The Pot of Gold secured once more

Online Ed: Fenerbahce formality completed



The Pot of Gold secured once more

Interesting banner on show last night


So Fenerbahce have been banned from Europe, the morning after the night before. Hopefully, someone could enlighten me as to what would have happened if they had won the tie against Arsenal? Would Arsenal have taken their place in the group stage? Would another Turkish side?

I received an email earlier today from season ticket holder Steve Andrews, who wrote - Do you feel we should protest to Arsenal to stop us forfeiting one of our 7 cup game credits and for others to be refunded following Fenerbahce being chucked out of the Champions League. The club then chase up the money off of UEFA for allowing this to be sorted after we have all given up time and money to watch a game that would not of counted if we had lost..

I get a lot of emails from people using the verb to of. I was never taught it in school, but Steve emails from a public school email address, where they charge £13k a year to non-boarders. I have no idea whether he is teaching English grammar or not, but the English language has certainly changed since my flirtation with the education system. But I digress. The game would have counted if a Turkish side replaced Fenerbahce in the group stage, although there would certainly be protests from Arsenal then. However, they are simply going to count the money and deduct one cup credit on the grounds that the game was meaningful when it was played. It’s all in the timing.

Many season ticket holders decided against actually taking up their seats for this one. The game was live on free to air TV, most regarded it as a formality, and a few are doubtless still on holiday. So no great surprise to see many an empty seat. However, what was more interesting was the announcement of an attendance of 59,000. Granted, we know this figure is based on tickets sold, but to these eyes there seemed a hell of a lot more than 1,500 empty seats in the south upper – all seats sold on a match by match basis. I am happy for the club to announce numbers of seats sold, but would welcome an actual attendance figure. However, such honesty is viewed as bad PR at the club – the idea that people will pay for a seat but not be sufficiently motivated to actually use it does not reflect well on the product on offer. Of course, fans that cannot make the game can sell their seat through the ticket exchange system, but that does not kick in until the club have sold all of their seats. The bottom line is that they could not find 12,000 silver or red members who were interested in attending, and I assume police restrictions prohibited the game going on general sale.

As for the football, no huge upset. Things might have become interesting if the visitors had gone ahead in the game at any point, and they were certainly a far better prospect to do that than in the first leg. The keeper and the woodwork were both tested, and fair play to Fenerbahce for making a fist of it, and indeed their fans for backing their team in spite of the circumstances.

However, Arsenal were more clinical, and Aaron Ramsey is having a decent season so far with the exception of that opening Premier League game, where no-one in an Arsenal shirt really did themselves any credit. Although the game lacked real tension, there was some good football, and a reminder that in defence, greater focus is required. Better attacks will make more of the opportunities enjoyed against the Gunners last night.

The talk in the transfer market now is of Real Madrid buying Bale and Suarez, followed by the offloading of Ozil, Di Maria and Benzema. Di Maria the most likely to come to Arsenal. Behind the scenes, one hopes that the confirmation of Mathieu Flamini is not all that is going on with regard to the defensive needs of the squad. Given that Podolski and The Ox are both out for the time being, Di Maria would make sense and undoubtedly strengthen the attacking options. However, I am not sure what the plan is if Olivier Giroud gets injured, suspended or runs out of steam. Is it Yaya Sanogo? Benzema would be a solution of sorts, but I have never been 100% convinced by him. Ozil is a great player, but in terms of creative midfielders, Cazorla, Wilshere and Rosicky are the existing options, so we are not crying out in that department. Still, if Wenger signed all three of the Real rejects, it would safely account for the vast majority of the transfer budget. And ensure plenty of goals at both ends of the park. Kevin Keegan’s Newcastle circa 1996 anyone? That would certainly put bums back on seats…

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  1. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 29, 2013, 11:33 #38363

    Gooner Ron, yes to be honest when i saw the draw i thought they were a tougher team and they would/could have caused us problems. But what i witnessed over the two legs proved otherwise and we played a poor team and they can't be described as otherwise.

  2. Gooner72

    Aug 29, 2013, 8:03 #38336

    MarkT - No I agree I'm not satisfied with 4th as we should be challenging for the top honours and winning a couple for sure, we are The Arsenal after all, as for Swansea and Wigan, well Swansea had one decent season no thanks to Michu whilst Wigan got lucky, however look at them now!!!! So and before you say it I'm no massive fan of Wenger less the clueless lot on the board!!!!! But I'll be surprised if we spend anything near what the papers are saying, or will we?????

