So Farewell Wigan

Online Ed: Job done in final home game of the season



So Farewell Wigan


For the first period of last night’s encounter with Wigan, it looked like Arsenal might be in for a comfortable evening. A fairly early goal to settle the nerves, and a few chances. Then, for some reason, the team transformed and until half time could not seem to be able to string two passes together. It was a worrying sign. The home side looked like they were on the ropes against a team staring relegation in the face. I’ve not seen any of the match on TV, but the free kick given by Mike Dean was apparently a soft one. However, given the balance of play over the duration of the first half, I would have to say that Wigan probably deserved to go in level. As for Mike Dean, I have an idea the Gunners’ record when he officiates is pretty poor. I never like to see him given charge of Arsenal matches.

Now granted, Wigan were tired. But even so, given Sunderland’s far superior goal difference, a draw was not good enough. However, their early second half timewasting tactics mystified me. Better surely to go for it and if successful in taking a lead, then eat the clock. But maybe fatigue had got to them already, who knows? Even so, a key Szczesny save from Kone early in the second half made life less stressful than it might have been. As the game wore on, the visitors had trouble living with Arsenal and especially Walcott, who had an excellent game apart from a couple of offsides. The Gunners’ second goal was a thing of beauty in its creation. One positive about last night’s performance was that there did seem to be more drive and use of the flanks. This is how Arsenal should play. More attack and less Arteta. Once a move goes through the Spanish number 8, the metaphorical handbrake is on. Having said that, his defensive contribution might well be missed if he does not recover by Sunday. I think he will play.

When Podolski’s expertly finished second goal went in, the writing was on the wall. Wigan had nothing left to give. Roberto Martinez stood getting soaked on the edge of the touchline for the duration of the match and fair play to him. However, the previous 36 matches have been what put them in this position. Wigan have done well on their resources to remain in the top flight for so long, but one wonders if they will be back anytime soon.

Aaron Ramsey had spent large parts of the second half giving the ball away, but he salavaged his evening with the fourth and final goal. The 4-1 scoreline, according to the radio, means that, were Arsenal to win and Chelsea draw on Sunday, there might be a play-off for third spot, depending on the goals scored. One imagines it would be a one-off game at a neutral venue. Still, just winning is all that we should worry about for now. I am fairly certain that both Chelsea and Spurs will gain three points on Sunday, so it is all in Arsenal’s hands. Giroud is back, and he was missed against Man United and QPR, although less so last night. For me, it’s an impossible one to predict. Sure, Newcastle are on the beach, but Alan Pardew and Arsenal have plenty of history, so the Toon manager will be pumping up his players to deny the visitors any points.

It was job done against Wigan, as I expected it to be, even if for a time Arsenal made hard work of it. On Sunday, they need to be disciplined, demonstrate their experience and play to the levels they are capable of and which we have not seen very often this season. It won’t be a triumph to finish so far behind the champions, but Champions League qualification (even if an August qualifier is required) would mean there is no reason the club cannot spend large on genuine quality in the summer, as is desperately needed.

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  1. Jason B

    May 17, 2013, 23:50 #34957

    From silverware to cupboard bare.The rise and fall of Arsene Wenger.From the most successful over the first 8 years to the least successful over the following 9 years.

  2. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 17, 2013, 18:23 #34953

    Yes Ron, that's him alright, he could make having diarrhoea sound exciting,and the countdown clock with a reporter and camera outside every ground with fans crowded around waiting for news and in anticipation of the big arrivals that never arrive.And once it clicks on 12 they even have Big Ben chiming like it was new year to sound the end. And yes Merse and Thompson are still there along with a couple of others and no doubt will be in the studio on Sunday along with host Jeff Stelling, having a competition to see who can say the most stupidest things,and shout the loudest and drown each other out when ever a goal is scored.

  3. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    May 17, 2013, 17:37 #34952

    Paul, Do you remember the song we used to sing about Didier Drogba being a disgrace? OGL's name can be nicely slotted in there and it is my hope that the AMG's will grow a pair next season and start singing it.

  4. Ron

    May 17, 2013, 16:51 #34951

    maguires...g - Yes pal. Can just see it. Is that the white haired bloke on Sky? I gave SKY up over 2 years ago now. If its him and that 'countdown clock' thing he used to do, i could have booted the TV in listening to that garbage. It smacks of everything that footballs become since it sold itself to the Yankie style TV drivel concept that now dictates every thing that moves in the 'game'. Cameras stuffed in guys faces for the sound bite, all sorts of presenter muppets and 'pundits' offering their awful, same every week input, 'breaking news' when a player as much as farts and 'super sunday' garbage etc etc. Atrocious mate. They say cash has ruined football and it has to a great degree, but the type of media coverage that comes with that cash is a bigger ruination of it. Lets face it, you wouldnt employ Paul Merson to wash your car would you or Houlliers barking dog, Thompson (is he still on it?)

  5. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 17, 2013, 16:05 #34950

    Tony Evans, Ron, you can just see all the optimists glued to sky news at 11.55pm on deadline day still waiting for Jim White to shout, and we're off to the emirates, for the big announcement of the star player and big acquisition only to be disappointed yet again, blind optimism indeed.

  6. Tony Evans

    May 17, 2013, 14:29 #34945

    Ron - As you say back in 2008 two or three decent signings could have made such a difference. Galling to think of what might have been; instead the team has been allowed to wither on the vine and nothing short of major surgery is required now.

  7. Ron

    May 17, 2013, 14:20 #34944

    Tony - Yes, End of 2007/08 and into 08/09 i reckon. That was the first period 'bottling it' became the norm at the Club for me and was then that squad needed gutting to a large extent and Wengers demeanour and body language then suggested to me he was spent. Would have been far cheaper to do then than the astronomical cost it take would now. He had the frame of a good team still and 2 - 3 real players max (inc a goalie) could have made such a difference.

