Huge three points at the Cottage

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Huge three points at the Cottage

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Four points out of six in the two matches v Everton and Fulham was an absolute must. Anything less would have made life very difficult for Arsenal in their quest for a top four place, given that Manchester United are next up.

The Gunners did not play particularly well at Craven Cottage, in spite of having a man advantage for most of the game. The challenge by one time Highbury prospect Steven Sidwell was rightly punished with an immediate red. Olivier Giroud suffered the same fate at the game’s death. His intent did not seem as clear, but the referee’s argument would be that his studs made contact with his opponent’s ankle, so his challenge was dangerous. It was hardly a surprise he evened things up, although it came too late to do Martin Jol’s team any good.

It creates an interesting problem for Wenger. The upside of losing the player for three matches is that his form has not been good, so the manager’s hand being forced may be no bad thing. The downside is that the squad is thin for a likely replacement. Poldolski, Walcott and Gervinho have all been tried there. Podolski is probably the best option, but my suspicion is that Walcott will get the nod. Knowing the way football works, it will probably be Gervinho who then scores the winner against Alex Ferguson’s side… off his behind. Giroud will return for Arsenal’s final match of the season at Newcastle, by which point the Gunners’ fate might have been decided as far as a top four place is concerned. However, if they do have trouble finding the net against United, QPR and Wigan, the charge that the manager was foolish not to ensure a striker was bought in January will have genuine credence.

Arsenal’s goal came about from a good old-fashioned set piece involving headers by the two centre backs. It was nothing to do with Wengerball, but it is a weapon that should be utilized more. Too often, free kicks in the opposition half are taken short and play continues as it did in the build up to the free kick. There is little thought to actually assess the situation and do what is most likely to result in a threat to the opposition goal.

Rosicky returned in place of Jack Wilshere, and provided a couple of driving forward moments, but was generally uninfluential. At times, he swapped with Cazorla. The odd chance was created, but the team looked a little laboured. Fortunately, they were organized at the back, with the offside trap effective at nullifying the home team’s attacks. For the most part, it was a game that, aside from the red cards, will not live long in the memory.

However, it’s points that matter and Arsenal now have 62 (Ed's note - Sorry. Heavy night and an early morning. Bad combination. Arsenal have 63 points!). It would be amazing if 70 did not secure a top four spot. The side should be able to take six points from QPR and Wigan – their collywobble period would normally have happened by now if they were going to drop cheap points in the run-in. That leaves the United home and Newcastle away matches to try and secure another couple of points. I would take two draws there if you offered them to me now, because of the other two fixtures.

Should Arsenal finish top four, the manager will feel vindicated. Some fans will also be content with the season, others will not. Arsenal are the fourth most valuable club in world football. In England, only Manchester United are worth more. And that is why Arsène Wenger is under no pressure to win a trophy. For the people that run the club, he is doing just fine. Fans will make up their own minds when the season ticket renewals go out in May. The club are only really concerned about the 9,000 premium seats being sold for the season though. Any slack in take up of the ‘ordinary’ seats can be addressed on a match by match basis. The middle tier is not such an easy sell and unpaid for places there affect the bottom line much more dramatically. Currently, in that area of the ground, the fourth place trophy is proving a hard sell, meaning we may actually see a bums-on-seats signing this summer...

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  1. Big Dave

    Apr 25, 2013, 7:42 #34253

    I'm turning my back to protest at the way the club is being run and the lack of shame of our board. Well done Man U fair play to them. It seems to me that some fans will accept anything you must be Ivan's wet dream.

  2. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 24, 2013, 18:02 #34247

    Gare Kekeke well said, we're supposed to have class but it hasn't been shown much lately.I'm no fan of old red nose or the mancs, and i doubt any of us are, but this booing and turning our backs on them during the guard of honor is nothing short of ridiculous and pathetic and the same can be said of the person/persons organising it,and if it does happen your right Arsenal fans can certainly not claim any kind of moral high ground ever again. And if the players have had to be ordered by the board to applaud the champions on to the pitch it says a lot about them as well, i would have thought it would have been the manager ordering them maybe he's not keen on it either.Maybe the old farts on the board have showed class after all.

  3. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 24, 2013, 17:11 #34246

    Ron and Tony Evans,i couldn't agree more with you,as i've already said the wenger apologists/boo boys can hardly wait to vent their anger,it's a pity they not as quick and as keen to vent it in the right direction and at the right person/persons.

  4. Ron

    Apr 24, 2013, 16:33 #34244

    Green Hut - Ignore him (Big Jenny). I think my reply to him must have been censored as its not appeared! You know the type,we both do. He's to be pitied, but sadly hes one of a certain type of football follower that pervades the game again. He was maybe at Wembley with Millwall the other week!

  5. JAMIE

    Apr 24, 2013, 15:57 #34243

    The so called fans on here who say it's ok that Van Persie left Arsenal because Arsenal have no ambition are the sort of light weight fans the club need to get rid off.Arsenal need to be a United ship but with these trouble making whingers we'll never get anywhere.Arsenal need proper fans that back them to the hilt.We can't just rely on the AKB's we need the proper working class Gooners to get behind the team.I would never sink to the depth of some on here praising up Man Ure and Van Persestrings those fans show their real colours and are not in my opinion true fans,just jelly spines who probably would leave their misses if a better looking bird came their way.The better the fans are the better the team plays.

  6. Gare Kekeke

    Apr 24, 2013, 14:38 #34241

    @ Ron; I agree with you 100%. Not showing you’re age here but you will know more than me that The Arsenal have always been viewed as a club with class, dignity and ‘doing things the right way’, the ‘Arsenal way’. In my view, that hardly happens these days. Reading things such as Arsenal fans booing Van Persie & the Man Utd players during the guard of honour, turning their backs when it happens and yet again reading comments on this site of fans encouraging violence towards fellow Gooners shows that Arsenal fans cannot claim any moral high ground over any other club supporter whatsoever. And apparently, our players have been ordered by the board to give the guard of honour as they apparently are reluctant to do so because it will involve in doing so to a former player. That’s their fault along with the board & Wenger. Fans, regardless of where they stand with Wenger, have always given 100% backing to the players on a match day but too often are left disappointed in the games that matter.

  7. Tony Evans

    Apr 24, 2013, 13:31 #34238

    Ron - totally agree about RVP. I just wish the brainless idiots that resent him for going (and will no doubt jeer him on Sunday) would open their eyes as to why he did. Winning the title with Manure totally backs up all the reasons he gave and nothing has changed at Arsenal nor will it with Wenger at the helm.

