The Record Breaking Away Run Ends

Online Ed: Arsenal share spoils at West Brom



The Record Breaking Away Run Ends

Wilshere – Took time to ignite


Arsenal’s two previous visits to the Hawthorns have resulted in, perhaps, undeserved wins, although without those key points, they would have failed to make the Champions League this season and last. Certainly, it has become a fixture that no-one would anticipate an easy victory from. And so it proved yesterday. The line-up was very similar to that which gave Napoli no chance last Tuesday evening, with Wilshere for Rosicky and Jenkinson for Sagna the only changes.

However, Steve Clarke had done his homework and put a team out to make life difficult for Arsenal in the midfield. It worked. The Gunners never really established much in the way of fluidity as moves were broken up before they really got going. Plan B would have been to use more width, but with Wilshere and Ramsey nominally the wide attackers and the full backs not particularly effective at using the ball well in the final third, Arsenal did not have many ideas.

Ultimately, it was a below par performance from which a point was as much as could be expected, not least because of Nicolas Anelka’s pair of misses early in the second half when the Baggies were 1-0 up.

Remembering that West Brom took all three points at Old Trafford last weekend, a draw at their place is no bad result. If they finish in the top half of the table and Arsenal can take four points out of the six on offer from their two fixtures against Clarke’s team, it will be a decent enough return. The record run of away wins had to end sometime, and over the course of it, Arsenal have certainly been off the boil at times but managed to win. QPR away comes to mind for one.

Wenger’s concern will be whether or not others see West Brom’s performance as a blueprint in how to stop Arsenal playing. It was a frustrating afternoon. Against Napoli, the two goals came from creative play in the wide areas, but this simply did not happen yesterday. So the team have the players to make things happen, they were just unable to create the danger.

I don’t think there is any point in over-analysing this kind of game. If the Gunners had somehow managed to fathom a goal before West Brom scored, it could have been a very different afternoon. Perhaps the number of matches they are playing is beginning to take its toll, given the inability to rotate in certain positions. Aaron Ramsey was not particularly influential, but that can hardly be a surprise as the player is not a machine.

Laurent Koscielny had a slightly erratic afternoon. His challenge in injury time which the ref shrugged off could have been another cheaply conceded and unnecessary penalty and in spite of the presence of Flamini and Arteta to screen the defence, there seemed a vulnerability about the Gunners’ backline on this occasion.

Perhaps, most importantly, the team go into the two week international break off the back of a draw rather than a defeat. The table is looking interesting after seven matches, with Arsenal ahead of Liverpool on goal difference, but only two points clear of Southampton. It’s been that kind of season. Some strange results. What the Gunners must do is to continue winning the matches they should, and with the obvious exception, they have managed that so far.

Who knows whether sheer jadedness played any part in the performance yesterday? What is key is that the team win their next two league matches at home to Norwich and away to Palace to get their momentum back on track before entertaining Liverpool at home in early November. In theory, Santi Cazorla should return to the fray after the international break to give the manager the chance to rest players as the matches come thick and fast.

I pointed out last week that from the equivalent 2012/13 matches against the opposition played so far in the league this season, Arsenal had gained 18 points out of 18 (15 out of 18 so far this time). That now becomes 16 out of 21 against 21 out of 21 last time around. I am not making out that this is any major failing, but it is just very strange the way the fixture list has worked out, given the number of points that Arsenal did drop last season. Norwich at home are next up which was a 3-1 win in the previous campaign. Weird.

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  1. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 09, 2013, 13:26 #40367

    Website Editor, maybe the reason they keep coming back after readind all the rest is they realise this is the only Arsenal matter worth reading.

  2. BADARSE

    Oct 09, 2013, 12:34 #40362

    @Stroud G.R.B, I always celebrate when a custard pie hits it's target. In truth I have never seen a custard pie in my life, now egg custard is something quite different and would never be thrown, just scoffed. Regarded as a fourth place is quite an honour, but not as good as top of course. Then when Arsenal have been asked to come forth, they never came fifth! As for the main point, I don't think the post by James was as ridiculous as you suggest, he responded with a little bile, true. Born from other posts. It is a verbal tennis match after all; of course I'm playing the Plato card here, had you noticed?

  3. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Oct 09, 2013, 10:43 #40353

    @Badarse, sometimes though people make downright credulous or ridiculous comments which deserve to be pulled apart, and Ron has given a textbook demonstration of how to do that above. And 'fourth placed man' is a custard pie? I'd been given the impression that was a cause for wild celebration...

  4. BADARSE

    Oct 09, 2013, 10:23 #40352

    @Website Editor, you just scored the winning goal in the last minute! Yes, it is true, a twit, is a twit, is a twit. I am a bit new to this online medium, though the lessons learned in life do prepare you for what is likely to befall you online. I am still surprised by the clumsiness of the detractor. As you say it's odd, those haters still come back to read what you have to say. Despite the nonsense offered as an attack, there is still such a remarkably high level of awareness and understanding of Arsenal F.C, amongst the posters, I am genuinely impressed. Thanks for the words of connection. Stroud G.R.B is still wiping my last custard pie from his face, so can't respond just yet.

  5. Website Editor

    Oct 09, 2013, 9:05 #40342

    @ Badarse @ Stroud Green Boy - Wise words regards 'wrestling the pigs' gentlemen. And indeed, I don't bother. There are enough keyboard warriors online that will call black white for an argument and wish nothing more than that you indulge them. I learned long before the internet about the art of the wind up merchant through socialising with the Highbury Spy! What really intrigues me though, is that with the wealth of Arsenal reading matter online, the haters keep reading what I have to say!

  6. stuksta

    Oct 09, 2013, 8:00 #40339

    So, on the rationale that Arsenal never play well after a CL game, we've a tough game coming up at Palace on the 26th.

  7. David

    Oct 08, 2013, 21:56 #40338

    There was a pressure in this game that wasn't there in the comparable games last season: to get a result that would keep them at the top of the table. In that regard Arsenal showed a resilience that they haven't played with for 10 years. In these nasty sort of games against these nasty sort of clubs, in which every manager has a Lance Corporal Jones strategy of 'they don't like it up 'em' when playing AWs teams, it was good to see Arsenal get stuck in. A point gained rather than two lost. Arsenal's next big test is how they cope against Citeh, Chelsea and Manure.

  8. BADARSE

    Oct 08, 2013, 21:02 #40337

    @Th14afc, I go along with this belief, though it sounds paranoid. Of course it can never be proven, so therefore it can never be disproven, so I am fireproof in my view. Arsene Wenger is not a bully boy. He doesn't cut that figure, whereas Ferguson was, and did! Mourhino has the same effect, though a different personality. I just think along with an armful of others, it's a cross we have to bear. Being Arsenal can be testing in many ways. Though to be fair, in the 'thirties' we intimidated other teams. They came to Highbury, gulped, and were led like lambs to the slaughter, such was the impression created by that magnificent old lady. Though we can realistically claim we didn't do anything wrong, they were just overawed by the grandeur. Perhaps those days will return, who knows?

