Smooth Passage

Online Ed: Arsenal through to last 16 by beating Coventry



Smooth Passage


It was a relatively strong line-up that took the field for Arsenal against League One side Coventry. On one level, the inclusion of the likes of Wilshere, Ozil and the central defensive partnership relatively soon before the away game v Southampton indicated the manager was taking the competition more seriously than in recent seasons, and yet, maybe it actually betrayed a lack of squad depth. Would any of the quartet have played if there were other credible back up options?

One player who did get a chance to prove a point, against lower league opposition was Nicklas Bendtner. That he was substituted kind of sums it all up. There can be no illusions now that, in the event of Giroud’s injury, the not so Great Dane can be relied upon. Given the quality of the players he was facing, he had a poor game. There is a week remaining of the transfer window to rectify this glaring deficiency. To add to the ignominy, Giroud scored within minutes of entering the fray.

Although Arsenal dominated the opening 45 minutes, Coventry did have a very decent chance to make the game more interesting, forcing Fabianski into a good one handed save after Mertesacker had been made to look a bit of a mug. Podolski’s two goals confirmed his ability to put the ball into the net when given the opportunity, and given this, it is a wonder he does not start more matches. Is there some issue with the manager? Gnabry has been picked above him lately, presumably on the basis that the manager does not think Podolski or Cazorla can do a job on the right side of the attack.

Anyway, aside from the Fabianski save, it was a comfortable, if rain sodden 45 minutes. Arsenal rarely needed to get out of first gear. The visitors gave it a bit more of a go in the second half and certainly created a few decent chances, but poor finishing let them down. One might be alarmed at the ease with which, at times, the Arsenal defence was exposed, but here were a group of players that were not really switched on, playing at the level of a training session. It was energy preservation stuff, which was fair enough as long as the two goal margin was in place.

There was a fine comedic moment towards the end of the first half when there was partial floodlight failure and the crowd turned on their phone torches to illuminate the stadium. It felt like a Take That concert or similar.

A good number of the crowd left ahead of time, with the game looking settled, but missed two late goals as a consequence. The culture of leaving early is now set in stone and tarnishes the concluding moments of most games these days. Football has changed so much. Late arrivals for evening matches have always been a phenomenon, although if people acted as if the kick off was at 7.30 instead, there would be less of it. There is a card display planned for the Bayern Munich game that will be a damp squib if fans turn up at the normal time. We will be regularly reminding attendees to get there early for that one.

Performance wise, few really stood out because no-one played in a really committed fashion. It’s excusable. Cup games are about making sure you are in the hat for the next round. Wilshere perhaps showed a bit more spike than others. Difficult to make any conclusions about Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain’s suitability for a deep midfield role based on this performance, because he was not really tested. At times, you wondered if Ozil was on the field, although you could have said that about Dennis Bergkamp in a large number of games. With this kind of player, it is about key moments of quality that make a difference, and Ozil’s pass to set up the opening goal was one such.

So we can all have a relaxing weekend now and wait for the draw for the last 16. If Arsenal can avoid the teams around them at the top of the table, they have a great chance in this competition. Certainly, the significance of a trophy win should not be underestimated. Manchester City won the FA Cup the season before they won the Premier League. That is not to discount the Gunners’ chances in the league itself, but those two sets of fixtures in February and March where the difficult matches come thick and fast look ominous. Will Arsène Wenger strengthen the chances of negotiating those by buying before the month is out? Life, they say, is full of surprises.

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  1. Finsbury Joe

    Jan 29, 2014, 8:56 #44794

    I watched the game with a few Spurs mates of mine at the annual meeting for cross-dressers and thought Arsenal were lucky.

  2. MarkH

    Jan 28, 2014, 13:00 #44774

    I am all for freedom of speech. But I wish Finsbury Joe would just shut his stupid fat mouth, and sod off up the Lane.

  3. jeff wright

    Jan 28, 2014, 11:26 #44773

    We should be able to beat Saints tonight - they are the type of opponents who play at a level that Wenger regularly beats like an old carpet ,the stats say so!

  4. Ron

    Jan 28, 2014, 10:31 #44771

    Morning guys - Westie. I think its only you that keeps him (FJ) here mate! Everyone else seems to ignore him. Do what you should do with that SKY subscription of yours and 'talksh-te' radio and swtich them off! In the case of the former, end your subs to em. You ll be amazed how liberated you ll feel after no more than a few hours.

  5. Radfordkennedy

    Jan 28, 2014, 9:59 #44770

    Morning all....Cant help feeling this could be a draw tonight,i dont know if its the tempting odds on a draw thats playing tricks with me or not,also i really find it an unpleasent experience when the great unwashed from N17 are up against our nearest rival,but city dropping points is an absolute must

  6. Westlower

    Jan 28, 2014, 9:29 #44767

    @Badarse, It's very flattering that supporters from other clubs indulge themselves on an Arsenal site. Love or hate AFC, everybody seems to have an opinion about us. Tells me we must be doing something right to agitate so many 'neutral' observers. Stan Collymore was doubting our credentials on Talksport last night. Nobody but nobody is talking up AFC, mainly because all media efforts are focused on promoting Davy & the nations favourite team to coming storming up the league and regain their 'rightful' status as Champions. The subject then turned to famous #10's in the game, some 'expert' then preceded with Best, Cantona & Robson,two of whom never wore the #10 shirt, It was at that point I changed channels. Man U brainwashing is alive and well in our media, never mind Hull Tigers, how about MANSKY UNITED? Shamefully, I previously forgot to list Brady, Rix, Wilson & Rice in my list of AFC hero's but there are so many candidates my brain goes into overload. Sorry to hear you're suffering from premenstrual tension before tonight's game but we go there in good shape with only JW a doubt so hopefully we'll get the desired win. A draw isn't terminal but a win is better. Man City's two games this week will ask them a big question.

  7. BADARSE

    Jan 28, 2014, 8:34 #44765

    Morning westlower. Sometimes, even allowing for the lilywhite credentials of Finsbury Joe and Danny, it seems a little like the Alamo on this site. To an outsider, with a limited knowledge of football they would perhaps think we were entrenched in open warfare on occasions. It's crazy! Of course the stock riposte would be that unless you whinge and criticise you are not a fully paid up member of the human race, let alone an Arsenal supporter. That's why a discussion on real aspects, rather than vague and speculative angry exchanges wins every time for me. I keep getting sucked in, then shy away from a response, very occasionally one slips through and I immediately regret it. It's the ying and yang of being BADARSE. On to real matters. We have all spoken on future tricky matches and the points raised and views taken are all valid. My big game is tonight. These games sneak in under the radar if we find ourselves taking our collective eyes off the ball. True those big crunch games are vital to consider but the old adage of taking each game as it comes is imperative. Tonight's game is a tough test and will ink in a few blank spaces of uncertainty. I am already feeling the pre-match nerves. Any sort of a victory will give me and more specifically the lads the biggest boost imaginable at this stage of the season. We can lay down a marker. A lone Pod winner will send me to bed with my Horlicks, a very happy Gooner. How is the game registering for you guys out there?