  8. Ron

    Apr 24, 2013, 13:07 #34237

    On the RVP guard of honour thing, i hope it goes well for him. Abusing RVP will just be rank hypocrisy. Anybody with half a brain knows why he left at 29, to leave a lightweight Club with no ambition to one who who only ever wants to win titles. The abusers will look total idiots too, esp as he ll not give a monkeys and probably score anyway to give him even more enjoyment. Wenger ought to squirm at a guard of honour though as it shows what hes become, a impotent bystander looking in wistfully.

  9. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 24, 2013, 12:36 #34233

    It will be interesting to see if ogl will be be with his boys when their giving a guard of honor on Sunday,or maybe he'll just slip out when it's all over.

  10. RDT - 4

    Apr 24, 2013, 11:56 #34229

    But Grant Mitchell is a fictional character, Ray Winstone is an actor and plumbing, Cat burgling and car selling require extremely high levels of skill and intelligence - they wouldn't last five minutes without any.

  11. Seven Kings Gooner

    Apr 24, 2013, 11:01 #34227

    Terry : Most AMG's look like George Clooney and have very high IQ's and can spot bullsh*t from a 100 paces.

  12. Gaz

    Apr 24, 2013, 10:59 #34226

    @joe s: Quality post mate...

  13. GoonerRon

    Apr 24, 2013, 10:53 #34225

    @ johnnyh - we clearly have underperformed in some games, of that there is no doubt. Irrespective of the circumstances, the 8-2 was very painful as was the Birmingham game. But you say we're the 4th biggest club in the world and should aim higher, shouldn't we stop to think about how and why we are the 4th biggest club? Whether you like or not, we were no where near that level when Wenger came in to the club. As I keep saying, Wenger isn't perfect and I agree with a lot of what people on here say, but in my view Wenger should be given the final year of his contract (hopefully with the pursestrings loosened because of extra income coming in) and earn his right to a new contract at the end of next season by delivering success (i.e. a trophy/and or genuine title challenge).

  14. Joe S.

    Apr 24, 2013, 9:06 #34219

    Heard the latest on Goetze this morning while watching Bayern's demolition of Barcellona.Glad I'm not the only one stung by the obvious. It all makes sense doesn't it? The player constantly on Arsnal's/ Arsene's radar already signed and sealed by the Bavarians.There's Bayern already with a trophy in hand and the Champions League in sight strenghening for next season (as if their B team couldn't knock off our firsts in a real game). I guess that's the difference in being ambitious and merely sending out smokescreens while giving an impression of being competitive. Meanwhile Mandy Dodd does what only Mandy Dodd can do; see the beauty in Arsene Wegner even after the melting snow has uncovered the dung heap.

  15. Terry

    Apr 24, 2013, 8:43 #34216

    It's very true that most AKB's do look like Richard Briars.There's no getting away with it most Wenger followers are middle class tend to work in the City while the Wenger Out tend to be more your Grant Mitchell/Ray Winston plumbers cat burglars and second hand car dealers.

  16. DW Thomas

    Apr 24, 2013, 1:17 #34211

    If RVP winning the title and then getting a guard of honor at the Emirates doesn't take the cake, what will? Relegation? Is that what it would take for change? This club is truly a has been. Goetze now too will head to Bayern and they just spanked Cesc and Messi 4-0! We need a statement of intent made by top signings that will really change this team and restore pride. That is my biggest problem. My pride of Arsenal is only for our past. We are ship with no true captain. Our current state is embarrassing. Does Wenger have any pride? We should have got Pep. Then we could have got some top players to follow. Watching Spurs vs. Man City reminded me of the Invincibles team. They trounced City, showing true desire to get a CL spot. Will we show that same desire? I hope, but no longer expect that type of game from our current squad. A comeback that slaps the opponent in the face. That's what I want against United this weekend! But, then would it really matter? They already won the title. Any we are scraping for the scraps.

  17. Mandy Dodd

    Apr 24, 2013, 0:54 #34210

    Alsace, we now have one of the better defences in the league, maybe wenger is changing, and our last two major signings have been on the impressive side in terms of buying players. Monreal and cazorla. Stroud green, I do not want us with a less brilliant coach, but others on here clearly do, I gather moyes, o neill, and even Owen coyle have been mentioned in dispatches by some on here. Everyone has the right to such opinions of course, but personally, I could never want an anti football manager at our club in the future.

  18. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 23, 2013, 23:18 #34209

    So the insults and threats of violence have started, when you see that you know there's nothing left, and a new low has been reached.

  19. Gaz

    Apr 23, 2013, 21:57 #34208

    @big Jenny: Ah, so its the old 'I haven't really got an argument so I'll either call you a spud or aim a few petty insults your way....'

  20. Theo Jensen

    Apr 23, 2013, 21:46 #34207

    The thing about the Invincibles defence is that the back five there weren't especially good (apart from Ashley Cole). The reason we were sound defensively is because the whole style was based on counter attacking. Just look at the classic Arsenal goals and you can be sure the attack will start from fairly deep with lots of players sitting compact and turning over possession quickly. The defence was never strained because we had great protection in front of it (Vieira chiefly) and because the attackers were unmatched in terms of pace, strength and skill. Concentrated attack on our defence in those days was strategic suicide. It's interesting that as that squad got older and the possession based play became more commonly used that we have witnessed such poor defending season on season.

  21. Jack

    Apr 23, 2013, 21:41 #34206

    I'm of down the pub now with Big Jenny.And if I bump into any anti Arsenal whinge douchebags praising up Man Ure and giving it large about Van Judas those b******* will wish they had never been born.

  22. CanadaGooner

    Apr 23, 2013, 21:28 #34205

    @Brady79; good try mate; you've forgotten there's something called a DRAW, which is more punitive (i.e. drawing 2 matches = 2 points; winning 1 and losing 1 = 3 points) than what you've described. DRAWING too many games is what got Citeh, Arsenal, Chelski and Spuds where they are right now: miles behind Manure. Chelsea V Spurs will most likely be a draw; and to think teams like Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea who havent managed to average 2 points per game so far this season, will suddenly win 4 out 5 is a little silly. There will be many more points dropped all round.

  23. Green Hut

    Apr 23, 2013, 21:25 #34204

    Big Jenny- I think spineless and pitiful would be appropriate adjectives to describe those inadequates who play the tough guy whilst hiding behind a computer screen. Most AKBs I come across remind me of Richard Briers in Ever Decreasing Circles and I'm sure you're no different. But if you're anywhere near block 3 on Sunday I'll be the one singing 'Arsene Wenger, you sold them the league'. Feel free to bump into me.

  24. Brady79

    Apr 23, 2013, 21:00 #34203

    Not to get involved in AMG vs AKB but the arithmetic could be as follows: Arsenal beat QPR Wigan & Newcastle, lose to ManUre, finish on 72; Spuds beat Wigan Southampton Stoke & Sunderland, lose to Chelski, finish on 73; Chelski beat Swansea, spuds, Villa & Everton, lose to Manure, finish on 74: hello Thursdays and Sundays. Might not go down that way, but we are once again relying on others' slip-ups and good luck, rather than showing real fight. Arsenal till I die, but more and more ****ed off.

