Glad All Over

Online Ed: Arsenal back to winning ways at Palace



Glad All Over


An interesting team selection at Palace with Mathieu Flamini returning to the side, pushing Aaron Ramsey into a wide attacking berth. Accusations of the manager playing his favoured players regardless of position could have been justified with Rosicky and Gnabry on the bench. In this type of match, against opposition of this quality, there was a good argument for Gnabry to start. It would have meant one of Ramsey, Flamini and Arteta being on the bench, but you can’t play everyone.

Palace began with an understandable approach of ensuring that they did not concede first above anything else. Arsenal’s formation issues improved when Flamini had to leave the fray early and was replaced by Gnabry. One assumes the groin strain came from nowhere as it is difficult to imagine the player being risked for this game with Liverpool on the horizon next weekend. Against Palace, a midfield of Arteta and Ramsey would have appeared more than adequate. Gnabry picked up where he had left off and impressed with the level of his involvement and confidence. He worked hard defensively too.

The Eagles denied the visitors much in terms of real chances, and had more than one decent attempt as the game reached the interval without score. Arsenal wearing white socks instead of the yellow and blue hooped affairs made them look a little like Brazil. That was before the game started, as during the first half there was not too much of the ‘jogo bonito’ about them, in spite of early dominance of the ball. The hope was that as the second half wore on the greater gaps would provide Arsenal with the opportunities to win the game. However, a penalty soon after the re-start gave the Gunners ascendancy as Gnabry was fouled and the spot kick dispatched convincingly by Arteta.

The home side had to go for it and caused concern in the Arsenal ranks. Chamakh, who had shown in the first half why he figured so little for Arsene Wenger in his latter time at the club, was brought down by Arteta and my immediate reaction was that it was a red card offence. Yes, the incident was a long way out, but there was nothing between Chamakh and the goal except Szczesny. The irony being that if you could probably allow any player a one-on-one with the keeper and get away with it, it was probably the Moroccan.

Down to ten men, Arsenal understandably played much deeper and opted for survival over style. I was surprised to see Gnabry brought off for Wilshere, as Cazorla would have been a more obvious sacrifice, given the young German’s workrate, but soon after Cazorla was hauled off anyway for Monreal. Arsenal’s central midfield was now Wilshere and Ramsey. Assuming Mike Arteta gets a one match ban, this would mean he can return for the Liverpool game next weekend.

Wojciech Szczesny pulled off a couple of excellent saves to keep his team in the lead and is proving himself a more reliable keeper than many feared after some questionable form at times last season. The last 20 minutes was like a reverse of the first 20, with Arsenal offering little and concentrating on denial of their opponents.

The pressure was released moments from the end, with a beautifully crafted goal between Ramsey and Giroud on the counter-attack. Palace did not give up, but it was a mountain to climb, even against ten men. Credit to their supporters for their marvelous backing. I suspect many feel they might not be in the top flight for long and are making the most of it. There’s no doubt they are vulnerable given the current lack of points, but there is still time to turn things around if they can get a manager in who can organize and motivate. Whether Tony Pulis is that man is something I don’t really want to think about.

Back to the Gunners, and it has been pointed out more than once that the only team in the top half of the table that Arsenal have played in their nine matches so far is Tottenham. Granted, this may leave questions about the genuine validity of a title challenge, but picking up points against the lower ranked teams has often proved a stumbling block to success for Wenger’s teams in recent years. It is refreshing to see them make a habit of it this time out. Certainly, they will now need to produce some respectable results against better teams than they have faced so far, but momentum is something that should build confidence. Everyone realizes that the end of December will provide the real story of Arsenal’s improvement, and it would be foolish to get carried away after less than a quarter of the campaign.

However, all that Arsenal can do is beat what’s in front of them and this they have managed so far, with a couple of exceptions. The feelgood factor amongst the fans is reflected in the demand for tickets (and on that note, if anyone has a spare pair for Liverpool, do get in touch!) and the actual number of bums on seats at home matches these days. People are interested again. It must be hoped that Mathieu Flamini’s injury is not serious, as any extended absence is likely to weaken the team’s defensive abilities. Next weekend will tell us plenty, whether the Frenchman can begin the game or not. Before then, a Capital One Cup match which I will not even be in the country for and am not optimistic I will be able to catch on a live stream due to a questionable internet connection where I will be. That being the case, I will try to get someone else to provide a piece on the tie against Chelsea.

