Game management

Some questions for Arsenal fans after the European exit in Monaco



Game management


This article is not intended to be a debate on what internal factors led to us losing to Monaco, but how to game manage the first leg at home in two legged European matches.

How do you manage the game when going behind in the first leg at home, and is the perceived strength of the opposition a deciding factor?

When Monaco scored their third goal in the dying moments of the home leg it left Arsenal with a mountain to climb in the return fixture. The goal came when Monaco broke away with most of the Arsenal team caught upfield pressing for an equaliser. Many observers criticised the team for their gung ho approach to scoring an equaliser, and with the benefit of hindsight they all suggested that it would have been more professional to have accepted a 1-2 score line and attempt to make up the deficit in the away leg. No doubt those same people would have waxed lyrical if we had managed to win the tie.

But what of the fans? Is anyone seriously suggesting that having just scored and with the momentum a goal brings, we would have been happy to see the team retreat and play out the final minutes happy to lose. As I recall most of us were urging the team forward in the hope of an equaliser. Did the fact we were playing a team many thought we should have beaten add to the desire to equalise, and would we have done the same thing against Barcelona or Madrid?

Arsenal going behind in home European game is hardly new occurrence, but every year we seem to compound the problem by conceding further goals when chasing the game. Is it time to adopt a new strategy and shut up shop if we go 0-1 down? Is the risk of conceding a second away goal greater than the benefit of scoring an equaliser?

For me the problem lies in the perception of playing at home in the first leg. Many people regard this as a disadvantage, and as a result believe it is essential to win the game or face almost certain elimination. Because of the unique nature of the away goal rule if we fail to win, a 0-0 draw is far more favourable than a 1-1 or 2-2 etc. With this in mind does a clean sheet becomes almost as essential as a win, and should we go against type and play a defensive game at home rather than risk an away goal?

As with everything in life timing is crucial. If we go behind early on in the game, there is still plenty of time left to change the outcome, and continuing to play a normal game would be what most people expect. The problem occurs when we approach the end of the game still behind, and a certain amount of urgency enters our play. Although this is what the fans want to see, and the actions of the players seem to agree, it does leave us vulnerable to a counter attack and the dreaded second away goal. What seems to be forgotten is that this is a two legged contest, and going to the second leg one goal behind is infinitely preferable to being two behind. Maybe a more conservative approach would be a better tactic towards the end of the game.

If it were a straight knockout game, as the second leg is, then going all out to equalise as the end of the game approaches is a given. But the final whistle of the first leg is only half time in the tie, and not many teams would send the keeper up for a corner after 45 mins of any game. Granted that in this analogy the second half is a week away at a different venue, but you get the point.

One of football's great cliches is that you can't win the tie in the first leg, but you can lose it. Although this may appear to be a contradiction in terms, it depends which side of the first leg score you are on to understand how if affects you. In Arsenal's case we have usually resigned ourselves to elimination after the home leg. Our opposition on the other hand rightly consider the job only half done, and approach the game accordingly. In short we think we have lost, and they don't think they have won. Because of this the second leg can be a very strange affair, with the home team seemingly playing not to lose, or concede a goal, rather than win the game. In recent years we have had some very credible away second legs when seemingly out of the competition.

It is too simplistic to say that we are constantly eliminated because we lose the first leg at home. What generally kills us is the two goal deficit. A 1-0 home defeat is recoverable, especially against opposition like Monaco, but as witnessed on Tuesday night the burden of having to score three to stay in the competition changes the dynamic of the match. Monaco went against type at home and defended deep for most of the game. They backed themselves not to let in three goals, and effectively decided that a 2-0 home defeat would be acceptable on the night. Would they have played this way if the deficit was only one goal, or they needed to win?

To my mind our inability to effectively manage big games is our Achilles heel. Whether you love him or loathe him Mourinho is an example of a master tactician who generally gets it right. The down side is negative, ruthlessly efficient football. The kind of football that gave rise to the 1-0 to the Arsenal song not so long ago. Arsenal are now known for exciting, free flowing football, and personally I would not want to see a return to the 1-0 to the Arsenal days on a permanent basis. Having said that I do feel that sometimes cutting your losses, accepting a close defeat and waiting for another opportunity may be the right thing to do.

So, in future if faced with the same situation in a home first leg would you want the team to go all out for the equaliser, or accept the defeat and try to win the tie in the second leg?