  25. Rob

    Apr 23, 2013, 20:17 #34202

    The previous story from Wenger's 'apologists' was that no one ever achieves anything by leaving Arsenal. Hmmm....the last few seasons have scuppered that little line well and truly have they not ? But then it's so much easier to throw babyish tantrums at former players, than address the real issue, which is the ineptitude of the current Management, both of the team and the Club. I wonder if our absentee 'Majority Shareholder' will be over on Sunday to see the Champions ? In fact, I wonder if he will even bother to look for the result in Mondays papers ? I think we we all know the answer to that one, don't we. By the mid point of next season we will be past the half way mark of the 1953 to 1970 trophyless hiatus that was previously our post Chapman nadir. But at least we tried to change things a bit in those days.

  26. Big Jenny

    Apr 23, 2013, 19:22 #34201

    spineless arses like Ron, jb, angry and frustrated,Gaz and RD 4."I don't blame RVP for leaving".Are the most pitiful so called Gooners you could ever meet.They make me want to puke.If I bumped into any of them they'd be on their arses.

  27. Alsace Lorraine De Totteridge

    Apr 23, 2013, 18:52 #34200

    Dear Mandy, Even if you accept that Wenger is responsible for good player development, the reason that RVP left is because AW would not buy the players he needed to buy or address the fundamentals of the game. RVP went to play for a proper manager who knows the importance of a defence and of having proper holding midfielders. He went because despite his pleading and staying on beyond when other left, Wenger will not change. It does need to be addressed. Wenger won't and can't reform and must go.

  28. johnnyh

    Apr 23, 2013, 18:52 #34199

    @gooner ron, the point i was making regarding sol was that he was out of contract. we would never have signed him had a transfer fee been required. your comments about the invincibles are fair enough but he is also the man who sent out a team that conceded eight goals at old trafford(for which he should have been sacked on the spot) the same man who ruined the captain of russia by sticking him on the left wing,who lost a cup final to a team that was relegated the same season and who lets not forget (although i am trying my best to) that thought emanuel eboue was a good player! wenger is a whinging has been who has been outcoached by everyone from alex mcleish to michael laudrup. arsenal football club are said to be the fourth biggest in world football.we should DEMAND higher standards.no one person is bigger than the club. we need to be looking to the future with a modern progressive manager whose aim is a little bit higher than finishing above spurs.

  29. Angry & Frustrated

    Apr 23, 2013, 17:51 #34198

    GoonerRon You make a valid point about Sol, but I do wonder if DD had not been around, whether or not he would have joined us, given that Wenger has had plenty of subsequent dithering form with Alonso, Mata and Cahill springing to mind. I guess we will never know, but like johnnyh I have my doubts Wenger on his own would have signed Sol. Maybe that's an unfair observation, but you have to admit Wenger leaves himself wide open to critics of his management style like me.

  30. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Apr 23, 2013, 17:08 #34197

    JAMIE, think you should take your own advice and be careful opening your mouth too wide whilst you're happily treading water. Wouldn't want you to drown in your own idiocy.

  31. Ron

    Apr 23, 2013, 16:18 #34196

    No probs with RVP either. His goals deserve the title and after nearly 9 years of nothingness save for an FAC win in which he was a bit part player he deserves it. I bet Wenger looked on wistfully, or if he didnt, his arrogance is greater than even i think it is.

  32. JAMIE

    Apr 23, 2013, 14:31 #34195

    I thought most of the losers who contribute to this site would be overjoyed with Manure winning the title last night.As it will give them more ammunition to carry on in their self obsessed whinge fest about everything Arsenal.I think the the trying to convince everybody that we only sell our best players.Ie.Nasri,Van Persie,Clichy is wearing a bit thin now.Most of the players we have brought in Carzorla,Podolski,Monreal are just as good as shown by our League position and Van Persie previously had gone 10 games without a goal.So shut your big mouths up you bleating fanboys and get behind the team the last time I looked they were on a pretty good run.

  33. jb

    Apr 23, 2013, 14:18 #34194

    No way should Van Persie be given a hostile reception - he would still be with us if we matched his ambition. In his own words he has finally won it and we all know he had to leave for this to happen. Sad days indeed and a lot more to come.

  34. RJ

    Apr 23, 2013, 13:49 #34193

    Re: The RVP add-on fee - I wonder if there will be one of those presentations on Saturday where SAF hands Arsene a giant cheque for £1.5m at half time? That would be worth attending.

  35. GoonerRon

    Apr 23, 2013, 12:52 #34192

    @ johnnyh - a lot of what you say is true re: some of the really poor performances we've seen, but then you go and say something silly like 'caught another lucky break when he managed to get sol on a free transfer'. Do you really think that was a lucky break? I'm sure Sol had no issues or lingering doubts about swapping Spuds with us, nor did he have any other offers on the table. For crying out loud, Wenger has faults and yes he has bought some poor defenders in his time but stop trying to massage situations to fit your argument that Wenger has never bought a good defender or built a defence. Getting Sol was a massive coup with no luck involved. As for knowing top quality goalkeepers or defenders, he did purchase 4 of the 5 who went a league season unbeaten so again you are trying to 'downgrade' an achievement of Wenger to fit your agenda. As I said, he has made mistakes but at least apply a tiny little bit of balance.

  36. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Apr 23, 2013, 12:47 #34191

    Mandy, by your rationale then we'd be better off with a less 'brilliant' coach, one who did not lose all our best players. As for 'let's see what they do', the club show us what they do year after year - sell the best players, either don't replace or buy inferior replacements at half the price, and bank the profits, judging that a top 4 place will remain attainable. So they already 'address such issues' to their great satisfaction. I do wonder how long some people need something to stare them in the face for before they see it.

  37. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 23, 2013, 12:35 #34190

    A & F, i agree RVP shouldn't be heckled but you can be sure the boo boys/wenger apologists will have different ideas and probably can't wait to vent their anger,but i'm sure it'll not worry him to much, if at all,as he has something he was never going to get staying here and they know it.And a good point about jack, maybe old red nose will pull another one on wenger and get the ball rolling by making sure RVP brings his medal along on Sunday and shows it to him.

  38. Tony Evans

    Apr 23, 2013, 12:29 #34189

    Haven't commented for a while such is my utter disillusionment with all things Wenger. RVP scoring a hat-trick last night to win the title for Manure just rubs salt in the wound. There is a great deal I could say about the wretched situation at Arsenal but having read A&Fs great comment I don't really need to as that says it all.

