The AFC Boardroom...an imaginary meeting

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The AFC Boardroom...an imaginary meeting

Josh Kroenke – Winning only creates expectations?


Nowadays, large corporations, multinational interests, and even governments operate in a dual fashion. Whilst proclaiming openness they usually disguise their real intentions, offering sound bites to the masses then pursue their chosen goals under a cloak of secrecy. We as Arsenal fans are not privy to the machinations of a real board meeting, so I offer no apology for the speculative assumption of this written piece. It is intended as a 'fun' article, and would just say with perhaps a defensive mien, possibly you should treat your fans in a more open fashion AFC, and endeavour to make your club statements less ambiguous. Or George Harrison might say, 'Ring out the old, ring in the new. Ring out the false, ring in the truth.'

The hostess quickly exited the boardroom with an awkward attempt at a curtsey which ricked her back, she'd suffer with that later. The young magnate's son, Josh, breezed in, hands stuffed deep in pockets. He hadn't even seen the woman. He thought he cut a dash. He had taken to wearing a long wrap around scarf, and wore his collar up since the popularity of 'Sherlock' had gone through the roof in the USA . 'Hi dudes.' he drawled, crashing down into the rich leather chair at the head of the polished oak table. He swung his calf cowboy boots up on to it, removing any sense of class it brought to the room. As always AFC can create the image, cretins can destroy it. The Chairman began to protest that it was his seat, but was stilled with a, 'Zip it!', delivered without looking at the dismayed chap. 'Hey, I saw that Les Miserables last night, (he pronounced it as 'Les' the name, and 'miserable' the mood), it was a crock man, I tell you. Just one big crock of Frenchie merde.' he planted both palms of his hands on the table, and seemed mesmerised at the smears they left as he lifted them. 'OK, guys. Nothing to report? Awesome!' Josh answered his own rhetorical question.

‘Well...,' began Arsene.

'Listen my little French fry, "Zip it" is for y'all. Got it? You know the deal. You get to sit in on these gatherings providing you keep it buttoned. Capiche?' Josh was a forceful idiot, yet only in his bullying circles. If he had a choice to make of which two ties to wear he'd be lost and five minutes later might be found hanging from the ceiling by one or both; on home territory he was a different animal, as all bullies usually are. His vocabulary was a mix of eclectic clichés and throwaways, which he'd garnered from many walks of life, but mainly through TV. It was naturally littered with insults and inappropriate comments, but he didn't concern himself with any such considerations, because he knew he was the boss, the chief, and he believed he was the king.

'Er, young sir, we have an item which, er, needs to be discussed.' offered Sir Chips.

'Look, Monster Munch, any paperwork garbage and you leave it to 'Old yella' to deal with; I don't want to know.' He glanced at Gazidis as he spoke the cutting remark. He enjoyed the discomfort his words caused. A voice came from the intercom, 'Mister, er, Sir, Josh, sir. The Puma group are here to meet with Mr. Wenger. They apologise for being early so I've seated them in the 'Anfield 89' room.'

'Hey, doll-face!' he said to the disembodied voice, who happened to be a mature woman in her late forties, 'Get me a jelly doughnut!' he released the intercom button, and swivelling in his chair said, 'Beat it!', and without protest Arsene left the room.

Sir Chips was agitated as he began again, ' Young sir I must draw your attention to the fans' unrest, as...'

'Fannies! Call them fannies that's what they are, and I don't give a crap what they think.' he threw a paper aeroplane he'd made from an AFC embossed serviette, which flew across the table, lodging itself in Sir Chips' grey hair. ' Yay!' Josh whooped. 'You couldn't have caught it there, Old Yella Face. Not with a head like a pool ball.' He chuckled at his own pathetic joke. Josh laughed in a 'gnhaa, gnhaa' way, which to others was quite irritating; no one was likely to ever tell the emperor that he wasn't wearing clothes though. Gazidis just squirmed.

Sir Chips quietly removed the plane as another skimmed the polished table and slid off the edge to the floor. The Chairman offered a mild protest at the dismissal of his point by beginning with, '...but...'.

Josh, intent on cleaning his nails then interrupted once more, 'No buts in this boardroom, except for your three butts, and that's only for me to kick when I need to. Got it?' He waved the nail file as if to emphasise the point. At this moment Arsene Wenger returned.

'It is not the main party, they will be along in little bit, and I shall go when they arrive to treat them specially.'

'Come in and sit down you old Kraut.' the young man ordered.

'I am not German!' insisted Wenger.

Laughingly Josh responded, ' You are from Alsace, right? You are an Alsatian - a German Shepherd - so clam-up buster!' He cracked his knuckles then said, 'Listen up you guys, I'm being hard on you. I know but my 'pa' has the perfect business plan. You don't need to win stuff to be a success. He has proved it for years so it's all cool. Now with this goddamn Champions' League we get rich whilst not trying to win stuff. It's a dream guys, we have found the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Lighten up, and enjoy what we've got in our hands for Chrissake!' Ivan Gazidis nodded his approval, as if a fantastic revelation had been offered.

'Look you three stooges, just be grateful that the other clubs have greasy scumbags running their teams, and debts up to their 'pits'. Aw shucks, the big two have enough dough to just throw at it. If they suddenly realised they could get by without even trying to win anything like us, well we'd be in trouble.' he laughed out loud. 'Those big two want to win - they are on a glory hunt so compete against each other, let them! Their dumb-ass owners are in competition over the size of their own 'weenies', they don't give a hoot about their fans. Fannies!' he quickly corrected himself. 'Manchester are gonna crumble like the Berlin Wall, they have been running on empty for years just to keep up, and their time is over. They have mega-buck debts and a sell-out is the only thing that'll save them. We are in pole position against the wannabees, Liverpool Franchise, Everton City and Totteringham, so will stay ahead with our big pot of gold coming regularly. Though you've only just scraped it in the last two consecutive seasons Krauty, don't make me sweat this time around. OK?' Arsene nodded his agreement. Sir Chips stayed focused on the deep scratches the buckles of the boots were making.

Josh, and his father Stan had laid out the strategy before. It was understood by all. Times changed fast though, and occasional updates or 're-routes' as Josh called them, needed to be implemented sometimes; still those core values remained. As they saw it, based on their very own USA work model, success didn't have to be linked to silverware, in fact that could serve as a downright disadvantage. Win a pot, and they want you to repeat the feat. Here in England, with the advent of the money-spinning Champions' League qualification AFC had it made. They were becoming richer and richer. The omnipresent piratical satellite companies vying for match coverage, with their omniscient, yet strangely incoherent mutterings from their pundits, made sure AFC were constantly benefitting from the high profile it brought. 'Hey, we got that bug-eyed one, that shut up those 'fannies' - we didn't need a 'kraut' though.

Arsene spoke, 'We have three other Germans in my squad, Josh.'

'Do we? Anyway call me Josh the Man, that's my title - goddit?' Arsene with a pained expression in his eyes just nodded.

'Right guys, get this!' Josh spoke with a certain temerity. All three men turned their attention on him. He raised himself slightly on his elbows and broke wind, shouting, 'Hot dog!' He laughed so much he cried. As he wiped the tears away from his face with another AFC serviette, he suddenly stopped. The smile fell from his face. He looked with a cold intensity from one to the others. 'Just remember this you clowns, " Pa knows best." Now what does Pa know?'


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  1. Reg

    Mar 17, 2014, 19:16 #47563

    Cheers BADARSE, much appreciated. Definitely a lost cause educating the Jeff's of this world but we plod on. Up the Arsenal.

  2. BADARSE

    Mar 17, 2014, 18:08 #47558

    @Reg. From negativity often comes a positive. You didn't waste your time trying to educate jeff wright, you found an ally in me. I know Kent miners, I didn't need to, I knew inherently that their cause was just. The Freedom of Information Act, recently identified that Arthur Scargill's claims of pit closures was correct. In fact his claims slightly underestimated the true figure. He was 'character assassinated' by the Tory press on a systematic basis, whilst all of Thatcher's cabinet refuted his claims, including that woman herself. They lied through their teeth knowing he was telling the truth, and they also knew what was in store for all miners. Orgreave still angers me. No waste of time at all; a big thank you from me. Good old Arsenal!

