Yaya Sa-Go-Go

Online Ed – Arsenal beat Dortmund in disciplined display



Yaya Sa-Go-Go

Yaya meets his public


Whatever you say about Arsène Wenger, the man has the courage of his convictions. The crowd-pleasing option last night would have been to start Alexis Sanchez up front and draft Lukas Podolski or Joel Campbell into the starting eleven. But Yaya Sanogo started, to the dismay of many. The player found the net within two minutes of the kick off with a well-taken finish from the angle. There were problems on the tubes which resulted in many of the crowd arriving too late to see the goal. Unfortunately for them, Sanogo did very little else for his remaining time on the pitch, but hey, no-one can knock the guy for finally breaking his scoring duck. His goal, set up by the Ox, meant Arsenal could play a controlled match and wait for further opportunities rather than feel the need to force the pace.

And it was a far more disciplined display than we have seen lately, demonstrating that the team are capable of focusing on all aspects of a football match. Last season, aside from the aberration against Villa on the opening day, the players built on the experience of the culmination of 2012/13 and ensured leads remained leads, and at times played a waiting game. It augured well until old habits returned and they were punished severely by the top sides on the road. Ever since then, we have been waiting for signs that they can play more of the result football that at times proved necessary in the last couple of seasons.

One swallow certainly does not make a summer, but if the team play with similar focus, they should get results against West Brom and Southampton, which would go some way to quelling the current mood demanding change.

Dortmund are a shadow of the side they have been in recent seasons. Lewandowski has left, Reus, Hummels and Blaszczykowski are injured, and their poor showing in their domestic league is a clear sign the players that have come in are not of the same standard. Lewandowski left on a free transfer, so funds to replace like with like were not there. Even so, they did create a couple of very decent chances, but never looked likely to over-run Arsenal with their slick pass and move game as they had done in previous encounters. Ultimately, the Gunners’ finishing was simply better. Alexis’ goal another example of why the club desperately need to supplement the squad with quality to take advantage of the matches he can win for them by scoring and creating goals. In that sense, this season feels like an opportunity lost.

Dortmund should have enough about them to defeat Anderlecht in the final group game, which means Arsenal will face a group winner and hope that they are fortunate enough to avoid the likes of Barca, Real, Bayern and Atletico.

Short term, of more concern is the loss of Mikel Arteta, who joined Jack Wilshere on the sidelines. Flamini will come in to partner Ramsey, but whether or not that duo have the required solidity to help out the back four is very questionable. The lack of genuine defensive midfield options available to the manager means it is a case of make do and mend. So, it’s back to the usual wing and a prayer stuff, although at least the sight of Laurent Koscielny warming up on the touchline should give cause for optimism, although how many games he will be able to play between now and the end of the season is another one for speculation. Frankly, Arsenal are beginning to look a bit threadbare, a wholly avoidable situation. Abou Diaby, anyone? Oh, what’s that you say? He’s injured again? Surely not? If Wenger gives him another contract he’ll be due a testimonial next season…

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  1. KC

    Nov 30, 2014, 19:50 #62298

    No agenda against GG just a fan that appreciates great football in his hey day Wenger gave it to us to a level far above what GG ever managed.

  2. Ron

    Nov 30, 2014, 17:33 #62284

    I never said any of GGs players played in AWs so called invincible s team. As for the great players who left and being replaced by donkeys, do i need to sasy who replaced Campell Toure and Co? Do i need to go into Almunia Silvestre and Senderos and the host of other dismal donkeys Wengers allowed to pitch camp at Arsenal? Youve clearly got an agenda v GG. Try 6 trophies in 8 years including a top Euro Trophy and see if that can clear yr head and open up yr mind to the obvious comparisons that can be made.To say that a comparison cant apply is with all due respect rather stupid KC. Im aghast at the 'blend of offensive and defensive'to be honest. AW hasnt achieved that since 2006 and then he had Keown helping him out.

  3. KC

    Nov 30, 2014, 16:44 #62279

    Ron utter disbelief that you can actually compare GG to Wenger. GG got lucky with timing his reign was between Liverpools dominance and Utds dominance, the football under GG just does not compare to Wengers. Yes he did have young players like Rocky, M Tomas, etc but he replaced these with Hillier, Jenson, Selley, Carter to name but a few of the rubbish GG turned to. Wengers time has gone but GG started brightly but changed and slowly went downhill. For the record the invincibles defence was Toure, Lauren, Cole and Campbell, no GG players at all and how ever bad Wenger gets he won't take bung. I am as frustrated as the next fan with Wenger but I was there watching under GG and am still there watching under Wenger and the best football, players, style and respect all came with Wengers teams but then I like my football played on the ground with a good blend of defensive and offensive, I like to teams to open up others not defend and destroy I appreciate that Wenger has totally lost the balance but I dread the day that AFC go back to the dire GG football.

  4. Hiccup

    Nov 30, 2014, 6:52 #62256

    I can't believe the "Chelsea couldn't beat Sunderland" line hasn't been trotted out yet. That's usually the starting point for the AKB's. Saying that, it's also usually the finishing point of their argument.

  5. DW Thomas

    Nov 30, 2014, 1:34 #62255

    Ron, agree with you on GG. Tough lads, and only Cole, as you make a great point, has developed and lasted here and at Chelsea and flourished into a great defender. Maybe it's because he had the talent and grew with a great group of players who mentored him. Cesc, RVP, Clichy, Nasri, all good players or great, but jumped ship and mostly didn't stomach a fight. Sure, they won elsewhere like Cole, but none have been the best at their position like him, save maybe Cesc now. I miss AKB General GBP the most. Despite his truest efforts to sound intellectual and sincere, he still towed the party line of Wenger can do no wrong. Glad to see that well made banner. It really does say it all. But, muppets like Jamie who should do stand up with all their jokes on here, keep Wenger in a job. You should hear the posters on Arseblog. I can barely read it any more. Once in awhile they question things, but give them a win and its back to defending their emperor. Lets maybe measure the last ten years versus the best teams. If you take that one stat, the manager and club have failed miserably. No wins inthe last 15 games vs. United alone. Today's win, while good and wanted, was mainly due to Weat Bromnot being able to set up like other teams against us. And their 2 CBs have seen their best days already. When Brown and O'Shea were at United, they mostly owned us. Sanchez too looked tired and now more injuries. But hey we'll buy "at least one player" in the window! I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it....

  6. Unchives

    Nov 29, 2014, 23:36 #62254

    @ Jamie, there were no AKBs because they were @ home on a PC. What happened to Badarse & his cat....maybe he was holding the banner.

  7. JAMIE

    Nov 29, 2014, 23:14 #62253

    Those banner boys look a sad bunch of losers.Lucky they weren't near any akb's or it could have been a blood bath.Lucky escape this time weirdos.

  8. Ron

    Nov 29, 2014, 22:46 #62252

    KC - you can have what you want mate and its each to their own. GGs best yrs spanned a full half of his tenure. He won 2 great titles and a Cup. He so called bad years harvested 2 Cups and a euro trophy. Wengers so called great football spanned 3 of his 19 years. 2002 - 2004. The team of 97-2000 was based on GGs expertise and players in the main. Players who were hard and who played with guts and didnt shirk a fight. All his teams, good and bad were tough. I can only assume that you never watched football much in his time. GG also used many players who we successfully produced and who win top trophies. The great Wenger young player emphasis has produced Ashley Cole. The rest have all been crap to average. Yr comments on Wenger arent out of place in the Central command bible as lectured on by the Prophet Badarse, who im pleased to see has taken a crafty peek from behind the door and tentatively put his toe back in the water again and look s like emerging all the way from behind the door soon, once hes sure he wont get caught in cross fire again. (Assuming its the real Badarse and not an poster)i have my suspicions. Wengers football for the last 7 yrs at least has been f----g tedious, weak, half hearted, and played by weaklings who wouldnt get near the real top teams. Have yr preference by all means but dont distort the facts to suit yr story. We ve all had enough of that sh--te from OGL for the last decade. Wenger out. Board out. COYG. Well done and thank you to the guy with todays banner. Never were truer words spoken.