  39. RDT - 4

    Apr 23, 2013, 12:23 #34188

    How can anyone blame RVP for what he did? Remember he played in the 8-2 mauling at OT in 2011. Imagine him standing there, one of the best strikers in the world, in that crappy blue shirt surrounded by players and a manager with 'why are the nasty men in red doing this to us?' slapped all over their chevy chases. And absolutely no idea how to respond. RVP responded by leaving the sinking ship. Wenger created the situation, it's gross incompetence and he should leave - NOW!

  40. David

    Apr 23, 2013, 11:35 #34186

    3rd/4th place/second rate strikers...Seriously depressing watching RvP bringing home the bacon for Man U. Painful because his sentiments about the Gunners at the start of the season were right. The difference he would've made to Arsenal's season is a comfortable 3rd place, even 2nd, but still nowhere near the top spot. To get that, he was right, he needed to go to another club. Consolidating mediocrity on the pitch and vast profits off it; a chief exec's dream - massive returns for bugger-all outlay.

  41. Gaz

    Apr 23, 2013, 11:23 #34185

    @angry and frustrated: Can't really argue with any of that excellent post particually the point about there being some kind of catylyst to force through change. Guess what though? Even if Wenger decided to resign this summer I absolutely guarentee there would be a huge campaign to get him to reverse his decision. Sad to say but this sorry state of affairs has a long way to run yet and by the time it has the likes of us will be replaced by even more fans brainwashed into believing the real trophy out there is a top four finish and nothing else.

  42. Gare Kekeke

    Apr 23, 2013, 10:59 #34184

    And the good news just gets better for The Arsenal. For the past twelve months, Wenger loving football writers (yes John Cross from the Daily Mirror, I’m looking at you) have been telling us that “Mario Goetze is on Wenger’s radar”, “Goetze will sign for Arsenal”, blah, blah, blah. Now it’s confirmed that he’s off to Bayern Munich for £32m. No doubt the Wenger apologists will say “we couldn’t afford him for that fee” and fair enough, it’s a valid point. But my point is that too many Wenger loving football writers would link us with all manner of players just to get Wenger critics like me off his back and to trust him again even if realistically we have no chance of signing them. Goezte was never Arsenal bound and neither is Iker Casillas or any other elite player in their prime or so-to-be-elite player with their best years well ahead of them.

  43. Green Hut

    Apr 23, 2013, 10:23 #34183

    Mandy- Van Persie issued the statement because Wenger didn't tell him what he needed to hear, that Wenger would spend every penny he had in the pursuit of glory and then ask Kroenke for more. That's why everyone leaves. I will applaud Van Persie on Sunday, he's no judas, he just did what any sensible professional who wants to win trophies would do, get as far away from Arsene Wenger as possible.

  44. Angry & Frustrated

    Apr 23, 2013, 10:13 #34182

    RVP deserves credit for leaving Arsenal (and should not be heckled this Sunday, but applauded), and realizing one of his ambitions, a real trophy, not an imaginary trophy that Wenger and our board aim for each season. The message is now crystal clear to any talented driven individuals who play for Arsenal today or in the future. That message is leave to win real trophies, like RVP did, and one wonders what was going through the mind of Jack last night watching a former team mate celebrate and contribute towards actual success? He has seen it before with Nasri and Fabregas will collect a La Liga winners medal as a bare minimum this season, and may even go one better. My personal take on our current scrap for fourth place is for us to finish fourth ahead of Spurs, simply to deny them the extra funds Champ League brings, but for us to be knocked out in the preliminary round to the group stages. It clearly will require some kind of catalyst to force change, and not being in the Champ League proper may be that catalyst. We desperately require change at the top, as this has become so soul destroying, knowing if we had change we would and should be competing for real trophies again. The very bare minimum I would want this summer is for Usmanov to be given a seat on the board, as his 30% stake warrants. I can't think of any other business in the entire world where the richest person in the land with an already 30% stake is frozen out. Madness and utter stupidity and using a footballing analogy - talk about scoring an own goal!! Sadly as we know to our continued cost, that is the reality of supporting the most cautious, conservative, self interested and most expensive to watch football club in the world.

  45. Bard

    Apr 23, 2013, 10:06 #34181

    RVP wins title for United. Its now official; Wenger is Ferguson's b***h. Its the lowest point in Arsenal's recent history.

  46. Peter Wain

    Apr 23, 2013, 9:36 #34180

    I thought we were awful against Fulham. Walcott and Giroud might just have well been off the pitch for all the impact they made. Every where we were sloppy careless and not motivated. No doubt if we do get 4th we will be linked with lots of top top players and Wenger will buy cheap dross at the end of the window to save of their wages. The club is going nowhere under this type of management.

  47. Ken Dodd

    Apr 23, 2013, 9:15 #34179

    By jove,by jove what a beautiful day to buy Wenger a one way ticket to Strasbourg,throw him into the back of a 'Van' and cry:''Sorry Arsene,we couldn't find any decent coaches in Alsace to take you home!''

  48. Seven Kings Gooner

    Apr 23, 2013, 8:43 #34178

    Gaz : you are so right, many of our fans will brush off what happened last night without a moments thought. A club reflects their fans ambition and that is why we have won nothing for 8 seasons. The "light & shady brigade" have taken over our club and if you want to spot one, it is easy, these new "Cappuccino Kids" know absolutely rock all about football and are on their mobiles most of the time during the game!!! GRRRRRR

  49. Daniel MK Gooner

    Apr 23, 2013, 8:24 #34177

    I'd almost forgotten the pain what with our exciting annual trophy hunt for 4th place and his lack of recent form but last night really was a kick in the balls. Still at least we can give him a guard of honour. Maybe we could fly Cesc over for the game too - Get him to wave to the fans before the match. I know that would really cheer me up no end!!!

  50. Noz

    Apr 23, 2013, 8:16 #34176

    Dreading Sunday, feel sick thinking about it. Not only the guard of honour and RVP (with whom I have no problems) but the fact Utd will most definately be playing with 'the handbrake' off! Could be a massacre :-(

  51. Gaz

    Apr 23, 2013, 8:09 #34175

    So they give us Mikael Silvestre and we give them Robin Van Persie. Seems like a fair swap to me...

  52. Ronster

    Apr 23, 2013, 7:22 #34174

    ''Arse-ne Wenger,Arse-ne Wenger,were you watching on the box........were you watching on the box!!?''

  53. Gare Kekeke

    Apr 23, 2013, 3:03 #34173

    Well it’s official; Van Persie’s goals have helped Man Utd to another title triumph. Are there still any Wenger apologists who think that Van Persie’s decision to go to Man Utd was purely for money and not to win trophies? And to think one of the regulars on this site said last summer that Man Utd will be our rivals for 4th place. Personally, I have no beef with Van Persie so well done to him on winning the title. Also I will have no problem in our players giving Man Utd a guard of honour before the game. The joke doing the rounds is that Wenger; Gazidis & Kroenke should give the Man Utd players a guard of honour.

