What is Jack’s Best Position?

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What is Jack’s Best Position?

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Since Jack Wilshere first burst onto the scene with Arsenal in 2008 he has been portrayed as England’s saviour, however, this season things don’t seem to be going as smoothly. There have been various reasons for Wilshere beginning to draw criticism rather than the praise he has become accustomed to, especially as he is yet to find a settle place in the team.

When he broke into the first team, after returning from a loan spell with Bolton, Wilshere operated mainly in a deep midfield role, playing a playmaker role, while also adding his own energy to the role. This was an extremely successful season personally for the youngster as he picked up the Arsenal Player of the Year award, PFA Young Player of the Year award and also got a place in the PFA Team of the Year. Injuries have disrupted his career since as he missed the whole 2011/12 season and even last season missed spells through injury.

Now, trying to reassert himself in the team Jack is in a new environment, the midfield has changed drastically from the one he knew just two years ago. The likes of Alex Song, Cesc Fabregas and Samir Nasri have all departed and the chemistry of the midfield has changed with Mikel Arteta, Mathieu Flamini, Santi Cazorla, Mesut Ozil and even to an extent Aaron Ramsey (who was injured during the 2010/11 season) coming into the team. This has meant in recent weeks Wenger has placed Wilshere on the left wing, where he has been able to do a job for the team but has struggled to make an impact on matches as we are use to, leading to criticism.

Even last season he struggled at times especially when played in an attacking midfield role, which is where he has been tipped to end up playing, finding he did not have as much time and space on the ball as he does when playing from a deeper role. By his own admission he wants to add goals to his game, and this is why the logical conclusion would be made to play him further up the pitch, but first and foremost he is a fantastic passer and controlling the tempo of matches especially from a deeper position seems to be his forte.

Last weekend at the Hawthorns during the first half he struggled out wide, but once Aaron Ramsey was replaced by Tomas Rosicky it allowed Wilshere to move inside, and from that position, his and Arsenal’s fortunes changed. He was able to get a goal, albeit from a deflection, play a sublime pass into Olivier Giroud who perhaps should have found the back of the net and also had a good penalty appeal turned down after a heavy challenge in the area by Youssouf Mulumbu.

Now on international duty with England we are likely to really see what he can do. Roy Hodgson has made Jack one of the most important players in his team and next to Gerrard at the base of the midfield England look very strong. As Gerrard holds the midfield together, playing an almost quarterback-like role, Wilshere gives the midfield energy and moves higher up the pitch to assist attacks with acute through balls, rather than the long range of passing we are used to seeing from Gerrard.

This is a similar set up as to what Wilshere was accustomed to when he broke into the Arsenal first team, sitting deep next to Alex Song whilst moving up the pitch to get involved in neat passing moves with Cesc Fabregas. Before Wilshere broke into the Arsenal side, Fabregas had been the deep-lying playmaker but Wilshere’s arrival on the scene allowed him to move further up the pitch and add goals to his game, and is a position we have now become used to seeing Fabregas play for both Barcelona and Spain.

The problem at Arsenal though is the way in which Aaron Ramsey has developed. Ramsey has taken on the role in the centre of midfield next to Flamini or as it was last season Mikel Arteta that Wilshere is most suited to. Both have terrific energy, commit themselves into tackles and have a fine array of passing but in Ramsey’s case he is simply unstoppable at the moment and has added the one thing Jack is yet to on a consistent basis; goals.

It will be a long strenuous season, and with the quality the Arsenal midfield possesses currently Wenger will find the balance, with neither Wilshere or Ramsey playing centrally for the past two matches as Arteta and Flamini have formed the base of the midfield, but for Wilshere this will be a time that shapes him. He will have to remain patient and wait for his chance in the centre again, but whilst playing out wide, will have to play for the team and realise that he does not have win matches by himself, though he certainly has the ability to.


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  1. Liam K

    Oct 16, 2013, 16:57 #40616

    Issue is.... ultimately at some point in the future.. Ramsey and Wilshere will need to play in the same midfield.. maybe not this season... but certainly next season....We need to keep an eye on how to push those 2 on... I feel like Ramsey might be better in the final third than Wilshere... Also Wenger has said he see's Chambo as a central midfielder... We need to be careful not to become overloaded with central midfielders.. Personally I like Chambo wide and like the thought of having a 'creative 3' that can interchange. Ozil has the no 10 position for the next 6 years hopefully!

