Arsenal Weather The Storm

Online Ed: Against the odds victory in Dortmund



Arsenal Weather The Storm


It was a huge ask, but to give themselves some breathing space, Arsenal needed something from this game. Incredibly, they got it. With an undefeated away run starting with the victory in Munich, this was the toughest test since that night at the Allianz, and for a long time it looked like a case of a wet Wednesday night in the Westfalenstadion. But the Gunners weathered a difficult opening hour to turn the tables and force their way to three points.

Incredibly, it can’t be ruled out that, even with a home win against Marseille, Arsenal might not qualify for the knockout stage with 12 points, but this performance will give them real confidence going to Napoli in December. Fans would have been happy with a draw at kick-off, although Arsene Wenger stated that his team would be on the front foot. Yet the reality was that the first 45 minutes only saw a couple of useful opportunities created by his team, but the final ball – in both cases to Mesut Ozil – was poor. Dortmund created more danger and really should have scored when Mkhitaryan had just Sczcesny to beat and fired wide.

There was no question by half time that the home side were looking the more likely winners, a view only confirmed by the early stages of the second half, when Arsenal were on the rack. I was of the view that there was a huge contrast between the performances of the full backs. Sagna was playing out of his skin, whilst Gibbs seemed a little vulnerable. There may have been a case for the more experienced Monreal starting this game, but the manager chose to stick with a winning team and was ultimately proved justified in that decision. The game was very tight, with no player being allowed too long on the ball before a challenge came in, unless they were deep in their own half. Passes had to be bang on the money or suffered interception, and the visitors struggled to find any real rhythm. It was defence on top for the most part as matches at this level can often be until something gives and the nature of the game alters. Critically, as long as they did not concede, the Gunners were in the match, regardless of their inability to fashion much in the way of goal threat. The game was carried as a spectacle purely by the tension of what was at stake, even if, at times, the teams cancelled each other out. For a long time, I had the linesman down at Arsenal’s man of the match, so valuable was the offside trap in thwarting the Dortmund advances. Both centre backs had very impressive matches, with Mertesacker now an absolutely key ingredient of the current success with his experience, leadership and reading of the game.

My thoughts in the 15 minutes after the break were that there was no way Mikel Arteta could finish the game. Either a red card would take care of him or he would be subbed before the referee had reason to wave it. The only real switch I could envisage for this was Vermaelen coming on to play defensive midfield, a role which has been mooted by supporters before. However, Wenger left his captain on the field and he rode his luck. A bit of me wondered why the niggly and sometimes necessary fouls Arteta was committing weren’t being shared around the team a bit more, but maybe he is just one of those players that gets drawn into trouble. When Flamini gets bookings, his fouls are genuinely cynical. With Arteta you sometimes wonder how much it is intent and how much just bad timing.

Having survived the early second half onslaught Arsenal went and put the cat amongst the pigeons with a goal out of nowhere. An Ozil cross, headed down by Giroud to the advancing Ramsey. This, in theory, the deep midfielder partnering Arteta. It was definitely a case of the best form of defence being attack and it worked. It was an Alex Ferguson ‘Football eh? Bloody hell’ moment as, completely undeserved, the visitors took the lead.

The game changed completely and suddenly, we had an open and far more entertaining football match. Arsenal refused to sit on their lead and threw men forward when the opportunity arose. Perhaps it was for the best. Are they capable of defending a lead against a team of Dortmund’s quality if they choose to park the bus? They went too gung ho at home, but kept just enough at the back this time around, although there were certainly scares. Granted, Jurgen Klopp’s team did not look as imperious as they did in the game in North London, but they have bad games as well. The home side still did enough, in terms of good chances, to take the spoils, but results come from converting opportunities. They did this in the first game three weeks back. Last night, it was Arsenal’s turn.

Memories of late Dortmund goals in the Gunners’ last two visits to this stadium flooded back as the clock ticked down, but on this occasion, there was no sting in the tale. It was a case of job done, get out of town with the points. Smash and grab they called it on the TV, and it was fair comment based on the game up until the hour mark. However, once things opened up, Wenger’s team looked as likely to score as the Germans.

Results are everything. Arsenal did not play badly overall in the home game against Klopp’s team, but were victims of their opponents taking advantage when presented with the opportunity. Last night, the boot was on the other foot. Dortmund were, perhaps, not as naïve as Arsenal in the first game, but they were punished for their own lack of clinical finishing this time around.

The self-belief it gives the players is difficult to quantify, but they are starting to develop an aura which might carry them through the stiff challenges ahead. Certainly, they can go to Old Trafford this weekend feeling far more confident than they have for a number of seasons. It’s a significant game for both sides.

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  1. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Nov 10, 2013, 23:49 #41554

    It's a question of proportion isn't it. Out of 3 very hard fixtures in a week we won the first one well, pulled off the impossible in the second and were narrowly beaten in the third. Not bad for a team that looked hopeless hapless and helpless v Aston Villa. We got beaten 1-0 not 8-2. Let's see the reaction against Southampton.

  2. Th14afc

    Nov 10, 2013, 21:29 #41553

    All the moaners sayin now arsenal hav played Chelsea and utd and have been found wanting against big teams....I think Dortmund are a better side than both of them and we beat them....as iv said before,see where we are at the end of December and then we can judge....plus I didn't think utd were that great either to b honest

  3. BADARSE

    Nov 10, 2013, 20:57 #41552

    Still licking my wounds, but someone has to be the first to draw out the positives. I thought our game was similar to the Borussia plan and we contained them well enough and were enticing them forward. The goal they scored is a type that can only be defended in one way, win that first header. van Persie's run, jump and header was perfectly timed. Once he had connected it was in the lap of the gods and it fell perfectly for them. Often those headers do. We were a little lost leading up to the break but expected more pressing and For us to play 5-10 yards further up the pitch. They made it easy for us by retreating into a shell. We had the possession but against a blockade, it was irritatingly frustrating. A couple of times we nearly breached their defence but it wasn't to be today. Ozil had a poor game, Ramsey and Giroud were also a bit off the pace but there were positives. The weekend's results went for us. It was only 1-0, and a very good goal. We kept our shape and discipline and there was always a chance that we may have saved the game. Vermaelen looked much better than I expected him to. Flamini is back, some good performances from Bacary and Kos. The best sight was of Jack looking hungry for the game, and surging forward. We await the next game from the lofty heights of top position.

  4. Nothing has really changed

    Nov 10, 2013, 20:28 #41551

    even this arsenal is way 2nd best to Man Utd yet again. Wenger no longer knows how to win against the top bozy like utd city chelsea. teams who have physical power as well skill

  5. Danny

    Nov 10, 2013, 19:33 #41550

    As i said earlier , the true test was today against United and they failed miserably. Giroud is a piss poor and cannot score against the best and where was our famed midfield. Ozil a 40+ mil lazy git. no wonder real got rid of him

  6. Man United Killer

    Nov 10, 2013, 17:11 #41549

    I have never seen a more overrated bunch of backward and sideways thinking attacking midfielders.

  7. Westlower

    Nov 10, 2013, 14:13 #41548

    Correction to post 44424: Should read £26m not £26k. What was paid v what he's worth!

  8. Westlower

    Nov 10, 2013, 14:00 #41547

    Daniel Levy, You've been had son, £26k for Soldado. You're entitled to ask for a refund! The problem with being in the Europa Cup is.....................

  9. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Nov 10, 2013, 10:38 #41546

    There are pictures of Flamini training on Arsenal's website but is it confirmed that he is fit? All I can get from the BBC is that Wenger thinks that his young players are the equivalent of Paul Scholes and his mates at United. Only one thing missing from the equation Arsene, an outstanding manager. I'm much more interested in whether there will be a controlling intelligence on the field today to meet any challenges that we face as the game develops.

  10. Westlower

    Nov 09, 2013, 10:17 #41540

    The lull before we weather the next storm!

  11. Amos

    Nov 09, 2013, 9:45 #41539

    It's highly unlikely that Wenger will still be manager in 2020 so it's rather misunderstanding a rather simple point illustrating the longevity of Arsenal's success as a club rather than the successes and failures of any one individual associated with it. Nobody desperate to see the back of Wenger need be overly concerned that in lauding our enduring achievements as a club compromising their present preference for all things negative.

  12. Stevieo

    Nov 09, 2013, 9:33 #41538

    Can someone please clarify which calendar we are using to measure Wenger's success? Personally, I like to use the financial calendar ending 5th April, when everyone celebrates the club banking season ticketholders cash as a fantastic achievement. Either way, it looks like we've gone from judging Wenger in May to judging Wenger in 2020, where if we can win one trophy this decade, that will be amazing?

  13. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 08, 2013, 21:34 #41537

    Bard, couldn't agree more with you mate, the only time i would read the site you mention and maybe one other is if it's quiet on here, and that's not very often and i have to say you described it well and i would go even further with the other one i'm referring to. They take the eleventh commandment (thou must not criticise OGL) even if it's warranted, to a new level. There must be some queue every Sunday morning to mow his lawn.

  14. Jason B

    Nov 08, 2013, 19:51 #41536

    Just read about the various ways of resolving a three way tie on Arsenal.com.My previous posting refered to a two way tie. The best case scenario would be if Arsenal and Napoli win.12 points each.Both qualify.Same with a draw between Dor and Nap and we win. Of course worst case would be we lose or draw and there's a winner in the other game.Leaving us needing a win in Nap. A three way tie would only happen if AFC lose to Mar,Dortmund beat Nap and the last matches are draws. Then you have seven different ways of splitting the teams ranging from goal difference to co-efficient points built up over the last five years!! Now have you got all of this??!!!