  3. Reg

    Mar 17, 2014, 17:34 #47557

    Er Jeff, you make no arguments other than you don't agree with their politics. Fair enough, that's your view but keep banging on about the fact that people can't have certain political views if they come from certain social classes, whether people prefer to call themselves by a shortened version of their name (I'm guessing Jeff might well be abbreviated) or making silly low level racist anti-French comments makes you look like an idiot. Plus Scargill led his union well during the miners strike when the industry was being targeted by the government (read the stuff coming out via the Freedom of Information Act). I was a Kent miner at the time so I might know a little more than you on it. Plus so what he had extra marital affairs! You must have led a very virtuous life to judge others sins! As a friend of mine recently said "suss who the f***wits are and don't spend a minute on them". I've spent more than enough on you already!

  4. jjetplane

    Mar 17, 2014, 12:38 #47523

    I know where you're coming from Jeff Wright. You are completely left about that. Wright on.

  5. Ozzie

    Mar 17, 2014, 1:10 #47486

    umm...err...did someone mention the fans?

  6. jeff wright

    Mar 16, 2014, 22:40 #47481

    Er Reg, considering that your first post was complete nonsense there is nothing for you to confirm,other than you are obviously a fool. Badarse , the miners were lions led by donkeys and the number one donkey was Scargill . I feel sorry for his former wife who divorced the clown years ago after finding out that he was cheating on her with a younger woman, the former mistress now says that Scargill is a loner and a loser. The only battles that 'king Arthur' fights now is against his former Union , the current leader leader Chris Kitchen says of him, he is an hypocrite who was portrayed as a great socialist and trade unionist . He did things differently though in his own private life to what he preached against others doing. Sounds about right. As for Tony , whom I once met in Islington back in the early 80s, at a local meeting , well tbh I could never take him seriously along with the Redgraves and other Champaign socialists , other than spout a load of old dinosauric outdated tosh what did plastic socialist Benn and co actually ever do for the less advantaged in our society ? I have no problems with genuine politicians who are realistically trying to better others lives rather than just massaging their own egoes. A predictable result today at the lane of pain for us , but it still looks like a battle for third spot for us to me rather than a title challenge . If we can beat Chelsea and City I will start to believe different !

  7. Peter Pain

    Mar 16, 2014, 20:23 #47480

    Are you serious Wain. Arsenal never looked in trouble today with Spuds long ball game and the Dean in charge.

  8. BADARSE

    Mar 16, 2014, 20:22 #47479

    Thirty odd years ago I was on a CND rally with jeff wright-naw, only kidding about the last bit, he was up north marking out the properties he would buy when they lost 50% of their value as the pits closed and communities died. Actually Suggs, partner and child were present-they did ask after jeff wright though. I bumped into Anne Scargill collecting for the miners with another volunteer. She had come down from Yorkshire at her own expense and stood all day on behalf of those less fortunate. jeff wright had been invited to help but decided others might think him a hypocrite because of wild rumours surrounding his attitude to life, so went off to asset-strip instead. Ox, Santi and especially Kieran poor today. Kosh and Per again immense. All together now, 'One-nil to the Arsenal! One-nil to the Arsenal! One-nil...'

  9. Peter Pain

    Mar 16, 2014, 20:17 #47478

    Peter Wain can't see us winning anything this year. Considering the teams left in the FA Cup, we can clearly see that he is not an Arsenal fan.

  10. Reg

    Mar 16, 2014, 20:14 #47477

    Yes er Jeff. Tony Benn did a lot for the down trodden prols as you put it, most of it I'm sure would be lost on you so I won't expand. No he wasn't working class but I've never judged the quality of a person on their social background or indeed whether they are French or not. Statements from you that back up my first point.

  11. Sid

    Mar 16, 2014, 20:12 #47476

    Spurs just ran about and played hoof ball.It was like playing a good Championship side in their cup final.Spurs will be back to their mundane sideways passing next week and will finish seventh.They can't play at that tempo every week because basically they are a poor team who are out of their depth against anybody who can play the ball on the ground.

  12. Peter Wain

    Mar 16, 2014, 19:13 #47475

    have ever great the result was the perofrmance was poor. Giroud and Cazorla were pants and Arteta not much better. We were over run in mid field and looked second best all of the second half. WHy we are playing Griroud who is slower than old boots defeats me. Where is the pace in the team now Walcott is injured. Cannot see us winning anything this year.

  13. jjetplane

    Mar 16, 2014, 16:30 #47474

    RON So much histories on the Totts/Arsenal divide. Seen everything from a mate being put away for being just too involved to going around India with a couple of mates - one who was Spud incarnate. Used to go there in the 70s for a laugh and gee up the odd bod I would find there who I knew. Been whiskers away from hidings and well remember a few of them giving a mate grief at Old Trafford and I just waved a hand and they walked off. Before the match I was being ribbed cause a bunch of them came up to say hello to me. Knew them all as workmates. Strange choices some people make. I do hope Ox amends for that bit of casual. Would love a half burial before half time.

  14. jeff wright

    Mar 16, 2014, 15:34 #47473

    Yes er Reg, I can see how my not supporting Arthur and Tony must make me an enemy of the down trodden proletariat that those pair of working class heroes did so much for. While you are posting on this board Reg everyone else will have to get in line behind you as regards any claims to being an idiot.

  15. Ron

    Mar 16, 2014, 15:06 #47472

    MG - I shall never go there again my friend. Last time was 07. 3-1 Gunners. My mates 15 year old took a kick and a punch from some low life aged about 23 for the sin of wearing his new Arsenal top. Mate kicked the assailants legs from under him and we then were left facing down 5-6 other cave men, who thankfully decided to turn tail and join their compatriots wrecking fruit and veg stores and turning over a drinks shop. That was after being seated too close to the spud/arsenal divide line and dodging their filthy phlegm for 90 mins. That was OK though, it made their stewards laugh! I said then that the only time ill ever visit is if its with a wrecking ball and bulldozer to take the lot of them out, football ground and all. Vile place. Many decent spurs fans follow the Club but a very high proportion of vitriolic pits of society types co exist with them. Always been the same. Very sad. Footballs not worth that experience for me.

  16. jjetplane

    Mar 16, 2014, 14:48 #47471

    Talking of music - presently hitting on Savages, Disclosure, ASAP Rocky, Vampire Weekend, Jon Hopkins, Deafheaven, King Krule, Gold Panda and a bit of Fleetwood Mac Rumours. Think I have forgotten who Hendrix was! ha ha. Liverpool two up - will they or won't they. Could think of a worst team - Maaaaauuuuurrreeeen! Ah yes Socialism - the simulacra that floats in the same space as the God Particle. BADARSE that is not the trendy deconstruction I so love when I am lost in the realms of negative theosophy. You're talking the Trotski-pummeled Phil of neo con hedge funders from betting windows to computer screens with end result of collapsing states. Football maybe summed up thus: Rooney wants a penalty. Good afternoon to the great tribe of gooner romanticism. Clocks and hotdogs. Gotta a tragic virus at the moment and have had oils prepared by a white witch so dream and reality cascade with abandon. Nothing new there. Who does not love football. Speak up fool!

  17. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 16, 2014, 14:42 #47470

    Ron, yes lets roast the spuds send them home from the swamp with their tails between their legs yet again. I had the chance to be there today but had to decline (had no wellies)i can just about afford home games so thought i'd save it for our own patch with maybe something to celebrate in the near future. But if others had their way with a 50% rise there would be a hell of a lot of others who wouldn't even have that privilege. COYG.

  18. Reg

    Mar 16, 2014, 13:55 #47469

    @ Jeff Wright. What a complete idiot you are! Keep supporting the greed infested "more for less" brigade and just slight those that spend a lifetime fighting it.

  19. jeff wright

    Mar 16, 2014, 13:37 #47468

    Arthur Scargill was another lefty hypocrite , banging on the working class drum , while in reality aspiring to be one of those middle class tory types that he claimed to despise. Tony Benn, or Viscount something or other, as he were originally, was a self created political character and everything was really always about himself and his own ego . His biggest contribution to history was getting the super-sonic passenger jet Concord off the ground in partnership with the French , it's never easy having to deal with them. Unfortunately the Concord was a waste of time as it could not carry enough passengers to make it cost efficient. In some ways this Concord project, that Benn put so much energy and time into, kind of summed up his whole political career as well. Flawed.

