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Ozil – Special delivery (pic:Marcia Milnes)


I think it’s fair to say that Arsenal scoring three goals against Stoke from set pieces was the unexpected story of this game. Although the Gunners rarely looked particularly fluid, the quality of Mesut Ozil’s free kicks and corners were key in achieving the win that keeps Arsene Wenger’s team ahead of Spurs in first place on goal difference.

There was a buzz about the match in the build-up because it was the first chance for many Arsenal fans to see the record signing in the flesh. It is early days, but it appears the amount of influence he had on the Sunderland match may have been down to the quality of the opposition. However, against better teams, he will provide key moments that can make the difference between winning or not. So it proved against Stoke, who for much of the game, restricted Arsenal’s chances.

It was indeed a different Stoke from the days of Tony Pulis. The powers that be at the club presumably decided they did not like the image their former manager had cultivated, and Mark Hughes has them playing something that is far easier on the eye. They may not be as aggressive as before, but they are certainly still organized when they do not have the ball. Without Theo Walcott, Arsenal’s danger seemed a bit blunted, their best players the midfield battlers, especially Flamini and Ramsey.

Serge Gnabry had a solid, if unspectacular match after Walcott’s late withdrawal. He did not pose as much danger as the number 14, but was far more involved, constantly showing for the ball and moving infield to ensure he received it. It’s obviously too soon to know, but there were signs the young German may have a contribution to make as he develops more at the club. On one level, that such an inexperienced player was called upon exposed how ridiculous the injury crisis at the club has become. Arsenal’s two wide attacking players were the youngster and Jack Wilshere. However, it was also a hark back to the days when a youngster would be thrown into the team due to injuries, when squads simply were not as deep as they customarily are today. Players like Tony Adams, David Rocastle and Michael Thomas would suddenly appear years back, and no-one really knew very much about them. Due to non-football commitments, I rarely watch reserve matches or pre-season friendlies, so I have seen very little of Gnabry, aside from the odd League Cup appearance.

Because of the nature of the goals, the match will not be remembered too long. The goals aside, there was not a great deal of drama. Arsenal had the majority of the match, and it was against the run of play when the visitors equalized. However, Wenger’s team drew the fouls that they needed to utilize Ozil’s talents from dead balls. It is a breath of fresh air to see them pose a genuine threat from free kicks and corners, something that is necessary if the team are going to win matches against stubborn opposition. Such games have proved a real handicap on too many occasions in recent seasons.

Mikel Arteta was re-introduced to the fray, and will doubtless return to the starting line-up for the League Cup game on Wednesday. One imagines the back line will be Jenkinson, Vermaelen, one of Mertesacker or Koscielny and Monreal, with Arteta in front of them. Who knows who else might play, although I am confident Gnabry will get another run-out, with the distinct possibility that The Greatest Striker That Ever Lived will be spearheading the attack. It’s a shame the chances of watching this particular curate’s egg of a match will be limited to the in-the-flesh attendees and delayed transmission on Arsenal TV.

Whether Arteta will displace Mathieu Flamini for the visit to Swansea is another matter. I suspect not. Flamini may have fallen into Wenger’s lap, but could prove to be an inspired signing. His organizing of the team around him is certainly on a par with anything Arteta did, and he is a more natural in the position. When Arteta did enter the fray, he played in a more advanced role more typical of his Everton days. It gives the manager the option of rotation and there is certainly an argument that both Wilshere and Ramsey could use a break at some point before Christmas, although the latter has made himself the one central player that would have to start in the strongest eleven.

After the Villa debacle, which may have just shaken up any sense of complacency, the team have put together an excellent sequence of results, including some very creditable away wins. What is needed now is the consistency to keep piling on the points, winning matches that you would expect them to, and a demonstration of their improvement when they meet the sides that finished above them last season, by taking points off them. It’s very early days, but the team are moving in the right direction, something few could have anticipated after August 17th.

Long may it continue…

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  1. Rocky RIP

    Sep 24, 2013, 13:21 #39654

    On the subject of small squads and the physical intensity of the game back then, it's worth remembering that in 1979-80 Brian Talbot played 70 matches in a single season. (And he covered a lot of ground in every match too.) Worth bearing in mind when you hear people say players play too many games these days. Plus players are so much more athletic and fitter nowadays.

