Ahead of the North London Derby…

Some nostalgia



Ahead of the North London Derby…

Alan Skirton: Early Xmas present


(Ed’s note – In the current issue of the Gooner – on sale outside the stadium this Sunday against Spurs – there is an extended feature on past Arsenal v Spurs matches at either Highbury or Ashburton Grove. However, a couple of entries from Tony Porter arrived too late for publication, so we are running them here as a taster for the issue, which we hope those who have not bought yet will do so on Sunday.)

22nd February 1958 Arsenal 4 Tottenham 4
A half-term treat from boarding school (and half-term in those days was just 48 hours long: seems unbelievable, doesn't it?) to see an Arsenal team still in shock from their FA Cup exit at Northampton Town and still adjusting to the coaching style of Ron Greenwood. 59,116 of us there and I was with my father in our accustomed West Stand Upper location - it was where he used to sit for free in the 1930s when a student at the London College of Divinity, the original owners of the land Highbury was built on. A mud-bath of a pitch and snow in the air - my feet used to be so cold by the end of those games! However, a warming and more than wonderful experience as we took Tottenham apart to lead 4-2, but a bizarre conclusion, begun when left back Dennis Evans, nearly on the goal-line in front of the North Bank and ten yards wide of the goalpost, inexplicably stuck up his hand to field a ball that was drifting out of play. Penalty! 4-3, and shortly after, with the defence still in shock, Tottenham got the equaliser. Before the end of the season it was announced that manager Jack Crayston would be leaving.

23rd December 1961 Arsenal 2 Tottenham 1
63,440 of us on the Saturday before Christmas - so many, some presumably escaping Christmas shopping. We continued to languish in Tottenham's shadow. By now I was at university and liked to stand below the West Upper - and even with such a crowd I didn't feel squashed or worried. A Tottenham-supporting College friend had condescendingly said to me: "I feel really sorry for Arsenal supporters" and I was hoping so much for victory. Arsenal had led 3-2 in the second half of the match in August at White Hart Lane, but Tottenham had brushed us aside to win 4-3, emphasising their dominance and their quality team. We had quality players, too, but so often weren't a team. In truth it wasn't a great game - the frosty, hard pitch didn't encourage adventurous play and Tottenham seemed content to hit the ball long to Smith to head it on for Greaves. From one such move in the second half, Mackay, not Greaves, smashed the ball past Kelsey to give them the lead but Mel Charles equalised and as the game wore on we were well on top. Eastham also used the aerial route to set Skirton charging through the middle towards the Clock End and he blasted the ball past Jennings. I looked forward to the new term.

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  1. BADARSE

    Aug 31, 2013, 7:24 #38541

    We never know how any one player's performances will register with the club when they arrive, we can only speculate. When a player returns it is doubly difficult, as they carry the weight on their shoulders, of what went before. For my part I loved the development and improvement of Mathieu Flamini. I was choked when he left. It left me thinking of what might have been. I am overjoyed that he has returned. His impact are as ever, speculative. I hope we see the sleeves rolled up, fist clenching 'Flam' of old. If we do, it may just galvanise this team. Not many down the years have displayed the fighting qualities he possessed. Let us all hope he still possesses them, and can do a job. Tomorrow might be a good opportunity to witness it.

  2. DW Thomas

    Aug 30, 2013, 23:41 #38536

    Hate to say it,but this NLD this year does not excite me as much as years past. Bendtner coming back to play or even be on the bench has to be the last straw for Wenger. It's complete insanity. Not saying we have to sign as many as Spurs, but they are showing real intent. And Arsene's comments on coaching sound so arrogant. Could he deal with all those big names coming in to our club? I don't think so. He needs his overpaid lackeys to abide by his rules or else all would fall apart. Bendtner to me more than anyone is the epitome of the lack quality that has let us down over these last 8 years. Remember that disgusting touch from Jack's pass vs Barca not too far back? That possible goal could have seen us through. I just can't stomach the utter b..locks throughout the club. It's become all lies, smoke, and mirrors. Will we get Ozil? You must be having a laugh...

  3. BADARSE

    Aug 30, 2013, 22:32 #38531

    @ Kenny, 'Arry's 4-4? We lost this victory, because one of our best ever players, 'Cesc, gave the ball away, when he could have played a simple ball sideways, run down the clock of less than a minute, and we would have come home winners .Such fine lines determine winning, or not. Their impacts can define a symptom, but they hardly are the release of the brake that sends us speeding downhill.