  9. Unchives

    Nov 29, 2014, 22:36 #62251

    @GN23, just a bit prickly, he knows the pressure is on, utter respect for the boys that put it up, and this is just the start. Shape up or move out. TIME TO DELIVER!

  10. gn23

    Nov 29, 2014, 22:25 #62250

    Yes, two wins and two clean sheets. However, will never be convinced under this current regime/manager. Fair play to the fans who unveiled that banner..Arsene was a bit prickly when questioned about it!!

  11. Unchives

    Nov 29, 2014, 22:22 #62249

    @ Peter Tinker-bell Pan, You should be planning your game tomorrow with Jamie, with the fire and everything else. Did you see the anti- Wenger banner @ Westbrom, you may have missed it, only 6ft long and on national TV! Can I have some of your tinsel, apparently it makes everything look make believe.

  12. peter pan

    Nov 29, 2014, 22:13 #62248

    I've carried out a survey which asks the question whether Jeff Right would do better or worse than Arsene Wenger......99% reckons he's a tosser...the other 1% said they liked Mr right.

  13. Ken

    Nov 29, 2014, 22:04 #62247

    Maguiresbridge- Frank will never get a statue as the vast majority of nerds and geeks that inhabit the soulless bowl these days have no idea that he was the man that transformed himself from a serial loser into the captain of a serial winning club through sheer willpower. Wenger already has his statue because he has convinced most fans that second best is what we aspire to.

  14. Unchives

    Nov 29, 2014, 21:50 #62246

    @ Jamie, im sure you have heard Wenger's interview and the journalist asking him regarding he anti-wenger banner.Dont trust your poll.Your boys match is tomorrow anyway.

  15. Unchives

    Nov 29, 2014, 21:07 #62245

    Good performance by the boys, deserved points despite them hitting the bar. Lets hope we can build some kind of run.

  16. KC

    Nov 29, 2014, 20:41 #62244

    I am very much in the Wenger out camp now, but please can we stop this we used to be hard and had a great spirit under GG. We played crap mind numbing football under him(except at the start of his time with us)with a midfield that was as shocking as you could ask for at the end. Under Wenger we have seen football so good it made GG teams look average. Wengers time is up as football moves on but this, it used to be mans game is so sadly British and a reason we fail internationally. Regards 5 top players Henry, Paddy, DB10 Liam and Cesc the fact that four come from Wengers time says an awful lot sadly our manager thinks football now is played only with the ball which is his Achilles heel. The last two wins still highlight the absolute need of a central defensive midfielder its so obvious and so frustrating.

  17. JAMIE

    Nov 29, 2014, 20:38 #62243

    I conducted an online poll straight after the West Brom game and it's now officially 80% in favour of Wenger staying.I also asked them what they would like to see more of on the Online Gooner and the top answer was//Hapless wobs playing out various situation comedy sketches//.More updates later.

  18. jjetplane

    Nov 29, 2014, 19:12 #62242

    Don't forget to light the candles and put your red and white Wimples on. any problems - see Jamie at security.

  19. AKB Central

    Nov 29, 2014, 19:04 #62241

    Router on - check, wifi on - check. Testing 1 2 3. Testing 1 2 3

  20. jjetplane

    Nov 29, 2014, 18:27 #62240

    Saw an amazing pic of Frank yesterday when he scored his first goal against Stoke with a header. Got off the pitch and found out he was a daddy. Top Jock. Got that one of him painting the goalposts framed.

  21. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 29, 2014, 17:37 #62239

    Ken, well said, and because he's thought so much of, and more popular than the old fraud himself he will probably never get one.

  22. Ken

    Nov 29, 2014, 16:49 #62238

    Seven Kings Gooner- Wonderful post, the man above all others whose statue would make the soulless bowl a little less soulless.

  23. Badarse

    Nov 29, 2014, 16:39 #62237

    SKG, yes, yes, yes, yes and yes.

  24. Seven Kings Gooner

    Nov 29, 2014, 15:46 #62236

    My top five Arsenal players is easier : 1. Frank 2. Mclintock 3. Arsenal's double winning captain in 1971. 4. Arsenal's Fair's Cup winning Captain 1970. 5. The guy who at seventy years of age went into a corporate box to sort out a "Spud" who was far too lippy for his own good!

  25. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 29, 2014, 15:04 #62235

    jj, yes we're going to win it now, and you missed the large banner and a very professional one at that (not a bed sheet)wanting the old fraud out. Well done all those fans who aren't taken in by a win against the mighty brom.

  26. jjetplane

    Nov 29, 2014, 14:44 #62234

    Really looking forward to some philosophy and a few numbers. Well done AKBs You are back and you are 4th. Bring it ****ing on! Triple back on or maybe a bit early. Still - 4th is 4th and I am really whelmed about it. Anyone know what colours the Baggies were wearing. Only got a bit on the radio at work. Right - now I am off for some proper football and I foresee 2 reds and at least a half dozen yellows. Opposition have history ... JAMIE you can have the weekend off mate. Giant.

  27. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 29, 2014, 13:31 #62233

    Mike Collins, hard do disagree with those, always liked DOL myself, impossible to answer today. I penned an article last season about out of the current crop who we thought would go on and become legends like the guys you mentioned as you can expect there wasn't many. Another Question I asked at the time was which player would we genuinely hate to see go and shed any tears over? again none, if the same question was posed today? maybe Sanchez, says it all really.

  28. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 29, 2014, 13:05 #62232

    BardUncive, and in his Y,Fronts so jumpers that's how you'll know him. r/k, what colour did they play in.

  29. Bard

    Nov 29, 2014, 12:56 #62231

    Mike; so many to chose from. i would go for Dennis, Brady, Paddy, Henry and Frank Mcclintock

  30. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 29, 2014, 12:51 #62230

    WeAreBuilding, thanks for those stats we haven't had them on here for quite a while, but i'm sure all that will change after this afternoon. Gaz, and the sooner the better.

  31. Ozzie

    Nov 29, 2014, 1:58 #62229

    I was really disappointed when Carlos Vela left and always felt he would develop into a top player. His 3 goals for Real Sociedad yesterday is yet another reminder of Wenger's ineptitude. RIP Phillip Hughes.

  32. John F

    Nov 29, 2014, 0:29 #62228

    Mike, great players Def Brady,Henry and Dennis with Brady being my no1. I was always a big fan of Jimmy Rimmer he kept us from being relegated in 75. Great goalie in a poor team and the last one for me Ian Wright.Comparing Brady with our midfield players today is like comparing Paul Weller to Jedward.It always puzzled me why Terry Neils Arsenal underachieved in the league back then maybe the cup runs just took it out of them,

  33. Th14afc

    Nov 28, 2014, 21:33 #62227

    Mike Collins- I agree Alexis is the only 1 player currently that we have who I consider world class....hopefully a gunners legend in the making!

  34. Th14afc

    Nov 28, 2014, 21:07 #62226

    Jeff wrong-still talking bull i see

  35. Ron

    Nov 28, 2014, 19:55 #62224

    Mike - only a few years younger than you mate. Honest answer. I wdt dignify the question by giving an answer as it would mean accepting that theres some sort of worthy comparative or even just a worthy connotation of Wengers players now with those titans youve mentioned there which cant be so, in short. None. As for Sanchez, for all we know he might be a flash in the pan too. I j=have a job squezzing any of these lightweights in to our teams of the mid 60s even to be perfectly honest and Sanchez is in no way getting in before Joe Baker!!

  36. Mike Collins

    Nov 28, 2014, 19:45 #62223

    A Spurs-supporting colleague asked me for my top-five Arsenal players the other day - just a part of work banter. The first five names off the top of my head were: Pat Jennings; Liam Brady: David O'Leary; Dennis Bergkamp; Thierry Henry. I'm 60, so some of those will be before a lot of people's time but can anyone name five current players, apart from the brilliant Sanchez, at the same level? Genuine question!

  37. radfordkennedy

    Nov 28, 2014, 19:33 #62222

    we are building a team...remember some great games against WBA,Tony Brown,Asa Hartford et al,a mystery why they werent more succesful....John F...Supermac scored one of the most technically brilliant goals ive ever seen against Sheff Utd,the ball was slid into his path from behind him and to his right,he let the ball run across him and without breaking his stride hit it first time with his left foot into the bottom corner,absolute mustard mate i think its on the 501 dvd.