  15. BADARSE

    Nov 08, 2013, 18:48 #41534

    @billthered, I have been an admirer of Per from the beginning, check back on previous posts to confirm pal. To be a footballer, to make a worthwhile contribution, asks for a variety of qualities for different positions. He is not fast on the turn, Kos is like greased lightening by comparison. He doesn't make his height advantage a killing field bonus, and he can be turned. However he is the most tactically aware player in the squad, amongst the most experienced, is a leader, a fine pedigree, and what I want from an Arsenal player in terms of a true professional. His attributes more than compensate for any slight failings. I would always want a man like that at my club, we have been missing these characteristics, as in the Flaminal's, for too long. Good call.

  16. Jason B

    Nov 08, 2013, 18:48 #41533

    Qualification. If teams are level on points, then its head to head results.Then would come goal difference,goals scored,goals conceded,drawing of straws,ip dip sky blue. I think.................

  17. Bard

    Nov 08, 2013, 18:46 #41532

    Luke; Ive read Arseblog over the season. I have never read anything so bland and dismally uncritical. At least those who post on this site generate a bit of of discussion and argument. Critical opinions are worth reading as are the usual rants. Arseblog plays it safe, boring beyond belief.

  18. billthered

    Nov 08, 2013, 18:32 #41531

    I don't know if it's just me but the BFG looks more and more like he should be wearing the armband.He took his time settling in and we all know he's not the quickest but at the last count ninety five caps for Germany.Cant be that far behind Der Kaiser.

  19. BADARSE

    Nov 08, 2013, 18:30 #41530

    Gaz, that's an interesting view of Talksport. Personally I am over the hills and out of sight on any talk shows, TV or radio, that is apart from Question Time, and Any Questions/Any Answers on Radio 4. Even these have lost their pull now though. I am only interested in giving an alternative view to one I think slightly askew. I am old enough to know only a small percentage take note, and an even smaller percentage accept or acknowledge, then you get down to the microscopic percentage of those who adopt any new concept or idea. On this website we have those who want the manager in/out; go back to Highbury/stay; do think there is a prejudice against Arsenal/and don't. Want Usmanov to take over/don't; think our brand of football is good/bad. This player yes/no; and so on. I really wouldn't want to know Ted of Bournemouth's views on any of the aforementioned. So chum, you may be quite right about Talksport, but you may not. Pantomime season is upon us.

  20. Amos

    Nov 08, 2013, 18:27 #41529

    @Lord Froth. If you read what I said it is clear that I'm not trying to convince anyone that we won anything in any year beginning with a 6. As I've said a decade can be any period of 10 years. However it remains true that just as the year 2000 was the final year of the 20th century, which is what you were celebrating, and 2001 was still the first year of the 21st century, whether anyone celebrated it or not, then it is also true that Arsenal are the only club to have won a trophy in each of the last 9 successive historical decades. I'm perfectly happy for everyone not to get over excited about such a modest achievement (as I've said I wouldn't expect a street party if we make it 10 successive decades) but the fact that anyone should go to such lengths to deny something that is unarguably factually correct, other than on the basis that it is a mildly positive, is a mindset difficult to follow - but is quite amusing to witness.

  21. Gaz

    Nov 08, 2013, 16:58 #41526

    I think some of you are far to precious as far as Talksport and Arsenal are concerned. Yes they slag us off but in all honesty no more than any other Club. I think what happens is that we pick up on the Arsenal bashing and ignore it when they're bashing everybody else else. And I can tell you that as far as Durham is concerned whilst he might have a go at us some of the biggest bashings I've heard were reserved for chelsea and the spuds! Also dont forget the likes of Perry Groves and the Romfford Pele are regulars on there and we can't them of having it in for us. There are in all honesty some excellent presenters including Danny Kelly and Paul Hawsbee who might be spuds but most certainly have a lot of respect for us. Indeed if you bother to listen to Danny ellys 'one on ones' he's recently hosted some quite brilliant interviews with the likes of Frank Mclintock and Nigel Winterburn. So whilsts I'm not denying theres a fair ammount of Gooner bashing going on on there I think its rather sad that you miss out on a lot of decent stuff because of it.

  22. BADARSE

    Nov 08, 2013, 15:36 #41524

    Afternoon Canada. A moment to explain my position. I am as contented with the status quo at Arsenal as I have ever been. I do not advocate a change of manager. He remains in charge, I remain in stasis. All is calm. Others want him out and give very well evaluated reasons, I do not subscribe to them. End of dialogue. I can be smug, but find it a despicable trait, so am not. If I want to raise a banner to draw attention to our team's victory, then I do. It is the cement between the bricks. I would never willingly, or knowingly hurt a person's feelings, but I am not a soft touch. I choose to walk away when I believe staying is fruitless. There is no debate in my mind, unless I decide to make it one. People can rant and rave around me, prompting a response or not, as I see fit. Arsene Wenger is our manager. I hope he stays at Arsenal and outlives me, however his time is drawing close. I will welcome the new man as and when. I think the 'fight' has been carried to the establishment, of which I am a part. I see no conflict beyond arguing my corner and then getting on with my support and love of Arsenal. Those who would orchestrate a revolution are frustrated, firstly by the hopelessness of enacting change, and now by the wind of fortune blowing through the Grove. Earlier Green Hut offered me advice, it was mine which I'd offered before to another,'just be'. It is to do with the Tao of Pooh, and I use it as a mantra. Breath deeply, take a look around at your Arsenal, and just be. I am still trying to master the act but it's the way to go buddy.

  23. chris dee

    Nov 08, 2013, 15:24 #41523

    You would think people agreeing with Talk Sport would have realised by now that even if we had won the League or Champions League in the last few years they would still have found ways to ridicule and belittle our club and our manager. As I've said before with Adrian Durham,Darren Gough,Alan Brazil and the other tossers on the station it's strictly Arsenal bashing. Arsenal fans should'nt give the fu***rs the time of day.

  24. Ron

    Nov 08, 2013, 13:21 #41520

    Afternoon Westie - We dont see eue to eye my friend but i always respect your views and thats whats its all about isnt it. Im a masochist! Ive only missed a few games there since that afternoon in 98 (which i missed). Suffered the FAC hammerings there and of course that awful, awful 8-2. Was there in 06 when Ade grabbed a winner for us when we went there on a hiding to nothing and outplayed them. Midfield was wonderful that day. We we re 17th in the PL at the time! Id take a draw, but once in that place, all rationalty goes out of the window and the urge for the win takes over. I thought we re going to do it 3 years back when Arshavin hammered us into the lead, then Diaby took over and decided he d 'play' for United! We lost 2-1.Heres hoping as i head up there again.

  25. Westlower

    Nov 08, 2013, 13:14 #41519

    Danny, At some point in the future you'll look back and appreciate what good times these are but you are unable to acknowledge it. Were you one of the knockers who sat near me in 70/71 & the Invincible season? Try inverting your half empty glass! Yes it is AFC who are clear leaders of the PL & top of their classy group in ECL. AFC doesn't deserve your unconditional support.

  26. N4

    Nov 08, 2013, 13:14 #41518

    The best part of the game for me was the last 10 minutes. Just like when Dortmund was at Arsenal every little touch aginst their players they were rolling around on the floor and a fould was given. But Arsenal players didn't exactly that but were somehow wasting time in a clever way! Well done boys...what goes around comes around...!

  27. CanadaGooner

    Nov 08, 2013, 13:11 #41517

    We have taken 3 points of 6 on offer against Dortmund, so, nothing spectacular really. However, the nature of the results is what might have encouraged a few fans into thinking this could yet be a special season for Arsenal. At the Emirates, we showed our naivette by not holding on to a 1 - 1 scoreline to all but eliminate Dortmund, but we went off to Germany, and where the old Arsenal would have scored 2 goals and lost 3 - 2, we played dirty and won 0 - 1. That said, We have already showed that perhaps not a lot will change for us this season, as far as winning a trophy goes, by getting dumped out of the Capital One Cup (at home!); ok, not by a lower division team this time around, but still a worrying sign. Now, finally, to the Wengerites coming on here, trying to sound so smug: suck your tongues back in your mouths till we've won a trophy. The folks on here who are questioning Wenger, are questioning the lack of trophies on 8 years, and not our ability to win an isolated match here and there. After we've won a trophy (be it FA cop, CL or the premiership) at the end of the season, you can then open this debate about who was wrong and who was right; and whether Wenger was right all along (stadium etc.). For now, shut your mouths and let's all support the manager and players (and those who want to complain after a loss can surely do so: that's what fans do!; and those who wish to rejoice after a win (and I'm sure we all do), carry on!). Come on you Gunners!

  28. Danny

    Nov 08, 2013, 12:51 #41516

    Looks like people are getting excited. We were lucky in the last 2 games and going to spanked by united. Westlower - Talksport is right, wenger is holding us back!

  29. Westlower

    Nov 08, 2013, 12:47 #41515

    Ron, We don't always see eye to eye but I'm with you 100% today. Man U's mentors, Sky TV, have already starting glorifying their hero's by showing goals from the 8-2. Then more positives on Rooney's great stats against AFC. Swiftly followed by the negatives of AFC's poor record against the treasured ones. I haven't been to OT since Overmars destroyed them in 98 but we're due to put one over them. Fingers crossed the ref isn't seduced by the occasion and can spot a Manc diver when the cheating starts (ghosts of Van Nistleroy, Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, Rooney, Young, etc).