  8. Westlower

    Jan 28, 2014, 7:57 #44764

    @Finsbury Joe, I'd offer you one of my Woodbine's but judging by the schoolboy thoughts that flow from your Lilywhite brain, I just don't think you're old enough to smoke. "Top 6 or 7 keep winning," Liverpool v Everton, Spurs v Man C & Man C v Chelsea," at least 3 of them won't be winning this week - bang goes your latest theory? Don't forget to take an apple for teacher.

  9. Finsbury Joe

    Jan 28, 2014, 0:12 #44762

    Beware the Ides of March, or for that matter, any other day in February or March, as that is the time this team lacking in squad depth and managerial tactical nous are going to have a very rude awakening. Chelsea and Man City will soon be out of reach, but wenger should be watching his back very closely, failure to strengthen and the clubs currently below arsenal could pounce. The top six or seven keep winning, when Arsenal stop winning, it will not be pretty. And when that happens , only one man to blame.....he can explain that and a lack of new signings to the new sponsors who are paying a fortune for a track record of failure, for reasons best known to themselves. It is all very depressing and demoralising for true Gooners, yet the AKBs maintain a state of ecstatic delerium, wish I could have what they were smoking.

  10. BADARSE

    Jan 27, 2014, 21:14 #44759

    Ron and westlower, just read your posts, interesting gentlemen. The game with Sammy's 40 yarder was one we all attended, I saw it from the West Lower and was in a direct line of the ball's flight into the Clock End goal. We must be three of the few surviving fans, ha ha. Just want to say this specifically to Ron, though westlower has a vested interest in my words. A shop steward I met on an Industrial Relations course owned to being an Arsenal fan. We hit it off instinctively and went to many games together especially in the Double year of '71. He got stick perpetually from his bro in law and two nephews who were all footballers and QPR fans, now that's an oxymoron for you! He had become an AFC fan and perhaps they saw it as an act of betrayal. As he hadn't played the game they trivialised much of what he said until I came onto the scene. Having played, and echoing many of his views it added credence to his words; at last he had a voice. I shan't be melodramatic fellas but I learned more from him than any other Arsenal fan to date, though am learning a lot from you two. He was a 'Jesus' figure in that his vocabulary and education was of a general to low standard, but his ability to paint pictures in sound, to give examples and parables was amazing. I lost a great friend, and Arsenal a magnificent fan when he died. Just thought you two old cronies would like to hear that little tale.

  11. Westlower

    Jan 27, 2014, 19:20 #44757

    @Ron, I've got nothing against Robbie Savage except to say along with Nobby Styles he was one of the worst players I ever saw. Substitute Tony Gale for RS as he used to annoy me with his criticism of BFG. I was also at Highbury the day you lost your virginity. The Sammels goal was one of the best ever scored there. We're going over old ground with our differing views on players needing rest time versus flogging them into submission. It was different in the old days as most of them carried knocks & hangovers. Due to the paddy fields during the winter months, many goals came from long punted balls or high crosses delivered from the thin strip of grass on the wings. The centre forwards were built like brick outhouses, brawn over brain. Nat Lofthouse types who specialised in smacking the GK into the back of the net. It's quite enlightening looking back at some old video's and the bad state of pitches. Any skill was rendered useless under atrocious conditions. Remember the photo of a mud splattered Bobby Gould at Wembley? Chalk & cheese compared to football today being played by technically gifted, finely tuned athletes.

  12. Ron

    Jan 27, 2014, 18:55 #44756

    Westie - Hi mate. Liverpools lack of euro football should give them a bit of an advantage, ill give you that one. Im not saying playing gives good judgment, all im just saying that it informs the mentality about playing a lot and often with knocks and strains. Having said that, i don't think Savage speaks as much rubbish as people like to say he does. He has an annoying accent, doesn't always express himself as well as he might and he carries himself a bit arrogantly (for an afghan hound!) and he gets slated a little unfairly at times i feel. Just my view of him though, i accept others think he s a nob. Lets face it, if he is really a punditry buffoon he s not alone is he!!

  13. Westlower

    Jan 27, 2014, 18:13 #44754

    @Ron , I've backed AFC to win me a substantial sum of money should they win the FA Cup. The worst possible outcome is a replay as that really would nuts us up. I'd take losing over a replay given the effect it would have on our league programme. The team selection problem is not confined to AFC as both Chelsea & Man City will be rotating players. I suspect whichever manager loses the Man C v Chelsea tie won't cry too many tears on being eliminated. Liverpool are in the fortunate position of only having the FA Cup to go for. It's misguided to believe you have to play football at a decent level to have good judgement? I give you Robbie Savage! I've never ridden a racehorse but my judgement of them provides me with an annual income.

  14. AugustusCaesar

    Jan 27, 2014, 18:09 #44753

    Don't understand the point about squad depth at all. We have two options for each position, just like every other team. We have a few injuries in central midfield, hence not being able to rotate in that position. And I thought we wanted the manager to pick a strong team in this competition anyway. We've been imploring him to take the competition seriously and as soon as he picks a strong team you imply there should be more rotation. But you know, if you'd prefer another Blackburn debacle then up to you. Damned if you do etc. Utterly beggars belief!

  15. BADARSE

    Jan 27, 2014, 17:42 #44751

    Bard welcome to planet earth then. If Arsenal win the title you will not have been talking rubbish. Your view must remain the same surely? Arsene Wenger has failed to do what you thought necessary that's all. Same with me, sometimes he doesn't do what I want. You support Arsenal they don't win the title you should be disappointed, being angry is futile and unhealthy. If we win however, I expect you to celebrate with the rest of us. We don't win very often in life so celebrating any success is powerful medicine. I hope you are happy in May, it means we all will be. Steer clear of Danny/Finsbury Joe buddy.

  16. Ron

    Jan 27, 2014, 17:25 #44750

    Westie - Why ask a question where we all know your own preferred answer? My answer is that we absolutely do NOT field a weak team v Liverpool. Players might have a lot of games, but once games get bigger and more meaningful, they want to play. Your take on fixtures and their meaning to players is (with respect) the view of someone i suspect who hasnt played to any level. Moreover, the FAC is more than likely Asenals best chance of a pot. Plus, do you really want to see the team hammered out of sight by Liverpool or if you dont care if that happens, have you never considered the effects of that on other fixtures? Its Liverpool for heavens sake. An Arsenal coach doesnt f--k about with weakened teams v such an opponent, even if said coach has delusions about the CL as Wenger does.