  38. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Nov 28, 2014, 18:59 #62221

    JAMIE - can you post a cheeky little picture of yourself please? That way, I can run a mile if I ever have the misfortune to sit next to you at a match. It's just that, once you realise that I'm a "WOB Gregorian" I'm afraid you'll give me a wedgie or even a Chinese burn when I offer up any criticism of Herr Wenger's tactical ineptitude.

  39. BardUncive

    Nov 28, 2014, 18:58 #62220

    John F; at present I can't see what Sanogo's got going for him. He looks like he can't get his body in the right positions. He is sometimes so ungainly that its embarrassing. i know he's young and may well turn out to be a superstar but do you learn your trade playing up front for a championship challenging team. I use that term loosely. I do remember superman and rather liked his direct style. If my memory serves me he was pretty quick by the standards of yersteryear.Baddie you're alive. I was worried you had f***** off down the lane in some bizarre form of atonement. While you have been gone Jamie has been fighting on all fronts, some of his posts have been really funny. I think he may well turn out to be a fabulous recruit for the wob 1st Team in time.

  40. jjetplane

    Nov 28, 2014, 18:02 #62219

    Wenger has said Sanogo has 'problems' and Theo Theo Theo well you know JW, Ozil, Arteta, Diaby .... so has anyone watched the U19s play Chelski's kids. They could have had ten while Sanogo has competition as one Arsenal lad missed so many he was kept on for the duration. A familiar Wenger tactic 'feel the pain/feel the beauty...' Probably injured now anyway. Arsenal Medical Centre is to be upgraded to full Hospital status with cloning and transplant facilities. Dr Vinegar tells us 'the mental strength of our nurses and doctors is only matched by their spirit.' Back to Jamie with the latest weather .......

  41. John F

    Nov 28, 2014, 17:30 #62218

    Great to see Saonegoal score. I hope i am proved wrong but he still does not convince me he is prem quality.Anyone remember how good the rarely mentioned Supermac was. Even with a dodgy knee and bow legs he still scored 42goals in 84 matches for us 29 in his first season.He once said that he would shoot at the goal as many times as he could as he knew one of them would go in.Wonder how he would have fitted in with tippy tappy football.I don't think his social life would have gone down to well either as I remember Terry Neil sending him and Alan Hudson home from a tour for one late night to many.I think he went on to start a burger take away chain although I might be wrong on that one.

  42. Badarse

    Nov 28, 2014, 16:43 #62217

    Be Bo!

  43. Gaz

    Nov 28, 2014, 16:39 #62216

    Oh dear, I'm going to agree with those who suggest if you're unhappy about the quality of posting either post something worthy of discussion or go somewhere else! Of course its all so bleedin repetative-thats the main reason some of us want change!!! Consider this. If/when/hopefully Wenger goes the discussion will turn to his legacy, his replacement, and the futuire in general. Don't know about you lot but I cant wait for those discussions!!!...

  44. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Nov 28, 2014, 16:22 #62215

    our record at the Hawthorns since 1976/77: W 10 D 7 L 1 in the league. Make of that what you will. My dad still tells me about an FA Cup tie that he went to there back in the early 1960's, a 3-3 draw. I remember the mid-70's and early 80's where we always got a result there, but hardly ever beat them at Highbury.

  45. Roy

    Nov 28, 2014, 16:22 #62214

    Nice one, Tony. Couldn't have put it better myself.

  46. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 28, 2014, 16:13 #62213

    Bard, good post, you beat me to it, yes debate what exactly? the embarrassments? the humiliations? excuses? players played out of position? past it manager etc, etc, etc, it's fans like the two you've mentioned who still like to keep having cosy debates about everything even though they know why their happening, and the cause of them maybe if there were something done and less cosy debates by fans like them about the bloody obvious over the years and more minds spoken like there are on here there would have been far less of the above.

  47. Tony Evans

    Nov 28, 2014, 15:59 #62212

    Bard - well said mate. I only wish there was something new about Arsenal that we could debate. The usual verbal diet of the last umpteen years of who's injured now; where's the defence gone; are we going to finish 4th or not and which team is going to thrash us in the CL last 16 is becoming a tad boring. It's only the gallows humour and sharing my frustrations with so many others that keeps me interested.

  48. Bard

    Nov 28, 2014, 15:22 #62211

    Goonecolesyboy:.staplehurst gooner. Very good points. Remind me what there is exactly to debate about. Arsenal will win the league or CL? Been done. Arsenal going anywhere other than 4th, been done. It's Arsenal Plc these days been done. Diary injured again been done. If the site's content doesn't interest you, write something worthy of debate. Much of the attempts at humour here are attempts to alleviate the repetitive boredom of watching reruns of Groundhog Day football. Look forward to reading a really gripping positive and informative analysis from one or other of you. What pisses me off on this site isn't the humour, on the contrary I enjoy it, but posters like you who offer absolutely nothing. Put up or shut up

  49. Hiccup

    Nov 28, 2014, 15:17 #62210

    Never mind the starting line up, anyone know what chewing gum Bouldy uses?

  50. JAMIE

    Nov 28, 2014, 15:06 #62209

    I did notice eight out of ten wobs have whiskers yet only one in ten had their own teeth.Now lets get back to the serious debate about what the starting line up will be tomorrow.

  51. Hiccup

    Nov 28, 2014, 14:05 #62208

    Our survey asked 100 AKB's what their favourite topic of debate was. You said, Star Wars. Our survey said....? "uh-uh". The top answer was...? "We are better than Spurs". Yes, a lot of scope for adult debate there isn't there.

  52. jjetplane

    Nov 28, 2014, 14:02 #62207

    I think this site has degenerated into a foul sea of belligerence and smugness which uncannily reflects the present state of Arsenal. Still, it's only the Baggies next in whatever colours they play in and though they may have a 12th man in their vociferous middle northern mobbist following I firmly believe as most parties to the right do that the Royal Arsenal will give them a damn good thrashing and post lots of tweets to pompously celebrate such a well sublime slaughter. If, on the other hand, said savages of hinterland 2 harbour ...... no more! Anyone off to Tesco's for some aggro?

  53. jeff wright

    Nov 28, 2014, 14:01 #62206

    Jamie,I was just poking fun at your absurd choice of managers that you were using to refute the suggestion that one could do better with us than only one trophy in the last 9 years Arsene has done. I made an easy to spot mistake in my typing out of the points I was making that a better lawyer than Rumpole of the Ale-ie would have made better use of. You wouldn't want him defending you on a charge of tax evasion ! I sugggest that you calm down now after the excitement of Arsene at last winning a game and try and consider the points of view of others who have more experience of football and of life than you obviously have . We really are just playing for 4th place ,no one is making this up to annoy you ,if this is all that Arsene can achieve after 19 long years then that is not really anything to use to claim that he can not be replaced with out catastrophe befalling us .

  54. Staplehurst Gooner

    Nov 28, 2014, 13:16 #62205

    @goonecolesyboy, you've hit the nail on the head there. If you want a proper debate don't bother here as all you'll get is opposite sides lampooning each other like schoolboys (the references to stormtroopers, ewoks and other Star Wars fantasy nonsense really does take the biscuit fellas). It does seem that there is a cartel of users who want to gang up together to complain about any inkling of a defence of Wenger: are you self appointed site moderators? Some want us to lose, most don't. Some want AW to stay, most don't. My childish comments are better than yours,no they're not............and so it goes on and on and on and on. Where is the proper, informed, adult debate? Where can anyone speak without being rubbished? Opinions are just that and too many of the posters here have respect for no one's opinion but their own. And then they start congratulating each other on it. Now where have we seen that before?

  55. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 28, 2014, 13:13 #62204

    Apparently Klopp has confided in close friends that the first thing he's going to do is change the outlay of the dressing rooms.

  56. jjetplane

    Nov 28, 2014, 13:11 #62203

    8 out of 10 cats would prefer Wenger to **** off down the lane while 2 out of 10 cats preferred Whiskas for it's mental strength and spirit. WOB cats are Top Cats!

  57. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 28, 2014, 13:01 #62202

    goonercolseyboy, great post well said.