Palace away was a workmanlike win. Nothing wrong with that, and the three points were key to ensure the Dortmund defeat did not play on the mind. Arsenal simply need to continue picking up the points for now, with the tougher challenges lying ahead, and this they did yesterday. Two points clear at the top of the table is all that can be asked of Arsenal at this point. Let’s hope we can say the same in seven days’ time.

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  1. Ronster

    Oct 29, 2013, 23:18 #41017

    Jamie...Wenger's teams have only ever had to negotiate a 38 game league campaign.

  2. Tony Evans

    Oct 29, 2013, 10:52 #40995

    Jamie - I wonder how your Wenger defensive stats would look if you discounted the defence he inherited from GG? Still if you think Arsenal are defensively sound then good luck to you - I just wish they really were. I do agree with you though when you say we have had some dodgy defenders in the past because I suffered watching them enough times!

  3. mike

    Oct 29, 2013, 9:01 #40990

    I thought that based on goals conceded, we had the second best defence in the league this year

  4. JAMIE

    Oct 29, 2013, 8:55 #40989

    You guys whinging about our defence under Wenger had better take your rose tinted history changing spectacles off. Arsene actually has the best defensive record of all our long term managers with an average of under 36 goals conceded a season GG was just over 36. Also Wenger goals scored is way higher. To think we've had a sound defence since 70/71 is laughable mid 70's mid 80's we conceded over 50 on at least one occasion. You people love praising up one particular player as if it all depends on him whether we win or not at the moment it's Flamini two weeks time it will be someone else. Stop acting like a bunch of retards and think before spouting dung.

  5. Ron

    Oct 28, 2013, 20:16 #40982

    Howard - Weren't they just mate!ha. If only all those of us who used to dread Senderos and Squillacci cd have seen Mr Ure, they would have thought Squillacci was Baresi in disguise wdt they matey!!

  6. HowardL

    Oct 28, 2013, 18:18 #40977

    Ron - Ure, Caton, Blockley and Laurie Brown - now that's a back four which brings back memories. I'd rather forget them. Individually inept, They all could have played at the same time and it would have made no difference. Regardless of all the comments above, I actually am really enjoying watching this team - especially the 120% Giroud, Ramsey, Flamini, Gibbs, Mertesacker, Kos and SzCzesny, plus our creative bunch - a team I feel you really can get behind, regardless of trophies. Compare them with Denilson, Squillaci, Bendtner (Part 1) and Almunia etc.

  7. Ron

    Oct 28, 2013, 16:52 #40973

    Tony - In fairness defensive frailty is endemic in football now esp in the PL. I reckon Caton and Blockley and co rivalled this bunch for sheer ineptitude. Before that Ure and Lawrie Brown in circa 1964 are the worst i can recall.

  8. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 28, 2013, 16:33 #40972

    Tony Evans 43835, spot on about being defensively sound,i suspect Wenger understands it perfectly but either hasn't the ability to do anything about it or isn't willing to, and will just to carry on doing it his way regardless.

  9. 600NER PETE

    Oct 28, 2013, 15:48 #40969

    It was when Flamini was allowed to leave and then never replaced that made me worry even more about Wenger's decision making and managerial ability. Now Flamini has returned, it confirms how much we needed/need him or a play er with the same attributes as him. Much as how Ozil has been a wonderful signing, it is Flamini that has made the most significant contribution. Without him we are not the same team. Some interesting matches coming up, which will test how much progress we have made.I agree with you Tony, having Flamini fit is essential.

  10. Tony Evans

    Oct 28, 2013, 15:24 #40967

    Ron - I should just add to my previous comment that I can't remember back before the emergence of the 70/71 double side, when it sounds as if our defending was about as lightweight as it is now.

  11. Tony Evans

    Oct 28, 2013, 15:13 #40963

    Ron - the fact that Arsenal are, and have been for much too long now, so lightweight and so open at the back does not sit well with us older supporters does it? Arsenal were always a physical side and more often than not defensively sound and I loved that aspect of our game. It is all very well having the attacking flair (which, don't get me wrong, is fantastic too) but without a sound defensive strategy any team is on a hiding to nothing. Wenger does not seem to understand that, meaning that the top (or even any) prizes are going to be very difficult to win - as the last 8 seasons have shown all too clearly.

