was better than Saturday but still not at his best, I was a bit surprised he started. Santi was out of it on the wing but when he moved inside in the last 20 mins he ran the show, perhaps he should have started there. I think some of our problems are that we have too many players for the same position. Rosicky, Santi and Jack all want to play the forward mid role, and the way we play, only one at a time can. Theo is off form, and the Ox surely deserves a start, he can be a bigger talent than Theo if he is given the chance. Bottom line is surely Wenger can see what a difference a couple of top players would make to us. We can't beat the top sides freely but they don't stuff us either, so we aren't far off, but we need some real quality added to the team. Keep the faith

  28. James

    Apr 17, 2013, 18:59 #34068

    9 games played against the top 6 clubs this season won 1, drew 3, lost 5.Points won 6 out of 27.We are 5 quality players away from even challenging even United.We need a keeper,a commanding CB with pace,A DM and two quality strikers who know where the goal is.Will that happen?Of course not.Not while skinflint Wenger is in charge who will continue to pluck garbage from the French league.Walcott has returned to pre fighting for a contract Walcott.He has really pulled a stunt on Wenger and the board.7 years played well for 6 months and pockets a £20m contract.Only at Arsenal

  29. CanadaGooner

    Apr 17, 2013, 18:36 #34067

    It's very difficult to stay interested when we're more than 20 points behind the lead in the league. SkySports and all those outfits making TV money out of it, will make you believe there is a competition within the competition i.e. Top 4, Big 6, and those other non-trophy trophies. If we finish 2nd or 3rd or even 4th in the league every season after having been close or within reach of winning the league till around April, I will be excited and wont moan about us not winning it. But to begin each season knowing we have players who do not care enough or are simply not good enough to beat Blackburn or Bradford or even put up a fight for a trophy, is simply disheartening. We now have to settle for the excitement of seeing where Spur finish behind us, or a champions league place, which will translate into some humiliating results later in the season. If we can at least show some interest next season and get eliminated from the FA Cup and League Cup by Man Utd or Citeh and be in contention in the league till March, then I would say that's an improvement. Right now, we're just a pathetic 'also ran' team, making up the numbers and making money for SkySports and Kroenke

  30. Greg71

    Apr 17, 2013, 18:03 #34066

    the spectre of van persie has haunted us all season compounded by the chances missed in a tight game last night and the prospect of utd getting the required result sunday week with a familiar emirates goalscorer.Giroud would/should only be a squad/impact player for a team with real ambition to win a title/champions league,which is why he starts for us. The quest for a proven/ world class striker is a quandry do the club chase an overpriced proven premier league striker or a top striker from abroad availible in the summer,one thing must be in place and that is champions league football to attract the best IF the club can be taken seriously again as a top contender.

  31. Ron

    Apr 17, 2013, 17:24 #34065

    2 Quality strikers needed, a midfield enforcer, a goal keeper, two full backs, a top quality centre back, a genuine wide player. Get them of excellent quality and the Club might move forward. Dont bother and this Club will slide further next Season. G teed. Its a 'quality' abyss there!

  32. BG

    Apr 17, 2013, 16:29 #34064

    To me, it is clear that Arsenal suffers from the Manager's continual decisions to use players out of their natural position. The difference when Wilshere was substituted and Cazorla moved into the centre of midfield was quite remarkable. In Cazorla he has one of the very best central midfield players in the world, and I hope Wenger doesn't ruin him like he did Arshavin! Also, there has been much criticism of RVP's replacement, Olivier Giroud. He certainly seems short of finishing ability, but I thought last season that the direct replacement was Podolski, a top European central striker with some 100 German caps. But no, he now seems to be yet another relatively innefective left winger such as Arshavin, Ramsey and others who have regularly been played out of position.