Do you think that the quality of opposition is the deciding factor in the decision? For example beating Monaco away should be easier than beating Barcelona, so against Barcelona we may as well try to equalise and risk them scoring again.

If it meant an improved chance of qualification, would anyone want to play the Mourinho way?

Lots of questions, all of which can be answered in many different ways. Let me know what you think.


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  1. Badarse

    Mar 22, 2015, 12:49 #69067

    Totally agree Ron. That ship has sailed, and without iconic examples it is no wonder that the young are rudderless. Too many seafaring expressions there, our radfordkennedy will be jumping ship soon!

  2. jjetplane

    Mar 22, 2015, 12:44 #69066

    Hope you are gonna ask Jamerson of Barnsbury to read that, have a cup a tea, go for a bag of smails, come back, and read it again. That was the most embarrassing yet. Ever been to Bigmarket laddie? ha ha! Ron is right - if the writing is not working when you are 'at school' again! I would crawl back to your last employer and say 'I can still skin a good chicken' ....

  3. Ron

    Mar 22, 2015, 12:07 #69063

    Baddie - for all the reasons you say, it seems football doesnt lend itself to create McLintock or Mackay or Peter Reid types that all Clubs need and used to all have at one time now does it. The players never expect to be at Clubs for long enough anyway. Theyre all transient and flaky just chasing the ££ s. Im not sure society even creates such types now so its deeper than football as, ever thus. A Clubs shirt is just a shirt now, worn for the time being till a better offer and different colour shirt comes by and easily discarded. Its why fans today give no quarter to players and certainly afford them no loyalty. The fan/player 'relationship' was always imaginary wasn't it but its non existent now.

  4. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 22, 2015, 11:51 #69062

    Ron it's back to speed reading again.

  5. Badarse

    Mar 22, 2015, 11:36 #69059

    Ron I agree that away games finds out more about a team's make up and mentality-always easy to talk a good game and 'boss' things at home. Thing is I also have sensed a fragility for a long time, as I believe most have. It's why I put such emphasis on an 'on field leader'. The description of the modern day footballer's attitude is pertinent too. The direction that the game has taken, the money, rock star status, and unlicensed freedom of players to ignore contracts and tout their availability all develops a certain type of integrity and thus footballer. Not to my liking, but it is as it is. Craving a local 'hero' can lead to an equally ugly scenario though, with cult status bestowed on people like Gerrard. A real conundrum, and so difficult to find that elusive character. Still with the considered opinion shared regarding away games, we have certainly dug deep and found gold recently in a concentrated period of away matches.

  6. Ron

    Mar 22, 2015, 10:44 #69053

    Diarra wd have done well Baddie had his own atrocious modern day footballer attitude not got in the way. Hes done nothing since he forced his childish way out of Arsenal has he. We ve missed a few down the years. Alonso, Scott Parker even, Barry, when at his best at Villa was often on our radar. Essien was gettable before Chelsea got him and he wanted to join us but we wouldnt pay more than 12 Million quid. Wenger doesnt believe such players merit a place in his teams. Not 'free flowing' enough. He actually stops his best free flowing players from being well ....free flowing, for the lack of these types. He d sooner ask players like Cazorla and Ozil to do destroyer type jobs and they cant because their not of the temperament and lack the physical and mental make up. Its unfair on them and then they get all the stick for not doing it. Its away games that show them up.Away games always show the true make up of a team though i reckon. We are a very brittle team mentally no matter what Wenger says. We re getting lucky very often in away games right now. The Toon had a case to say they deserved a draw yesterday, but sod them. That ll teach em for making away fans sit 3 miles above the earths atmosphere and not supplying telscopes!!The 2nd half yesterday was down to the usual arrogance in my view. The 1st half was like feet up and cigars on and it never occurred to Wenger that they might give it a go 2nd half. When they did, we cdt hardly cope and hadnt a clue how to handle it. As you know thats where your destroyers come in and put a foot on the ball and dare i say it, leave the odd foot in here and there. It would soon have put the Toon back in their box as theyre pretty rubbish really. 3 pts though as you say and its a long drive back.