  58. Hiccup

    Nov 28, 2014, 12:58 #62201

    Nice one jeff. Best keep the primary school questions simpler for our dear AKB's like what is 4th plus 4th plus 4th ad infinitum = job for life. Or how about a multi choice question? Arsenal are 3-0 up with half hour left. How many goals must the opposition score to turn this in to a bad result? Is it a)3 goals, b)4 goals, c)8 goals or d)it doesn't matter how many because blind loyalty never sees a bad result?

  59. JAMIE

    Nov 28, 2014, 12:53 #62200

    jeff you've just admitted 99% thought Ancelotti would do worse and your poll wasn't even legitimate like mine, rubber stamped by Stanley Wig's Official Arsenal FC Cooperation.I think it's time you finally gave yourself a break,found a charming wobbette and took your pet MARCUS for a holiday at the seaside.

  60. jeff wright

    Nov 28, 2014, 12:26 #62199

    Ah ! Well done for spotting the deliberate mistake. No prize for doing so but your perseverance in patience deserves a mention. Yawn. The answer to your question however is that the 1% had no opinion - it's not rocket science to work that out is it ? Spoilt papers and all that .The other 99% of course thought that Ancelotti might do better than just 4th place every season and one FAC in 9 years. Then again so would most likely some other managers as well.

  61. Rumpole

    Nov 28, 2014, 9:17 #62198

    99% of people thought that Ancelotti would do better or worse. Hmmm... what exactly did the other 1% think?

  62. jeff wright

    Nov 28, 2014, 9:15 #62197

    I carried out a survey asking how many people thought that Arsene Wenger would win the European Cup or Prem this season or next or the one after... and no one thought that he would do.I did another survey asking if Ancelotti would do better or worse than Wenger if he replaced him and 99% thought that he would.

  63. Hiccup

    Nov 28, 2014, 8:55 #62196

    Totally agree with colesyboy (if he's okay with me agreeing and it doesn't infringe the site rules). Too many on here have the same opinion. Look at Jamie up Baddies arse asking for more of his comedy sketches. Westie and Peter Pan cut from the same cloth. It's killing the site. So what's needed is people with different opinions. Oh, but then there's too much negativity? Just cut to the chase and tell us you don't mind everyone agreeing as long as it's pro wenger agreements.

  64. JAMIE

    Nov 28, 2014, 8:55 #62195

    In a 2012 survey which I independently carried out through AKBSRUS asking fans who wanted Wenger out who they would like to replace him and David Moyes received the most votes to become the new Arsenal manager. In 2013 I conducted another survey and Her Klopp was now top of their list.I have just finished counting up the votes for the 2014 survey and it appears the man the wobs want to take us forward is Alan Pardew.

  65. Charlie George Orwell

    Nov 28, 2014, 8:24 #62194

    Thanks for that, goonecolesyboy. And particular thanks for not telling us to f**k off down the lane. I’m typing this while holding a sandwich in the other hand. Beat that, Bouldy!

  66. goonecolesyboy

    Nov 28, 2014, 0:45 #62193

    Not been on for a while now as the boring negativity was tiresome. Good to see nothing has changed. Most on here do nothing but stroke each others ego in agreement.

  67. johnnyhawleyloveinggooner

    Nov 27, 2014, 23:32 #62192

    Could be facing any team as clubs from a country can't face a club from same country or some one you played in group stage .the thing is to qualify or has the rules changed?.well it was put up to the team and they played really well.do not accept the idea B.D. did not really care.perhaps they can stagger on to January.however there are still very big problems.

  68. GoonerRon

    Nov 27, 2014, 23:09 #62191

    Good win, a better balanced performance. We needs lots more of those please.

  69. Ron

    Nov 27, 2014, 22:57 #62190

    Ha. Hiccup, you do make me laugh. 65561. Its the horizontally outstretched arms that does me in. Its an outward gesture thats supposed to convey disgust yet in Wengers context it means, 'im aghast, im lost, im a victim, im clueless, what can i do, so help me'As a player his body language is so debilitating and has been for years. Its ever likely we ve a Captain that cries 'its not fair' when hes just been beaten. Its makes me sick. Other Clubs have been feeding off it for years to our disadvantage.

  70. JAMIE

    Nov 27, 2014, 22:45 #62189

    Where is BADDIE I do miss his situation comedy sketches featuring certain bumbling wob characters his graphic description of jeff wright still makes me chuckle.Also I have noticed that that there appears to be 40% who are undecided whether they want Wenger in or out.After the manure game 70% wanted Wenger out yet the same survey was conducted after yesterdays game and only 30% now want him gone.

  71. Ron

    Nov 27, 2014, 22:40 #62188

    DW - Hi mate. Cesc wouldnt be producing that form in a red shirt. In any team sport, however good or bad a player is, he made better by having top performers around him/her. Cesc F is a top lad in his right but look at some of those team mates hes got. You and me would be making a decent fist of playing midfield with them next to us, especially so with a Manager that makes his players want to run through walls for him. He made exactly the right choice going there. Had he have come to AFC odds on he d be injured now with stress injuries due to the burden of not only being over played but also by having to carry so many average players, just like he did in his first stint. He got out of AFC the first time at the exactly the right time. I fear for what would have become of him had he have stayed. All this bollox about Wenger not exercising the option. Mate, Fabregas wasnt coming back to Arsenal. He s not daft. The choice might have been contractually Wengers but Fabregas was never going to wear it happening. Wengers a sneaky lying toad too allowing fans to think he was the arbiter of Cecs choice. He so wasnt.

  72. DW Thomas

    Nov 27, 2014, 22:13 #62187

    Cesc's comments about coming to Chelsea to win trophies and playing the best football of his career is sad to hear, yet I'm happy for him. I keep coming back to him, I know, but it represents to me all the issues at our club and with our manager. The rain analogy is a good one. We've had sun, even some good sunny runs, but the rain always returns. Especially the hurricanes against top opponents when things are on the line. Even Birmingham was a tornado towards us in the CC. It's like we have our own rain machine if we get too good, Arsene turns it on and we're all wet again. Problem is other clubs have perpetual sunshine. A few drizzles now and then, but nothing like our torrential downpours. At least I bought my Arsenal poncho so I can be dry when it's time to "cheer the team for a win!" Maybe I'll even need my Arsenal sunscreen and shades when we hit the big time! I won't be holding my breath...

  73. Hiccup

    Nov 27, 2014, 21:21 #62186

    mg, the point is wenger will have spent all week tactically drilling the team what is expected. All scenarios will have been covered. For instance, if we are 3-0 up against a crappy team, the lads will have been instructed what needs to be done to close the game out. If we are 1-0 down to say a different crappy team, again there will be a strategy preplanned for the team to follow. If wenger and Bouldy start flapping around on the touchline it can only cause confusion? All this instructing from the touchline is left for poor managers like fat Sam that haven't sent their teams out prepared. We don't want to see wenger trying to communicate via sign language like hoddle where no one knows what he's trying to convey. Or pointing both index fingers to the sides of the head. What the **** does that mean? Wenger is better off left doing what he does best. Booting the water bottle about and remonstrating with the 4th official for the whole 90 minutes. And wenger certainly won't want to be upstaged by Bouldy, who knows his place.

  74. Jason B

    Nov 27, 2014, 21:10 #62185

    Diaby and Wilshire.They breakdown as often as each other. Should not get offered anything resembling a new contract and should be sold to the nearest scrap yard.

  75. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 27, 2014, 20:36 #62184

    Hiccup, good one, laugh of the evening, seriously I still have respect for bouldy an Arsenal legend,( even with the jokes that have been doing the rounds) but he's doing his reputation and legacy no favours at all, but that's what's happens when you become involved with that old fraud.

  76. jjetplane

    Nov 27, 2014, 19:45 #62183

    According to long range meteorological forecasts the rain will be with us right up and through January. From then on in the Holloway area there will be just an insipid drizzle with occasional downpours of downright smugness. These will clear to allow intermittent sunshine breaks which will enable the downright smugness to make the occasional three point hay margin. Now over to the the news at AKB central.com 'can you hear us Jamie/your final is weak.... put down your WoBS and come out.... we appear to have lost Jamie but we do have an outbreak of smugness in the Holloway .... 'what would you like to say to Mr Usmanov after the recent win courtesy of the national French post office ...