  2. kayvins

    Oct 16, 2013, 8:58 #40614

    I would love to see podolski competing with giroud upfront instead of his in-adaptive far-left position. That way,giroud will see a great need to be sharper at goal and there will be additional flexibility of choice amongst the 'now' a bit crowded midfield players. To my opinion,cazorla would key in the far-left wing(maybe because of his drive) and would not have to distort the midfield for now not until chamberlain is fully fit Thank You.

  3. BADARSE

    Oct 15, 2013, 16:58 #40604

    Liam K, and TT, thanks for your posts, dudes. I really enjoyed them, and I have to say I agree. Basically, I think together you have nailed it. How good to have so many permutations with some top class players...and Diaby still to figure!

  4. TT

    Oct 15, 2013, 16:26 #40601

    Liam K, totally agree and totally agree Wilshere would do better as a deeper midfielder rather than a no10. His best moments in an Arsenal shirt have always been clips of him bursting from deep and taking the team up the pitch, with the ball or passing it. He so often is and can be the link between the middle and the final third. The likes of Ozil, Cazorla and Walcott get all the assists but Wilshere often has a key role in the move, be it breaking a tackle, early ball into a dangerous area. Technical and tempo leader indeed. Also I wouldnt play Ramsey and Wilshere together in the two either, would have them alongside Flamini or Arteta in a tighter three should it be required in certain games. Nice to have options!

  5. Liam K

    Oct 15, 2013, 13:11 #40594

    Agree that was a great pass to Giroud. I didnt illustrate my point clearly enough. He is a great passer. He carries the ball really well, and can set our tempo. That pass was from quite deep, and he is really good at pass and move. For me he is brilliant around the centre circle. Taking the pressure off other players and hopefully allowing our more creative players to find space. I just dont feel like he perhaps has the pass needed to be a no 10 ala Santi and Ozil. Like Cesc before them. He is a great passer though. FOr me he could be our Alonso. And long term replacement for Areteta. Does that make more sense? No way am i critical of him. I think he is brilliant, he just needs to get his fitness and head in line and stop giving the ball away! Only way I can see him and Ramsey being able to play together in the middle is if Jack takes on the more defensive role, I realise it needs to be shared, but let Ramsey run around and be the energy and let Jack pull the strings a bit.

  6. TT

    Oct 14, 2013, 15:59 #40571

    Liam K, Jack cant play the killer pass? His ball through to Giroud was about as murderous as it can get, absolutely sublime pass that completely took West Brom out the game. Shame Giroud couldnt finish. He's got everything in his locker to be a top central midfielder, now its just consistency and staying injury free. Agree it could be between him and Ramsey though, think there are games when we could play both but right now Ramsey and Flamini give us the best balance.

  7. Liam K

    Oct 14, 2013, 14:20 #40567

    I think it is an interesting question to ask... I have been saying for a few months now I don't think Wilshere can play with Ramsey. The only way the midfield could work is if Jack decides he is going to become more of a holding midfielder. Thus allowing Ramsey to be the energy/box to box. Jack for me doesn't haven't the killer pass in the final third.. Like Cesc/Santi/Ozil have. He is brilliant when he has a burst of pace and running at defenders. Its a very long season but I can't see how he and Ramsey currently can play together. Neither of them are no 10s. To me they are both box to box players. Jack is a fiery guy and I think he could acutally make a brilliant holding player- a bit like Arteta has done.. He could become our 'technical leader'. Winning the ball and starting attacks straight away. Hes not a no 10. Hopefully he can get his fitness and head straight and then go on to become a true Arsenal great.

  8. Spaced

    Oct 14, 2013, 13:10 #40560

    I think Jack's best position is as no. 10 but he is still a long way off his best. Ozil has got him completely relegated and I it's going to be a slog to get himself established in this team once all players return from injury. I agree with consensus for the first team line-ups mentioned, except I'd have Flamini and Arteta as the central pair. The best thing Jack can do when he goes off on international duty is to get himself a pair of those big headphones and try not to talk to those ignoramuses he's surrounded with.