  3. Mark T

    Aug 29, 2013, 6:57 #38319

    Gooner72 l am glad you are happy with our continued ambition just to finish top 4.Remember the players dancing on the pitch at Newcastle as if they had won something.Thats the mentality Wenger has instilled into them.Let me remind you Swansea and Wigan teams we are much better than both won domestic trophies last year(yes silverware not vitual trophies invented by our manager).You dont have to spend billions to win trophies.We dont even take winning the domestic cups seriously.The club has given up on ever winning anything ever again under Wenger as long as we make the CL.As for all this bollox about 16 years in the CL we have got passed the QF stage twice

  4. Guy in Jersey

    Aug 29, 2013, 0:35 #38316

    It doesn't matter who we sign in the next six days. Unless it's Vincent Kompany (or George Graham), then nothing much will change. We all know (or at least the sensible ones know) that we need a new keeper, centre back and defensive midfielder AND that one of these two defenders also has to be a natural leader. I don't want di Maria or Cabaye - although I'd love Benzema (just as I wanted Higuain) - but it doesn't matter who we sign because the old failings will remain. Arsene, despite all his qualities, will never understand defence, is tactically inept, is too controlling and has never been terribly pragmatic (the 2005 FA Cup win aside). He's now outstayed his welcome, no longer adds anything of value to the performance of the team and should be booted upstairs to count all the millions he's saved the club - but not allowed anywhere near the players. Will it happen? No f*cking chance.....which is about the same odds as us winning anything while he sticks around to collect his Arsenal pension.

  5. GoonerRon

    Aug 28, 2013, 23:50 #38313

    @ Maguiresbridge Gooner - you say we played one of the poorest teams in the play off. Be honest, when the draw was made did you really think that? I'd bet the vast majority on here thought we had one of the worst draws we could have got.

  6. Gooner72

    Aug 28, 2013, 23:41 #38312

    Jeez, I'm a Arsenal diehard (not an Arsene diehard) but how negative has The Gooner become, granted all three teams we've played have been average at best but come on, Ramsey (and boy have I slagged him off) has been class, Giroud will always be dangerous given the service and Santi C well for me he would walk into any team bar Barcelona, isn't it about time we realised outside of Manure and the two petrol dollars teams that we've got a decent side, granted some international signings would do but excuse me for being barmy but we ain't that far away IMO, cue the abuse and howling, what was that my old man said you support the crest and the colour not the manager and the board, come on you rip roaring reds!!!!!

  7. Jack

    Aug 28, 2013, 23:39 #38311

    Same again please, Landlord (hic)

  8. GoonerGoal!

    Aug 28, 2013, 23:30 #38310

    "Money, it's a gas. Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash. New car, caviar, four star daydream, think I'll buy me a football team...." WENGER/GAZIDIS/KROENKE OUT! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  9. Jack

    Aug 28, 2013, 23:20 #38309

    Most AMG's I have met are highly suspect to say the least. I don't mean in the sensuality way, more whenever I get to speak to them their eyes are always gazing elsewhere.

  10. Paul Gillis

    Aug 28, 2013, 22:18 #38308

    It isn't disloyal for a fan to object to the way Arsenal FC is being run. Ok, we are a self sustaining model, thats fine and dandy, but to what end ? To my mind there is a difference between being a self sustaining model with reinvestment from profits, which we're told is what we strive and have to be in this age of FFP ( which no other club seems bothered about e.g PSG, Monaco, Napoli, Man City, Spurs etc ) and a money making investment, hoarding profits ( made predominantly from selling our prised assets ) for the benefit of the owner, CEO and an unaccountable manager. We have become their cash cow and retirement fund, rather than a football club. I have supported Arsenal all my life, since the early 70s, but this is no longer the fan's club that I once knew, a club that always tried to compete for trophies, sometimes succesfully and sometimes not, where the team was THE priority. Profit is now the goal not trophies. The fans that were/are against Usmanov becoming owner because they dont want Arsenal to become a rich mans plaything are deluded if they think that that is not what we are already with Kroenke, its just that Kroenke is getting his kicks from making money rather than winning trophies. Ask any Chelsea fan which they would prefer !!!!!

  11. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 28, 2013, 22:04 #38306

    Kev, if the truth is bad PR we'll certainly not be told it, but when it's positive they can't wait to tell us, Jesus we've already been told a truth which was GREAT PR (lots of lovely money to spend on top top quality players) bloody hell even when they do tell us the truth that turns out to be a lie.

  12. Jack

    Aug 28, 2013, 21:59 #38305

    Why are all Usmanov supporters middle aged portly and bald. They are very similar to the sort of half wits you get down the Bridge.

  13. Gare K

    Aug 28, 2013, 20:29 #38303

    Not the greatest game but job done. A decent performance, a clean sheet and a win to boot. Our real test as per usual in the European Cup will come in the group stages to an extent but I expect us to get through that. After that is anyone’s guess but I suspect it will go the same way as the last three seasons. I’m personally expecting another supermarket sweep by 2nd September just to improve the numbers but that’s it. Whether they will improve the squad is debatable. Roll on the NLD against that lot from the Lane. Up The Arsenal!