  20. BADARSE

    Mar 16, 2014, 12:41 #47467

    I want to avoid the ethereal aspect of stability, but it does move from abstract to tangible in some senses. With my Dad around I knew I was safe. It was a comfort blanket on occasions perhaps but it's the effect I wanted to emulate. I have a similar standing within the family group now. It was richly earned and I defend it for it's intrinsic value. Arsenal are a bit like that. The stock exchange is based on confidence. Just lately we see the housing market operating independently after a fashion, but nonetheless buoyant, even if only in the south. AFC are a little like that. Well, they are to me. Always there, dependable, solid and constant. Doing things 'The Arsenal way', even if it's not so different now to the way others perform and act, and is perhaps just a mind set, but it's a good one. Striving to be better is a fair aim in life; football clubs are not people of course, but in many ways Arsenal do just that. They strive to be better, that brings with it a feeling of permanence. The manner the club is run ensures that. For me the stock of AFC is always rising.

  21. Ron

    Mar 16, 2014, 11:47 #47466

    Amos/Chris - Morning guys. Both of you make good points. Stability does call for all the variables as you mention ie the spend levels, the coaches sound sense, the commercial revenue etc to all gell together and if there is one head boy like Arsene then it does make and importantly makes us 'feel' like real stability exists. Defining stability is like trying to nail blamange to a wall though. I'm just trying to say, that changes at the head on its own doesn't on its own disrupt the nature of whatever sort of stability a Club has. Youre right though Amos, the figures not stacking up in a strict accounting sense like the two petro/KGB ran clubs make for a business failure on the horizon in logical sense as we understand it. They obviously think that their cash flow wont ever dry up (subject to what FFP has to say eventually). If theyre right then their entitles are stable, even if all the rules of sound business sense suggest otherwise. As juklesd says, its a barmy game and the normal rules don't ever seem to apply as they do to the widget maker in the unit on the corner of the local industrial est.Its a good job really as its the madness and the daft risks and irrationality that makes football what it is. The Arsenal have their culture of management and have not changed it really ever. It works for us. Its just that we all differ in the amounts of madness we'd just like them to infuse the Club with from time to time, which might make a difference in the achievement stakes.Then again guys, it might not eh!!C mon Gunners today. Roast the Spuds, its Sunday!

  22. Chris

    Mar 16, 2014, 11:06 #47465

    Ron - Those clubs that have over-achieved relative to their resources have generally been those that have maintained stability in terms of keeping the same manager - e.g. Man Utd and Arsenal. Obviously the stability might result from the over-achieving, rather than the other way round, but it is very clear that those clubs who have been successful right at the top of the PL who have regularly changed their manager (Chelski and Citeh) have spent an awful lot more than any other club...

  23. Amos

    Mar 16, 2014, 11:02 #47464

    Surely though Ron, part of julesd's point is that the stability at Arsenal coincides with a period of consistency of achievement (if not a level desired by those who insist anything less than a trophy is failure) while the club has undergone changes that elsewhere have proved destabilising. Not all stable clubs like West Brom, Southampton and Stoke have had the same level of stability of achievement even though they might be descirbed as stable clubs. Sure Chelsea and Man City are stable but that stability is the same stability that Wonga.com allows. They are not of themselves stable at all. Similarly Villa had previously been stable under Deadly Doug but risked that stability one Lerner tried to buy success with a wages bill at 84% of revenue. Stability has since returned but regaining that stability has threatened a stable place in the PL. I agree that the club will manage quite nicely after Wenger but that has to be in large part because he, along with others, has helped to give the club the stability to continue to compete on an enduring basis.

  24. BADARSE

    Mar 16, 2014, 10:52 #47463

    Ron, very wise and well-defined analysis, buddy.

  25. Ron

    Mar 16, 2014, 10:40 #47462

    julesd - Very fair comments too. Arsene does represent stability as you say. Its a mistake though to assume that only one type of stability exists. It is a crazy game, but oddly, there is stability in amongst the Clubs whose wisdom deems change to be necessary too. Clubs like Man C and Chelsea can change coaches as you say and still be stable Clubs. At the lower end, excellently well ran clubs like West BA and Stoke and Saints can change coaches without the underlying stability of the Club being upset. In the mid tier, theres Aston Villa, in many ways a model Club for stability in the way its ran who have changed coaches many times over many years. Its also not an absolute to suggest that these clubs would do better if they didn't change coaches. Its possible that they could do worse if they didn't. The spuds are a known stable, well ran Club, but the coach changes make them look fickle and foolish. Stability of a Club or business isn't reflected entirely by its changes of the top staff, its the back room and underlying fabric that gives stability. Arsenal are a Club who have always been stable, well before AW and will remain so. Simply conflating 18 years of his tenure as stability in itself is in many ways naive and in my opinion is a simplistic, largely media led definition of stability. Also, i might add its a definition that is very convenient and oft used for those Arsenal supporters to rely upon in support of the present status quo remaining at the Club.Stability comes in all forms. Like a marriage, one couples idea of stability may depend upon ups and downs, peaks and troughs, flatlining could disrupt it. For others, the opposite applies. Im sure than AW tenure is in its autumn if not its Winter. The Club will manage the change as it sees fit, but don't think that a sudden change = gross instability as it doesn't.

  26. BADARSE

    Mar 16, 2014, 10:24 #47461

    Julesd a clear and succinct choice you made between Arsene Wenger and one D.Levy. Keep telling it buddy. @Bard, you know I see us as, 'stage' sword-fighting. You put your sword aloft for me to clatter, then I return the compliment. We stand transfixed slapping swords without real intent, just going through the motions. It's quite amusing really. I bare you no ill-different hearts beat under the same flag. Incidentally privilege of course is relative. To many you are privileged, you support Arsenal for a start. Sorry you felt sick, then again perhaps not-only kidding! Today of all days we need every gun loaded and primed. So here's to you Gooner. @Ron, Joe Baker's little tea light burns brightly; you are rightly entrusted with the task of keeping the flame alight. Well done chum. @jjetplane, that 'deconstruction of the uppers', I have some inside info on that. It is a little prescribed Cambridge-area movement. Led by a black beret-wearing horse-loving guy. He is oft' seen sporting a Che Guevara T-shirt, with a Racing Post folded into the back pocket of a grubby pair of jeans, and smoking a thin cheroot. He is known to his friends and enemies alike as 'westlower'. You might catch him mumbling the lyrics to the 'Style Council' song, '...and the walls can come tumbling down!', as he goes about his demolition business. You can enlist by ringing 24601.

  27. BADARSE

    Mar 16, 2014, 9:19 #47460

    Oh and SGRB after my 'Power to the People' fix I couldn't resist JL's 'Watchin' the Wheels', which kind of makes a statement about my constant attempts to quell the bubbling red blood within, and the state I aspire to. Ying and Yang? Ha ha. No, it's a perpetual battleground for me, set to a background of permanently erupting volcanoes with fields of flowers around the foothills-being smothered by hot lava, then popping up through the surface again. Goodness I am beginning to sound like jjetplane. Oh and jjetplane why does it not surprise me that they turfed you out of the meeting? You are a one-man riot just waiting to happen chum. I like it though, even if I'd been one of those hanging onto a leg helping to carry you out I am sure I would have been smiling.

  28. BADARSE

    Mar 16, 2014, 8:57 #47459

    Good morning gentlemen. Wow! I have a few threads hanging here and they do make me feel a little humble. So with the utmost humility let me respond. @SGRB let me say thank you again, for helping to make this sunny morn a little more brilliant. I do think we could be friends-I would like us to be, if not in real life at least here. I have the utmost respect for you, in fact with your last post it has increased. That old conveyor belt, with us all standing statically, rumbles towards the abyss. I stand, metaphorically speaking, yelling back at the younger dudes. I am screaming things like, 'Have fun!', 'Be nice to each other!', 'It's all ending soon, don't waste your time!', but few can hear or understand, and soon I will be no more. My voice will be silenced, as was Tony Benn's and of course that of the 'big-hitter' Bob Crow. Sad week indeed. Thank you for the post chum, now going to play Lennon's, 'Power to the People', to break this melancholy.

