Have Arsenal lost their class?

talkSPORT stirs the pot



Have Arsenal lost their class?


On Tuesday morning, I started the day in my usual routine, woke up, drove to work stopping for a coffee on the way, and listened to Alan Brazil on talkSPORT discussing Arsenal’s latest transfer bid - £10m for Newcastle’s Yohan Cabaye. Alan was discussing with Spandau Ballet’s Martin Kemp whether Arsenal had lost their class? The £10m bid was described as ‘disrespectful’ by Alan Pardew and I have to agree totally. Not only in my opinion is this a panic bid but the bid itself is very low and, coming only a few hours before they played their first league game, shows a lack of respect towards Newcastle.

In the words of John W. Henry ‘What are they smoking?’

It pains me to say it but, if Pardew is correct, is that how we do business now? By making what could be described as a ‘cheeky’ bid only a few hours before a club is meant to play a game? After a bid like that, does anyone at Arsenal think that Newcastle is going to want to do business with the club?

This summer has been a disaster in terms of Arsenal’s reputation in the transfer market, after being linked with the likes of Higuain, Gustavo and Suarez who have either moved to other clubs or decided to stay at their current club. Have Arsenal lost their class? Alan Brazil raised the point that the bids of £10m and £40,000,001 for Cabaye and Suarez respectively show that Arsenal are either out of touch with the transfer market or have lost the class that the club was once famous for.

Alan also raised the point that Arsenal Honorary Director Lady Nina Bracewell-Smith has come out saying ‘I deeply regret selling to Kroenke’. Also that Arsenal should ‘bring David Dein [back] and give [Alisher] Usmanov representation on the board if we are to have success going forward’.

The question has to be asked, is it the current board that is to blame for the current issues or is it the manager? I have stood by Arsène through the past few years and still believe he is the right man for the job. I do believe that Arsène has not helped the situation by making statements such as ‘Every club is finding it hard to find the right players’ – which every fan can see is simply not true. Take our neighbours down the road; they seem to be finding new faces with ease.

Something needs to change very quickly. We are quickly becoming a joke and a club that was once known for its class is self-destructing. Unfortunately, I feel that in terms of this transfer window it is too late and that any signing made will be panic buys such as Cabaye.


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  1. David P

    Aug 23, 2013, 7:14 #38068

    Agree with the above and your question is it the board or manager to blame I would say board/Gazidis but Wenger has to much say on everything. The club and Wenger has been lost since Dein has not been at the club. If Dein was in position not Gazidis the last few years we would of bought better players in turn keeping people like Nasri, Cesc and RVP and also this summer he would of sold the club better and put in more serious bids for Higuain, Gustavo, Fellaini, Williams and others linked to.

  2. tpm

    Aug 22, 2013, 15:26 #38042

    sad sad tottenham fan, kosher kid. get a life, get laid, a girlfriend or wife maybe, surely you have something better to do with your time than post stupid remarks on an arsenal site (ask neutral fans who is far bigger, you are us, we all know what they would answer). if you havent got anything better to do with your time i feel even more sorry for you than i do now. if you do have a gf/wife, may i suugest you look to upgrade them to a more attractive model as you clearly have no desire to spend time with them, as you would rather just spend your time being a saddo on a rival clubs forum. geez. get a life pal.

  3. Gary Mabbutt is my Leader

    Aug 22, 2013, 11:35 #38021

    Spurs dominated the 1960's, winning title after title, and are the only team ever bar Preston not to win the title in colour. Even though our greatest ever player Jimmy Greaves has often said he'd have rather played for Arsenal, Alan Brazil of Talk Sport has predicted we will finish above Arsenal this year and Adrian Durham has said Arsenal will finish 10th and Spurs will be champions.

  4. Kosher Kid

    Aug 22, 2013, 11:32 #38020

    I can see that my work here is done. I will pop back from time to time to see how you are all getting on but, in the meantime, you kids play nicely.

  5. RJ

    Aug 22, 2013, 10:51 #38017

    @Kosher - I rescind the "f*** off down the lane comment" (although you probably should) - it is great to have you here because you are diverting the in-fighting to out-fighting. It is nice to have a mildly humorous diversion from the normal AKB/AMG sh**. Well played sir. Spud will still never be anything as good as the Gunners though - whatever you regard or disregard.