  14. Santos Sanogo

    Aug 28, 2013, 19:16 #38301

    Cant believe the players didnt do a lap of honour and surely the club could have had a trophy made up it is after all what this club is all about now.Dont win trophies just qualify for the CL group stage.At the end of the day the two games meant nothing Fenerbahce were worse than a championship side and were booted out today anyway.To those raving about Ramsey come back when he does it against a top 3 side the same goes for Cazorla.We are team of bullies againt poor teams.If Wenger doesnt sign 4 quality players before monday not signing freebies like the awful Sanogo and 5 years too late Flamini we wont finish top 5 this season.It was good to see so many stayed at home yesterday

  15. Lee Bedford

    Aug 28, 2013, 19:06 #38300

    IN USMANOV WE TRUST INDEED!!! i have had more than enough of this circus now so get rid of this arrogant fossil of an overpaid 'manager' and pathetic cash obsessed board and get in this guy who actually WANTS to put money into the club AND COMPETE on a footballing level with the others WHILST keeping us debt free! im sick and tired of wasting my hard earned money on this corporate brand! And before all you wenger is god muppets start and calling me a turncoat DO ONE! i have MORE than earned my stripes home, away AND EUROPE for over 20 years and more than entitled to say what i want regarding OUR club!! And i wish i could be wrong and would happily eat humble pie, but every season is a familiar pattern and a false dawn being fed countless crap by politician esque members at the club! we are simply in the wrong hands! 3 wins against mediocre opposition doesnt change things! as always just papers over the cracks, like champs league qualification!!! We want our Arsenal back!!!

  16. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 28, 2013, 18:46 #38299

    No doubt our win last night made things very easy for the decision makers in the CL, just the same way things were made easy for OGL by meeting one of the poorest teams in the play off,in the first place,thereby getting him of the hook again and buying him some more time, probably even a new contract regardless of the out come on Sunday. No there was no huge upset and there was never likely to be, but even so OGL was taking no chances with his Holy grail fielding a strong team, well the strongest he could anyway not having many more options due to his incompetence in the transfer market. Job done we're through again, qualifying for a competition we're never going to win, under this manager anyway but i'm sure that didn't worry to many in the boardroom or the powers that be,not even the scores of empty seats would have worried them to much, they would have been to busy with their congratulations and back slapping for all this millions of CL money that's going to be rolling in again with still not a penny of the millions we already have spent. Gross incompetence of the highest order.

  17. ApolloGooner

    Aug 28, 2013, 18:39 #38298

    Arsenal should definitely not take a cup credit off of us for this game now. Its really simple for them to do this and there will be no admin charges involved for them. All they have to do is not count it. They're the ones who continue to deny us the option of a league games only Season Ticket so I think it is fair that they should take the hit for this now invalid tie instead of the paying fans.

  18. GoonerRon

    Aug 28, 2013, 17:14 #38294

    "Aaron Ramsey is having a decent season so far" - surely his performances have been worthy of more than 'decent'? I think he's had three MOtM performances in a row hasn't he, out of 4 games in total? Crikey, credit where it's due.

  19. Steve

    Aug 28, 2013, 17:13 #38293

    The seasons objective has been achieved.All that lovely CL money thats what its all about.We might as well go home now.We wont take the domestic cups seriously and we are not strong enough to challenge in the CL and the prem.Wenger the idiot plays a full strength team when we are 3 goals up.Podolski out Ramsey doubtful and Wilshere kicked to bits.So far this season we have lost 3 players for at least 4 weeks.Only ourselves to blame for having such a weak squad.But dont worry we are signing Ozil DeMaria Mata and Messi(sorry i was joking about Messi).

  20. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Aug 28, 2013, 16:46 #38291

    As you say Kev - it's priority number 1 achieved for Wenger and Kroenke (as usual). Sadly we are so obviously under-equipped to win the Champions League (as usual) and a damn good thrashing awaits us (as usual) in February or March when we meet a more ruthless and better prepared opponent. Never mind, profits before trophies (as usual) . . . . . . .

  21. Green Hut

    Aug 28, 2013, 16:44 #38290

    Wenger's pre-match TV interview last night couldn't have looked less like a man willing or able to evolve and adapt to the changing nature of football. Despite the inevitable injury-induced trolley dash of the next few days, he clearly hasn't lost one iota of belief in his philosophy, defined as he said by his 'conscience', that will never deviate from the prudent, moral, righteous path it has always followed. He seems bewildered by his detractors, but many of his devoted flock remain in his thrall. Powerful, depressing viewing.

  22. RJ

    Aug 28, 2013, 16:39 #38289

    Mr Ed - A surprisingly gloomy and downbeat piece given we WON THE GAME and the TIE, and hence secured our first trophy of the season - qualification for the Group Stage Proper. Three convincing wins in a row - regardless of opposition. let's hope we carry it into the NLD on Sunday. And that we have some solid reinforcements. Oh we need them. Come on you Gooners