  29. Stan

    Mar 16, 2014, 8:41 #47458

    Get lost Finsbury Spud and take your sad AMG mates with you. The only reason I think your lot might be spared a spanking today is that weasel Mike Dean.

  30. julesd

    Mar 16, 2014, 8:11 #47457

    Bard, 'Wenger is God reincarnated.' Wenger represents stability in the crazy football world of chaos, confusion & disruption - hardly God like?. Would you prefer the Daniel Levy model of trying & dismissing umpteen coaches and technical directors? £107,000,000 spent in the summer and still no further progress. Serendipity.

  31. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Mar 16, 2014, 4:16 #47456

    @Badarse there is certainly a lot of nonsense spewed in this comment section that I would make a point of not overtly backing. I think that's the point; you do back some of the nonsense. I'm sure though, despite your attachment to Wenger, you and I would have more in common than difference were we to converse in 'real life'. I think this has been a sad week, the loss of Crow and then Benn. The world has just got a little less left wing in a way it can hardly afford.

  32. Ron

    Mar 15, 2014, 23:51 #47455

    jj - I like that. 'uppers deconstructing themselves' etc etc. Excellent. I might use that myself at some stage if you don't mind my friend.Cd never be sure whether Benn did that (many do as you say) or whether he'd got some base psychological detest of his own class, borne of something that only he ever experienced. Lets face it, the morals up there in those echelons often stink the house out to levels that would make us wretch if ever we knew the full extent of it. Just maybe he saw it?I was never quite sure where his motivation came from i.e your 'de construct' or just an intellects love for theorizing. I wonder if he was ever asked directly?

  33. Finsbury Joe

    Mar 15, 2014, 23:34 #47454

    Benn was a man you could trust to turn us into North Korea. Getting that sinking feeling about the Gooners tomorrow

  34. jjetplane

    Mar 15, 2014, 22:22 #47453

    Bard Met Mr Benn at a miner's benefit once and was unconvinced by him or the rest of the have-its who filled the place. Told them as much and got chucked out. Got a lot more time for Mr Crow who managed to make something of himself. Always wary when the uppers deconstruct themselves in order to own the souls of the wretched. Now then Maureen is having a mare and he wants Ozil to join him. Bring on this soap sponsored by Hedgeworld. What will sunday bring? Have more fun watching the Irish hold back the boys of Bastille. First rugby I have ever watched and I guess in doses .....

  35. Ron

    Mar 15, 2014, 21:48 #47452

    Badarse - Only ever been one god with Arsenal connotations mate. I give you ................. Mr Joseph Henry Baker!RIP

  36. BADARSE

    Mar 15, 2014, 21:39 #47451

    Bard, it's not a mountain. it's a hill, and you know it, I do see the sun going down, and the eyes in my head see the world spinning round. Try it! You are funny. God reincarnated!??! Which of your gods would that be?

  37. Ron

    Mar 15, 2014, 21:05 #47449

    Fair comment Bard. Benn was a highly intelligent left wing intellectual. Ironically he strangely lacked the intellect though to realise that he had to curb his philosophical leanings in favour of practicality and pragmatism as a minister under Wilson and Jim C, hence he was always a lone voice who as you say, liked the thrill of coating off his own true section of society wherever he could. His wealth allowed him that privilege. Not sure of you've read any of his diaries ( i suspect that you have), but theyre full of derogatory comments and put downs of others who he saw as less intelligent than him (most were). All in all a very frustrated man, whose high ideals and principles stopped him reaching the pinnacle of politics. He had the views and objectives that working people cdt and never will afford to follow through with. Typical left wing. Its all grand theory and is so far removed from reality, thats its dangerous. Theres always room for it in the political spectrum though to counter balance the evil right wing throttle that grips this Country and all of the developed world now. Benn was happy to be that intellectual voice. Sorry to lecture mate, but you needn't be sorry in not giving him full recognition. He never wanted it him self in truth.Todays dim witted grey men who hold sway in politics now love the passing of guys like him despite their two faced complimentary comments they make now hes gone. Double died sound bite shi-bags, all of them.

  38. Bard

    Mar 15, 2014, 20:44 #47448

    SGRB; Badarse doesn't stand for Stan or anything else as far as I can see. He sits atop a mountain looking down on the foaming, frothing masses of deluded Arsenal fans who don't see that Wenger is God reincarnated. Slightly nauseated by all the Benn Eulogies. In my book he was nice man but a useless minister, a privileged toff slumming it with the masses. Famous for writing diaries rather than making a real difference. Sorry to puncture the love in.

  39. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 15, 2014, 13:48 #47446

    BADARSE, if he worked with out notes him and Arsene would have got on well together.

  40. BADARSE

    Mar 15, 2014, 13:07 #47445

    Oh yes they are friends Ron. Abramovich was in the gang which promoted Putin, which led to his meteoric rise to power. True their is no honour amongst thieves so he would always need to watch his back and pay lip-service to Putin they are buddies, make no mistake. They are also linked by Abramovich's ex-partner who fell out with him because he made an enemy of Putin. Abramovich stitched him up and cheated him out of billions knowing Putin would support him. Two assassination attempts by the old KGB-Putin's old colleagues, convinced him to give Abramovich the money. Ugly!

  41. Ron

    Mar 15, 2014, 12:35 #47444

    Badarse - Not sure Mr Abram'th is a 'freind' of Mr P. More like he just pays his 'dues' to the latter, doffs his cap and says yes in all the right places,so to make sure his chavy arse remains on the planet for a while longer.

  42. BADARSE

    Mar 15, 2014, 12:17 #47443

    OK, let's get one thing straight SGRB, I appeased you and acknowledged that my flippant response was construed as a total endorsement. I didn't want a conflict over a minor issue. I was guilty of laughing at JAMIE, by posting as if my post was a laugh. I admitted I was still trying to come to terms with this posting lark and will always struggle with it. I will retain the right to chuckle posting-wise, support or not as the case may be. If the essence of a poster's view is amusing, or wrought with a truth or borne of frustration, that which I share I shall make it known. I will turn it back on yourself, do you support all those you read on here just because they want Arsene Wenger out? You appear to ignore the cretinous posts and the manner they are couched in as they are in your 'camp'. Tacit agreement I lay at your feet.

  43. Ron

    Mar 15, 2014, 12:17 #47442

    Badarse - Youd be amamzed at how questions are sifted and excluded before QT now. It doesnt do for a sychophant like Dimbleby to allow his guests to be exposed, not that many of any 'weight'have the bollocks to go on it now. Its a pale imitation of what it was back in the day. The day i met Benn, he was on with Nigel Lawson, Roy Lynk (the guy who formed UDM during the pit strikes) and Steele plus another nondescript press oaf as i recall. Benn and Lawson were like two big bears mauling each other. Hugely impressive men and in Lawsons case, huge as well!It was brilliant. Both men took a few 'punches' from each other and respected each other immensely, while disgreeing on every single point in issue (something a few on here should learn) and the audience questioning was barely monitored, unlike todays skeletal prog.

  44. BADARSE

    Mar 15, 2014, 11:49 #47441

    Julesd, what a lovely post. You are right my friend of course. I never waver and always bid adieu to those who have gone, and as an atheist know they have gone forever. The only tilt at immortality is that which we carry for them. Their views, their logic, their teachings, their past presence, and all that their memories inspire. Ron, charisma! Have met a few with that vague and abstract quality in my time, he had it. Question Time was, and to a degree still is, a good programme. Tony Benn was revered on that show. He always came equipped with a possible hundred questions likely to be posed. Suggested to Dimbleby all of these and usually at least half a dozen were. Now it's more prosaic. The big stories in the news-the flavour of the month. He also worked without notes, as many did in those days.

  45. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Mar 15, 2014, 11:39 #47440

    @Badarse, do you really 'stand behind' Stan's wish to see ticket prices increased by 50% in order to 'separate the wheat from the chaff'? Looks to me like another instance of you rushing to back anyone that seems vaguely pro-Wenger. We've seen it before with obvious wind up merchants like Jamie.

  46. ITMan

    Mar 15, 2014, 11:30 #47439

    Stan - What an ironic comment coming from someone who has multiple personas on here. I hope the site moderators are paying attention to your very obvious trolling.