  6. Seven Kings Gooner

    Aug 22, 2013, 10:28 #38016

    Kosher : Arsenal invented the modern game - floodlights, numbers on shirts, countdown clocks, Physiotherapy and we beat the World Champions Italy in 1934 when we supplied 7 players for England. We have won the league at your ground as many times as you have won the league. I will leave my mate Ron to finish off the reasons why you will never have Arsenal's history and standing in the game. My father always told the joke about the Gooner on his death bed and how he asked his son to enrol him in the Spurs Supporters club after much arguing he carried out his father's wishes. The son came back to his bedside and told him why did he have to do such a terrible thing, "son it is better that one of those b*stards snuff it than one of us"

  7. Dave

    Aug 22, 2013, 10:22 #38014

    Sounds like sour grapes. NU lost; if they had won 4-0 would Pardew have been complaining or trying to deflect attention? In the end it depends who made the bid public. Did AW broadcast live through Newcastle radio that Arsenal were making a swoop an hour before kick off? When it comes to business, money talks - if Arsenal want him NU will sell at the right price. Clunky but nothing that can't be repaired.

  8. Noz

    Aug 22, 2013, 9:20 #38012

    Dear Spudz, it's simple. Come back when you have won 2 titles in our back yard. Hell, you can even come back if you finish above us for the first time in not far off of 2 decades! You haven't won the title in over half a century, HALF A CENTURY! Thanks for cheering me up this morning though, taking the p/ss out of you lot is like shooting fish in a barrel. Run along wannabes! ;-)

  9. Ossies Dream

    Aug 22, 2013, 9:14 #38011

    If you only count league titles won between 1951 to 1961, then Spurs would be top.

  10. Cyril the Cockerel

    Aug 22, 2013, 8:50 #38010

    @MARCUS.If you add the League Titles Spurs(2) have won to the League titles Chelsea(4) have won. Add on the title we could win this year(1) times them by two then Spurs are ahead of Arsenal.

  11. MARCUS

    Aug 22, 2013, 4:55 #38006

    Tottenham fans like this Like the Kosher Kid make me laugh like they try and talk nonsense about Arsenal like they are a bigger club loool. It makes me laugh you are not a big club get that through your heads lol. How many people came to see you in Asia loooooooooooooool. What is your worldwide fan base saying looooooooooool. Again I only document facts not nonsense. Again I will ask you why have you not finished ahead of arsenal for the last 8 years when we have gone through a awful time squad wise??? Even if we finished ahead of you last season by 1 point that was probably are worst ever squad for a long time anyway. Yet you still failed, you had a 8 point lead oh facts hurting boy lol. Yet you blew it as usual. You talk about europe lool look what have you done in europe??? you need to think before you try criticize

  12. MARCUS

    Aug 22, 2013, 4:42 #38005

    THIS KOSHER KID IS DELUDED LIKE A LOT OF TOTTENHAM FANS LOL. LOOK WHEN LAST DID YOU FINISH AHEAD OF ARSENAL IN THE PREM??? SIMPLE QUESTION. EVEN WITH ARE WORST SQUADS FOR THE LAST COUPLE SEASONS WHO HAVE STILL NOT FINISHED AHEAD OF US THAT TELLS YOU ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT TOTTENHAM. YOU HAVE NEVER WON THE PREMIERSHIP OR COME CLOSE TO IT YOU HAVE ONLY WON THE FISRT DIVISION AS IT WAS CALLED PRE 1992 TWICE, PLEASE JUST GIVE IT UP. YOU NEED A REALITY CHECK I JUST DROP FACTS NO NEED FOR INSULTS, JUST FACT. YOU HAVE NEVER FINISHED AHEAD OF ARSENAL NOW FOR HOW MANY YEARS LOOOL. THE LAST 8 YEARS HAVE BEEN SOME OF THE WORST AT ARSENAL AND YOU STILL CAN NOT FINISH AHEAD OF US LOL. YOUR NOT A BIG CLUB NEVER HAVE BEEN. DELUDED

  13. Kosher Kid

    Aug 22, 2013, 0:53 #38004

    maguiresbridge gonad; I am getting a bit of a vibe from you. You say you're not interested in what I have to say and yet you continually read my drawn out, statistic filled, prose and feel the need to respond. Reggie was quite clear how he felt about the current "poor" AFC team and the improvement at THFC. We have established that and managed to build a little rapport and understanding. Reggie, or Reg, as I now know him is quite a decent sort of chap. Very reasonable and open minded. If you don't mind me saying you seem a bit narrow minded when you don't agree with someone else's point of view. By the way, could you check on Ron for me. He lives in quite a modest 3 bed semi, but for some reason he is thinking of converting the bathroom into a 4th bedroom. Be better if he didn't start the work during the night.