  2. Ron

    Sep 24, 2013, 12:49 #39653

    Radford/Kennedy - Hi mate. I accept that the players of old were often propped up by steroid injections etc of which the long term effects then werent known (quite a few players of the 60s and 70s are riddled with arthritis). However, the pitches are unrecognisable now, the ball is a glorified beach ball, physical intensity is reduced due to the outlawing of tackles via rule changes. The speed of the game leads to rashness and the main threat physically is players whove never been coached to tackle and dont know how hence Ramsey and Eduardo type injuries. The modern training regime is for that of an athlete not a footballer ie the need for pace is ****ount. The downside is hamstrings and tendons are exposed and the footie players type 'new' body cant withstand impact so stress fractures are common. The 'old' bodies carried more fat and flesh and impact collisions werent near a problem. Youre right though. The past player had identity with his Club, pride and passion to win and werent of a generation that wanted it all for no effort given, unlike today (just my view). They were ripped off by the Clubs in many respects though which the new top player has addressed via their lawyers and agents (thats why the clubs hate those people!). The balance is to far adjusted now though. Throw in the TV companies dirty mits being all over the game and you have the modern, puerile, passionless,cheat infested, corporate, celebrity ridden sham of a game in which all the players, Clubs, agents etc all scrummage to feed from the same rotten trough. In comparison to most other forms of modern entertainment, the punters who pay to see it are the ones who are being most systematically ripped off as the product is in the main a poor one (in my view). Many of the punters are in my view turning their back on it though. Footballs bubble is going to burst. Sure as night follows day.

  3. radfordkennedy

    Sep 24, 2013, 12:16 #39652

    Colm..you're absolutely right mate and I don't know about you but from what I've seen so far this season maybe with the exception of city there's nothing to be fearful of from anyone,everyones beatable this season ...Ron spot on mate how on earth did we win doubles in our history with 13-14 players, frank playing 60 games raddy going in goal etc..do you think it might have something to do with mental strength as well as a desire to fight and not let your mates down and all that on mud bath pitches

  4. Ron

    Sep 24, 2013, 11:06 #39650

    BADARSE - Prem Lge footie players dont even begin to either experience or even remotely understand 'mental fatigue'. As for the physical demands, as far as they apply they are all the product of 'sports scientists' and physiologists with too much time and too many hair brained sofware packages to play about with. The only fatigue, physical seepage and stress footballers at that level get from an away CL fixture is the worry a defeat might make on their bonuses! All of this 'protection' of players and 'rest' emanates from insurance policy demads, income protection clauses and commercial criteria (largely imposed by the companies who sponsor these pampered fairies. Of course, its presented to fans as a necessary expedient and for the good of the Club/team. In other words, its all bollocks dressed up as a creature of modern football. Its like everything else in football. Its about players and Clubs money that the fans are paying towards. Nothing less and nothing more.

  5. Colm

    Sep 24, 2013, 10:23 #39649

    Everyone's going on about our results in corresponding fixtures last year. has the same exercise been done for the other teams in the division? doubt if Utd had a run like the one they're on this year, or chelsea. It's a different season, results will be different, deal with it. in the meantime enjoy what's happening now

  6. radfordkennedy

    Sep 24, 2013, 9:42 #39648

    RON post42467...morning mate i dont know if you,re ex-forces but if not you've just unwittingly described Port Stanley with un-nerving accuracy

  7. BADARSE

    Sep 24, 2013, 8:53 #39647

    Am about to begin my trek home, so last quick post. CanadaGooner, all tongue in cheek buddy. I empathise, I really do. I personally think some players are and some are not natural goalscorers. Despite his tally so far I believe Aaron is in the latter group, so am amazed by his reordand long may it continue. It is not unique, it happened to Theo last season, who I also am unable to recognise as a natural scorer at this level. I amjust pleased that the potential in Aaron is at last showing itself. Morning Ron, am tickled again pal. Yes it is a pampered lifestyle no mistake, however the pampered are also human, and a mental fatigue has a great effect. So nowt to do with the hardship of a 'tortuous' journey, more to do with getting their minds focussed, and not becoming all too quickly jaded. Mind you I guess if us two were given the jobs at their money we might on occasions put up a more spirited performance. Then of course we are Arsenal fans, or Gunners, first and foremost, not hired guns!

  8. Ron

    Sep 24, 2013, 8:28 #39646

    BADARSE - Forgive me matey if i don't crack all broken up at the thought of the little mites having to travel all those long days and tortuous weeks to the far off mythical climes of Marseille. As they do it, having to think of anything, do everything, plan everything. When they get there having to stay in roughly thrown up, canvas shanty packs, bearing the brunt of the biting winds and storms with only each other to keep warm and with their morale and mental fibre being lashed to breaking point as the bitter rain sweeps into their faces under the swirling, thunderous night sky they have as a roof. The pending battle etched on pensive, sleep deprived faces who well know that their forthcoming ventures towards a vile and sinister enemy may well prove to be their last sacrifice in a World that has forgotten them. Leaders amongst them, driving them, kicking them and if their mind takes that way, flogging them to eke out that last drop of will and false courage. The dull drums of the enemy beating threateningly, but gradually heightening in intensity as the said enemy marches remorselessly towards a date of destiny and probable doom. The ultimate sacrifice awaits. Yes, that toll on these ragged, careworn and neglected souls must be at a level unknown to men. Hail their courage and fortitude whilst others less fortunate sleep soundly back on Albions shores.