  4. Kenny

    Aug 30, 2013, 20:07 #38524

    The 4-4 in Harry's first game was the beginning of the end for Wenger.We were top they were bottom with 2 pts.4-2 up in injury time and we drew.Best memories Laurens penalty and Cesc's run from their kick off

  5. BADARSE

    Aug 30, 2013, 20:06 #38523

    SKG, your memory outstrips mine fella, so another word of thanks to you. Young David Court, yet another unsung hero. Bergkamp, Henry, Adams, all truly great, and are mentioned often naturally, but in a vastly larger category are those unsung players. The likes of Peter Simpson, Geoff Strong,Peter Storey and Kevin Richardson. They all had smaller parts to play, but didn't they perform them well?

  6. Seven Kings Gooner

    Aug 30, 2013, 19:56 #38521

    Badarse : I think David Court was 19 at the time and his first goal came about when Maurice Norman was rolling the ball on his instep getting ready to lob it back to his keeper, Court nipped in and took it off his toe and hammered it into the net. These games with the "Spuds" always turn up an unlikely hero, just hope he is in a red shirt.

  7. BADARSE

    Aug 30, 2013, 19:29 #38518

    @SKG. Oct '62, at the Lane. I was there that day. As I recollect it was a double fight back game. 3-0 adrift, a brace by Doggy Court brought us back into it before going 4-2 behind, then clawing our way to a creditable 4-4.You stirred a nice memory, thanks.

  8. Ted

    Aug 30, 2013, 17:54 #38512

    Harry Redknapp ended our long winning streak over the spuds by employing hoofball tactics. In over 50 years of watching Arsenal v Spurs I have never seen Spurs out football us.

  9. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 30, 2013, 17:48 #38510

    There hasn't been much to look forward to lately at Arsenal especially where super super quality signings are concerned, but they've never been needed for this fixture anyway, but one thing we can all look forward to has arrived, maybe more of an inconvenience, the usual mashing we give the spuds, who think as they always do at this stage of the season that this is their year, only to be brought back down to earth as usual, after been given a footballing lesson and sent back with their tails between their legs wondering where it all went wrong, to where they belong. FOREVER IN OUR SHADOW.

  10. peter Wain

    Aug 30, 2013, 15:45 #38507

    deep joy about Bendtner it is like getting a new player

  11. RDT - 4

    Aug 30, 2013, 14:48 #38501

    Well, you said it Kosher.

  12. Kosher Kid

    Aug 30, 2013, 14:32 #38500

    Afternoon chaps. How is everything in N5? Has Ron finished converting his bathroom into a 4th bedroom, evicting his neighbours, (no irony intended there), and converting his semi into a detached des res? Just thought I'd look in on you all and reassure you not to worry too much about Sunday. That feeling you have in the pit of your stomach, ignore it. You may feel a bit anxious about this NLD and it has to be said THFC are looking a bit smokey. Try looking at it like this; how many seasons did the other lot dread this fixture in the early noughties? No matter how bad you feel about this one it cannot compare to what the 'Spuds' went through, can it...? It's not as if THFC are going to walk into AFC's back yard and take all three points by comfortably beating AFC in front of their own disgruntled fans and going six points clear of AFC at the top of the league. That could NEVER happen, could it......? So why are we wasting our time worrying about those useless 'Spuds'? It's Tottenham after all, they're not fit to compete with AFC are they.....?

  13. Eggcited

    Aug 30, 2013, 13:53 #38497

    i see we signed Bendtner. perhaps he can play up front with Giroo on sunday ? unstoppable pair.

  14. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Aug 30, 2013, 13:29 #38494

    Well it seems that the one thing that really unites AKB's and AMG's is the assertion that Bendtner is useless. Like it or lump it however, he is back and with our strikeforce being as it is ( having 3 realistic goalscorers one of whom is out with a hamstring), expect to see him in an Arsenal shirt again. I wonder whether like Jon Sammels, he has simply become a died in the wool hate figure or whether being in the right place at the right time and scoring goals will redeem him? Hopefully two years on the bench will have tamed some of that arrogance.

  15. Edward

    Aug 30, 2013, 12:57 #38487

    @Wearebuilding:Spurs won only one European trophy in the 1960's the newly formed cup winners cup in 1963. The trophy at the time was about as prestigious as todays Europa and consisted of only 3 rounds. The bigger sides never took it serious until the late 60's. Spurs comeback came against Slovan Bratislava a part time Czechoslovakia outfit they embarrassingly lost 2-0 away to before thumping them 6-0 at home.

  16. RDT - 4

    Aug 30, 2013, 12:21 #38484

    They're very good when the year ends in a one, apparently. Apart from 1971, 2001 and 2011.