  17. Bard

    Jan 27, 2014, 17:25 #44749

    Badarse: I inhabit the universe that doesnt accept mediocrity or the blather our beloved boss spouts. He's paid a fortune to win us trophies and in the distant past he had some success and been good for the club but he's been treading water for a number of years. It my view and I accept it's only my view is that the malaise at the club is down to this collective acceptance of 4th as symbolic of the limit of our ambition. My previous point was that if he were to show more ambition and ruthlessness he would have my backing but to date I don't see it. But you know what if he wins the title I will have been talking b******s.

  18. Westlower

    Jan 27, 2014, 16:55 #44748

    Man City have to play at Old Trafford on Tuesday 25th March before the weekend game at the Emirates. Every little helps!

  19. Danny

    Jan 27, 2014, 16:19 #44745

    Bard - very good comments. Westlower is a AKB, and has nothing better to say when someone disagrees with what this coach does These games are critical and history shows this coach cannot compete with better tacticians and will fail We are at a stage where we need firepower and he sits in the plush office doing what does. He is inactive coach and is drooling over his new contract. what a reward for a coach that is living in past glory's. Has a week to define this season. Spend the money idiot!

  20. BADARSE

    Jan 27, 2014, 15:42 #44740

    Bard you are mistaken. You have defined the debates as those against/those for Arsene Wenger. Secondly those who have ambition and those who accept mediocrity. Both views are two dimensional and loaded statements. As I am a supporter of Arsene Wenger for all the right reasons I supposedly am in conflict? Not a jot. I ignore and dismiss the clamour around me. On occasions I have protested at an unjust assessment but to be honest even that is somewhat tiresome. I still reserve the right to contest whenever though. As for the second part of your understanding it is drawn in too thick a brush stroke. You conveniently assume that if those among us don't follow the band, banging a big drum they have no ambition. Which universe do you inhabit?

  21. Westlower

    Jan 27, 2014, 14:32 #44736

    Gervinho again the star man for Roma in their 3-1 victory, scoring one and making one. Come back son, all is forgiven! Given our fixture dilemma do we play the reserves against Liverpool in the FA Cup?

  22. jeff wright

    Jan 27, 2014, 13:57 #44733

    Aslace Lorraine de Totteridge , Wenger will never settle for scoring goals like you suggest , and will continue to employ players such as Giroud and Big dim Bendy to try and fit in to his tika - taka type tactical passing play .

  23. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 27, 2014, 13:24 #44728

    As Westlower says fancy letting a spud do the draw with father spud as well they must have been hard up, at least he wasn't going to draw his own club out tee hee, now that really would have changed all our minds about conspiracies. Good quip from BADSRSE also.

  24. Bard

    Jan 27, 2014, 13:23 #44727

    Westie: I didn't realise, thanks for that. Quite why anyone would want to post on another teams website is beyond me. Alsace re Bendtner fair enough we will just have to agree to disagree on that one. I don't dislike him, in my opinion he's just not good enough: he's done himself no favours with the garbage he's spouted over the years.

  25. Westlower

    Jan 27, 2014, 12:55 #44725

    Revealing stats on Podolski. Played 50 games for AFC, started 37, subbed 33, brought off bench 13, goals 21. Pretty impressive strike rate considering he's only completed 90 minutes on 4 occasions. @Bard, I always reference Spurs when I respond to Danny's posts, as he's a fully paid up 100% Lilywhite.

  26. Aslace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Jan 27, 2014, 12:52 #44724

    Bard, Westower, Malbottom and other gents, Re Bendtner. We are in a funny position. This guy has scored many international goals against top opposition. That's just a fact. He has scored many vital goals for us winning us lots of points. He got us out of jail the other day. All facts. Does he look like a carthorse with stupid haircut at the moment, yes he does. Is he, along with Podolski all that is available to us if Giroud goes sick ? Yes he is. I happen to like the guy but that isn't the point. He can and does get into dangerous heading positions and he can finish with his nut. I would stick him on a pitch at colney every afternoon with Jenkinson and Nacho and I would run plays like the Yanks do, with Martin Keown coaching and Vermalen defending. We need 10 goals on the run in from somewhere and we need to get them wherever we can. It's an option and we ought to do it.

  27. jeff wright

    Jan 27, 2014, 12:42 #44723

    Our own AKB phenomenon, an odd sort of almost quasi -religious thing ,with Wenger as the messiah, is a typical symptom of modern football Ron, where many things other than footballing ones, such as perceived moral virtues that are not possessed by other managers ,or so called long-term business plans and youth projects replace the traditional values that were used to judge other managers by. Such as winning trophies . No doubt the Puma kit deal will set some pulses racing even though with all of the new money pouring in Stan still found it expedient to hike up ticket-prices . Well as Ivan might say you can never be too cost effective and best make hay while the sun-shines and all of that non?

  28. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jan 27, 2014, 12:26 #44721

    re: O'Leary and Pires, this was in the League Game at Elland Road in November 2000. Bobby had a wierd kind of a beard growing, thin all the way along the chin, and O'Leary obviously thought it worth commenting on. They had just beaten us 1-0, somewhat fortunately with a deflected free-kick, and Sylv hit the post with Robinson well beaten. We had 7 bookings that day which gives you some indication of the type of game.

  29. Ron

    Jan 27, 2014, 12:21 #44719

    I honestly feel that with Arsenal and Chelsea fans in particular amongst London Clubs, theres such a high propertion now that go to home games to sate their wierd need to be seen to be doing it, rather than because theyve developed a genuine bond and attachment to the Club. So many these days define themselves by how they think others percieve them. Sad blighters. This is why you get their politics, religion and even now, sexuality dragged into attending bloody football matches ffs! Its all diluted football for me. The game was once an escape from that junk.This non celebration garbage is just an extension of the same misguided approach to what those who do it, think should be part of football behaviour.

  30. jeff wright

    Jan 27, 2014, 11:58 #44718

    Hi Ron, as I recall it O'Leary, a man with a face like a ventriloquists wooden dummy, was very money motivated and theoff-sore club had to go to great lengths to keep him on board,even engaging at one time in a tax-dodging scam on his behalf . So he was never really the die-hard gunner that many saw him as being. He was a good defender though and at the end of the day it's how players performed - and what they achieved for us - that should count rather than what their personalties /politics or (yawn) religion were. In fact I would prefer it if they left their political and religious views in the dressing room before they come out to play football.Same with supporters keeping these things out of the game - which has already been ruined enough anyway by the business suits corporate types who now infest it .