  8. Tony Evans

    May 17, 2013, 13:31 #34942

    Ron - I just about remember when I used to be optimistic about the prospect of decent, squad enhancing summer transfer dealings - I think the penny dropped in about 2009 and probably did for you too!

  9. Ron

    May 17, 2013, 13:13 #34941

    Tony - Its called blind optimism mate. Lets face it, we ve all been there until daylight eventually dawns!

  10. Tony Evans

    May 17, 2013, 12:38 #34940

    I can't believe there is anyone left that thinks Wenger will spend large amounts of money this summer. Why would he? He will never want to undermine his cushy position by spending big and thus putting pressure on himself to actually win anything. He is obviously under no pressure from above, as long as he achieves at least 4th, so why would he risk it? The lack of ambition shown by both Wenger and the board is shocking and it is not going to change anytime soon, especially if the weekend results in yet another 4th place trophy.

  11. The Noise

    May 17, 2013, 12:35 #34939

    Under 21? CHECK Unproved, even in the top French league? CHECK Just come back from a long term injury? CHECK On a free? CHECK No one has ever heard of him? CHECK Most probably going to make 5 League Cup appearances in his entire time at Arsenal? CHECK Welcome aboard the Conley Crèche Yaya Sanogo. Where you're made up now for at least 5 years and **** all is expected of you... Well, perhaps top 4 when the going gets a little tough... But that can wait until next March when we're out of all those pesky cup competitions that keep getting in the way!

  12. Bonjour

    May 17, 2013, 12:32 #34938

    Bonjour tout le monde zis is arsene here. so you see i have bought another young cheap asset, sorry i mean young new player, who i will train up and sell for a £15m profit in 3 years, sorry i mean who will have real impact for the club next season

  13. Charles Spurgeon

    May 17, 2013, 11:37 #34937

    Can only be optomistic for next season think this team is on the verge of greatness.Feel sorry for those who choked and gave up their season ticket,will be a long wait to get it back.

  14. nilz21

    May 17, 2013, 11:24 #34936

    @ Iron striker - you forgot to mention he FREE and been out injured for a year. Ligue 1 is bad enough quality wise.. giroud, chamakh, park and Gervinho scored for fun in that pony league but ligue 2 ??? auxurre are 7th !! . Is this what we can expect with the money pouring in from sponsorship deals ?? Buys like this will definitely lift the fans and make the football world stand up and take notice..that arsenal mean business.

  15. Iron striker

    May 17, 2013, 11:18 #34935

    Good to see Arsene is using those new mammoth commercial deals to strengthen us, and strike while the iron is hot to catch the Manchester clubs cold! Yes! We have signed...YAYA SANOGO. 20 year old French-Arican rubbish from the French Ligue 2. AMAZING. That God for those new sponsorhsip deals!!!

  16. Stevesam

    May 17, 2013, 9:45 #34934

    I am surprised that Chesney did not get any criticism for gifting Wigan their goal. Not a brilliant free kick which lacked power. Chesney got a hand to the ball but palmed it in. We shall not progress next season without buying a ‘top,top’ keeper. Despite Mike Dean’s best endeavours we still managed to win, is there a more biased ref in the PL ? We have played 37 games and lost 7, some may say this is a reasonable return with a shallow depth of squad. I believe we would have converted some of those losses and draws into wins with a World Class keeper, only AW to blame. The Ramsey haters have returned after an average performance by his recent improved standards when fully deserving the player of the month award. It’s strange that those who cannot see any other than Rambo do not provide any alternative. Most of those in the stadium and that attend matches were pleased to see him score a fine goal. Every team needs a ‘ water carrier’ and Rambo at present does this job well. Remember we do not need any new signings as Park,Denilson, Djourou and Bendtner could be coming back and Diaby shall be like a new signing. Look forward to the summer sales to balance the books and pay for the deadwood wages.

  17. Carl Rawley

    May 16, 2013, 20:26 #34933

    I feel very optomistic about the future.With the brilliant squad Wenger is ammassing and our new spending power,I can see the title or the champions league at the Emerites next season.Carzorla,Walcott,Koscleiny,Wilshire and Podolski have all shown what world class players they are and with a couple of big aquisitions in the summer a proven goalscorer and a dominant defensive midfielder the world is our oyster.Lets hope the board gets Arsene signed up quickly on another long term contract before the likes of PSG come calling.

  18. The Noise

    May 16, 2013, 19:44 #34932

    Terry... If these Gooners on here you dubbed 'cowards' only support the team for trophies, then surely they would have up sticks by now and gone support Man Yoo or Chavs? Moronic assumption, but thank you for showing your true IQ levels for all the world to see.

  19. CanadaGooner

    May 16, 2013, 19:29 #34931

    Arsenal will win 1 trophy next season as Wenger will do exactly the same thing Walcott did, to get his contract extended. CLEAR OUT SOME SPACE IN THAT DUSTY TROPHY CABINET BOYS!!

  20. Ron

    May 16, 2013, 18:56 #34930

    Guildford G - Ive said the very same myself mate. With much sadness i have to proclaim Ian Ure was better!!He at least attacked the ball (the most basic element of CB play) and wasn't wary of heading the damn thing. I can't believe how PM holds down a job at times. Truly.

  21. Guildford Gooner

    May 16, 2013, 17:48 #34929

    Ian Ure,I remember watching him play.Don't you think Per Mertesacker is a dead ringer,could be his long lost son?

  22. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 16, 2013, 16:43 #34928

    As an Arsenal fan you really think you've heard it all over the years, then up pops JAMIE.

  23. fanboy

    May 16, 2013, 16:31 #34927

    Wenger no.1 manager Gervinho no.1# star player, Terry, Jamie true fans. Rest of you support Tottenham!

  24. Canterbury Gooner

    May 16, 2013, 16:31 #34926

    @Economic Formula and NOT football tactics- that's a common misconception though. The club has an operating loss of over £30m because of the money wasted on deadwood players. It's been between £20-30m for the last four years. He has to sell the best players just to break even each year. Even from a financial point of view Wenger is out of his depth.