  33. hastybananas

    Apr 17, 2013, 16:28 #34063

    Spend big on who? are they any good? Ferguson looked every where and brought a 29 yr old with a history of injuries for £24 mil'

  34. Sir Sid James

    Apr 17, 2013, 16:25 #34062

    We are forever saying its their first season give them till the 2nd season to judge them.We heard it with Squillaci Chamakh Santos Gervinho who all got worst in their 2nd season and now its Giroud.Why would a player who is crap in his first season magically turn into a good player in the 2nd season.Look at Michu in his first season.You are either good or not another season wont change that.Wengers problem is he wont sign ready made top quality.Giroud's return as the number 1 striker at Arsenal is abysmal

  35. Mike

    Apr 17, 2013, 16:15 #34061

    Giroud has had a better 2013 than RVP

  36. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 17, 2013, 15:55 #34060

    Very apt heading Kev quality is something we haven't had for a long time and any we did, we've flogged for profit,and not replaced,it's all very well against the bottom of the table teams and the relegation fodder but when it was really needed last night it just wasn't there,where was the 100k a week man when he was needed ? MIA again, Giroud ? Gervinho ? among others, not up to the job. Jack is all we have and a few others with potential and Jack at the minute is out on his feet and being relied on far two much.It was an even enough match but that's where we are now, with the Evertons and have been for years, and hoping for favors from others to scrape into third or fourth place, and without proper quality, and with the powers that be being happy about it, that's where we'll remain.We've had the usual guff about spending big in the summer alright and just wait till the rumors start about being in for this player and that player if they haven't already, we've heard it all before, the spin Department probably couldn't believe their luck and must have been delighted when DD got in on the act, but like i said we've heard it all before.Last night was a great opportunity to get closer to our imaginary trophy and have a laugh at others but we failed to take it,but it could have been worse.One thing is for sure there's a lot more twists and turns before the end of the season and ogl reaches his holy grail of fourth and the celebrations can begin for our imaginary trophy.

  37. Gare Kekeke

    Apr 17, 2013, 14:56 #34059

    One thing I forgot to mention on my original post was that it was annoying yet again to read Wenger complaining about Everton’s so-called ‘rough house’ tactics. I personally didn’t have a problem with it as that’s what’s English football is all about and we shouldn’t bow to a foreigner who thinks it’s his right to tell us how to operate football in England. Despite managing one of England’s top clubs for more than sixteen years, to me it’s patently obvious that Wenger still doesn’t understand English football and still refuses to. Too many ‘fancy dans’ in our team these days and not enough players with plenty of balls who can handle a scrap. So to SteveEFC Post. 36775; don’t tar all of us Gooners under the same brush. Some of us Gooners aren’t duped by Wenger and haven’t been so for some time. And besides, as an Evertonian, you’ve got far bigger problems than a section of Arsenal fans & Wenger complaining about the physical nature of last night’s game.

  38. Jim

    Apr 17, 2013, 14:47 #34058

    Wow! You'll take any chance to launch into one of your tirades, won't you? You do make some good points, but draws against decent teams happen to every club, I'm not sure that every time a team drops a point it is an excuse to slit your wrists. Chelsea have to play Fulham away, Liverpool away, spurs, Man U and Everton. Wedged in around the Europa league. We're still a strong shout for the top four.

  39. The Frank Butcher Experience

    Apr 17, 2013, 14:43 #34057

    Wenger out. Moyes in. If I wanted to emply an accountant I'd go to a recruitment agency. Eff off Wenger.

  40. Peter Wain

    Apr 17, 2013, 14:13 #34056

    to listen to the media you would have thought we lost. I thought that all though we did not play well we were well in control of the match. The only clear cut chance they had was Pieenaar's and that was as a result of a misplaced pass and the Everton player was looking for the centre forward. I thought Mertsacker and Kosciency dealt with Anichibe quite easily and in the second half we had enough possession and chances to win by 2 clear goals. Giroud is Giroud you pay for what you get and we paid a small sum and got a slow trier not a world beater. Still lets hope we win on Staurday.

  41. tp

    Apr 17, 2013, 13:41 #34055

    Totally agree re Giroud. I like him he is a good player, and will become a better player but I liken him to Edin Dzeko, similar in stature and talent but City have Aguero and Tevez, we dont. Arsenal need to go out and buy that match winning centre forward of the calibre of Aguero. Cavani, Falcao, or David Villa for me. Can it be done though?