  77. Ron

    Nov 27, 2014, 19:44 #62182

    Rocky - good points as ever mate and well made too. The rain analogy is apt as well as funny! Thats just it though isnt it. Any bout of good Arsenal weather you just know will herald a big let down dousing of disappointing weather. Its as if we insulate ourselves from the disappointing weather by saying oh well, it ll be cold soon so why enjoy the sunshine etc etc as you say. Dare i say it mate but we ve become Tottenham and us lot are becoming quasi Tottenham thinking type fans. For 50 odd years theyve known that their team will be a big damp squib and let down catastrophically just when logic suggests they shouldn't, so what do they do? They look at each win in a distrusting light and then when the let down comes they say oh well its Tottenham, same old same old while on the other hand shout COYS! We re torn Rocky, psychologically damaged in a football sense. Its Wengers fault and the Club is his co conspirator for spinning the web of deceit for so long. We re pleased w ve seen through it but saddened that we have type of thing.

  78. Unchives

    Nov 27, 2014, 19:28 #62181

    @ Rocky Rip - this site is now dominated by WOB, we have had enough and we are trying to expedite change for Arsenals sake. One match, two matches, 3 months at the top makes no difference.For the Jamie's of this world they can go to "Untold Arsenal" AISA. sponsored by Arsenal PLC. Their words "Untold Arsenal was set up by Tony Attwood in February 2008 as a mechanism for countering the eternally negative comments of other bloggers" Like all negative comments are wrong or should be censored! Why do the AKBs constantly come on here telling us Black is White....Go to AKB Central and be happy, or maybe deep down they know we are right!

  79. Rocky RIP

    Nov 27, 2014, 19:10 #62180

    @ Ron - I hear you loud and clear. I get it. @ Unchives - I get it. Always have down. In answer to your should we base our opinions on a match by match basis or the last 8 years - I'd say both. That's my point. People jump on a bad performance, and rightly so, but if credit is given for a good one people get leapt upon. I'm in no way suggesting all our ills are cured by one performance. Why for example has it taken a string of dire results for Per to re-sharpen his focus after the world cup hangover? It should be there already. I'm just staggered that our fans have such difficulty acknowledging a good performance. And yes, that solid, more disciplined approach should be there already, not some reaction to some comedy defensive performances. Anyone who does point out anything positive is leapt upon. I guess some on here would rather it rained every day as they'd have nothing to moan about otherwise. 'Lovely day, isn't it?' ... 'Yes, but it'll rain in two days time.' Hence why some more rational and circumspect posters have cleared off.

  80. Ron

    Nov 27, 2014, 19:09 #62179

    Bard - be careful mate. Im thinking central command have just gone into a sort of make believe hibernation to be honest. They ve sent Jamie out as a type of stalking horse or decoy of course due to Westie having been laid low by stress after his one man rearguard the other week. Badarse is tending the flock there with his brand of Chaplaincy and arm round the shoulder massage as he stands shoulder to shoulder of course with ..... well anybody whos shoulder is there to stand with. Hes a massive task explaining to them that their faith just seems like its gone when in fact the world is changing and they need new horizons and visions to meet his own stratospheric moral levels. Once all are bolstered expect a new offensive mate. A draw even v WBA will see their mental strength re ignited, their desire and focus regained. Handbrake cables will be cast away as they ll be no longer short, theyll be ready and armed once all are fit. Badarse will muster all of his troops and central command s philosophy will once more run amok. Forget the lunacy and irrationality of it, they ll be back, firing off shots randomly hoping some will stick.

  81. TJ

    Nov 27, 2014, 19:05 #62178

    @Spaced the point is that it's prolonging Wenger's failure of a reign. Enjoy the win, sure, if you like, but those who are uninterested or want the team to lose have in mind the prospect of winning trophies and being successful. If you define 4th place as a trophy then celebrate all you like.

  82. Hiccup

    Nov 27, 2014, 19:03 #62177

    I can't go along with all this Bouldy knocking. The guy sits out there in a pair of shorts come rain or shine, while some of the players on the pitch are wrapped up better with snoozes and gloves. Vik Akers likewise. I've always been impressed with that. Must be freezing their bollox off, and you guys want them to concentrate on the football? Perspective, please...

  83. maguiresbridge goner

    Nov 27, 2014, 19:03 #62176

    Ron, maybe they're swapping chewing gum.

  84. Ron

    Nov 27, 2014, 18:39 #62175

    C.G.O - ha ha, You've got it mate. Lots to learn. Bouldy is after all learning to be an illusionist, learning his trade from from the Master of all illusionists after all. Take you 5 years minimum. Its that hand over the mouth while looking erudite and all knowing mate thats the secret. The voice of the 'Emirates experience' inner Coaching sanctum is keeping all the avid watchers guessing as to the wisdom uttered by Bould as he conceals his pearls of wisdom conveyed to his Master Wenger Mao!

  85. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 27, 2014, 18:29 #62174

    Tony Evans, mate they can't see the bigger picture (but gladly that's changing) because they think wenger IS Arsenal and support him more, and they continue to think and do this and just can't see the difference no matter what's happening/happens, especially on the pitch.

  86. Charlie George Orwell

    Nov 27, 2014, 18:28 #62173

    Ron: I've got to do WHAT extra to be like Bouldy? Blimey, I better start to up my game a bit. I'll try to do all that while keeping me head down and never rocking the boat - and staying firmly focused on pay days.

  87. Alsace

    Nov 27, 2014, 18:10 #62172

    Sanogo doesn't, I'm afraid, inspire confidence that he can greatly improve. I am reminded of Eddie McGoldrick, although to be fair to the most recent Wengerian misjudgement, Sanogo could never be as awful as Eddie was. A fairly useful manager could make great strides very quickly with this squad. You know, remove the managerial edict to have at least 11 players in the other side's penalty area at all times - that sort of thing. Wenger Wenger Wenger - Out Out Out. Wonderful goal from Sanchez. Chamberlain is magnificent.

  88. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 27, 2014, 17:37 #62171

    Ron, don't forget the more recent one both of them seem to have mastered, that when they realise the cameras on them they make it look like their giving instructions, only as soon as they open they're mouths they stop dead, having realised they can think of nothing.

  89. Hiccup

    Nov 27, 2014, 17:34 #62170

    Jamie comes across as a nice cuddly ewok, which is why he is many peoples favourite AKB. Wenger still has the ability to play his Jedi mind tricks on him and his like. Remember a draw against Leicester was a great result. Some really are beyond help.

  90. Bad

    Nov 27, 2014, 17:09 #62169

    I love the idea of Jamie the enforcer but does it stand comparison with the wob stormtrooper. i think on balance not. An enforcer is more like mad Frankie Fraser but a stormtrooper, oh yes visions of indestructibility. Its a not even a contest. Meanwhile where were we. I suspect all calm and on track at HQ. Money banked for qualification only 4th place to go and bingo another successful season. Are you still sensing change Ron? not sure myself. I think there would have to be a massive collapse for that happen. The other alternative but realistic scenario is that we run out of players. We lost 3 this week as I read dear old Jack is out for another lengthy spell. Up and coming not to miss event,the wob stormtroopers will meet Jamie's enforcers in hand to hand combat at the Finsbury tavern next week. The loser has to endure a weekend with Baddie listening to his sermons. All proceeds to the Arsene retirement fund currently running at £50+. Those with zimmer frames will not be allowed to take part.

  91. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 27, 2014, 16:53 #62168

    Hiccup, it has erected one or two alright (pun intended) but not some of the more seasoned wengerites, maybe like a lot of us they realise another calamity is just around the corner

  92. Unchives

    Nov 27, 2014, 16:53 #62167

    @ Rocky RIP - Spot on with the performance, that isn't the point, why does it take this imbecile of a manager, bad results before he takes action and corrects the faults, only for them to keep on recurring. Do you still not get It?Should we base our views on a match by match basis or on the last 8 seasons?

