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What do you do with your old programmes?



The Hoard

What will you do with yours?


As we are pushing the boat out to ensure healthy sales of The Gooner this season – our long term survival depends on it - you will have to forgive us when we use issue content to provide inspiration for online exclusives. Hey, any excuse to shoehorn a plug for the publication that funds this very website. In the current issue (on sale this Saturday v Villa), Ian Henry writes on the reality of owning a large collection of Arsenal programmes with minimal value and their fate.

I am occasionally asked by people with similar collections what they think they are worth, with a view to their actually doing something to dispose profitably of a hoard of programmes never touched, and taking up space. Sometimes it is a move of house that triggers a realisation that people would not actually miss their collections at all if they suddenly disappeared – and that over the years, as they expand, they can start to take up a fair bit of room. I wonder how many collections now exist in boxes in the attic, never to be disturbed until the time comes to call the removal men, or sort through the effects of the deceased owner.

The sad truth is that for any home programmes issued since 1960, they are worth not very much at all. If someone was to apply for a council licence to sell them outside the Arsenal stadium on home matchdays, they might get something approaching what they had invested in them, if they were to stick it out for a few months. But obviously the outlay in terms of paying the council for the right to trade would negate that income.

So the options are either try and shift them on ebay (difficult as demand isn’t great), sell them at a knockdown price in bulk to a dealer (knockdown price meaning a pittance), give them away or recycle the things.

What is interesting is that after this exercise, many decide against buying future programmes. The realisation dawns that it is a matchday habit. It’s one that is justified if you actually read the publication and find enough in it to feel you have got your money’s worth, and in the case of those making train journeys to and from the game, there is the time to actually read the thing. However, over the years, there has been a reaction to the content from some buyers, with the perception that the programme is simply another variant of club PR/spin. In fairness, what else would you expect? However, it grates more when things obviously aren’t what people would like, so the consistent painting of everything as rosy in the garden has unquestionably lost buyers.

The irony of this is that The Gooner has lost a section of its readership for, in contrast, a perception that the fanzine is knocking the club. In reality, we try to present a balance of views, although if not enough positive articles are submitted, we are in a difficult position. The truth of the situation at the club is that things are not black and white. There are good things going on (for example the shedding of a lot of unwanted players this summer) and bad things (the unfathomable delay in replacing them with better options).

To get back to the programme, it sells less now than it did to smaller crowds at Highbury. The major reason is not so much dissatisfaction with the content, as the sheer plethora of information freely available elsewhere – especially online. Why pay for something to read when you have other reading matter for free – and more objective to boot (with the exception of Arsenal.com naturally)?

Like the Gooner, it is also available in electronic form, for those that like their reading matter on their tablet or phone. So if you do still want to read it, but value your space, there is your solution. No problems down the years when you realise you have not looked at the thing since the day of the game. You can’t help but wonder if, in maybe 15 years time, the printed matchday programme might be a thing of the past.

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  1. JH

    Aug 18, 2013, 11:11 #37612

    Hi Gooners, Charlton fan here - with a Gooner brother who often contributes to the fanzine. I agree with this article, I have been collecting programmes since the mid 70s but half way through last season I made the decision to stop buying anymore. Cost and lack of storage space in my small flat were the main reasons. Buying a programme was always a part of the match-day ritual and now that I no longer do it, it feels like a little bit of the whole match-day experience has died. I don't want to throw my vast collection (of not just CAFC programmes) away, but as your article says I know it will be almost impossible to make any money either by flogging through ebay or to a collector. So what do I do? Good luck for the season guys/girls, but as my brother often says, with Whinger Wenger in charge the future doesn't look good.

  2. Andy D.

    Aug 16, 2013, 22:52 #37525

    Kev. Write a book on Arsenal programmes. Example rare and special programmes. Collectors items such as the postponed games and other games like the Arsenal v Rangers games and the friendlies played at Highbury.

  3. Andy D.

    Aug 16, 2013, 22:03 #37522

    With my Arsenal big match programmes such as finals or special games played at Highbury I put them in frames with match reports and hang them around the house, My wife don't like it but who cares lol.

  4. Green Hut

    Aug 16, 2013, 21:01 #37520

    JM- LONDON- That's right mate, you never quite knew what you were looking at at the start of the season then just as it began to make sense you got knocked out by Middlesbrough and it was all pointless!