  42. danluvsafc

    Apr 17, 2013, 13:26 #34054

    Once again like the other 17 home games ive attended this season i came away feeling numb.I remember the times i came away from Highbury feeling proud to be a gooner,nowadays i sit at games totally bored watching the clock tick down wishing the referee would blow up for full time to put me out of my boredom. More of the same next season and the season after and after that and so on...........

  43. steveEFC

    Apr 17, 2013, 12:39 #34053

    You shower of southern softies, just like your team. Both teams got away with strong tackles, the diference being we don't roll around and try to get players booked. Arteta was a disgrace.

  44. Highbury Boy

    Apr 17, 2013, 12:28 #34052

    Agree with Billthered that Giroud is a throwback to the big centre forwards of the 60's and 70's;perhaps even the early 80's where Hawley,Chapman and Hankin spring to mind. He is an honest and hardworking pro with some neat flicks who would score more goals if we slung in more crosses BUT he is not good enough for a club with any real ambition of trophies. He has spent his entire career in the 3 French divisions and will be 27 in September. I fear it's a bit late to expect him to improve.

  45. Elliot

    Apr 17, 2013, 12:13 #34051

    Has Wenger improved Arsenal since last season? No. Can he improve Arsenal with his current attitude? No. Things will not change whilst this man remains in charge, unchallenged by a pathetic and spineless board. Why are his apologists so willing to defend him and why are they happy with the 4th place trophy?

  46. Website Editor

    Apr 17, 2013, 12:09 #34050

    Re: the official - Someone in the row behind me said the ref was Kevin Friend - as they say, my bad. I'd correct it in the piece, but it will make the comments look a bit odd. From where I sit high up in the upper tier, a lot of these refs look somewhat similar!

  47. Nicosia Gooner

    Apr 17, 2013, 11:54 #34049

    After last night's match, I cooked meatballs and chips.

  48. j18efc

    Apr 17, 2013, 11:40 #34048

    Good game last night. We needed to capitalise when we had a good start but didn't quite have the quality to finish. Good defending on our part kept your chances to a minimum but giroud should certainly have scored before half time. Think gibson should have got a red card but for arsenal to complain about dubiuos decisions is a bit ironic after last saturday. Finally wilshere needs to man up and stop screaming like a big girl every time somebody goes near him. Hope you finish above spurs.

  49. WHL87

    Apr 17, 2013, 11:32 #34047

    Wilshere "the driving force" - you must be joking. Granted he may not be match fit but I was disappointed with his contribution and am becoming continually so the longer this comeback season goes on. He is an attacking central midfield player. He has scored two goals this season. Two. That is a piss poor return for a player of his supposed calibre. He is over hyped by the media in a similar way that Beckham was at his age and, judging by the tattoos and hair dos, this "saviour of English football" seems to have started believing his own press. Santi Cazorla was the best player on the pitch last night by a country mile. If you feel Wilshere will ever be as good as him, good luck. On the game - it was a decent enough performance. Very physical and we didn't take a backward step. Agree Giroud is limited and should have converted at least one chance. I also feel the OX should have shot when Santi put him in rather than looking to square the ball to Giroud. Podolski deserves a run up front. He is a natural finisher and will score more goals than Giroud.

  50. Theo Jensen

    Apr 17, 2013, 11:28 #34046

    Giroud is one of the few foreign players that doesn't deserve to be given a year before being judged simply because the sale of RvP left a massive void in the lone striker position, the focal point of the whole team. Demba Ba was available for a much cheaper price and has EPL experience. Giroud is characterised by his slowness both mentally and physically. That's not to say he's useless- I think he'd actually be great in Serie A or La Liga, because those leagues have far slower tempos to the play. Looking at how Podolski finished in the game against Norwich and other times he's drifted to that position, I think he should be given the role of lone striker next season; he's so much dynamic. The EPL requires a striker to be sharper, more mobile and clinical in their finishing and he fits that mould more than Giroud. Still only four goals Giroud has managed that weren't from crosses which doesn't really fit possession football play arguably.