  30. Lord Froth

    Nov 08, 2013, 12:27 #41514

    @Amos. You wrote "You need to understand that there is no year zero in the Gregorian calendar. Hence the first decade started in year one and ended in year ten. Thus the first decade of the 2nd millenium started in 1901 and ended in 1910 and in consequence the 3rd decade runs from 1921 to 1930 when we one our first trophy. Similarly the 7th decade ran from 1961 to 1970 in which year we won the Fairs Cup." So what you're saying is that someone born in 1970 was actually born in the 60s? Technically there is no year 0 but it is widely accepted that a decade lasts from the 0 to the 9 eg. 1990 to 1999. the year 2000 was the start of the 21st century not the ending of the 1900s otherwise there would not have been all the massive celebrations until 2001. I think you're stretching it trying to convince us that we won the Fairs Cup in the 60s buddy. :)

  31. Ron

    Nov 08, 2013, 12:26 #41513

    Only one thing to say today guys. Time very limited. All debates and differences off. Lets just go an thump those f-----g mancs and trounce them well in their own dirty backyard. We ve waited long enough. Its high time. Its needed. It will be good for the game!

  32. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Nov 08, 2013, 11:31 #41512

    I'd find it hard to enjoy life without a sense of humour, Amos, how do you manage it? But I will continue to live in the decade that everyone else has also 'invented'. Hope you enjoyed that solo millennium party on Dec 31st 2000.

  33. BADARSE

    Nov 08, 2013, 11:27 #41511

    Sorry SGRB, I misread your post. Just for historical accuracy, I never celebrated the new millennium beyond a New Year recognition, on either the 1-1-00 or 1-1-01, but recognised the latter as the real beginning. @ Green Hut, that was just a tease pal. I don't feel any animosity towards you, or for that matter SGRB. I think you are valued fans, with quite astute views on many occasions. I don't quite see things your way but I am at odds with most people on this planet with many aspects of life. I was aligning myself with Amos and chris because the calendar thing is a personal gripe of mine. What you say is perfectly true, not overlooked, not ignored, but one I don't subscribe too, even if 60,000 in the stadium did this kiddy wouldn't. Put that down to my bipolar if you like. I do not see you as my enemy, am I? Your description of false and rash assumptions is very harsh, but as expected. I apologised giving you the benefit of the doubt on that occasion. I reasoned that despite my gut feeling your denial was enough to prompt an apology.

  34. Amos

    Nov 08, 2013, 11:17 #41510

    The irony is that you're the one finding specious arguments SGRB. You agree that the points are correct but somehow they're still wrong simply because they lean a little too much towards the positive! To illustrate that it's wrong to make a positive you then invent an entirely cynical and negative scenario 7 years down the line as 'proof' that it's wrong. Quite why you see such little joy in following the club escapes me but really these are the good times. You should try to enjoy them more than you seem able to.

  35. Green Hut

    Nov 08, 2013, 11:09 #41509

    BADARSE- I guess you're still sore at me for pulling you up for making rash and false assumptions a couple of blogs ago, but it looks like you've jumped in again without thinking as I'm not sure where you're trying to go with this one. The point I was making was that the Gregorian calendar is not the reference that football fans use when calculating who won what in which decade, it football terms it is an irrelevance, but then I thought that was all fairly obvious. Don't let nasties like me suck you in buddy, just be.

  36. BADARSE

    Nov 08, 2013, 11:07 #41508

    @Amos, thanks for the correction, I was getting ahead of myself with excitement, ha ha. @SGRB, no I never celebrated the new millennium that day, as it wasn't. In fact it irritated the life out of me anyway as an 'event', let alone confirming my jaundiced view of easily led public going along with it. I saw it as a very USA inspired piece of propaganda, simplified for home consumption.

  37. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Nov 08, 2013, 11:04 #41507

    Picture the scene... it is the end of 2019/20 season. Arsenal's late rallies to grab 4th after going out of everything in early Spring have become as much a part of the British cultural landscape as tea, curry houses and Stephen Fry. But at last, Arsene Wenger's Arsenal have a shiny pot to show off - they've won the FA Cup. "See," pipe up Amos, Chris and Badarse "Arsene's proved all you doubters wrong, it only took 15 years and AFC maintain their proud record of a trophy in every decade... what's that? 2020 is the start of a new decade? Nonsense, the Gregorian calendar..." And so we all find a new way to argue.

  38. Amos

    Nov 08, 2013, 10:54 #41506

    At the risk of upsetting you again SGRB you can pick any 10 year period that you want and it will still be a decade. If you want to 'live' in an invented decade that runs from 2013 to 2022 then you're free to do so. But the fact remains that as you celebrate your birthdays, festivals, anniversaries based on the Gregorian calendar there is only one historically correct sequential decade so it isn't an invention. As with other equally correct statistics you find too uncomfortable to accept you're free to pretend it doesn't exist of course.

  39. Amos

    Nov 08, 2013, 10:41 #41505

    Just for the sake of accuracy that's 9 consecutive decades already Badarse. The 9th decade ran from 2001 to 2010. If we win something by 2020 it will be 10 consecutive decades. Not in itself cause for a street party granted but as no other team has such a record of rewarding their longer term supporters it's bound to be of interest to those who 'like nothing better than revelling in our glorious history'. Or those optimistic about our equally glorious present and future.

  40. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Nov 08, 2013, 10:40 #41504

    @Badarse, though technically, pedantically correct, that is not how anyone actually 'lives' the calendar, is it? Was 1970 not in 'the 70s'? Did you celebrate the millennium on 1st January 2001? I wish they had, but I'm afraid AFC didn't win a trophy in the 1960s. AFC's history is glorious enough, we don't need to invent stats for some other motive.

  41. BADARSE

    Nov 08, 2013, 9:50 #41502

    @Green Hut, another Spartacus moment, I'm afraid. The Amos, chris interpretation of the Gregorian calendar is in fact the correct one. Now be honest, it does please you that I have come out and aligned myself with them, doesn't it? 8 consecutive decades of trophy winning, perhaps the ninth coming up.

  42. John Gooner

    Nov 08, 2013, 9:40 #41501

    Well said that man Jonny Lynch, always speaking the truth others are too polite to. The Wenger Out subject will not be closed until he has left/been sacked, we have seen nothing yet, just a few promising performances. Let's just enjoy the current good feeling and get behind the new manager next season.

  43. Paul Adams

    Nov 08, 2013, 9:34 #41500

    @westlower. Re your comments about Talk Sport, I detest their bigoted & puerile comments, I only wish the Great Irani was still in employ, he would have been mortified by present events! I am North Upper, but like to use my real name, Lets stuff the Mancs Sunday

  44. Mike

    Nov 08, 2013, 8:25 #41498

    @DW Thomas -get out of the wrong side of the bed today mate? Cheer up a bit. Arteta was widely regarded as the unsung hero against Liverpool and he put in an honest shift again last night -the early yellow card didn't help. Two clean sheets against two of the most inform attacks in the world must say something -yes we were lucky to win, but so were they at the Emirates. Mikihitaryan is good but he can't finish. I do think the team does far better and looks more threatening when Rosicky plays as opposed to Wilshire though.

  45. Westlower

    Nov 08, 2013, 8:03 #41497

    TalkSport were discussing Arsenal's title prospects this morning. The conclusion is that an injury crisis will happen at some point in the future to derail our title bid. They conceded AFC have 1 or 2 out injured at present. Should anyone from TalkSport read this, please advise your colleagues that Wishere, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Podolski, Diaby, Flamini, Walcott add up to 6. Gnabry has just returned to the bench in Dortmund. Sanogo is still out. AFC is just coming out of an injury crisis, perhaps TalkSport have been too busy talking about Man U to have noticed. Yesterday afternoon, self appointed leader of the WOB, Adrian Durham, reiterated that AW is the only person preventing AFC from winning the title. No change there then!

  46. DW Thomas

    Nov 08, 2013, 3:32 #41495

    One final comment. Bendtner. It looked like some kind of cruel joke, him coming on. Giroud was everywhere, whereas NB looked like he was out for a quiet, slow jog. That was just plain embarrassing to me. He is the exemplar of why this team hasn't won anything in 8 years! A big ego that never came through in the tough spots. Do you remember those misses against Burnley a few years back? Who on earth as a top team would have someone like him around on the payroll? We quickly forget the shambolic summer transfer season, not counting Ozil. This is what pisses me off the most. That we have been so close and faltered because of lack of depth. What would the team be with another world class striker to go with Ozil? I can only dream...

  47. DW Thomas

    Nov 08, 2013, 2:59 #41494

    A few observations. Arteta was poor and slow. I like him, wanted him when at Everton, but he looked like he had lead boots on last night. Slow as molasses. We got very lucky to win, although Kos should have earned a penalty. What the heck do the officials behind the goal do? Nothing? We should get Reus and Mikihitaryan (?) was a handful. We miss Flamini badly. Sagna must be given a nice contract to keep him here so he can mentor th new blood in defense. He is a lion. Ramsey too is all heart. Ozil, though, looks tired. We need our top subs back and soon! If we win at OT, I will then finally be able to say we can win the league. That its at least possible. Still need reinforcements in January. Has Wenger learned from the past?

  48. Chris

    Nov 07, 2013, 23:01 #41493

    Green Hut - Lovely to see you reduced to criticising my grammar! Are you Arsenal Truth in disguise? Either way, a sure sign you know the game is up when you are left with that..

  49. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 07, 2013, 21:53 #41492

    Luke, have a good time agreeing with everything.

  50. Wenger Out!

    Nov 07, 2013, 21:34 #41491

    Not content with creaming his £50 million over the last eight years he scratched around with his commentary and consultancy gigs when he should have been on the training ground post 2005 working alongside some of GG's boys to create our own 'boot room' instead of belatedly accepting Bouldie's input to save his own skin.That 8-2 thrashing is in the record books with Sir Alex admitting in his autobiography that he wanted his forwards to stop walking the ball in at the end to spare us total humiliation...laughable!