  9. Th14afc

    Oct 08, 2013, 20:36 #40336

    -rocky RIP makes a very good point when he states we don't scare anyone thus penalties are given against us a lot more than any if the other top 4 teams....arsenal need to get that fear factor back,haven't we got the worst record so far this season for givin away penalties?where as we have had some absolute nailed on pens not given for us already,again lack of fear factor that old whiskey nose had in abundance at old Trafford but thankfully notes doesn't hav so much

  10. Peter H

    Oct 08, 2013, 15:49 #40335

    Selection/formation about right.Could put in Gnarby but that would meant leaving out Jack.It nullified Albion who rather then put us under intense pressure had to rely on set pieces & breakaways. Would have lost this kind of game in recent years.No one was outstanding but everyone did their job.Szezesny not getting enough credit.Making at least one save a game which should be a goal.Also claiming crosses which had been a problem.Albion obviously noted this & tried to unfairly impede him.He managed to punch away when he needed too.He seems to have been making right decisions on when to catch or punch in recent games. Agree editor only pointing out a strange occurrence which continues with the next game. Resilience is starting to show & whilst it is very early days winning/ getting results breeds confidence. Never felt the frailties of old in the dying stages of the game.

  11. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 08, 2013, 14:43 #40334

    Croker, don't worry about the current standard everyone to their own, i'm sure we'd all like to read an article from yourself.

  12. BADARSE

    Oct 08, 2013, 14:34 #40333

    @croker, thanks for the kind words buddy. Write, my friend! You can always use a nom de plume, how about BADARSE? ha ha. You are a top man, as in keeping with our current position. Hang on! That means I have to revise my opinion of Stroud.G.R.B, a little. I guess he must be a fourth placed man. One custard pie delivered!

  13. Ron

    Oct 08, 2013, 13:50 #40332

    James - Thank you. I should hope theyre are a few more whove watched us for 4 decades and some, for the majority of home and a latge number of away games too like me, hence i feel ive earned the right to have a go and not swallow myths anymore. Might i add that your comments on Arsenal and other Clubs is evidence of the swallowing of myths and the fact that your view is blinkered in the extreme. Here goes 1. Perfection isnt possible 2. Im of the view that many fans at Arsenal have been bored rigid from time time to time by aimless tippy tap tip yet not many will admit it. 3 i m not of the view that Arsenals football has been as good as the hype since the period August 07 to February 08.4. There are many types of football. The physical type, the tika takka type and long ball types etc. I see the merit in all of them. 5. Arsenals football has lacked elements of all of those other types of football for quite some years now, hence theyve failed except for the 'top 4 Cup' of course. 6. Since not taking up my ST 2 years ago and just now surviving on a ration of what my meagre red and a loaned Silver gives to me, oddly enough i do get the chance to go with freinds to see other Clubs from time to time. Its made me more the 'football fan' as much as an Arsenal fan. Maybe i was as biased and myth blinded as you at one time of the day. I hope not though!7. Ive seen Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea and yes, i confess even the odd Spud game down the years. I think Chelsea in the last 8 years have been a fabulous side some of the time, at others not so hot. Liverpool in my view this season are playing the best football by far, though i saw Everton the other week v Chelsea and theyre quite exiting too. Only seen Spurs v Arsenal the other week. Not so good that day, but their a new team.. Over the years Utd and the others have had great sides, not so much Tottenham. To say theyre all 'turgid' shows an absolute void of knowledge about football on your part. Man Utd - turgid? Grow up! Totts have played some great football since the early 60S from time to time and as for your Liverpool comments, are you for real? I feel able to comment objectively nowadays and its a good feeling as football is a game dying in its own sea of greed corruption and mediocrity in my view. Its very liberating to look at it free of Arsenal bias, while always having Arsenal as 'my Club' at the very root of things still. In betweeen times i coach childrens football and its fair to say that many like me are astounded by the naivety we see from professionals. Accordingly, i speak as i see it. It doesnt make me right or a fountain of knowledge but i like to think ive a fair idea about football. Do you contribute anything to football save for sitting quietly and comfortably with the large array of tarquins and mannekins at Arsenal, ignoring all opponents merits and hoping the myth that our Club has spun will spring into reality? I suspect not. 8. Its fine by me that you disagree with me. I dont care. Its healthy to see a new view but will all due respect, to simply condemn all others who make football what it is, whats it was and what it might be again is rude, disrespectful and quite frankly totally wrong and ill informed.9 Arsenal are a decent side. Nothing special. The football there isnt scintillating as you like to think. Its far from it. 10 To criticise football Clubs inc my own and to suggest some players arent up to it isnt heresy you know. Its allowed. It doesnt detract from my support. I still cheer the team on even on those days whan we are turgid. Ive still got my views though and i dont make excuses for defeats. AW does enough of that for everybody to feed off.Try opening your eyes, shake off your shackles. You might enjoy it. I do!.

  14. BADARSE

    Oct 08, 2013, 13:49 #40331

    @Stroud.G.R.B, once again a lucid view, and sound advice. I know much of what I have said in my life has just drifted up into the ether, but I still keep saying it. You know in literary circles many refuse to engage with the criticisms they attract on their webs. They even have a term for it, it's called, 'Wrestling the pig!' General advice is, never wrestle the pig. I am still learning. Thank you for you magnanimous response, now get the custard pies at the ready...throw!

  15. Croker

    Oct 08, 2013, 12:39 #40330

    @BADARSE your 7.42 post is as nicely put and spot on as ever. I've had a go a few years ago at submitting articles but the current standard of writing from all the contributors is such that I've given up. They're all to be applauded for getting up on stage and taking the time to share their thoughts with the rest of us. If anyone disagrees then jump up top and take a bow - it's not as easy as it appears.

  16. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Oct 08, 2013, 11:55 #40329

    @ Badarse, post 43181, thank you for your words, and I more or less agree with your broad sentiment, but I think it is fear of possible consequence that keeps people's manners in check, generally speaking. Look how much more rude and aggressive they become behind the wheel, protected by a metal box able to get them away quickly. The same logic applies to any internet forum. I think we have to accept the rough 'n' tumble or walk away!

  17. James

    Oct 08, 2013, 11:36 #40328

    Ron, Arsenal have a lot like you who go to watch them. Teams like Spurs, Liverpool ,Chelsea and even Manure would die to see the sort of football played at the Emerites that you turn your nose up at. Do you not watch the crap these other teams fans have to put up with. Even Manure who have won a lot under Fergie had to deal with pretty turgid football and Spurs haven't had any good football played since Arthur Rowe in the 1950's. You are a hard man to please and I think you are looking for perfection that doesn't exist.

  18. BADARSE

    Oct 08, 2013, 10:29 #40327

    @Alsace, I agree about the team selection on Saturday. It was a cautious strategy, born out by recent form of WBA. It is always easy to be wise after the event of course, and tempting to allow your mind to wander into speculation of what might have been. With the absence of a recognised wide man in Saturday's squad it proved a dilemma. As you suggest, Ozil and Flamini look a nailed on pair. The trio can be any of a selection of players, but I would put Aaron there as the man in form. A permutation of other interested parties is somewhat mouth watering to me. With Pod out wide could Santi be a third man? Jack is an automatic choice of course, but even the youngster Gnabry might do well as that third man. My favourite player Rosicky would be another alternative. This area, beyond the actual position and results we have attained so far, fills me with a sense of optimism. Ox and Theo to add to the list, plus Mikael's pedigree on offer, then Frimpong and Diaby in the deep background. An astonishing array of talent.