  7. Badarse

    Mar 22, 2015, 10:18 #69051

    Got sacked for licking the lollipop Ron, you know how tempting that can be-doing a 'Fred Scuttle' for the young mothers every morning didn't help. The slowing down and breaking up of a game isn't in our armoury unfortunately. Mascherano type is the right call, years back I thought Lassana Diarra would perhaps be that shield. I do think fatigue played an enormous part in what ensued, though I know that will fall on deaf ears with yourself. Still, football's a funny old game 'Saint', how did we fall away so badly if the Monaco exertions didn't count for much, and at the other end of the see-saw, how did Newcastle improve so much? Three gratefully accepted points all the same. Thank you Kevin.

  8. Ron

    Mar 22, 2015, 9:49 #69047

    A good day out in the Toon yesterday. First time for me since Paddy V nicked a winner for us way back in 04. Thats my usual diet of half dozen cheap ticket away days done for another season and good days they've been too! Less said the better about our driver's efforts to park near St James 's though!Its never easy to win there but the Toon China town area as usual makes up for the low level footie in Toon v Arse matches. Our own french preening adonis is becoming Gary Lineker! Well done and big thanks to him. Our defensive 'tactics' of all run back cavalry style and in unison together manically and hope for the best prevailed. 2 new imposing middle men very, very seriously needed to slow a game down and break it up, one being a Mascherano type? Plus a centre half from some where ......anywhere. Gabriel seems oK though perhaps for one maybe. Just as well seeing as Mr Kos carried his own personal panic button with him as ever. BADARSE - You really must get out more 'chum'. 70 odd going on 7 for sure. Try getting a job. A traffic warden or a lollipop man/woman might suit you down to the ground im reckoning.

  9. Hiccup

    Mar 22, 2015, 9:07 #69043

    That's right mg. I always thought GG had gone in to the refs room to give him a bollocking, but on seeing the camera crew knew it would be filmed so thought better of it and cleared off. However, it's since been well documented on here that arsenal managers never have a pop at refs or harass 4th officials, so GG was probably going in there to have a cup of tea and compliment him?

  10. Badarse

    Mar 22, 2015, 8:06 #69042

    With blacked up faces, including their specs, the two intrepid heroes crawled commando-style across the pavement. I say commando-style as their tracky bottoms had been pulled down slightly by the wriggling, revealing their identical 'Up the Arse' tattoos, showing defiantly upon their bare bottoms-which severely traumatised an elderly lady out walking her dog. The interest was an impromptu, 'WOB Emergency Strategy Meeting', held in a corner phone box. The usual suspects were present. To the strains of, 'The WOB on the Tyne is all mine,' they inched closer. Just then the door opened and DWT exited in search of a ledge, he made do with the nearby kerb, and was gratified to find a watery pothole, whereupon he immediately plunged both feet into it-this would clarify his mood. Mag was turned, face squashed up against pane repeating, 'Messiah, disciples, and other religious trivia, along with the word 'old', as in a diatribe of, 'Old fraud, old fool, old man, old socks, 'oldall, 'old yer fire', and ending with, 'Old up', at which point he fell down! E/G had perfected the ability of bringing his lower lip up over his nose, where he snorted in suppressed rage, whilst poking himself in the eye. jj was singing to himself, 'jj was a man who thought he was a loner, but he knew it wouldn't last, yerz, Wittgenstein with boots and braces, fishy chip chappies in the Wok!' Nobody paid him any attention as it had all been done to death before and was very ninth tier stuff. Hiccup and Ron were nose to nose, Ron pontificating on how he loves AV, a club of class(?), their new manager who he has always admired, how good 'the 2nd City' is, the NEC, the Bull Ring, and hopes they win the Cup, as they deserve to(?). Hiccup was going cross-eyed, and had a smile on his face as if he was trying to control a nasty bout of wind. Bard stood imperiously apart-quite difficult in such a confined place, but the smell of garlic aided his preference-as he surveyed the scene and his underlings. In quiet desperation he called for attention-there was already enough tension in the box, but he wanted more. The assembled WOBs continued unabated, so he just spoke and as none listened he regarded that par for the course. 'Our strategy is decry 3rd place as much as 4th just in case it is achieved, vilify Reading and any likely victory, then if achieved denigrate the FA Cup constantly. Meeting adjourned!' With that he opened the door, spread his wings, and flew off into the night. Meanwhile our two erstwhile AKBs had started to laugh at the antics they'd witnessed, it had developed into coughing fits, and a kind young lad had phoned the paramedics. They were carried, coughing, chortling and spluttering into the ambulance-tried to give a 'high five', missed, and fell off the stretchers. The radio was playing, 'It's just another day...'