  31. Bard

    Jan 27, 2014, 11:46 #44716

    Danny: I go along with that,: the moment of reckoning is almost upon us. The season defined in two and bit short weeks. It's possible we will emerge triumphant but unlikely. My best hope is that any damage inflicted on us will be partial and not terminal. Brace yourself for the 'we was robbed' defence. Westie I don't understand your continual reference to the Spuds. Comparing us to them is an irrelevance, they are not in our league. The comparisons you should be alluding to are Citeh, Chelsea and Untd. Its like saying we're doing better than Chrystal Palace so be grateful. I 've come to the conclusion that these debates are not really about for or against Wenger but between those with ambition and those who willingly accept mediocrity. All of us are pleased we're in with a shout but the hardest part is actually winning something and I for one get fed up with us constantly handicapping ourselves by not going the extra mile.

  32. Ron

    Jan 27, 2014, 11:31 #44713

    O Leary gave sterling years to Arsenal but i doubt he was a fan. He was well enthusiastic n those days at Leeds, so his celeb shdt bother anybody should it? Who gives a f--? Arsenal were just his employer, who he saw fit to stick with. Its as Jeff says, all of this 'i wont celebrate v old clubs' is all tosh. Its questionable whos genuine of which i doubt there are many. Its PC gone mad although with some fans and some players (im thinking of the Adebayor thing in 2009)if Clubs are telling players not to do it for fear of incitemet its parhaps understandable. PS The leaving early thing - Its a demonstartion of the lack of passion in football now i guess. If the games were more full blooded, it wdt happen so much im sure, but not many are in truth.

  33. jeff wright

    Jan 27, 2014, 11:07 #44711

    Chris Dee, I suppose from a professional point of view O’Dreary’s mad OTT celebes after Leeds beat us is what you would want from a manager showing 100% commitment to your own cause Same with players playing against their old clubs ,you want a Super-Mac v Newcastle type attitude from them not some soap-opera type sentimental old tosh. Supporters are as bad though I can recall Ramsey getting stick from the Cardiff ones when he had a mare in a cup game against them on his first return to the Welsh club and had to be subbed by Wenger , much to the Welsh supporters delight. Fast forward to earlier this season though and the same morons were engaging in a bizarre embarrassing love in with ‘Rambo’ who at that time was flavour of the month after his recent shock football heroics and was now a Welsh hero ! . Most of this supposed sadness at scoring against former clubs by ex-players is phoney anyway, does Berbatov really feel sad when he scores against spuds? If Mata , the latest footballer engaging in a love-in with ex-supporters by writing them a letter , scores against United I doubt that he will be really upset , although he will of course pretend that he is by pushing away ecstatic United players … no please I can‘t bear to celebrate sob … sob… At least with O’Dreary type celebs we get to see the real person , unpleasant though it was , that lay behind the perceived by many football facade and this is not usually the case.

  34. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jan 27, 2014, 10:23 #44709

    I see, Badarse. So you know me 'well enough' by a few lines I post here and there. By contrast, though you are using the same method (and posting considerably more), I 'don't know', have 'no idea' about you at all. That in itself is quite a revealing belief.

  35. chris dee

    Jan 27, 2014, 9:41 #44708

    David O'Leary? Never seen an ex Arsenal player so happy that he had beaten his old club and knocked them out of the race for the Premiership.His frenzied, prolonged over the top, fist pumping celebrations after Leeds had beaten us 1-0 were shocking to me to see as an Arsenal supporter who always considered him an 'Arsenal' man. I could never have seen Geordie Armstrong ,a real 'Arsenal man' doing anything so ****ty.

  36. BADARSE

    Jan 27, 2014, 8:25 #44705

    SGRB your question did not seem rhetorical. You clearly intimated that if people attend not willing or able to see a full game they should give their ticket to another, that is silly! If it was a 'throwaway line, fine but on a posting site it often is misinterpreted. I have never once made an allusion to you, your character, or your consistency. You by contrast do it often. That is why I said that you don't know me. I know you well enough as your responses give you away. Due perhaps to my softly, softly approach I seem to invite sweeping assumptions, and held to be inconsistent. You should pay regard to that.

  37. Westlower

    Jan 27, 2014, 7:21 #44704

    @Danny, Who are the Spuds playing in the 5th round of the FA Cup? Who are the Spuds playing in the Champion League? PL top 4 still a dream for the boy's from the Lane. Enjoy your Thursday night football, that's your level.

  38. Danny

    Jan 27, 2014, 0:46 #44702

    Feb 8 Liverpool (A); Feb 12 Man U (h); Feb 15 Liverpool (H) Feb 19 Bayern (H) Well these are the games we will see how Wenger fairs up with these clubs. Tactics and team selection will kill him as he sucks at it! No chance in Hell of wining any...

  39. Gare K

    Jan 26, 2014, 22:25 #44701

    Well, well, well, the fantastic board at The Arsenal (according to the Wenger apologists) will no doubt be delighted at another home FA Cup tie which goes without saying means us ST holders will now have to pay extra for Bayern Munchen (and possibly more cup games this season) if we wanted to. Ah, and the Wenger apologists will still claim ‘we have no money’. How pathetic that you have Gooners who have defended the imminent price hikes but don’t actually go to games themselves because they have been priced out or are just happy watching games from their comfortable armchairs. Idiots. Oh, I’ll pay because I love the club even if I don’t have any love at all for Kroenke, Gazidis and all the other tosspots running the club because of their desire to put profit first and football second. To those who will defend the board to the hilt and are not platinum members, y’all do realise in the eyes of the board you’re all second class citizens to them? Still, I do actually think we will get past Liverpool and who knows what will happen in the FA Cup. Happy days. Up The Arsenal!

  40. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jan 26, 2014, 22:22 #44700

    And you don't know me, Badarse, otherwise you wouldn't be interpreting my remarks as suggesting draconian measures are enforced. The second comment on this matter made that quite clear, so it seems quite a wilful interpretation on your part. It was an observation on those who by choice arrive in their seats late and leave early, not a demand to enact a policy - that would be rather a silly interpretation to make (also meant inoffensively of course). This also happens at half time, which I assume is nothing to do with having to travel to Cornwall and back.

  41. BADARSE

    Jan 26, 2014, 20:49 #44698

    You don't know me SGRB. You have no idea. Who wants to hold the gun? Not me. If you hold a gun for an injustice, whether real or imagined you would never put it down. An old Indian proverb says, 'He who rides a tiger can never dismount!' There are far worthier causes and more extreme examples of when it might be right to hold that gun. My observation is that no controlling bodies wish to grasp the nettle unless it's forced into their open hand, whether with the government, AFC, Starbucks or Mickey Mouse. In fact the Disney empire is amongst the worst offenders. Societies ills are too great for any one band to solve and everything is connected so to change the traffic lights causes tailbacks down the street, and the beat just goes on. People have little left, though submerged with 'things'. To suggest unreasonable or impossible to enforce draconian measures is silly. I go to an evening game and arrive home, trains permitting at 1.40am. I have never left early in 58 years, but though irritated like hell by the disruption caused would never hang someone out to dry if they did. They may need to, and if it's just plain inconsideration I blame societies demands and feebleness. Hope that explains. Sorry if silly seemed offensive, I use the expression to my grandchildren when they say daft things and I love them dearly.