  25. Economic Formula and NOT football tactics

    May 16, 2013, 16:23 #34925

    Wenger is intelligent and has hit on a formula which the club love and the 75% of the fans hate. try to buy cheap young talent; nurture through to the age where they are about to peak for 4 years; then sell on at a tremendous profit; he is smart enough to keep the playing level so we are in the top 4/5 but it is never actually strong enough to win a trophy. or more to the point would he ever risk all full of passion and put out best best team all guns blazing to win that trophy i.e. ZERO PASSION. thanks to this formula the club is on a great footing financially and 75% of the fans are bored out of their wits watching arsenal teams that could not lace the boots of the teams from 1986 GG to about 2007. this is why our manager does not mix with any other football people. no friends who are other managers. a loner. a scrooge

  26. Ron

    May 16, 2013, 16:00 #34924

    billthered - Hmm, matey i can recall Billy Wright telling us that signing Ian Ure was the real deal and would bolster that sieve we had for a defence then!! Good old Ian. He just opened it up some more! Reckon that was a bit of 60s style 'spin' dont you? Take your point though. Its the cost we pay for the spin and boll--x now that creates the ill will as you say.

  27. Ron

    May 16, 2013, 15:48 #34923

    Jamie - I xcan undresand why your a supporter of the prsesnt status quo at the Club. Your views are as arrogant as ever Wenger could be! So, to be clear on this, youre of the view are you that when Clubs like United go for the FAC and League Cup when the Title eludes them for a few years and Chelsea give their all when the CL eludes them, that Arsenal are above all that and instead creating teams that wont ever get a sniff of either Title or CL is the way forward while ignoring everything else? Your posts are always borderline barmy, but your latest inane offering truly takes the biscuit!

  28. billthered

    May 16, 2013, 15:44 #34922

    Please boys do not argue we all want what's best for OUR CLUB and no one jumps higher than me or my son when we score but something we all must agree on is all is not right with the running of the club.First and foremost is the fact is, we are supposed to be a football club not a shop where we buy cheap and sell to our competitors to make them bigger and better.I can probably go back further than most 1961 to be exact and have seen my share of crap but I did not get ripped with the price of my ticket then and was not sold a load of spin about competing with top clubs etc.This is unfortunatly my last as a season ticket holder and will go to a few away games next season as it is usually a much better atmosphere among fans.Lastly a few of my Chelski supporting friends have been texting me about last nights win and my response is I hope you win it again next season you have my permission to use that answer.

  29. Carlos

    May 16, 2013, 15:28 #34921

    I don't understand this either / or argument regarding winning cups or winning the Premier league and the CL. The fact is that for a good while now we haven't come close to winning anything. What's more, the aim of being in the CL, we are told, is that we are able to keep our best players and attract "top" players from elsewhere. I see little evidence of this.

  30. Tony Evans

    May 16, 2013, 14:57 #34920

    Rocky RIP - Some good points made and I can understand why you make them. The example you give about finding fault with even a 5-0 win is a good one for me to use to explain our differences. The odd 5-0 win under Wenger would give me no pleasure at all because it is a result that keeps the pressure off of him. The club will continue to decline in terms of trophies and competing for all trophies effectively until Wenger leaves (in my opinion) and any result that helps keep him at the club is not something to be celebrated as far as I am concerned. I gave up my season ticket because of this and will not be returning until Wenger has gone. I hate having to be like this but I know Arsenal will be the better for Wenger leaving and I am sure you can see where I coming from on this. It is just about impossible to be positive about Arsenal under Wenger if you look at the long term view and the decline he has presided over since 2006. I don't see the point of judging Arsenal on a match by match basis because in any season there will be some good performances (even with this sorry shower of a team) but can understand those that do, although I wish more could see beyond the next match and vote with their feet to send a message loud and clear that we have had enough of this rubbish.

  31. Brigham

    May 16, 2013, 13:47 #34919

    Rocky, some very good points made in your last post and trust me, I have not been moaning since 1969. Maybe since 2008-9 time! lol ;)

  32. ATID

    May 16, 2013, 13:41 #34918

    It certainly isn't all doom and gloom. A play off game against Chelsea would be an unlikely bonus and absolutely hilarious if held at White Hart Lane.

  33. Rocky RIP

    May 16, 2013, 13:20 #34917

    There seems to be plenty of 'I'm a better fan than you' going on. In my opinion, just because someone is critical of the club and can see through stuff that's going on with rip off prices, selling our best players, etc, it doesn't make them a 'bad fan'. Far from it. People at the BSM, for example, are massive fans and love the club. Which is why they are prepared to speak up. Blind loyalty doesn't make you a better fan. I see Arsenal as a child which you love unconditionally, but some tough love is needed sometimes, as you want what's best for it. Staying silent if you see a problem is not helpful as a fan. HOWEVER, what I have a problem with is the continual and unrelenting negativity among our fanbase. Particularly on here. If there's a negative angle to find in a 5-0 win, certain people on here will find it. Longevity of support counts for little as far as I'm concerned if you've been moaning solidly all those years. A fan since the 50s? So what if that person has done little but complain since 1956? Also, ask yourself what the atmosphere in the ground would be like if there were 57,000 versions of you in there. Then you'll get a clue as to how much support you offer the team on the pitch. (The key word being 'support'.)

  34. danluvsafc

    May 16, 2013, 12:55 #34916

    OMG @ Jamie.Are you by any chance related to Wenger or Gazidis or even are them using a different alias!!!!.You are so much in denial that its embarrasing.How can you even come to rubbish Chelseas recent trophy haul as small trophies when all we seem to manage is to squeeze into fourth place every season.Its fans like you that Gazidis and co pray on and push all there so spin doctorish nonsence too.The words "sheep" or "cult" seem to spring to mind!!!

  35. Wenger's Bank Balance

    May 16, 2013, 12:52 #34915

    Lee/Danny/Terry - the 'My country, right or wrong' argument is for fools. The anti-Wenger and anti-where we are now posts do not mean the authors are anti-Arsenal. Far from it, in fact.

