Close Season Musings Part 3

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Close Season Musings Part 3


The revelation by Eintracht Frankfurt that the Nicklas Bendtner transfer is unlikely to happen due to Bendtner’s wage demands is an interesting development to say the least. Of course, we do not know how much Bendtner is asking for. He could be seeking for an increase on his reputed £52,000 a week existing deal at Arsenal. We simply do not know. If he is, I think it is fair to say he has an over-inflated sense of his own worth, given his record during his loan spells from Arsenal.

One question at the end of season question and answer event with Ivan Gazidis reminded the CEO that soon after his arrival at the club, he had promised supporters he would be looking at the wages issue with laser sharp focus, or similar words. Bendtner subsequently signed a renewal on his deal that upped his wages. The policy then was that the club would reward its unproven assets at a level which would ensure they remained loyal to Arsenal and not seek a move elsewhere should they develop as believed. The consequence is that when those that did not quite work out have negotiated elsewhere, financially, they are left with a stark choice. Keep taking Arsenal’s disproportionately generous pay packet or face a cut in their income. The vast majority decide economic factors outweigh any sense of footballing ambition.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it is a policy that has not really worked. A tremendous amount of money has been spunked up the wall rewarding potential instead of proven. There have been plain bad buys too. Squillaci, Santos, Park. Chamakh, at least, was a free transfer, but has received a lot of wages for not very much. There is a myth that Arsenal do not spend money. During certain summer transfer windows, this may have been true, but it should be remembered that the manager is given a massive budget to cover both transfers and wages, and decides how it is used. Gazidis’ “laser sharp focus” is not utilized in any way, shape or form. So Arsene Wenger could have used a very large pot of money differently, but significantly, when he has entered the market, at the level of price he is paying, things do not always work out.

In recent years, there have been successes of course. Santi Cazorla is an obvious example. Most now acknowledge that Koscielny and Mertesacker are decent defenders when played together in a system that means that both full backs do not bomb on. Mikel Arteta was worth the money paid for him, but is an example that sometimes you get what you pay for. A midfielder recruited after the departure of Cesc Fabregas, who was sold for three times as much. The last signing Arsenal made that made anyone sit up and take note was Andrey Arshavin. And we all know what followed.

As for the current summer, one imagines that the manager has decided he wants Higuain, but that he is negotiating hard over the fee. Additionally, with every week the player does not sign, Arsenal are saving over £100,000 in wages. Never discount that as a factor in the timing of the club’s dealings. If the manager is obsessed about every £10,000 on a transfer fee (and he is apparently a real pain to negotiate with), then saving half a million on his outgoings by dillydallying for a month is obviously going to appeal. And the idea that they want to get rid of Bendtner and Chamakh from the wage bill before adding a new name cannot be discounted.

The price for bargaining long and hard is that sometimes the club miss out on targets through not having a David Dein figure who can simply seal the deal. Dein would listen to Wenger’s view on what he was prepared to pay for a player, and for the sake of a million or two, ensure the player was secured. He’d negotiate hard, but not be bound by Wenger’s limitations.

So pre-season has begun and Yaya Sanogo has come in on a free transfer. There will be other arrivals, but there is a genuine fear that the club will be left with a lot of money in the bank that could have served it better spent on the field. A common story. They may have £70 million to spend on players but there is a suspicion that Arsenal – with a big club budget – are behaving like a small time outfit. Sadly, there is a premium to pay when it is known you have significant funds. It’s one Arsene Wenger is loath to acccept, an outlook that is holding the club back if it has serious ambitions to compete again.

Maybe Higuain will be announced as an Arsenal signing soon, but if it has taken this long to secure him, you have to wonder what other significant business is going to be done before 1st September. The club has money to spend, but a manager who makes very hard work of spending it.


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  1. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jul 18, 2013, 21:23 #36564

    Looks like we are failing to bring in the big signing that sends a signal to the others that we mean business. Sign one big player you tend to get others follow. Reason for lack of progress. Failure to pay the going rate and lack of credibility in Arsene ( no trophies 8 seasons ) Wenger. That is why Alex Ferguson was able to take our only world class player. For those Wenger apologists this is where it gets painful , you start stressing surely not again , if only he would sign someone! Unfortunately the football world has rumbled Wenger. For those of us with a more cynical / realistic attitude this is only what we expected. Some of us may even hope they blunder totally and sign no-one of any worth. That way it may actually start to open up the possibility in those yet to see the light that Wenger and Gazidis are truly hopeless. Things have gotta change!

  2. Ronster

    Jul 18, 2013, 18:17 #36563

    Wenger has always placed himself on a pedestal...only securing a trophy in 8 of the 29 seasons he has managed a club should see him realistically polishing the shoes of Sir Alex and 'The Special One'.

  3. theopants superstar

    Jul 18, 2013, 17:07 #36562

    By the way chris, I'm not sure what level of maths knowledge you achieved at school but you do know that 5 successful seasons in 8 is still a better win ratio than 5 successful seasons in 17, don't you?

  4. chris dee

    Jul 18, 2013, 17:03 #36561

    theo etc Oh dear ,oh dear! Whoosh!Straight over your head.

  5. theopants superstar

    Jul 18, 2013, 16:54 #36560

    chris dee 14:13pm 18th Jul 2013 theo etc. What sarcasm? I am just using your yardstick to measure success. You state that Wenger only had 5 succesful seasons, so with your argument Georgie only had 5 succesful seasons because in one year we won the Cup Double. And Alex Ferguson won 26 major trophies but because he won the treble in one year and did a couple of doubles he only had 19 succesful seasons. All factually correct. Makes perfect sense." So finally you have conceded that your earlier claim that 'Wenger is the most consistently successful manager in our history' is wrong!!

  6. chris dee

    Jul 18, 2013, 14:13 #36559

    theo etc. What sarcasm? I am just using your yardstick to measure success. You state that Wenger only had 5 succesful seasons, so with your argument Georgie only had 5 succesful seasons because in one year we won the Cup Double. And Alex Ferguson won 26 major trophies but because he won the treble in one year and did a couple of doubles he only had 19 succesful seasons. All factually correct. Makes perfect sense.

  7. theopants superstar

    Jul 18, 2013, 12:46 #36558

    Chris Dee: The fact that you dress up your response to my factually correct point in sarcasm - albeit a poor version - doesn't change those facts or make your argument any less wrong.

  8. Moscow Gooner

    Jul 18, 2013, 11:26 #36557

    Jamie, you ask about how we would have reacted to the 16th and 17th place finishes in the mid '70s - we know how we would have reacted because many of us were there! Paying a quid or so to stand on the North Bank and shout yourself hoarse compensated for the dire fare on the pitch. Now we're expected to pay a thousand quid a season to sit down and shut up: and of course for that we demand more than an endless succession of 4th place finishes!

  9. chris dee

    Jul 18, 2013, 9:37 #36556

    theo etc. Oh I get it now, thanks. So what you are saying is that George Graham only experienced 5 successful seasons in 8 years. This of course changes everything,Wenger record ain't so good now. Sorry about that misunderstanding.

  10. t

    Jul 17, 2013, 18:16 #36553

    chris dee 9:36am 17th Jul 2013 "theo etc. 5 Trophies in 17 years?Which manager is that? It can't be Wenger cause he has won 7 trophies in 17 years." You misquote me - perhaps deliberately? I said (and you can go back and read it properly this time)that Wenger has "experienced triumph in just 5 of his 17 seasons' NOT that he has only won 5 trophies!!!

  11. chris dee

    Jul 17, 2013, 9:36 #36542

    theo etc. 5 Trophies in 17 years?Which manager is that? It can't be Wenger cause he has won 7 trophies in 17 years. Georgie Graham was a great manager,my favourite in fact, but unlike Wenger finished 10th and 12th in a couple of his seasons and things were going downhill fast in his last couple of seasons. And let's not forget that the football played under Wenger was much better than Georgie's. And let's not forget,although people do,since the move to the Emirates Wenger,although the club won't admit it,has had to sell our top players to help get the clubs finances on an even keel and keep the club in the Champions League. But I totally understand the anger and frustration because we see a tin pot club like Chelsea winning trophies after a Russian 'Business' man pumped nearly 2 billion into the club.But I honestly think if no trophy is won this year then Arsene will walk away and we will get a change in management that so many people crave for. Also must point out a worrying interview given in Vietnam by Theo Walcott where he said Arsenal will still challenge for the title even if no new players are brought in.That statement doesn't sound to promising in the light of a 'spectacular' signing.