  47. Stan

    Mar 15, 2014, 11:27 #47438

    I liked Tony Benn certainly a man you could trust. Unfortunately a lot on here are more Mr Benn changing their opinions like their clothes.

  48. Ron

    Mar 15, 2014, 9:46 #47437

    Badarse - met him in 1984 after a 'Question Time' i went to (it was still a prog that real politicians were brave to go on to then and handle proper questions!) Didn't always agree with everything he thought but my word, he made you question your own views on stuff and he was always unwavering in his views.Top bloke.

  49. Bard

    Mar 15, 2014, 9:42 #47436

    Julesd; Is it possible to have have compassion in football? In life yes but football surely not.i don't have compassion for the 'others down the road' and will revel in their discomfort when we spank them. The more they get spanked the better I will feel but at no point will I be thinking about compassion. Football's tribal, its not a suburban tea party. We could of course all get together and write a nice card to Finsbury Joe on Monday telling him how sorry we that the spuds got walloped and how we wished Arsenal had been kinder and more gentler to them. Sadly I don't think we would get many takers

  50. julesd

    Mar 15, 2014, 9:19 #47435

    Badarse, Very sad when a hero passes away, but comfort yourself in the knowledge he was and will remain an inspiration in your life. Compassion is as powerful a feeling as passion and you display an abundance of both. May tomorrows result give you a timely lift. R.I.P. Tony Benn.

  51. BADARSE

    Mar 15, 2014, 9:15 #47434

    Bard, never a danger of confusing passion with fundamentalism, or misreading personality traits. Listen to La Boheme and weep-true passion. Stan-Putin? Wow, buddy! You went off piste there. An impassioned long term Arsenal fan, and a dirty ex-KGB thug, a criminal, a gangster...oh, and a friend of Abramovitch? I do agree with the last statement though, and should always be so, you, me and Stan-'Come on you Gunners!'

  52. Bard

    Mar 15, 2014, 9:00 #47433

    Fun post Alex; I think Arsenal are more Forrest Gump than well oiled machine. But the bottom line is $s and our beloved boss does his bit for the cause. The problem they have comes at the end of the season. Can they get away with Wenger signing a new contract if we don't win anything? Will they get away with another season without significant investment? Stan; I think I need to keep away from you, I have a sneaking suspicion you're Putin under a different guise. However i will offer you support and understanding when the current regime falls which will be sooner rather than later. Viva the revolution. Badarse; nice one, but don't confuse passion with fundamentalism. Roll on Sunday, come on you gunners.

  53. Stan

    Mar 15, 2014, 8:40 #47432

    If a JCL is somebody who has been following Arsenal since the 70's then I'm a JCL. Just because a man is loyal to the Arsenal cause doesn't mean he's never known success. I like BADARSE watch lots of other games when Arsenal aren't playing and can say we lack nothing any other Premiership team has and at this current time sit behind only Bayern, Barca and Real in terms of our ability on the broader stage. I was there in Copenhagen 94 where there was much celebrating and 95 Paris where there was a lot of complaining(mainly from the likes of Maguire and Ron) and in 2000 where there was a lot of brawling(Again mainly by the complainers). The double still very much a possibility compared to Totts who only have 5th place to play for or to please you critics, Manure who only have 5th place to play for because I know we shouldn't compare ourselves with the tiny totts and only last year we were being told by you critics that Manure is the team we should always compare ourselves by.

  54. BADARSE

    Mar 15, 2014, 8:40 #47431

    Ron, met him twice recently and managed to have a brief chat. I had to stop myself from embracing this frail old man; there was still a young firebrand on the inside struggling to get out and make a mark. I made do with holding his hand throughout our chat. He was a giant of a man to me. Gone forever, never to see his like again. Like Joe Baker, eh buddy?

  55. Ron

    Mar 15, 2014, 8:30 #47430

    Badarse - R.I.P Tony B. Not many true politicians left now.

  56. BADARSE

    Mar 15, 2014, 7:05 #47428

    Morning gentlemen. Well, as is my way, that of lacking passion, not enough red blood and a multitude of other 'failings' laid at my feet by 'the' fans, I stand next to you Stan-right at your shoulder, nay, in front of you. I will use my shield of 'indifference' to defend us. Stand your ground buddy. Recently on the flimsiest of assumptions I have been accused of lacking passion-a man with his wife who flew scarves all the way from Copenhagen, through Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, France into England, Singing all the way. Not enough red blood? A man who loves a good Rioja or a rounded Claret-ask radfordkennedy about that. Leading a grey life? Yet every day for me is a kaleidoscopic rainbow event. Through my eyes I walk in 'Yellow Submarine' territory, or 'Red Submarine' as we used to sing on the North Bank at Highbury. Accused of not being a real fan, or a nebulous entity floating in limbo around the Grove. Blood? It's raging through my body right now, and I haven't even had my bowl of porage! As we might sing, 'We are the Arsenal and we are the best, we are the North Bank so pluck all the rest.' I lost a hero yesterday, so was always poised to go over the top as a reaction'...7,8,9,10.1,2,3,4' -still trying 24601.

  57. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 15, 2014, 0:30 #47427

    Stan, We know what we're missing alright and know what it takes to be a fan, and being a JCL you obviously don't, and therefor have never experienced it, which is a shame because it's the best feeling in the world standing on the route of the open top bus parade waiting for it to arrive, and as it passes the players waving at you and holding up the cup or cups, now that's a real thrill of being a fan even better than sex. (and you probably haven't experienced that either). And if you had (open top bus parade)you'd know that's what it's all about, and not describe it as irrelevant and be happy to wait ten years to win something the right way (whatever that means.) But at least you included IMO so hopefully there's not many more fans like you although we'll not hold our breath. As for looking for or finding problems with Arsenal i won't even bother addressing that as you don't have to look very far.

  58. Ron

    Mar 14, 2014, 23:57 #47425

    Stan - Can't make my mind up what's worse, looking through my arse as you say i and others do or talking through it like you do. Looking at your posts, i'm guessing you've had a lifetime of it.

  59. Stan

    Mar 14, 2014, 23:15 #47424

    Maguirebridge,Better a JCL than a never come lately.You boys don't know what your missing.If all we have to celebrate is open top bus parades we sadly miss what it takes to be a fan.Winning the right way, even if waiting ten years beats all others hands down IMO. You Ron Jeff and co have spent so long guessing and speculating and trying to find problems with Arsenal, by looking out of your arses instead of your eyes you've missed out on the real thrill of being a fan. The always the victim stance taken by many Arsenal fans wears a bit thin after a while.

  60. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 14, 2014, 20:59 #47422

    Stan, of course you are, and like i've said it's started already and that's because of JCL's like you.

  61. BADARSE

    Mar 14, 2014, 20:53 #47421

    Well Bard, Stan's outburst was full of passion, and all for Arsenal, yet as I suggested, if it isn't what you want to hear you don't recognise the passion. It is just 'white noise'. Passion can be displayed for and against, and in many ways. Here endeth the lesson. Stop that Reverend westlower! This is my post!

  62. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 14, 2014, 20:26 #47419

    Talking of our other carthorse, i wonder what all his supporters think after his latest antics? or was that just because their beloved manager was supporting him by giving him the odd game? (because he had no choice)so of course they had to as well. Well fear not if the rumors are to be believed OGL (like a lot of right thinking fans have done years ago) has lost faith in him at last (because of his antics) and he'll never play for the club again so there will be no need to play follow OGL on that one anymore. From the day he walked into the club like a lot of others over the last nine years he was never fit to wear the shirt anyway. And we all know why he's still here hanging around stinking the place out, and even if he's somewhere else. Lets hope they're not just rumors, so good bye to bad rubbish it's just years to late.

  63. Stan

    Mar 14, 2014, 19:38 #47418

    magirebridge, No I'm serious that is how I would like Arsenal run. I'm sick of bellyacher's like you Ron, Stroud, Jeff, jetplane, edb, Greenhut and all you other gits.

  64. Nicholas Bendtner

    Mar 14, 2014, 19:15 #47417

    I sleep now Amos. Thank you.