  19. Croker

    Oct 08, 2013, 10:29 #40326

    I think Kev the Editor calls things as he sees them - fair enough. Koscielny is vastly improved but must cut out the inevitable rash lunge he seems to make in our penalty area every match because everybody collapses like a dying fly nowadays even if breathed upon. Fortunately, Lee Mason was out to upset both sets of fans and ignored another clattering from Kos. Shane Long was clearly instructed to maraud and bash into our defence and in doing so, probably did n't help his penalty cause.I thought Jenks played well and as others have already posted, he needs a run of games to help him tighten up on his tracking back and marking. Fortunately, we are spoilt for choice with Sagana back to his very best, fitness permitting. Midfield competition is also brilliant but we need that true wideman who can dazzle like an Overmars or more subtly like Bobby Pires and unlock defences. We are well and truly cream crackered though when Giroud is blowing cold and must sign a top drawer out and out goalscorer. Hope that's constructive and it's great to be loving the overall performance in each match and a hard fought point to keep us top.

  20. Westlower

    Oct 08, 2013, 10:28 #40325

    Ron, I have every confidence that my players will rise to the challenge. Thanks for your support, as always, and enjoy the game. Arsene

  21. Ron

    Oct 08, 2013, 10:14 #40324

    Westlower - Ha. Ive suspected you for months now Arsene but thought id mention it now matey!!Nothing personal when we have a go at you fella, as you seem a really nice guy. Too much time on here though, reading our collective wisdom is diverting you from getting a damn decent goalkeeper!!!

  22. Alsace Lorraine De Totteridge

    Oct 08, 2013, 9:39 #40323

    We now have a genuine and interesting argument about what to do in the midfield. Flamini and Ozil are no brainers. I would say the Welshman as well. The question is (with one up front) which two do you play from Arteta, Jack or Rosicky? Jack shouldn't play every game. He isn't going to get well unless he's rested, so I would play Rosicky so long as he's fit, and choose between the other two according to the opposition. I don't agree that Wenger got the team selection wrong. West Brom are fit, well drilled and their passing is very accurate. Steve Clarke is a good coach. The last thing we wanted to do was give them control of midfield and it was a fight. We need to tighten up generally, but the arrival of Flamini and Ozil has brought hope where ther was zilch, so I expect them to get better by themselves. I wouldn't bring Walcott back as a starter except if he was playing up front on his own. A spell out of the team will make him hungry, which he needs.

  23. Westlower

    Oct 08, 2013, 8:13 #40322

    Ron, You've rumbled me! I thought somebody would work it out by now as I always sit or stand in the technical area of the West Lower. As for beating Man U in the Cup Final. I thought my players looked tired from watching CL games on TV, so I decided to shut the game down and spare our aching legs for a penalty shoot out. As usual my decision was justified when creaky bones PV smashed home the winner. Easy, peasy!! Are you aware that smelling coffee after you wake up can seriously impair your judgement, that is if you have any? Best wishes, Arsene.

  24. BADARSE

    Oct 08, 2013, 7:42 #40321

    This article? The previous one? Any one? They are generally greeted with the same underlying disdain. Kevin, apart from writing a lot of sense has a status upheld by the many. He is free from many critical reactions, due to the position he holds, perhaps. He never writes a vicious or extreme article his criticisms will be of a less vitriolic level. Yet criticism he gets. Every other article gets the same and worse. Scathing attacks are different to constructive and debateable posts. I am often dismayed by the poor manners on show. I know Arsenal fans are inherently the same as other fans, they are people, therefore have those with shoddy manners too, but I somehow want us to be a little classier. Any article presented has to be thought of in embryonic form. Structured around a theme, written, polished and presented. No matter that the view, or subject isn't exactly an individual's cup of tea, it is still a labour. Why does it get on this website? Because the writer wants to connect, communicate, and is an Arsenal fan. I think that is pretty emphatic. Every article deserves acceptance, and gratitude, in a dignified manner. I touched on this in a post recently. As a matter of course I always thank the subscriber. Stroud.G.R.B has a different viewpoint to me in one explored aspect. Yet is articulate and persuasive in his offerings. He generally is courteous and polite in our exchanges. I have recommended others follow his lead before. I still disagree with his basic conclusion in the direction AFC should head, but have immense respect for him. How many can say that? I think some should take a long hard look at their behaviour on here, and go up a level. Ironic that many call for the manager and team to do this very thing. Come on gentlemen, you are Arsenal, after all.

  25. DW Thomas

    Oct 08, 2013, 0:15 #40320

    Arteta should not be a starter right now. Flamini and Ramsey are too on form and Wenger has just shown again he lacks tactical expertise. Ramsey wimped out on the cross leading to their goal and turned his back after not closing down quickly enough. And both Gibbs and jenkinson did not mark their man tightly enough. Not a great game for us. Lucky to get a point. The jury is still way out on this team. We need a couple,more players and a better plan B to break down teams. On Jack, I love the lad. He never quits and just needs to mature and he could be great, maybe better than Scholes or Gerrard. He is simply that type of player whose best attributes cause him to get fouled too often. But he is not a winger and Gnabry should starting with Jack in the middle. What do I know, though. Our wing play was poor and we need more options. This was the type of game screaming for a top class striker to weave some magic. But, who did we have? The Viking. No way we were winning that game!

  26. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 07, 2013, 23:27 #40319

    Jim, i doubt very much the only reason he is (kev) is making the comparison is to be negative, it's been used for what it is a comparison, a statistic, is it wrong? he has also stated he's not making this out to be any kind of failing,is he a liar? but he's still being accused of doing just that. He had ample chances to be negative in his report on the game rather than go back to last season but didn't. The only reason yourself and others are getting the hump is because of the realisation of what a lot of others already know, and have been saying since the start of the season that this manager and team still have a lot to prove.

  27. Rocky RIP

    Oct 07, 2013, 23:18 #40318

    @westlower - if Dennis had put that penalty away in 1999, history would have been very, very different. People easily forget but we were well on course for the league title again and would have looked very good for a back to back double. Suddenly all the momentum switched to Man U. In fairness their comeback against Juventus was immense and arguably Roy Keane's finest hour. Whisky nose's intimidation of referees was worth several points a season. I don't see the fear in ref's faces now when faced with a split 50/50 decision. They used to go for the safer option rather than incur his wrath and get de-selected from refereeing another Man U game for months, as happened to Jeff Winter and Mark Clattenburg. Refs knew that they couldn't get it wrong or he'd kick up an almighty stink and they wouldn't be chosen for his games. A vile, manipulative sod, but I'm sure we wouldn't have complained if he was ours. I don't see Moyes getting as many favourable decisions, especially after his comments about Young's diving. I hope I'm not proved wrong. It's the same as when people say 'you'll never get given a penalty for that, not in front of the kop'. Why not?! Refs are human and will err on the side of an easier life. This doesn't seem to apply at our ground. We don't scare anyone.

  28. Goonerbadger

    Oct 07, 2013, 22:27 #40317

    Yes we didnt play so well yesterday, but as with the opening day fixture, if the ref had done his job properly, we might still have got a win. We should have had 2 pens for fouls on Jack. The first just after half time when he got his shot away but was clearly then taken out, the second at 1 -1 when the defender cleaned his legs out to get to the ball. You can guarantee if they were the other way round they would have been given. Motd2 was a disgrace, not even showing the second one at all, but choosing to concentrate on Kos knocking the forward in the back in injury time. Yes that could have been given also, but if thats a pen (and dont forget the forward went down holding his head which wasnt touched) then pretty much any contact in the box must be a pen. Motd2 chose to go over Kos's previous, in particular the pen against villa, whereas the second foul on Jack was much more similar and should have borne comparison, but they didn't even mention it. Hansen is still bitter over 89, and shows the reason why we should stick together and stuff it up the lot of them.