  12. DW Thomas

    Jul 16, 2013, 18:34 #36532

    All it takes is along hard look at the facts for an informed opinion. I see both sides, those so called AKBs and AMGs. I used to believe in Wenger, but the CL loss was imo the start of his downward spiral. He should have at least won 2 things since. The CC when Kos and Sczez bottled it and the 07-08 season. Had he won just those two, maybe with better CL runs/results, i could prob still say hes got it. But i agree with some. Maybe he never had it or simply lost that old edge, all possibly true. What I look at now is the last 8 or so seasons where he has won nothing, signed very few "top quality" players as he likes to say, and made too many mistakes all around different areas with a stubborness that screams of his inflated ego. True winners dont need to talk about "mental strength" or "spirit". They just ooze it, and win. It still has my ears hurting when said some of his more recent teams are his bedt sides. Perhaps no one will achieve what they did again. That statement made me start listening carefully to his words. All the "judge me in may" and "we only need one ir two more players" type quoted are repeated far to often to think he can change. If and only if this window is different as it should be, as we were told by the club's figureheads, will I hope that we may compete again for more than 4th. That title is simply not good enough anymore!

  13. ApolloGooner

    Jul 16, 2013, 17:05 #36527

    @ Theopants - Well said mate, I agree with you about Graham as I think it is fairer to use the ratio of success instead of the total number of trophies won - especially as Wenger has had over twice as many seasons as our manager than Graham. To expand on your point further, I think it’s worth highlighting the fact that due to the European ban on English clubs, Graham also had less trophies he was able to compete for. In fact in only 2 of his 8 full seasons were there 4 trophies available to him at the start of the season. Wenger has had 4 to go for in every one of his 17 seasons in charge. So in total Wenger has won 7 out of 68 trophies (success rate of 10.29%) compared to Graham’s 6 trophies from 26 (success rate of 23.08%). I realise statistics are often manipulated to support an argument but at the same time, facts are facts. An additional fact is that one of Grahams trophies was won in Europe and won against tough opposition. Both Wenger and Graham were great for the club when they were at their best so I don’t wish to belittle the achievements of one just to promote the other. But I would say the case for Graham being our most successful manager is a very strong one.

  14. theopants superstar

    Jul 16, 2013, 15:52 #36522

    chris dee 13:56pm 16th Jul 2013 "theo etc. Yep you right, we were already a big club before Arsene Wenger arrived which shows what a great job he's done cause he the most consistently successful manager in our history." And on the down side, he also the Arsenal manager that has gone the longest period without winning a trophy!! Anyway, I would query the statement that Wenger is Arsenal's most consistently successful manager. Sure, if it's down purely to the amount of trophies won (although he has only experienced triumph in just 5 of his 17 seasons), but when spread over their overall time in charge, George Graham with 6 trophies in 8 years has been a more successful Arsenal manager.

  15. chris dee

    Jul 16, 2013, 13:56 #36514

    theo etc. Yep you right, we were already a big club before Arsene Wenger arrived which shows what a great job he's done cause he the most consistently successful manager in our history. Gooner g etc. No manager can compete with Ferguson,but that doesn't make Arsene Wenger a bad manager, it still makes him one of the greats. Mourinho?Fantastic success yes, although is was purchased at a cost of £350 million at Chelsea and £100 million at Real.But,what's that got to do with price of tomatoes?Arsene Wenger's record is still one of the best. Stroud etc. Course I'm disapointed at some supporters rubbishing and vilifying,not critisising, and there's a big difference, one of the best managers in the last 30 years.So should you. During last season I posted many times on this site 90 % of which were angry and frustrated at the manger but did not resort to insults. Just hoping to see Adrian Durham at the Emirates one day where I would resort to insults.

  16. reg new

    Jul 16, 2013, 12:32 #36506

    Jamie can you get your own site or a job and do some thing worth while

  17. Ron

    Jul 16, 2013, 12:07 #36503

    Stroud Green - Re 49ers comment - agreed and fully accepted. Not an issue with that at all.

  18. theopants superstar

    Jul 16, 2013, 12:03 #36502

    Chris Dee: the mistake you make is not - as GoonerGoal says - comparing Wenger with managers that are now dead. The real error in your comparison comes with the state of those clubs when said managers took them over. Shankly, Revie, Nicholson and Busby all took their clubs to their first sustained period of achievement and with that established their clubs fame for ever. Arsenal were already a great and famous club long before Wenger took over!! Jamie: so any gooner that might have criticism for Wenger and the club must have been influenced by Durham/Talksport/other sections of the media, yet your continued defence of those responsible for our lack of progress isn't at all influenced by the crap you swallow from Wenger/Gazidis/Arsenal.com? And don't come out with rubbish like 'I'm just supporting my club' whilst at the same time being critical of any fan that by the very nature of the fact they are not prepared to see Arsenal continually treated as a personal pet project by Wenger or a cash cow by Kroenke are showing their disapproval! It's not the club they 'hate' - but the way it's being run by the people in charge

  19. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jul 16, 2013, 11:45 #36501

    @ Chris Dee, the fact that you're more disappointed by people having a go at Wenger than the lack of signings to improve the team is rather revealing of where your supporting priorities lie. @ Ron, whilst I'd agree that a better coach may have got more out of the 49ers, we must concede that perhaps only Wenger would have put that team together in the first place, given the qualities and inside track he had at that time. @ Jamie "If you keep repeating the same stuff then foolish people are easily brainwashed". How very, very true - '4th is a trophy', 'We will be busy in the transfer market', 'Judge me in May' 'We only look for super quality' etc, etc, etc...

  20. Ron

    Jul 16, 2013, 11:45 #36500

    There are many like myself whove actualy either only heard a few minutes or never heard of 'talk sport'. Its listener numbers are miniscule im pretty sure. Durham in fact in his press column does actually make some good points about football and footballers. Its easy to blame a supposedly rubbish phone in show for widespread views on things like Wenger and the Arsenal rather than accept that people have their own views formed by their own ears and observations. Fact is that Alan Green has been more disparaging about Wenger for years than any of the others. Have you ever thought instead that Wengers own haughty and disrespectful attitude to the media for many years might have created the way they see and treat him back? Have you ever wondered why hes disliked by so many other Coaches? Chris Dee - ive never known one person fail to acknolwedge Wengers efforts up to 2005. Your views on those other bosses compared to him is naive in the extreme. All of those Clubs were far further back in all other respects than just football ones than ever Arsenal were when Wenger rode in. In my view Wenger doesnt get close to comparing, but thats a big debate to open.

  21. GoonerGoal!

    Jul 16, 2013, 11:31 #36499

    Chris Dee if you are going to hold up your beloved Wenger in comparison with other “great” managers, surely it would have been better if you didn’t make comparisons with a set of dead managers, the youngest of whom ceased managing 28 years ago. Instead, perhaps you should compare Wenger at Arsenal (7 trophies in 16 years) with more relevant managers of his generation like Ferguson at Man U (28 trophies in 27 seasons), or Marinho at Chelsea (6 trophies in 4 years). However, if you really want to make comparisons perhaps you should consider their records over the whole of their senior managerial careers… Ferguson (38 trophies in 39 years), Marinho (20 trophies in 11 years). Makes one realise that Wenger’s (10 trophies in 29 years) doesn’t really look so “great” eh? VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  22. JAMIE

    Jul 16, 2013, 11:26 #36498

    How very true chris dee, Durham started all this anti-Wenger muck a few years back and generally targets the simpler more emotional Arsenal supporters who believe his spin. Most of the people on his phone-ins are so over the top in their slagging off of Wenger it's laughable. They are always broad speaking over-excitable so called salt of the earth Cockney characters. Anybody with half a brain comes on to defend Wenger and they are normally called names and cut off quickly. Radio is very powerful and If you keep repeating the same stuff then foolish people are easily brainwashed, having Stewart Robson and the BSM as regular guests also helps his agenda. The only redeeming thing about the guy is he also seems to dislike Spurs and loves calling them a little club and bottlers etc and is in my book a closet Arsenal fan as he loves talking about us and has admitted he's fascinated by the history of the club. Though as with a lot of todays media Man City and Chelsea are always given an easy ride which shows a change in the way people think nowadays, It's like if you don't conform to our ways then expect a difficult time.