  65. Amos

    Mar 14, 2014, 18:28 #47416

    Robbie Keane's claims are not the same thing jeff. Ozil clearly didn't want to sign for Arsenal 3 years ago but it has been confirmed that Wenger tried to sign him. Confirmed by both parties in fact. We also know that Wenger did sign him 3 years later. We also know that there had been nothing in Ozil's performance levels and reputation in the intervening 3 years that would have dissuaded him from signing him if he wanted to sign him 3 years earlier. As I said you can make of it what you will but any prejudiced opinion can only be measured in light of known and confirmed facts. The NYSE share price doesn't tell you anything about the long term valuation of the business as short term falls and rises in share prices are a perfectly normal feature of equity markets. However even at present levels the share price is still someway above it's 52 week low point.

  66. jeff wright

    Mar 14, 2014, 18:11 #47415

    Amos, Robbie Keane claims to have supported every club that ever signed him,it's a stock claim by new signings to pretend that they always wanted to sign for their new club. RVP used to claim he was a gunner for life until the little boy reminded him that he used to dream of signing for United. Look I have no doubt that Wenger along with Ferguson and other managers had a look at Ozil in the past they also all looked at many other players such as Mata and Hazard,etc, the facts are though that Ozil was a last minute signing made in desperation after the shocking home defeat to Villa and some poor preseason displays .Also the spuds mighty 100m spending spree probably played a part in it, with claims being made that they would overtake us this season, after only finishing one point behind us last time. Ozil was not the first panic buy,there were those made after the 8 goal thumping at United as well. As I said before Stan reacts to events and I believe it was he and not Wenger ,who hates spending any money let alone 42m ,who signed Ozil. Taking account of Ozil's amortised wages over the period of his contract , and his 42m cost, it looks like Stan did a bad bit of business and was taken to the cleaners by that snake senor Perez. He got Bale and doesn't give a monkey's about selling Ozil.

  67. Green Hut

    Mar 14, 2014, 18:11 #47414

    Ron- Mate, if I was the owner of a football club and my team manager wasn't utilising the resources I was making available to him due to a misguided moral code and an over-inflated belief in his own abilities, I would have no hesitation in hoisting the spotlight onto him.

  68. jeff wright

    Mar 14, 2014, 17:51 #47413

    Despite your valiant efforts to try and prove that Stan's views on the Glazers running of United to be correct,the facts are United has depreciated in value this season . with United’s struggle to challenge for Champions League qualification leading to £220million being wiped off the club’s stock market valuation in a month. "The Glazers have seen United's share price on the New York Stock Exchange drop by more than 12 per cent from £10.68 to £9.36 since Dec 6 – despite the S&P 500 Index on which the club is listed enjoying a two per cent per cent overall rise in that time. With the total valuation of the club at £1.75 billion on Dec 6, it had dropped to £1.53 billion during morning trading in New York yesterday. The drop in the club’s value dates back to early October. Although ­United’s share price rallied in late November, following the announcement of positive forecasts of annual turnover in quarterly accounts, the loss in value since early December has coincided with the team’s inability to break into the top four. United announced a 29.1 per cent rise in revenues for the first quarter of the year, but while forecasted revenue for the full year was £420-430 million, that figure was based on the assumption that the team would finish at least third in the Premier League this season and reach the Champions League quarter-finals." Things could get worse for the Glazers if they lose to Liverpool in the Prem and go out of Europe next week,and that scenario is a possibility. A longish run of mediocrity after two decades of success could have serious financial implications for United and the Glazers who have taken millions from the club in the past to service debts that they themselves incurred and to use for their own purposes .I agree with Hill-wood on this . We don't want that sort at Arsenal !

  69. Amos

    Mar 14, 2014, 17:48 #47412

    It's not me who came up with the fact that Wenger first tried to sign Ozil 3 years ago when he was considering the move to Real, Jeff. It was Ozil himself. Wenger has confirmed it too. You can make of that what you will but it's a matter of public record now.

  70. Ed BALLS

    Mar 14, 2014, 17:38 #47411

    Another nonsensical piece trying to absolve Wenger of blame by pretendign it's all the board's fault. Yeah. It was Josh Kroenke who signed Sanogo, it was Josh Kroenke who's gone 9 years trophyless, it was Josh Kroenke who lost a cup final to a relegated Brum, it was Josh Kroenke who went the season with a French carthorse in Giroud up front, it was Josh Kroenke who gave Diaby a new £60k a week contract, it was Josh Kroenke who called 4th place 'a trophy', it was Josh Kroenke who said he does not study the opposition and tactics, it was Josh Kroenke who LOST 8-2 at Old Trafford, it was Josh Kroenke who lost at Bradford etc etc bla bla

  71. Ron

    Mar 14, 2014, 17:33 #47410

    GH - Hi mate. I reckon thats part of Wenger being the lightning conductor. There have been a few times when the Board have hoisted the spotlight onto Wenger like that to get it off them. By the same token he does seem a tight wad and been liking bucking the trend of the spending need. I reckon trying to develop a creche full of 'top 4 ers'so often and for so long has made AW a man devoid of the nerve to work with types who would win the trophies you mention. Such players challenge a boss, argue too and AW has been so long free of all that, i cant think its within him to try it again at 66 while his salary is like that. It must have blunted his professional edge.The type of players we have cant provide it themselves like the invincibles did. None of them know how. There mainly 'virgins' in the trophy stakes and need nursing too much.

  72. Green Hut

    Mar 14, 2014, 17:21 #47409

    Alternatively, there are Stan Kroenke's actual words, from Sept 2013- “He (Wenger) has an absolute view on how he runs that team and the club. He has earned that right. Don’t look for me to interfere with that. I have learnt over the years that sometimes owners try do that and it is not so good. We’ve always said that there are resources available. There are guys who say that we should push Arsène harder to spend. That’s fair enough – there are always lots of opinions but Arsène is an independent thinker and planner”. Although re interference, if recent media reports are to be believed, Kroenke began in January to get as p****d off as the rest (or most of the rest) of us with Wenger's unnecessary and counter-productive parsimony. And quite why a £7.5m a year manager of one of the the richest football clubs in the world should need to be told that winning trophies is a vitally important aspect of his job is beyond me. Surely his personal and professional pride should tell him that.

  73. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 14, 2014, 17:13 #47408

    Stan, and i doubt it would come as a surprise, it might be closer than you think, in ways it has started already,

  74. jeff wright

    Mar 14, 2014, 17:13 #47407

    I think that Ozil was railroaded out of Madrid to us and never really had a chance to consider things properly . With it being a world cup season he needed playing time and Ancelotti made it clear that Ozil did not feature in his plans - and Perez's view of Ozil was that he was a waste of space. Only Amos could come up with it was all a plan of Arsene's who had been tracking Ozil for 3 years ! Wenger's age structure will always make it easy for us to sign young kids like Fabregas and AOC but impossible to keep them,so we are always in a state of transition. I'm not sure that things are so cosy now days between Stan and Wenger there are stories about them being at loggerheads over who has control over the buying and selling of players and Wenger,despite snidy Ivan's comments, has still yet to sign his new contract.

  75. Amos

    Mar 14, 2014, 17:12 #47406

    Stan won't be looking at it in the way you are jeff. As far as he's concerned he signed 3 players this season Sanogo, Flamini and Ozil for £42m - about 30% less than the average outlay in the previous seasons since he took control. He'll see that a result. It's Wengers problem whether Ozil fulfills his worth or not, or is an effective use of his budget, but so far we seem to be having a better season than we've had for a while so nobody in the boardroom is going to be concerned at all - certainly not as much as they might be feeling in the Spurs boardroom anyway. From Kroenke's perspective Ozil is a player who will still have some residual value by the time his contract enters the critical unprotected period. He'll be more than comfortable with that. As for ManU it most certainly is not depreciating in value at all. In fact it's value has multiplied enormously since Glazers took over. The leveraged debt will make it less comfortable than it might otherwise have been, which is why Kroenke has always been opposed to the practice, but financially they can cope with it well enough.