  51. Luke

    Nov 07, 2013, 19:24 #41490

    I agree with Adam. Back to Arseblog. Its depressing on this site. The only really good thing here apart from the result is Santi's face on that picture. Top class.

  52. Green Hut

    Nov 07, 2013, 18:17 #41489

    Hi Chris- It was only the good grammar of Amos that stopped me believing that he was in fact you, but seeing as you have suddenly appeared praising him in perfect English, maybe I was right with my suspicions. Glad you enjoyed the Gregorian calendar insight, but unfortunately the Arsenal trophy record that it relates to is not one that anyone recognises or cares about. Except you two. Or just you. Whichever it may be.

  53. ppp

    Nov 07, 2013, 18:16 #41488

    Well done the lads! And not just for getting points and being top - well done for making the already marginal Wenger-haters look like the disparate mob of dullards and tottenham-sympathisers they are.. HA! ;)

  54. gee

    Nov 07, 2013, 18:05 #41487

    The most cold and distant article I've read by KW for a long time. The man is desperate for Arsenal to fail so he can wield the "wenger out" line but as long as we keep winning the more frustrated KW becomes. And the more cold and distant his articles become. He simply wants change but the results thus far do not agree with his agenda

  55. Unchives

    Nov 07, 2013, 17:53 #41486

    Fantastic result from the Lads .Lets beat those dirty cheating mancs...put them to sleep for this season anyway.This result is critical, both practically and psychologically. This would cap the week in style. COME ON YOU GOONERS!

  56. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 07, 2013, 17:51 #41485

    goongoo, congratulations you're a clairvoyant i always knew there were some on here.

  57. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 07, 2013, 17:40 #41484

    The only downside to a great night was the sight of Bendtner standing on the touchline ready to come on with his hair tied up like a samurai but that's where the resemblance ended because he no warrior, do samurai's have carthorses? there's still the remains of failure stinking the place out.

  58. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Nov 07, 2013, 17:37 #41483

    Looks like Chris wants to pick up where Amos left off! And what a surprise he should think Amos is 'owning' the arguments, given his inclinations. I had thought the Gregorian calendar stuff must be a joke, along with the 'single minded determination' to finish 3rd rather than 1st, but no, great insight according to Chris.

  59. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Nov 07, 2013, 17:24 #41482

    There is a film with Sean Connery in it where he describes the Japanese attitude to problems which in essence is " don't bitch about it --- fix it". It isn't and wasn't ever about letting Wenger off the hook or onto it. There are certain fundamentals about the game that if you watch it for long enough, you become familiar with (even if you have worked not one day in football). Wenger thought that he could ignore those fundamentals and he was wrong to do so. Now, on his return to compliance with the fundamentals, we all find ourselves (a) enjoying things again and (b) making some progress. Do I want to put him to death for putting us through the last 8 years, yes. Is there a tearing need to be bothered about arranging for his long overdue P45 now that he would appear to have wised up, no. I see him starting his retirement in the near future, enjoying a café au lait and a single very expensive madeleine at cap d'antibes, looking into the middle distance and wondering about it all. Meanwhile, his chauffeur, Abou Diaby, rests his injured limbs and counts his cash. In a tall building nearby, Sean Connery adjusts his gunsight.

  60. Chris

    Nov 07, 2013, 17:24 #41481

    Amos is falling foul of the fact that it is a cardinal sin to give any argument - no matter how well formed and presented - that puts Wenger and the current regime in a better light than many of the current critics see them in. In fact, the better formed, the more it is likely to irk some, because the folly of their own views and prejudices - poorly formed as they often are - is brought into sharper focus. Amos is totally owning the gruesome twosome of SGRB and Green Hut on here today, esp liked the Gregorian calendar insight. Great stuff! Now I'll get me coat....

  61. Green Hut

    Nov 07, 2013, 17:23 #41480

    Amos- Ah yes of course the Gregorian calendar, the football community's favourite calendar, the calendar you used in the context of your confidence in Arsenal winning silverware again. Absolutely no praise intended toward Wenger though I'm sure. But you're right we did manage 3rd place in two of the seasons I mentioned, they would be the seasons that Wenger's 'single-minded determination' got us to 3rd from positions of 5 points clear at the top with a game in hand (late Feb 2008), and top with 7 games to go (finished 11 points behind champions 2010). Hey but maybe we were just chasing rainbows and it was never, ever going to happen.

  62. jjetplane

    Nov 07, 2013, 17:13 #41479

    Only got to hear on the radio and after the goal and the subsequent massive hush and then 3000 Gooners taking over a bastion of modern football - I was emotive in that way you get when football happens. Totally mental and dreams are working their way back. Beginning to see the genius of Ozil as he readapts and brings others into a new meaning. Flamini will be most pleased with Arteta. I spoke poorly of Arsenal on many occasions and that includes 45 years back Bit like your favourite band making a really bad concept album and then storming back with a killa of a mini album. Whatever the season brings - last night was of an immensity where OT looks like a hunting ground today. Now if they could bring down the price of a fish supper .... Kevin - dig your level-headedness when things get very sublime. Meanwhile me own little club are top of their league and if I tell you it's 3 and a half notes to get in you will appreciate them beating the leaders 5 - 2 adds to the madness. Football - what else!

  63. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Nov 07, 2013, 17:09 #41478

    Amos, naturally I disagree with your interpretation of my remarks, but do agree we're going around in circles, and it's always best to leave it when it starts drifting into ad hominem, however slyly. I also agree with your final sentence, so that's a good place to stop.

  64. Amos

    Nov 07, 2013, 16:45 #41477

    SGRB. Your whole objection to my simple observation was on the premise that our player income alone somehow negated the higher level of actual spending from the profits we did make since Kroenke took control. I'm not twisting your words you're twisting your own. But we're going round in circles and as we're now drifting into daft concepts of superiority and agendas and sensitivity to tone I'll leave things where they lie. Here's hoping the season carries on as it has started.

  65. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Nov 07, 2013, 16:28 #41476

    But nowhere in that quote, or elsewhere, am I attempting to divorce income from its role within profits. You've as creatively spun my words as you do your accountancy - naughty Amos. And I'm not so 'confused' as to not spot the sly dig in 'I accept it was confused enough to have confused yourself'. Your belief in your own intellectual superiority certainly helps explain the tone of your posts...

  66. GoonerRon

    Nov 07, 2013, 16:21 #41475

    @ Norfolk Gooner and West Lower - the first ****eter is the points gained in head to heads between the three teams, so if we all end up on 12 points it will mean each team have taken 6 points off each other. Next is goal difference in those head to head games. Obviously this would depend on by how many goals Dortmund beat Napoli by and how many Napoli beat us by. It's a bit of a head **** at this stage so I'd rather say 4 points from 2 games mean we top the group! If we finish second the likely opponents in the next round will come from PSG, Real, Barca, Athletico and Bayern so we need to make sure we focus on winning the group.

  67. Amos

    Nov 07, 2013, 16:18 #41474

    If it were a verbatim quote I'd have used quote marks obviously SGRB and you have to join it up with all that went before to follow the point. As in your post ".....never referring to the income from those transfer windows, which places your stat in its true light." Hence it was a point you did make though I accept it was confused enough to have confused yourself. Don't worry about other readers - by now only you and I are reading them.

  68. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Nov 07, 2013, 15:54 #41472

    "quite how you can convince yourself to see income from players as somehow revenues available to spend outside of the profit we make is also beyond my expectation" And where do I say that? If you're going to argue against points I haven't made then there is nowhere else for this to go. That'll be a relief, to me and others reading this.

  69. Westlower

    Nov 07, 2013, 15:49 #41471

    Norfolk Gooner, I believe it's on goal difference if all 3 are on 12 points. Then most goals scored, finally head to head. This is my best guess and I'm sure someone will correct me if I've got it wrong. Let's hope we get either 13 or 15 points.

  70. Ron

    Nov 07, 2013, 15:47 #41470

    Westie - point taken, but international football esp the freindlies are largely little jaunts for the most part. Full of reluctantly involved players at half pace, dodging tackles and generally going through the motions, exactly what Bendtners done all of his career in a Club shirt so its not surprising therefore that he scores a few playing for an international team that doesnt compete and rarely plays in vital, challenging games. In fact the whole 'recipe' of modern international football ingredients is tailor made for the idle nonentity. For me, he represents everything thats wrong with modern football and i look at him from the vantage point as a football fan, not a blinkered Gooner. Hes there for the money. Hes had chances to move and hasnt just because of the money. Hes another of Wengers enormous misjudgments, indulging him in giving him that silly money before he'd done anything and the list of them is endless. As far as him being one of ours applies, hes maybe one of yours, hes not one of mine. I wouldnt play him in the pub team that i still occasionally turn out for to be truthful.His new hairstyle tells the full story of what hes about im afraid.

  71. Amos

    Nov 07, 2013, 15:45 #41469

    I didn't hold any expectations of convincing you of anything SGRB though quite how you can convince yourself to see income from players as somehow revenues available to spend outside of the profit we make is also beyond my expectation. If they provide you with the answers you want to hear then of course you should hold onto your convictions and mythical agenda theories.