  36. Tony Evans

    May 16, 2013, 12:51 #34914

    Brigham - I almost go as far back with Arsenal as you (have supported since 1970) and it is not worth letting the likes of Terry and Jamie wind you up. You are quite obviously the real fan that cares deeply about the club and don't need to justify yourself to them. Any so called supporter that is prepared to simply watch a team they supposedly adore drift aimlessly backwards, under a manager and board that put profit and self interest before competing for real trophies, can not have Arsenal's best interests at heart.

  37. CanadaGooner

    May 16, 2013, 12:36 #34913

    Gooners, there's no need for the exchange of abuse and major divide on this site. If you each take egos out of the way, you'll see you're all saying pretty much the same thing. After 8 years of winning nothing, the stadium still has a fairly high attendance each game, I still make my 9 hour flight home 4 times each year to watch Arsenal and most of you still care enough about the club to come on onlinegooner to express your views, be it positive or negative. We are all gooners! Seeing other teams win all those trophies (32+) over those 8 years must hurt any gooner; with teams like Wigan, Portsmouth, Swansea, Birmingham and even Spurs, all winning at least a trophy in the past 8 seasons and Chelsea, Man Utd, Citeh and even Liverpool raking in multiple trophies has to be embarrassing if nothing else. But all that said, some gooners wish to give credit to our consistency in qualifying for the CL every season over the last 16 years and with the way we've been playing in recent years, it is indeed surprising and teams like spurs, Everton and Liverpool must wonder how they haven't been able to make the CL more often. Let's face it, Man Utdare the only team out there as far as winning the league in the premier league era goes, and arsenal could have closed the gap, but someone at the club wasn't interested. The club needs change and we need to move on and be more competitive. Will that happen with the current ownership and manager? That's the question. Stop wasting your time exchanging abuse on onlinegooner, let's debate the real issues.

  38. JAMIE

    May 16, 2013, 12:19 #34912

    Europa,Capital One and now the FA Cup(remember Wigan won it)are rubbish competitions these days.Eufa/Fairs Cup were massive up to the 90's.The Eufa used to be harder to win than the European because of the amount of top sides from Italy,England,Spain and Germany.The ECWC was also a top notch competition.The League cup also was a top cup up until the late 90's.The F.A cup was as good as winning the league up until around the time Manure pulled out and it used to attract far bigger crowds than the league games did.Times change and it's Champions league and Premiership that are the main two to go for for a club of Arsenal's status.I'm not interested in collecting penny pendants like Chelsea,I'm also aware that winning the title is difficult while competing with money bags sides like City,Chelsea and Manure while paying off a new stadium but now money is available I expect us over the next few years to compete for both Premiership and Champions League regularly.I would also trust those in charge of Arsenal far more than I would those who run the other big English clubs.

  39. Ealing Gooner

    May 16, 2013, 11:40 #34911

    @JAMIE, I totally agree with you, if we hadn't entered those small cups this season, we would definitely have beaten Bayern, Juventus, Barcelona, and Dortmund to win the Champions League and we would have stormed to the league title by 20 points. In fact, we should start a campaign to remove these small cups (10 FA Cups, 2 League Cups, 2 European trophies) from the trophy ring around the stadium, maybe we could replace them with the Emirates Cup?

  40. DNA

    May 16, 2013, 11:08 #34910

    The club is in consistant annual decline as a sporting entity that actually competes within its sport. but the club is solid and on the up as a financial entity.. The DNA has long been sold down the river by Wenger and the board post David Dein and will never ever return to former glory now

  41. Bard

    May 16, 2013, 11:03 #34909

    Terry and co. Yes there's a lot of negativity on this site but its because people care and are frustrated about where the club is going. Blind faith is stupidity wrapped up in a cloak of so called loyalty. It is incontrovertible that the club are going backwards. I for one couldn't careless if we don't win a trophy provided the team and manager sweat blood for the cause. They don't and haven't hence Bradfors and Blackburn.

  42. Brigham

    May 16, 2013, 10:50 #34908

    Terry, how dare you call me a coward and no way a true Arsenal fan. You do not know me at all and I take exception at your utter tosh. For your information, I have been a Gooner since my dad first took me in 1969, followed the team home, away and in Europe and been a season ticket holder for many years. Who are you to judge me because my opinion of what is happening at the club differs from yours? Who do you really think you are? You call yourself a real fan? I have a feeling it is YOU who is the 'fanboy' and another who thinks only his opinion counts. I am NOT a whinger at all, just heartily sick of watching the club I have followed since a young boy being dragged along with very little direction right now. It is not just the lack of trophies, it is the lies and spin we (fans) are constantly given by the board and manager. Are you really that blind to be taken in by it all?

  43. Gaz

    May 16, 2013, 10:49 #34907

    @Terry: Your 'coward' jibe is quite pathetic but if we're going to band that phrase around I'd say its far more applicable to the likes of you who sit on their hands accepting any old bul**** and can't see the difference between supporting the Club and supporting the manager. I'll be blunt-you're wishy-washy 'support' where nothings ever wrong is a far bigger danger to the future of this club than the likes of Ron,TE,CG,Brigham,sgrb and the like.

  44. Terry

    May 16, 2013, 10:23 #34906

    Nice one Rocky RIP these so called Gooners like Paul,TE,CG,Brigham,sgrb and the rest of the negative whingers on here are no way true Arsenal fans they are cowards who can only get behind a team winning trophies and who think their above the real fans who they look down on calling them AKB's.They would really be better of supporting the tory boys of Chelsea or one of the manc rabble.

  45. Rocky RIP

    May 16, 2013, 10:05 #34905

    @Danny @LeeAFC - I stopped coming on this site a few months ago as I was exhausted by the negativity from the same poeple week after week, whatever the result/performance. They say the same things, irrespective of anything else. I just popped back on to see if anything had changed, but no. Same chunterings. We want what's best for Arsenal and I know plenty isn't right at the moment (especially with our owner), but I seriously don't know why some people bother. They obviously don't like Arsenal and will moan forever.