  54. JM - LONDON

    Apr 23, 2013, 0:51 #34172

    Saw RVP hat trick at old trafford tonight to win the title for UTD. Gutted, absolutley gutted - how was this allowed to happen?

  55. Highbury Boy

    Apr 23, 2013, 0:03 #34171

    The champagne will be flowing tonight in Denver. Also for Wenger and Gazidis as we all know what extra profits (from the add-on clauses in RVP's transfer) means.......yes,extra bonuses. Another successful season for these guys. I know it's not a popular view but well done RVP;you deserve it and thanks for all you did with us. Just sorry that we couldn't give you team mates up to your standard.

  56. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 22, 2013, 23:34 #34170

    jonnyh, i've been saying the same for ages, that is the height of not only the clubs ambition, but fans as well, finishing above the spuds, sad.

  57. Mandy dodd

    Apr 22, 2013, 23:12 #34169

    Alsace, therein lies the problem, richer clubs realise just how good wenger actually is at coaching such players. Does not work with all of them, but he has done a brilliant job with many players, ultimately to our cost, wenger did not want to sell vp, and certainly not to Utd, he was offered to other teams at a much cheaper price as fergie admitted, but these others were not willing to gamble on him. Vp was aware wenger had every intention of holding him to his contract, why else did he make that statement. He would most likely have taken the Webster route if we had not sold him. The club seriously need to address such issues, lets see what they do.

  58. Gaz

    Apr 22, 2013, 22:32 #34168

    Who wants a poncy title when there's a top four finish on the cards. Really not sure what's worse-the fact we've had to watch our best player from last season celebrating tonight or the fact a lot of fans will brush it all off without a moments thought.

  59. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Apr 22, 2013, 22:27 #34167

    Robin Van Persie has collected a League winners medal this evening. What a pity he wasn't able to do it at Arsenal. A bright shining example of the fact that no player who has serious ambitions to capture silverware, wastes his time being "coached" by Arsene Wenger. May his end as manager be rapid and preferably brutal.

  60. Rollerball

    Apr 22, 2013, 22:22 #34166

    Sagna will be rid of..Song goes to the Spuds..Jack to Bayern? Football isn't about competing anymore geddyt? We're doing project youth MK II next season..

  61. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 22, 2013, 22:13 #34165

    Well done RVP and congratulations on you PL medal and real trophy, enjoy,no matter the in's and out's and circumstances of the move it's proved a wise decision, i'm sure ogl's ego will have been well massaged tonight knowing he had something to do with it.

  62. Big Dave

    Apr 22, 2013, 22:12 #34164

    Well we can all look forward to the Manc's pissing in our face sunday. Arsenal board have no shame or guilt. We should all turn our backs when the team walk out.

  63. johnnyh

    Apr 22, 2013, 22:05 #34163

    wengers traditional end of season top 4 con is well and truly on and we fall for it every year. have us gooners forgotten already about performances like swansea at home in the league or blackburn at home in the cup? what have we become when our only ambition is finishing above spurs? some gooners need a serious reality check,wenger is a busted flush. he built his early successes at the club on george grahams defence and then caught another lucky break when he managed to get sol on a free transfer. he is a tactically clueless con man who wouldnt know a top quality goalkeeper or defender if one landed on top of him. we will never win another trophy with this idiot in charge and to be frank i hope we do not finish in the top 4 because we do not deserve it and if we do then absolutely nothing will change next season or any other until this fool leaves. come on gooners wake up to this chancer and lets get in someone who at least gives us a bit of hope at the begining of next season.

  64. Gooner88

    Apr 22, 2013, 21:58 #34162

    Oh what joy. Mancs win another title off the back of our idiot manager and board selling them our best player. No doubt Terry and the rest of the Arsene is God brigade are looking forward to the guard of honour we will be expected to give. What a disgrace. Still we have our 4th place trophy to go after. Go now Wenger and take the two yanks with ya.

  65. CanadaGooner

    Apr 22, 2013, 21:18 #34161

    @SteveSam; well said. Apparently, Arsenal has so much money, we just dont want to spend? Well, how about NOT selling the useful players we have! RVP has just scored a hat-trick today and like Ashley Cole, will go on to pickup a handful of medals/trophies. The situation at Arsenal is simply LAUGHABLE! We're so good, we can afford to sell our best players...

  66. Gloucester Gooner

    Apr 22, 2013, 20:57 #34160

    How reassuring it is for all of us Arsenal fans to see firstly Manchester City with numerous Arsene picked and trained Arsenal players and now Manchester United win the Premiership with Van Persie's goals. GO Arsene!

  67. Stevesam

    Apr 22, 2013, 20:44 #34159

    I would like to congratulate AW on winning the PL this season, I am sure that SAF shall give him a generous handshake on Sunday. Only a fool would sell the best striker in the PL to Manure. Well done AW & Ivan the Terrible. RVP has been proved correct - no ambition.

  68. Johnc

    Apr 22, 2013, 20:19 #34158

    Just watching Van Persie win the league for Man U. Well done Gazidis, Wenger and Kronke. You've really made us Arsenal fans feel proud.

  69. Gaz

    Apr 22, 2013, 15:38 #34157

    @Jamie: Ten years ago we all used to mock our sperz supporting friends that the difference between them and us is that ultimately we're in the business of winning trophies! So with that in mind it might just be worth thinking about that last post of yours...

  70. Red Member

    Apr 22, 2013, 14:49 #34156

    I think the editor has underestimated Spurs and Chelsea. I would be very surprised if 70 points was enough to reach the top 4 this season

  71. Tim

    Apr 22, 2013, 14:24 #34155

    Simple reality is this: 3 points is all that matters at this point. I really don't care how we got there. The quality of the performance/squad or lack thereof is immaterial right now, it cannot be changed at this point. What matters is getting the most out of the remainder of this season with the players we have at our current manager’s disposal. Yes, there is a lot to complain about and be frustrated by in terms of the bigger picture. But bemoaning a win without quality in the same way you would a loss is counterintuitive and irrational which does not make for the most well reasoned comments. Being happy with an Arsenal win DOES NOT mean that you are simply an AKB and need to be chastised for it. It certainly doesn’t mean that you don’t truly support the club.

  72. JAMIE

    Apr 22, 2013, 13:51 #34154

    Paul,Ron,Danny and Brigham sound like a bunch of Spuds to me.

  73. Brigham

    Apr 22, 2013, 13:21 #34152

    Oh good, Terry tonsils is back! Yes, we are all whingers because we dare to complain and comment on how we have been going backwards for several years. Good luck to all you Wenger believers, you are so caught up in your own bubble you have all forgotten that Arsenal are a football club and not Wengers personal plaything!