  29. Ron

    Oct 07, 2013, 21:32 #40316

    Westlower - Going to the games we have BEFORE CL games over the last 5-6 years have been equally as drab, turgid and lacking passion, esp when away from home! How do you explain that one? Would that be in anticipation of the tiredness that will set in for the game AFTER the CL tie? I think Wenger could walk out onto a pitch and openly inject the players with malaria and you would find some excuse for the teams inevitable but so often repeated lethargy, apart from any of it being down to Wengers influence. The hold that he has on your thinking is worrying at best.He tolerates lethargy, half witted performances, 'hand brakes' being held on, physical 'drops' and being 'short'etc etc. Its not a surprise that some players, some of the time and some players all of the time take advantage of it. You've mentioned Ferguson with your unsupported claim to facts there, a view that many trot out yet never give examples. good many Cups are won by an outplayed team, yet a team who played to the last whistle as Manure did in 99 can often turn games round. That they did so often across Taggarts career, was due to him not tolerating all those facets i mentioned in context of Wenger. Indeed Villa were outplayed by Munich in 1982 as i recall, yet won the European Cup. Was that Fergusons fault, pulling strings from his job at Aberdeen at that time? As they say, wake up and smell the coffee, you wont die from it and Arsene wont know, unless you are perhaps Arsene? Is that you Arsene? How did you beat Utd in the FAC in 2005 Arsene? You never had a crafty word yourself with the FA did you? Cmon, fess up now you crafty blighter!!

  30. Westlower

    Oct 07, 2013, 20:51 #40315

    Jeff Wright, The exception of Fergie's treble proves the rule. Never been done before or since. Man U get more major ref decisions go their way than any other English club. Fergies intimidation of the officials was a potent weapon and made the difference in UK. Completely outplayed by Bayern in 99 final but I'm not bitter! The game was slower in 99, even Teddy kept up with play. DB's missed penalty helped their cause. If you want to see AFC play their best football don't go to the game after a CL game.

  31. Stevieo

    Oct 07, 2013, 20:01 #40314

    Kevin, some fans just aren’t interested in an objective match analysis. Thankfully you call it as it is. The game was drab. Why anyone would want you to dress it up as anything else I don’t know. But then I’m baffled as to what some people see judging by some comments? Had the ref given West Brom a last minute penalty, I fail to see how anyone could have complained? But there’d have been the usual ‘the refs are against us’ claims. If that excuse fails to convince, here’s a new one on me, let’s throw in ‘the FA are against us’ for making us play a game after a midweek CL fixture. As for the stats on how we got on against these same teams last year, I personally don’t read anything in to it. Wenger’s teams have shown over the years that they are capable of turning up lethargic and disinterested on any given day against any team, just as they are capable of turning it on like they did last Tuesday.

  32. Man United Killer

    Oct 07, 2013, 19:54 #40313

    @Ron, AJAAFC, Good post guys.I agree that Jenkinson is not the fullback with all the bells and whistled you would associate with Arsenal but the kid hardly got any help down the right flank.I think he would have gotten some decent crosses in if he had more help down the flank.We need genuine wide men.Ramsey is doing well through the middle so I don't know why Wenger played him on the flanks.I think the Arteta/Flamini combination was too conservative.That is a bit of a surprise because I expected Arteta to be a bit more creative.Is it just me or is Arteta the king of backwards and sideways passing? PS *The first image verification code NEVER works if even if I enter it correctly*

  33. jeff wright

    Oct 07, 2013, 19:42 #40312

    Westflower,cart before the horse and all that. I have no problem with squad players being used in the domestic cups, but you originally said you wanted the kids to be used . You could say that playing in the Champions League ,or Europa Cup even, makes life difficult in the league. It's amazing how Ferguson did that treble, perhaps not thinking about players lacking sharpness helped ?

  34. Jim

    Oct 07, 2013, 19:42 #40311

    maguiresbridge gooner, the only reason he is making the comparison is to find something negative to say. It's the most absurd thing to do. Imagine if we were in 10th place right now, but had performed better than we had done against equivalent teams last season. As if you guys would all be on here saying, "it's ok, we are actually on course to amass more points than we did last year."

  35. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 07, 2013, 19:19 #40310

    jeff wright, well said it's nice to be on top of the pile especially when it's because the spuds got stuffed, but it means nothing at the minute and as you've said will mean nothing until the last day of the season. There's to many getting carried away and believing the hype maybe even the players themselves yesterday, because we've won nothing yet. And there's a hell of a lot of work to be done before we do, and as Jumpers for goalposts has already pointed out eradicating the bad habits of old would be a good start because they're still there no matter how well we're playing, as the goal we conceded showed us.

  36. Westlower

    Oct 07, 2013, 19:12 #40309

    jeff wright, Should we reach LC Final, we'll be playing 16 games (+ 3 potential FA Cup replays) in 61 days, a game every 3/4 days. Hardly the prep we need for when the PL & CL gets serious in March/April. No team can sustain a run in all the competitions without falling between the stalls as physical & mental fatigue kicks in. It would be folly not to play the squad players in the domestic cups.

  37. billthered

    Oct 07, 2013, 18:57 #40308

    Rocky RIP agree with you about some of comments on here I and my son gave up our season tickets this season but the club have let us renew next year as we realise how much we miss it,so we went to WBA yesterday and enjoyed the craic with the away boys.Anyway back to your thoughts about some of the people on here I have been critical of how the club is run and give them their due they did what we all wanted and spent big now they must do it again in January then we can actually win something.Unlike some on here I would never in a million lifetimes want my team to lose a game and I suggest that those who do make your way along the Seven Sisters road.

  38. dartford gooner

    Oct 07, 2013, 18:55 #40307

    Tom, Ajaafc, Ron, for Christ sake give it a rest, to say jenks is not in the top 50 right backs is total crap. What is it with some of you guys, first it was Szczesny, then Ramsey now Jenks. They are all young and still learing their trade, the first two have made lots of people eat their words and given time i think jenks will to.Just think back two or three years when we did have a total crap right back, his name was Eboue. Many years ago i remember a twat behind me on the north bank saying after big Tonys first game 'another crap centre half' . I think he got that one wrong somehow.You have got to give young players time, some will make it some will not, but slagging them off will not help

  39. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Oct 07, 2013, 18:26 #40306

    @Pete Cavill, yes I have never, ever had the image verification accept it first time, always needs at least two goes. Something to iron out there I think. Kevin Whitcher simply pointed out the strange fact that the team that dropped so many points last season actually won what happen to be our first 8 games this season. The anti-Kevs are such purely because he isn't pro-Wenger.

  40. Ron

    Oct 07, 2013, 18:15 #40305

    Jeff Wright - Your wasting your energy arguing good sense like that with the AW can do no wrong fraternity on here matey, esp after a few wins strung together v low grade opposition. AJAAFC - At last, another who say it as he sees it. jenkinson may well be a lovely guy, a full back for a supposed top Club he isnt, never was, and never will be. He shdt be near that sqaud. Basic full back play is ignored by Wenger as he s no idea what it calls for. ALL teams cash in Jenkinson being too advanced and too slow to get back. Wait till hes wandered, drop it in behind him, use a player as a decoy to confuse him(he goes to the decoy EVERY time)player gets behind him and seeks to make as much ground inwards along the bye line so to cross or shoot. Works so often, but also on both sides of the pitch. The CB s look on bemused. Its pathetic. Slight change at the moment as Flamini is busting a gut to step in, either side of the pitch. He wont keep it up. Theres not a full back at the Club worthy of being classed as a pure full back.Couple that with a CB too immobile to turn and with no pace (BFG) and another who s a disaster waiting to happen (Koschielny)and you've a recipe for a top team to ruin that defence totally. They ll get away with it v the lesser lights more often than not if luck intervenes as at WBA. I d be ashamed to have my 2 under 14 full backs doing tricks like the full backs at Arsenal. I truly would.