  42. BADARSE

    Jan 26, 2014, 19:23 #44697

    Thought it was a lovely gesture by the FA in allowing Townsend to make the draw. How else would a young talent at WHL ever be involved in the 5th Round draw? Of course as a future England player-one of their own-they want to blood him in big competitions. What a laugh! Good enough draw, put them out, lose one of the two ugly sisters and we line up in a winnable Q/F. We shall see. Everton lose a key man for the season too. Bad luck on the kid, but it cannot harm Arsenal's chances.

  43. jeff wright

    Jan 26, 2014, 18:23 #44696

    It's the same old story Bard with Wenger he never strengthens our squad when in a promising position. As I recall it Reyes was the last time that he did so and we went on then to do the unbeaten and to win the league . He only buys in January now days when things are not going so well - as was the case when AA was brought in. I don't buy the theory that we don't need better than Giroud because our midfield players score goals either,because they don't score many against top sides and it is in these sort of games that having a top striker can win you the game. Seeing as how stats to prove this or that are put forth on here to try and prove points perhaps we can see some regarding just how any goals and games our midfield score against top opponents . I do know off the top of my head that we only won 2 points out of a possible 18 last season against the top three teams and that Giroud didn't do that well or our midfield either - and so far there is nothing to write home about this season either - some improvement in that area is obviously required. Liverpool who are out of Europe will play a full strength side in the cup so we won't get away with using Bendy against them .

  44. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jan 26, 2014, 18:20 #44695

    @Westlower, good to hear you're not quite that nutty. Think it's an excellent draw for AFC; as long as Wenger fields a strong line up we should feel confident of dispatching LFC at home. Then one of Chelsea or Man C are out. Obviously whichever of these teams goes through are favourites to win it, with us 2nd favourites (if through).

  45. Westlower

    Jan 26, 2014, 18:09 #44694

    @SGRB, I only put the FA conspiracy theory in as a windup as I'm sure it was a fair draw. Can't believe the bookies retain Man City as favourites to win the competition as they won't find it easy to score against Chelsea. AFC are 2nd best in the betting and should be favourites in my opinion.

  46. Bard

    Jan 26, 2014, 17:54 #44693

    Jeff Wright; completely agree. I understand all the arguments about the difficulties of making significant improvements in this window although it doesnt seem too much of a problem for Chelsea and Man U, I just cant believe the complacency. We have a great shot at the title and all we have up front is Giroud who as you say isnt exactly prolific and Wenger claims to be happy with the squad. Its my view that our challenge will fizzle away for the lack of a top striker . Its a great point that he would be busting a gut to sign someone if we were outside the top 4.

  47. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jan 26, 2014, 17:54 #44692

    Surely if the draw was fixed the FA would want all the top sides through to the latter stages to maximise interest in its competition. The draw rather suggests it isn't fixed, if anything.

  48. Westlower

    Jan 26, 2014, 17:48 #44691

    Feb 8 Liverpool (A); Feb 12 Man U (h); Feb 15/16 Liverpool (H). Yet another FA conspiracy to liven up their Cup competition by pitching the top 4 PL sides against each other. Fancy letting a Spud do the draw?

  49. Westlower

    Jan 26, 2014, 16:51 #44690

    @Bard As a replacement for Giroud he probably wouldn't be good enough but as temporary cover he can do a job. Whatever our opinions of Bendnter, AFC seem committed to Giroud and are not looking to replace him. The problem arises that no top International player will come in purely as cover for Giroud, especially in World Cup year. Turning the problem on it's head, Giroud probably wouldn't hang around as cover if a marquee striker was signed. As we only play with one dedicated front man the problem isn't as acute as some observers would have you believe. So long as we continue to get our other attacking players running beyond the lone front man (whoever he may be) we'll continue to score goals. Ramsey, Podolski, Wilshere, Rosicky, Cazorla, Ox, Gnabry, Ozil, Arteta are all capable of scoring. Even if Bendtner isn't scoring he's occupying the oppositions centre halves, especially at set pieces and creating spaces for others to run into.

  50. jeff wright

    Jan 26, 2014, 16:48 #44689

    Bendtner has shown when he has been given a run of games that he is not good enough to be a starting eleven player. If Giroud is for some reason out for awhile then Bendy would have to start games instead of coming on late to give the Frenchman a break; or as a last desperate toss of the dice as was with a late goal scored from a goalmouth scramble v Cardiff that did bring home the bacon . This sort of Bendy role is like sending up your GK for a corner at the last knockings , sometimes it works but mostly the ploy fails. Bendtner is useless when having to lead the line forb 90minutes in fact he is always subbed, whether fit or not. Wenger knows that Bendy is not good enough but due to his own inept dealings in the transfer market last summer he is stuck with the clown. Wenger's done well in beating the ordinary sides in the league over the past year and if you cobble the results and points together they look impressive. However,Wenger's record against the better sides has not improved and all the signs are that these sides are now just getting into their stride for the second half of the season for when the medals are won. Overall statistics mean nothing unless they result in something to show for them.Both City and Chelsea also have some good stats to boast about - so we are not in a club of one regarding statistical results. If Wenger does stick with Bendtner and Sanago for his back-up options to Giroud,who himself is hardly a prolific goal scorer anyway and rarely scores any goals against top opponents,then this exposes his claims to being ambitious as nothing but a sham. If we were in danger of not finishing in the top 4 Wenger would be out signing a player ,as iy is he feels safe from that danger.

  51. Bard

    Jan 26, 2014, 15:27 #44688

    Alsace, Westie; the whole point about the Bendtner debate is that we are in a scrap for the title at the moment and we need someone as a reliable alternative to Giroud. You suggest 'he needs a run of games'. which games might these be Bayern, Man C, Chelsea perhaps? He's had plenty of chances to make his mark and he hasnt done it. He's not good enough to play for a club with supposed ambition.

  52. Westlower

    Jan 26, 2014, 15:26 #44687

    Hoping for an easy draw in 5th round as I've just backed AFC to win the FA Cup at 9/2. Fingers crossed Chelsea get Man City and then have to go to a replay.

  53. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 26, 2014, 14:16 #44686

    BADARSE, not a problem mate everyone to his own, i've always liked him though and if i had to make a list of ten favorite players of bygone days he would probably be on it.