  72. Mike

    Nov 07, 2013, 15:35 #41468

    Funny at this stage how the following game becomes more critical than the next, or without Flamini we dont stand a chance. What game this season was bigger than last night This is essentially the same team as last year, many of whom were severely criticised. Interestin stat, over the two legs there was a total of 14 shots on target - 6 to Arsenal (2 goals), 8 to Dortmund (3 goals).For two of the most attacking teams in Europe, this is a telling stat. Big up to BFG again - massive in defence

  73. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Nov 07, 2013, 15:34 #41467

    Amos, try as you might, I'm afraid you're never going to convince me that income from selling players doesn't count and can't be considered, only outlays, however you wish to phrase it and whatever filters it passes through first. And try as you might, you're not going to convince me that your repeated highlighting of certain stats are 'simple and straightforward observations' done for their own sake, rather than with an agenda behind them. The things you highlight are of a piece, and form a coherent picture, by my interpretation. But of course, you will see this as due to my 'mental fragility', as opposed to your own implied 'mental strength' in never doubting club direction over the past few years - not that it takes that much mental strength to simply follow those in power.

  74. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 07, 2013, 15:32 #41466

    1975, The FODTL and else where brigade know no better ignore them, everyone else does.

  75. Amos

    Nov 07, 2013, 15:30 #41465

    @canadagooner. Of course Kroenke is here to make money. What we need is someone good at making money instead of those old school tie patriarchal types that ran the club for a little too long until Fiszman grabbed the reins and bought into Wenger's vision. In order for Kroenke to make money for himself he has to make money for the club. In order to make money for the club and himself he has to succeed which means ultimately winning titles and trophies. You don't get sponsored for nothing. Sponsors will expect their payback. That my friend is Planet Earth.

  76. Amos

    Nov 07, 2013, 15:17 #41464

    @greenhut. You need to understand that there is no year zero in the Gregorian calendar. Hence the first decade started in year one and ended in year ten. Thus the first decade of the 2nd millenium started in 1901 and ended in 1910 and in consequence the 3rd decade runs from 1921 to 1930 when we one our first trophy. Similarly the 7th decade ran from 1961 to 1970 in which year we won the Fairs Cup. None of that heaps praise on Wenger of course simply on the club itself which is the point I made. As for 2008, 2010, 2011 I'm not sure that you can fairly argue that all of the 3 clubs you mentioned slipped up in those years but as we'd managed 3rd in two of those seasons perhaps we did take some advantage - and one man's stubbornness is simply another's single minded determination.

  77. norfolk gooner

    Nov 07, 2013, 15:14 #41463

    Great result. Still think three teams will end up with 12pts though,then what is it goal difference or head to head anyone know how it works? One more big performance to complete a fantastic week COYG.

  78. Jim

    Nov 07, 2013, 15:07 #41462

    Nice report, sour puss. I wonder whether you even crack a smile when arsenal score. The linesman was looking like our man of the match??? You've lost it. I don't remember him giving us a decision we didn't deserve, although he did give Gibbs offside when he looked on. I honestly read your reports only for the comedy value. You have made snide remarks about more players than you've praised!

  79. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 07, 2013, 15:07 #41461

    Adam, what brings you here then, why don't you stay there.

  80. 1975

    Nov 07, 2013, 15:01 #41460

    Fonz...Johnny Lynch...I wont dwell on this...I pointed out that pro Wenger folk get told to get lost...that is equally unnecessary. Fonz..you are quite right...name calling is just out of order...no need for Johnny Lynch to do so. It works both ways. Again...Attack the arguments not the people. Thats what the majority of posters do on this forum. Back to the argument...I would submit to you Johnny Lynch ...that whilst the last 8 years have been frustrating and I was of the view last season that Wenger should go...results have given me and other Wenger doubters something to think about. We are top of the league and in a good position in the ECL. This is far more than many of us could have thought possible in the dark days of mid summer when we looked a bit of a joke in the transfer market. We have not won anything yet. But what is positive right now is that we are competing. You suggest that Wenger will lose out to Mourinho or Guardiola. Last night he polished off Klopp on his own invincible turf. This the same Klopp who is regarded as one of the hottest talents in football management. If a vacancy comes up at Barca, Real or any top European club including an English one, he will be regarded as a candidate. So to suggest that Wenger has not got what it takes to match the best oponents is a bit unfair. Had that oaf Bendtner stretched out his leg at the Nou Camp a few seasons ago and touched the ball in, we might have gone on to the final and maybe folk would have thought Guardiola as being only half the package. I think whatever our views on Wenger, right now you cannot deny that something good is happening at the club and after 10 prem games and 6 ECL games, that is not down to luck or freak incidents. We as supporters cannot demand silverware. You can be a dodgy offside or penalty decision from losing a final. But we can and should demand that our team competes. Im not too bothered about Europe. Its the league that is all important. If we can sustain a title challenge through to the last weeks of the season, that will be a huge improvement for me and I would be backing Wenger to sign a new contract. Not something I expected myself to say last season. Nobody needs to P*** off down the lane.

  81. Amos

    Nov 07, 2013, 14:59 #41459

    I'm not protesting at all SGRB let alone squealing. I made a simple and factual observation that you took exception to which you then,in indignant protest tried to challenge as you were uncomfortable with a statistic that risked casting the club in a positive light. As you had gone to so much trouble to dismiss my observation it would have been rude of me to ignore you so I felt I should have the courtesy to respond. I also felt that your own misunderstanding of the extent of player investment and the role of gross revenues in that investment potential would benefit from clarification. Victory through harmony eh!

  82. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Nov 07, 2013, 14:58 #41458

    Three points. 1. Alan Smith's bizarre commentary effort more than suggested this was a streaky win. Get over it Alan, you played and scored the winner in one of European football's greatest defensive displays. 2. Koscielny and Mertesacker learnt fast in a fortnight about how best to deal with Lewandowski. Massive improvement in that area compared to the home leg. 3. Bless the dear old BBC. They couldn't dig us about the result, so they have a crack at the old "Dortmund's most expensive season ticket costs less than Arsenal's cheapest" chestnut. We're all well aware of that, thanks. No mention of the discrepancy, bar Bayern, in wage levels between English Divison One und der Bundesliga. Why let facts get in the way of an agenda, eh?

  83. Green Hut

    Nov 07, 2013, 14:55 #41456

    Amos- There's nothing I like better than revelling in our glorious history but in your eagerness to heap praise on Wenger you attempt to stretch things a little too far by claiming our first FA Cup was won in the 1920's, and try finding anyone over a certain age who believes that we won the Fairs Cup in the 1960's, although of course there are many on here and at the soulless bowl who don't believe Arsenal existed to any great extent before 1996. Anyway, let's hope your accountancy isn't quite so creative. Re your response to Canada Gooner, everyone was aware of the external factors you mention and no-one expected Arsenal to win or even seriously challenge for the title every single season, but what we did expect Wenger to do, as we've discussed before, was to use every available resource at his disposal to capitalise in the years that Man Utd/City/Chelsea slipped up. The fact is that in 2008, 2010 and 2011 he either failed to do that, or he grossly misjudged the technical, physical or mental abilities of his players. To try to brush aside Wenger's stubborness as a 'relatively minor characteristic' is as blinkered as The Great Man himself.

  84. CanadaGooner

    Nov 07, 2013, 14:54 #41455

    @ Amos: wow! Kroeke loves football so much, he's come over from America just to ENHANCE arsenal's value! Jeez man! what planet are you on! It's ALL ABOUT ££££££. If you're talking about a club owned by a life-long fan or something like that (e.g. Wigan), I would say, ok. But even with Wigan, he probably started by raking it in with JJB Sports. If Wenger wasnt lining the owner's pockets, then, the owner is just averse to winnign trophies? (perhaps the cost of polishing the trophies and dusting the trophy cabinet got so high that the owners of the club decided we had to take an 8 year break). you really are quite comical my friend (and that's not me being insulting): FOOTBALL is big money! and in today's world, it's ALL about money (even for rich folks like Abrahmovic - he's probably using the favours from wining and dining his powerful oligarch mates at chelsea; or just using it as his toy: eitherway, it all boils down to making money).

  85. Wenger Out!

    Nov 07, 2013, 14:51 #41454

    A third of a century in management and no European trophy...laughable!

  86. Westlower

    Nov 07, 2013, 14:47 #41453

    Ron, I totally agree Bendtner should be offloaded but it wont happen until January. Until then we need to encourage him to do his best whenever he plays. His two goals recently against Italy tell us he's not useless. How many strikers can you name in PL who've scored 24 International goals? Statements he made two years ago stem from hurt pride and rejection. Until he goes he remains one of ours.

  87. Danny

    Nov 07, 2013, 14:42 #41452

    A good away win, against a great Team. We were bending at times with the pressure but grabbed a Graham like WIN. Well done boys and Well done Bouldie! Saying that, it is clear we still need a World Class striker (Suarez) and Great Midfielder (Lars Bender) to complete this team. Somehow I cannot see this happening. Wenger is Wenger. He will line up his owns pockets and the owners before he really starts throwing the cash. This is the time to us the Fans he mans business Listening to Talksport, so many Gooners were saying we will the league. Idiots the lot of them. I have seen Arsenal play well and not win anything. We need grit and consistency to beat teams like Chelsea, City and United before saying we have a chance If Wenger has balls and the team has any irking of beating United at OT, then the captain should put Van Persies face and what Rooney said on the dressing room door for motivation I still say, United will win 3-0 Cheerio………….

  88. Amos

    Nov 07, 2013, 14:35 #41451

    @canadagooner. Wenger's impact on the club has been anything but minor but he has his quirks and foibles just like any other human. Strangely enough it seems that only those most disenchanted with him think he should be superhuman and can see minor character traits as responsible for limiting our success in a period when so much else has gone on in football. I'm not sure how at a club when nothing has gone from the club into owners pockets how it can be a fair criticism of the club that Wenger has somehow lined them. The owners have certainly enhanced the value by sensible stewardship and wise asset investments and Wenger's undoubted brilliance but the money made has thus far only gone into the club. I take the point about players that have flopped but that's as true of very club, it goes with the territory, but in terms of the cost to the club far more damaging and costly to a number of other clubs than our failures have been to us. At the same time we've profited more from the nuggets we've unearthed that the fool's gold we picked up at little cost. Had we chased the rainbows that other clubs relying using their own resources but forgoing investment in raising revenues have done we would probably stand less chance of enjoying future golden decades.