  93. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Nov 27, 2014, 16:27 #62166

    I am not Wenger's biggest fan and the shortcomings have been obvious for years and drive us all crazy but FFS can we at least enjoy a good win? Sanogo did what he is supposed to do, score. The defence did what they're supposed to do, defend. The game from my viewpoint was a pretty evenly matched contest with the difference being we took the chances and they didn't. What does it take to make you smile nowadays?

  94. Ron

    Nov 27, 2014, 16:24 #62165

    Hi Rocky - wins do matter in context of winning any single match of course. In The greater scheme of things though as far as Arsenals objectives and aims apply a win such as this is a hollow one as we all know its a win in a tournament that Arsenal almost certainly cant win.Its like the PL games . Wins are great in so far as each winning game goes but its a tournament that Arsenal probably wont win and in reality one that they're not bothered about even trying to win. The flavour of any win for this Club now is compromised and compromise creates boredom and indifference.To be honest, losing games and ending up 10th while winning FAC or CC games would be more rewarding from my mere fans perspective. While the Club stays as it does, not getting relegated is the main objective for me. I cdt give a hoot for the Clubs and Wengers precious 4th. Why should i? It gets us into a tourny in which we make up the numbers and eventually get hammered in.Every year! Terry Neiils teams could win a league to save its life but we sure could go some in the Cups. Far more fun and motivation for the fans than this staid and humdrum existence we live through now.Id go so far as to say that if we were ever involved in a relegation dogfight, the fans would be more animated and certainly value winning a lot more.The Club has made fans like this and need the blame. The fans are just being honest and realistic unlike the Club. PS Im not on the Klopp bandwagon by the way mate. I cant see what hes done to merit a job at Arsenal. We need a top claibre and proven Coach in my view, not a populist pretender.

  95. Rocky RIP

    Nov 27, 2014, 16:20 #62164

    @ Maguiresbridge - credit where it's due for a good performance last night. Is that too much to ask for?

  96. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 27, 2014, 16:14 #62163

    N4, credit where it's due? for what? lets wait till we win it first.

  97. Rocky RIP

    Nov 27, 2014, 16:06 #62162

    So when we win apparently it doesn't matter; if we'd have lost you can be sure as hell it would have mattered. It would have been proof to many that Klopp is the man. Credit where it's due, and I know it pains some our our fans to say it - we played well and were well organised against a top side for a change.

  98. Unchives

    Nov 27, 2014, 16:05 #62161

    @ Gaz - The fact is we don't want Arsenal to lose as we have the potential to be a great team....we want Wenger to lose, he is holding us back. I could accept him being here if we were ****e, but some big decisions, change of tactics, rid of the remaining deadwood followed by three key signings and the world is our oyster.

  99. Tony Evans

    Nov 27, 2014, 15:57 #62160

    Gaz - you have summed the situation up perfectly. As you say it is a totally unique, almost surreal experience we are going through, driven by desperation and the overwhelming desire to see our club effectively competing again which we know is never going to happen under AW. It reached the anything goes to get him out stage for me a long while ago and whilst I can understand where the likes of Spaced are coming from I do wonder why they can't see the bigger picture.

  100. Gaz

    Nov 27, 2014, 15:36 #62159

    @Spaced: Tony Evans has already aluded to this but the want for Arsenal to lose games isn't any kind of 'knee-jerk' reaction. Indeed far from it we've gone through year after year after year of criticising Wenger but hoping he turns it around but all to no avail. However horrified you are of this kind of reaction from our point of view we feel we've nowhere else to go if we want Wenger to leave. After all we know Kroenke will never sack him unless results deteriorate to the point where he has either no choice or Wenger himself decides to leave. At no other Club would this situation have come to this. It's absolutely unique and will never ever happen again. As some of us said yesterday we take absolutely no joy or satisfaction in feeling like this. We're all absolutely passionate about the Club and the fact it's come to this leaves us all with a very heavy heart. But unique situations call for unique measures and sadly thats what you're now seeing in some quaters. And don't think we're alone in this as I've seen and know of many fans who for the reasns stated above and in some other cases simple boredam have come to the same sad conclusion...

  101. Ron

    Nov 27, 2014, 15:32 #62158

    Roy - very true mate. I cant imagine any AW pep talk ever animated any player very much in the GG, Shanklyesque, Cloughie or maybe Mourinho style. Such 'feel' or sense of belonging players (or the Coaches) once had with Clubs isnt there now and hasnt been for years. It makes a massive difference. Theres still a basic will to win and to achieve im sure, but the desire to go the extra yard is conditional now on the effort it takes,whether the player is playing for a big move or the money or a combo of all of these elements. I sense it these days particularly on NLD days. Theres not a hint of passion or meaning to these games any different to any other game. Years gone by as you know, as fans we could taste the spite and urgency as soon as you entered the stadium from fans and players alike. Its all almost scripted and routine these days. Cold and clinical. Great shame. Not near worth the entry charge in my opinion. Each to their own though mate. An average PL football match in my view is worth £15.00 tops. I do on occasion pay the 40 to 50 quid for the odd away game and theyre never worth it. As for the early KO s im sure the players interest in them is less than mine is. Absolutely awful.Those games are even more half baked than the others.

  102. stans little helper

    Nov 27, 2014, 15:29 #62157

    JAMIE THE ENPORKER,last night sat next to bloke who said the raws will only win over his dead body.Said sorry mate no idea whats a raw answer ranters against wenger please put them in your next rant

  103. Fozzy

    Nov 27, 2014, 15:21 #62156

    Klopp says he is a big fan of Wenger. This was demonstrated by the fact that he has got his own team playing like The Arse. They passed the ball around a lot in their own half, slowly made their way to the edge of our area and then lost the ball. Every time we took a corner I could forsee danger but it never materialised and somehow we kept a clean sheet. From where I sat at the back of 103, the atmosphere was awful with loads of empty seats all around.

  104. jjetplane

    Nov 27, 2014, 15:15 #62155

    So the Germans enjoyed a kick around in the park because they like being in the community because football comes first. They let Arsenal off the hook last night because they have bigger priorities. Klopp still is the better man and Wenger is still useless because the only change was the BFG (WC reject) did not play on the wing but did the skinny tree act in the back four. One thing of interest is Sanchez is still going strong and the Ox at 21 may well be become another Sanchez. This is assuming Wenger goes sooner than later so such players can play and enjoy themselves more with a coach who is up to speed. JW out for 3 months and Arteta will be shopping with Ozil (remember him?) for a couple of months. HICCUP is good to see a couple of AKBs surfacing but it does illustrate a threadbare following. I imagine the ones who can write more than a sentence will be waiting for two more wins at least and then toes in the water before we get a flurry of numbers and a seasonal 'comic sketch' with a dressing of cod philosophy so Peter Pan can show it to his teacher and lee can just weep with admiration. TONY EVANS totally on the ball there mate - the interest will return when THAT has left.

  105. reg new

    Nov 27, 2014, 15:10 #62154

    Re Jamie the enforcer,loved your rant about complaining fan at palace game when you said porkie shut up,also your rages at old people and wobs and morons keep it up

  106. DW Thomas

    Nov 27, 2014, 15:08 #62153

    Symptomatic of the main issues I have with Arsenal were these two things. Sanogo scored, but looked like Bambi on ice all night. How does a player at that level looked so unskilled? There was a moment he was sent through on the keeper but didn't get there quick enough then cut the ball back,inside to beat one defender, oblivious to the other that was right there. He then flopped and bungled a shot with his left foot wide. We never have an Aguero or Drogba type that finishes those types of chances. Second Ramsey and Cazorla seemed a shadow of themselves. Without Sanchez, a world beater, we would be very very average at best. I actually thought our defense played well for once. I felt more comfortable with Martinez in goal than Szcz. With now Wilshere and Arteta out, we are looking dumb and dumber not taking Cesc back. He could have been our prodigal son. I enjoy a win still,the game I thought was electric the first 20 minutes, both teams hustling. But Dortmund were the worst I have seen them, maybe ever. If we'd lost, and the manager knew it, he would have been heavily criticized. There was a little pressure, but when it's there versus better, bigger teams in bigger games, we falter. That's the main change that needs to happen. Plenty of tests to come and if our manager's betting on this team succeeds, we could get 4th. Oh yea! How fun! The same old groundhog season ambition.