  9. Ron

    Oct 14, 2013, 10:51 #40554

    Marky - OK, heres the deal. If i promise to take a 'chill pill', will you promise to try and talk sense and not ill conceived delusional gibberish? Perhaps your Dad can help you next time you post something?

  10. QuartzGooner

    Oct 14, 2013, 3:25 #40548

    I think Wilshere's best position is deep central midfield, alongside either Flamini or Ramsey. From there he can show his range of passing, and use his physical strength to tackle. Wilshere is average as a number 10, and not well suited to the wide midfield positions. Players can often take a while to recapture form and full match fitness after injury, so fans should support Wilshere. We have an abundance of midfield riches, which is good because to get through the season we need a squad not just a team.

  11. Dave

    Oct 13, 2013, 12:18 #40528

    Our best midfield is Ozil Flamini Rambo and Cazorla so Jack doesnt get in the starting line up when Cazorla is fitv.Anyone who cant see it is blind.Jacks form this season has been average.He needs to learn from Rambo who has overtaken himAnd please will he stop falling over at the slightest touch

  12. David

    Oct 12, 2013, 12:19 #40499

    At the moment, his best position is on the bench. He needs to recover confidence after injury and figure out how to score goals.

  13. Bard

    Oct 12, 2013, 12:18 #40498

    Interesting post. Its clear that Jack's struggling at the moment since coming back from his injuries and as you say the midfield has changed. What will happen when Santi comes back? At the moment Ozil, Santi and Rambo are ahead of Jack on form. The worry for me is he's playing like an accident waiting to happen, throwing himself all over the place. Right now he's a gooner through and through but he's also a footballer and they go anywhere if the money's right. I cant see him staying on the bench for more than this season. I'm sure other clubs will come sniffing next summer.

  14. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 12, 2013, 11:26 #40495

    marky, your taking to many pills yourself if you think Jack is the best player in the league up there with Ozil he has the potential to be, but that's always been the problem with this team to much potential. It sounds like you are already a dud.

  15. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Oct 12, 2013, 8:55 #40488

    His best position is having a crafy fag behind the school bikesheds. More seriously, I would use him as an impact player for at least a season. He needs to rest and he needs to mature. He's brilliant and I absolutely love him but he needs to be brought on carefully. Thank goodness that,as a result of the acquisition of Flamini and Ozil, he isn't going to be flogged to death .

  16. marky

    Oct 11, 2013, 23:41 #40484

    Arsenal are the best by a mile man. Everybody else just hoofs it. Take a chill pill Ron or your going to fall apart. Jacks the best player in the league up there with Ozil. We are so blessed at Arsenal to have the best six midfielders in the Premiership. Who can argue? Either join the queue or follow Man U. Don't be a dud and follow the spud.

  17. BADARSE

    Oct 11, 2013, 18:00 #40481

    @ maguiresbridge gooner,I have seen so many Internationals that I couldn't begin to count them. Yet a number of years ago-17years ago was the last England game at Wembley, England 4 Holland 1, Euro Finals-I stopped! I had had rumblings of discontent for a while and finally pulled the plug. I couldn't abide the xenophobia from twits supporting, found little respect in the manager, the players and the FA. I also came to the conclusion that internationals had served their purpose and were obsolete. Of course I recognised the marketing men's presence in extending numbers and games to pad out and prolong qualifying, and even the finals themselves. I just walked away. Now it is a bliss not knowing, and more importantly not caring about who 'Enger-land' are playing. They still affect my life though. Plastic flags on cars, my players coming back injured, etc. Now they want to disrupt the league season for the Qatar games! Qatar?!!? It is astonishing that these clowns could have dug a hole so deep for themselves, that in itself is OK, but they want to pull us into it with them. Roll on 'One world order', ha ha.

  18. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 11, 2013, 17:37 #40479

    BADARSE, heaven forbid he's asked a question on the middle east crisis, it doesn't bear thinking about, the start another war and not know why is a good one, definitely laugh of the day that one, you can just imagine the innocent expression as he asks what have i said wrong and i suppose that could go for the vast majority of prem players. I blame hodgson and the FA as i have already mentioned, after the publicity around the smoking incident you'd think they'd have more sense than to send him out for an England press conference in front of all the so called elite hacks. But as we know the FA and English manager are not known for their tact or brains.