  41. Ron

    Oct 07, 2013, 17:59 #40304

    Westlower - The too many games argument can run forever mate. I would have to say though, as one who was at that 8-2 mauling, that playing a game 3-4 days before, if it had any bearing on it at all, it was surely minimum. Lack of motivation, lack of tactical nous and poor selection spring to mind more so for me. These are highly fit young men, who have nothing to think about except playing football. Between a CL game and a league game, there's no training even, save for stretching, loosening and conditioning. You dont have to take it from me, but i do know how it works. On this occasion on Sunday too there was no travelling involved either apart from a 100 mile coach journey to WBA, of which may have even been a flight to Bham International airport (as occurs when away at Aston Villa more often than not) and thus a 20 min coach journey. A team carrying a lot of knocks and long standing niggles can be handicapped by a game glut yes, but tiredness - 6 games into a Season. Do me a favour.

  42. Pete Cavill

    Oct 07, 2013, 17:57 #40303

    Once again a good analysis of the season so far and the match yesterday Kevin. Still far too early to get carried away but nice to be top of the league. I find it rather ironic that people on here accusing Kevin of having some kind of anti-Arsenal agenda have an anti-Kevin agenda (it's always the same contributers). Give it a rest! If you read Kevin's articles at face value they generally make common sense. PS has anyone else posting found these image verifications difficult to get right? It takes me about 5 goes every time!

  43. jeff wright

    Oct 07, 2013, 17:40 #40302

    Westflower your point about Mourinho having a stronger squad,that allowed him to send on two top player to win the game at Norwich , is the only sensible one that you made in your post. Chelsea having a stronger squad than us is why they are a shorter price with the bookies to win the Prem. We only have an outside chance of doing so. If Wenger had signed Suarez as well as Ozil then it might be a different story. That bird has flown now though. The sight of Bendtner trotting out yesterday compared with the class of player that Mourinho sent on to win his game at Norwich says it all really. Our midweek CL game was at home , so our players had time to recover from it . Anyway, We have seen these flat sort of displays like yesterday's one when the team has had a weeks rest . Wenger needs to win a game against Mourinho - this is something that he has never managed before to do - the league cup at home is a good opportunity for Arsene to break his duck against Jose - with Chelsea having a busy fixture list themselves to contend with Jose will have to rest some of his players . This is a cup tie though when we will need men - not boys. The kids should play in the youth cup. Of course if Wenger does play a first team against Mourinho and loses then it might produce negative effects - I suspect that this is the real reason why you want kids to be played - rather than the men. On the positive side though a win will surely give our players a boost for the tough games to come? Apart from keeping us in a competition that we would have a realistic chance of winning - after donkeys years of Arsene's 4th place is a trophy being all that w e have had to celebrate. If Wenger can put first teams out in the Emirates Cup then he should do so in the League Cup - at least it's a proper trophy.

  44. AJAAFC

    Oct 07, 2013, 17:11 #40301

    @Underachiever @BADARSE Jenkinson displayed a fundamental lack of any defensive ability yesterday. Which is not the same as someone like Ramsey for instance - who showed potential that could be nurtured. As much as I like young Carl and the fact he is a true Gooner - HE IS NOT IN THE TOP 50 RIGHT BACKS IN ENGLAND! Positive - He can cross a ball very well - BUT the WBA game displayed four KEY things that mean he should be nowhere near our side. -From the 26th minute attempt at a header that you genuinely would not see in your local park on a Sunday. -The positioning and attempt at a challenge on the WBA goal incident. -The first 15 minutes of the second half where he could be found trotting over the half-way line at most points of a WBA attack (down his side which they cleverly targeted). Was he told to play as a winger - he did this right in front of Arsene? -The fact they also targeted him with high balls when this became clear to Clarke on the sidelines that he cannot jump and challenge (like the incident where he nearly did himself serious damage on about 75mins). I like the lad, I really do, but there is no way he should ever be a considered option for Arsenal FC - injuries or not. Please bear in mind that he was denied a move to Crawley Town when at Eastbourne Borough as they felt they had two better right backs in their Conference title winning season. He is living a dream and it's now time to put an end to it with a return to the lower leagues with our very best wishes!

  45. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 07, 2013, 16:59 #40300

    Would those who think Kev is wrong to compare results be saying the same if the comparison was different eg, more favorable? SGRB makes a very good point.

  46. Joe

    Oct 07, 2013, 16:53 #40299

    I think the two games a week and injuries finally caught up with us. With a full squad or thereabouts we'd have won this. Anothe season we would have lost this kind of game. Early days but hopeful ones too.

  47. Jim

    Oct 07, 2013, 16:25 #40298

    Yes, Ray, Kev is always spot on. Like his inside scoop a couple of years ago that we would sign Cahill and Jagielka. Like how he predicted last season that we wouldn't make the top 4. And it's a wonder that Steve Bould is still at the club given how many occasions Kev reported training ground bust ups between him and Wenger last season.

  48. Westlower

    Oct 07, 2013, 16:01 #40297

    Ron, Far from being bull-crap the effects of playing CL midweek is not to be underestimated. Fergie used to create merry hell if Man U had an away PL fixture after playing in CL. We managed to overcome Sunderland away earlier in the season as did Man U at the weekend, thanks to a fresh & rested unknown 18 year old. RVP missed relatively easy chances probably due to lack of sharpness caused by fatigue, as did Giroud. Chelsea benefited from a stronger squad by getting a late win at Norwich.I won't even mention what happened at the Lane. You only have to go back to the 8-2 at OT after we played in 30+ degree heat on the Wednesday in Italy before turning up on Saturday with a team depleted of players and the remainder were out on their feet. To compound an already dire situation we also had a player sent off. It was well publicised in the Racing Post that anybody who likes a bet on football matches should borrow money to fill their boots because the bookies were giving easy money away by betting on a game that was so loaded in favour of the rested home team. The result was the most predictable EVER in a football match played in PL. Lo and behold, who are we playing the weekend after we play Dortmund away, why it's another trip to OT. How dishonest is that Mr PL fixture compiler? To a much lesser degree that's why we don't want to be lingering for too long in the League Cup if we want to win the PL. Play the kids against Chelsea and if we go out, so be it!

  49. Man United Killer

    Oct 07, 2013, 15:34 #40296

    We should have bagged all three points.The player's put in a decent shift but Wenger got his tactics wrong.Why play Ramsey on the flank when his best position is in the middle of the pitch? On the other hand not many people expected us to be top of the pile.So let's enjoy it whiles it last and get behind the boys because come May, we probably wont be top of the pile.FACT!

  50. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 07, 2013, 15:04 #40295

    I think it would be fair to say that with our form so far, and all the hype surrounding it, most of us would have been expecting a win. We certainly didn't show much of our previous form, and certain players certainly didn't either but the 1-1 was probably a fair result on the day and a welcome point. Was it a bit of complacency creeping in with the players starting to believe the hype also? Or a mixture of tiredness (after seven games)and West brom getting their tactics right with us having no plan B? I don't know what it was with jack (to many fags) but he made up for it with his goal even if that's all he done, the donkey was brought on to win the game but it didn't work as he just managed to graze until the final whistle. We didn't play well but the most important thing is we weren't beaten and in a better position going into the break than the spuds tee hee. Maybe the break has come at a good time for the players because they'll not get it at their/this club, although woy and the rest will have to get their moneys worth now and any thing could happen. But hopefully they come back injury free and go on another run or continue this one and show us what we were seeing before yesterday. Good report Kev.