  23. Ron

    Jul 16, 2013, 11:20 #36497

    Terry - Everyone fumed after the Utd 2004 game. Rooney did dive and Ferdinand shd have seen red re foul on Llungberg etc etc etc. Fact - Wenger sulked like a baby for months and his players took his lead, maybe because they couldnt hack defeat after so long. It happens. Wenger should have been saying 'right. lets go another 49 etc and show Ferguson' bla bla, not crying into his mineral water every day for months, hence my view on his lack of motivational skills. What happened that day was a one off. The ref made it happen as much as anything else. As for the fouling by Man U that day, we should have fouled them back with interest, made a 'war' of it and prepared for it as everybody (save for Wenger seemingly) was expecting it Thats football esp when you go to that hole where the forces are against ALL visitors as Rafa was so right to say a few years back. The whining was well over the top and showed Wenger up as a bleating cry baby and blimey, has he done enough bleating since to last us a lifetime too about Bolton Blackburn Stoke and anybody else who hasnt stood off us and let us play! Its called a loser mentality. Not peculiar to the French but theyre prone too it.As for the 49 games, if youre dishonest enough to say we never scraped through in a quite a few of those games, thats up to you, but those of us who were at them often used to say 'how did we pull that one off' and smile. Liverpool away was the best eg. should have been 3-0 down in first half hour. We had loads of luck in many games. Nobody goes unbeaten for ages without luck. Call me all the names you want fella (spud etc). i wont change my views on the team or the Club and certainly wont be bothered by your cheap jibes. Some of you are so Wenger rose timted, its laughable. Many of our supporters havent rated him as a coach for years, not just the last 5-6.I would add as well, that that 49 ers team, in my view, would have won far more under a better Coach.

  24. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jul 16, 2013, 10:56 #36496

    Chris Dee @10.39: mate don't worry too much about Durham and Gough. They work for a radio station whose mission in life is to court controversy, in order to get mugs to ring in on their premium rate phone line (and then take maybe 5 calls in a hour). Durham I suspect is actually a closet Gooner, because, if I can deliberately misquote Shakespeare, "he doth protest too much" and as for Gough, well, a crap ex-cricketer who knows nothing about anything.

  25. chris dee

    Jul 16, 2013, 10:39 #36495

    We are all waking up hoping to see or hear the sports headlines announce a 'spectacular' signing and are disappointed when nothing materialises but there is still time. But what is even more disapponting is the amount of bile and vitriol aimed at Arsene Wenger by some supporters.We all get angry and upset when results do not go our way,that's what fans do,but some of the bitter unreasonable rants on this site are simply out of order. The guy been manager for 16 years,won 7 trophies,been runner ups in various cup competions and overseen the biggest uprooting from one ground to another by any club in the last 100 years and still kept the playing side healthy despite having to sell, year on year top players, to help finance the move until the finances are healthy. We are told quite rightly that Bill Shankly OBE(6 trophies in 15 years)Don Revie OBE(6 trophies in 13 years )Bill Nicholson OBE (7 in 16 years )Sir Matt Busby (8 trophies in 24 years )are amongst the managerial greats.They are all revered by their respective fans,but Arsene? Nah!According to some supporters he's a busted flush,he's arrogant,tactically naive,only in it for the money,scared to spend money and generally a waste of space. The trouble is to many fans are influenced and wound up by some in the media like that anti Arsenal toe rag Adrian Durham and his little poodle Darren Gough.

  26. garyfootscrayaustralia

    Jul 16, 2013, 10:17 #36494

    Ron, you said "Reality is that if if he worked for a Board who made demands of him and imposed players on him, saying here you are Coach heres the top player from whosover, use him, Wenger would run a mile". Might I suggest that Andrei Arshavin was an example of a board signing? It might explain why Arshavin was marginalised / played out of position. Granted, the lad didn't help himself by not extending himself on the pitch in the same way he did in the canteen, but given the shenanigans surrounding his transfer, I often wonder whether his signing was Arsene's idea at all.

  27. Terry

    Jul 16, 2013, 9:53 #36493

    Ron you are starting to sound like that guy on talk sport who slagged of the invincibles comparing them to New Zealand who went unbeaten in the world cup drawing three. Fair enough have a go at Wenger but saying he was lucky to win 8 out of every 10 games is nonsense, your starting to sound like a bitter Spud. In fact I was fuming after that MU game and thought we were well robbed with Shrek diving and Manure up to their usual kick every thing that moves tactic. Remember Arsenal had also gone unbeaten two seasons previously away from home so there's no fluke in that, two times in three years-no body else has managed one. Don't let your hatred of Wenger spoil some of the most enjoyable moments of Arsenal's history.

  28. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 16, 2013, 9:24 #36492

    Jan, no doubt you'll make it up to ogl when he gets back,maybe your even there.

  29. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jul 16, 2013, 9:11 #36491

    Alsace : Yes but if Cesc does go to Utd we get a fat "selling on" fee to go towards Arsene's "bumper" new contract!

  30. Tony Evans

    Jul 16, 2013, 8:50 #36490

    Jamie - I would love for Arsenal to be as despised as Man U or Chelsea because that would mean we were being successful and actually winning trophies. What you have also failed to notice is that amongst other fans Arsenal are seen as a bit of a joke because of Wenger with his pompous Gallic behaviour and joke signings. This summer will be no different as far as transfers go and next season no different as far as winning anything goes - if you are happy with that then good luck to you.

  31. Ron

    Jul 15, 2013, 23:27 #36489

    Jan - Typical womans take that. Whats footie in your life? Stick to your spinning classes at your local gym or your yoga group with all the other dreary dreamers!

  32. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 15, 2013, 21:17 #36488

    DW Thomas, a good point regarding Suarez, no doubt it suits them to keep the rumor going for as long as they can, after all there's gullible fans to placate, and keep hanging on (ogl's specialty),when time runs out and they have to say something expect to hear the usual waffle that we've all heard before.

  33. Jan

    Jul 15, 2013, 21:06 #36487

    I bet Arsene and the boys can't believe the adoration and the support they are getting on this Asia tour. Makes a pleasant change to a bunch of plastic losers criticising all you do.

  34. Ron

    Jul 15, 2013, 19:41 #36486

    Alsace - can see your point totally matey, but i cant get away from the other perspective that Wengers dressing room needs a few scumbags who can play at the top level and at the same time give Wenger (seeing as we re lumbered with him by the looks of it) an experience of a player who s driven, who give him some gip and make the lightweights in that dressing room see what it takes? Its just a theory as Wenger wont sign him, but it makes for discussion i guess.

  35. Fozzys mate

    Jul 15, 2013, 19:18 #36485

    While Saurez is no doubt an odious individual signing a player of his stature would send out the message, we mean business, as the signings of king Dennis and Platt did in 1995. At that time we have slipped back to also rans but signing two big names everybody knew stirred it up. Wrighty said he got in his car and drove to the ground. That's what we need, a shot up the rear to push away the lethargy of the hunt for the FPT and OGL redifing what a trophy is. Also signing big players attracts others whilst selling them deters them. I don't think we have a cat in hells chance of Saurez as we are the only club crazy enough to regularly sell our best players to out direct rivals. I see it as a smoke and mirrors distraction.

  36. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Jul 15, 2013, 19:16 #36484

    So we learn this evening that Man Utd have launched a bid to take on Francesc Fabregas for £25 million. Meanwhile we bid £35 million for a player who bites others. Whilst the probability that Cesc will go to Man United fills me with the sort of raw hatred for the manager that wishes him on a trip to Dien Bien Phu on his Vietnamese tour during which his hosts forget themselves and decide to deal with Frenchman who will not listen to polite requests to leave in their own traditional manner, there may be an upside. It is my belief, that like George Graham before him, Cesc will come back one day to clean out and clean up the mess that Wenger will leave when he is ejected. It will be good for that task for him to experience both Barca and Man U and how they do things. The knowledge needed to play properly no longer exists at Arsenal. Let's face it, Arsenal as we knew it hardly exists anymore. Can anyone think of a more inappropriate player to come to our club than Suarez?

  37. DW Thomas

    Jul 15, 2013, 18:05 #36483

    Many great points in the comments boys! His failures to me are now overtaking his successes. He should have won significantly more, at least a CL and then he might be considered so great. Perhaps the biggest flaw, mentioned several times is his inability to be flexible-in tactics and transfers. We need Fellaini, Higuain, and one more really good signing to just compete and turn the club around. Let alone take off and fly. If Suarez is brought in for a crazy fee and wages, i will not be happy at all. Sure he is good but way too much baggage. I have coached all ages for 15+ years and never remember any player biting an opponent! We should as a club crush those rumors if we are so by the book and high and mighty dont you think? 4 weeks away and nothing sorted, no improvements. Most other good/top teams are finishing their business while we spoil our already pampered players overseas trying to gain more fans, more money and for what? Wenger loves the spotlightWe just did some common core work. Adding prob, constructions, and transforms! too much though. And dont get me started on his contract rumors. Are we such mugs that the club can discuss rewarding him prior to any signif signings, given his failure for 8 years? There can be no doubt the club see 4th as top priority, and keeping Wenger over the risk of trying to truly compete. Why is it so hard for so many fans to see the light?