  19. MARCUS

    Oct 11, 2013, 17:15 #40477

    A little bit less of your nonsense is required Ron. Jack's the main man buddy, I think you've hit the scotch too early. As for you Canada, Stop it at once man.

  20. Ron

    Oct 11, 2013, 16:52 #40474

    There s a real risk that young Jack is going down the 'english sportsmans route' ie believing the disingenuos media hype, liking the front pages as much as the back. How long before hes quoted as saying to somebody 'do you know who i am'. This is a big risk to him as a young player. Coaching wise, JW is of real risk of Wenger burning him out physically, just as he did to a young Cesc. Hes already been handed a role too much for the age of the body hes got in so far as the central middle role is concerned. He needed a wider role to start with, away from the engine room as Steven Gerrard had for quite some time before he went central, how Bryan Robson did at West Brom and as Lampard had at West Ham. The biggest flaw in his coaching is the gratuitous tackles he makes. He ll tackle where theres no need, hence his injury risk is increased markedly. He also tackles by 'throwing his body' at the tackle rather recklessly rather than timing the tackle properly, to make up for his lack of stature. JW wont ever be Graeme Souness and somebody at Arsenal needs to tell him. Jacks intentions in the middle of the field are laudable, but hes a risk to himself how he plays right now. Its a good thing that Flamini is there. Whether Wilshere ever makes it as a top centre middle man cant be known yet.He runs up so many one way streets while trying to force open defences, but loses the ball or his feet, or both,far too often. His zeal to impress is overshadowing his product.His mental imagery as the medias 'Skipper of mighty England in waiting'is weighing on that boy heavily in my view. Ideally, there would be an Alonso type in there and Wilshere wdt yet be a regular starter.

  21. BADARSE

    Oct 11, 2013, 16:24 #40473

    maguiresbridge it's so easy to court the media. Beckham was an ace at doing this. A pretty/handsome face, public eye, high profile and they are easily marketed in today's circles. Can you imagine Jack being asked his opinion on the Palestinian crisis? He could start another middle east war and not know why. Many people want noise nowadays. Music or TV on permanently, DJ's suffering from verbal diarrhoea, just prattling. It's almost as if some can't recognise the beauty of silence, (should be used to it at the Grove), every second has to be filled with chit chat. In this ,it just panders to the newshawks; a crumby, poorly thought out response from the celebrity of the month sells rags. I think that shield from Arsene Wenger is already being erected around him, as I feel those hounds sniff column space from our Jack, who clearly is a malleable young man.

  22. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 11, 2013, 15:57 #40471

    BADARSE, I couldn't agree more, Wenger will keep him on the straight and narrow alright as he seems to have already done over the smoking business, and imo was quite right to speak out and say he'd be having words with jack about it. And it's safe to say he'll be having a few words in jacks ear when he gets back as well.

  23. Westlower

    Oct 11, 2013, 15:38 #40470

    JER, Good shout on team selection. What a fantastic position to be in as injuries, suspensions, rotation & loss of form will give everybody a fair crack of the whip to state their claim. Whoever keeps Jack out of the team in the short term will have to play out of their skin to hold on to their starting place. Exciting times ahead methinks!

  24. BADARSE

    Oct 11, 2013, 15:32 #40469

    Hi maguiresbridge gooner. Probably not music to your ears but Arsene Wenger is the key to Jack's focus. He has high regard for the man, and of course it's borne from a mutual respect. You are correct of course that the lad, despite his huge potential, hasn't arrived yet. When I think of him in cloistered company with the likes of Cole, Terry, Lampard, Rooney et al, it sends a shiver down my spine. It is easy to blurt out anything, if a microphone is pushed under your nose. Then you just begin to believe your own publicity. If the chap takes a look at his bank balance and sees a million pounds staring straight back at him, he may just have those views enhanced. It's frightening when considering the pitfalls ahead.