  14. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 22, 2013, 0:40 #38003

    Kosher, in case you haven't noticed it's an Arsenal blog(maybe your lost and that's why your still here and your mate has joined you)and i read every post and the reason i'm responding is to tell you that i'm not in the least bit interested in what you have to say no matter how long drawn out it is, (fair or not) but obviously that hasn't hit home yet (and it's no real surprise) but i can't speak for others on here like Reggie who think you talk good stuff, so i suggest you bring his comments up with him, but he is certainly right in what he says about a poor Arsenal being better than a good spuds side, and if your insulted by that, or anything i said earlier then your very easily insulted indeed, because the hold Arsenal have had over the spuds all these years you should be well used to it by now. FOREVER IN OUR SHADOW.

  15. Kosher Kid

    Aug 22, 2013, 0:29 #38002

    Ron. I can see you are upset regarding the 1930's bragging rites so I apologise profusely for the suggestion that the trophies you won before the second world war are irrelevant. For the record AFC won a further 7 major trophies in the period from their formation until 1948. THFC won 2 major trophies during the same period. How come you are all so sensitive? It's not as if I have accused you of living in the past is it? I didn't even mention your dreadful record in Europe either. I know it must be tempting to look backwards to a better time when things are not going so well but it shows no class Ron. Think about the future!

  16. Daniel Wynne (Chairman of Spurs supporters club)

    Aug 21, 2013, 22:41 #38001

    If you take away all Arsenal's titles won before the year 1998 times our titles by two, then we are the most successful club in North London.

  17. Chris

    Aug 21, 2013, 22:35 #38000

    According to the Guardian, the intial approach was made several days before Monday and things progressed fomr there. Hilarious how our own fans are so keen to sick the knife in that they now even jump on the hysterical uterrings that the likes of Prdew come out with in a desperate attempt to deflect form their own abject failure. Deary me....

  18. Ron

    Aug 21, 2013, 22:18 #37999

    Kosher - Oh, i see your point now! Its a bit like saying that if i 'disregard' the bathroom, my house goes way up in value as its really a 4 bedroom place and not a 3 bed? Or, thinking about it, its really a detached place and not a semi if i 'disregard' the neighbours half. Brilliant. I ll make a pretty packet on this place after all. Nothing like a choice bit of 'disregarding' is there? And you wonder why Gooners have for decades called the spuds fans delusional!

  19. Kosher Kid

    Aug 21, 2013, 22:02 #37998

    Ron. What I actually said was if you disregard the 5 titles AFC won in the 1930's there wasn't much between the two clubs in the post war period, after WW2, from 1946 - 1989. During this period AFC won 3 league titles in 1948, 1953 and 1971. THFC won 2 league titles in 1951 and 1961. In the FA cup AFC won 3 in 1950, 1971 and 1979. THFC won 5 FA cups during this period in 1961,1962,1967,1981 and 1982. AFC won one League cup in 1987. THFC won the League cup twice in 1971 and 1973 In Europe AFC won The Fairs Cup in 1970 In Europe THFC won Cup Winners Cup in 1963 and the UEFA Cup in 1972 and 1984. So, during the post war period from 1946 - 1989. AFC - 8 major trophies THFC = 12 major trophies. From 1989 - 2013 AFC - 12 major trophies THFC - 3 major trophies I accept that in the period from 1989 onwards AFC have not only won more trophies than THFC they have done so in some style under Arsene Wenger. However my point was that prior to the 1990's there was not much between the clubs, when you disregard AFC's 1930's success under former Tottenham man Herbert Chapman. I think that is a fair statement based on the post ww2 trophy count.

  20. steve

    Aug 21, 2013, 22:00 #37997

    Well! tonight arsenal were class....hope this may calm things down for a bit...support your team...

  21. RDT - 4

    Aug 21, 2013, 21:46 #37996

    And Kosher, you've completely misunderstood my astonishingly simple post and I can't be bothered to explain it to you.