  9. CanadaGooner

    Sep 24, 2013, 8:14 #39645

    @ BADARSE - I would like to know anyone who was sat on a rain-drenched saturday at the emirates watching both Theo and Ramsey miss chance after chance last season, especially in games where we were about to drop 2 points, didnt cry out for Ramsey to be taken off. It's a mini-miracle of it's own, how fickle football fans are; but some of us will remain honest: YES, I was one of many fans lashing out in dismay at the chances missed by Ramsey last season; and NO, I am still not 100% convinced that in those crucial games against Bradford & Blackburms out there, or away matches against citeh, manure, spuds or chelski, that we will see Ramsey knocking the goals in. That said, I am full of praise for what he's done so far this season and hope he carries on

  10. BADARSE

    Sep 24, 2013, 8:01 #39644

    Morning campers. One thing I will stress is this, the midweek match takes a toll, particularly when played away, and if a distance is travelled, especially in another country. I state the obvious; it is rarely mentioned, if it is, it is generally dismissed. We went to Sunderland, back home, only to fly to Marseille, back home to engage with a maiden's dream, in the guise of Stoke City! They meanwhile played in Stoke, then journied to meet us. Is it any wonder our physical prescence dropped a little in the second half? I leave Marseille myself shortly, and am not relishing the journey home, and I don't have to perform under a spotlight, well I do I suppose, poledancing counts, doesn't it? CanadaGooner,99p.c of AFC fans you know wanted Ramsey's head? Wow, dude! You should pick your company more carefully, they will create a negativity in you which may be hard to break and could be reflected in your posts one day. When we signed Mesut I said on here I would be happy with a general return of 15 goals and 15 assists. No joy with the goals so far( still anticipate them), but already he has recorded 4 assists, 15-11 to go. If we had won a cup in recent seasons then it would be runneth over. I, like a number of others, celebrated Flamini's return, he is doing what I hoped he would, and his influence on the side is the single biggest factor in our surging spirit. Gnabry, though not as threatening to the opposition as Theo would have been, turned in a pretty solid team performance, and actually looks for the ball, Theo never does. Did Charlie mean that goal v's Newcastle? HowardL came as near to the answer as ever will be. This man, Charlie George, was amongst the most outrageously confident, and remarkably gifted players of all time. Like Arsene Wenger at the moment, he too could walk on water.

  11. Ali

    Sep 24, 2013, 7:16 #39643

    The team is playing well and getting good results but the season is not decided in September. We should wait until the end of the season and if we finish the season with ANY kind of silverware, then it is a successful year. If not, then it is a failure like previous seasons no matter what.

  12. DW Thomas

    Sep 24, 2013, 3:01 #39642

    Ok, ok. The jury's stiil out on this team. I do have some of that joyful anticipation back though. Flamini is that little lucky addition Wenger took just to have numbers. Yet, I think he is a key starter now. He is the type of player Song refused to be and no one else dared. You need some of the squad to do the dirty work with little accolade. Sagna is the same. His contribution is bigger than all save Ramsey this season. Ozil is the marquee player yes, but let's see how he does in the big games, when more is on the line. I have been let down too many times before to jump on the "we're gonna win the title" bandwagon just yet. We still need a marquee striker like an Ozil, someone who terrorizes defenses. Giroud is very solid, but we need just that next level striker, for options. Still top of the table aint bad. Been awhile since we've seen that, no? Now let's hold onto it. Bergamp's book,comes out soon. Now he was class and oozed winning. He had that passion for perfection. For never giving up. He talked about going the extra mile and not just doing it for the $$. That's what need. Maybe we're close to it again, as a team.

  13. Jude Jolicoeur

    Sep 23, 2013, 19:05 #39641

    Apart from scoring a poacher’s goal, if I’m being honest, I thought Ramsey reverted to type on the day. There’s no denying he’s full of confidence at the moment and good for covering every blade, but there was too much wayward passing and giveaways from him for me. Love watching Flamini. Thomas can keep the armband -- Wenger brought in a true leader on a free.

  14. Rocky RIP

    Sep 23, 2013, 18:23 #39640

    @Ron - 'Spurs bossed all of that second half'? Hardly! They looked like a team made up of disparate parts thanks to all the new signings. Whereas we looked a more cohesive unit. They pushed forward for an equaliser and ran us close. I won't say I wasn't bricking it that we'd hold on, but that's what you'd expect in a NLD at 1-0. I keep saying perspective is needed and 5 games isn't the time to light the cigars, but who is actually getting too carried away on here? Nobody has said anything outrageous. Given that recent seasons have seen 'the worst start to a season'amid 8-2 debacles, players leaving, blah blah and given how miserable things looked after the Villa game, I think we're all entitled to feel pleased at being top with a settled side who've just added one of the best players in the world. Perspective needed as ever, but if people are only encouraged to make negative comments, then it's a pretty miserable state of affairs.