  46. JAMIE

    May 16, 2013, 9:45 #34904

    How can anybody celebrate winning such a meaningless trophy as the Europa cup.The Wenger out folk are the ones who are holding this club back insisting that we concentrate on the small cups.If we hadn't of wasted our resources this year in the WOB cups we would have got further in the Champs league and be higher in the table,that bit of extra energy would have got us past Bayern.Wengers philosophy was always Premiership and Champions league but you whingers wanting short term success have weakened us in our pursuit in recent years insisting on not using the squad in the smaller competitions.YOUR TO BLAME.

  47. Poor Ashley

    May 16, 2013, 9:25 #34903

    I feel so sorry for Ashley Cole dont you ? yet another year where he has missed out on the 4th placed trophy. i think he will leave or ask for more money

  48. Ronster

    May 16, 2013, 9:23 #34902

    Mike...Wenger had that second chance in 2000...in fact he's had 24 chances to win in Europe with Monaco and Arsenal!

  49. Mike

    May 16, 2013, 9:16 #34901

    Weren't Chelsea in that competition because they failed in the qualifying rounds of the UEFA cup - they kind of got a second chance by going to another competition or should that not be a factor here?

  50. winning mentality from top to bottom

    May 16, 2013, 8:34 #34900

    chelsea

  51. Posh Gooner

    May 16, 2013, 7:36 #34899

    The AKB's will bury their heads in the sand today as another London club wins another European trophy because their leader Wenger doesnt do trophies they are old hat.Its all about finishing 4th dont you know.All together now "Small team in Fulham you're just a small team in Fulham"

  52. Jude

    May 15, 2013, 23:09 #34898

    Thank you for finally acknowledging how poor Ramsey was overall. For some reason, his work rate and goal (on a shot from a terrible angle given Theo and Lukas were both open for a tap in) seems to erase all the wayward passing and giveaways from the memories of his die hard supporters. I saw a headless chicken slipping all over the pitch. We need our skillful players, Cazorla and Rosicky, on the ball. The less Ramsey’s on the ball, the better. How he was our player of the month, I’ll never know. Based upon what exactly? I suppose a confident rubbish player is better than a rubbish player with no confidence going into St. James’. Come on Arsenal.

  53. lee afc

    May 15, 2013, 22:48 #34897

    well done PAUL......yet another couple of your negative, pathetic, anti ARSENAL comments......please, please go away and never come back because you are summing up what is totally wrong with being a gooner these days. Pretty much all season you have knocked the living daylights out of the club that I will run through a brick wall for.

  54. Its all about winning trophies

    May 15, 2013, 22:44 #34896

    Wenger should resign after the final whistle on sunday whether we get 4th or now.Chelsea have just won their 11th TROPHY since 2004.We are now a laughing stock.Under club and a manager who would rather win the Mythical 4th place TROPHY rather than a real TROPHY.Lee Dixon tweeted today that football is all about winning tropies not profits he is so right.Wenger OUT now

  55. GoonerRon

    May 15, 2013, 21:40 #34895

    @ Chris Rocka - if anyone has embarrassed themselves I suspect it's you. Your lack of class is laughable - "anything else you come up with now is to be mocked" - you come across as seriously arrogant. I wasn't disputing we have cash to spend, I was disputing whether every penny of the £123m cash at the bank was available to spend on players as we would have other operating costs to pay from that money too. And taking criticism about my grasp of finances by someone using terms like "these are the leftovers in a company's accounts after all dealings" is a bit galling I must admit. As for comparing our trophy count against those other selected clubs, why does your barometer go back just 8 years? Could it be because it proves an argument for you? Why not go back 10 years, or 15 or since Wenger came to the club? Of course you wouldn't as it wouldn't go with your agenda. As regards Giroud, I don't need to 'try again' as the point I made earlier still stands. I'm not debating that those players all cost less than Giroud and outscored him, but why choose those players to compare against? Again, because it fits your agenda. Why not compare him to Tevez who cost twice as much and gets paid 4 times as much, or Torres who cost 4 times as much and get paid 4 times as much yet haven't outscored him? I'm not saying Giroud has been brilliant this season - although in my view 17 goals and 11 assists is a good return - I just feel your comparison to those specific players is again to only fuel your argument against Wenger and lacks balance. As for next year, neither of us know what will happen and whether we will spend then go on to compete. What I do know is this summer is different to previous years on the basis we have unlocked more commerical value from our deals which simply hasn't been possible up to now. The club has always said that to be self-sustaining we primarily rely on TV money, gate receipts and commercial revenue to drive income - if one of those three increases significantly (relative to other clubs) then it stands to reason we have more to spend on players. We will only know next year whether that is 'blusterous b*****' or not.

  56. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    May 15, 2013, 20:37 #34894

    Well I enjoyed the match. I understand why people think that losing will force the issue with Wenger but I can't wish us to finish below the filth. Top four or not, we need 4 world class players down the spine of the team to start moving forward again. Who knows if we buy them. Last night I thought Gibbs and kos were supurb. Ramsey had his best game of the season but he was still appalling. If he's player of the month we really are in the sh*t.

  57. johnnyh

    May 15, 2013, 19:27 #34892

    i think it was the first arsenal match i have ever watched where i didnt care if we won or lost. thank you very much for that mr wenger. the free kick was soft kevin but the wall was poorly built. podolski is too small to be on the end. all maloney had to do was get the ball over his head to score. ramsey was rubbish as usual,it really is like playing with 10 men with him in the team.his display brought back memories of eboue against wigan a few years back,i think he needs a trip to specsavers due to the amount of times he passes the ball to our opponents. he got extremely fortunate with his goal, he should have presented podolski with a tap in to complete his hat trick. on the plus side i thought mertesacker, koscielny and theo were outstanding.