  22. Ron

    Aug 21, 2013, 21:09 #37995

    YouRE still here Kosher then, Shame. On your point about there being not much between the Clubs until the late 80s, i suppose 8 titles to your 2 wasn't much if you say it quickly. Lad, The spuds are a joke club. Always have been and your whole reason for existing is shaped by your petty jealousy of the neighbours. Your own Jimmy Greaves said it all when at his peak i.e 'when spurs went to Highbury it was a stark reminder that Spurs wouldn't ever become an Arsenal' . Even more recently hes made the same point. If you weren't there, in your swamp, on the edge of London, nobody would mention you fella. Not sure if you ever get out into the provinces, but Tottenham simply don't exist top side of the M25 as far anybody else is concerned.

  23. Kosher Kid

    Aug 21, 2013, 20:52 #37993

    maguiresbridge gooooner. You state; " Kosher, you may have been fair and balanced but i think what Ron, R2D_2, and myself, are trying to tell you and it can't be put any simpler than RJ has already put it, is we're just not interested in what you have to say." - Post No. 40783 If you are not interested in what I have to say; 1. Having read my first, (very long), post why are you reading and responding to my subsequent posts? 2. Why are you reacting to my; " fair and balanced " posts with insults? Your mate Reggie seems to be a more civilised sort and has stated; " A poor Arsenal are still better than a good Spurs" and "Take the last two seasons Arsenal although we were poor by our standards still out scored and had a better defence than Spurs with a far superior goal average". Reggie acknowledges that the current AFC squad are indeed "poor". He also agreed with the sentiment of the point I was making regarding the improvement at THFC since season 05-06 when he stated; " I watched a bit of Spurs last season and in general I thought they were pretty poor, though to be fair they are miles ahead of what they used to be". This confirms my view that what has happened since season 2005-2006 is that; 1. AFC have not won any trophies. 2. The consensus of opinion among supporters of AFC is that finishing 4th is more desirable. 3. The quality of the squad at AFC has been declining since season 05-06 4. The real problem is that THFC improving while AFC have been declining has now become a further concern for supporters of AFC. 5. Recent events are all the more galling because THFC now appear to have more ambition in the transfer market than AFC and are attracting the type of player previously signed by Arsene Wenger during the golden period of success. I appreciate that these are frustrating times for you however; When Reggie described AFC as "Poor" he meant by the standards set by past AFC teams. I would speculate that the very best AFC teams have been managed by Arsene Wenger and this would appear to be the source of your current problems. Some of your support still believe in Wenger, other elements do not. THFC had a similar situation when George Graham managed the team to a trophy winning season. Some supporters said if George Graham was helping Spurs the supporters should get behind him. Others took the view that he was AFC through and through and would never give him credit.

  24. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 21, 2013, 19:06 #37991

    Kosher, you may have been fair and balanced but i think what Ron, RTD_4, and myself, are trying to tell you and it can't be put any simpler than RJ has already put it, is we're just not interested in what you have to say.

  25. Reg

    Aug 21, 2013, 18:36 #37989

    The only people who lack class at Arsenal are the minority so called fans who say they want Arsenal to lose so Wenger gets the boot, can't stand those glory hunting cry baby w******.

  26. Reggie

    Aug 21, 2013, 18:21 #37986

    GoonerMAC is spot on in what he said there's nothing wrong in any of Arsenal's bids. As far as the Geordie boys are concerned I have always liked them, the same with Sunderland when I was in the forces had loads of great weekends up in the North East. Kosher Kid, says some good stuff though you have to remember that Arsenal are always judged harder by the media than any other club. A poor Arsenal are still better than a good Spurs. Take the last two seasons Arsenal although we were poor by our standards still out scored and had a better defence than Spurs with a far superior goal average. I watched a bit of Spurs last season and in general I thought they were pretty poor, though to be fair they are miles ahead of what they used to be.

  27. Kosher Kid

    Aug 21, 2013, 17:25 #37981

    For the attention of RDT - 4, maguiresbridge goner and Ron. I think I was quite balanced and fair regarding the achievements of the two North London Clubs over the last 22 years. I know you had your 1930's history, which THFC didn't, but that aside, prior to 1991, I don't think there was much between the two clubs. We had the sixties double team and European pioneers, you had the early seventies double. THFC won trophies in the early seventies too, AFC won one FA cup in 1979. THFC won a few trophies in the early to mid eighties AFC won a few in the late eighties. Winning the league again in 89 and 91 is when things began to turn things in AFC's favour. I acknowledge that while THFC had ten mediocre seasons, between 1995 and 2005 AFC enjoyed a golden period in your clubs history. I think there has been a shift since season 2005 - 2006. THFC are once again in a challenging position. AFC, by their own high standards, set by the current manager, are now experiencing a downturn in respect of trophies won and quality of football. No need for personal insults, telling me to 'grow up' or referring to the mighty Tottenham Hotspur Football Club as 'Spuds'. I did smile that one of your supporters prefers to lose the CL final than actually win a trophy. Wenger must be right about finishing 4th after all. But where is the class of Bergkamp, Henry, Vierra, Cole, Pires, Fabregas, Van Persie etc. It's your blog, it's your club. You asked the question. Don't blame me if you don't like the answer.