  89. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Nov 07, 2013, 14:32 #41450

    You're right, Amos, you're free to call other supporters 'mentally fragile' if you wish. But then perhaps you shouldn't 'squeal in protest' yourself when someone else makes a judgment on you, based on your behaviour on this site, that you don't like.

  90. Amos

    Nov 07, 2013, 14:18 #41449

    So presumably any statistic that doesn't reinforce your prejudices SGRB must by definition be ‘cherry picked’ I presume? Or isn't it just a simple enough fact that you find inconvenient so have tried to dismiss by similarly ‘cherry picking’ other rather more qualified 'facts'? It's always amusing to me that supporters can freely criticise, as they're perfectly entitled to, the club, players and officials with all sorts of disparaging remarks, whether justified or not, but offer any criticism of some supporters and, rather like an indignant motorist pulled up for speeding, those some supporters critical of the club will squeal in protest. What's sauce for the goose should be sauce for the gander. Describing some supporters as 'mentally fragile' is fairly mild compared to some of the flak thrown around - and probably a fairly reasonable observation in the circumstances.

  91. goongoo

    Nov 07, 2013, 14:13 #41448

    I saw this coming, I knew Arsenal would win the game. I think it's about time you all skeptics start believing in the team you claim you support and get behind them when another gloomy day comes our way.

  92. CanadaGooner

    Nov 07, 2013, 14:12 #41447

    @ Amos: if you can say buying Silvestre and Chamakh and Squillaci (even if they came on a FREE; they were still paid some wages) and a host of other players we were paying good salaries, when he could have spent the money on ONE decent player (which would have kept the likes of Fabregas and Van Persi, and Clichi and Nasri from walking away) 'minor', then, you really are taking the mickey. I used to think Wenger's impact on the club was 'MINOR' years back; but after seeing how he lined the owner's pockets all these years (selling players and bringing free transfers and babies in), it is quite clear that the last 8 years could have been very different. That said, we dont know all the details, so, I am inclined to agree to discagree with you, that it is very possible that a few more things went on behind the scenes (as I do not 100% think that a manager who won so much in his first 9 years, would readily want to go the next 9 years winning nothing)

  93. Johhny Lynch

    Nov 07, 2013, 14:11 #41446

    Hey 1975 , thanks for your support re the comments from The Fonz (The Fonz.. says it all) Not quite a lifelong supporter , the first six years of my life were spent watching The Magic Roundabout but the other 42 have been following Arsenal all over Europe .. You see, The Fonz (says it all really ) makes a determined point to let us all know he spends a ton of money . The New Breed Supporter who ruins the club.

  94. Getyergooner

    Nov 07, 2013, 14:07 #41445

    Interesting to see the first comment on this report by JayJay. If people can't be positive after last night you just have to question their loyalty (Barnet are still looking for supporters you know!). Good report Kev, now for Man U

  95. Amos

    Nov 07, 2013, 13:55 #41444

    @canadagooner "....criticizing a manager who through stubbornness capped what could have been a glorious decade for the club, isnt a crime." Any criticism of itself shouldn't be criminal but attributing relative lack of success in what should have been a glorious decade solely to Wenger's stubbornness is heading in that direction. Especially when that so called 'golden decade' includes the 2003 Abramovich venture into football, the 2005 changes in player contract law that made it much easier for 'financially doped' clubs to entice players away, the 2006 move into the Emirates and related investment issues either side of that, plus the 2008 acquisition of City by Mansour. None of that need make criticism of Wenger's stubbornness (or single mindedness if you prefer) any less valid or not but it would be criminal not to point out that a whole lot more, far more significant factors, impacted on our ability to enjoy a golden decade than that relatively minor characteristic.

  96. Ron

    Nov 07, 2013, 13:49 #41443

    Westie - Sorry mate, but a vital group game fundamental to the chances of progress isnt the time to indulge a donkey who needs a carrot. Bendtner needs offloading. Hes useless. Always has been. Always will be. Hes a name in a squad. No more and no less. He makes the numbers up to the mandatory level. Importantly hes also the guy who was revelling in his desire 'never to go back to Arsenal' 2 years back when he was conning Sunderland he might have some indiscernible use. Theres a reason opposing Clubs fans laugh when his names mentioned and its these points i mention. He s a defender's ticket to a day off.The fact hes still at the Club is mismnanagement.

  97. Lee

    Nov 07, 2013, 13:47 #41442

    GET SAGNA SIGNED UP FOR 2+ YEARS NOW!!!!

  98. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Nov 07, 2013, 13:44 #41441

    Amos, it's your cherry picking of certain stats that lead me to think you've got a certain agenda. And if you're going to call those who don't share your nigh on unconditional support for the status quo at club over the club itself as an institution (as the particular facts you cherry pick, repeat and therefore 'favour' demonstrate) 'mentally fragile', then you're going to have to expect it's going to irk and someone is going to have a go at you and pick you up on what you're up to - me, in this instance.

  99. underacheiver

    Nov 07, 2013, 13:38 #41440

    hibeegunner, yes it would be nice to see Bouldie given some credit for the work he is undoubtedly doing for the defense, but I cannot remember any manager from any club ever giving credit to his assistants, seems to be a trait shared by all managers

  100. cyril

    Nov 07, 2013, 13:29 #41439

    1975 - Speech over...if you disagree with me go watch some NFL or something! oh irony, irony, they have all got it irony!!

  101. Westlower

    Nov 07, 2013, 13:29 #41438

    To all those you don't have a good word to say about AFC, Live in the present and future and stop dwelling on the past. Your lives will brighten considerably. It was good management by Wenger to bring on Bendtner on an away ground in a bid to bolster his flagging confidence. The Emirates crowd wont have him at any price but he may be needed in the coming weeks. He's woefully short of match practice and played like a rabbit caught in the headlights against Chelsea. Think Ramsey, FBG, GK, TV, Giroud, last year & we wouldn't have much of a team left if some fans had their way. Be tolerant and support players who are in need of it. Cowardly bully boys kick people who are down.

  102. CanadaGooner

    Nov 07, 2013, 13:28 #41437

    @ Brian Dawes: the club is Arsenal FC not Wenger FC. When Wenger leaves, perhaps you will follow him to France? I have never boo-ed the team and never will, but criticizing a manager who through stubbornness capped what could have been a glorious decade for the club, isnt a crime. The equally obvious point you're missing, is that us folks who criticize Wenger, still pay the same price to go to the games, and derive the same satisfaction from seeing the team do well. We simply wish some of these changes had come sooner and we'd done better in the past 8 years. In any case; nothing has changed YET; we havent won anything yet this season. SO, CALM YOURSELVES DOWN!

  103. JimmyGooner

    Nov 07, 2013, 13:22 #41436

    Interesting observtion by BADARSE about Kevin's use of language to describe our team. He's decent enough writer, probably better than many bloggers, but what it lacks is the passion of a true fan which would be fine on an independent site, but this is a fan site and therefore there's no harm in letting the passion and enthusiasm shine through. What a great night it was. I've been trying to stop myself from getting carried away but after that win, I can't help myself. Mid-table opposition next up. I reckon we'll have the league done and dusted by the end of Feb!!

  104. Amos

    Nov 07, 2013, 13:13 #41435

    How is pointing out the fact that we have spent more on transfers over the last 5 windows than the previous 16 combined be anything other than a positive period of player investment - let alone cause you so much angst???? On the other hand pointing to headline figures of net player sales as opposed to profit on player trading (something very different as I've shown)as you're attempting to do, is a gross misrepresentation of investment capability. Nothings changed with the outlay on Ozil. We certainly haven't spent more. Less in fact in this season so far. The only difference is that we've spent on one player instead of 2 or 3 - many of whom have proved just as valuable an investment in this current run which pre-dates the acquisition of Ozil by some distance. Is a statistic automatically 'my favourite' simply because I put it forward? Does it then become your 'least favourite' if I do? Why not just see it for what it is? - an interesting fact that perhaps points to a consistent record of success that long term supporters, seeing the bigger picture, might or might not take some encouragement from.

  105. Ron

    Nov 07, 2013, 13:09 #41434

    Brian Dawes - Being critical doesnt by definition make someone 'anti'. A lot of us have long since eschewed this so called for or against AW habit that you seem to revel in. Theres none more critical of AW than me in the last 3 years, but i support my Club. Many like me, dont boo either. Its fine that youre on here smugly and self satisfyingly grinning at last nights fine win, but try growing up a bit, at least pretend to be an adult and engage what grey matter you might (possibly) possess before you spout your own brand of 'rollocks'. We all see the same things before our eyes. Theres nothing wrong with having different interpretations of it. Try looking at both sides of an argument, youll maybe become a better person for it.

  106. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 07, 2013, 13:08 #41433

    We certainly weathered the storm and hit them just as the tornado was about to touch down, it was a great defensive display and that was as pleasing as anything. I think we all would have settled for a draw including the team and manager, and maybe that was in their minds until the chance arose to kick Joe 90 and his team up the arse and make their cheerleaders swallow their loudhailers,and Ramsey once again took that chance. Another good all round display with everyone playing their part, even the ref who i think had an excellent game standing strong amid all the noise to make the correct decisions when Arteta was pushing his luck. Another win and three more points in the pursuit of Wengers Holy Grail and another confidence booster for Sunday and another three points would round off a good week but remember that's all it would be another three points we've won nothing yet.