  15. Seven Kings Gooner

    Sep 23, 2013, 18:21 #39639

    Radford Kennedy/HowardL : I was right behind Charlie's goal against Newcastle, in the North Bank. The Newcastle penalty area was crammed with players and personally I think, like a lot of Charlie's play, it was instinctive and off the cuff. What I can tell you is that I think it was the hardest I had ever seen a ball kicked by an Arsenal player. In one of Charlie's first league games he picked out wee Geordie with a 60 yard cross field pass without any back lift, magical player and exceptionally strong. Somehow when Don Howe left he was never quite the same.

  16. HowardL

    Sep 23, 2013, 18:04 #39638

    Radfordkennedy, Westlower; I was at that game and think he meant it. I've also been on the stadium tour with Charlie - fantastic character and so pro-Arsenal. I suspect that whatever the real truth is regarding that Newcastle goal Charlie would say that he meant it, so we'll never know for certain!

  17. Ron

    Sep 23, 2013, 17:40 #39637

    PPP - The only way youll start a fire in Bendtners belly is to pour diesel down his lazy throat and light it! Hes about money and money only. The celebrations over being top after 5 games take me back a bit. I can recall being top a time or two after 3-5 games in the dark mid 60s as others on here can. We usually ended up anywhere between 7th to 14th then. Its all too premature and this team is riding its luck. Of that ive no doubt. Theyre far from convincing, hence people are entitled to say 'lets see if they can beat anybody any good'. We havent done so since Munich away (arguable seeing as they had done the damage by then) and lets be honest, the spuds bossed all of that 2nd half a few weeks back and its was backs to the wall defending plus a bit of luck that stopped them getting a draw. We used to call other fans (inc the spuds fans) delusional. Reading the whoopie we're top posts on here, we re as bad now.

  18. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 23, 2013, 17:36 #39636

    TheRealWorld, for the first time in a long time we can get excited because maybe there's something to get excited about, not like before when a win didn't mean much because we just knew what was coming next and what the eventual outcome would be, and one of the reasons is the signing of Ozil and because there is now a chance that we might have a successful season ie actually winning something and not the usual imaginary trophy. And there's nobody hoping that happens more than myself, and if it does it's certainly no excuse to let go of the Past or forget the last eight years of failure and all that goes with it the decisions, the humiliations, the dross, the spin, etc,etc,etc. No matter what happens this season or next it excuses nothing because it's inexcusable, (and it wont be forgotten) and it won't make up for the last eight seasons.

  19. Kylie Minogue

    Sep 23, 2013, 17:26 #39635

    We've got Serge Gnabry, nabry, nabry, nabry

  20. ppp

    Sep 23, 2013, 17:26 #39634

    I agree we shouldn't get carried away - but it's mighty fine being top of the league and the vibe in the boozer aftter the game was excellent. We should enjoy it and push the team for more. Like the writer of the original piece I'm fascinated to see how the game against West Brom goes. Just to see if Bendtners got a bit of fire in his belly this year!

  21. Kylie Wengogue

    Sep 23, 2013, 17:10 #39633

    I should be so lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky

  22. Karen Carpenter

    Sep 23, 2013, 16:57 #39632

    We're on the top of the league, looking down on Utd, and the only explanation I can find: One, Arsene Wenger, there's only one Arsene Wenger, one Arsene Wenger........

  23. RJ

    Sep 23, 2013, 16:41 #39631

    @GreenHut - tecnically right, but a bit gloomy (which I admit is a Gooner feature) - I would rather have 4 wins in every 5 and lose the fifth (average about 91 points a season) than 3 draws and 2 wins (ave about 68 points a season which is how we started last season). If we cannot put on rose tinted spectacles at this moment, then we never will be able to. Come on you Gooners

  24. Don't worry

    Sep 23, 2013, 16:39 #39630

    about a ting, cos every little ting, Gnabry alright.

  25. Bard

    Sep 23, 2013, 16:34 #39629

    another ugly win but perfectly happy with that. Still think we are riding our luck and look short in front of goal. Giroud looks too clumsy to trouble a top class defender and I wonder where the goals will come from when Rambo stops scoring. Top class strikers win prizes as we know having been on the receiving end of Drogba and selling the title to Man u.

  26. Croker

    Sep 23, 2013, 16:32 #39628

    Relishing the run of results. Adoring Aaron Ramsey's renaissance. Mesmirised by Memut's Ozillion pound signing and the quality he has added. Boosted by Stevie Bould's influence on our defending. Gobsmacked by Giroud. Fired up by Flamini's leadership qualities. Long may it all continue and the injury room empty itself soon.

  27. Ready to fly

    Sep 23, 2013, 15:54 #39627

    Arteta is not a real DM, but he has tried his very best to be, and unarguably performing quite well for the past 2 seasons in this 'position'. However, still not up to the mark as a real DM whom Flamini naturally is. So we can see more stability of the defense if Flamini is on the pitch. He is covering the back four and got his job done well with his relentless energy as well as fearless tackling. To me, he is the biggest surprise, among new signings this year inclusive of Mesut Ozil (even only 3 signings). Because for the past few years, we knew that Arsenal had not got the real DM to cover the back four and caused the instant danger to the defense especially the centre back during counter attack. It would be glad to see his restless figure is on the pitch most of the time. Arsenal is ready to fly this season!