  38. Rob

    Jul 15, 2013, 18:02 #36482

    I see George has been speaking out and I completely agree with his analysis. He said we need a quality GK with experience (Caesar?), a commanding defender (Vertongen anyone?) a powerful defensive midfielder (Fellani is a no brainer on that score, at least for me) and a goal scoring forward (Hilguain would do it). We have already lost Vertongen. Caesar looks bound for Roma. We're supposed to have signed Hilguain three weeks ago and Fellani is just rumours, so far. But never forget how much we will save if we 1/ Sign none of these and 2/ Float the ludicrous ideas that we are after Rooney and Suarez but don't sign either and wind up with just Sanogo come September 1st. How lovely - to Stan - Arsenal's current account will then look. There should still be plenty left to keep paying Bendtner and Chamakh for another 12 months. Good old Arsene / Stan/ Gazedis !!

  39. Ron

    Jul 15, 2013, 17:08 #36481

    Apollo - Absolutely. Really well expressed. Hes also only bought players who wont rattle his cage or show any dissent in the dressing room by and large. Mommy s boy types in the main. Easily manipulated who in most cases havent played under demanding aggressive coaches.Keeps it nice and comfy. He defends them against all comers in return for them toeing his line. Your point on him 'inheriting' a winning set up is dead on. Adams and Co 'managed' the dressing room for him for quite some years and their influence was imbued in Cole and Campbell and Co but then dissipated as he broke that team up. Wengers a very clever guy. He constructs arguments and defences to criticisms very well and studiously. He dresses his views up in a generic 'its better for the good of the game if you see it my way' cloak. All tyrants do it and their views are taken on board by acolytes who are of less intelligence so who are easily won over and they then pass his gospel on as if there s no alternative. Done over 15 years as he has, makes for a tough concept to break. The fact is that hes ridden with fear deep down. Fear of players who might give him a hard time.Fear of going for broke. Fear of breaking from his cosy zone and fear of failure. Most of all, he deep down knows his own limitations and hes frightened of other top coaches like Mourinho and Co. He uses 'financial doping' to hide behind. Reality is that if if he worked for a Board who made demands of him and imposed players on him, saying here you are Coach heres the top player from whosover, use him, Wenger would run a mile. Im not saying thats how it should be but he wouldnt cope. Why else has he not gone to one of these top Clubs who've supposedly clamoured for him for years? One main reason in my view - Fear!

  40. Goonerbri

    Jul 15, 2013, 14:52 #36480

    News that we are 'preparing a bid' for Suarez. He's a racist, a diver, goofy and an all-round c**t, but he was 2nd top scorer after RVP last season and if he puts away the chances we create he could be top scorer next season and win us the title. So I say SIGN HIM UP!

  41. ApolloGooner

    Jul 15, 2013, 14:21 #36479

    @ We are Building & Ron - Interesting points guys! As you have both pointed out, even during the golden years there were signs of Wenger’s negative influence and tactical naivety. I admit I didn’t notice (or perhaps didn’t want to notice) them so much at the time but they were there. More importantly though, what does Wenger have to offer now? Not enough in my opinion. Certainly not for another £7.5m contract to be on offer. That is a sick joke. For me, it’s not just that the game has changed and Wenger hasn’t changed with it … I think time has shown that Wenger is not as good as many of us thought he was a decade ago. He had help. Take away the winning mentality that existed in the dressing room he inherited (which got passed on to the top quality players Wenger brought to the club himself) and then take away the drive, ambition and negotiation skills of David Dein - what are we left with when we look at Wenger as an individual? A pretty ordinary football coach? A manager who appears to be out of his depth at a big club with big expectations? If that’s the case, how does he survive? Is it because Wenger is also a very slick and devious politician? That explains how and why he has slowly been able to lower expectations and been able to spin the truth to make finishing 4th sound like success. It isn’t of course. Finishing 4th is not a disgrace in itself - but only trying to finish 4th because attempting to finish 1st is more expensive and adds unwanted pressure – that most definitely is a disgrace. The club is managed in an almost cowardly fashion to give themselves a ready-made excuse for failure while at the same time allowing the likes of Gazidis to tell us how we have outperformed our spend. To protect himself, Wenger has surrounded himself with like-minded people and manipulated the press and a huge number of the clubs fans into acting as though he is virtually untouchable. Someone not to be questioned too much. Anyone who heavily criticises him is rounded on and belittled - made to look like a dissenter, a traitor to the cause. It’s sad to see that this form of brainwashing technique is still very much working. And yes it has all the hallmarks of a cult. People understandably don’t like being called Arsene fans rather than Arsenal fans – but how else can we describe them when their stance towards Wenger hasn’t altered after so many years of lies, false promises and regression? Several years of no progress and, depending on how we interpret what he said at the weekend, his team is still 2 or 3 years away from challenging. It’s either tragic or laughable. I’m not sure which anymore. Yet his supporters remain loyal to him. It makes me wonder when it will finally come to an end. What will it actually take?

  42. GoonerGoal!

    Jul 15, 2013, 14:15 #36478

    JAMIE there is one thing you got absolutely correct, "Circular reasoning gets people nowhere...". Nine groundhog seasons later, that is the one thing you can be sure that "Arsene knows". VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  43. Fozzy's mate

    Jul 15, 2013, 13:33 #36477

    Even we don't spend Kroenke or Usmanov's personal wealth, what about the ever increasing cash reserve? That is what I mean re resources at our disposal. Why do the various American owners want FFP, so they can take out and not put in. There is no trophy for being the most cash rich club in the wolrd is there? Whats the point in generating all the cash other than lining the owners pockets.

  44. Ron

    Jul 15, 2013, 13:12 #36476

    We are building etc .... So very true. At last, a view that explains while not simply relying on the cash issue. You might also have included the tantrum, 'its always happening to us' mentality Wengers created for so long. Im thinking OT in 2004. Loss of game 50. Talk about his sulk after that game infecting his players and he allowing them in turn to sulk for 5/6 months, during which time we hardly won a game! Wenger was OK when he had talented players to pull his nuts out of the fire time after time and speaking as one who saw most of those 49 games, they were bloody lucky in a good 8-10 of them not to lose. His powers to motivate have been dubious ever since that game at OT for me. We then had the years of 'theyre always kicking us and roughing us up boo hoo' mentality that permeated the whole club and every player for a good 5 years. Its stil there now to an extent. Over those years it was accompanied by a whinging mentality towards other Clubs of ' let us play tikka takka while you stand and watch, we are Barca lite you know' Youre so right though, the lack of a winning mentality has been fostered for many reasons other than money. Its not surprising the Club hasnt the will, the nous or the bottle to get over the line in big games, with him on the touchline, kicking and smashing his water bottle and screaming 'how unfair' with arms wide for the last 9 years!

  45. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jul 15, 2013, 12:41 #36475

    Lord Froth: AW isn't just now a choke artist, he always has been. Want some examples? 96/97: blew the chance of finishing 2nd when Blackburn equalized right at the end of the game due to players getting annoyed about the corner being awarded incorrectly. 98/99: lost the title at Leeds due to Vivas (another crap Wenger signing) taking over from the mighty Nigel Winterburn injured, who then went and lost Hasselbaink for their winner with 5 minutes to go. Vivas also get himself sent off in the MU SF 1st game, leaving us to play the remainder + extra time with 10 men. 1999/2000: choked against Galatasaray failing to take advantage against their 10 men. Tactically naive and played right into their hands. 2000/01: lost FA Cup final by continuing to pour forward for 2nd goal instead of shutting up shop. (OK, Henchoz should have walked for the handball on the line etc.....) 2002/03 shamefully blow a title there for the taking by failing to have the nous to break down teams away from home in the second half of the season. 2003/04: nearly blow the title against Liverpool (TH and RP decide to take things into their own hands) a tactically inept CL 2nd leg at home to Chelsea. 2006 CL Final: instead of putting Henry on the half way line to at least give Barca something to think about, he ends up playing like a Central Midfielder. Lack of reaction to the double substitution sees 2 late goals. Yes the man has won 3 titles and 4 FA Cups, but also oversaw the loss of 3 titles (99, 03, 08), one European Cup, one UEFA Cup, an FA Cup and 2 League Cups (3 in more honesty after going out to the mighty Bradford City last year).

  46. Lord Froth

    Jul 15, 2013, 12:16 #36473

    Jamie, you say " Even though we haven't won any of them since 2004 we have always competed with only Barcelona with their best team ever making us look second best." This is not true mate. We got hammered by Milan and Bayern in the last two years in the CL and only turned it on in the return leg when it was too late and the pressure was off. For whatever reason Wenger is now a choke artist, losing to Birmingham, Blackburn and Bradford in important games and capitulating regularly to Chelsea and Man U and I'm one of the eternal optimists at the start of each season but even I've had enough. Even if he buys some good players this transfer window, which I don't believe he will do given his recent track record, I don't think that he's tactically flexible enough for the modern game. He might have kept the team regularly in the CL but to what ends? We haven't a chance of winning it.