  28. RDT - 4

    Aug 21, 2013, 16:12 #37975

    Kosher, in the last 8 years we've also been to the champions league final, moved to a new stadium and qualified for the champions league every season. I'd take that over your poxy carling cup.

  29. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 21, 2013, 15:50 #37972

    Kosher, we have our problems now but their not that serious that we'll be worrying about the spuds anytime soon. When the spuds have matched all those Arsenal honors you've mentioned (it's good to see you know them of by heart) then come back and talk to us.

  30. Ron

    Aug 21, 2013, 15:14 #37970

    Grow up Kosher. Tottenham have improved no doubt, but there certain things in life that 'just are'. One is that Tottenham are a shadow of Arsenal, however bad we are. Take a look at your Clubs honours list across its history. You're barely out of the blocks fella. Your signings this close season are all typical spurs signings too. Seem OK ,but underneath them isn't a great deal. We re a shambles at the moment, but it ll pass, Wenger or no Wenger. Tottenham have their station in life and you're at it now, It wont get much better and most sensible Spurs fans know it.

  31. Ron

    Aug 21, 2013, 15:01 #37969

    The class s still there but the nous has gone. Discussing class in context of a comment that supreme tosser Pardew is simply not conscionable anyway! His comment was used as a way to excuse their crushing defeat. As if a bid would throw a whole clubs match plans into turmoil! How utterly, freaking Pardewesque stupid! PS Why the hell is Wenger even looking at yet more French 2nd rate journeymen anyway? Its high time we showed some class with the way we sign off P45 s and handed him his.

  32. DANNYJW

    Aug 21, 2013, 14:45 #37967

    Just to clarify: Arsenal are fighting for fourth with Liverpool and Spurs. The top three will be Chelsea and the two Manchester Clubs. You don't need to be Mystic Meg to predict that!

  33. Kosher Kid

    Aug 21, 2013, 14:16 #37965

    FAO JP the Noocarsul 'supporter'. You asked " why does a spurs fan need to be here?" This blog was picked up by the THFC Newsnow site under the headline; "Have Arsenal lost their class?" I responded to the blog in a reasonable manner having read it and tried to understand why a Supporter of AFC is questioning the quality or 'class' of his own club. I did not come on this blog and abuse AFC or any of their supporters on a personal level. I observed that most neutral critics, in the media, have generally asserted that THFC should have finished ahead of AFC in the Premier League in the last two seasons. On both occasions THFC were in a strong position, several points clear of AFC, yet still finished behind them after 38 games. I believe that THFC currently have a superior playing squad to AFC. I also pointed out that it was my belief in 2006 that AFC were miles ahead of THFC. I notice nobody has pulled me up on either of these points. I am a little surprised you regard Sunderland as a smaller club than Newcastle. I understand that Sunderland last won the league in 1936 and have won it 6 times in their history. I believe Newcastle last won the league in 1927 and have won it 4 times. Sunderland last won the FA cup in 1973 and Newcastle last won it in 1955. In fact the last trophy NUFC won was the inter city fairs cup in 1969. To be fair to NUFC they are a decent club but are not a bigger club than Sunderland as I have just proved. Sunderland have won domestic trophies more recently than NUFC and both clubs have a very similar history if the truth were to be told. To be regarded as a big club you need to continually retain your top flight status, win trophies at least once in each decade, attract sell out home attendance consistently and do things in style. You stated " Spurs will NEVER be better than Arsenal, i know what small club syndrome (sunderland for us) looks like and how being overshadowed by a local rival makes fans say stupid things. I put it to you sir that it is you that has said stupid things because Sunderland are clearly your equal if not more recently successful than NUFC. Your perception of NUFC is not reality. I acknowledged AFC have been much more successful than THFC in the last 22 years. THFC have won 2 League Cups since 1991 AFC have won the league three times, the F.A. cup 5 times, the league cup once and the Cup winners cup once. 10 trophies against 2 proves that over a 22 year period AFC have enjoyed more success. However in the last 8 of those 22 years AFC have won nothing. THFC have won 1 trophy. The only thing AFC have done in those 8 years is finish above THFC in the league...just. Your assertion that THFC will "never" be bigger than AFC is clearly looking quite fragile. THFC look stronger than AFC on the pitch, at this moment in time. In recent seasons THFC have been getting closer to AFC and in the last two seasons it has been very close indeed. Once THFC have completed the construction of their new ground the clubs will be on a comparable level in all currently relevant criteria. Looking on the bright side I think NUFC will stay up but I wouldn't be surprised if you finish behind Sunderland. :-)