  28. Ron

    Sep 23, 2013, 15:39 #39626

    Macguiresbridge - See Green Hut (above)42440. Nothing else worth saying on the point.

  29. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 23, 2013, 14:54 #39625

    Unfortunately i didn't get the chance to see the man himself in the flesh and had to settle for the tv. But even so the quality of Ozil's set pieces were first class and very fruitful indeed and long may it last, and i suppose that's the 100k a week man out of a job now, and he'll no longer be doing a Beckham and hogging everything, he can now stick to the mike and tell us all about it, and what we're going to do in the other games coming up. Ramsey is certainly on fire at the moment and long may that last as well and another goal to go with it, it's a pity we couldn't have pushed on after the first goal and killed the game off early instead of the usual tippy tappy going nowhere around the midfield only for the ball to go out of play or back to the keeper. Flamini fell into OGL's lap alright and at the right time to, and he's also proving his worth with his organisation another good performance got him motm, Gnabry had a solid game alright and done himself no harm,and held his own after been roughed up a couple of times along with jack who took his usual kicking but it was to expected from the cave men. I don't know about before Christmas and i know he's not 100% fit but with the whacks Wilshere has taken already he could do with a break now, were we not capable of beating stoke without him? Giroud was off the pace but others made up for it and i'd have hooked him rather than Ozil earlier but maybe not when the only alternative he had was that waste of space Bendtner who no doubt we'll see on Wednesday night the fact he's still at the club and in a position to wear the shirt and play again is nothing short of negligence. I certainly won't be getting carried away like a lot of others because we're top of the league yes it may be nice looking down crowing at others but we've won nothing yet there's no silverware for being top after five games (or is there) there's a long long way to go yet, lets wait and see where we are after twenty games and then we might have something to really crow about.

  30. Ron

    Sep 23, 2013, 14:46 #39624

    CG - The 8-2 was in 2011 not last season. Just thought id mention it. That was AW s appropriate departure day for me.

  31. CT Gooner

    Sep 23, 2013, 14:46 #39623

    I am very pleased with our current form, and Ramsey has been great. I'm eating my hat with him, I have largely found his performances to be uninspiring, especially last year. I agree though, the main reason I believe we're doing very well is Flamini. finally a true captain (even though he doesn't have the arm band), some one who stands up to be counted and ensures accountability! As for Westlowers challenge of our defense, I'm going to sound negative now, but Sagna was pretty shocking at Sunderland when playing centre back, for the first time we can thank a ref for being our 12th man....

  32. Steve Way

    Sep 23, 2013, 13:48 #39622

    Picking up on some earlier comments about a change in the style of play it would appear that we are no longer dominating possession and playing tippy-tappy across the width of the penalty area and allowing teams to mass in front of us. Instead of dominating 60-70% of play, possession seems to be more even and with a more focused defence teams are now coming onto us instead of 'parking the bus' thus freeing up space in midfield for a more counter-attacking style. Flamini has been wonderful - yesterday he was barking out orders left right and centre.....just makes you wonder what could have been had he stayed.

  33. GoonerRon

    Sep 23, 2013, 13:26 #39621

    3 points is all that counts, especially after an away CL match which can be notorious for knocking teams out of their stride for the next league game. I definitely sense a shift change in mentality, we just seem to have more confidence in our ability to defend well. When ahead in games we aren't afraid to relinquish possession and sit back to soak up pressure. This in turn allows team to have territory but opens up counter attack possibilities for us. This is undoubtedly something we wouldn't have done (or done successfully) 2 or 3 years ago and perhaps is a reflection of Wenger's total football philosophy dovetailing with Steve Bould's focus on defensive shape. Long may it continue.

  34. CanadaGooner

    Sep 23, 2013, 13:24 #39620

    Yes, good win and welldone to the lads. But I can see why a fair degree of skepticism remain. We lost 8 - 2 to one of our rivals last season but still finished 4th; so, there's no cause for alarm as Tottenham & co will have their usual wobble. Avoiding getting dumped out of the cup competitions by some League 1 team is my main concern! Finishing 4th isnt so hard, when you have wobblers like Tottenham and Liverpool on the scene. How about trying to finish 1st this season eh? Come on You Gunners!!!!

  35. Green Hut

    Sep 23, 2013, 13:16 #39619

    One year ago today Arsenal fans were celebrating a gritty, very creditable draw at champions Man City that maintained our unbeaten record after 5 games, which also included a splendid 2-0 victory at Anfield.

  36. Camgooner

    Sep 23, 2013, 13:15 #39618

    As a committed miserable old so and so, I was very pleased by the performance. Professional and solid. For much of the second half Flamini and the midfield supported our defence admirably and soaked up Stoke pressure. There was Bould like steel in our defence. The goals were great, and given we won comfortably it seems especially picky to complain about the defence for the goal. So I'll be picky: it struck me that (1) Gibbs lost the ball too often, but thats unusual, and (2) we didn't defend the ball over the shoulder of the defender. Number 2 needs looking at...