  51. Ron

    Oct 07, 2013, 13:45 #40294

    Jamie - consistency is the word youre looking for i think, not so much negativity. So far as this season is concerned, my views are oft seen on here i.e check things at Xmas when this team of ours have played a few real opponents and not the weaker set who we ve been playing so far, that has you and youre like hysterically crowing about 'titles' etc etc. If you want negativity though, im perfectly happy to say that im not of the view this team is really that much stronger than any of the last few years. Blaming the tetchy, scratchy and at times nervy performance at WBA on Sunday on the game v Napoli on tiredness is total bullcrap. What it looked like was a return to the same turgid and weak offerings we ve seen so often since 2007 at least. WBA though a solid outfit at home we re given so much respect it was quite silly. The Arteta/ Flamini axis v WBA was poor tactically as was JW playing wide. Albion saw the chance to get on the offensive as a result of Wengers selections being clearly made to avoid defeat. A title winning outfit, crushes the life out of such willing opponents and then takes the game by its scruff. JWs goal wd in my view have been saved had it not have taken the deflection. We created little all game. Thats the truth of what was seen at Albion on Sunday. Albion will be upset they never won the game, esp as the barge by Koschielny was a clear pen. Its right that a team cant purr like a Rolls Royce every game, but the teams who do win titles rarely fall below a certain level. We do. We re either quite scintillating (esp where an opponent stands off) or bloody awful and Sunday was very much the latter. They looked disjointed right from back to front.

  52. Paddy

    Oct 07, 2013, 13:37 #40293

    Some people are only capable of reading what they want to read even though they claim they don't want to read negative articles. I think Kevin's point about the points tally from the equivalent opponents last season was merely to demonstrate the vagaries of the fixture list and how it has handed us a run of 8 games at the start of the season that we won last time round. Many of those matches came in the second half of last season and were critical to our run to fourth. Kevin also comments that we're only two pioints ahead of Southampton, but then says there have been some strange results - I don't think he's criticising Arsenal in that sentence, but praising Southampton who have started the season superbly. It's all a matter of perception, but I do think some people will find a negative in pretty much anything which is written.

  53. BADARSE

    Oct 07, 2013, 13:35 #40292

    @Spaced, good posts, pal. Personally I have craved a wide wing man for years, they don't make them anymore! Yes we can get benefits from Walcott wide, but he only brings half the package to the game. He puts men on the back foot which allows space for others, he cannot cross a ball though. So too with slower men played wide, Pod and Ox, they bustle and go down the line after a fashion, not so speedily as Theo, which has a similar effect i.e opening up the game and giving more space for others to exploit. It would be a real eye opener if we suddenly found a naturally wide man, a la Marwood, Overmaars,even Thierry, Freddie, Silvain, Robert could use the width very intelligently, but it depends on so many other factors, strong running full backs who also can cross like Sagna. We lose much when he is absent.

  54. Spaced

    Oct 07, 2013, 13:14 #40291

    I think the Flamini/Arteta combo in the centre is excellent and long overdue, in my eyes. Not too overcautious or defensive at all, in fact, the freedom that having this combo can give to our attacking players could make for a far more attacking arrangement.

  55. jeff wright

    Oct 07, 2013, 13:11 #40290

    Thanks for the advice Gary Gooner - but I celebrate being top of the league on the last day of the season. So if you don't mind I will keep the Champers on ice until then.

  56. Spaced

    Oct 07, 2013, 13:03 #40289

    The main thing for me this season, is the manner in which we have accrued our points. Up to the WBA match, we have performed very well in this run. I can see a lot of positives which inspires hope for a successful season. . . . With regards to yesterday's match - I felt that another striker was not the solution, we had no width, what with the 5 central midfielders we put out. Giroud performed well (I'm a big fan) but the service from wide areas was non-existent. Once Walcott and Podolski return it will give us more options for matches such as this. Additionally, WBA were organised and played with confidence (as you would expect after doing over Man U) so they deserve credit.

  57. JER

    Oct 07, 2013, 12:55 #40288

    I think playing both Flamini and Arteta against a team like WBA was too cautious. It's ok winning the ball but if you don't do much with it, it's wasted. As a result both Ramsey and Wilshere played wider than they liked and it meant we played without enough natural width. We need the whole width of the pitch to suit our pass and move game, as against Napoli. I would only play the Flamini/Arteta axis in away games at the top teams in the PL and CL. Otherwise the two more defensive midfielders should be one of Flam/Art and one of Rambo/Jack.

  58. Ray

    Oct 07, 2013, 12:53 #40287

    The reason why so many of us are sceptical is we have been down this road before in the last 8 years its nothing new.And Kev has been spot on with his commentaries over the last few season.Top many Gooners have been going over the top at our start as Kev says we are 2 pts ahead of Southampton.Yesterday Wenger picked the wrong team end of.To accommadate Arteta it meant both Ramsey and Wilshere on the wings.Look we have Flamini in the team we didnt need Arteta to start.And the striker situation is coming back to haunt us when Bendtner came on you knew we were happy with a draw

  59. JAMIE

    Oct 07, 2013, 12:50 #40286

    Look what you've done! you've made Ron go back to his old negative self. I hope we beat Norwich otherwise it will be Peter Wain, Tony Evans and the rest of the groovy gang with a good old AKB's jibba-jabba, Arsene Wenger jibba-jabba Online Gooner Neg-fest.

  60. GaryGooner

    Oct 07, 2013, 12:45 #40285

    Forget the validaty of last years results, whether we are going to balls it up or if we havent played any of the top teams can't we just enjoy it for a change. We are TOP OF THE LEAGUE or hadn't we noticed. UP THE GUNNERS!

  61. BADARSE

    Oct 07, 2013, 12:38 #40284

    @S.G.R.B, no it doesn't work like that. Life is not black and white, and people shouldn't be made to feel awkward or nervous. No one needs to look over their shoulder all the time, rubber-stamping each and every one of their thought processes. I think Kev's article thread is perfectly valid. Some think it overdone as it has been a constant, I don't. I place no store by it whatsoever though, too many variable facets to derive any sense of product, but interesting enough in an article, or a follow up. The trend from last season has also little import, as you rightly suggest, but it is just that, a trend! Trends can be observed and built upon. Players feel it, even at junior level you want to maintain the accepted status quo, so it may work for our boys. If nothing else it is a theme for conversation, probably no more. I still can't get the hang of this posting lark. You almost have to be so precise you are buttock clenching, or you slide along into a cavalier, no holds barred remit. You and I, face to face would no doubt mention any sequence, acknowledge and move on. So too if one of us drew attention to a comparison of corresponding results. It would bring a similar acknowledgement. I think Kevin will lose the topic now, and anyone who states the sequence dating from early last season will carry little credence for us two-and most others- except as a way of reminding us that the trend is ongoing.

  62. jeff wright

    Oct 07, 2013, 12:33 #40283

    Wenger is right to advise that it's too soon to draw any conclusions from our early season results. We are top on GD over Liverpool with the same points , they have had a similar start to the season to us . The only conclusion that I can draw from the results so are is that once again the spuds are not the title contenders that their supporters claim that they are. Some things never change. Including our own defending - that will need to improve if we are going to beat the top sides in the Prem in head to heads. Kosser is always an accident waiting to happen,and anyone who thinks he was not fortunate to give away another penalty yesterday needs a visit to SpecSavers.The results against the top sides such as Chelsea and City will decide who wins the league ,with the top teams all getting similar results against the lesser sides - such as Villa and West Brom ,Southampton etc.