  107. Roy

    Nov 27, 2014, 15:00 #62152

    Ron, great comments mate and thanks for the compliment. I guess its a question of priorities isn't it ? I drew on 90/91 in my comment. I don't know if you saw it, but in the video review of that season GG has the players at the training ground just after the 2 points were deducted because of OT and were coming in for some fearful stick from all sides. Although I can't remember it exactly, he said something to them like " remember you are professional footballers, you all have responsibilities not only to yourselves the club and the fans, but also your families. Don't worry about the media, I'll front them up, that's my job, yours is to remain professional at all times and keep doing what your doing". As he continued to speak the camera panned around the players ( one of the being Steve Bould, I believe ! ) and settled on a young Lee Dixon listening intently. I swear you could his chest start to puff out and a group who had arrived for training feeling deflated and unjustly treated reminded that they can overcome adversity and what it means to wear the shirt. Similarly, I remember Paul Merson saying about Anfield 89, that by the time they ran out onto the pitch, GG's methods throughout the day had them all feeling "10 feet tall". Times certainly have moved on in football but these basic principles should remain the same. I just don't see the same fight and pride in this current set - up. I'll never stop wanting us to win, but like you I'm happy to not give them my money anymore.

  108. jeff wright

    Nov 27, 2014, 14:55 #62151

    I agree with you ATID Dortmund did create enough chances to have luckily nicked a draw,they were just fractions out on getting on the end of numerous diagonal passes that zipped with too much pace over the wet surface of the pitch. They came to play for a draw not needing to win and the early goal appeared to throw them .Credit though to our crew for taking advantage of that bit of good fortune and for once keeping their shape in midfield and at the back . I am not convinced though that any corners have been turned, nor will I be until I see Wenger winning games that count against top opponents . The injury situation still goes on and on under Wenger's regime as well and this is another problem with seeing him ever winning a league title or his holy grail .Too many negatives involved with old Arsene . He can't of course be ruled out of winning his 4th place trophy again by accumulating enough brownie points off low class oppo and with the odd win like last night's one being used to dress up mutton like lamb.

  109. Unchives

    Nov 27, 2014, 14:26 #62150

    Dont forget, we went three months, topping the table last season and still got nowhere. Even a three or four goal lead doesn't guarantee us a win, or even 80% possession.I wonder if we can get a manager in to rectify this?

  110. Ron

    Nov 27, 2014, 14:23 #62149

    Wheres Wally ... He certainly is a lazy git. Ray Parlours comments sum him up ' Hes doing what he did with us'. Those of us who've said for 5 years at least that Wenger doesn't get football nowadays and how its changed, now have an ex player reinforcing that opinion. Not that it wasn't bloody obvious even to people whove not worked half a day in football! Is there any other profession where you can get 8 Mill p.a and use methods at least 12 years old? Ray, you ll be in trouble for not speaking to him directly, you have no right to question him in the press you know! CHARLIE G ORWELL - Ah. You realise that youve only passed the Bould foundation course mate. Until you can mutter platitudes to OGL while covering your mouth and then within a split second throw your head in to your hands as you pretend to be horrified at what your seeing, you ll never graduate to be a Bould impressionist. Has the man ever yet stood up and ventured in to the technical area? Im sure hes had his arse welded to his seat.

  111. Ron

    Nov 27, 2014, 14:11 #62148

    On new potential coaches - Martinez comments in the light of Barclay's new swallow diving role at the Club perfected v Hammers. Barclay went down against West Ham 'to avoid a tackle that never arrived'!! Step aside Klopp or whoever, Arsenes successor is ready and waiting in the NW. An ability to flannel like that makes him a stick on. Did Wenger train him? Dont you just detest these Coaches and footballers at times? Im so glad i dont put money into it these days.Load of boll--cks but a comment well in keeping with todays poncy powder puff game.

  112. Tony Evans

    Nov 27, 2014, 14:00 #62147

    Spaced - I don't want Wenger to be able to honour his contract, as all that will achieve is Arsenal treading water for yet another 3 years. I want him sacked and the sooner the better, and that means not minding if Arsenal lose. It doesn't sit easy with me but I want better for my club, which is not going to happen under Wenger; and losing matches is the only sure-fire way of getting the bugger out. I would give a new manager all the time needed as long as I could understand what they were trying to achieve with the squad, which is something I have long since given up on under this old fraud.

  113. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Nov 27, 2014, 13:37 #62146

    Wenger appears to be one lazy manager. He doesn't address what is obvious to the whole country for game after game but when it comes to the crunch and the pressure on him becomes too much he actually seems to get on the training pitch and works on what's required. Why doesn't he do that without the fans having to push him into it? What ever people think of him he as a coach he seems to be one strange guy.

  114. ATID

    Nov 27, 2014, 13:35 #62145

    Yes, a good win but let's not get carried away. BD created enough chances to get at least a draw and at times ran through our midfield like it wasn't there. Arteta seems to be a proper professional and a nice guy but both he and Cazorla just don't seem to have the physicality required to compete with the very best teams. Playing Southampton and Stoke in the same week will be quite a test. Surely we will get more than two points from those games?

  115. Spaced

    Nov 27, 2014, 13:32 #62144

    Previous comments - "the result papers over the cracks" - "The result means nothing" - "I could hardly believe how disinterested I was last night" - - You guys really know how to enjoy a win! This one took the biscuit... "For any AKBs who want to boast about this..." Which team do you support!? . . . Personally, I want Arsenal to win games, regardless of who is in charge. I realise your argument is you want Arsenal to lose so that Wenger goes sooner. But come on, get real, he has a contract which you know he will honour, and then when he is replaced will you still want Arsenal to lose if you don't like the new guy? Ultimately, what is the point of supporting a football club if you can't enjoy them winning?

  116. Charlie George Orwell

    Nov 27, 2014, 13:07 #62143

    Good result against an albeit poor opponent. Spent any opportunity again to study Steve Bould. I've been practising sitting down while simultaneously being able to chew gum and nod at every word from the Gaffer. I'm not bad at it now. Guess we're both just gifted for multi-tasking.

  117. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 27, 2014, 13:01 #62142

    Gaz, your right there, it will take more than one win (that some are creaming their pants about)against a below par Dortmund side to qualify for a Comp a record time, (that some are creaming their pants about)is there a trophy for that? that hasn't done us much good in the past and won't this time before a lot of fans change their mind about the old fraud. It would take winning it along with the prem a couple of times to make up for the last nine ten years and all that went with them before a lot would even think of changing their opinions, and we all know the chances of either those two happening so I doubt he'll be turning many.

  118. Ron

    Nov 27, 2014, 12:34 #62141

    Roy 65511 - seconded. Bang on the button mate.

  119. AMG

    Nov 27, 2014, 12:33 #62140

    Charles, spot on! There was a point in the match yesterday when Alexis won a free kick on the edge of the box by wrestling the ball of 2 players, then beating 4 through skill, balance and strength - Then Cazorla pulled rank on the free kick. How? Who's letting Cazorla take all the set pieces, he's terrible! Simply terrible! On one free kick yesterday Caz didn't even reach the box! If Alexis played for Dortmund, would we have won last night? Interesting one to ponder.

  120. Unchives

    Nov 27, 2014, 12:28 #62139

    We only needed a point from 6, hardly pressure. Lets see how we move on from here. A very strong run is needed and some luck in both cup draws. As for the injury cover, well that remains the sole responsibility of Mr Wenger.@ Jamie - Which professional footballers, pundits, Journalists that KNOW JACK about football have "Bullied Wenger" He was an average player himself that inherited the best defence in history, after 2004 it was all Wenger, one FA CUP (2005) win booked marked another FA CUP WIN (2014). Were you the one at the lane a few days ago with a box of matches in the name of Arsene.....sorry Arson.