  25. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 11, 2013, 15:16 #40468

    I doubt any of us see jack as a right winger even jack, he's far to slow for that,but as you say if the press had their way he'd play there. And it's no thanks to that idiot Hodgson and the halfwits at the FA that he was put in that position in the first place. One things for sure jack still has a lot to prove, he hasn't arrived yet even though he might think he has. He can start by concentrating on his game (nothing else) getting himself fit, even though some would say he could do with a rest, get his form back and get his proper position back and then maybe we can start seeing the best of jack that we all know is there. The alternative doesn't bear thinking about does he want to go the same way as others who thought they'd arrived when they hadn't like rat boy, Pennant, and then there's Merson? thankfully Wenger seems to have taken things in hand and put a stop to the smoking and made jack see the error of his ways and hopefully that's as far as it goes. So hopefully jack will knuckle down and do what needs to be done especially for his club. Yes he's been lauded as Englands saviour but they're going to need more than him, Jack can use the next two England, games to get himself fit and have a good rest in between and then come back to his club as fresh as he can, that's all that matters.

  26. JER

    Oct 11, 2013, 12:18 #40462

    Based on recent form and with everybody fit, the front six has to be in 2-3-1 formation :- Flamini Ramsey; Walcott Ozil Cazorla; Giroud.

  27. BADARSE

    Oct 11, 2013, 11:24 #40461

    An interesting article Guy, thanks. With speculation of footballers developments it requires an awful lot of crystal ball gazing. The speculation which leads to debate is the grist to most football fans, I usually step back a little though have my own general opinions. It's like anticipating the taste of a good wine. You can never be sure of this season's harvest until having been laid down for the requisite time you uncork, and smell the bouquet and sip. So many facets of what life throws can play a part, the most basic is the footballer's health, fitness and then opportunities. I can see him becoming an all round good player, favouring the most obvious of that behind the main midfield brain, a la Mesut, currently. The social comments are always likely as we have an insatiable media. As he is English it is an attractive proposition to get his few words. Remember this, whatever his views on anything, he will be set up for a fall. That's what our media do.

  28. dilip

    Oct 11, 2013, 10:45 #40458

    Pls mr jack wilshere go away fr arsenal team bec..u dont have qaulity passing game u have only poor english passing n tackle game pls leave the AFC and join some team like stok city , aston villa , norwich city u have been suited. You dont be deserve in england starting 11 mr roy is doing right decission

  29. lance peters

    Oct 11, 2013, 9:12 #40453

    to get the best out of jack , arteta needs to be dropped and jack play in that position. like he did with song. but the problem is our defence needs more help from midfield. sagna is getting old. kosielny is not cool under pressure. mertsecker does not have pace. gibbs is not physically strong enough. so with jack in our side we would be awesome offensively but pretty fragile defensively.

  30. CanadaGooner

    Oct 11, 2013, 9:09 #40452

    Excellent gag-line in the article heading; very creative. I dont think England has any spectacular world-class player at the moment (and probably not for a while now); Cashley Cole in his hay days, michael owen and Terry are probably the few really colossal players we've had in recent years, as I am not entirely convinced by the international form of players like gerard or rooney. The jury's still out on Wishere as far as his Arsenal career goes (he's had injuries, baby in his teens and a fair amount of controversy that he just needs to get away from: smoking, outspoken crap about who should or should not play for England - like anyone really gives a deuce about playing for England these days, when their clubs pay so much and players would rather stay healthy of a saturday league match). if Wishere isnt careful, he will soon be overshadowed by Ramsey, Ozil and Carzola; and that will most likely be the end to what really was, a promising career. I dont think anyone out there questions the ancestry issue; but again, in a country where we have a Greek guy married to the Queen, which makes the royal family half Greek (and whatever other mix we all have from generations back; which includes roman, vikings, german, french etc.), it's a little bit of a nonsense, getting into that sort of debate, and Wilshere should have been clever enough not to get involved. I recall the German team from the last world cup; most of them could have played for Poland or Turkey. If we say: only play for the country of your birth, people will complain, but it's probably the only logical way to look at it.

  31. smithy

    Oct 11, 2013, 8:41 #40451

    There is plenty of time.It will probably be February before you see Jack playing his best as it generally takes a fair amount of time when he was out so long.Where his best position is- I think we will find out when he starts to gel with ramsey carzola and ozil.Maybe just behind the striker in the cesc position might evolve?