  47. Gaz

    Jul 15, 2013, 12:06 #36472

    @JAMIE You've fallen into the trap of blaming everything on a supposed lack of funds. Even putting to one side the millions AW has wasted on complete dross the simple fact remains that his managing of the side over a number of years just hasn't been good enough. I mean if it's simply down to money how do we explain losses to Swansea, Bradford, Birmingham and Blackburn (to name but a few)? No, this is more to do with Wenger the manager rather than a Club thats simply denied him of funds.

  48. billthered

    Jul 15, 2013, 11:26 #36471

    Dont forget that OGL has a degree in economics and every week that he does'nt spend on players he has saved the club thousands in unpaid wages.But the downside is another club will pick them up.What happened to all that speculation regarding Joveticv me thinks that is all it is spin,spin and more spin.

  49. JAMIE

    Jul 15, 2013, 10:10 #36470

    Well if we have to boast about how long I've been a supporter. I have been a fan since 1973 it is possible to be a supporter of Arsenal before 96 and want Wenger to stay. My first home game a 2-1 defeat to Leeds, first away game 4-0 win at Norwich. In today's football whether we like it or not, it's only the Champions League and Premiership that really count in the eyes of those who run the big clubs, though an FA Cup or Capital one cup would be great. Under Wenger we have never finished outside the top four and have made it through the first group stage in the last 13 seasons, the only English club to have done that. Even though we haven't won any of them since 2004 we have always competed with only Barcelona with their best team ever making us look second best. Also name another Arsenal manager who has been sacked for finishing top four. Surely you would rather win trophies doing things the right way knowing that all the finances have been self generated and Arsenal are respected throughout the world, that's something that Wenger brings. Rather than become just another play thing for a rich man who may bring success but at the cost of a clubs soul. That's what will happen if we go down the quick fix manager merry go round. Manager's come and go a few cheap trophies are picked up along the way, that's not enough and before long Usmanov is brought in and Arsenal that great English Institution are now more despised than Chelsea and Man Utd.

  50. Bard

    Jul 15, 2013, 9:53 #36469

    As usual a thoughful article. The delaying of deals to save momeyon wages is typical Arsenal as is all the spin and bull. Suarez for 30+m is a joke. Wenger would rather we got relagated than pay that sort of money. I agree with Canada, are we buying for 4th spot or are we challenging? I think we know the answer to that one already. We should run a bet on how long it will be before we hear 'the squad is already strong enough' line to justify not buying anyone.

  51. Fozzy's mate

    Jul 15, 2013, 8:43 #36468

    Jamie unlike many who comment here you obviously think OGL invented the club. As a lad I remember the doldrums of 71-79 and 80-87. I was in ectasy at wembley as we beat the smug scousers and in utopia at anfield in 89 which will always be one of my lifes highlights. But by 94 georgeous george had reached the point that OGL reached in 2007 when v psv he moved Gilberto to centre half and toure to right back to accomodate Denilson. In 2009 he pronounced the deckchair as the prems best mid f player and Almunia its best keeper. A bit like George preferring Hillier and Morrow to Thomas and Rocastle. When its time to change its time to change. Don't call me a JCL please. I don't think 30 yrs home and away quite fits that tag?

  52. SouthAfricanGooner

    Jul 15, 2013, 7:53 #36467

    I still can't get past the Suarez off-the-line handball in WorldCup2010 here in South Africa. Ghana would have been in the semi's!! I cringed when we were linked with him a couple of years ago and I really hope we aren't gonna sign that cheater.

  53. declan burke

    Jul 15, 2013, 7:46 #36466

    Get yourselves ready for a familiar line from Wenger come the start of the season, ''we worked very hard in the transfer market'' and of course once again we will have money in the bank and a team incapable of challenging for the title. It's so so tiresome.

  54. MARCUS

    Jul 15, 2013, 4:26 #36465

    Also I forgot to say that Sanogo is a typical Wenger signing over the last 8 years smh. This man does not learn smh. i.e Diaby. ARSENAL OUR DOOMED FOLKS FOOTBALLING WISE END OFF STORY UNTIL THIS PLONKER IS SENT BACK TO FRANCE WHERE HE WOULD GET SACKED AT PSG OR WHERE EVER HE WENT IF HE TRIED THIS NONSENSE. ENJOY THE HUNT FOR THE TOP 4 TROPHY THAT IS HOW LOW WE HAVE FALLEN WE ARE NOT TITLE CONTENDERS AND DONT LET ANY AKB FOOL PERSUADE YOU WE ARE AS THAT IS FICTION NOT WITH THIS SQUAD ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT. YOU MAY ASK ME WHY DO I SAY THAT WELL 1 WIN IN 12 AGAINST THE TOP 6 LAST SEASON IS ALL THE PROOF YOU NEED SMH.

  55. MARCUS

    Jul 15, 2013, 4:16 #36464

    This Jamie loser is the exact reason why Wenger is still in the job smh. He has these loyal fans that seem as a GOD he can do no wrong, which for me is a joke he is a man like me and you Jamie he bleeds like em and you and is not PERFECT. Look lets talk about the facts and his record for the last 16 years his been at arsenal. So he had a great first 8 years, 3 titles and 4 FA cups now that is a great record and it can not be taken away from him. Now lets talk about his second 8 years well where do we start Jamie?? Let me just be kind by saying it has been a terrible second 8 years footballing wise. LOSING TO BIRMINGHAM FC IN THE FINAL OF LEAGUE SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE END OF WENGERS REIGN AT ARSENAL SORRY BUT THAT WAS A SHOCKING LOSS. ALSO LOSING TO BRADFORD WITH A FULL STRENGTH TEAM COME ON NOW LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. THEN TO RUB IT IN LOSING TO BLACKBURN AT HOME LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. THOSE ALONE ARE SACK-ABLE OFFENCES AT CHELSEA AND MAN CITY AND LOOK IM NOT A GLORY HUNTER AS YOU AKB KEEP SAYING OR A PLASTIC YOU FOLKS LOVE THAT ONE LOOOL. I HAVE SUPPORTED ARSENAL LONGER THAN YOU. I KNOW YOU ARE A WENGER BABY I.E POST 97 SO SEEM TO FEAR CHANGE WELL WE NEED ASAP. I ASLO PREDICTED ARSENAL WILL NOT WIN NOTHING UNDER WENGER EVER AGAIN IN 2009 AS I KNEW THIS MAN JUST DOES NOT LIKE SPENDING MONEY WHICH IS NOT EVEN HIS LOOOOOOOL SMH

  56. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 14, 2013, 23:26 #36463

    Carlos, i doubt if you will ever get an answer to that question, because if ogl was still here in eight years time Jamie and the rest of the cult would still be chanting and bowing at him, waiting for him to come good.

  57. Gooner89

    Jul 14, 2013, 22:53 #36462

    Seriously Jaime you need a reality check. AW is a clown. Another pre season lots of rumours yet the only signing is a 20 year old French league 2 striker who has already broken 2 legs. Wenger also presided over the stunning signings of Park, Sqillacui, Gervinho and Denilson. Losing to Bradford and Blackburn was acceptable. Nothing changes and it won't under AW. Another season of same old same old. Wenger out

  58. Gaz

    Jul 14, 2013, 21:48 #36461

    Ron-brilliant reply to Jamie mate.

  59. allybear

    Jul 14, 2013, 21:20 #36460

    Chris your spot on mate and why some people cant see that Wenger is the problem amazes me. Get him out and you will see the club improve dramatically. The fans are the ones who can make his position impossible.He has had enough chances time to go.

  60. Ron

    Jul 14, 2013, 20:29 #36459

    This Jamie character in his post 39209 betrays perfectly what he is by asking that question on the 70s etc. Jamie, football was a far different animal then. Domestic Cups were still well rated, there was no glass ceilings for teams below 5th. There wasn't the big cash pickings, but most importantly, fans weren't being ripped off left right and centre and the Clubs weren't bulls-----g and spinning routinely hence teams like us with the range of poor, average to exceptional players were well supported nonetheless and the bad days were accepted.The Club still challenged though. OK not for the title but always in the Cups. There was no aborting Cup tournaments then. Fans just wouldn't have tolerated it Most importantly the Board although being always a very rational and tolerant group did know when to remove a coach at least. But then they knew the game then, they had not derogated all of their powers to one stubborn individual as this lot have now to Wenger.You're a typical Wenger acolyte. You've known no different and you're frightened of change, There's no problem with that, but don't come on here and pretend you know anything of supporting the Club or the game itself pre Wenger days because you're clearly totally in the dark and well out of your depth. Anything post 2000 is about your limit fella and your attitude towards other views and posters stinks the house out. Stick to your play station ffs.