  74. Terry

    Apr 22, 2013, 9:50 #34151

    Brigham and all his little whinger mates are all sad laughable people who think because they are anti Wenger they are the only real Arsenal fans.They walk about with all their little cockney fan boy mates telling everybody how they are the life and soul of Arsenal and how they've been following (moaning) about Arsenal since they were 2 and how all the rest are blind because they can't see what they see.'gibba jabba gibba jabba'.

  75. Green Hut

    Apr 22, 2013, 8:42 #34150

    bunch- If the final Champions League place was between just us and Chelsea with tottenham nowhere I would happily lose all our remaining games if it meant Wenger leaving. We need change.

  76. GoonerRon

    Apr 22, 2013, 7:40 #34149

    @ Maguiresbridge - what Gir, Pod and Caz have done is collectively fill the gap of goals that was left by RVP going. Whilst its hard to say we have directly improved as a consequence I'd surprised if many on here predicted these three would all be pushing for 15-20 goals each this season.

  77. billthered

    Apr 22, 2013, 6:59 #34148

    If it was'nt for the champions league forth place trophy what would we have been playing for these past few seasons.I think I preferred it in the eighties and late seventies when we knew Liverpool were to strong for us and would win the league but we could raise our game and sometimes beat them and could have a decent cup run play away somewhere and link up with old gooners and look forward to a semi final away day and possibly wembley, happy days.Now we are a money making machine and I am getting fed up with it but no one will ever take my love of Arsenal away from me.

  78. Gaz

    Apr 22, 2013, 6:56 #34147

    @Stroud Green Road Boy: I think you make a good point about fans losing patience. I certainly have. Thats why I just can't feel any excitement whatsoever regarding this recent run as its all too conviniently 'after we'd gone out of all competitions' to take any real pleasure from it. Also agree about this nonsense that any so-called 'AKB' has only supported the Club since 1996. Of course they haven't. That said I'm genuienly amazed at the staunch support Wenger still recieves from a very large number of supporters. Sadly all we can do is hope this summer brings the real change in transfer activity we've been waiting 5/6 for...

  79. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Apr 22, 2013, 3:18 #34146

    Good gags Jenny! For the record I'd take third, just to see the look on the marketing dept's face when they realise they won't be getting any commission for promoting and selling a non - existent Champ League pre - qualifier at "London's premier events facility". Mert's goal had a flashback feeling for me, a real 1991 set piece special....Davis chips to the far to Bould, who knocks it down for Adams peeling off his marker for a close range headed finish. I have selectively blocked out most of the rest of the match.

  80. bunch

    Apr 22, 2013, 3:11 #34145

    I desperately desire to finish above Tottenham. I'd like to finish above Chelsea as well. So 3 points is to be celebrated. It keeps us above them both for now, and their game in hand is against each other so we would be at least 4th. When you look at City, could they collapse now the title is truly gone. They looked fairly fragile once Spurs went after them yesterday. I couldn't give a stuff about Champions League. People call it a Virtual Trophy. It isn't that. Its just about money. But money is important and things would be a whole lot worse if that money wasn't available. So better to be in it, than not, but there is no glory there. Finishing above rivals, however, gives a modicum of glory, so that is why the 3 points are very welcome.

  81. CanadaGooner

    Apr 22, 2013, 2:01 #34144

    Let's forget about winning a trophy for the time being; Arsenal's next step is to try to close the gap. I must say I'm very surprised Citeh choked today, but the good news is that Spurs will drop several more points and the spurs vs Chelsea game will probably get us safely across the top 4 line. Problem is, with each season we appear worse and if as some say, the prem league has declined, then our progress in the CL will be worse than ever; so, why is qualification our only remaining priority? Wenger and our players need to be set targets for next season (as he wont get fired); win something and compete or clear out (dream on...)

  82. Ronny Gooner

    Apr 22, 2013, 1:44 #34143

    I think you make a very decent point about Arsenal failing to make better use of set plays. The idea that continuing play after a foul reflects very poor decision making on part of the players - not sure if Wenger actually encourages this, or if it's down to the eagerness of the players to get the ball on the floor and continue playing..but it just doesn't make sense. Probably the reason why the likes of Stoke/Norwich have been able to get points off us this season, is because in the marginal 0-0 or 1-0 games where the opposition foul us off the park, playing the ball along the floor immediately after restart offers the opposition the chance to regroup behind the ball and foul us again! I'm all for chucking a huge long ball into the box, and chance that your Stokes and your Norwich's will end up giving away a penalty by fouling us in the box or instead us doing what we did to Fulham this weekend.

  83. AFCasap

    Apr 22, 2013, 0:27 #34141

    will the real ARSENAL FC fans please stop crawling to the arsene fan club supporters to understand...we sit in the same ground....that's all...we have different agendas...AFC first versus we love wenger

  84. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 21, 2013, 23:54 #34140

    Agree with Gare Kekeke, i'm not expecting a massive overhaul in the squad either and i'm certainly not paying any attention to the players we've been linked with, or won't be to others, and any body that has, or does, are going to be disappointed yet again.As Gare says weren't Giroud, Cazorla,Podloski,meant to improve us ? they were talked about as saviors just what we needed,what have they done for us ? they've done exactly what they were bought for to get us our beloved fourth place trophy nothing else,and any signings made in the summer will be bought for exactly the same reason.

  85. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Apr 21, 2013, 23:19 #34139

    @GoonerRon, my comment was in reference to your first comment about people moaning whatever happens. As I say, they've just run out of patience. Job done indeed - but to what end? I don't think that's right that all those still supporting Wenger have only been AFC fans since 1996, however I do think a lot of people's support for AFC has been hollowed out and replaced by a support for Wenger, though they would not see it that way or accept it of course. Not that I think this is the case in your case, though I do think you show remarkable patience. As Green Hut says, aren't we all tired of treading water. I think Wenger continues to make it clear he's not going to change.

  86. Joe S.

    Apr 21, 2013, 22:29 #34138

    Giroud is going to be a HUGE loss next game. The trouble at Arsenal is that if we are being nice, there are too many squad playesrs and not enough quality. Fourth place looks like a dog fight anyway with the Spuds not going away as easily as many of us would like. Could it be Chelsea to fall? If so you can imagine the Russian inflating the market to get his targets and of course beating Arsene Wegner to any player of worth. Of cpourse Arsenal will only be interested in signing super top quality players because we already possess the best mid field in the world etc.

  87. GoonerRon

    Apr 21, 2013, 22:13 #34137

    @ Stroud Green - I did say that and I accept that people want change as is their right, but Brigham saying 'All of you Wenger lovers are just that, followers of the club since 1996 and you need to clearly piss off back to where ever you came from and leave us alone' is out of order and factually incorrect, certainly in my case and I'm sure for other supporters too.