  76. Ron

    Mar 14, 2014, 17:03 #47405

    Jeff - There is force of argument in what you say too. No doubt, I tend to think there was a bit of 'sop' in the Ozil buy too. He looks though like he s not really wanting to be there to me.His body language is awful and i suspect a player or two there arent convinced hes brought anything much to the party. This 'injury' is perhaps a bit of rubbish to remove him from the bad place hes been in. Lets face it, Madrid to the Arsenal? Who would want that really. We re a great Club, but its like comparing a Ford Kuga to a new spec Range Rover. Oxil or not, the title wasnt ever on for me Jeff. Staying top for so long maybe took AW back a bit to be honest. Hes not daft, even though we think he shows to be at times. Hes tops for Arsenal in presenting a united face, but knows he s got players who arent title and CL winners. AW is a great 'politician'though and Mr Kroenke will love him for it as Amos rightly says. Hes the lightning conductor for him and his board, hence AW gets paid so much for being it. Arsenal just wanted top 4 as per the norm. The FAC will be a bit of rare window dressing for them if its grabbed.

  77. jeff wright

    Mar 14, 2014, 16:55 #47404

    Amos, I said that Stan would not be rubbing his hands with glee after wasting 42m on Ozil the biggest flop of the season. If he is then the man is crazy! Ozil was supposed to take us to another level remember? Cue another from you it will happen next season ( yawn). I would put money on it never happening, the guy is clearly just not interested and him and his Turkish girl friend will end up in Turkey long before his contract runs out. The Glazers are carrying massive debts on United and I doubt that if someone came in again right now with that big offer that they would turn it down. That of course will never happen with the club depreciating in value and the manager stuck with an ageing squad that need s big time investment in it to turn things around. Moyes himself of course on a huge 8 year multi-millions contract is another liability to anyone who might consider making an offer for United. He’s also a liability to the Glazers . They must wish it was still yesterday with old SAF standing watch on the touchline with stop-watch in hand and cowering refs and linos awarding United dodgy penalties while overlooking gbh being done by United players to opponents. C’est la vie!

  78. Ron

    Mar 14, 2014, 16:43 #47403

    Amos - .....'the coach who follows the Coach' ha. Yes. I know what you mean. Cd be, but thats where AW being on the board cd be a great help to a coach that follows him, esp if its a bright and spohisticated type like Martinez is. Wenger being there would stop any knee jerking if things go awry for a new Coach for a bit. Hed be the bulwark between tough times and director panic setting in. Unlike at Manure where your theory is very approriate and maybe dead on. Moyes is just a punch bag there while they adapt and clear the garbage out of the horrible place and wont last i guess.Lets hope for turmoil there for another 26 years!

  79. jeff wright

    Mar 14, 2014, 16:40 #47402

    Hi Ron, personally I can't see Wenger staying on in a up stairs role, he's very much a training ground coach who particularly likes developing young players . That's why we always have so many of them in our squad ,and one of the reasons why we never win anything. I can also see AOC being the next big money sale by Ivan ,that's the way he works and a leopard never changes its spots. AOC's agent will get big money offers made and the player will become 'unsettled',we have seen it all before and only the signing ofthe injured Kallstrum in the last window when we obviously needed reinforcements if we were to realistically challenge for the Prem showed that this parsimonious policy regarding squad building is set to continue under Stan and son . Ozil was a sop to supporters and the money was there down to Wenger not having spent it and part of it was from the sale of Gervinho . So again a touch of the old we have to sell before we can buy was involved.

  80. Amos

    Mar 14, 2014, 16:30 #47401

    Why would Stan be upset about the Ozil outlay jeff? He spent less this season than in either of the two previous seasons since he took control. Much of what I've been reading about Ozil since his injury is about how much we're going to miss our most effective maker of assists and creator of chances. Our 'flops' always seem to become 'indispensable' when they're not available. The Glazers were right to turn down the offer. United is still a massive revenue generating machine and one season out of the CL, uncomfortable though it must be, won't affect that greatly in the short term.

  81. Amos

    Mar 14, 2014, 16:17 #47400

    Ron - your mate had some great foresight. Even without necessarily foreseeing the impact Abramovich and Mansour might have had on the competitive landscape over that time. I think you've got it pretty well on the nose regarding Wenger. His particular skill set has definitely been more useful over the last 8 years or so than they will need to be over the next 5 years. Whatever happens he won't stay around much longer - a couple of years maybe. I can see a place for him on the board and I'd guess Kroenke would see some value in that. Whether that makes it tougher for the next guy or not I'm not sure. Whoever follows Wenger would have to get it right first time and if they do drop us out of a CL place they might not be allowed to recover from it. It may be better to be the coach who follows the coach who follows Wenger.

  82. jeff wright

    Mar 14, 2014, 16:08 #47399

    Amos, I find the notion that Stan is sitting rubbing his hands with glee after spending 42m on the biggest flop of the season Ozil to be rather amusing. You really do post some silly things. This however fits in perfectly with your other la la land musings. As for what would be an offer that Stan couldn’t refuse, well that would depend on circumstance ,that’s the way things happens in the real world . As the Glazers, who Stan so admires, have found to their cost after having turned down a good offer for United a couple of years ago that they would have been better off accepting. Now there is talk of United having to play friendlies abroad during next season to try and make good the 40m champions league money deficit . I doubt that Stan will make the mistake that Malcolm made if he is made a good offer for his shares in AFC .After all he only bought his shares to make cash out of them! As I said before though in football things can change very quickly and overnight in some cases as when Dein was ousted by Diamond Danny for selling shares to Stan . Danny boy though then went and sold his remaining ones to Stan , who according to his then hand-puppet Hill-Wood, was the sort that we don’t want At AFC. So I take nothing for granted where these sharks are concerned, only a deluded fool would do that.

  83. Ron

    Mar 14, 2014, 15:52 #47398

    Amos - I think AW will stay at Board level as you say. Whether thats good or not, im not sure Amos but he ll want to i suspect. When its all put in perspective and whatever all of our respective views on AW (the football coach) is, theres a surefire case to make that his years at the helm (as a 'general manager'/coach post stadium shift have been more successful than ever his Highbury years were. I and many feel this, but many cant accept it, as its only a commercial success, not a sporting one and the sporting 'shortfall' is and has been for some time tarnishing the commercial success now i feel.I think there have been quite a few years where AW himself has become frustarted with the conflicting position hes found himself in, but the perks of the job have kept him sweet. i think its been very tough for him, but as you say, its worn him down and tired him at his age. Ferguson never had such a dual role to perform at any time. He lacked the brains anyway to have done it had he have been asked to do so. I feel AW will stay for another year tops, just to see it through and into FFP territory and into the calmer waters of more money being there for a new Coach to inherit. It has to have taken a lot for a football man to dilute his base views on being a Coach to become a general manager. Not many cd or wd have done it. These posters on here who make derogatory comments on his personality and intelligence have none of their own. Arsenal do indeed make for a very unique debate on all things. A mate of mine said '10-15 years of no trophies after the ground shift'. He said this back in 2004. How apt.

  84. jjetplane

    Mar 14, 2014, 15:38 #47397

    RON On the same page there re the Ox. And the way he is picking up the accolades from the critical masses makes him a must buy for Barca or Bayern. Wenger will have already got Stan in on this and if Messi is moving for 200m at the season's end then the Ox may well be in the 40m bracket. Good player but well too good for this version of the football business. The yankies or the russians - we know who has the money now, and it ain't just China. Stan is a mere player in a football world that is looking east, not west. He will sell and thank his 'lucky stars'.

  85. Amos

    Mar 14, 2014, 15:12 #47396

    All a bit too Mystic Meg for me Jeff. I reckon AFC is a perfect fit for Kroenke. A big club who had sorely neglected the commercial side of the business, as Dein spent ages buffing his personal reputation while ManU polished their commercial appeal, leaving AFC ripe for Kroenke to bring that expertise into a club that had already sacrificed to build a revenue generating capital asset. For someone to make Kroenke an offer he can't refuse it would have to be way more than the club is valued at present and could be valued at in the foreseeable future. Why would anyone want to do that? It's not as if Stan needs the money. I think Kroenke is delighted to have Wenger at the club, which is why he leaves the football decisions only to Wenger and was happy to back his decision to buy Ozil just as he did when Wenger tried to sign him 3 years earlier. He must have been pleased they got their man in the end. Kroenke would desperately like to keep Wenger for a couple of years more at the club - even if only on the board - but I agree that Wenger may be tiring of it all and there's a chance he might call time this summer. Either way it's Wenger's decision to make. The bigger part of the job has been done so Stan will not think it impossible to bring a decent coach in though it won't be someone to do the same job Wenger has done.