  61. Reg

    Jul 14, 2013, 18:42 #36458

    @ WeAreBuilding. Totally agree, happy to see GG go in 95 as the best days were behind him and had been for a few years. He did manage a few cups on the way down though, Arsene take note! Post 73 was similar with the best days behind Bertie and a much more successful project youth with Brady, O'Leary, etc coming through (Arsene take note!). There were idiots like Jamie about then too but the anonymity of the internet gives them a voice that wouldn't have been tolerated in person. By the way we survived it (especially in the 70's) because admission was the equivalent of a few pints of beer and the club didn't constantly lie to and take the piss out of its fans.

  62. Carlos

    Jul 14, 2013, 18:02 #36457

    @39212. Good answer, you could have added by reminding Jamie what happened to the then manager at the end of that season - he resigned. The truth is that Arsenal have not been consistent challengers for the title over the years, but likewise the truth is that no manager has survived for 8 seasons without delivering a trophy. I would ask Jamie if there would ever come a point when he would think the club may need a change of manager.

  63. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jul 14, 2013, 17:32 #36456

    Jamie @14.02: I reacted to the 94/95 season like most fans did, a shrug of the shoulders and thank heavens that George was gone. A great servant of the Arsenal whose day had been and gone, a bit like your hero AW. As for 74/75 and 75/76, I was a nipper back then but me old man told me that the 74/75 team was a poor one but there were a lot of other teams worse off that season, and the 75/76 team was pretty bad but raised their game enough in the Spring to stay up. BTW most of us survived those seasons before your hero AW pretty well seeing as we are still here to talk about it. Hey, we had a pretty good side in the late 70's that ultimately failed due to lack of investment. Sound familiar?

  64. NW68

    Jul 14, 2013, 15:00 #36455

    I think sone people on here should use the name toe nails. Why you ask? Because your so far up Wengers ass all you can see sticking out are your toe nails. This is a joke.

  65. JAMIE

    Jul 14, 2013, 14:02 #36453

    I hate to think how you nominal Arsenal fans managed to survive before the 2nd 3rd and 4th place Wenger finishes you so despise or were you as I suspect all Manure and Pool fans back then. You seem to think that pre Wenger Arsenal challenged for the title every season, you couldn't be further from the truth. I wonder how you would have reacted to the 12th place finish in 95 or the 16th and 17th place finishes in the mid 70's. Just goes to show that most of you are either JCL's, Glory Hunters or just have a selected memory.

  66. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jul 14, 2013, 11:43 #36452

    Good update as usual Kev - I know one thing - AW will not be so worried about saving the odd 10K when it comes to his new contract! We won't pay more than a 100K wages per week on a player but Arsene will get his 150K every seven days, no problem. Those who still attend home games think of it like this, for 150K per week you could maybe see the next Bergkamp, instead you will have to watch Arsene kick his water bottle into the dug out as another French wannabee misses from 5 yards! Cannot believe that there are fellow Gooners out there who actually think we might sign Wayne Rooney. The only W.R. we might sign is Wayne Routledge - possibly when Laudrup refuses to part with Ashley Williams for 6 million but says for that you can have Mr Routledge, Arsene sensing a deal says yes and thankfully concludes the Arsenal transfer business for this close season. (My comments contain no disrespect for Mr Routledge who scored last night in Swansea's 1-0 over Den Haag, thus maintaining Swansea's 100% record on their Dutch tour)

  67. Fozzys mate

    Jul 14, 2013, 10:38 #36450

    Jamie has taken the role of Joshua and prior to that Joe Fitzpatrick and Mandy Dodd in defending OGL no matter what the evidence. MSS and DDT have played a clever political game. They brief back and forth but their greatest success is making many fans think that Wenger invented Arsenal in 1996. The bottom line is that a club of Arsenals size and resources cannot be seen to be desparate to give a new contract to a manager that has won nothing for 8 years. The radio silence on transfers post the closure of the renewal window has confirmed the suspicions of many. With 5 weeks to go let's hope action replaces spin as I don't believe fans who know the club existed pre Wenger will tolerate an ever increasing cash reserve while the trophy cabinet remains empty. Try and fail sure, but don't try?

  68. My name is Bill and I'm a head case

    Jul 14, 2013, 1:29 #36449

    Please no not more years of wenger and a complete and utter lack of ambition. Spurs will overtake us next season and Liverpool the one after. And that shall be his legacy

  69. trevor

    Jul 13, 2013, 23:38 #36447

    Two season ago we had RVP he was the league top scorer, and what did we win sweet FA, what makes people think by signing higuain or rooney or even both will make a slight bit of difference.I believe we need a complete change of manager and fresh new idea's.

  70. JAMIE

    Jul 13, 2013, 21:43 #36445

    @Marcus 20:03. Of course you would never suck up to a manager your qoute 'THE GREAT ALEX FERGUSON' The trouble with you people is that praise is only allowed to be given to rival teams. Even though you folk hate being picked up for being fickle fans of Arsenal, your more than happy to accuse people who back Wenger as being quote 'Arsene FC supporters not Arsenal FC supporters'. You and the other sheep on here should try and come out with an original statement instead of the same old boring statements handed down by other nominal fans. Circular reasoning gets people nowhere.

  71. Bukszie

    Jul 13, 2013, 21:38 #36444

    Jamie u hav to ask urself that over time what will people remember. Is it who played brilliant football, who played in the final or is it the team that actually won the competition. U sound like a biased arsenal fan and were I come from we ignore that person once he starts talking

  72. MARCUS

    Jul 13, 2013, 20:03 #36443

    JAMIE YOU ARE SO UP WENGERS ASS ITS NOT QUESTIONABLE WHETHER YOU ARE A ARSENE FC FAN OR ARSENAL FAN I SUSPECT THE FORMER SMH. Such sycophants and praise singers like you are part of Arsenal\'s problem. You don\'t have to know a public figure personally to have an informed opinion on his performance. Its people like you who take Mr Wenger\'s word as the Gospel -even when his actions are to the contrary- who are DELUSIONAL

  73. MARCUS

    Jul 13, 2013, 19:52 #36442

    It is criminally negligent for the Arsenal Board to give Mr Wenger so much leverage. Not even the great Sir Alex had such powers. Mr Wenger behaves as if he invented the game. His singular ambition seem to negotiate for himself super contracts. He is a master-a ruthless capitalist- at that, but when it comes to signing good players he reminds us that Arsenal is a socialist entity. I pity the Arsenal scouting team. Every year they work hard only to be frustrated by the Almighty Mr Wenger in the end. And the docile Arsenal fans? So gullible; 'In Arsene we believe'. They pay such horrendous fees and keep on hoping. This wont happen in Manchester, Liverpool, Newcastle, Real Madrid, Munich etc. And the incompetent Mr Gazidis? He just tows the line and enjoys his super Emoluments. Wake up you Arsenal fans.

  74. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 13, 2013, 18:24 #36440

    Martin, of course they do mate, and it has been proved that we are (well not all of us anyway) TKOS and ogl have fans lapping it up, and will have right to the end, as usual.

  75. DW Thomas

    Jul 13, 2013, 18:17 #36439

    Wenger's comments of one or two quality signings has me quietly seething! Either he has some secret deals going on (not likely) or more of nothing (most likely). Today after reading his statement on the club website I feel more like mug than ever! He will never change/evolve to compete again with his mindset. Sure, keep doing the same things season in season out expecting a different result. Insanity! What more evidence can the fans need to begin a call for serious change. And on top of this he might get a new contract! You cant make this stuff up! Groundhog day again and i am sick of it! He talks as if we nurtureso many young home bred players? Who? Chamakh, park, gervinho,etc? Is the average fan really that dumb to believe his bs? Or do we just have too much love and hope for our team? The latter i hope!

  76. johnnyh

    Jul 13, 2013, 18:00 #36438

    really depressing but i suppose unsurprising reports in todays press say wenger is planning to sign a new contract. if true then i think i may give up on football. i really cant take three more years of this clown.

  77. CT Gooner

    Jul 13, 2013, 17:15 #36437

    And now my greatest fear has come to fruition, Wenger is discussing a new deal. Heck, at least we'll "make" that perennial new signing Diaby in January....