  51. Gare Kekeke

    Apr 17, 2013, 11:17 #34045

    Fair result in my view and a good game to watch. Judging from last night, you can see why Everton are in the running for a European Cup place. Whilst Everton didn’t do enough to win, they certainly were worthy of at least a draw and in my view played like a team who wanted to win even if the recalled Szczesny wasn’t really tested. Speaking of Szczesny, I wonder how he feels about keeping a clean sheet in a 0-0 draw? After all, he’d prefer to concede goals and us to win a game. Could someone tell him (btw, I do think he’s bloody talented so don’t jump on me Wenger apologists) that you can’t always get away with conceding goals and winning games? A proper English game with a fair amount of long balls from the visitors and plenty of tackles flying in and yes you could make a case for either Gibson or Pienaar being sent off for two yellows, maybe even both should have gone. Seeing as we have spent more money than Everton then they shouldn’t really be competing with us; that’s according to the Wenger apologists. But the fact that they are shows that David Moyes realises like a lot of people bar Wenger & his apologists that it takes more than spending lots of money to do well in a season. Swansea City anyone? Btw, I’m not pitching for Moyes to replace Wenger in the summer Long term. I feel sorry for clubs like Everton who are a great club who could suffer in future due to the forthcoming Premier League financial rules. They can thank Gazidis & Wenger amongst others for that. I like Giroud because of his all-round game but he’s typical of the strikers for The Arsenal under Wenger; neither is he ruthless or clinical in front of goal. But yes, he was indeed RVP’s replacement as Grimandi had indicated last summer when he joined us. Get ready for Man Utd to win the league on our turf very soon. In the meantime, come on you Gunners for Fulham away on Saturday. Here’s hoping we put Tottenham lover Martin Jol in his place. See y’all at the Cottage on Saturday. And I’m not looking forward to us playing Cardiff in the league next season either. Up The Arsenal!

  52. Charles & Eddie

    Apr 17, 2013, 10:59 #34044

    A poxy 0-0 draw at home which signals the start of the end of season collapse. Why on earth did Wilshere start after his awful display against Norwich? Giroud not good enough to be frist choice centre forward for Arsenal, his bad misses have cost us points since the first game of the season.

  53. Gf60

    Apr 17, 2013, 10:50 #34043

    Knock, Knock Kev. Swarbrick was last night's saboteur. If Friend had the authority (he was the 4th official), he might well have sent Swarbrick off. And to think I used to have time for both him and Everton.

  54. Mike

    Apr 17, 2013, 10:43 #34042

    Giroud has scored a respectable 17 goals for a first season and if things go well for him he could have around 20 in the bag at the end of it. Although he was bought to replace RVP, he is no RVP. I think everybody knew that when he came in and you would be an idiot to expect to get the same from him in the first season The obvious chance came to him and he scuffed it which stands out. The fact is though, others are not firing when they should be - TW is the biggest culprit in my mind and he doesn't even feature in your article

  55. Green Hut

    Apr 17, 2013, 10:38 #34041

    Your first and third paragraphs sum it up pretty well. Wenger does exactly what he wants and to hell with everyone else, because they haven't worked a day in football management. He will continue to follow his righteous path of financial morality because as far as him winning trophies is concerned, the lower the spend the greater the achievement. And if we win no trophies with tens of millions sitting in the bank, then so be it. Why much of our fanbase happily accept this is a mystery, and I agree it seems like there is a cult mentality amongst Wenger's apologists that is desperate to cling to the past and terrified of a future without him. Whatever their reasoning, they must take their share of the blame for our continuing stagnation.

  56. billthered

    Apr 17, 2013, 10:29 #34040

    Giroud is a player from the sixties and early seventies who does not lack heart and endeavor but lacks that extra bit of class.I will never knock him for his efforts but in tight games like last night we needed a finisher who tucks in two out of three chances and they unfortunately cost a bit extra.By the way Kevin referee was Neil Swarbrick Friend was fourth official whatever that is.