  37. Westlower

    Sep 23, 2013, 13:14 #39617

    Radfordkennedy, Charlie's goal against Newcastle was THE goal of the season. I'm sure he meant it as he had so much devilment in his play. I took my nephew Charlie on the Emirates tour 3 years ago and I wished I'd asked him. Would have loved to seen Charlie in the current team. DB with balls!

  38. Rocky RIP

    Sep 23, 2013, 13:12 #39616

    @we are building - the media really struggle to give us any credit without taking the gloss off wherever possible. If we win convincingly it's often because the opposition were poor. If we win they'll often deflect the win as being because of one incident. (eg. Sunderland away.) If we beat Norwich comfortably with some fluent team football, it gets written off as 'only Norwich'. Tottenham do it and Hartson is refusing to detract from any part of it and giving all the credit to Tottenham and Lineker later gives a rare (special edition?)standing interview to AVB on MOTD. (Like the nation is as one behind AVB.)Someone tells me Gnabry got 5 out of 10 in The Sun's ratings. EH?!

  39. Dan h

    Sep 23, 2013, 13:07 #39615

    On the media watching MOTD 2 last night any real reason to show that tackle on Ramsey from 3 years ago?We all know what happened & no problem talking about it.He has come back physically one thing overcoming it don't underestimate the mental strength he has shown.In great form long may it continue & at 22 still learning all the time.

  40. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Sep 23, 2013, 12:58 #39614

    a useful 3pts against a side, who whilst not exactly the Bete Noire our friends in the meeeeeedja make them out to be, have been stiff opposition in the past. Talking of our friends in the meedja, I was disgusted with the BBC website and Alistair McGowan's negative comments "return to the top of the table, but could be overtaken by Spurs later", "Stoke's equaliser came from a well-worked move" (WTF? it was someone following up). No doubt our CL group will still be "hanging in the balance" as they love to comment after every game pretty soon too. Why don't you do us licence-fee payers a favour and pension off MOTD too while you're at it Beeb. The show is predictable, tired and safe - nice cushy number for all involved.

  41. radfordkennedy

    Sep 23, 2013, 12:58 #39613

    Good win from a slightly subdued performance.personally some looked a little jaded to me and I'm growing increasingly concerned about jack he looks a little off to me and it wouldn't suprise me if he's not dropped for a game or two with others coming back to fitness so as to recharge the batteries Paul Adams...on the subject of Charlie George there's one question I've wanted to ask him for years..those who can remember that 71 season cast your mind back to the home game against newcastle we needed a win charlie pops up on the edge of the box amongst a crowd and appeared to play a one-two of a defenders leg and smashed it in the bottom corner an outrageous goal..I'd love to know if he meant it

  42. Rocky RIP

    Sep 23, 2013, 12:46 #39612

    @John Gooner - very true about not carrying any passengers. It's sort of what I was driving at in my question earlier. ie. a compromise in the attacking element for the sake of defensive cohesion. The best example being Arshavin? Every player counts and has to pull their weight for the team. I always admired Ferguson's teams' work ethic. Every one of them, even with some average players, all knew they couldn't be a passenger and had to fight and close players down all over the pitch. Hopefully we've developed in this sense.

  43. John Gooner

    Sep 23, 2013, 12:29 #39611

    I will not get too excited until we have beaten some genuine contenders at home and picked up points against same on our travels. What I like most about this current team - that we have had at no point in the last 8 years - we carry no passengers. Not a single player in our team now struts about, jogging back when defending and giving the ball up without a fight. We have a young team full of ambitious players and, most importantly, hard workers. I think it would be hard to disagree that we are one world class striker and centre-back away from a title winning squad. Whether the manager has it in him to avoid snatching defeat from the jaws of success is another matter. In Ramsey's first year at Arsenal, I told a lot of my mates that he was going to be the next PL midfield superstar - for which I have since taken some stick. His current run of form is making me very happy indeed, long may in continue.

  44. Westlower

    Sep 23, 2013, 12:09 #39610

    Rocky RIP, Thanks for reminding me of the penalty Marseille scored. That improves our defensive record to only 6 goals conceded in open play from 19 games. That is very impressive for a team full of mediocre defenders! As for scoring goals, only Man City have scored more in PL thanks to scoring 4 against a poor Man U defence!

  45. Rocky RIP

    Sep 23, 2013, 12:04 #39609

    @underachiever - that was my reading of it too, based on guess work. I hope we are right. The emerging partnership between Mertesacker and Koscielny also helped.

  46. Ron

    Sep 23, 2013, 11:57 #39608

    A win v those cave dwellers, however it happens is a good win at any time. In this instance its made even better because of that snarling, begrudging cretin Hughes being in charge at Mordor.