  107. Brian Dawes

    Nov 07, 2013, 12:58 #41432

    It's gratifying to know that there are still some anti-Wengerites around. I've really been missing their moaning and booing in the stadium of late so it's good to know they're still alive and kicking and talking the usual old rollocks despite the evidence of their own eyes. But then I guess where would the world be without negativity, moaning, whinging and the like. Heaven forbid it ever became a better place and they missed out on actually enjoying it.

  108. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Nov 07, 2013, 12:52 #41431

    What was pleasing to see last night were the amount of bodies getting in the way of Dortmund in the box. Now let's take that to OT and get them with a repeat performance.

  109. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Nov 07, 2013, 12:50 #41430

    I haven't denied your point, Amos, indeed I called it a 'fact'. You're attempting to misrepresent my argument. My counterpoint remains: you're trying to portray the last few years as a golden era of player investment, when they have not been. You can deny that's what you're up to if you wish, that's my interpretation, based on your frequent repetition of that 'fact'. As I also said, that's changed now with Ozil and I hope it continues. On your other responses: I see you have a new favourite stat of 'a trophy every decade'. So the nearest you have to a timescale then is a further seven seasons, in order to hold this stat up. And indeed AFC have gone longer than 9 seasons without a trophy - once before since the 1930s, 17 seasons between 1953 and 1970.

  110. The Fonz

    Nov 07, 2013, 12:37 #41429

    Wind it in 1975! That individual decided to insult someone, in fact resorted to name calling because someone else expressed an opinion. So if you want to pipe up with your faux sanctimony then save it, everyone can express an opinion but if you are going to plump for one that is derisory and insulting, on top of espousing quite a negative comment towards the manger for being apparently inept then they can expect someone to stand up and tell them where to go.....they have the right of reply also! I like many others are so tired of the negative rhetoric still coming out of supposed fans! We all have our issues with the last 8 years but any fan who wants to try and put a negative spin on the team right now can p*** off down the lane quite frankly because they are not FANS! And I like many others do spend a F** ton of money following the boys, and I'm so bored of idiots who pay money to hurl abuse at the team and other fans!

  111. Dan h

    Nov 07, 2013, 12:35 #41428

    Fantastic week to be an Arsenal fan after the weekend result this was another top performance.I thought once again everyone put their hands up put in a shift & pulled off a great result.Keep saying with players coming back Flamini & Walcott looking good for Sunday the group available have really gelled & the spirit in the team is evident.Good to see the communication on the bench between AW & Bould lot more dialogue.Another big test Sunday we go into it in good shape we can all agree on that point!

  112. Amos

    Nov 07, 2013, 12:31 #41427

    You're the one missing the bigger picture SGRB. There's nothing misleading about the point made. It stands perfectly well as a statement of fact. Of course there're are other facts but none of them make the investment levels over the last 5 transfer windows any less true. I seem to recall another poster was even able to show that it remained true when measured as investment against profit so it's difficult to understand why you should be so troubled by it. Denying it just seems like an entrenched prejudice to me. I would have thought you would be applauding it and wanting the club to continue in the same way. No profits do not necessarily follow from gross income. That would only come about if your total expenditure were less than income. That doesn't necessarily manifest itself in player trading in which you can make a profit even if you sell a player for less than was paid for him. Buy a player for £20m on a 4 year contract and sell him at the end of year 2 for £12m and you'll show a £2m profit. Income from player sales has to go in part to cover the outlays on players like Arshavin with no residual contract value and the extension of existing player contracts.

  113. Ron

    Nov 07, 2013, 12:23 #41426

    Great win. Manure far more vital game though. Itw wasnt a vintage performance but out of such wins can often flow great confidence.Lets be realistic. The ball is running for us right now, as it has to for any team to win trophies. Enjoy the victory for sure but lets keep it in perspective. Manure will have enjoyed that last night. Theyve caught us before when we ve been on a roll and seem to always end up deflating us, either through football but often through the dark forces that accompany them benignly. OT is the one for me. A good result there and i might start to tentatively place a foot gently and precariously on the 'optimism and belief' ladder. C mon you Gunners and yes, well done Arsene.

  114. GoonerRon

    Nov 07, 2013, 12:21 #41425

    I thought it was a stupendous away performance, full of character, heart, spirit, concentration and big-game-chance-taking. No team will go to Dortmund and not be under the cosh for long periods as they are a really good team - opponents will invariably rely on a chance being missed, a last ditch tackle or a great save from their GK - we almost sometimes seem embarrassed to accept this sometimes. After we scored I thought we defended brilliantly and actually executed a game plan of sitting deeper to not give them counter-attacking opportunities (this is an area where we have made great strides in the last 6 months). All in all, a fabulous three points and a massive boost in this pivotal week which thus far reads two wins out of two and two clean sheets.

  115. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Nov 07, 2013, 12:13 #41424

    Big picture, Amos, you trot out that stat in isolation again and again (oh yes you do, many more times than a couple) to try and give a misleading impression of the last few years. Profits follow from gross income, do you disagree with that? Or are you actually denying the sale of players took place? What you're doing by keep trotting out a single fact as if it exists in a world of its own is disingenuous, and you know it. But repeating it again and again makes it sound suspiciously like propaganda from HQ, therefore doesn't enhance, rather negates, its intended impact.

  116. 1975

    Nov 07, 2013, 12:12 #41423

    On this forum I think we should stop telling fans to pi** off down to the lane or go support another team if they express views that you dont agree with. Johnny Lynch expressed a view and was told to do so by another poster. Pro Wenger supporters have been told to do the same. Can we end this please. Any Arsenal supporter is entitled to express a view on this forum without fear of being verbally attacked by another. I dont agree with Johnny Lynch but I support his right to say what he thinks. For all I know he could be a lifelong gooner who has spent a personal fortune following the club over decades. If that was the case it would be pretty insulting to be told to get lost and support the scum. Even if that is not the case, attack the arguments and views you dont agree with not the person making it. We are Arsenal Supporters...we are a different class! Speech over...if you disagree with me go watch some NFL or something!

  117. hibeegunner

    Nov 07, 2013, 12:12 #41422

    About time Wenger gave Steve Bould some credit for our recent defensive performances the man learnt him trade under G.G. and we all know how well that worked out.

  118. Westlower

    Nov 07, 2013, 12:05 #41421

    Group F prediction: AFC 13 points; BD 12 points; Napoli 10 points. Klopp will avoid being deep in the plopp! Babatunde, Johnny Lynch, Finsbury Joe, Wenger Out, Wrap up warm boys as they'll be a very cold wind blowing through the Lane this evening. How is the old Europa Cup campaign going? All your friends at Gooner Towers wish you to keep qualifying and destroy your chances of PL top 4.

  119. Amos

    Nov 07, 2013, 11:54 #41420

    I've probably made that investment observation a couple of times at most SRGB. It remains just as true though. Gross income isn't relevant in terms of capacity to spend only profits allow that. For reasons best know to you that simple truth, inconvenient as it is those wedded to their prejudices, seems to irk you somewhat. We've gone longer than 9 seasons in the past without a trophy. I don't really have a timescale but it'll take however long it takes and to a not insignificant extent is dependent on factors that we don't have control of. Those factors that we do control are looking positive though so I'm pretty confident that we'll extend our record of being the only club to win a trophy in each of the last 9 successive historical decades in what remains of the present decade.

  120. I sat next to Bin Laden at Highbury

    Nov 07, 2013, 11:53 #41419

    It was a great result but Wenger HAS to win a trophy before i let him off the hook.One win in Dortmund in the group stages proves nothing.We beat the best team in Europe last season FFS.No when that piece of silverware is in our trophy cabinet(Do we actually have one?)will i even start to forgive Wenger for the barren years.We have been here before great wins v Madrid Milan Barca and Bayern.This team is always capable of a stunning result but remember Dortmund did beat us at home(a result that seems to have been quickly forgotten)

  121. Wenger Out!

    Nov 07, 2013, 11:42 #41418

    Almost a decade without a pot to piss in....laughable!

  122. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Nov 07, 2013, 11:31 #41417

    First off, great win, much more significant than the Munich one as it's a victory in itself, not part of a two legged tie in which we went out. @Amos, I see you still pull out that 'spent more in last 5 transfer windows' stat in virtually every comment you make, never referring to the income from those transfer windows, which places your stat in its true light. May I remind people we've sold the likes of Fabregas and Van Persie during the Kroenke era, so it hasn't been quite golden era of investment that Amos would like to portray it as, though hopefully that's all changed now since the purchase of Ozil. As for the policies still being 'right' even if we finish trophyless once again, that would be 9 trophyless seasons. How much longer would the 'processes' you speak of require to bear fruition? Care to put a timescale on it?

  123. Peter

    Nov 07, 2013, 11:29 #41416

    Couldnt agree more about Sagna.Another great performance but while Jenkinson gets a long term contract Bacary gets a one year deal.And whose fault will it be if Sagna leaves on a free.Bad mismanagement from Wenger didnt we learn our lesson from Flamini?.But you can bet some of our dopey fans will call him greedy.

  124. The Fonz

    Nov 07, 2013, 11:23 #41415

    @Johnny Lynch - Sigh.....thought we had seen the end to the likes of you. Go down the lane and join them lot, you are not wanted here! What game were you watching? Clearly a arm chair fan with that type of nonsense..