  34. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Aug 21, 2013, 13:41 #37961

    Mistake no.1 - listening to that radio station. Cut that one out at source and you'll feel much better for doing it, trust me.

  35. RJ

    Aug 21, 2013, 13:37 #37960

    @Kosher Kid. Thanks for reminding me that no matter how s*** things may seem at the Emirates, I should give thanks to God everyday that I am a Gunner not a Spud. Now, as we are often saying to each other on this site "Why don't you f***off down the Lane".

  36. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 21, 2013, 13:36 #37958

    OGL has no respect for anybody especially other managers, most especially us fans, but expects total respect back, no demands it, well he has lost all respect with what he has done to this club and turned it into and yes some are saying a joke. You can imagine the out cry from OGL if other clubs did that to us, although he probably would use it as an excuse for the defeat as it unsettled the players. Our reputation is at an all time low now in every department, we have no class anymore especially not on the most important part the pitch, and it's all down to the lack of class we have in the managers seat.

  37. Kevin Kong

    Aug 21, 2013, 13:21 #37955

    Agree with GoonerMac- The only reason this is beong talked about as an issue is because pardrew is crying. Where has this Alan Pardrew Transfer Etiquette Code suddenly come from? Its the flaming transfer window. Theres bids going in all over the place. Mourinho is talking about how he is going to get Rooney 7 days a week- I dont see Moyes going crying to the press about lack of class. A bid is a bid. If you dont want to sell dont. Bit of a joke as well all this coming from Pardrew.

  38. JP

    Aug 21, 2013, 13:00 #37954

    First off, i'm a newcastle fan. I don't blame aresenal for a second as to when they bid, truth is if Cabaye cared about the club then he would have played regardless of the situation. The bid howerver, is fairly low for the value of the player...other than the odd time he has spent injured, he has been in the french national team constantly for the past 4 years. I like Cabaye but he constantly seems to be injured and his tendency to do petulent fouls and other things (assaulting ball boys wasn't a trend started by Hazard) is slightly concerning. He is though a world class passer of the ball and his vision is absolutely magical, newcastle will probably be reluctant to sell to arsenal if they do feel hard done to though. The reason I took the time to post is because of "Kosher Kid" and his ludicrous comment. This is an arsenal blog, with an article about a newcastle player - why does a spurs fan need to be here? Tottenham are an absolute dross club, spending their way to 'success' by buying players well toward the latter stage of their peak. All the while they stockpile genuine young talent and let it rot in the reserves just so other clubs can't have these players. Spurs will NEVER be better than Arsenal, i know what small club syndrome (sunderland for us) looks like and how being overshadowed by a local rival makes fans say stupid things. So grow up Kosher Kid!

  39. stuksta

    Aug 21, 2013, 12:57 #37953

    "The question has to be asked, is it the current board that is to blame for the current issues or is it the manager?". Bingo! Our fanbase is so divided on this and the trouble is, nobody actually knows the answer to this for sure, do they?