  63. DannyJW

    Oct 07, 2013, 12:32 #40282

    Agree with the comments regarding Arteta and Flamini both playing has a knock on effect with Jack/Aaron having to play wide. Feel Aaron esp deserved a little better what with the season he is having. Think perhaps Gnarby should have played to give the team a better balance. However, with four more natural wide men on the sidelines it was square pegs in round holes and a draw was a decent result. If we sort out our injuries to a managable level and buy a striker in January I believe we can be champions!

  64. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    Oct 07, 2013, 12:32 #40281

    I think what Kev is trying to show us when he points out our return from last season is we haven't played the teams we normally drop points against yet. If that stays true to past seasons then we would be worse off and the start isn't all it's cracked up to be. However, I agree there are too many variables as someone put it but you have to say that on paper, as with the run in last year, we have had a nice easy start unlike United who are getting pelters. I think yesterday was down to injuries and lack of cover up front as we couldn't freshen it up from the start or make many game altering subs. If we have had Corzola, ox, theo and Podolski fit then we would have had decent options and the chance to inject some width and pace into our game. Hopefully another forward will be coming in in January. You've got to be pleased with our start but a tougher time to come and I reckon by early December we will truly know where we are.

  65. Ron

    Oct 07, 2013, 12:21 #40280

    Good point. Tough place to go is WBA.Lucky though. Anelka of a couple years back wd have buried both chances he fluffed. He ripped Mertersacker apart. Mert and Kos are just not good enough v good forwards. Koscheilny is only ever a moment from a total rash screw up.

  66. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Oct 07, 2013, 12:14 #40279

    Comments saying comparing like to like results from last season aren't valid may have a point, e.g. different squads etc. However, if we accept that, then it also follows that it's not valid to carry over sequences of results from last season (e.g. one defeat since March - a seven month period in which no matches were played for three months). Either you think it's valid to link to last season or you don't.

  67. Jim

    Oct 07, 2013, 12:11 #40278

    As has been pointed out on numerous occasions, Kev, it's all very well pointing out that Arsenal have amassed fewer points from the equivalent fixtures from last season, but how did their rivals fair in their equivalent fixtures so far? Tell me, how did Man U do at home to West Brom and away to Liverpool? How did spurs do at home to West Ham? And how did Man City do away to Villa and away to the newly prompted sides? Why not lose the negative bias?

  68. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Oct 07, 2013, 12:05 #40277

    To all of those knocking Kevin for his honest assessments of our matches, please remember that the league isn't won in August and September. The long, hard winter months are where the league is won and lost so there is a very long way to go yet. The team are looking much, much better recently but the "defending" for West Brom's goal was awful. We need to eradicate the bad habits of old if we are going to win anything.

  69. BADARSE

    Oct 07, 2013, 11:58 #40276

    Sorry Kev, I omitted my gratitude for the article. Understand the criticism saying article was morose, and the 'game for game' points analysis is fatuous. The first is probably the anticipation of us slipping up, and you trying to balance a little. The second is you just following a thread of a topic. Nice to still be top, all the same, thanks.

  70. Roy

    Oct 07, 2013, 11:48 #40275

    Yes Kev, stop comparing the like- for- like results from last season, not relevant as form, timing and quite a few other circumstances can greatly differ to affect the outcomes year on year. Norwich and Palace next and 6 points is a realistic must before we enter the real tough stuff in the run up to Xmas. I don't think we could have asked for much more than we've seen from the lads so far, and I'm quietly optimistic that with the squad returning to full strength we'll reach the turn of the year still in the Champs Lge and in touch at top. I think it may be a step too far to actually win either of them, especially without any additions in January, but hey, I'm prepared to dream ! What I have seen is a kind of spirit and resilience that's been missing in recent times, so let's get behind 'em !

  71. chris dee

    Oct 07, 2013, 11:47 #40274

    Jeez! What a grumpy morose article. Sorry the team upset you so much by being top of the table at the moment Kevin. And you're obviously depressed that we are beating teams that we should be beating,although your are at pains to mention we have been 'lucky' in some games. Still cheer up me old mucker, it's International week so no more Arsenal games for a while.

  72. The Fonz

    Oct 07, 2013, 11:46 #40273

    Very sad to see the author cant seperate himself from the clear anti arsenal arguments that have raged over the last few months and years. People wonder why the gooner has become so devisive and this type of post match analysis is an example. Its not bad, but the constant comparing to the same results last season for no real reason other than to try and denegrate the start to this season. It was the end to a great run, but on balance of play its a point gained, this is the team that beat Utd at home btw, WBA finished 8th last seaon and a point away to them is no bad thing. Why dont you focus on the fatc that this current team is missing 7 potential first team players? And actually to be where we are with such a stretched team is a very good thing. I still respect the contributions from the editor, but I wish you could be less partisan of late, its a shame...

  73. BADARSE

    Oct 07, 2013, 11:31 #40272

    @where's Wally is a Gooner, I concur with your observation, but I may not have made that decision before the game. By the way, your handle is, 'Where's Charlie?' in France. @westlower,a strong, and should be obvious point to most, regarding the missing men. It's a complete unit if you string them out in front of Flamini, but that missing width haunts us when a few key men are missing. @underachiever, I am right with you on the Jenkinson position. He may never contest a 'best AFC right back ever' competition, but has a lot going for him and will grow into a very good Prem defender. Ozil winning the ball which led to Jack's goal was a sublime moment for me, it told me a lot about the man for when the weather begins to bite.

  74. James

    Oct 07, 2013, 11:22 #40271

    Arsenal can only beat who's in front of them. Look how the other top sides have got on against the smaller teams.Victims losing at home to Southampton, Manure losing at home to WBA. Spuds getting outclassed by long ball West Ham, Chavs losing at Everton and a pub team at home in champs league, Citeh getting done by Cardiff and Villa. All games are tough and need to be won no matter who we are playing. This mentality about only counting if we are playing another big side is nonsense and is a favourite with Arsenal knockers. We have been the best side in all competitions this season and that's what counts.

  75. Spaced

    Oct 07, 2013, 11:11 #40270

    Other than that, good article.

  76. CanadaGooner

    Oct 07, 2013, 11:10 #40269

    Looks like the Tottenham buckle has began, and we can expect the one-man team (Liverpool) to peak shortly as well. It will be between us, chelsea and the manchester teams this season, if we can just hang in there and avoid dropping points at the lower-table teams. I suppose yesterday, our Team A assumed if the Arsenal babies could have got a win via penalties at the Hawthorns, they should be able to win relatively easily.

  77. Spaced

    Oct 07, 2013, 10:59 #40268

    Kev, please stop this pointless comparing this season's matches with last season. There are far too many variables - had WBA just thrashed Man U the week before when we played them last season? - had spurs got a whole new team last season?... Forget it. You can only play (beat) who is put in front of you. A morale boosting run of results is the important thing here.

  78. Mike

    Oct 07, 2013, 10:53 #40267

    John Gooner -RVP missed a sitter or two on Saturday

  79. John Gooner

    Oct 07, 2013, 10:37 #40266

    RVP would have buried the volley Giroud missed and the chance he fluffed when played through by Wilshere, but we sold him to United for half what we paid for Ozil so what the hey! WHY OH WHY DON'T WE CLOSE DOWN CROSSES??? Against a better team we would get destroyed down the wing, so much time for players to pick out a cross, it's embarrassing.