  12. Ron

    Oct 28, 2013, 13:51 #40957

    Tony - Its a good point that youve made there mate, but its a situation that the Club has been in for years isnt it with one player or more. This time, the fact that Flamini was a freebie who just happened to drop by one day and was told to go and fetch his boots and has now become fundamental, makes the situation quite funny really.Thats where im at with Wenger these last few years, i do find him (slow headshakingly) funny! As for Hansen, he cdt give a hoot what he says now that hes leaving the BBC (not before time - i suspect hes going before hes pushed?). Always been a smug, pontificating prat anyway. Like you though, i reckon that defence of ours is going to be pulled to pieces by some team soon enough. Cd even be at Utd, even though theyre no great shakes this season. I can see panic occuring all over the pitch up there. The team is still a flaky, uncertain one from what ive seen of them.

  13. Green Hut

    Oct 28, 2013, 12:52 #40954

    Tony Evans- Especially so considering Flamini has played a grand total of 24 games over the past 2 seasons. And of course when he comes back he's only one more yellow away from a suspension.

  14. GaryGooner

    Oct 28, 2013, 12:40 #40952

    Exactly right GoonerRon. That is what i said to myself when i saw those clips on MOTD. We were chasing both of those games in the last minutes and had about 9 offensive players on the pitch at the time. Its nice to see though that Hansen is still bitter about 1989 after all these years. We won the league on Merseyside, we won the league on the Mersey, we won the league on Merseyside. Ha Ha! COYG!

  15. GoonerRon

    Oct 28, 2013, 11:36 #40949

    Another win and just what was required after our loss in midweek. I can't wait for this run coming up, a great chance to show what we're made of. FYI - BBC should be disgusted with the lack of balance of Hansen's analysis - no mention that the two goals conceded from our corners were in the last minute when we were chasing games.

  16. CanadaGooner

    Oct 28, 2013, 11:20 #40948

    Which trophy do people genuinely believe we will win this season?

  17. Tony Evans

    Oct 28, 2013, 8:44 #40940

    It is a scandal that so much rests on the fitness of just one player - Flamini. Let's hope the injury he picked up is not too serious. Hansen on M of the D may have gone over the top about our woeful defending but I fear it will be our undoing once again when tougher games than Palace come along. Why does Wenger leave the squad so weak at the back and also do nothing to stop leaving gaping great holes when we are attacking, for the opposition to exploit? Hope I am wrong but I can see the wheels coming off before too much longer.

  18. spud masher

    Oct 27, 2013, 19:17 #40938

    Cannot see too many sides troubling us this season with Chelsea looking like the main rivals for the title. The spuds were once again highly fortunate to win being awarded their third controversial game winning penalty of the season. Funny seeing AVB slagging the spuds fans off for their awful support of the team and saying the team deserve better supporters than they have. It seems even Tottenham Hoofspur fans cannot abide the football their playing this season.

  19. Westlower

    Oct 27, 2013, 18:51 #40936

    Peter Hughes, I remember that game well as I took one of my Burnley supporting mates along principally to show him what a great team we were building. In the event we were very lucky to win via a late Charlie George penalty, if my memory serves me right. As you say, there's no such thing as an easy game!

  20. Benny2

    Oct 27, 2013, 18:39 #40935

    Referees should consider the following circumstances when deciding whether to send off a player for denying a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity: • the distance between the offence and the goal • the likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball • the direction of the play • the location and number of defenders • the offence which denies an opponent an obvious goalscoring opportunity may be an offence that incurs a direct free kick or an indirect free kick. From FA.com.

  21. Ron

    Oct 27, 2013, 18:31 #40934

    I always think debate on games that are futile. Its the type of game you never fancy, the type of place you detest going to, the place gives you the feel that you're glad you not going to go to very often or hopefully never again and the game v Palace is one you just hope that hook or by crook you get the right result. You then go away and forget that you've ever been to the place and be grateful the 3 points are gathered.So it proved.

  22. Torbay gooner

    Oct 27, 2013, 18:28 #40933

    Yes Szczesny was probably man of the match in what looked a flat performance, concerned that like others Flamini possibly missing for the games against Chelsea and Manure.