  47. allybear

    Sep 23, 2013, 11:54 #39607

    Great to win the game and i must say that the new threat at set pieces is very welcome. Influence of Ozil and also Bould cos AW doesnt like this type of play! Like a lot of people i reserve judgement against better teams but i think there is a new attitude in the team and delighted to see Flamini back.

  48. underacheiver

    Sep 23, 2013, 11:51 #39606

    Rocky - Answer. Definitely has been a change in approach, which started in the latter half of last season. My take on it is that Bould and Wenger found a way to integrate their ideas. We all heard rumors of a falling out, true or not there must have been some conflict of ideas at the beginning of Boulds tenure as assistant. But now it seems we have a good balance between attack & defense. It was great to see 2 perfectly straight lines of 4 on a couple of occasions towards the end of the game yesterday.

  49. HowardL

    Sep 23, 2013, 11:42 #39605

    Spot on Paul. I like the "sing when you're winning" comment. I wasn't at Wembley '71 but I was at WHL 5 days earlier. Great to see Charlie and the old videos on screen too. That's what it's all about.

  50. Rocky RIP

    Sep 23, 2013, 11:09 #39604

    Question: since we lost to Tottenham away last March, we we've gone on a magnificent run. We won 8 of our last 10 premier league games last season, collecting 26 points from a possible 30. We've carried that into this season with 4 wins out of 5 (not to mention 10 straight away wins in all competitions.)My question is do people see a change in the way we approach matches now or are things still the same? Stoke's goal smacked of the usual nonsense at the back and the feeling that we'd needlessly shot ourselves in the foot through unforced errors and let a side back into a contest they should have been out of. However, it does appear to me that we seem more intent on staying solid as a unit and not losing first and foremost. Have we compromised a fraction of the gung ho element for the sake of maintaining a lead? Ramsey's face after Marseille was one of regret for giving away a penalty, not one of 'I'm the hero'. Exactly the attitude we need. Can you imagine this side being 4-2 up and strolling v Tottenham going into injury time and bombing forward for a fifth, only to needlessly implode and draw 4-4? I really, really hope not, but reserve judgement. There's an expectation that the current Arsenal will gift teams goals at any moment, but I'm clinging to the hope that this 'appears' to be happening less and less. Or are we just getting away with it? And yes, I've said all along that Flamini is an excellent squad addition. Gnabry had a very impressive introduction too. I also agree with people who say if you can't enjoy being top of the league, then there's something very wrong.

  51. Mike

    Sep 23, 2013, 10:55 #39603

    The criticism by many of the defence is not entirely justified - many harp on about the back four of GG era who were good at the time, but the new offside laws benefit the attacker - I have no doubt the likes of Tony Adams and Steve Bould would have been over-turned had they try to step up like they did in todays game - you can even hav a person lurking behind the back four as long as he does not "interfere". Ours has been the best in the country this year if goals conceded is anything to go by - do agree with some comments saying Ozil is attracting the defensive attention which allows Ramsey more space

  52. Paul Adams

    Sep 23, 2013, 10:41 #39602

    Wake up you miserable anti AFC who appear on all these posts. Time for optimism not cynicism. Have any of you actually attended a match at least since 1972.? I was there yesterday and am still buzzing this morning. Seeing Charlie at half time was the icing on the cake, and yes I did go to Wembley in 1971, still have the ticket stub, sad I know,but shows my long term support. Lets sing when we're winning!

  53. Kenny

    Sep 23, 2013, 10:39 #39601

    The signing of Flamini has freed Ozil Ramsey and Jack to do their jobs.As has been said many times before Flamini does what it says on the tin.He is a no frills player.Win the ball give it to a better player.He knows he's not the best player in the team but neither was Parlour.Its all about the balance of a team and thats what Flamini provides

  54. chris dee

    Sep 23, 2013, 10:38 #39600

    'rarely looked fluid ' 'not a great deal of drama' A 3-1 win. More of the same please.

  55. CanadaGooner

    Sep 23, 2013, 10:18 #39599

    @ ThomasAbbott - and why do you think your Ramsey has stepped up his game? (partly due to his belief that he's now back from the terrible injury 3 years back; the other part is because he now knows he has to perform - due to the calibre of competition that's now available); those are the intangible (or tangible?) benefits of getting good players in. In any case, 99% of arsenal fans that I know, were all calling for his head, just a few months back. @ Westlower - mate, you need to be a little bit more far-sighted. Each of the last 8 trophyless seasons we have had similar excuses? Having 'numbers' and statistics isnt what it's all about: are we not scoring enough goals? - most people will disagree. Why havent we won anything in 8 years then? - it's because we are weak when it matters most! And the rough nothern teams still manage to turn us over at will. So, what would you do to address that? (by more attacking midfielders?) - come on man! Dont just disagree for the heck of disagreeing!