  5. JM - LONDON

    Aug 16, 2013, 20:43 #37519

    Ha, I forgot about the Cup Final vouchers. If we got to a Cup Final then there would be a pull out like application form to which you had to paste your vouchers, as I recall the vouchers actually made up a jigsaw like picture?. What an innocent way to get a Cup Final ticket, that or slip Stan Flashman £25 outside the old East Stand.

  6. Monkeymaw

    Aug 16, 2013, 20:38 #37518

    Still have lots of programmes in the loft along with videos, fanzines including the Gooner and the Gunners magazine from the 80s/90s. I will let my kids have them if they want them when they are a bit older. Recently found a boxed Arsenal mug from 94 and an unworn scarf up in a box too. All with the old crest which I think look great. Really liked buying the fanzines at the games over the programme which was always a bit bland. Loved reading readers opinions in the fanzine although due to football information overload these days I don't really care what others think. I might purchase the Gooner mag App this month though out of interest.

  7. Pete Mountford

    Aug 16, 2013, 20:08 #37517

    Great article, my solution was to sell all mine to The Gunners pub back in 1992 so they could put them all over the walls (yes they were mine!), i needed the money for going to the USA to live (for a few years as it turned out), and I still get to see them when i want. perfect solution!!

  8. Green Hut

    Aug 16, 2013, 19:50 #37516

    Never bought every home programme but they used to come in very handy for the Cup Final vouchers so if we got there had to beg and borrow for the ones I'd missed. Bought every away programme till early 90's then Luton charged something silly like £2.50 and I realised I could get a lot of beer for that so programmes were knocked on the head. Makes The Gooner's price for the last decade seem a snip and for that you're actually reading someone's opinion rather than sanitised dross.

  9. Gnasher

    Aug 16, 2013, 19:01 #37515

    Been thinking for a while what I should do with my programmes. I will be keeping the complete sets from the 2006 (last at Highbury), 2004 (Invincibles) and 2007 (first at Ashburton) just in case they are worth something later on but other than these I see little point in allowing them to take up still more boxes in my loft!

  10. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 16, 2013, 17:42 #37513

    A good idea trying to flog them outside the ground on match days. But probably wouldn't be worth it with the fees, and especially if the club wanted their cut. A lad i know used to take all his dads old and new programmes, around the local doctors, and health centers waiting rooms on a regular basis thinking he was being decent and helping out, but stopped doing it after they all started getting nicked.

  11. JM - LONDON

    Aug 16, 2013, 17:34 #37512

    I used to have boxes of programmes from the 70's and early 80's (home and away). Thats when I took a break from watching Arsenal (late teens, joined the Army). By the time I began to re visit the Arsenal I don't know what happened to them. These days I always buy a programe, usually the current Gooner and occasionally one of the the other publications the Gooner seller may have to hand. However, I don't keep them anymore and always pass them on after a week or so to another Gooner for him or his son/daughter who (usually financially) doesn't get to the Arsenal, I like to think I'm spreading the word here!. Somebody at work who has an amatuer interest in antiques was recently punting about in a country antique shop out in the Costwolds where upon he stumbled across a bundle of old Arsenal programmes. He haggled and, with me in mind, paid just 50p the lot!. All of the 20 or so programmes were from my early era, including the 78 FA Cup semi final at stamford bridge against Orient. Though delighted to see these old programmes again, weren't they basic back in those days?, I passed them on to an old Gooner down the pub who was absolutely thrilled have them and add to his already heavily insulated loft!.

  12. Adrian Wagenaar

    Aug 16, 2013, 17:27 #37511

    Kev - I have programmes going back to 1948 right up to present day (The 1948 - 1960 ones were my father's) They are in a tea chest in the loft, I could never part with them, for they are so much a part of my life. Kev - as for knocking the club, how can you not comment on the fact that one of the richest clubs in the world arrives at the start of the season with barely 11 fit players. At the best the management of Arsenal has been dilatory, at worse, they have suffered a clear dereliction of duty and in any other walk of life heads would roll!

  13. Der Projekt ist Kaput

    Aug 16, 2013, 13:25 #37497

    I recently moved to a smaller house and recycled all my (virtually complete) programmes from when we moved to the Soccerbowl - except for DB's testimonial. I thought perhaps the act would prove to be impossible when the moment came and I would change my mind. But although I was surrounded by a sense of wrong doing, it actually became a cathartic experience. A very small and humble protest maybe in response to the lost years since moving from Highbury. Have kept all my Gooners, though!