  88. DW Thomas

    Apr 21, 2013, 20:37 #34134

    I think I figured out why RVP left, the reason behind the reason. Our style of play is all teasing with no end product. He simply wanted players of the requisite quality that win championships. Bryan Ruiz simply let Kos go after Fulham had been defending well for quite a long period. Looked like our type of usual defending. We desperately need some true class players, not Wenger's "quality", to help those like Jack and Cazorla. Funny how we were a man up almost all game but our keeper had the harder work!

  89. Green Hut

    Apr 21, 2013, 19:30 #34133

    RJ- Lack of fan pressure means that something bad has to happen before change occurs. The only reason I want us to qualify for the Champions League is to stop tottenham getting an extra £25m for their new stadium as my hatred of them still dwarfs my intense irritation with Wenger. Don't you ever get tired of treading water unnecessarily?

  90. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Apr 21, 2013, 19:27 #34132

    @GoonerRon, you said in the recent article you wrote you understood some people had run out of patience. That's why they're not pleased whatever happens when it's at the end of another nothing season. They just want change.

  91. Gare Kekeke

    Apr 21, 2013, 18:56 #34131

    And another thing I should have mentioned with my earlier post; good to see Walcott in blistering form since he ‘signed da ting’ back in January. Oh wait; he’s shooting blanks since he signed it. Oh well. But my hunch is that Walcott will be back in form come the start of next season to be in England’s World Cup squad..................if they qualify!!

  92. GoonerRon

    Apr 21, 2013, 18:30 #34130

    @ Brigham - your penultimate sentence makes you sound like a subjective moron.

  93. Bard

    Apr 21, 2013, 18:14 #34129

    Poor game but good result. I dont think Giroud will be that much of a loss quite honestly. He may morph into a world beater but at the moment he's nothing more than a squad player. I would imagine the powers that be at the club are bricking it at the moment. Finish outside the top 4 and we will really start to see the club slide. Good players will be difficult to recruit and the stadium might look decidedly empty. Still we have the richest man in Europe in the wings twiddling his fingers.

  94. Mandy dodd

    Apr 21, 2013, 18:04 #34128

    Brigham think you need to take it easy you sound like you are treading a thin line

  95. Brigham

    Apr 21, 2013, 17:56 #34127

    Pauls comments are bang on and we are utterly rubbish at best and how we are in the league position we are only further highlights how crap the Premier League is this season! We have a forward line with the same amount of bite and penetration as a trout with gum disease! A major clearout is required and that should begin at the top. As I type, Spuds have already won well against City and the Chavs have just dropped two points at the end, but be under no illusions, we are utter ****e. All of you Wenger lovers are just that, followers of the club since 1996 and you need to clearly piss off back to where ever you came from and leave us alone. Gazidis out, Kronke Out and most of all WENGER OUT!

  96. Gare Kekeke

    Apr 21, 2013, 16:19 #34126

    Average performance but we got the win and that’s what matters in the end. Personally, I thought the referee got it right on both red cards. Szczesny making two important saves at 0-0 played a massive part in the win. I wonder if he’s still not bothered about keeping clean sheets? Because two shut outs in five days have played a big part in our ‘hope’ of finishing in the top four. I still think we will finish in the top four but even if we do, I don’t expect us to be major players in the European Cup next season seeing as the club’s attitude of being in that competition is purely for financial reasons and nothing else. Anyone who thinks otherwise is clearly deluded. And don’t give me the ‘FFP will save us’ guff either. Clubs will find loopholes. Just ask Man City & PSG. And I’m not expecting a massive overhaul in the squad either. All these players that we have linked with since the end of January is laughable. And even if new blood came in, I’m not convinced it will make a difference either. After all, weren’t Giroud, Cazorla & Podolski meant to improve us? Tottenham’s stunning win against soon-to-be-former-champions Man City should serve as a reminder that our top four ‘chase’ is not going to be easy and Tottenham’s win has proved yet again that spending less than your rivals shouldn’t mean you are guaranteed to lose a game. Just ask Bradford & Blackburn. Up The Arsenal!

  97. AFCasap

    Apr 21, 2013, 16:13 #34125

    4th richest club in the world and we can't compete?...only club with 2 billionaires and we can't compete?...4th highest paid manager in the world and he doesn't want to compete?...however, worlds best ticket prices!! no competition there...this only makes sense to the arsene fan club supporters

  98. Danny

    Apr 21, 2013, 16:02 #34124

    Spurs beat Man city and look much better then the Arsenal We are average at best and how we managed to beat Norwich and Fulham is beyond me. The players we have are small, slow and simply crap. The squad is so thin, and how the manager thinks he going to win a Cup with this lot is a fool We have no chance with United and probably lose at QPR. Get rid of this coach fast!

  99. RJ

    Apr 21, 2013, 15:58 #34123

    @TheoJansen - much more eloquently put than me: WE are not investing wisely - but be sure that without the extra cash of the ECL we will not invest at all. It's a difficult position for us fans to be in. And I would rather ECL because I do not want Thursday and Sunday football next season. As the bloke in front of me said last season "Thursday night football will interfere with my pilates classes". Only at The Emirates! @Jenny - I hope AW has read this post and wheels this out alongside mental strength as to why third is a good place for us to be - your logic is unassailable.

  100. West Upper

    Apr 21, 2013, 15:54 #34122

    Not a great performance but regardless of where we end the season it's a decent 3 points away from home. The general complaint is that we don't take 3 points often enough when we aren't at our best so the result should be applauded

  101. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 21, 2013, 15:02 #34121

    It was another Lacklustre display, one of many this season just doing enough and no more,as the tired old saying goes the points were all that mattered at this stage of the season as we find ourselves back in our favorite position of scraping for fourth.A bad tackle indeed from Sidwell a real leg/ankle breaker, very fortunate considering our record for breaks.Giroud picks up a three match ban for his, but he'll not be particularly missed,i agree the 100k a week man will probably get the nod and another chance to try and convince us he's worth the dough.Yes the good old fashioned set piece for the goal there's not half enough of them.Szczesny done his best to give a goal away with his favorite party piece of palming it back to the striker after a save (he hasn't learned much,what do these keeper coaches actually do ? )but the linesman came to the rescue again, but it was offside.Like i've said we're back in our favorite position and we can't blow this one can we ? after all this is the most important trophy.But you can be sure there's still a few twists and turns left yet.If and when Wengers objective for the season is reached he will certainly feel vindicated alright with a smile like a Cheshire cat as will fans, even though yet again we remain potless.

  102. GoonerRon

    Apr 21, 2013, 14:03 #34120

    If we play well and don't win people moan. If we play below par and win people moan. So presumably we need to play brilliantly and win every game to please some people? It's all about results, 3 points on the bag = job done.

  103. Charles

    Apr 21, 2013, 13:16 #34119

    Well done Arsenal for getting the 3 points in the bag. Someone please teach the goalie how to hold onto a shot instead of always pushing it back into the danger area and don't let Cazorla take any more corners.