  57. DN

    Apr 17, 2013, 10:27 #34039

    Talking about quality I believe Arsenal has lots of quality.Most players are internationals who have many caps for their countries.The problem is with the team selection.Why would you want the luxury of having a player like Podolski on the bench yet you need proven goal scorers.Why leaving Rosicky on the bench when he has so much quality and experience we need.Why replacing a defender with a defender yet you want to score goals.Why making four changes to a team that was playing so well.

  58. N4

    Apr 17, 2013, 10:26 #34038

    Totally agree with you but this is the Arsenal of new and money and balance sheet are more important....so nothing will change unless a new owner!!!! I never like this owner but my theory is there is a good reason why this owner was chosen by the board but i don't dare say it here but possibly with something to do in keeping it in the family!!!

  59. Croker

    Apr 17, 2013, 10:20 #34037

    Mediocrity is the accepted standard for the Arsenal nowadays - mediocre League position, signing mediocre talent and mediocre spirit displayed by the players when the going gets tough. We can't win every match but I expect Arsenal to at least challenge the best sides. If Walcott has switched off having trousered a pay rise then that's a disgrace. He is the epitome of mediocrity being over rewarded by Arsenal. Ditto Le Boss who needs a big boot up his trousers as mediocrity is not good enough for a Club like Arsenal with its proud history and magnificent roll call of strong minded, battling players not forgetting all of our marvellously gifted creative and goalscoring players of years past.

  60. Gaz

    Apr 17, 2013, 10:15 #34036

    Had a late call from a mate with a spare for last nights game so I watched from the stands for the first time in a while. Thought the atmosphere was quite good tbh and before any of you ask yes I was getting behind them (its actually quite easy to be critical AND supportive at the same time!!!). As for the performance itself Giroud sums up everything that is average about this current side. He's a '7/10' player in every dept (although last night he was more 4/10!) and you could certainly argue that goes for most of those players around him. Make no mistake without BIG changes this summer this side will never win another trophy under Wenger. We'll always take points of the lesser sides of course but when faced with that extra bit of quality we'll struggle to win the big games that makes the real difference between winners and losers.

  61. Ell

    Apr 17, 2013, 9:48 #34035

    While I agree with most of this well-reasoned article, I do think that we need to give players such as Arteta more lee-way. If he had been added to the squad even two years ago, I'm sure there would be more consistency and confidence in his performances...and like most of our players, Giroud is suffering from a serious lack of confidence, though self-assurance isn't lacking. Just like Torres, I think he knows how to score and knows that he can, but finds himself familiar with doubting thoughts about whether he actually will. The introduction of 3 or 4 established stars would at least go half-way to remedying this atmosphere, what do you think?

  62. ogban

    Apr 17, 2013, 9:45 #34034

    I think it is most unfair to compare Giroud with van Persie after just one season. van Persie came good after 8 years in Arsenal, and I'm sure you are one of those who asked for him to be sold during those lean, injury-ravaged years. You and your like should get off Giroud's back and allow him develop please.

  63. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Apr 17, 2013, 9:44 #34033

    A fair summation of events. A match which demonstrated the difference between having an ok / decent striker instead of a top class striker. Mind you, at least Giroud was better than Anichebe. Let's be thankful that Victor has a block like Max Headroom otherwise the unchallenged, unmarked free header that he missed from six yards in the second half from yet another excellent Baines delivery would have re - written the editor's narrative.

  64. Bard

    Apr 17, 2013, 9:43 #34032

    Spot on Kev. Bags of effort but the team palpably lack enough quality. Giroud is no RVP and never will be. The result merely reinforced what we already knew; this current side are a middling bunch of journeyman ( jack and santi excpeted ). Their current position at the top is more down to the abject quality of the Prem this season rather than a reflection of Arsenal's quality. Will it change ? The more important question is can Wenger change ? Looking forward to more bargain basement signings in the summer plus the usual guff about quality and mental strength.

  65. DN

    Apr 17, 2013, 9:42 #34031

    You obviously don,t understand much about football Wishere wasn't a driving force behind the team today.Actual selecting him in place of Rosicky was a poor decision .Walcot,s deep in form continued.And Giroud shouldn't have started.Whether you like him or not Gervinho has proved to be a better player who can open defence creating space for others .Two goals and 3 assists not bad at all .