  56. Dan h

    Sep 23, 2013, 10:14 #39598

    Good solid win pretty much in second gear.The second goal very much like the old set piece under GG when a certain Mr Bould used to flick it on for the likes of Adams,Smith etc to bury loved it!For the debate on Ozil what he gives us & the players is a lift.He will help improve the likes of JW & Ramsey in transfer windows to come if the right players are identified they are more likely to join money one thing but world class players attract others.Early days only 5 games in but looking forward to Cazorla coming back alongside Ozil opposition will be worried.WBA wednesday TV,Monreal,Arteta,Jenkinson,Gnabry & the return of NB52 will all start.Can see Eisfield & a few other kids given a chance.The one player who should be nowhere near The Hawthorns is Giroud can't take the risk of injury plus he must be black & blue after yesterday he had a real battle with the Stoke cb's.

  57. Westlower

    Sep 23, 2013, 10:04 #39597

    Canada Gooner, In the past 19 games our 'poor' defence has let in only 10 goals. Three of those were against Villa, where we played in part with 10 men after Koscielny was sent off. 2 penalties were awarded against us which is a very rare event for the home side in PL. Sunderland also scored a penalty. We've only conceded 7 goals from open play in 19 games. Where is the need for more CB's & GK? The defence must have played a significant part in the new club record of 10 successive away wins. When you think back to some of our great defence's (back 4 + Seaman) and miserly defending under GG, this current set of players may be better than some 'experts' give them credit for? Doubtless if the squad players get knocked out of the LC by WBA, the wallowing in self pity will descend to new depths. We still have 6 long term injuries to overcome. Compare that to Chelsea who don't have a single player out with a long term injury. Luck plays a part! We must be progressing though as we beat Stoke with Mike Dean as ref, a rare event indeed!

  58. Gaz

    Sep 23, 2013, 10:02 #39596

    Good result if not a particually great performance. One thing that shines out though is that Ozil has made a huge difference to the whole Club not only in that he's a great player but he's lifted both fans and players alike. The general atmosphere at the Club is so much better now and only goes to prove what a lot of us more critical fans were saying when we called for AW/the Club to be more ambitious in terms of transfers. Spending big isn't always the answer but sometimes it can be!

  59. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Sep 23, 2013, 10:00 #39595

    Another solid performance. We're top of the table but why are so many people getting carried away? Only 17% of the season has gone and whilst we look very good now, can we really be sure that all of the old familiar frailties have gone away? Much sterner tests lie ahead so we all need to hope that the old mistakes don't resurface. Let's hope so because the League is very very winnable this season.

  60. Dave

    Sep 23, 2013, 9:53 #39594

    It almost pains you to writes something positive Kev.... It was a good win with a clearly tired team. Its been a great recovery after the 1st game. Lets hope we can get some players back from injury and we can change things up a bit. Go and support Spurs Kev

  61. ThomasAbbott

    Sep 23, 2013, 9:18 #39593

    CanadaGooner: So what about our MOTM, he was not a £42M superstar?

  62. CanadaGooner

    Sep 23, 2013, 9:03 #39592

    Difficult to avoid the rhetorical question: is it not worth spending £42M on Ozil than stubbornly buying several £5M players from the French League? The morale booster that Ozil has offered to the club (fans and players alike) could well get us back up there this season. Hopefully we go out and get a couple of decent defenders and a goalkeeper in January. We need a no-nonsense attitude

  63. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Sep 23, 2013, 8:47 #39591

    This was an excellent game to watch. Flamini patrolled between the defence and the midfield organising and intervening where he had to. I think Kevin is right, he is a little off the pace but more games will deal with that issue. Notwithstanding that he didn't make an error all game long and we actually looked organised -er because someone was organising us. Now that situation is contagious and the whole team grew as a result. We actually defended in depth against a very good Stoke City. Sparky has them playing good football, but they still retain the old Pulis sickness. Their goal started with the sort of challenge that should have a player sent off for dangerous play. OGL nearly let the game slip away by not introducing fresh legs on time. I have reached the conclusion that at home games its actually down to us to express our view on what it's bl**din obvious that it is necessary to do. The introduction of two excellent players in midfield, Flamini and Ozil exposed what a ridiculous pass we had come to where we expected Jack to sort it all out. We also need more power and pace coming out. Cheque books out in January to strengthen further.

  64. TheRealWorld

    Sep 23, 2013, 8:35 #39590

    @Tony... Aren't football fans SUPPOSED to get excited when their team win games and put together a streak? Aren't YOU excited? Let go of the past, my brother in arms... Let's be happy Gooners for a while. I'll join you in moaning when Nasri, Cashley and RvP all score hat-tricks against us. Until then, let's enjoy the moment. If I drop dead tomorrow, I don't wanna go out moaning when we're top of the table. But hey, that's just me. Cheers buddy.

  65. Tony

    Sep 23, 2013, 8:10 #39589

    We have played 5 league games so far in the corresponding fixtures last season we won them all.Reality check.The talk has been all about Ozil and Ramsey but Flamini is the man.DM is the position we have been weak for years since Flamini left in fact.He does the dirty work others wont do.All we need now is a CB and striker in Jan