  104. Theo Jensen

    Apr 21, 2013, 12:28 #34118

    @RJ "we can't compete with the cash we have at the moment." Have you seen the performances in Europe of English teams the last two seasons? This is the weakest the league has been for years, it's that the money available is not invested properly that we have also seen a decline.

  105. Jenny

    Apr 21, 2013, 12:27 #34117

    Would you rather Arsenal finished 2nd 3rd 4th or 5th.My preference would be 3rd as 3 is my lucky number and my pet cat Cuddles is also 3 years old.What about you guys.

  106. Site Moderator

    Apr 21, 2013, 11:42 #34116

    Darren's comment has been removed after RJ had pointed out it had been copied from Arseblog. Please post your own thoughts or at least give credit where applicable.

  107. RJ

    Apr 21, 2013, 11:31 #34115

    @darren - wow man that is almost word for word what arseblog wrote about the game this morning. I am surprised such a great blogger as arseblog has resorted to copying verbatim from online gooner comments. Still times are tough. You knob. Didn't see the game but it amuses me that the "fans" would rather see arsenal lose than win. What is the point of being in the ecl? Cash. We can't compete with the cash we have at the moment. If we drop out of the places we are doomed to Liverpool style wilderness. I have said before I think Wenger should have gone after the Bradford debacle butnfairmplay to him he has dragged this average squad close to the achievement of a seat at the ecl table. Change is needed but I would rather that change comes forma position of strength

  108. N4

    Apr 21, 2013, 11:28 #34114

    Paul above sums it up for me and agree with him totally. I most that Giroud is not a VP but maybe he would have scored a few if good crosses from the right (i.e. Sagna) was doing a good job. He was crossing balls like I would in a 7 a side pitch....very poor!!! What's the point of tippy tappy when instead of going forward we go backward. We need Fabregas back as I don't really know what football do we play these days. Yes we won 3 points but we were sh*t! When it comes to watching a winning frustrating football team... Arsenal come top!! It's funny that Wenger did not come up with the usual mental spirit etc...BS! The scary thing is nothing will change next season!

  109. Seven Kings Gooner

    Apr 21, 2013, 10:53 #34113

    We were very poor yesterday, Giroud reminds me of Alan Skirton (without Skirton's knack of scoring goals of his backside!)The midweek game did take a lot from us as Everton's loss at Sunderland testifies. If people must get involved with this finishing in the top 4 nonsense, then Chelsea easily have the best players and will finish third and if the third Welsh team in the Premier League, Tottenham, keep Bale fit then we will have Thursday night football at the Emir*tes. As usual I'm with Ron on all this, him & I are old school, games should kick off at 3.00pm on a Saturday, semi finals at a neutral ground and only the champions get into the Champions League. Bring back the Cup Winners Cup and the Fairs Cup and fourth place will then most definitely not be a trophy. In addition I should never have to pay any more than £25 to watch any game involving Arsenal, home or away. When all those things happen and the team has 7 real men in the squad. (Jack & Jenkinson accepted)I'll start turning up again.

  110. Paul

    Apr 21, 2013, 10:35 #34112

    Bottom line... 3 points is all that matters. Peformances can wait to next season. why there is such vitriol in winning ugly is bizarre... Man U have done that for years. I would take that every week. This is a results game.

  111. Ron

    Apr 21, 2013, 9:58 #34111

    They were rubbish yesterday. 3pts largely down to luck. 4th,5th 6th or whatever, that CL'chase' is a fake, tedious substitute for football glory and credibility. Arsenal and Tottenham esp, but no Club from that piss poor Prem Lge is going to win it for years. What's the point of being in it to make the numbers up? The CL needs taking back to its origins ie Champions only get in it. That way, winning the Title means something again. As it is now, Clubs like Arsenal aren't interested in actually being top dogs, because to get there a Club has to spend to span the 4th to top bridge but the end result is the same i.e a CL place, so why bother? Those people in Club Level have seen the light and realise the cost of the Season tickets up there is a farce and a rip off. Its about time they realised too! Fair play to them.

  112. chris

    Apr 21, 2013, 9:02 #34110

    If Spurs win today, they'll have 61 points and 4 games they will feel they should win left out of five. If Chelsea win today, they'll have 64 points and although they'll have five difficult games, with trying to win the Europa League (which Benitez may prioritise, secretly or otherwise) sandwiched in between, they will still be favourites in all those difficult games. Even with run-in nerves and fixture congestion and the possibility that Bale might not be quite a good straight away after his injury, I think that if both teams win today, Chelsea will be red-hot favourites to get more than 70 points (and probably 74-75) and Spurs will be likely to get about 70-72. Apart from showing just how important it is (for Arsenal) that Spurs and Chelsea don't win today, I don't think you should assume 70 points is safe for Top4 at all. Having said that, Arsenal actually have 63 points and assuming they can overcome QPR away (a game that appears to be arriving at exactly the right time, with the Harry fighting spirit "bounce" being slowly swamped with poor form and the negative effect of already having been relegated not being very good and players wondering about their futures), they have three winnable games that I would expect them to get 4-7 points in - so with GD being so much better than Bale, Top 4 looks pretty likely, really. In my opinion, Spurs are quite likely to get 71 points and Chelsea 72

  113. Paul

    Apr 21, 2013, 8:57 #34109

    You are too kind Kev.That performance stank the house out.Full of players who played as though the game didnt matter i exempt Szczesny Mert and Kos from that.Giroud like Gervinho last season has been a poor signing.ONE league goal away from home is a shocking statistic for an Arsenal centre forward.Walcott as predicted has got his £100k a week contract and has reverted to his form of the last 7 season.He was up against Kiran Richardson a converted LB yet didnt get passed him once.Oh well only another 5 years of him trying to beat a LB with skill.What was shocking yesterday was the failure to try and score a second goal and kill the game off.We must have beaten the world record for square passes.My fear and the fear of other Gooners is that Wenger will look at a 4th place finish as a vindication of his methods and will keep faith in this bunch of players.Today it is announced that Alisher Usmanov is Britain's richest man £4 billion richer than Abramovich.Yet our board refuses to give him a seat on the board even though he owns 30% of the shares.Talk about cutting your nose to spite your face.Next sunday we will either have to give Utd a guard of honour or see Utd win the title on our pitch.That would be fitting after we sold them our best player for a pittance

  114. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Apr 21, 2013, 8:26 #34108

    Ian Wright summed it up last week. Fourth place is only not papering over the cracks if he actually spends the money available to him..If it's samo old Wenger then we might as well finish eighth. Having said that getting,what is surely our worst squad since the mid eighties ,into Europe is a minor miracle. Let's face it some of these players really are p*ss poor. Though it probably is a reflection on the very average teams in the Premier league.