  58. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 15, 2013, 17:30 #34890

    WeAreBuildingATTD,your right and just wait for the biggest drama queen of them all, Jim White to be wheeled out between now and Sunday to keep it all going, licking his lips and repeating the same thing over and over again getting louder every time, until Sunday morning where he reaches a climax.

  59. Croker

    May 15, 2013, 15:55 #34889

    It's the same old themes; there may be tight budgets and a long term fiscal policy to adhere to but the Arsenal are falling further behind our long term rivals and we are failing to even push them hard in matches, let alone beat them. We are clearly not buying the best available talent at the prices we can afford and even if Le Boss splashes the cash this summer, can we still trust him to get the best from those signings? Being prudent with the finances is no excuse for the goals we've seen being conceded through players failing to defend collectively and competently and when the goals have dried up when we needed to beat Blackburn or Bradford and too many others to mention. I will still celebrate a Champions League qualification because I love this Club and all it stands for but I can be still be sick (just like Canada, Tony & the Like) at seeing the same old failings on the pitch for +8 years. We might not have (and can't afford) world class talent in every position but a good coach can make us hard to beat and make everyone play/fight for the Club (I'd like to say badge or Crest and the old Victory through harmony which I loved but now we have a crappy logo). Surely we can agree that the lack of fighting spirit and tactical awareness has to change?

  60. Thought for the day

    May 15, 2013, 15:31 #34887

    To date RvP has scored 29 goals for Man U, 25 in the Premier League, including 3 penalties. Our penalty taker is Arteta. OG and LP, who were bought to replace RvP's goals, have scored a combined 33 goals, including 22 in the Premier League. Exactly the same number as RvP, not bad at all.

  61. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 15, 2013, 15:05 #34886

    It's job done again alright against another relegated power house.I to expected nothing less than a good performance from the team and a good win,against a Wigan side who aren't where they are, and conceded the goals they have for no reason,that's before you even take into account they played the biggest game of their lives just three days ago when we've been resting up.Really and truly fellow gooners if we couldn't have got ourselves up for that last night with plenty of running pressing and movement and come away with a result we really really were in trouble,yes i know i know it wouldn't be the first time but there was more at stake last night, the fourth place trophy and The Holy Grail.We're nearly there again, and again it's going to be the last game of the season before we're sure, just one more hurdle, the Geordies they may not be as accommodating as Wigan and they'll certainly have had more rest and i'm sure Wengers old sparing partner will have them pumped up keen to get one over on him, especially if it stops us reaching the holy grail.So it's going to have to be more of the same on Sunday, and all the back slapping ,congratulations, glass clinking,can begin on reaching the promised land again.

  62. Ronster

    May 15, 2013, 15:03 #34885

    For someone who has had the good fortune to manage AFC for 17 years,Arsene Wenger does not look particularly comfortable in his own skin;certainly not at peace with himself.Quite sad really!

  63. Chris Rocka

    May 15, 2013, 14:36 #34884

    @GoonerRon oh dear you've embarrassed yourself. Robert Peston, someone who's forgotten more about finance than you ever learnt has already done this to the death. Arsenal have ringfenced cash avalable to spend. It's called 'cash' because YOU ARE ALLOWED TO SPEND IT WHATEVER. These are the leftovers in a company's accounts after all dealings. Learn some finance child. I'm not even going to go into the money debate, something all AKBs like to do to divert from Wenger's pathetic management. One thing that's undeniable is that with a wage bill over £150 mil, and earning over £7 mil a year, Arsene Wenger has won less trophies than Birmingham, Wigan, Portsmouth, Spuds and Swansea the past 8 years. As for Giroud? LOL. What is selective about stats? He cost £12.5 million. He cost the same as Lambert, Michu and Benteke COMBINED. Yet, he has less leaguegoals than ALL THREE. 'Oh he's new to the league'. Funny that, so is Benteke/Lambert/Michu. Try again. ONE legaue goal away from home all season. He's only scored one crucial goal all season that has directly contributed to points - all his other goals come in easy walkovers. Even Neville and Alan Smith pointed this out. He is rubbish, that is why he is at Arsenal. The class players play for the Manchester clubs, Chelski, Real or Barca, AC Milan. If a player is class at Arsenal, he is sold to the parent clubs. So chat all the rubbish you want, but until you can use hard FACTS toepxlain why Giroud cost more than Michu and Benteke combined - but has performed far worse, despite being older, then you can shove it sunshine. You also need to learn about finance and how to read a balance sheet. Because this time next year when Wenger has failed AGAIN, your blusterous b***** about 'with our new improved commercial deals' will soun hollow. You AKBs crack me up. I thought you'd all said 'with our new CEO and Emirates revenue we will dominate'. That was back in 2007! Hahahahahahahahaha. You're WRONG. 8years, no trophies. Wenger is a fraud. Simple facts. Anything else you come up with now is to be mocked.

  64. Stroud Green Road Boy

    May 15, 2013, 14:03 #34883

    Even during this 'remarkable run' (as Wenger calls it) we only drew with the only two decent teams we played, the rest has been scraping past the poorest teams in the league, some of which had nothing to play for. All it takes to finish in the top 4 in this league is one decent run, you can be crap for 75% of the season, as we have been. Yet Wenger calls it 'difficult to achieve'. And I think we all know what we're going to hear this summer: 'What's most important is to keep this squad together'. One or two will go out, one or two will come in, the books will be balanced again.