  40. GoonerMAC

    Aug 21, 2013, 12:46 #37952

    We're not the ones with a lack of class. Pardew used the bid, which went in on Friday by some reports and not just before the Newcastle game, to deflect from his side's poor performance. Had he said nothing no-one would have known anything about the bid. If they thought it was low then they could have just not even acknowledged it. Same with Rodgers at Liverpool. Had he kept quiet the Suarez bid could have just been ignored if they thought it was too low. Personally speaking I don't see £10m for Cabaye and £40m for Suarez as low bids. Cabaye played in a team that just avoided relegation last year and Suarez is a liability and loose cannon. £50m the pair is a fair offer IMHO - no other team has offered more for either player and, as we keep being told, the transfer window is only open for another couple of weeks. What both Liverpool and Newcastle are doing is trying to get Arsenal to increase their offer for the players. They're not doing this by negotiating directly with Arsenal but instead have decided to put it all in the public domain. These are classless acts, as far as I'm concerned, not the way we've got about our bids. Arsenal, and Wenger, have class to burn. We don't talk about other teams' players, we don't say we're going to bid for this player or that player and we don't bad mouth other teams who bid for our players. I agree we should have had all our business done and dusted well before now and as we haven't that highlights massive deficiencies in the people we have handling transfers but classless? No, definitely not. What we need is for David Dein to be brought back in to work alongside AW. That would sort out a good deal of the current problems in one fell swoop. Unfortunately because of the board that won't happen.

  41. Kosher Kid

    Aug 21, 2013, 12:30 #37950

    I watched your game against Villa on Saturday and suddenly realised why a section of your support has turned on Wenger. The monkey on your back is the invincibles team. The world class players were steadily allowed to leave and replaced with good players who were never going to be great or world class players. I visited the Emirates for the first NLD at the new ground and although THFC had begun to improve we seemed to be miles behind your club in terms of infrastructure, organisation and quality of player. That was in 2006. I cannot believe the transformation in fortunes since that time. It hasn't happened overnight, there have been small indicators but AFC's relentless Champions League qualification has papered over the cracks. When AFC lost the Champions League Final that was the start of the road you are on now. You were well beaten and some of your best ever players left the club. THFC had enjoyed their best league season for 26 years by finishing 5th. It felt like an anti climax because the club had been 4th for most of the season only for AFC to finish above us. However, this was the start of THFC's revival. In the period between season 2005 - 2006 until the present day what has happened is this; Tottenham have managed to improve their league position and have managed to finish in the top 5 in six seasons out of eight. Before season 2005 - 2006 the best Spurs had managed in the Premier League was 7th in 94-95 under Gerry Francis. THFC also won the 2008 League Cup final against Chelsea adding to the feel good factor. European football has also been a regular feature since season 05-06. A further development has been the NLD. these games were often unpleasant for THFC supporters, prior to season 05-06, and often just served to remind us how far behind AFC we had fallen. Under Martin Jol we began to compete with AFC in these games and closed the gap. I remember AFC winning a ridiculous game at WHL 4-5. I think that although THFC fans didn't like losing this game it was the first time in a long time we had tried to compete with AFC in these games. The players we had earned us a kind of moral victory. The following season we got a draw at Highbury but deserved to win. This set the pattern of these games for the next few seasons. THFC found some belief without actually winning. This was early days in the Tottenham renaissance so it went largely unnoticed by your lot. THFC had 'got lucky' but would soon slide back to mid table once the better players were sold. This period culminated in the League Cup semi where Spurs finally won a NLD that mattered. For the first time in years it seemed the gap was closing. You consoled yourselves that it was only 'the Mickey Mouse cup' and you didn't play your best players from the start of the match but; Spurs were catching up. Then came Harry and the next turning point. The 4-4 at the Emirates. Another draw but a moral victory for THFC. 4-2 down after 89 minutes having been 1-0 up from a wonder goal by one of AFC's former players, it looked like Spurs had done their usual trick of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Jenas and Lennon in injury time devastated AFC and gave THFC just the boost they needed to keep the revival on track. Harry took us to the Champions League and got us 4th place twice. Bale was evolving into a world class player and Spurs were gaining confidence. Now established back in the top 5. This was no longer a temporary state of affairs. Spurs were back. Running parallel to this was your League Cup final defeat to Birmingham City and a feeling that AFC were no longer the force they once were. No trophies for a while and a team with lots of promise but lacking the quality of previous seasons. The curse of the invincibles was taking hold. Last season Arsenal finished 4th THFC finished 5th, one point behind. AFC supporters were jubilant. Finishing 4th, ahead of Spurs, had saved your season. The consensus in the media was that Spurs should have finished ahead of Arsenal, as it was the previous season. THFC just couldn't quite take that next step into the top 3. AND SO HERE WE ARE. This season feels like another turning point. Things are happening that don't usually happen. Arsenal do not appear confident about being superior to THFC anymore. Why is this? Because you know, as well as THFC supporters do, THFC are now the best team in North London. Our time has come. Good luck against the Turks. Looking at the state of your manager you will need it.