  121. Hiccup

    Nov 27, 2014, 12:24 #62138

    The main upside to last night's win is that it has resurrected the AKB movement. Their drivel and comedy has been missed on this site, and does add to some welcome relief from the wenger out posts. I love the way they have slaughtered City as being crap this year. United have took a pummelling for being hopeless, and good old spurs have been sh!t too we're told. They're all that bad mind you, that the mighty squad wenger has assembled can't beat any of these, and at home too. So what welcome relief it must be that we finally beat a team like Dortmund, that have also been slagged off. As Klopp said pre match, it was a holiday game for the already qualified Germans, which was quite visible. But roll on Saturday, because another win and who knows, there might be enough AKB's returning to warrant letting a bedsit between them. But West Brom is a tough proposition. If we can beat a team lying in 13th place, then that will be a PB for wenger. That will be quite remarkable and well worth getting the bunting out for more wild parties of celebration. Who knows, we could build on a good result and look to really pulling off an achievement of beating a team in the top 10. If we do that, there'll be scrambled eggs everywhere as more AKB's crawl back.

  122. Roy

    Nov 27, 2014, 12:24 #62137

    Fair comment once again, Kev. You and I both know that we will draw one of the four sides mentioned and it will be two legs that will be scrutinised like never before considering the current unrest and frustration in the fanbase. Some water to pass under the bridge and the transfer window before then, but there's some prerequisites that most of us will be looking for. Whichever personnel take the field for those two games, they and Wenger have a massive responsibility to themselves , the club and the fans. The basic requirement will be a disciplined and pragmatic approach with thorough tactical preparation. The level at which we currently find ourselves means that heroic failure will be partly acceptable in some quarters ( sad but true, and whether that should be the case is entirely another debate ). If, on the other hand we are rolled over too easily, showing tactical indiscipline, poor in-game management and a disregard for the oppositions strengths/weaknesses, then all parties involve will fully deserve the criticism that comes their way. When there's no hiding place, you really find out who's up to the task. We shall see.

  123. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 27, 2014, 12:22 #62136

    As they say in my part of the world if he fell in a duckle he'd come up smelling of roses (for those that don't know what a duckle is have a guess) anyway that silly coat would probably protect him (maybe that's why he wears them)a good win for us and the team last night with some good displays (sanchez again) against a Dortmund side who I suspect would have had a lot more to say if they'd have needed the win with the postman making his first delivery,( I suppose he's our new saviour now? and OGL's a genius it will make a change from diaby) although like you say did nothing else so i wonder will we see any more deliveries before Christmas. Yes one swallow doesn't make a summer but to listen to some you'd think it does but others know better.

  124. Charles

    Nov 27, 2014, 12:19 #62135

    Cazorla is the worst corner-taker i have ever seen in my life. For two and a half years we have been watching his pathetic crappy chippy efforts lead to zero scoring opportunities and still he's taking the bloody things. It needs to be sorted out so we might win a few games.

  125. Ken

    Nov 27, 2014, 12:18 #62134

    The Apprentice was good, that mouthy northern bloke got kicked out.

  126. Exeter Gunner

    Nov 27, 2014, 12:16 #62133

    JAMIE - the reason Wenger has been in the job so long is in the first half of his reign he was a very successful football manager, and in the second half of his reign he has been a very successful business manager. Criticism of certain players and selections is proven correct time and time again, however the Wenger way does continue to win just enough games to get 4th. This season it looks like you may not even need to win half your games to finish 4th, so Wenger can even afford to 'fail' by that basic standard and still 'succeed'. Even if we were to finish outside top 4 he could just sell a couple of star names and ensure the profit gap is made up that way, thus keeping his job. That's all Kroenke cares about. All Sir 'when he doesn't have a plan we keep quiet' Chips and the board care about is maintaining their privileged position. And the number one priority for fans like you is that Wenger simply remains in charge. So we have a trio of non-footballing interests to ensure he goes on and on and on.

  127. N4

    Nov 27, 2014, 12:15 #62132

    Ok! Credit where it's due. The team played better and defended sometimes as a team in the most important at least...! But with regards to Dortmund I have to say it totally a different team that beat us away! It was nothing near it. As Kev mentioned Sanogo went missing after the goal and I Wonder why didn't AW bring The Pod earlier!!?! I saw The Pod run and he looks in form but I have to say the contrary to Ramsey! He looks out of form...simply!

  128. Tony Evans

    Nov 27, 2014, 12:03 #62131

    For me personally I could hardly believe how disinterested I was last night; in fact I didn't even bother to see what the score was until about 10ish. When I think back to CL nights gone by, if I wasn't at the match and it wasn't on ITV I would be scouring the internet trying to find some obscure website that was showing the match live. Of course that was back in the days when it actually meant something and I had genuine belief we could go on and win the thing. Can't see what last night's result has achieved at all apart from (as Ron said) taking us a step closer to the traditional last 16 hammering and keeping the heat off of Wenger - which I for one wanted turned up to maximum.

  129. D N Key

    Nov 27, 2014, 11:57 #62130

    Squad looking threadbare Kevin? The AFC PR machine was championing in Sept how the wage bill is now higher than that at chavski as if that is some badge of honour. If that is the case then a long hard look needs to be taken at player selection and wage policy as well as all the other areas we know the club has fallen behind the times in addressing.

  130. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Nov 27, 2014, 11:46 #62129

    Whilst it was nice to see the team playing as a team and looking more solid and compact, my gut feeling was the performance was always going to be better as OGL wanted to (1) qualify for the knockout stages and (2) say hey, Klopp can't be all that good can he. The side really does only raise its game when it has to don't it.

  131. WENGER MUST GO ASAP(MARCUS)

    Nov 27, 2014, 11:31 #62128

    The result means nothing. It was basically a dead rubber game . Bob had already qualified and will probably top the group and guess what we will draw Bayern Munich or Real Madrid and get bear as per usual in the second round as Usmanov said!!! This result will get the Wenger lovers all kiddy and happy lol. Wenger in he's arrogant pre match conference said that " he will bet we will have a good season". He was never asked what he meant by a good season, but I'm taking he meant finishing 4th and losing in the first knock out round of the cl??? He has to go for me. Beating a Dortmond team that clearly was not up for it means nothing as we will still finish 2nd in the group even though we were seeded higher than them apparently

  132. JAMIE

    Nov 27, 2014, 11:21 #62127

    The reason why Wenger has stayed where he is for so long is down to his self belief and confidence in his decisions and a refusal to be bullied by people who know jack about the game.Many weaker men would have given in to Jabba and his nodding flock about the abilities of certain players and team selections.That's what Wenger gets paid so handsomely for,not just to listen to the newspaper hacks and the wob gamorrean's.

  133. Mike Collins

    Nov 27, 2014, 10:58 #62126

    I agree with Peter Wain about papering over the cracks, which are more canyons these days. But fair play to Yaya for his fortuitous goal and hats off to the electric Alexis for another masterclass in talented commitment. But, oh fellow Gooners, what has happened to Ramsey this season? What a falling off is there...

  134. Ron

    Nov 27, 2014, 10:56 #62125

    Correct in all that you say Kev, but it was a result that carries no significance really to fans, although the bean counters will be pleased. Another step towards the annual mullering by a decent CL side that all.

  135. Peter Wain

    Nov 27, 2014, 10:50 #62123

    the result papers over the cracks and allows Wenger to claim we only need sign one player. The necessity for at least one defensive mid field player (6ft plus a must) and a decent centre half is ever more apparent as is the realisation that this is most unlikely.

  136. TJ

    Nov 27, 2014, 10:46 #62122

    Well this wasn't an exception to the season so far in truth. The first goal was offside and Dortmund didn't really look motivated having qualified already. They are also showing relegation form so far, so that we lost to them at all this year and will only finish second is testament to what a disappointing season this is. For any AKBs who want to boast about this or any other individual results, to try and attach some context. Wenger's critics are fed up of him just going for 4th place and a run in the Champions League. Will this be the start of a great run in the competition and will we see a title bid renewed? Will we retain the FA Cup? Will we even buy the right players in January to fill the holes in the squad? Almost certainly not.

  137. Gaz

    Nov 27, 2014, 10:40 #62121

    Can't complain about the result or performance last night as both were very good and it serves as a timely reminder of what this side is capable of. Of course the way I'm feeling right now has been no knee-jerk reaction rather a slow and painful process taking well over 6/7 years. Point being that it'll take a lot more than one, two, three or even four good results for me to change opinion or even remotely admit I may have been wrong. Lets see where we end the season and what we ultimately win. That can be the only deciding factor on whether entrenched opinions change so lets wait until then before cracking open any champagne...