  80. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Oct 07, 2013, 10:25 #40265

    It's ironic that with both Arteta and Flamini we were overrun at times in midfield.Surely we must choose one of them to play alongside Ramsey or Wilshire in the middle. On form it must be Flamini and Ramsey in the middle with Jack wider.It was a decent point though in a match we could easily have lost.

  81. RJ

    Oct 07, 2013, 10:21 #40264

    Has anyone done the maths on how the Spuds, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd have done compared to the equivalent games last season? Can't be bothered to do it myself, and I think it is pointless to speculate - all teams have changed. This season, we are top after 7 games with 2 winnable games to come to help keep us there. Overall, I think the ref was a little too lenient on the challenges on Jack - penalty was a 50:50 - clearly the defender was out of control, but he did get the ball - could have broken Jack's leg, but he got the ball.

  82. Endless, Nameless

    Oct 07, 2013, 10:19 #40263

    Definitely a point gained. We should enjoy being up the top while we can, becuase unfortunately I fully expect the paucity of the squad to catch up with us eventually. The real test of whether this is a false-dawn will be when we eventually lose a game we shouldn't. Will we react like Man United would, or will be slip into the more familiar "crisis" form of recent seasons? The point about teams copying West Brom's tactics is a valid one, but it's nothing new and I doubt that they would have been the first to adopt such tactics this season.

  83. smithy

    Oct 07, 2013, 10:18 #40262

    I think it should be seen as one point gained rather than two lost. God knows we seen Man United put in this type of performance year in and year out. Yes we weren't great yesterday but it is impossible to be flawless throughout a season. Lets hope we don't have any injuries during the international fixtures and we have a few coming back from injury in the next few games.

  84. Mike W

    Oct 07, 2013, 10:13 #40261

    I'm confident that with the addition of a quality forward to compete with and at the same time take the total reliance on Giroud we are capable of competing with any other team in the premiership. The performance against Napoli was the best 45 mins of football I have seen since arriving at the new stadium. So many of the team have raised their game and the team spirit seems at a high point. We just need the supporters to get behind the side in the same way those great away fans did at WBA and this can be a successful season.

  85. Rocky RIP

    Oct 07, 2013, 9:39 #40260

    @James - there are plenty who appear on here who are either a) so negative about the team they claim to support and down on Arsenal in general that you have to ask - remind me, why exactly do you support Arsenal? If Arsenal bring you so much misery, why bother?; or b)imposters, working behind enemy lines. There was a thread about Tottenham a while ago and their fans appeared on here in numbers making comments. So they obviously have a voyeuristic glance from beneath the shadows. (Which they are perfectly entitled to do.) However, there are some on here pretending to be Arsenal. With the most 'Arsenal' names they can dream up. 'AndyEIE' or something. Just here to spew vile negativity and besmirch our great club. A message to these people: You know who you are. I'm slowly working out who you are too. Do yourselves a favour and slither back off to Middlesex. Let's keep this site free from the vermin.

  86. tp

    Oct 07, 2013, 9:29 #40259

    I just think it was a game too far for our thin squad at the moment. We've got away with playing the likes of Ramsey, Wilshere, Rosicky in the wide areas but yesterday we really lacked any threat from the wings or in behind. Hopefully in two weeks Cazorla and Walcott will return and provide that extra threat we've been missing. 1 1 still a decent result, still top of the league so we've made a great start to the season. The ref btw was a homer, lost count of the amount of free kicks we should have had yesterday. Sky showed 5 or 6 clips of Jack losing the ball, half of them was because he was fouled and didnt get them! Not to mention Mulumbo ploughing through the back of him in the box or Szszney getting the most blatant of shoves in the back about a minute before the West Brom goal.

  87. James

    Oct 07, 2013, 9:25 #40258

    Comparing results from the previous season is a foolish thing to do, I think 16 points is a good return including 10 from 12 away. I agree with Ozil that there's many on here who act more against Arsenal than for them, there's a poster on the Gooner Forum called GoonerSid who I have only read negatives from against Arsenal you wonder where his true allegiance lies.

  88. underacheiver

    Oct 07, 2013, 9:24 #40257

    A word for Jenkinson. When he gets a run of games he is a very decent player, as we have seen in the past. I wouldn't judge him on just the one game.

  89. Mike

    Oct 07, 2013, 9:02 #40256

    Kevin - not the best game but cheer up - we still top -Spurs got mauled - no comment that we might have also won the game but for a great save from the keeper and the fact that a penalty might have just as easily been given when Whilshire was crunched from behind - Jaded yes, but in recent years the score may have well stayed at 1-0

  90. Bard

    Oct 07, 2013, 8:54 #40255

    One of those games when you need a moment of magic from one of your front men and Girpud isn't one of those game changers, which is why we spent the whole summer trying buy a striker. Jenkinson seems to have gone backwards. Ineresting piece in the papers saying that our injury rate ratio ,our players miss 1 in 4 games, the prem average is 1in 6. food for thought

  91. Ozil

    Oct 07, 2013, 8:54 #40254

    It's strange strange to read this anti-Arsenal gooner website. Others matches analysis and commentary from the media [supposedly neutral] mentioned the fact the ref. didn't give a penalty for the foul on wilshare and noone else talked about Koz mistakef so it's really disappointing to see the so called Arsenal fans seeing what nobody else, except Hansen biased eyes, saw. There was no foul committed by kozzer, if was anything in that challenge it was for Kozzer not against him. the wba player just purely ignored the trajectory of the ball and jumped over Kozzer.

  92. Westlower

    Oct 07, 2013, 8:38 #40253

    Kevin, You wondered whether it was a sheer jadedness that played a part and I feel it did. It was a typical post Euro game. Every team involved midweek in Europe put in a below par performance. In the circumstances it was a good point against a rested, buoyant, in form WBA. Walcott's absence highlighted his value providing width against a team flooding the midfield to stifle our passing game. Unfortunately the four players who have performed in the wide roles, Theo, Pod, Ox & Cazorla where all missing. That's sod's law! It was heartening to see Ozil winning the ball and starting the move that led to Jack's goal. Fingers crossed the troops return in tact from the International break.

  93. Ali

    Oct 07, 2013, 8:05 #40251

    We drew but the team looks much better than previous years, let's hope this continues until the end of the season.

  94. HowardL

    Oct 07, 2013, 8:02 #40250

    WBA had a well thought-out game plan and we were probably fortunate to get a point. However, who cares? Psychologically it's great to be top for another 2 weeks. Let's hope it becomes a habit (instead of coming 4th).

  95. 1975

    Oct 07, 2013, 7:47 #40249

    I don't think that anyone on the first day of the season would have expectedus to be top after 7 games. We are but the challenge now becomes one of resources. Hopefully the international break won't deprive us of more players.

  96. Tom

    Oct 07, 2013, 7:28 #40248

    We did not play well and got away with a point gained thank God Anelka didnt have his shooting boots on and the ref ignored Koscielny's foul.Ozil and Ramsey were well off the pace.And West Brom showed how to stop Arsenal just like the big teams stopped us last season.Close us down in midfield and we have no plan B.What we did learn is Sagna has to be given a new contract as Jenkinson just isnt up to it.It was a game of two halves for Wilshere who now has a habit of going to ground too easily from the slightest touch.Would he has stayed on after an awful first half if Ramsey hadnt had got injured? You are right Kev all the teams we have played so far we beat last season