  42. Paul

    Aug 21, 2013, 12:22 #37947

    Did you have any in the first place? you might gain some back when Wenger goes upstairs but until then you are left as the laughing stock

  43. chris dee

    Aug 21, 2013, 12:16 #37945

    Talk Sport eh?The same Talk Sport that is so fair and balanced in its attitude to Arsenal with w-----s like Adrian Durham and Darren Gough.Arsenal accused of lack of class by Alan Brazil?Well Brazil can stick his opinion up his a--e.An Arsenal fan quoting Talk Sport about our club.A sad day indeed.

  44. JB

    Aug 21, 2013, 12:13 #37944

    Nice comment from NUFC Andy. Great to see football supporters unite. Agree with you and wish you and your club ev success for this season. Yep sounds like you have a right toxxer at the hlem of your club too. Only been once to St James Park myself, long time ago when we won 1-0 courtesy of Charlie Nicks! Squeezed into the Gallowgate end as a teenager, slipping a quid or two to some local lads outside. Had to keep my mouth shut when we scored. Great supporters you lot, on the whole. BTW Tks for Supermac

  45. Crusading to change the sport is a waste of time

    Aug 21, 2013, 12:07 #37943

    we need a football coach. a football coach please. a man who talks football with passion. we dont need a football coach who talks politics, economics, moral issues, fights with the press. we need a football coach. a football coach

  46. Arsene is a Fraudster

    Aug 21, 2013, 12:06 #37942

    Spot on DANNYJW, everyone has this idea that Dein was whiter than white (even if he was Orange coloured) at ours. Let's not forget how he treated our fans in Copenhagen back in 2000. Don't want him near the club either.

  47. Porciestreet

    Aug 21, 2013, 11:58 #37941

    You guys should think yourselves very lucky you havn\'t had our crap to put up with. FIFTY years of it and it doesn\'t look like ending very soon.

  48. DANNYJW

    Aug 21, 2013, 11:53 #37939

    While I agree with most of this post, one thing that really irks me is the continual love in of David Dein as some sort of messiah. Not only did he make millions in selling his shares, he used Arsenal for his own agenda in his own smug, pompous manner flitting from FA Committee to Committee . Also his son Darren is a football agent who made a huge profit from the sales of Van Persie, Fabregas, Henry and many more since his Dad left the club!

  49. Arsene is a Fraudster

    Aug 21, 2013, 11:52 #37938

    The manager and the club have football's most skewed moral compass. This hollier than thou attitude about other clubs spending money and that ridiculous FFP. Really we have proved we are no better and infact we are worse. Classless to classify the FA Cup as "not really a trophy", whining and droning about "financial doping". With the manager that allows players to turn up dressed like tramps in tracksuits with those massive headphones instead of those classy suits that our players used to turn up in. As Rocky once said "Remember who you are, what you are, and who you represent". Nowadays these people just don't know who, nor care who we are.

  50. JB

    Aug 21, 2013, 11:51 #37937

    An odd comment from 'silentstan'. Yeah are you? and i'm 'mickey mouse'. Yes we are indeed losing our values that other clubs (even Man Utd) held us in high regard over, as it would never be us doing business this way. Remember how we ousted GG out for the alleged 'bungs'. Sure this is different but if AW did get involved in the like. Would we really be confident it would even get out. AW statement of even yesterday - some of his words seem to indicate that it is he who's doing all the so called business

  51. Finger blaster

    Aug 21, 2013, 11:50 #37936

    What class?

  52. Andy - NUFC Fan

    Aug 21, 2013, 11:48 #37935

    I have always had a soft spot for Arsenal - especially when you went a whole season unbeaten and I still think you play the best football of any Southern Team. I have only been lucky enough to see a live game at the emirates once AFT 1 - 1 NUFC back in 2006. I have to say I enjoyed my visit the stadium and the staff and your fans were fantastic. However What Wenger did on Monday was out of order. why not wait until the game has finished? I'm certain we would have lost regardless but having our best CM playing could have at least made us look not quite so bad. I suppose class is not something we cant complain about to much after all we have Ashley a pig headed spurs fan in charge up here. It was however a bit out of order. all the best for the upcoming season and hopefully we will both have won a match before deadline day.

  53. Porciestreet

    Aug 21, 2013, 11:48 #37934

    You think its bad at your end. just think yourself damned lucky you havnt got Newcastles problems.

  54. silentstan

    Aug 21, 2013, 11:33 #37930

    the club have not lost their class but the fans have