  54. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jan 26, 2014, 14:15 #44685

    Badarse, what seems 'silly' to me is paying those exorbitant ticket prices if you've no actual intention of watching the whole match. Of course circumstances can arise on the day that mean someone is forced to arrive late or leave early. But doing so deliberately and knowingly also impacts on the experience of those who do want to see the whole match. I'd also find it rather 'silly' to pay a full price ticket to watch half a match. And your view that the AFC establishment needs a gun held to its head seems to run counter to your usually more relaxed attitude where it's concerned.

  55. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 26, 2014, 14:03 #44684

    Gaz, i agree, but it already is a disaster of his own making, giving a cart horse such a contract that we couldn't get rid, or couldn't give away, and finding ourselves stuck with him, thankfully he's among the last of them still stinking the place out.

  56. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 26, 2014, 13:47 #44683

    WeAreBuilding, now that you mention it i do remember that, i'll not hold that against him to much though i think it might have been the same game where he blew the kisses at Pires i'm not to sure what that was about though it might have been something to do with hard tackles and Pires complaining and DOL letting him know he was a nice boy.

  57. BADARSE

    Jan 26, 2014, 13:40 #44682

    Brave yourself westlower, though you know I stand shoulder to shoulder with you on many things. This view I certainly endorse.

  58. Westlower

    Jan 26, 2014, 13:28 #44681

    @Alsace, Brave of you to put up a defence of Bendtner as it's the fashionable thing to criticise his every move. He needs a run of games to build up his match sharpness & confidence. He's more likely to perform better in away games where the support is more tolerant. The fact that his goal scoring for AFC is on a par with Charlie George's shows the ability is there.

  59. BADARSE

    Jan 26, 2014, 13:27 #44680

    Alsace, interesting comment about both Bendtner and Carl. A few of the lads tapped into the need for a wide crosser of the ball recently. My choice then as now would be Nacho in front of Kieran, however your suggestion also has merit to me. The comments about the traffic is typical of England (UK), who was dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.In my opinion unless a gun is put at the heads of any establishment, AFC included, not much happens. So much could be done, invariably little is. I've seen the suggestion that if someone only comes for less than 90 minutes they should give their ticket to someone else. How silly is that? People are people and if I had a chance of watching Arsenal for half a game I'd grab it with both hands. It's hardly realistic that I should decline the offer and begin searching for someone else to go in my stead on the understanding that they would have to stand oath to watching the whole 90, or they don't get the ticket. Real world, 2014, warts and all of a chronic attitude of society, over population and just about every amenity and facility under strain, slowly becoming stress level. Comfort yourself in the knowledge that it will only get worse; the ensuing generations have one hell of an inheritance we've bestowed.

  60. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Jan 26, 2014, 12:32 #44679

    This one had all the (beneficial) trappings of a Cup match between very unequal opposition. I was pleased to see the game taken seriously by OGL, and as a consequence we won without breaking sweat. Another win, another clean sheet. All good. The match was a good natured affair as between the fans and a pleasant Friday night out. I don't like people leaving early because it's a stupid thing to do, but the transport arrangements at the end of the game are still truly dreadful, and we should be making a nuisance of ourselves so that the Club with make a nuisance of themselves to transport for london, who pocketed Arsenal's S 106 cash to renovate Holloway Road and did nothing. Our ground is surrounded by railway lines and yet the new facility doesn't have a station. Rather than spending their time working out new ways to make the food available for ordinary stadium dwellers worse and more expensive and scr*wing us for higher ticket prices perhaps the commercial dept could devote their efforts to doing something about transport. If fans could get away easily and quickly, then maybe they wouldn't leave early. As to Bendtner, laugh at him if you like, but the fact is that he has rescued our sorry tippy tappy ars*s in the last few minutes more times than I can count. He did it the other day in case no one noticed. Carl Jenkinson can cross the ball really well. Might we consider playing him on the right wing while Theo is absent? Bendtner should be told to get on the end of his crosses, which is something that he is capable of doing. V pleased to see the old Steve Bould header at the near post ploy working with our excellent krauts.

  61. Moscow Gooner

    Jan 26, 2014, 11:08 #44678

    I really don't understand why Park isn't being given a chance now and then to show what he can do. What's the point of hanging on to him if we never play him? Admittedly this season we've hardly been comfortable enough in many games to play around with the forwards but why not start him ahead of NB once in a while and give him a half to show if he can do anything?

  62. BADARSE

    Jan 26, 2014, 10:20 #44677

    Morning gentlemen. maguiresbridge and WeAreBuilding, going to say something irrational here regarding DOL. I know of the 'Pires winding up' incident and it didn't endear me to him, that isn't enough to hang a man though. This is where the illogical part comes in, I have never really taken to him, whilst cheering and saluting his achievements and endeavours whilst at the Arsenal, I've just kept a part of me back. I can dismiss it by just saying it's chemistry but somehow I am not comfortable with my own explanation. Odd isn't it. I have an ocean of other fish to fry so priorities are called for. Unlocking my own bizarre feelings towards him is well down the list, but it irritates me as I get a sense of relativity with all players/people in a somewhat speedy fashion, never with him though.

  63. Brady79

    Jan 26, 2014, 10:18 #44676

    The culture of leaving early is not a recent phenomenon, nor is it confined to Arsenal. I lived for many years near the Potteries and used to go to many Saturday afternoon matches with my father-in-law. The Stokies were notorious for leaving before the post-match rush so they could catch a bus home without being stuck in traffic. On one occasion we went to the opening match of the season against Clough's Leeds. At 0-0 with 15mins to go, the old man set off for his bus. He missed three brilliant Stoke goals. Enough said!

  64. Gaz

    Jan 26, 2014, 10:09 #44675

    Routine win on Friday night with some good performances notably from Jenks, Podolski and Özil. Well done the fans too for a classy show of solidarity. Main talking point though has to be the absolutely woeful performance of Bendtner. With three miss-kicks alone it was a performance-against limited opposition remember-of such ineptitude that it took me right back to the days of Hankin, Hawley and Chapman! If anybody still thinks he's able of replacing Giroud they are kidding themselves. We haven't been in such a good position for years and if relying on Bendtner means we miss out it'll be a disaster of Wengers own making. He's had a whole summer and jan to solve this and thankfully for him he's been given 5 days to do something about it. And don't give me any old guff about 'who's available' because the likes of Shane Long would have been a major upgrade. Sadly I actually read a tweet the other day that suggested Bendtners return was a 'positive'. Who for? Opposition defenders?!?!? Wengers been superb this season but these last 5 days of the window are absolutely vital. Bring in another striker and it's another indication he's really changing. Fail to...well if Giroud gets injured its game over.