  65. Gooner 89

    May 15, 2013, 13:59 #34882

    I want Wenger out. Said it 5 years ago, we'll never win anothe trophy under him. He is wahsed up, same old excuses, same old bs about mental strength etc. However as a Gooner of 43 years I loathe and detest that lot and cannot EVER wish to finish below them I just can't. I respect the views of other Wenger outs that feel the other way but cannot agree with it. All that said if we blow it Sunday I can't wait for the excuses the Wenger is God brigade will come up with. Oh sorry I forgot they won't be on here if that happens because they will have crawled back under their stones. Whatever happens Sunday. WENGER OUT

  66. Tony Evans

    May 15, 2013, 13:56 #34881

    Danny - All the likes of CanadaGooner, Brigham, myself and many others do on this site is to speak as we find. It is called facing up to the reality of the situation at Arsenal. Speaking for myself I have lost all faith in Wenger and am convinced he has to go for Arsenal to compete properly again and not to just settle for a top four position. Being a fan of Arsenal under Wenger is tedious and boring and has been for long while now.

  67. billthered

    May 15, 2013, 13:31 #34880

    If we dont beat Newcastle on Sunday that is not the result that will cost us fourth or third it is the results against the likes of Sunderland at home Swansea,Everton etc so dont let the rest of the results go without mention.If it was'nt for the spuds I for one would not care apart from the Thursday nights and Sunday games that we have to look forward to.

  68. Brigham

    May 15, 2013, 13:05 #34879

    @Danny, interesting that you accuse me of coming out with the same old tripe and yet you obviously believe the same old tripe our board and manager come out with. You sir, are the perfect oxmoron!

  69. Gare Kekeke

    May 15, 2013, 13:01 #34878

    Good win, decent performance and more goals to improve the goal difference. Good night all-round in my book. True, there were times when it looked as if Wigan were going to repeat last year’s win at the Grove but thankfully for us, it didn’t happen. Szczesny’s good save at 1-1 was very important. We do need another keeper but an experienced back up to Szczesny, not a first choice. Defensively we were ok but worryingly at times we allowed Wigan too much space. Against teams like Wigan we can get away with it but against the big teams, that’s altogether different. Good thing Podolski knows how to score because goals apart, he brings very little to the team in general play, just like Lampard at Chelsea (come on Benfica btw). I’m no Walcott fan but at least he does bring more than goals unlike Podolski. But Podolski is still worth persevering with. I’ve also noticed that our goals were scored by a set piece and counter attacks; anti-football according to one Wenger apologist recently, which to me is utter tripe. Well therefore he must have hated the manner of which we scored our goals then. Who cares how we score as long as they help us to win games. Great to see Gooners after the match applaud the Wigan players off the pitch for the second year running and I was one of them. Clearly there are some Gooners who think winning a trophy is a bigger deal than the ‘4th place trophy’. As for Wigan’s manager, the subject of discussion on this site recently; when he gets his teams to defend properly (witness our goals against them for a start) & finishes a lot higher in the Premier League than 15th for more than two seasons then we’ll re-open the debate on him. Wigan going down under was always going to happen given the last three seasons. Steve Bruce got them to 11th and no one talks of him managing a very big club one day so why the clamour for Martinez? Finishing in the top four or this so-called chase doesn’t excite me in the way it does to other Gooners but if it means finishing above that lot from the Lane again then so be it. Here’s hoping we do Newcastle on Sunday because of that arrogant twit Pardew. Up The Arsenal!

  70. GoonerRon

    May 15, 2013, 12:57 #34877

    @ Chris Rocka - the selectivity in your stats on Giroud are brilliant. Obviously, only goals against the top 3 teams are what counts? Let me be selective back at you - Giroud has scored the same amount of goals as Defoe, Tevez (who cost double the amount) and outscored Hernandez and Torres (who cost over 4 times the amount). Re: your comments about £123m sitting there, of course it's verifiable, but it doesn't mean that money is all available to spend on players does it? Presumbly when you get paid each month you have every penny available to spend on anything you like? Of course not as we have bills to pay as does a business. We will see in the summer whether I'm proved right, but with the strengthening of our commercial deals (and Gazidis and Wenger publicly talking about us becoming stronger financially because of them) the club have made a rod for their own back to spend bigger than usual in the summer. As for your comments about the **** players Wenger is supposedly lining up, presumably these are all verified, corroborated leads? Of course not, its media tittle-tattle. If you're using this as the basis to bash Wenger you should also include '****' like Jovetic, Rooney and Higuain who we have recently been linked with. @ Paul - only a small point but you really think Wigan were the better team for 65 minutes? Did you see the first 25 minutes where they barely had a kick? Did you see the last 30 minutes where we scored 3 goals and they barely registered a chance?

  71. Hibeegunner

    May 15, 2013, 12:51 #34876

    First new signing should be Howard Webb worth 10 points a season.

  72. The Noise

    May 15, 2013, 12:45 #34875

    Chris Rocka... Take a bow mate! Agree with every single word.

  73. Inspector Clueless is bored

    May 15, 2013, 12:20 #34874

    we are mediocre and at times watching arsenal today is like watching paint dry. we are predictable and slower passes than all previous arsenal teams. we beat wigan. well hip hip hip hooray blow me down bring on Barcelona

  74. Paul

    May 15, 2013, 12:06 #34873

    "We missed Giroud".That statement tells you how poor this Arsenal team is.An Arsenal striker who has scored 11 league goals and only one away from home and we missed him.Dont give up the day job Kev.Sadly Wenger believes the same and instead of going out and signing a striker who will score more goals than Lambert Benteke and Lukaku he will stick with the plank of wood.He stuck with Gervinho didnt he? You are right about Ramsey though he does the same ever game he thinks he's Zidane when really he is the Welsh Denilson.For 65 mins Wigan were the better team but saturdays cup final took its toll. If we get 4th or 5th nothing will change.Wenger will still be Manager Kroenke still owner and the ambition will still be a 4th place finish.9 years ago today we achieved Invincibility that seems like 100 years ago we are that far behind.Wenger Out

  75. Ron

    May 15, 2013, 11:53 #34872

    They have 'played to the levels theyre capable of' Kevin, quite often in fact. Its just not a very high level and to look decent, the best level they reach depends on the poor quality of the opponent of which last night was such a case again. This team hasnt underachieved at all if thats what youre suggesting. Theyve achieved exactly what they deserved from this horrible Season. Zilch. The 4th place trophy amounts to nothing, save for a passport to more money for the owners. Its offers the fans nothing.