  17. Ron

    Aug 30, 2013, 12:03 #38480

    My 1st Derby at Arsenal - 4-0 Gunners. 1967. Recall GG scoring. Spuds had the upper hand for 5-6 years before then and that derby consigned their dominance to history. Recall papaers being full of that muppet Venables (the spuds fans used to give him stick big time and even they recognised a fraud even then maybe!) being GGs best man on day of the game In my view since theyve never had a real ascendency, save for flirting with it in mid to late 80s for a Season or 2. I had the dubious pleasure in 1987 of being amongst them at Wembley with a spud mate as Coventry nailed them. Their fans attitude of 'we only need to turn up' was laughable that day!

  18. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Aug 30, 2013, 11:52 #38474

    [email protected]: I wasn't old enough to watch football in the 1960's but I gather from those around me who were that the European WHL "Glory Glory Nights" were another media invention too. Tottenham usually had a first leg deficit to overturn, usually did, sometimes didn't. which kind of indicates they weren't too good at European away ties. Still, you can't deny their emphatic 1963 ECWC win whilst we were still finding our feet in Europe. Having personally "come of age" football wise - and otherwise :-) - in the early to mid 80's the papers were having a Spurs love-in for much of that period too, though there was not too much of a gap between the sides. I'll concede that they were the better side for a couple of seasons in that time. Sunday will give us a better indication of where both clubs are right now.

  19. Ron

    Aug 30, 2013, 11:33 #38472

    Not wishing to be picky but wdt the spud keeper in 61 have been Bill Brown?

  20. Edward

    Aug 30, 2013, 11:32 #38471

    It always amazes me how Tottenham managed to get such a reputation for playing attractive football. The Spurs teams I witnessed in the 1960's were the most route one and scrappy teams ever. I was at this game and agree entirely with with Tony's match report, even back then the media was more against Arsenal and pro Spurs. Spurs were very hard to play against and very similar in their style to Wolves in the 1950's and Wimbledon in the 80's.

  21. radfordkennedy

    Aug 30, 2013, 11:21 #38468

    I find it incredibly funny that while I'm considering where to go for the best fish in marseille and where to sample the pinnacle in Neapolitan cuisine along with a cheeky Barolo,the great unwashed from N17 are still obsessed with just beating us even after spending 60-70mil of Joe Louis money,small time club for small minded people....incidentally once upon a time a man named Joe Louis was made to look a mug by a man called Walcott..

  22. smee

    Aug 30, 2013, 11:07 #38464

    All our worries are over. Bendtner is going to stay at Arsenal.

  23. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Aug 30, 2013, 9:59 #38455

    @brian willson - really? How many "heads" at WHL thought Newcastle had equalised? And who lead you there? There's something timelessly funny about 35,000 people believing and celebrating a lie told by one of their own, wearing a shirt bearing the word "Autonomy". A mickey mouse club with a muppet's finger on the text button. Usually I'd say that you couldn't make it up, but the last day of the past two seasons are continued proof that there's a whole swathe of angry looking, badly dressed unfortunates that have been trying to make it up for the past 52 years, and still haven't got there.

  24. Seven Kings Gooner

    Aug 30, 2013, 9:33 #38452

    Guys let's get the facts straight - Bill Brown was the goalkeeper, Mackay scored in the first half for the Spuds to lead 1-0 at half time. (he had handled the ball before firing past Jack Kelsey) This was not the "Spuds" double year, it was the year after. My best memory was the 4-4 draw at WHL in OCT 62, we were 3-0 down until David Court got a couple for us to lead the fight back. We are going into this Sunday's game as the underdogs which could be helpful.

  25. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Aug 30, 2013, 9:28 #38451

    Flamini is back and whether OGL uses him in the midfield or the defence on Sunday our chances may have immeasurably improved as a result. It remains to be seen whether he is a diminished player and of course, whether OGL, having secured his services, will actually play him.

  26. brian willson

    Aug 30, 2013, 8:28 #38444

    Thats ok Corperate Gooner. It will match your head...COYS

  27. Corperate Gooner

    Aug 30, 2013, 6:49 #38434

    I have to admit it, there is going to be a little bit of poo in my knickers at 4pm on Sunday.

  28. matt

    Aug 30, 2013, 6:26 #38431

    A correction regarding your 2nd match report. Pat Jennings was signed by Spurs in 1964, Bill Brown was the Spurs goalkeeper in the Double Year.

  29. topspurs88

    Aug 30, 2013, 6:17 #38430

    It couldn't have been Jennings in goal - we didn't buy him from Watford until a few years later.........

  30. Wenger the tyre kicker aka Noodles

    Aug 30, 2013, 6:14 #38429

    Just can't call this one. Over the last few seasons I've gone into this game fearing the worst and this year it's no different. Let's hope the Spuds new set of expensive toys don't jell and it's another 5-2 ! I'll also be asking Dick Law "WHAT THE F**K DO YOU DO"????