  65. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jan 26, 2014, 8:02 #44674

    maguiresbridge: Dunno about O'Leary never having a bad word to say about us, but I clearly remember him when as manager of Leeds, running on the pitch punching fists into the air after they beat us 1-0 right at the end of the 98/99 season. Not too much love for his former club shown there. My dear old uncle leant me DOL's autobiography dated 1981, reading it he came across as somewhat self-opinionated and a bit of a sourpuss. Still, speak as you find I guess.

  66. smithy

    Jan 26, 2014, 6:20 #44673

    We need to sign draxler asap before manure, Chelski and the city arabs step in to drive the price up.He may be injured for a month but can still do a job in the big run in.Ricky lambett as cover for Giroud would be excellent,and not euro cup tied.

  67. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 25, 2014, 22:06 #44672

    I never really rated BT sport maybe it's only when other teams are on but i thought they did a reasonable job last night better than others i could mention anyway, probably for the fact they had DOL on the show ( the least said of the scouser standing beside him the better) it's always good to listen to him and enjoyed the story about the FA cup again i don't think he ever has a bad word to say about Arsenal and has never blotted his copy book apart from pissing Pires off by blowing kisses at him when with leeds, and to see him standing out side the ground after the game commentating live taking banter from the fans was good to see. Another one who knows something about defending who has been let slip through the net for whatever reason.

  68. Rex

    Jan 25, 2014, 21:27 #44671

    @jjetplane How the f**k can the 1999 team be fielding the Invicibles? Lehmann Lauren Toure Campbell Cole Pires Silva were not in the 1999 team

  69. Peter Wain

    Jan 25, 2014, 20:56 #44670

    Yes Bendtner had a very poor game against weak opposition. Its the lack of endeavour which surprises me. Yes Bendtner has little ability but given he is playing to attract a new club the lack of effort is surprising. Considering everything Park must be some player to be consistently behind him

  70. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 25, 2014, 19:42 #44669

    A very smooth passage Kev but did we really except anything else? i know we expected the same against Blackburn and we ended up embarrassed with our arse kicked, we were told lessons had been learned and it's good to see they were for a change. Lets hope it's all as smooth sailing with a couple more favorable draws but if the FA and referees have their way probably not. It was good to see Wenger taking the cup seriously again with a strong team even though fans would rather he didn't but as you say maybe he had no choice as there's not many options apart from young Zelalem if you'd call him an option but fair play to the lad and it was a nice birthday present. No one really stood out apart maybe from Podolski for his two goals, yes you'd have the thought the cart horse would have been right at home against opposition of his own level and get a couple before being hooked but no maybe that's not his level either. Will anyone be coming in that are at the proper level to help us in our quest before the month is out? i think we all know the answer to that.

  71. Moscow Gooner

    Jan 25, 2014, 19:35 #44668

    Good memories about Coventry from '87 - and remember 'Super Mac' putting them out of the Cup at Highbury in about '79. But also remember being up there for the 4th Round in about '75(?) Five of us - out of about 6,000 travelling gooners - in the middle of the 'wrong' end, which meant the open kop since Arsenal had taken the covered end. Alan Ball equalized just in front of us for a 1-1 draw: five red and white scarves waving in a sea of 10,000 sky blues ) Those were the days...

  72. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jan 25, 2014, 18:59 #44667

    Surely if you've had to travel a long way to attend the match, that's all the more reason to watch the entire 90 mins? Why on earth would anyone travel from Cornwall and back in order to watch 85% of a football match? If you don't want to / can't attend the entire match, leave your ticket to someone who will.

  73. Romeo

    Jan 25, 2014, 17:34 #44666

    Even if we draw another top team we still have a great chance.BIRD BRAIN.

  74. pollack

    Jan 25, 2014, 16:36 #44665

    Badarse - great insightful comment without the typical knee jerk responses you see in most

  75. Westlower

    Jan 25, 2014, 15:26 #44664

    'JJ, Didn't see that 2-3 v Coventry but I was at the 0-3 when Mick Quinn scored a hat trick at Highbury in 1993. I bump into Mick periodically in my horse racing life. It was the season we won the European Cup Winners Cup but that side struggled to score goals all season with a lowly total of 53 goals from 42 games. The AFC team that day: Seaman, Dixon, Winterburn, Davis, Linighan, Adams, Jensen, Wright, Campbell, Merson, Limpar. McGoldrick & Keown came on as subs for Jensen & Dixon.

  76. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jan 25, 2014, 15:08 #44663

    as someone who regularly made the awayday to Highfield Road back in the late 80's / early 90's it is hard to feel too sorry for them.....my recollection is, without sounding patronising, a typical "provincial" club where the team existed in the proverbial goldfish bowl, but taken out of that bubble were pretty much neither here or there. Sort of a Newcastle on a smaller level. Still, they did give us a few good games when John Sillet took over. Watching the news clip this morning good old BBC made it look like they could have got a draw, whilst quietly mentioning the final score. Thanks Auntie, we can always rely on you.

  77. jjetplane

    Jan 25, 2014, 14:56 #44662

    My exact thoughts Theopants. It's the corporate come latelys who don't give a toss. When I was going regularly I lived a walk from Highbury, was born a walk from Highbury though as i always keep to supporting my local team I now go by bike alond the seafront! People who are a bit more hard up do not disrespect and are genuinely humbled by supporting a club like Arsenal, though a rare thing that the local kids will get much of a chance. I would imagine some of Ozil's behaviour is the embarrasment of playing on the same pitch as the best player in the world. Wenger - this needs addressing & Draxler is out anyway for three months but anything is better than Mr Airhead. Another big cup scene on today - it's called the Vase. Glory beckons! Still reckon Le prof better phone up Crewe soon and get Chuks back! That would make Ozil smile. Come on Yeovil! Who remembers going to that stinker in 1999 against Coventry when we lost 3-2 while fielding the Invincibles. I remember that only too well.

  78. DW Thomas

    Jan 25, 2014, 14:25 #44661

    Jenkinson has a poor first touch and often takes two or three just to prepare the ball to pass it. Thought we played ok but Coventry was way below us in terms of ability. Bayern will be the real test. I think the big issue with Ozil, not his fault, is that he gets few options up front, little movement from others to push forward. When he does, it's an assist. Still a good win, so now let's get ready for the next HUGE two months. These are the most important of the last several years since the trophies have dried up. However, not buying a striker will be complete mismanagement. Bendtner just doesn't cut it.