  11. Janet

    Mar 21, 2015, 22:20 #69040

    If he's not home in the next hour he can Ferk Off.

  12. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 21, 2015, 21:53 #69039

    Hiccup, was that also the game where cameras were permitted in the referees changing room after the game? where it showed him and the linesmen sitting with a nice cup of tea saucer and all, with little fingers up in the air as they sipped away with legs crossed having a great time, (no PC please) when GG knocked the door and walked in and asked in his Glaswegian accent for a word, and took one look at the sight before him and with a mixture of amusement and horror closed the door again pretty sharpish.

  13. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 21, 2015, 21:48 #69038

    Oh dear oh dear...now Bard is a member of the cute bunnies, off down the hole you go.

  14. Bard

    Mar 21, 2015, 21:19 #69037

    Colseygunnerybollix thumb prints at the ready mate, head bowed knees bent, a pray is required. i suggest 'I believe', followed by a hashtag to the weekend love in, where you get the chance to sniff the Boss's training kit and even get to wear his winter coat. French lessons optional but remember to bring knee pads and nose guards. I have heard there's a lot of brown nosing involved.

  15. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 21, 2015, 20:49 #69036

    jj and Muguiresbridge, what teams do you support, please tell me, as it certainly isn't Arsenal FC?

  16. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 21, 2015, 20:35 #69035

    Hiccup, alphabetical order is a great idea especially for us even better than doing away with the away goal rule(i'm surprised OGL and his fans haven't been calling for it, now you've started something) although Aston Villa would be in with a shout too so it wouldn't be a level playing field and there'd still be something to complain about and somebody to blame, but OGL would be happy if it came down to using the second letters, that is until Accrington Stanley got promotion.

  17. jjetplane

    Mar 21, 2015, 20:29 #69034

    You appear to be in a desperate little party of one unless you count Brian as your CHUM. Don't be so unhappy - embrace your Arsene FC with tears of joy. Maybe you as bored of it as the rest only your ticket obligations leave you rooted to your roomy seat. Be like BAdDIE - he would not be seen dead at the WOK.

  18. goonercolesyboy

    Mar 21, 2015, 20:07 #69032

    It's incredible how Muguiresbridge and jj are on here and still can't appreciate a win. We are all laughing at you two clowns.

  19. Gaz

    Mar 21, 2015, 19:59 #69031

    MG-don't forget last seasons FA cup was going to be the springboard to further glory but this time in the bigger competitions and credit where it's due we're well on course to win the very same competition again!!! Absolutely brillia.......hold on, that can't be right surely?...

  20. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 21, 2015, 19:59 #69030

    Badarse, Your 'big brother' was attempting to make out there is no precedence and pattern, rather 'that's just the way it's always been'. Afraid those old habits won't be dying whenever I see BS. And I do see where you're going - Wenger needs a captain - no such captains exist anymore - not Wenger's fault. What a formula. Can be adapted for every single aspect of what goes on at AFC, as well. Can't promise to be on here quite as consistently as your good self but happy to debate such issues whenever I am.

  21. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 21, 2015, 19:56 #69029

    jj, yes it's makes some difference when he's trotting around against his own level, I wonder would would AP McCoy get more out of him against the thorough breds.

  22. Hiccup

    Mar 21, 2015, 19:54 #69028

    mg, securing third or fourth in March is progress. The players can go in to 'on the beach' mode earlier than normal. Bit disappointed that after today's end of season win this place is still full of wobs. Where are the street parties?

  23. Badarse

    Mar 21, 2015, 19:43 #69026

    Absolutely hilarious posts, so, so funny, even your ones jj. Olly, what a cart horse-good, old Boxer! Veggies together julesd...at least we don't have to eat dead chickens! Love that Giroud song!

  24. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 21, 2015, 19:41 #69025

    Hiccup, and what will OGL have to spin about for an exciting end of the season, and what will the AKB's have to look forward to and bounce and whoop about on the last day of the season as we scrape third or fourth yet again.

  25. Hiccup

    Mar 21, 2015, 19:21 #69024

    Back to the rugby. Union this time. Football can learn so much. Love the way the refs are mic'd and camerad up and they tell the players where to get off. Would love to see that in football but not a chance with all the foul mouthed abuse aimed at the refs and the mic's would probably end up covered in spit. They tried this in an arsenal game with David ellery years ago. I recall the ref taking all sorts of abuse, but when Adams called him a cheat that hit a nerve. Never mind the away goals rule. England lose on points difference today. That rule needs changing too. I think it should be decided on alphabetical order, which means England win. I hope to see the England coach come out with this idea over the next couple of days.