  78. au revoir wenger

    Jul 13, 2013, 17:05 #36436

    the paying arsenal fans are treated as idiots and to be fair if they keep swallowing all this bull**** from the club ,then maybe they are

  79. garyfootscrayaustralia

    Jul 13, 2013, 16:42 #36435

    To quote Jamie: "your (sic) always so quick to say how Wenger doesn't learn from his mistakes"...who belted us at home in the 2009 Champion's League semi - final, then belted us 8-2 in the league two years later? Clearly nothing was learnt from mistakes there. Nor the time that a revved - up Ox, having helped drag us back into the match was subbed off against the same opponents at home in the league, in exchange for the disinterested pudding formerly known as the footballer Andrei Arshavin. Nothing learnt from mistakes there either. None of those defeats were due to fluke incidents. The opposition were better organised and better prepared than our team on each occasion. For three more relevant examples from the season just past, see Swansea in the league and Blackburn in the F.A. Cup at home, and Bradford away in the League Cup. On each occasion the supposedly less talented opposition demonstrated more willpower,focus and application. The improvement in defending tight leads at the end of last season had Steve Bould's influence running right through it.

  80. Martin

    Jul 13, 2013, 16:27 #36434

    Interesting that absolutely nobody believes that the Suarez bid is anything other than a sop to the fans to make them actually believe that we are interested in buying big. Do they really think we are that stupid? Given that he has been banned for his racist taunts and biting, I'm also astounded that the club actually think the fans might be excited at his signing. I'm desperate to see a world class striker come along, but not that one. The harsh reality is that now with PSG & Monaco in the market, there are at least 7 or 8 clubs with bigger buying power than us, as someone else pointed out, there's very little for sale out there as I have no doubt IG and AW will point out soon. Let's hope higuain works out and why not 'swoop' for Demba BA if he is out of favour at Chelski?

  81. JAMIE

    Jul 13, 2013, 16:02 #36433

    Marcus. You are way of the Marcus yet again my friend. Fergy was awful in the early years at Manure when there was not the shedloads of cash available regularly finishing as low as 13th.George Graham was light years ahead of him in those early days. As was Wenger when he took over Fergy had to spend THREE times more to compete and had to use bullyboy tactics and anti-football to stop Arsenal and other top sides playing. You say Wenger has never won the Champions League so what! doesn't make him a bad manager, both United's triumphs under Fergy saw them outplayed and outclassed by Bayern and Chelsea, hardly great tactics by Fergy with two lucky late goals and John Terry slipping over the only difference. Also where was the great tactician Fergy two years ago when he bottled it going for a goalless draw away to Man City and deservedly losing costing Manure the title. Or the great tactician who allowed Barca to stroll about all over them in two Champions league finals your always so quick to say how Wenger doesn't learn from his mistakes.

  82. Tony

    Jul 13, 2013, 15:44 #36432

    In previous summers we have brought in loads of money from transfers £41m for Toure and Greedy,£55m for Cesc and Nasri and £40m for RVP and Song.This year we havent got a penny in.Dont rule out late sales of Podolski Sagna and until he got bloody injured TV.That would bring in about £25m.We wont buy till we sell.Thats how are club works

  83. MARCUS

    Jul 13, 2013, 14:07 #36431

    Look wenger is a good manager but he is certainly not a great one like Fergie even I have to admit that. Wenger is a great developer of youth talent and nurturing them thats all, but sorry he is a poor motivator and a poor tactician never has been never will be. He seems to have a massive ego also and hates input from outside or other opinion i.e all the problems with Bouldy whose not a yes man like Pat Rice was smh. In my opinion what made Fergie a great manager was the fact the last two seasons their team was not the best man for man but he made his players play for him and the shirt also the fans, he expected quality all the time and was a great motivator and instilled that in his teams. Also wenger has never won the the champions league sorry you cannot call yourself a great manager without that on your CV END OFF STORY!!!

  84. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Jul 13, 2013, 13:32 #36430

    Nothing's gonna change till Wenger and Kroenke are gone! How we can achieve that is the $64,000,000 question but we won't see a successful team again until someone with Ferguson's drive and bloody-mindedness takes over.

  85. Gaz

    Jul 13, 2013, 11:04 #36429

    Whatever we think of IG and SK the reality is neither of them are stupid. Indeed they're very far from it and possibly realise that to get rid of Wenger they're going to have to play a long game here. Let me explain (and apologies if I'm repeating myself here...). Arsene Wenger is unsackable at the moment. It really is as simple as that. He still has the support of roughly 66% of the fanbase (33% fully behind him and 33% quite happy to sit on the fence) and IG/SK know full well that any attempt to remove him will see those same fans in uproar and they'll turn against those they see responsible for the sacking of their messiah. So what do they do? They both know a failure to back him with a new deal will be parramount to sacking him anyway (thats exactly how the fans and the media would see it) so they have to back him. And if they back him they have to do it properly-no half measures-hence the very kind words about AW from IG recently. But are they happy with AW? Apparently he's buggering up a lot of the transfer negotiaions and IG/SK know he's responsible for a lot of the crap buys and stupid sallaries we've handed out to crap players. Throw in some terrible performances and general many woeful deafeats and you can bet that they're not entirely happy with him. So what can they do? Well, Gazidis once said the fans will ulimtimatly decide AW's future so they've set out on a very devious way to put the pressure on him rather than them. How though? Thnk about these recent comments from IG. At the same time he was lauding over AW he made it very clear (remember the 'we can afford to do more that 25m and 250k a week comment?) that we can now afford to spend and spend BIG! So if we dont who's gonna take the blame? IG and SK? Well no because they've made it clear AW can spend what he wants. Or AW? Who we keep hearing is indecisive and quite frankly useless in the fine art of negotiating (wonder who put those rumours about)? As I said earlier IG once said its the fans who'll ultimately decide AW's future and if we fail to spend big AND start the season slowly/poorly a lot of fans might just have to start questioning their own support for Wenger. And if the results dont improve that 'support' will snowball and the pressure really will be on him. Of course if we sign Higuain/Suarez AND Fellani in the next few weeks I'll eat my own post....

  86. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jul 13, 2013, 10:12 #36428

    Don't wanna pay £23m for Felliani. Don't wanna pay £10m for Williams. Don't wanna pay €27m for Higuain. Do wanna get a French 2nd div nobody on a free. Do wanna get another 3rd rate keeper. Good grief can you imagine if Liverpool had said yes to the £30m for Suarez? I have given up hoping about big names. All that will happen is a late dash to pick up some more cheap s**t players on nice big fat wages. Oh, and Diaby coming back will be "like a new signing".

  87. Paddy

    Jul 13, 2013, 9:49 #36427

    I wonder whether Jan and Jamie are the same person? Their comments are very similar. It seems that if you do not agree with his/her point of view then you must be Anti-Arsenal. Ridiculous. Does he/she really think people are going to come on here as regular as many of the posters do because they want to criticise the club? These are people who care deeply and in many cases are the fans who go home and away and cheer loudest. They need an outlet for their frustration and this provides it. Jan/Jamie/whoever you are - by all means debate with them, but I think you will find if you do it sensibly, you will be given far more respect, rather than coming out with stupid acronyms which I've never seen before and I visit a lot of other Arsenal sites.

  88. chika kalu

    Jul 13, 2013, 6:53 #36425

    senal and Wenger are toying with the fans faith and heart.We just cnt continue continue be mocked nd laughed at by Chelsea,Man United,and Man City fans,it is time the senseless Wenger should buy quality players and stop deciving himself with plyers like Yaya sagono Etc

  89. They Left And Won Trophies (TLAWT)

    Jul 13, 2013, 4:53 #36424

    Dear Fellow Gooner I know the frustration we both feel about the way our club is currently being run is sickening and I do not have health insurance.I am going to take the longest nap of my life to keep from losing my sanity as the cost of my season ticket won't be enough to cure me should I fall mentally ill.In your last letter to me you said you were taking a walk to the moon.Instead of hoping for influx of quality signings, my expectations have been reduced to hoping for the departure of the deadwood.Wake me when they finally ship out.And no, don't hang around waiting to wake me up.You go ahead and take your trip to the moon and back.This will take a while and I doubt I will miss anything different than what I have seen in the last 8 years.Stay Sane,Goonerly Yours (They left and won trophies-TLAWT)

  90. SLJ 1963 - 2013

    Jul 13, 2013, 2:15 #36423

    The box office e mailed to inform me i can defer my season ticket with a view to return 2014/15, that's a hell of a waiting list we've got,they'll be offering a taxi to the ground and back next,i would let gervinho have it one way to Roma or wherever, seen enough and heard enough lies, the end.