  23. DW Thomas

    Oct 27, 2013, 18:25 #40932

    GOod result, but we should handle those type of teams easily. Sagna again is a lion. How have we not signed him up already? Do we reward our loyal, good players, ever? Oh yeah, Walcott. Anyway, this team still has much to prove. Arteta's alright, but is not a true DM like Flamini. Still take him over someone like Song who thought he was an attacking CM. Ozil was solid but quiet. How we need someone like Suarez to really scare the big boys. Again we're all still talking about that one player we still need toputus us over the line. We finally replaced Cesc, now we need to replace RVP. So close, yet still so far. Will Wenger ever learn?

  24. Peter Hughes

    Oct 27, 2013, 17:07 #40931

    Credit to Palace as they fought hard.Why do people assume we should always win these games easily.There is no such thing as that in the premiership. The most important thing was a win. Anyone remember the double in 71 when we beat teams 1-0 at home ie Burnley by a penalty who were later relegated. We did what was required & kept a clean sheet. Szczesny deserves credit after previous criticism. I repeat my recent comment,he is making at least one save a game that should be a goal as well as routine stops. His positioning is better as well as his catching & punching.

  25. Mike

    Oct 27, 2013, 17:04 #40930

    Good to see how Giroud is improving to be a world class stiker - he was rewarded with his goal after grafting up front by himself after Arteta got sent off

  26. Danny

    Oct 27, 2013, 15:43 #40929

    This game was very boring to watch. You can have all the possession in the world but you need a end product. This tiki taka style is crap and boring. We will not win anything with this coach first of all, the team cannot defend properly as the full backs are not solid and most importantly a world cup striker is needed. Giroud is ok, but a not world class. We need a Luis Suárez type strike that can score freely and Arsenal should break the bank for in January. Also i mikel arteta needs to be the secondary defensive midfielder as he is crap and does not give value to team. Its strange the team was playing well, until this clown came back in the team Also i want to say this Serge Gnabry is too young and should not be in the first team. Average at best.

  27. artetaisamole

    Oct 27, 2013, 15:28 #40928

    arteta has been planted by our rivals to ensure every one of our attacks slows down and every one of theirs has a chance of a goal. best thing that happened yesterday was his sending off: did we miss him? i'd say not.

  28. Treble Double

    Oct 27, 2013, 14:41 #40927

    10 men, 3 points & 2 clear at the top! That's all that matters! We will put in a much better performance next week, of that I am convinced. Never in a million years was that a red card. We didn't play well but won the game, isn't that what good teams do?

  29. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 27, 2013, 13:30 #40926

    Yes you can't play everyone but you can rest them could we really not have beaten relegation material without Flamini or Ramsey and others? there was a time when we'd be capable of beating the likes of palace with our reserves now Flamini is injured what the hell is it with this team and injuries? are our medical team really that incompetent? or is it the manager who won't listen to them? but i suppose they'll all get a break on Tuesday when there's a chance to go for and win real silverware. Nothing to write home about although there were the usual good performances from the usual suspects against Chamakh and co, so much for the four and five nils that were predicted, he hasn't improved much if at all what was seen in him is anyone's guess. Another three points all the same and that's all that matters. We're still top of the league and going to rule the world again, and hopefully that will be still the case in ten days time when we come up against the big boys.

  30. WeAreBuilding ATeamToDominate

    Oct 27, 2013, 12:14 #40924

    The one good thing about yesterday for me? Back in Nov 04 the defending champions went to Selhurst Park and were lucky to escape with a 1-1 draw after going in front. Yesterday we were if not lucky, perhaps a little fortunate to blag a 2-0. OK Palace, the football equivalent of the pikeys who live in the no-go area of your manor, are dreadful and shouldn't be in this division, but they are and you can only beat what's in front of you. In the last 5/6 seasons AFC would not have won this game. The next two weeks will show us what this team is made of.

  31. Ray

    Oct 27, 2013, 11:31 #40923

    Not Finsbury Joe again the man who loves talking up the spuds. Even if Arsenal were to completely collapse there's always that safety net that Tottenham Hoofspurs and the victims from Anfield will collapse in a far more spectacular way.

  32. Brady79

    Oct 27, 2013, 11:12 #40922

    Very sensible analysis of the upcoming matches by Westlower. If I could choose one of the four comps for us to win, would have to be the PL so we can see Hansen eat his words from last night's MotD (FYI apparently Arsenal definitely won't win the League this year: based on analysis of an old match featuring Denilson and Traore in defence!) Although it might mean tiredness from extra games, hope France win their WC qualifier: should boost confidence of Giroud and Sagna.