  125. Johnny Lynch

    Nov 07, 2013, 11:04 #41414

    "WengerOut" subject is closed ? What a joke you are mate .. You are defending a man who throws on Bendtner to tie the game up against a team that on any other given night would have been three up by half time .. Do you really think Wenger will master Mourinho, Guardiola , even Benitez when Arsenal face them in the knockout stages ? If you do JAYJAY - so stupid they named you twice - then you are STUPIDSTUPID

  126. Amos

    Nov 07, 2013, 11:01 #41413

    It was a great win but Wenger isn't doing much differently he's just doing it with different players. A good few he has nurtured over time, such as Gibbs, Ramsey, Wilshere, Walcott, Szczesny some he is currently nurturing Jenks, Gnabry, Ox, some he has picked up from the undervalued department, Kos, Cazorla, Flamini, Giroud, some he has kept faith with Rosicky, Sagna and others that came as part of a spending spree that started well before the purchase of Ozil last summer. In fact since Kroenke took control we have spent more in the 5 transfer windows since than the combined outlay of the previous 16. All has been part of a process that has been going on for some time but not always appreciated by some supporters who have at times displayed the 'mental fragility' they often accused the team and club officials of. Of course it is still very early and our nascent success has plenty of time yet in which to come undone at which point we can expect those for whom the policies of Spurs and Liverpool have for some inexplicable reason always seemed to promise more success than we have achieved even during this current 'barren' spell to bang that same drum. Just maybe the club have been more right than wrong all along though - even if we do end up trophyless for another season.

  127. 1975

    Nov 07, 2013, 10:58 #41412

    Great result. Reminded me of the performances George grahams team put in on the run towards winning the cup winners cup. Gritty but more skilled. We now have a chance. But it could be a tight group to the last. If napoli can get a draw at Dortmund and we beat Marseille we are through. Above all we can take confidence from last night and believe that we can beat utd. Now that would be give us 3 fantastic results on the trot. Those players would then stand tall. We then can face the Decemberschedule with purpose and end the year strongly.

  128. Gudo

    Nov 07, 2013, 10:48 #41411

    No comment from Babatunde?

  129. Gaz

    Nov 07, 2013, 10:38 #41410

    Always felt there were mitigating circumstances surrounding the win in Munich which is why I never held it in as such high regard as others. What I will say though is that theres now no doubting it was the catylyst for change both at management and playing level and certainly laid the foundations for a run culminating in a quite brilliant victory last night. Make no mistake-last night was a performance of epic proportions which is quite rightly getting the plaudits it deserves. For me the most satisfying aspect of it was seeing us very much play with our heads once we'd gone in front and the way we played out the final few nervous minutes was great to see. I still think Wenger has everything to prove but like most of us who've been critical of him its both refreshing and damn good to see him making a fist of trying to at least prove us wrong. Personally I still dont think we've seen the best of Ozil and theres surely a lot more to come from him. What can't be denied though is that his signing changed the whole culture at the Club and whilst his influence on the pitch is yet to be fully exploited his role off it has simply been immense. Roll on Sunday...

  130. Adam

    Nov 07, 2013, 10:38 #41409

    Little bit down beat. It's like your a neutral. Arseblog is so much better than this website. All moaners and it's boring to read.

  131. Paul Adams

    Nov 07, 2013, 10:19 #41408

    You won't beat the Spuds,they've spent 95 mill. You won't beat Scouse, they've got Suarez & Sturridge, & you definitely won't beat Dortmund, they are supreme at home!! All written by the Media Morons that we all detest, keep up your biased predictions, while we keep winning. Come-on-you-Reds!

  132. Man United Killer

    Nov 07, 2013, 10:08 #41407

    @Savage I am so happy for Sp*urs for signing Soldado. His conversion rate 0.000001%. I would like to personally say well done!!!

  133. Peter Hughes

    Nov 07, 2013, 10:01 #41406

    I think any sport is a combination of skill & luck. We put in a solid defensive performance which is what many have complained we cannot do & was true in recent seasons. We ran down the clock took the ball to their corner flag & took the sting out of the last 25 minutes. We rode the storm then could have scored a couple more. Dortmund were knackered before the end resorting to route one balls. Bould's influence apparent with keeping a strong line & stepping up as one to catch them offside. This prevented us being put under too much pressure & then collapsing as in recent seasons.Of course having a strong midfield protecting the back also played its part. Make no mistake how huge this win was just like the good old days.

  134. chris dee

    Nov 07, 2013, 9:56 #41405

    There are wins,there are good wins and there are heavyweight wins.Last night was heavyweight. But I've got a bone to pick with Arsene.If he had set his teams out like he did last night in a few of the important games over the last few years we would not now be bemoaning 8 trophyless years.The fans demand a trophy this year and Arsene deserves one,let's hope everyone is happy by next May cause it's bloody long season but we've made an impressive start.But it is only a start.

  135. BADARSE

    Nov 07, 2013, 9:47 #41404

    @westlower love those lyrics, keep singing the song buddy, just a bit louder please, ha ha Just want to say one name to you, 'Mertesacker'. @maguiresbridge, morning pal. Didn't get chance to finish our chat properly as page changed with a new article and I was away from my computer. I detest internationals. I bought into the England thing a long way back, then my perception changed. I found I wasn't comfortable with the company I was keeping, or the mind sets of many 'fans'. Just veiled jingoism, dressed up as patriotic fervour. Avoid nationalism like the plague! It has served it's purpose and has outlived any benefits beyond keeping the fat cats in cream, (I include advertisers, sponsors, TV companies et al). Good Old Arsenal.

  136. Mike59

    Nov 07, 2013, 9:37 #41403

    @Westflower, you called it a while ago mate, going out of the C0C is a blessing. The remaining big sides avoiding each other and facing the prospect of 2-leg semis at a busy time will benefit us. Good result at OT sends us into the international break in great shape.

  137. Westlower

    Nov 07, 2013, 9:35 #41402

    If it wasn't for good luck,we wouldn't have any luck at all.

  138. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 07, 2013, 9:32 #41401

    Kevin - Thanks, good report. My only comeback is that I think you're being a little harsh on Arteta. He had a tough job on his hands last night,and dealt with it superbly in my view. I wasn't worried that he was going to get a red - he's a lot more sensible and professional than others who have played that role, e.g. Song and PV to be honest. The team fought like tigers again, and Mertesacker was Adams-like at the back. JayJay - I disagree. This run feels to me to be more down to the players than any significant changes from Arsene.

  139. BADARSE

    Nov 07, 2013, 9:24 #41400

    @Website Editor. Yes I realise that, as my 'literary-speak' observation suggested. Thanks for connecting, it gives me a chance to again say thank you. 'We' all hope the next report is in a similar vein, fingers crossed.

  140. Savage

    Nov 07, 2013, 9:20 #41399

    A distinct feature of this new Arsenal team is that they have a very high chance conversion rate. They don't create a lot of chances, but put a large number away. I'd like to see Ramsey's conversion rate right now - Henry was scoring at about 40% in his hey-day. BBC showed Spurs conversion rate recently - most shots in the league (133), worst conversion rate (6%).

  141. Bard

    Nov 07, 2013, 9:11 #41398

    Terrific unexpected result. Gritty performance. Thought the Mertersacker was excellent. Spank the Manure on Sunday and we will really be in with a tilt at the title

  142. Clive the Gooner

    Nov 07, 2013, 9:07 #41397

    Fantastic battling team performance. The goal came at just the right time and Ramsey was unlucky not to get a second moments later. Let's keep it going for the Mancs on Sunday.

  143. Website Editor

    Nov 07, 2013, 9:04 #41396

    @BADARSE - When writing a piece on an Arsenal game, I try to avoid 'we' when talking about Arsenal, or 'us'/'my team' etc. It's just journalistic habit, as I always attempt to be objective, although some in the comments will tell you different!

  144. Westlower

    Nov 07, 2013, 9:01 #41395

    If we beat Marseille and draw in Napoli we top the Group. No Europa Cup on Thursdays & out of LC, clear top in PL, players returning. What's not to like?

  145. Tony Evans

    Nov 07, 2013, 9:01 #41394

    BADARSE - I agree the time for positive thinking has come, starting with Manure on Sunday!

  146. CanadaGooner

    Nov 07, 2013, 8:52 #41393

    Awesome result for sure. We repaid Dortmund in similar fashion to what they did to us at home: so, all square. Great energy and belief going into Sunday's game. Not much more to say than that. Nothing's been won yet, let's carry on enjoying each win.

  147. BADARSE

    Nov 07, 2013, 8:30 #41391

    Tony Evans, just my approach, and we are all different, so it doesn't necessarily work for others, but I take a longer view of events. Ironic as the clock ticks down for me and time becomes an increasingly valuable commodity. Actually it's value hasn't changed, just my perception of it, and that is the key, perception! I foresee a glowing future ahead. It may be a false dawn, but it looks like the sun is about to rise and bathe us all in wonderful red and white light. Expect some clouds to drift across the golden orb from time to time though. Whatever happens in January, this season, I am looking ahead. Our club has always been the 'best', and I believe it is a time for us to be positive and hopeful. As I said, it works for me. I am happy for us all this morning.

  148. Tony Evans

    Nov 07, 2013, 8:20 #41390

    Fantastic result which has made me more confused than ever. Balanced against my natural scepticism with Wenger after so many years of failure we are at last seeing a team that does look like it has what it takes. I think a decent signing or two in January and we might just stuff the pundits doubting words back down their throats.

  149. BADARSE

    Nov 07, 2013, 8:14 #41389

    Thanks Kevin. Am in danger of repeating myself but once more I say, good to read a positive report with Arsenal winning, and that isn't a dig against you, just how things are turning out with alarming consistency. Now there's a word! Just a small tongue in cheek offering, though I understand it is literary-speak, 'Wenger's team', are actually 'your team'. Well done Gooner, and thanks again.

  150. JayJay

    Nov 07, 2013, 8:12 #41388

    "WengerOut" subject is closed.