  76. Danny

    May 15, 2013, 11:41 #34871

    What a bunch of dour bores Tony Evans,CanadaGooner Brigham and their like are, they come out with the same old tripe everytime.What sort of agenda do these straw men have.

  77. Mike

    May 15, 2013, 11:21 #34870

    Agree, Giroud has been missed

  78. Chris Rocka

    May 15, 2013, 10:51 #34869

    I had to laugh when I read 'we missed Giroud'? Kevin you usually write good pieces but lately you seemto have caught the 'end of seasons Wenger 4th place trophy unbeaten run' syndrome! What do you mean 'we missed Giroud'? Would this be the same Giroud that has less league goals against the top 3 than Ricky Lambert, Grant Holt, Jason Puncheon, Adam LeFondre, Papis Cisse and Michu? (whom ALL cost less!) What has it come to when Arsenal fans, with all the cash this club hoards are saying 'we missed Giroud'? Whatever next? I suppose we 'missed Denilson' against Bayern hmmm? And if only Coquelin and Arshavin had been fit for that Barca game last year...SERIOUSLY. Also why on earth are you perpetuating the laughable cliam that we 'need 4th to spend money on players'? What excuse has there been for the complete reckless lack of investment these past 7/8 years then? The problem is the incompetent idiot mismanaging us. Simples. For me, if Arsenal finished 5th then EVEN MORE reason to spend proper money on top players. There's £123 mil sitting there in cash. Check that statement, figures are verifiable. That's without even mentioning the increased tv and shirt money. So when we are sitting here after a summer of Wenger burdening the club with yet more s*** like Pierre-Eric Aubameyang, Geoffrey Kondogbia Matthieu Gonalons and more Ligue 1/2 garbage then what will the narrative become then? Arsena need a change of manager FIRST. For me it's laughable people try to lay the blame on Kroenke's door: even IF Kroenke only requires the bare minimum of 4th place from Wenger, as a manager drawing sucha ridiculous salary, should Wenger not be aspiring to achieve better than just the bare minimum? Thing is Wenger is unabitious and a loser more concerned by protecting his overpaid wages and his egomaniac power. The team is performing now because Wenger's neck is on the block and he can't be losing out on that juicy salary and that power no other serious club would ever give him. Wenger is a dinosaur. None of the top clubs would touch him, none of their fans want him. Ask a Madrid, Bayern, Milan or Barca fan if they'd take Wenger. They will laugh at you! At any proper club Wenger would be booted out the door within 12 months. I personally could not give a toss about the infamous '4th place trophy'. It is failure. It's nowhere and a total embarrassment that Arsenal fans are bitching about Mike Dein. FFS do you really need the ref to beat WIGAN at HOME? So small time this club has become it's a farce. Gettingall giddy over 4th place. Jesus wept. Oh but I forgot, scraping one place above Spuds (who spend £50 mil a year less on wages) is a great achievement!

  79. Brigham

    May 15, 2013, 10:35 #34868

    We need to finish above the Spuds, that is all there is to it. Champions League football is pointless in many ways because unless we improve our squad and remove the deadwood, we are never going to win it! We may even sneek 3rd were we to win and the Chavs go down against Everton, which is possible. All that will do though is paper over the huge cracks within the once famed marble halls.

  80. CanadaGooner

    May 15, 2013, 10:33 #34867

    Nice report Kev. Please do not fall into the trap of using Wenger's choice words "genuine quality". There's nothing like "genuine quality" out there. You have to be able to get the best out of what you have! Blackburn and Bradford didn't have "genuine quality" in their ranks did they? There is something lacking at Arsenal; not sure if it's motivation or just lack of desire. If you look at some of the games that have hurt us over the last 8 years, where we have repeatedly dropped points or lost finals against inferior sides (with players of less quality and cost), including Birmingham; it is clear that the problem isn't all about "genuine quality"

  81. Mike

    May 15, 2013, 10:25 #34866

    No mention of Cazorla....the man was magical last night

  82. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    May 15, 2013, 10:22 #34865

    ain't it just typical of our loveable meeeeeeedja to big up any kind of PL weekend...... a "possible playoff" for 3rd place, just like they were all coming in their pants about the possibility of a Wigan-Villa winner takes all game about 3 weeks ago. Well, it sounds more interesting than the dreary reality which is "Arsenal have to keep parity with Tottenham's result". I swear these people could make a mid-table end of season fixture sound like the World Cup Final if they have to. Honestly, if it were any other side than Spurs we were fighting it out for 4th with I wouldn't be bothered.

  83. GoonerRon

    May 15, 2013, 10:01 #34864

    Job done again, getting into a winning habit has to be a good thing and that mentality (coupled with some quality signings) has to flow through to Newcastle and then into next season. Another good defensive performance with the CB's looking assured again. We've only conceded 2 goals from open play in our last 10 matches in all comps and only 5 in the last 13 in the league - if we can continue that performance into next season it will provide a great platform for us.

  84. Paul

    May 15, 2013, 9:55 #34863

    Wigan fans were asked would they swap the FA cup win for staying up and they all chose the FA cup.If that question was put to Gooner with an FA cup win or finishing 4th most Gooners would chose silverware.Here's a stat if Chelsea win the Europa league tonight it will be their TENTH trophy since we last won one.Shame on you Wenger

  85. Stumpy den

    May 15, 2013, 9:39 #34861

    If nothing else we need to finish fourth to deny the spuds getting there.We are the Arsenal and in my mind deserve to be in Europe,despite the season we have had. Wenger needs to spend big in order that this fourth spot means something next season. Nothing else will do.

  86. Tony Evans

    May 15, 2013, 9:30 #34860

    Kevin - I am sure your last couple of lines about CL qualification meaning there were no reasons for the club not to spend large on genuine quality were written with tongue firmly in cheek because the biggest reason of all will still be at the helm! Still I suppose we live in hope.