  91. MARCUS

    Jul 12, 2013, 23:01 #36421

    Look who can blame Bendtner. If i was getting paid £52k a week and, no other clubs were offering me that. I to would stay at Arsenal and milk until my contract expires like Arshavin and co. The people I blame are Wenger and Gazidis what a joke the pair of them. Why on earth would you other mediocre to crap player those sought of contracts in the first place???? Arsenal is in big decline and its only going to get worse footballing wise the longer wenger and co are in charge. We got lucky last season when we barely got fourth because the spuds blew it. Everybody was ranting and raving about how we looked good towards the end i.e the run in. Well i think a reality check is needed here. We played teams that we should beat it was a easy fixture list and when we came up against genuine good teams i.e Man u and Everton we drew. Also another glaring stat is that we only won one out of 12 of the matches against the top 6 last season and that was against a ten man Tottenham team after adebayor got sent off. I have a feeling that wenger believes that this team is good enough to win the premiership because of our little 10 game run in towards the end of last season well he has another thing coming to him if he believes that. I believe that if we do no buy atleast 3 world class players and 2 good to average than arsenal will not get fourth next season END OF STORY!!!!!!!!!!! ALSO IF WE START POORLY LIKE LAST SEASON WENGER AND CO MUST GO THE MAN IS LIVING OF HIS FIRST 8 YEARS SIMPLE. THE SECOND 8 YEARS HAVE BEEN A DISASTER FOOTBALLING WISE. MAYBE FINANCIALLY THEY HAVE BEEN GOOD BUT THAT MEANS NOTHING IF YOU ARE WINNING NOTHING.

  92. Peter Lavelle

    Jul 12, 2013, 21:48 #36420

    Groundhog Day anyone?

  93. Chris

    Jul 12, 2013, 20:10 #36416

    Bendtner does not have an over-inflated sense of his own worth Kev.Its Wenger who does.Bendtner didnt put a gun to Wengers head and say give me £52k a week.He was offered it by the club and he signed it.The same way that other players we cant get rid of Denilson Santos Djourou Chamakh and Squillaci were given contracts which buying clubs will not pay.So we loan them out while still paying their wages.The players can ask for all they want but only one man agree's it and thats Wenger the highest paid person at the club.He would rather pay average players big money than pay top class players what they deserve

  94. Steve Williams

    Jul 12, 2013, 19:59 #36415

    Way too many assumptions in here. We do not know what is going on with transfers, this club keep things quiet. If as reported, we are going for the more premium end of the market, that makes life more difficult, we are dealing with richer, less desperate clubs who may need to reel in their own targets before selling the likes of...say Higuain. And lets face it, suarez and rooney are not coming our way. that does not leave too many strikers if we really are playing at the top table.The French new rich have taken a lot of natural targets for the likes of Madrid, selling higuain may be just too much a risk at the moment, it may, just may not be down to wenger penny pinching or over negotiating...which I grant you, he has done in the past. I would like to see more activity, but if we have to wait to raise standards from transfers of recent years, so be it. If wenger really is stopping the club moving forward, he will be lit up brightly as doing so this summer and he really will have nowhere to hide, the fans will make his position untenable.

  95. GG89

    Jul 12, 2013, 19:46 #36414

    So now the Gooners have a reputation for being average so we get average players... We need a ball breaker for transfer dealings not too wet blankets (AW and The CEO) slapping each other on the back about signing sub 20 french unknowns...

  96. CanadaGooner

    Jul 12, 2013, 19:45 #36413

    @maguiresbridge gooner; thanks mate. I do hope we at least win our home games. It's sometimes unbearable watching Wenger make his first substitution on 85mins, when we're losing at home. Ah well, that's the life of a football fan I guess. See you at the games.

  97. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 12, 2013, 19:31 #36412

    Welcome home Canada, and just in time for the new season, or should i say the same as the rest.

  98. Don

    Jul 12, 2013, 19:10 #36411

    It amazed me how many Gooners were taken in by the £70m to spend and we will spend big.Where have you been the last 7 summers?.In a cave?Wenger never spends big.Our record transfer is still £15m.The Higuain transfer was up there with one of the best Gazidis pulling the wool over our eyes ever.And what about the totally joke rumours about getting Rooney and Suarez.If you want these two you bid a minimum of £40m not derisory bids of £20m and £30m.Typical Arsenal bid lower than the asking price then turn around to the fans with straight faces and say we tried to sign Rooney and Suarez.Wenger and Gazidis have no shame.We buy players to help us finish 4th not win trophies.And that will not change

  99. Green Hut

    Jul 12, 2013, 19:06 #36410

    nilz21- The problem with the BSM is that their stated agenda is to take issue with the board not Wenger, despite repeatedly asking questions about him in their poll and receiving a large percentage of responses wanting him gone. They are ignoring the elephant in the room, and at the moment are a safe haven for Wenger disciples.

  100. CanadaGooner

    Jul 12, 2013, 18:49 #36409

    Kevin, the problem is: are we recruiting players to get Top 4 or are we recruiting players to win a trophy or at least, avoid getting eliminated from every cup by a lower division side? It is very unlikely that Man Utd, Chelsea or Man City would buy the same way Wenger does, and expect to win anything. Man City started from scratch; so did Mourinho at Chelsea. Wenger had a chance to build on what he started out with (in his first 8 years) but chose to become a Financial Advisor to the board, and left his football behind. I challenge ANY arsenal fan who thinks we will do better this season, to a debate at any point in time and I will even buy the drinks! I am back permanently in London from the end of this month and will be at every home game (as time permits).

  101. CT Gooner

    Jul 12, 2013, 18:40 #36408

    I came into this close season really hoping things would be different, and it did seem like it would be. dead weight looked like it was being moved, but all that promise and hope has pretty much evaporated. Bentner and Santos are back, and I have no faith we'll strengthen appropriately. All we need now is to hear Wanger has signed a new contract!!!

  102. smithy

    Jul 12, 2013, 17:58 #36406

    We will sign Yu sless and Bug R all

  103. DW Thomas

    Jul 12, 2013, 17:52 #36405

    I agree this summer is depressing as far as Arsenal go. Yet, i keep checking the news 2-3 times a day to hear something good. Only stuff about Bendtner and Suarez. Way to fill us fans with hope! Gadzidis said we would be competing with the likes of Bayern Munich and other big clubs. We can't even match up to Spurs or Swansea in this window. I hope i eat those words, but the reality is we want top players when the club will only buy youth or 2nd best. A statement of intent needs to be made, only a few weeks left. Otherwise its time to increase our criticism for change, not sit on our hands. "Secrets" is Wenger's mantra now. How he always fills me with hope and confidence. No wonder rvp, cesc nasri et al left. Wouldn't you after too many years of failure with no change? I view only Jack as a player who would stick it out to prove he is a winner. But everyone has their limits. Then it just feels like a kick in the teeth when success is promised but never arrives. And by success i mean competing, not a guarantee.

  104. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 12, 2013, 16:44 #36403

    Mark, you forgot to mention that the 23 year old from Ligue 1 will be on 50k per week.

  105. nilz21

    Jul 12, 2013, 16:39 #36402

    My fellow frustrated and fellow gooners your voice is important ..do not lose heart we will through sheer will get our voices heard constructivly by the board. Time for action Join the BSM Boat party on 24th August.

  106. Ron

    Jul 12, 2013, 16:31 #36401

    Hi Kev - The very name Higuain is rather tedious. Im not convinced theres anything remotely happenening there and to be honest, if it was Higuain of say, Villareal rather than Real Madrid i doubt the fans enthusiasm would be there. Why is nobody else bothering with him seemingly? Its says a lot in my view.Arsenal fans are so primed for surreal exitement over players who are maybe not really that great as a result of being fed veggie diets of Bendtner, Chamackh, Walcott and Gervinho et al for so many years. Its quite sad. For my part, the same old numb feeling remains as its done for quite some years now. Theyve got enough for 4th place and theyre content in truth. Same old, same old will prevail this coming Season. No real quality big names, brought tob really make a difference are joining Arsenal fella.I hope to be proved wrong but a Higuain signing alone wont do it and it wont make a massive difference to that sqaud either.

  107. Mark

    Jul 12, 2013, 16:17 #36400

    I am totally disinterested in this transfer window now because I genuinely don't believe we will do anything significant.I can't even get excited about Higuain to be honest, I'm not his biggest fan and would prefer Rooney any day, however that won't happen either. Trust me - this Summer will be exactly the same as all the others. Lots of noise, lots of faffing about and we end up with a 23 year old striker from Ligue 1 with a record of 10 goals in 93 appearances or something like that. Nothing will change at Arsenal until the board and management change, it's so dull now that I don't even get angry about it anymore. What's the point? My interest dwindles year on year and it's because we seen all this before. Wake up and understand that we are mediocre punching above our weight. It will be years before we challenge for the title again. Thank goodness for the ashes

  108. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 12, 2013, 16:06 #36399

    Paying all these wasters like Bendtner the dough they are/were earning is a sackable offence on its own (before you even take into consideration all the other reasons)and indeed that would have been the case at any other club. TKOS has laser sharp focus alright and we all know WHERE it's really concentrated on.