  33. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Oct 27, 2013, 11:12 #40921

    This current team has so many good players but we still need someone up top to share the workload with Giroud, through the long Winter and Spring months. If we finish fourth again and bomb out of the cups, the vultures will be circling around players like Giroud, Ramsey and Cazorla. Therefore I hope signing a striker of real quality is Wenger's priority in January. It would be insane not to when we have such a good chance of winning this seasons weaker than ever Premier League.

  34. Dave

    Oct 27, 2013, 11:10 #40920

    westlower-Wise words but i really think too many Gooners are going over the top after just 9 games when we have only played one team in the top half of the table.Judge the season after xmas and who we buy in jan.We didnt play well yesterday against a poor Palace team.A performance like that in the Liverpool Dortmund and Utd games will see us in trouble.It is vitally important that Flamini is fit for those games.They are the games we bought him for

  35. Westlower

    Oct 27, 2013, 10:40 #40919

    What results will determine if the bubble has burst? A loss to Chelsea in LC has it benefits in giving us a breathing space from 3 games a week. We are capable of getting a win at home to Liverpool and draws at Dortmund & OT. Should we lose all 4, which is unlikely, we'll still be in the CL, within 4 points of the leader of PL & out of the LC. We then play Southampton (H), Cardiff (A) & Hull (H), when we should get 7 or 9 points. Should beat Marseille at home and it all depends on the trip to Napoli to stay in the CL. Worst case is we go out of two cup competitions but remain very much in contention in PL with the FA Cup starting in Jan. In our present strong league position winning the PL must be the priority. If the Cup bubbles burst then so be it!

  36. Finsbury Joe

    Oct 27, 2013, 9:46 #40918

    Wise words from the prophet words we should all heed. Defending alone will ensure this team finish 5th or 6th

  37. Paul

    Oct 27, 2013, 9:12 #40917

    Why do you say assuming Aeteta get a one match ban?Everyone knows thats all he gets.I dont know how many words are in this article but not one mention of Ozil who had another quiet game after his no show v Dortmund.At the moment he seems to play well or poor no inbetween.A word of praise for Sagna who had his best game for ages and he put some wonderful crosses in.A big 3 weeks coming up

  38. David

    Oct 27, 2013, 8:37 #40916

    Too right. The big test will be the next 10 games. Defensive frailties are likely to be exposed by better teams. Chelsea and Citeh still look like the best equipped sides in the long run. Arsenal look like a more comfortable top 4 team than last year, but it's still far too early to say more than that.

  39. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Oct 27, 2013, 8:35 #40915

    I was late to the pub yesterday, and so groaned inwardly in learning that Flamini had come off after 8 minutes. This is not just because we would be weaker defensively as a result, but because I enjoy watching the game so much more when he is playing. Nervousness leaves the team and they can get on with the job of cracking the opposition. Be that as it may we were essentially floundering around during the first half. Going down to ten men seemed to galvanise everybody into intent and make them concentrate with BFG pointing and shouting. For once OGL didn't make insane substitutions, but good ones, bringing on the committed "Smoker" Wilshire and the Nacho, who I am always pleased to see on the pitch as he is both aggressive and technically competent. It was another challenge that we might have bottled last season, but didn't this time. Giroud was quite simply excellent as was the Welshman - again.

  40. cyril

    Oct 27, 2013, 8:31 #40914

    Is there a reason why you are called PO doom ? Vital to show Suarez what he is missing next week and not the other way around. Absolutely vital !

  41. prophetofdoom

    Oct 27, 2013, 8:14 #40913

    sorry to dampen your hopes but all I see is a return to last year's nearly-boys as long as OGL continues to build his team around the ponderous Arteta. When he's starting there is no fluency to the attacks, his first thought being sideways or back, a present day Denilson, right down to his inability to stay on his feet when put under physical pressure, often falling, poleaxed as if shot by a sniper from the stand. Wait till the real games start next week and watch us slide back to our rightful position below the real contenders. If it wasn't for the newly resurgent Ramsey bailing us out time and again so far, we'd already be there. The bubble's getting ready to burst....

  42. Innocent John

    Oct 27, 2013, 7:41 #40912

    Am sure arsenal Will come out victorious in all those so called tough matches ..