  26. Hiccup

    Mar 21, 2015, 19:07 #69023

    Biggest game of the season tomorrow. Fifth versus fourth. Absolutely massive. It just don't get any bigger. Sky must be praying that United don't win as there will be a top 4 breakaway, and what will they be able to plug for the remainder of the season if all is done and dusted. They'll have to concentrate on who will stay up. Burnley? Leicester? Hull? Great excitement there for the subscribers.

  27. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 21, 2015, 18:59 #69022

    Bard, be careful your risking the wrath of the PC brigade referring to a lady as darling, but i'm sure you'll not worry too much about them, none of the rest of us do.

  28. jjetplane

    Mar 21, 2015, 18:58 #69021

    Giroud is in carthorse heaven. Has a donkey ever had an easier ride. No wonder Ozil is unwell. Only room for four at the trough. Are Arsene FC greedy enough. We shall see .... It's hilarious seeing suckers like WeSTIE lapping it up.

  29. Bard

    Mar 21, 2015, 18:13 #69019

    Janet darling he is at the workshop working on his marble statue of the Boss. He is a 'sleeper' for the AKBs, feigning dissent but secretly in love with Wengerland. Alls right there at the moment now we have trounced the once might Toon.

  30. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 21, 2015, 17:45 #69018

    I know the magpies aren't any better than Monaco probably worse but does this win count as a Glorious victory?

  31. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 21, 2015, 17:35 #69017

    Janet, he just texted me, he's going to be late he has to pick up the tickle sticks Arsenal left behind at St James park.

  32. Janet wife of jeff wright

    Mar 21, 2015, 17:22 #69016

    Has anybody seen my husband,I've cooked his favourite egg on boat race for tea.

  33. Westlower

    Mar 21, 2015, 17:06 #69015

    Icing on the cake with a 4/1 winning treble, Arsenal, Sours & Southampton. JJ, anything you want to know about football don't be afraid to ask? Win 5 of the remaining 8 games and we're on 75 points, 2 draws from the other 3 and we'll back in ECL with 77 points. Our neighbours may scrape into the Europa Thursday/Sunday dilemma again.

  34. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 21, 2015, 16:35 #69014

    jj, the next article will be along soon, titled, Everything's Rosey in the garden again, or maybe, The Tickled Magpies, Great Speritt and Mental strength, the lists for ideas is endless.

  35. Westlower

    Mar 21, 2015, 15:30 #69013

    Naaah, naaah, naaah,naaah, naaah, GIROUD...............

  36. jjetplane

    Mar 21, 2015, 15:13 #69012

    Ozil is 'unwell' again which is a recurrence methinks and I did suggest the 'boy who likes to shop' looked a tad pasty against the Invinicble (according to the AKBs) Monacoans (sic) as did young Lord Theo not of Barnsbury who I gather is also up for the odd spree costing upwards of ten grand. Bet when Jack goes shopping he spends most of the time huddled in designated smoking areas. Anyway - first legs hey. Arsenal always lose them because they are managed by a twat. Next article. God this is easy. Kane as scored again. So ****ing what you may say. Now it's twice! I like Harry Kane from the Lane! ... Ahh the freedom to think ...

  37. Bard

    Mar 21, 2015, 14:54 #69010

    interesting post Simon and I dont disagree with much of your analysis but there is a fundamental question that needs addressing. It is blindingly obvious that its a two leg game and that you have to be able to go into the second leg with a maximum of a one goal deficit. Is it poor coaching or are the players not doing what they are coached to do that means we run around like demented chickens chasing the equaliser ? Either way its poor. If it was a one off it might be tolerable but Its not. Wenger is paid £8m a year to sort this stuff out and he cant.

  38. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 21, 2015, 13:56 #69009

    Gaz, good post everything cleared up nice and early, the real cause of our problems but still some don't see it.

  39. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 21, 2015, 13:12 #69006

    You can be darn sure they wouldn't have sat back and let themselves be tickled by our little technicians if the circumstances had been different, (that's been very conveniently forgot in some quarters) and there probably wouldn't have been such a pretty picture painted of our latest failure.