  79. BADARSE

    Jan 25, 2014, 13:13 #44660

    The griping about late arrivals/early leavers is a tacit lesson on 'today's' problems. People have grown into an inalienable sense of being able to pretty much do what they like-they are (self centred) independent people aren't they? or are just plain unaware and insensitive! Allied to this is the number who cannot get to the game on time or have to leave early. Have to? You ask. Well some need to work reducing time allotted, meet train times home etc, logistics can be damning. The root cause for this though is circumstance, so to those affected by this I offer no criticism. TV (money) dictates a late game on a bizarre playing night. Our transport system is inadequate, and has far too early 'last train' schedules for those further afield. Modern coverage of football has attracted many supporters from the provinces so the dynamics there have changed. In todays climate a 60,000 crowd at that time of night in a busy area of London is a modern travelling nightmare. No one wants a person standing in your way as they slowly shuffle out, or the odd atmosphere created by a fast-emptying stadium. Sadly with much today that passes for normal, people are the proverbial square pegs being forced into round holes. Sadly it is a niggling problem which unfortunately comes with the territory of modern concepts, and being a being a football fan of today.

  80. theopants superstar

    Jan 25, 2014, 13:09 #44659

    Westlower: "Good that Kevin again highlighted the apathy of supporters who only watch about 85% of the game. Are these the same people who complain about the price of tickets but CBA to watch the entire game?". Why do you assume that? Isn't it more likely that a lot of the people that come late and learn early are those for whom ticket price rises makes little difference to their budget; who spend half the match on their phone, or talking about their work or social activities, and for whom going to Arsenal is more the thing to be seen doing, but not borne out of the same passion for the club of those that do protest about prices?

  81. Dvbrisg

    Jan 25, 2014, 12:49 #44657

    It continues to amaze me that people will slag Bendtner for not scoring against a crap opponent while excusing the £40m superstar for playing like a man who wouldn't have got in the side. We've been here before with excuses made for the likes of Arshavin. Start telling it like it is - Ozil is playing a twat and has been for weeks.

  82. Bard

    Jan 25, 2014, 12:46 #44656

    Agree with you Kev. No banana skins, job done, move on. Hopefully Bendtner's inept performance will force Wenger's hand in the transfer market but you wouldnt want to put your mortgage on it. The thought of him deputising for Giroud is the stuff of nightmares

  83. Jack

    Jan 25, 2014, 12:41 #44654

    We learnt nothing last night about Bendtner that we didnt know 5 years ago.He never was good enough to play for Arsenal.But i dont blame him i blame the man who gave him £52k a week,the man who could have sold him to Palace in the summer window and didnt, the man who still picks him now.Also anyone notice how poor Gibs was in the 2nd half.This was against a division one team.My first choice LB would be Monreal

  84. Moscow Gooner

    Jan 25, 2014, 12:29 #44653

    I don't buy any of these (desperately feeble) excuses for leaving a game early - the only time I have done that was in Brazil at a Flamengo/Fluminese derby (name dropping I know...) when the local hosts were worried about crowd violence and dragged us away five minutes before the end. Many of the worst offenders in my (very humble) experience live well within the M25 ring. If you have a journey like mine to contemplate 15 minutes to get out of the ground is neither here nor there! I would love to see a system implemented whereby those who consistently leave early forfeit their tickets to more deserving cases. Why is it that you can get banned for abusive behavior in the ground but not for this type of anti social behavior: i's f..ing irritating having to (try to) follow the last few minutes of a game through the arms, legs, bobbing heads of the leaving hordes (and for evening games that extends to those arriving up to 15 minutes late into the game as well) - and what sort of message does it send to the team??!

  85. BrummyGooner

    Jan 25, 2014, 12:14 #44652

    @Munchbaghat - That's all well and good, but what about the people who are deserved whilst those who want to leave early are leaving. My view of Santi's goal last night was blocked because the bloke in front had stood up to leave and stopped to say goodbye to everyone for what seemed an age. He even had his back to the pitch whilst he did this so missed it himself. That's his problem, but having paid £50 to watch the full 90 minutes I was more than a little pissed off to miss some of the action. If you want us to consider the journies of those who have far to travel (I am over 100 miles away myself), then they should have some consideration for others who would rather stay and enjoy the game.

  86. Munchbaghat

    Jan 25, 2014, 12:08 #44651

    The righteousness regarding early leavers tends towards the tedious sometimes. I can't recall anyone ever mentioning how many fans have long journeys home, coming, for example, from bristol, Wales, Cornwall etc. But then a lot of foottie fans are in it for the vicarious sense of superiority, so carry on.....

  87. fredm

    Jan 25, 2014, 11:47 #44650

    re getting to evening games late and leaving early, well some of us work and cannot always get finished in plenty of time to get in early, on leaving early I sit 8 rows from the touchline in J section if i leave when the whistle goes it will take me at least 10 to 15 minutes to climb the stairs and get to exits I have a long journey home to essexand need the extra time unlike the old highbury ground which to me had to be the easiest ground to get away from fredm

  88. Lee Bedford

    Jan 25, 2014, 11:40 #44649

    Two words for the change in Arsenal this year .........STEVEN BOULD!

  89. John Gooner

    Jan 25, 2014, 11:38 #44648

    A training match indeed Kevin, I was a little disappointed with the intensity of Coventry, it felt like they had turned up to stage a protest and the result was irrelevant. It does show you the kind of football we can play when the pressure is off though! It's no coincidence that our 2 best results of the past 2 seasons have occurred when we were already out of a competition (Bayern & AC). The build up play for Santi's goal was sublime, although the defence was poor.

  90. Westlower

    Jan 25, 2014, 11:01 #44647

    Good that Kevin again highlighted the apathy of supporters who only watch about 85% of the game. Are these the same people who complain about the price of tickets but CBA to watch the entire game? How many goals have the early leavers missed over the years? Gedion Zelalem reminds me of the stylish Paul Davis. Has an eye for the right pass, starting of the move that resulted in the 4th goal. Great talent to look forward to in the coming years. AFC may supply half the German Euro Cup team in 2016. The other positives being, no replay required, no apparent injuries, players returning from injuries had a run out, more game time for Gnabry & the winning run continues. Bring on Southampton! Coventry City are a timely reminder how quickly a football club can slip from grace. Financial problems resulting in them being docked 10 points & having to play their 'home' games at Northampton. Gooners shouldn't take for granted how well run AFC is.

  91. Its up for grabs now

    Jan 25, 2014, 10:30 #44645

    Comfortable win last night, but anybody watching that who still thinks Bendtner can do a job should Giroud become injured, needs their head examining. Air shots, poor distribution and general lack of close control were all on display from the worlds greatest footballer!! Hopefully Wenger's mind was confirmed that he simply can't rely on that carthorse should the worst happen to Giroud, consequently at the very minimum bring in a loan signing to have some sort of realistic cover. Draxler's name doesn't seem to be going away in the media and maybe this time there is more to this story than the usual rubbish written by the press. Southampton next with three points a minimum return required if the club wants to win it's first title in 10 years.

  92. GoonerRon

    Jan 25, 2014, 10:30 #44644

    Since the Man Citeh blip we have P8 W7 D1, won 7 games in a row and kept 6 clean sheets, conceding only 2 goals. Let's keep it going.