  86. Ron

    Mar 14, 2014, 15:12 #47395

    Whether bull****e or not (it was in the Daily Bul****ter after all - and i dont mean the Mail!)how nice it was to read that Roberto Martinez has caught Arsenals attention for his work at Everton and as a potential successor to AW. An ideal candidate. The very thought of such change at the stale Club we all love was nice to see. Kroenke? He ll be selling once the debts are totally cleared. Almost a stick on cert.The share price will be staggeringly high, thanks to Wenger, the teams and the Clubs bog standard version (not the fans version) of success, provided it stays the same of ocurse.The worry now is that profitabilty of the Club isnt sustaining as theyve nobody left to sell at a significant value, but they ll hope Chamberlain will fill that void soon. Every strong performance he gives is edging him closer to the door under ths administration.

  87. jeff wright

    Mar 14, 2014, 14:35 #47394

    Amos, Stan has a couple of jokers in his hand rather than 4 aces .Personally I think he is out of his depth in England and European football which is very different to the USA version of affairs. Stan's been lucky so far with Wenger scratching about like a dog looking for a buried bone in his futile pursuit of the European holy grail, that this has resulted in at least a top 4 finish every season and the much needed TV cash from the CL with it . I get the impression though that it is not all happy families now at the club between Wenger and the Stan and Josh gang. Wenger is like Thatcher was ,he's not for turning, and he will grimly stick to having full control over who he buys, or doesn't buy. Stan is probably fed up with having to make late late panic buys to appease disgruntled supporters when it becomes obvious to everyone after a disastrous start that everything in the garden is not as rosy as Wenger claims. Stan will be off as soon as someone makes him an offer that he can't refuse,and that could be tomorrow or the twelfth of never. Wenger in my view is only 50-50 to still be morosely leading us next season.

  88. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 14, 2014, 14:25 #47393

    I doubt very much there would be/is, any one at the club who would speak to or even have the balls to speak to OGL like that it would be more likely to be the other way round as he is the boss the chief and the king he certainly believes he is anyway, and the way he protests at every decision on the pitch it would be hard to believe he'd leave the boardroom with out protest, his ego wouldn't allow it. Maybe it's OGL your really talking about, after all Arsene knows best.

  89. Amos

    Mar 14, 2014, 14:04 #47392

    I wasn't aware that I was painting a rosy picture of it all jeff! I'm simply pointing out that by far the best cards are in SK's hands. In order for him to make loot he'd be happy with the club has to enjoy continuing success. The more success AFC has the more money he can make. He may well ride away some day - everyone does eventually - but there's little reason for him to do so for a very, very long time. Chances are the Kroenke's will be around for some considerable time.

  90. James

    Mar 14, 2014, 13:54 #47391

    I would love it if the guy was really like that especially if he was like that towards the self-righteous AMG's at the meetings.I would love to just watch it and giggle. Hahaha.

  91. jeff wright

    Mar 14, 2014, 13:47 #47389

    Amos, any number of factors could impact on Stan's investment other than the rosy picture that you paint of it all . I will be surprised myself if Stan doesn't ride away with a last wave of his stetson and with a saddlebag full of ill-gotten loot hanging from his horse , but I will not be surprised if this is preceded by a period of continuing mediocrity before the happy event occurs.

  92. Amos

    Mar 14, 2014, 13:36 #47388

    Stan won't be worried what the shares are valued at. That's only a problem for Usmanov. If Usmanov has to sell quickly there's really only one buyer as Lady Nina discovered. He can trickle them out at a decent price via the Fanshare scheme but it would take many decades for him to unload them all via that route. Stan's sitting pretty. He can wait for a time he can pick up the shares at a price he wants to pay while controlling as and when any dividends are paid. In order for Usmanov to get anything out of his investment he's entirely in Stan's hands. Paying dividends too soon could just push the share price higher so he'll wait for a time when the sponsorship deals and commercial revenues justify it and then pay a dividend. There's little wrong with that if the revenues are good enough. The ManU shareholders, going back long before the Glazers, routinely paid dividends but it didn't hold them back. Nor should it if everyone else is playing by the same rules.

  93. jeff wright

    Mar 14, 2014, 13:19 #47386

    julesd, the share prices at AFC are artificially high due to the Usmanov factor, if he were to take a hit and sell them at a lower price than for what they currently are then this could impact on Stan's position. Stan borrowed the money that he invested in AFC and we don't know what the terms of engagement are in regard to his debt, other than him claiming that he would not pass it on to the club. Then again he refused to rule out paying himself a yearly dividend at some stage so that makes it all rather ambiguous regarding his true intentions . Usmanov has reportedly lost a fair amount of money recently and who knows what the future for him holds. Staying in the champions league every season is still a major factor in Stan's financial plans and with Wenger now no spring chicken, but more of an old turkey . Things will just remain the same as they are if Wenger does sign a new contract . This now looks like being dependent on him winning the same domestic cup that he last won way back in 2005 with him having failed lamentably to win the one major trophy that he craves and claimed that he wanted to win to leave as a legacy for others to emulate. I can't see the major investment that is clearly required for us to compete properly for top trophies being made under the current regime and the ageing lack lustre manager . No doubt as I said earlier a new owner/owners would soon be found if push comes to shove and the current shareholders do what the previous ones did and sell up , and that is where I see any hope of any new progress for the club being in the long run. I'm not bothered about what is going on at other clubs ,that's their problem and see this as I said before as just being an excuse of the bogeyman will get you type of scary stories that are told to kids to keep them quiet. You would expect older people to have a bit more perspective about it all.

  94. julesd

    Mar 14, 2014, 11:57 #47384

    To those of you unhappy with how Arsenal are currently managed, how about Alan Pardew/Pepe Mel/Mark Hughes/Harry Redknapp/ in charge & a debt similar to QPR's £177m to go into the future with? Take a good look around and see how many clubs are better run than ours.

  95. jeff wright

    Mar 14, 2014, 10:54 #47383

    Set budgets and a trust in Wenger scrapping 3rd or 4th in the Prem, to provide the cash-cow Champions League TV wonga are the only plans that Josh and co have .Everything else is routine sponsorship deals that any number of business execs could indulge in doing the lack. The of any on field success for donkeys years by Wenger has made this a bit more tricky of course . However , this hardly suggests that they are candidates for the Duke Of Edinburgh's Business Enterprise Award. These claims of a well run self sufficient company have been the excuses used to justify years of failure to win trophies. Josh and co say that we can't compete with these Arab oil owners and Russian oligarchs so lets just keep things steady and balance the books financially. The book balancing helped by regular doses of ticket price hiking and the sale of our best players is then claimed as being a success with moralistic claptrap being spouted that others should copy this . Albeit that the geographical location of our stadium , and the club's history, that have nothing to do with the current shareholders, play a major part in it, so how others in less salubrious circumstances can possibly do so is something that only Stan and co know. Also the scare stories about clubs going under by overspending are another excuse along with the world will end if Arsene departs .

  96. WENGER OUT

    Mar 14, 2014, 10:40 #47382

    An amusing piece Alex! Let's hope we can get rid of the unambitious Kroenke and those spineless idiots who just stay mum and collect their fat paychecks - unlikely though!

  97. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Mar 14, 2014, 9:21 #47380

    The notion of Wenger as cowed figure with a domineering boss setting his agenda is comical indeed. My guess would be the Kroenke's would be pretty laid back in board meetings. They're big picture guys. As long as a profit is being made...

  98. Ron

    Mar 14, 2014, 8:34 #47379

    Many a true word is said in jest. Good fun and well done!

  99. Amos

    Mar 14, 2014, 8:30 #47378

    "....if you boil it down, by just distilling the essence you may have a fragment of recognition which is endemic of one...." It's enough of a challenge to work out what this means! But I guess the essence is that the Kroenke's control what happens at AFC. No great surprise there then but it won't be controlled in such a crass manner because it serves no purpose. It'll all be far more subtle though ultimately no less complete. Sir Chips is allowed full reign to do all the inconsequential ornamental things that Chairmen do and Wenger will have full control over the football side and the football budget he has negotiated. The Kroenke's have full control in setting what that football budget should be through their budget controller IG. The good thing about having control for the Kroenke's is that they have no need to be crass about it - they already have the control hence don't need to make any noise. Money may talk but wealth usually whispers.