  40. Badarse

    Mar 21, 2015, 12:56 #69005

    As it happens E/G I can offer a bridge to your standpoint, though without the needless dig at another's, (old habit's die hard, eh fella?). To me it isn't so much a case of being the manager's 'fault', though others disagree-this too is allowed, without needless barbs, I believe the elephant in the room can damage the furniture, but also tells me it is the absence of a strong figurehead on the pitch. Without this key element training, preparation, and play, takes on a different mantle. It is something I crave, whether it is the sole reason, or in fact bares any relevance at all to the situation is open to discussion, but I believe it is influential. Leadership! A general needs a captain in the field.

  41. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 21, 2015, 12:46 #69004

    Arsenal going behind in any game under OGL isn't a new occurrence, or neither is being embarrassed and humiliated, and that's when questions need to be asked of our fans (not all off course as some have the balls to let their feeling known) instead of one arsene wengers and cheering as if it's alright and they've done nothing wrong or to be ashamed off, let TOF and his second rate Dwarfs know exactly how we feel and keep letting them know it so it doesn't happen again (although some won't as they don't mind an embarrassment or humiliation as long as we play pretty football in the process)and if there would have been more of that over the years from all fans maybe there wouldn't have been as many and more to show for it.

  42. Exeter Gunner

    Mar 21, 2015, 11:30 #69001

    Surely there is a middle way in such situations between accepting the defeat and going gung ho. The team could still try to score but without putting themselves at such enormous risk, giving the equaliser isn't imperative in the first leg. There has become a self-evident pattern under Wenger of how these two legged ties go though, despite the attempts of some to muddy the waters with random examples of AFC losing on away goals in pre-Wenger history.

  43. Westlower

    Mar 21, 2015, 10:59 #69000

    It's hard to disagree with your analysis as to the conundrum of qualifying over a two leg tie. Playing the home leg first was always likely to find us out as we don't have a team that will get the required minimum 0-0 result. Our team strength is attacking the opposition & we need to outscore the other team rather than concede less goals. The open goal misses by Giroud & Welbeck turned out to be fatal. The away goals rule is set up to favour Maureens pragmatic approach but even his negative tactics came back to bite him in the arse against PSG. Wenger teams play expansive football & require an efficient goal scoring strike rate. How many 0-0 games have we witnessed in the AW era? If the Ox hadn't scored his goal we would have been better off losing 0-2 than 1-3. It's hard to condemn the team for flooding forward to get a 2nd goal. How we would have moaned if they hadn't tried to equalize. Of course it's nothing new as AFC have a past history of getting knocked out of competitions when the overall score has finished all square. I remember losing a League Cup semi-final 2-2 to Aston Villa in 1996. It was 2-2 at Highbury & 0-0 at Villa Park. Villa went through to beat Leeds 3-0 in the final.

  44. Hiccup

    Mar 21, 2015, 10:56 #68999

    Think gaz has hit the nail on the head. This happens every year and will continue to do so. To put forward suggestions of how to stop this perennial **** will cause large upset to the wenger disciples as proved on bard's previous post. So as gaz says, sit back, put your hands behind your head and enjoy the ride for what it is. Or we could hope to avoid one of the big guns in the last 16 which has been down to bad luck in the draw. Let's hope Celtic get to the last 16 next year and we draw them?

  45. Gaz

    Mar 21, 2015, 10:42 #68998

    Hi Simon-with all due respect fella when the same thing keeps happening season after season perhaps we need to look at the biggest problem we have rather than looking for reasons as to why it keeps happening. You yourself said 'Arsenal going behind in a home European game is hardly a new occurrence, but every year we seem to compound the problem by conceding further goals when chasing the game'. You're absolutely right, it does happen season after season and I'm afraid that wont change because Wenger wont change. Hate to keep harping on about this but if you really want a change of game plan then you actually want a change of manager. If on the other hand you're happy with Wenger then rather than looking for reasons as to why it keeps happening you might as well just sit back and accept it becaue that man will never ever change...

  46. chris dee

    Mar 21, 2015, 10:38 #68997

    Of course most fans were urging the team forward for an equaliser,that's what fans do. But we would expect experienced,battle hardened,professional management and coaching to have a bit more intelligence by making sure we did not concede a killer third goal after scoring a late goal. But hey what's new?We all have many lasting memories of seven or eight Arsenal players running back after losing the ball near the opponents penalty area and conceding a breakaway goal.It's become part of our D N A in the last ten years.